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You can now get a daily or weekly email digest for anybody's feed on FriendFeed. You'll get a daily or weekly email with the most popular posts from that person's feed. To get the email, click the "Email/IM" link at the top of anyone's feed, and select the "Best of day" or "Best of week" email option.
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You can see all of your email settings at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Bret Taylor
Thanks Bret! :)
- Matt Ruiz
Thanks to Kevin for doing a great design for what turned out to be a more complex set of UI options than we had originally anticipated, and thanks to Tudor for implementing the email backend.
- Bret Taylor
Great! Thanks! Love FF!
- Scott Monaco
I now get the FriendFeed Feedback posts as a Best of Day email so it doesn't fill up my feed, but I don't miss feedback. I also set up a "Best of Day" email for my "Technology people" friend list so I get a pretty good overview of tech news every day via email.
- Bret Taylor
This is a really cool idea Bret, I wish you can make that an RSS feed option as well. I'd be much more likely to read summaries in RSS than in email.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark: http://friendfeed.com/bret...
- Casey Muller
Lovely. Thanks guys.
- Mitchell Tsai
Casey: Thanks for the tip. What's the 7 before the "?" mean in the URL? The number of likes or replies needed to be included?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
this is killer, the random influx of email during the day was kinda getting fail-ish. I love the daily digest.
- Drew Lucas
Very cool! Any way to get archives of previous months? (especially helpful for those of us who leave the internet for weeks at a time...)
- Mitchell Tsai
WOW. that's really helpful！
- K.D.
Looks like a great addition for those who are not embedded on the site. Nice intro.
- Louis Gray
Cool!
- Josh Haley
Ahsan: it is somewhat random right now when the emails are sent, but we built in the backend capability to control what time they are sent, and we plan on exposing that control to users in the future. Right now, it is kind of random - sorry!
- Bret Taylor
Cool! can i get a daily or weekly email digest for the "Saved searches"?
- 0M0M
from email
This will be incredibly useful. Thanks to all involved in the design and execution.
- Kathy Fitch
Nice addition!
- Michael Fidler
But what exactly is "Best"? Is it anything that has a certain number of likes/comments?
- Laura Norvig
@Bret LOL THAT WAS MY PROJECT! I will release it tomorrow. But you've also did it and killed my friendfeed application **sigh** But mine has multi-reporting weekly-daily-monthly at the same time and adjustable entry count!
- Alp
@Bret please consolidate me or I won't code new apps with you api! :-)
- Alp
Alp: we were not trying to withhold data. Later today the documentation will be updated to reflect the ability to obtain "Best of" for users. The feed id will be USERNAME/summary/N (similar to "Best of" for lists)
- Benjamin Golub
Hi Ben, that is pretty funny, I tried that URL earlier today to see if it has been secretly released :)
- Paul Kinlan
Bret: While Twitter struggle to keep their fail whale under control, you guys are developing stuff like this. Amazing - Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
awesome feature, this will be highly useful for my corporate group ideas / content sharing; projects, etc.... THANK YOU :)
- Susan Beebe
Great work. I especially like that it works on lists too.
- Meryn Stol
my inbox might say different, but I like that :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Wow, this is really neat! And it links into the idea I expressed earlier, re: reducing signup friction / enabling limited guest privileges. Imagine if I could embed one of my FF rooms on my personal web site, and enable people to subscribe to that feed by e-mail with just a couple of clicks... rather than saying "you can get e-mail notifications but you have to sign up for Friendfeed first." "sign up" -- though admirably lightweight on FF -- is still a huge barrier.
- Adam Lasnik
is there a love button cause I dont like this option I LOVE this option..great work guys
- (jeff)isageek
Three options I would like (1) Can I select "top 100" instead of "top 30"? (2) Could I select both "best of day" and "best of week"? (3) How about older timeperiods? I'd love to get an e-mail with stuff from last week or Mar 2009? Start & end dates? Anything to help me read FriendFeed off-line would be great since I spend long periods off-line at festivals (especially during summer time) or overseas. - Awesome job guys!
- Mitchell Tsai
So this works on groups too, cool! But we still cannot see Best of for groups on the site on friends lists. :-( I have several friends lists that include just groups and when I select to view the best of the page it's empty (even though if I got to the individual best of for those groups there are entries there).
- Kol Tregaskes
does anyone know of a web service that can do this? (I'm thinking weekly email updates of my favorite feeds/people) I don't think there's anything like friendfeed ..
- Franc, a rememberer
That's a cool feature
- Xitong Liu
Emails no longer get sent except for Subscriptions. The last non-sub email I recieved was July 15th, 2011.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
I still get them.
- AJ Batac
I get these every day.
- Me
i get it
- solncee
I still get it
- AJ Batac
*jealous* I no longer get anything but subscription emails.
- Bruce Lewis
FriendFeed API v2 officially launching - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"Two weeks ago, we launched version 2 of the FriendFeed API in beta. Since then, we've watched how developers have been using the API and collected a lot of their feedback. We've implemented some changes, and now, we're ready to remove the beta label!"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
A two weeks beta in the 2.0 era sounds almost blasphem! Congrats!
- Simone Ruffilli
Congrats to Ben and Gary for all their hard work getting this out the door. And thanks to all the developers who have been sending us great feedback the past couple weeks.
- Bret Taylor
now.we.play /-)
- Nicolas Voisin
Bret - Think we'd all be interested in a longer list as more apps make use of the API. Great stuff
- Charlie Anzman
List of FF tools and services:
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When adding to the list, please include the service name, type (bookmarklet, web app, browser extension, etc) and short description including links to the service website and FriendFeed post/group with more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
ffcheck (bookmarklet): The ffcheck bookmarklet gives you a quick way to find out if there are any existing items on FriendFeed related to the web page you're viewing. See http://ffcheck.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
FFHolic (web app): FFholic is a place for FriendFeed users to find lists of most liked and commented entries, most popular rooms and most popular users. See http://www.ffholic.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedTranslate (user scripts and bookmarklets): Translates title and comments of a friendfeed entry to a chosen language. See http://wittman.org/project... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
feed-buster (feed transformation service): Feed-buster is a service that enables automatic importing of images and other media for RSS/ATOM feeds in FriendFeed. See http://friendfeed.com/feed-bu... and http://code.google.com/p... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
FFWho (web app) - FFWho allows you to see people who commented, liked your feeds and subscribed you but not in your subscription list. See http://ffwho.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
F2P (web app for mobile): f2p is a web-based FriendFeed application for mobile users. See http://dev.ctor.org/f2p/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
FriendFeedLinks (web app): FriendFeedLinks is a memetracker that tracks links shared on FriendFeed. See http://friendfeedlinks.com for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
FriendDeck (web & desktop app): FriendDeck is an aggregator built upon FriendFeed. See http://www.frienddeck.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
ffOldAvatars (web app): ffOldAvatars takes you back and shows previous profile pictures of your FriendFeed account. See http://ffoldavatars.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
FriendFeedSpy (web app): FriendFeedSpy is an aggregator built upon FriendFeed. See http://friendfeedspy.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
whendidyoujoinfriendfeed (web app) - Whendidyoujoinfriendfeed finds approximately when you started posting to FriendFeed. See http://whendidyoujoinfriendfeed.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
FFsummary (e-mail service): FFsummary will e-mail your feed summary consisting of popular posts to you on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. See http://ffsummary.com for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
ffsms (sms service) - ffsms brings you ability of posting to FriendFeed via SMS. See http://ffsms.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
ffScheduler (web app): Schedule your FriendFeed posts and send them automatically when you want. See http://ffscheduler.com/ for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
ffollo: http://www.ffollo.com is a simple service to auto follow users who share similar interest as you on FriendFeed. Ffollo will follow users based on how you use Friendfeed.
- Paul Kinlan
friendfeedCommentAnchor (user script & bookmarklet) - Adds a permalink to each comment. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://wittman.org/project... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedCommentMiniAvatar (user script) - Adds a mini avatar to each FriendFeed comment. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://wittman.org/friendf... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
dnd-bookmarklet (bookmarklet): FF bookmarklet replacement with drag&drop support. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedPoll (user script): Report statistics on a friendfeed thread used as a poll / survey. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://userscripts.org/scripts... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedForceHttps (user script): Redirects a friendfeed page to a secure connection and render all friendfeed links on page as secure protocol (https). See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://userscripts.org/scripts... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedFilterByService (user script): Shows only FriendFeed feed entries based on user chosen service types via either an inclusion (services to show) or exclusion (services to hide) list. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://userscripts.org/scripts... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedExpandAllCommentsLink (user script): Adds a link (next to Tools link) to expand all rolled-up comments for every post on the current FriendFeed page. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://userscripts.org/scripts... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedCommentHoverReveal (user script): On mouse hover, long FF comments are revealed (avoids needing to click the "more..." link). See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://userscripts.org/scripts... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
http://friendboo.com (web): directly post your updates to your stream from your phone where ever you are and when ever you want too.
- AlpB.
Cool 3 of my apps are in this list :) FriendDeck, FriendBoo and FFollo :)
- Paul Kinlan
ffspy (web app): FFSPY allows you to find out who unsubscribed from you by sending you hourly, daily or weekly reports via e-mail. Try it out at http://ffspy.com.
- Ivan Zuzak
fftogo (web app for mobile): FFtogo is a web-based FriendFeed application for mobile users. Try it out at http://www.fftogo.com
- Ivan Zuzak
friendfeedTitleCompactor (user script): Compacts the display of friendfeed entry titles. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and http://userscripts.org/scripts... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
OPMLtoFF (Yahoo Pipe): Combines all feeds in an OPML file into a single feed for easier importing into FriendFeed. See http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for more info.
- Ivan Zuzak
Here is the new one: FFSendImage (http://ffsendimage.com) provides you to send images via their urls ;) #ffsendimage #yay
- Kaan Şengül
It might be better if you separate tools and services with separate posts. The list is awesome but it will get longer and longer.
- @barisunver #beyn.org
ffedit (http://ffedit.com): you can edit your friend lists quickly.
- batuhan
ffstream.com - find new music through friendfeed http://ffstream.com
- Uğur Çelenk
http://translatorize.com aka friendfeedTranslate for FF, Facebook, identi.ca and Twitter.
- Micah
from iPhone
ffPics | browse someone's shared images - http://bmert.net/ffpics/
- Barışnikov
JaFFa (https://github.com/patrick...) provides JAXB Objects and utility services for FriendFeed and downloads public feeds, direct feeds, discussion feeds and attachments.
- ؛ patrick
ffhound (mobile app - http://goo.gl/lqjSI): FFHound is the ultimate FriendFeed client that works as you expect! Features: - Multiple account; - Create favorites list; - Notifications on new DM (with custom scheduling); - Browse all feeds; - Geo tagging on posts; - Realtime updates; - Fast browse; - Live folder for fast access; - Languages: English, Italian;
- ✔ Crino
Added a small program to JaFFa which can delete spam comments. Just add the spammer users to the list and it will get rid of all the comments from those users.
- ؛ patrick
tool for making anonymous posts to the friendfeed: http://ffanony.appspot.com
- ffanony
Could we please have a tooltip on ff.im links within FriendFeed to show the full length URL?
Сюзанна, FALOB, Alex Scrivener and 4 other people liked this
It would be nice to see the links before clicking on them. :-) #betakoltag-sg-gen
- Kol Tregaskes
Bump.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just was talking to http://www.friendfeed.com/garin and we came to the conclusion that if you are going to comment on a friendfeed item you should either be first or last. Why? They always are visible. So, here's your chance! :-)
Roshan Ramachandran, Amit Nangare, Jeff P. Henderson and 58 other people liked this
zaloom!
- Kevin Johnson
If we are really cool we'll get on this list http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Kevin is first, who will be last? I just want to be the penultimate commenter!
- Robert Scoble
first and last words are all that matter on the FF.
- rob friedman
Okay. Everyone stop NOW!
- Kevin Sablan
great. now FF is going to be filled up with those annoying ass people that comment "FIRST!" on everything.
- Enrique Gutierrez
ok
- Shawn Snodgrass
Aw crap, I could sit here all night waiting to be last, so may as well comment now.
- Sharon McPherson
8th!
- rob friedman
Any worthy FF thread will engage interested parties enough to read most of the comments.
- iTad
Do I get bonus points if I end up being the thread killer?
- Kevin Johnson
Kevin you could always delete your 1st comment. :)
- rob friedman
Kevin! Yes, and we're having a great time watching this. It will get old fast, but for now it's really fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hey Enrique.. that would suck. Oh... LAST! Oh Jeff... Last.
- Ted Bradford II
That's why these threads just go on and on and on... people just want to have the last word. ;-P
- Chris Heath
Chris: I don't want the last word. I want the penultimate word. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nope, I like the riffng of the conversation. Jump in anywhere. Enjoy the free flow of ideas and worry not about being seen by the scanners. Those who take the time to expand the thread have such a richer experience.
- michael sean wright
if i wasn't so tired i'd play that out Chris (as my last post was truly in jest). Late here in East TN. Gonna go tip a few cows and call it a day.
- Ted Bradford II
Ted: so was mine ... didn't you catch the winky tongue? (i'm on cape fear so i'm soon to bed as well)
- Chris Heath
Good point, unless you're actually using the RT chat aspect of FriendFeed, I guess...
- Andy Werner
Chris- I did, but needed a segue into a cow tipping joke... cause I've never done so before. I do know this, tomorrow I will use the word 'penultimate' and dazzle family and friends. Hope alls quiet on the Cape bro. These storms have been a biotch. Annnnnnd Jeff just trumped us all. Tell him what he's won Enrique... nite all.
- Ted Bradford II
Second to last is always visible on my screen. :)
- Bwana ☠
Clever way to get the most commented upon comment on FF ever....
- Barak B
Ted, if you haven't dozed off- i'll have you know that the coastal winds tend to keep a lot of the storm systems at bay- if you're close enough to the water - a mile or 5 inland can make a big difference some days - and spot t/storms can be localized around here big time - for instance yesterday it rained (for a short period) at my house while i was at work 5 miles away getting no rain - only knew cuz the ground was wet when i went home for lunch... ok - it's really time for sleep now - g'nite FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
so in other words, last is not least?
- Julie Bovee Hill
Barak: check out this idea for a long thread (still nowhere near the longest on friendfeed, but the idea.. ) http://friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Chris Heath
Chris: Yes, that is a good one too. This is better though and I predict with end up with more comments.
- Barak B
Yay! I am last as of now :)
- Amit Nangare
lets see how long this lasts for! :)
- Paul Kinlan
Another one of these? From Scoble this time? Wow. BTW, last post.
- Chris Charabaruk
I will be the penultimate commenter!
- Garin Kilpatrick
That way I can be the ultimate one.
- Chris Charabaruk
Nope.
- Barak B
friendfeed should allow for "liking" comments so top comments can be the ones shown, no matter the chronology. And allow the users to watch comments by likes, threaded or chronologically.
- Charbax
A blatant attempt at gaming the FriendFeed statistics for no real useful purpose... Oooh, can I be last, Please Please!!!
- Peter Kelley
No, Peter, you may not be last. That's my position.
- Chris Charabaruk
Last Post!!!
- Richard Hurt
well, the last comment is always changing, isn't this like having your 5 nanoseconds of glory?
- Liviu Lica
This thread is now closed.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
No, NOW it's closed.
- Chris Charabaruk
Or is it? :)
- Liviu Lica
Perhaps now...
- Garin Kilpatrick
thats me! :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
based on what you say, it easier to simply click like :-)
- Orli Yakuel
:)
- Michael Fidler
"Comment on a friendfeed item"? which one? ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Are trying to go for the longest comment thread again?
- Amit Morson
Amit: no, most times one post gets hidden.
- Robert Scoble
In a different timezone you can have the advantage :)
- Rene de Vries
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
What if you write backwards? Does that help?
- Kieran Daly
It would be nice if we could pick the number of comments shown at the top and bottom, I'd like to see the first 3 and last 3 for example.
- Kol Tregaskes
I usually read all the comments of something I'm interested in. I don't just read the top and bottom ones so I don't care where I come in. I comment on what I want to because I want to say something. It's nice if the original poster reads/responds to it, but not absolutely necessary. Most of the time the most fun/interaction comes from other commenters.
- Molly
Sounds like an online auction...Is there any deadline? Then I'll prepare my winning speech 17,3 sec beforehand.
- Zack Brandit
I'm not falling for your postbait, Scoble! Oh wait...crap.
- c.a.j.
Cow tipping - That's Funny
- Brent - Yes I am
Good point.
- Jack Boyle
I feel sorry for the cows. And the grass. I am weakhearted I guess.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I guess I misunderstood. You were talking about that fat waittress in Crazy Mick's Breakaway Cafe, weren't you?
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Fine, I'm in
- Don Bonaddio
Nope
- Jérôme
no
- mjc
Yeah, you were last. Congrats.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
In ur timezone, stealin ur commentz, kthxbye :)
- Peter Kelley
ok, I'll hold on to last place for visablity!
- PaulJohnson
I was going to add something witty, but i got nothing. sorry....
- Mike Nencetti
No problem. Participating is more important than winning, we say in the Netherlands.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
It's the long-tail of real-time
- zeroinfluencer
Excellent point David ;)
- Don Bonaddio
Being last has one drawback. It makes you a thread-killer. I'm not sure some of us like being that. Sometimes I'd rather see the discussion keep going.
- George Hall (Australia)
Do like the suggestion made earlier that there should be bonus points for being the thread-killer...
- George Hall (Australia)
but who wants to be last?
- mcvictor
Ok Robert, please close this thread now. ;)
- Meryn Stol
I disagree, and I'll tell you why below...
- FFing Enigma
We already did this thread, I'll post the link right after Tina's rebuttal
- Rahsheen?
You don't really believe that Robert. Content is key! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
But if I post last, I'm first in the thread on Twhirl! Double win! ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
amazing
- David Gross
from email
Always happy to be last .... but it probably won't last :)
- Charlie Anzman
llllllaaaaasssssstttttt
- mjc
You'd be right Charlie :P
- Jay
And there is nothing I hate more than reading that first comment that childishly claims "First!" and nothing more. "Last!" (until the next comment comes along)
- Jim Espinoza
By the way, I'm the last commenter in a very participated thread recently started by Robert Scoble, but that didn't gain me almost any new follower. I'm fine with this though, as I'd find silly being advantaged for being the last commenter ;-)
- Opensource Obscure
Agreed :)
- Fabian De Simone
How do I stick my comment to the bottom so that it will always be last? :)
- Jeff Sayre
How long can this go on?
- Tom Landini
Last! ...for now
- Scott
So this if why Scoble goes nuts over realtime feeds - he can be the first to comment.
- Tom Landini
Well, every comment gets to be last for at least a couple of seconds. Or fractions of a second with RT.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
If you want to understand the power of last you need to read this thread http://friendfeed.com/mikenay...
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
"There is no final solution. There is no last word.” ~ Carlos Fuentes
- Sharon McPherson
First is way better, because the last post can always change :)
- Tim McDougall
Easy to be first, harder to be last. Kind of like trying to win a silent auction, you always have to go back
- Lorraine Ball
but what if it took me a while to find the discussion, and i still want to be last? ;-)
- Courtney Engle
Firs...Last.
- Rob
@Rob - in yo' face!
- JoEllen
The one who will comment after me is so stupid I would'nt like to be him :P
- stanjourdan
Yoink!
- Zach Lytwyn
112 comments - but there can never be last comment, can there? Unless there is a FF limit on the number of comments - Paul, is there a limit?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
The current last comment is the next penultimate comment.
- Brian Sullivan
Not everyone is on here to market themselves to infinity. Why people, other than people who actually make money off of exposure, insist on wanting the most friends on ff/fb/ms/tt is beyond me. Not everyone is a Scobilite! Yes I did just make that word up... where do I copyright it? lol
- Jason Williams
Didn't someone blog about tinyurl's dominance a while back - about how they have too much power. Might have been Gillmor or Winer
- Bwana ☠
Winer. I don't think they have too much power
- Steve Gillmor
I'm going for last.
- Derek Markham
I've got last:-)
- Francine Hardaway
instahide
- Edward Zwart
How can we compete against Robert
- Peter Meng
Peter: why compete? Just come in last! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ok
- Kevin Johnson
Just checking. I heard this thread was closed, so I wondered if commenting still works.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
wow that's pretty rad :-)
- Patphelan
@Jeff, it's not spam if you opt in ;-)
- Kevin Johnson
wonder what the value of posting on page length increments are... as people page down your comment is visible ;)
- offbeatmammal
Jeff: do you still get email if you hide a thread? I bet you do. That sucks. Now I know why I don't turn on email notifications.
- Robert Scoble
There is no last. - Mobius Loop
- Robert Couture
to infinity and beyond
- Jonathan Grimes
@Jeff - same here - noworries
- Kevin Johnson
- Rob
This. Will. Never. End.
- Michael Forian
Pay me $10 and I'll delete this thread. (Future friendfeed monetization technique). Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Your comment is always the last! look at mine :)
- Luis Benavides
Welcome to the neverending thread :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: I'll delete it before it ends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That would be a shame. You'd be up $10 at least though :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
The last shall be last
- Peter Meng
There can be only one.
- Kevin Johnson
I seem to be last on many of Steve Gillmor's posts @techcrunchit, the kiss of death to many a conversation. I should be so lucky here.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
Yes, you should be so lucky :p
- Jesse Newhart
I'm going to change my FriendFeed ID to "145 more comments"
- Mark Traphagen
Getting a piece of the pie... :)
- Jan Ole Peek
I've often found myself to have the last comment. It hasn't benefited me yet that I've noticed...let's try that again.
- Mike Lewis
first is forever....last is a very transient honor indeed.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and being both is probably meaningless, but I'm still going to claim it
- Kevin Johnson
Do others ever get more than 2 comments on their posts? :)
- Cameron
Doing it!! www.radarla.com
- Drew Lucas
So, if you are last and then someone comes behind you, should you re-comment to be last again?
- T.S. Elliott
Probably so T.S. but it won't last long ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sorry Rob:-)
- Michael Fidler
1
- Robert Kenney
2
- Robert Kenney
As a fine-art platform, as a painting, do you think anyone would be interested in a full-screen image feed animated by Judith Supine? http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- stephen harlow
He who comments last...
- Abbas Haider Ali
comments as:
- Kevin Johnson
Tag- Im it
- Ryan Gerritsen
not anymore you're not ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
zaloom!
- Kevin Johnson
for one moment I could imagine that every comment was Kevin Johnson and his "zaloom!"
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
ANd so I do and then another and another :) Fun huh.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
not really... but hey... whatever
- Chris Heath
So to comment or to like a FriendFeed item is to promote it.. and to promote the promoter. Great great great!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
173rd!!
- Mark Traphagen
Controlled noise...
- Joe Dawson
Indeed it is official :) But not for long let me bask in it's glory for a moment hahaha.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
It was fun while it lasted.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Okay, Thanks. It was taking too much of my time anyway.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Nicholas: Except this thread is far more epic :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
back again...to claim last place!
- Zach Lytwyn
Good for you Zach!
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Cannot. Let. This. End.
- Robert Couture
Have. To.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
hit hit hit
- Hans Mestrum
Kol: Cool idea, it would be neat to be able to choose how many of the first and last comments were visible.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Last
- Michael Fidler
I like most anything distilled...information, bait...(distilled bait...is that like the worm at the bottom of the mezcal?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The difference would be that in this case the worm will stay on the bottom. No matter what.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I am not quite sure about that. But willing to accept it. (Wait! You just called me a worm? The most underrated but valuable animal on the planet, that brings us fertile ground and eats dead stuff? It is a nice compliment, but might be a bit much).
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Yesterday somebody asked: 'if you pass the number two in a race, which place are you in?' and I answered wrong. Passing the last one in this race will be hard...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
The last comment shall be mine! :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
Woot, last comment. ;)
- Jimminy IS Everybody
mine
- Michael Fidler
NOPE
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Mmmm. I always hoped I would be last.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
from email
Mmmm. I always hoped I would be last.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
from email
I think it is hard to be first and even harder to be last.. just look at this thread.. http://ff.im/1hqgl
- David Gross
Last comment?
- Jeff P. Henderson
you mean Twitter Gar1n? You were talking on TWITTER WEREN'T YOU! LIAR "friendfeeed Garin" pfttttt still the same bi-polar
- sofarsoShawn
Interesting comment, SFSS, very interesting indeed. So interesting, in fact, that I think that nothing further needs to be added to this thread. Ever.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
אתם כל כך מלא חרא, אבל זו בעיה שלך, לא שלי :-)
- David Gross
from email
actually i don't know how not to be the last commenter :)
- İ. Emre Kutlu
Me too..
- David Gross
from email
If only I could puncture the depths of Scoble's scratch-the-surface brain fart, techno-vangelizing, then I'd actually care WHOLE HEARTEDLY about this meaningfully retarded thread.
- sofarsoShawn
The only way this thread can be made even more ridiculous and anachronistic is to move it to identi.ca.. Myspace would work, too.
- Tal Shafik
Interesting ;)
- Alex
And since you can't guarantee being last unless you are the originator of the thread or can convince the originator to end comments (but since Robert is AWOL that is unlikely) -- you better be first. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Stuff
- Jonathan Hardesty
Okay, admittedly being the last IS visible...but who REALLY wants to be the thread-killer?
- George Hall (Australia)
apparently, some people http://friendfeed.com/ajbatac... http://friendfeed.com/silas21... http://friendfeed.com/mikenay... (notice 2000+ comments!)
- Chris Heath
I think I remember commenting on one of those threads...and it's STILL going????
- George Hall (Australia)
Hey, this one's from May... it's about to hit its own anniversary!
- Chris Heath
I'm surprised this only has a little over 200 comments.
- Jason Williams
201
- David Gross
don't be so sure about that... there's lots of people who like to be thread killers or last... just wait and watch
- Chris Heath
Sage words Robert - Sage words indeed!
- PaulJohnson
See??? I told you!
- Chris Heath
It doesn't seem to work in the long term.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Have you ever seen a cooler office than Charles Alleneck's (he is an animator at Industrial Light and Magic)? Photo:
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You've seen his work on Transformers (the movie) but I was blown away by his office.
- Robert Scoble
He has hundreds of transformers toys (and some Lego toys hanging from the ceiling) surrounding him at every angle. This was part of our tour today of Industrial Light and Magic (the folks who made Star Wars, among many many other movies). When we walked in he quickly hid what was on the screen. Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
Other photos from our tour are up at http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
It's worth clicking on this picture. Amazing.
- Mark Evans
Reminds me of a domino collection - don't know one over or they all fall down
- Lyn Graft
Whoa
- Mike Doeff
Yeah. Mark, a higher resolution version of this photo is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
The computer and monitor need some work.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I was actually surprised by most of the monitors I saw at ILM. I have more glass on my desk. But most did have two monitors with a high-speed computer (and they had a kick ass data center for rendering everything). The models that we saw were unreal. I'll try to upload some of those next.
- Robert Scoble
Geez, I think he has them arranged by series as well.
- Rob H.
His shirt needs replaced, it looks like he got into a fight with a rainbow, and lost after he knocked out green.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Maybe he can only do the work he does thx to his office.
- Ton Zijp
Whoa! Hope his office won't face any EQ soon :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Wondering if he could find what he's looking for on the fly; probably could.
- Mark Evans
Jimminy: to be fair he didn't know he was going to be photographed today for hundreds of thousands of people to see.
- Robert Scoble
That's one my little brother will love. Great shot!
- Zu from AOD
Jimminy, nice description of a Madras plaid. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Melanie Reed
Yeah, I remember similar pics (not of transformers) but of other film work in progress when I was a loyal sub'er to "Starlog" mag. Anyone ever take that here? http://www.starlog.com/
- Melanie Reed
Nice shot, Robert!
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: the thing is, now he just loves collecting the things. Doesn't have much to do with movies he's working on now.
- Robert Scoble
.......................................WANT
- Mo Kargas
Can you imagine having to dust the room: "O, just give it a wide shot with compressed air every 2-3". Nice quick bursts." ;)
- Melanie Reed
Robert, yeah it looks like it!
- Melanie Reed
This is such a cool photo Robert. Looks like one you'd see in Life magazine. What lens did you use?
- Mark Krynsky
I mostly only use one lens lately: my 17-40 F4.0 lens on a Canon 5D MK II. This was shot at 6400 ISO. Which is totally crazy. I remember when Kodak came out with 1000 ISO film that was only Black and White and had lots of grain.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, yeah I understand him not being prepared, it's just a very striking shirt, definitely an attention grabber, though the environment pulls you away.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Melanie, I wasn't really describing plaid so much as the colors of it. ;)
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Jimminy, yeah, I know. I liked your description! Very apt! (for the record I dislike Madras Plaid. I had to wear it as part of a uniform for a job once...every day) ;)
- Melanie Reed
I just noticed he has 8-bit Mario Bros. magnets, that's freakin' awesome.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
My brothers who are both artists (animation and modeling) would love this room.
- Melanie Reed
Wohaaaaaa
- Alper Cengiz
OMG, this is too cool. :)
- Stefano Maggi
Cool !
- ★ Soner Gönül
O_O
- Selman
Hope he's got an inventory of all that stuff!
- Robert Sanchez Jr
geek! ;)
- MissMakimon
My 2yr old would destroy that place in 20 seconds flat. Robert, did he let you play with any of his toys? Great shot by the way!
- michael sean wright
I WANT THIS OFFICE!!!! I COVET IT!!!!!
- Renee Hendricks
Jason, thought same thing. See my comment about compressed air. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How does he get work done?
- Sean Oliver
How do I get in touch with him??? I really need to do an interview with him for my talk show!!!
- Queen of North Norway
this is more chaotic than cool:) and I was bugged about having an untidy office:)
- Neşe
He's gotta be on at least one of the TF forums...
- Andrew C (✓)
my 10 year old daughter is looking at this office and wants to know how Charles concentrates!
- Mary Ann Halford
Yeah, he really needs a better monitor or two.
- Vezquex
I bet that's a picture of his mom ;-)
- Jay
woooww is impressive !!
- Verguenza
I love the Lego AT-ST
- Gabe
Is that what we call a hobbie? lol jesus :)
- Ludovic Godet Photographe
that's cool~~~~~~~~~~~~
- ewill
This has got to be in his mother's basement.
- Jack Scalfani
And I thought I had a lot of robot toys in my office - geesh!
- Brandon Ratliff
TOTAL DADDY MAKING SANDWICHES FOR KINDY TOMORROW FAILAGE: Errrrr... That's not strawberry jam...
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You are too cute.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Cranberries are good for ya!
- Spidra Webster
well, if you put some turkey on there, she'll be set.
- Yolanda
That's good. But it's not as good as when I put butter on toast, only to find it was Crisco. Yuck.
- Louis Gray
Needs moar Vegemite.
- Micah
Louis - EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW
- Yolanda
Only thing worse would be Cristo on toast.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Nutella for the win.
- DGentry
*cackles loudly* i've done similar things. at least you caught yourself before trying to get her to eat it!
- Hieronymous Boob
4 Cop Cars destroyed chasing crackhead through cornfield. WTF?! - http://www.dizzy-dee.com/news...
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Wouldn't this dude have run out of gas? 4 cars? LOL!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from Bookmarklet
Crop-circle of aliens on crack.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
4 cars??? My word. he'd better be paying 100% tax for the rest of his life to pay for that.
- Roberto Bonini
My take is that the idiots that chased this guy through a cornfield, and wrecked their cars should pay for them. There's really no excuse for it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
so you're suggesting that the aliens infiltrated the bodies of the cops, and chased the crackhead until they wrecked 4 cars? All as a clever ruse to prevent us from noticing what they're doing to the cows 2 fields over? Makes sense to me.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
International growth has started to completely dominate on FriendFeed since August. Below is an unlabeled graph of page views on FriendFeed this month, broken down by country. Guess which country is the largest green slice below? (Hint: it is not English-speaking)
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Iran!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Turkey??
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
We are still blocked in Iran
- Bret Taylor
Turkey
- Cliff Gerrish
Me
- Johnny
Brazil?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
turkey, imho.
- 1Co
Oh and good to see you bret.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Turkey is in fact the green slice. Orange is also not English speaking. Guess which country :)
- Bret Taylor
france
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Hmm.. Turkey is the biggest international... I am not surprised (:
- Ozgur Demir
i totally don't know my FF :(
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Orange - Russia? :)
- Count Caturday
FF is rising fast in Turkey I guess. And will probably continue to rise for some time. Celebrities are joining too (:
- Hakan Deryal
I am guessing the orange is Canada :P
- Johnny
COUNTRY OR CONTINENT?UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....
- Pam Gwenzi
@Brent. is USA one of these countries ? or does chart only show internationals ?
- Ozgur Demir
USA is blue. About 23% of our page views now.
- Bret Taylor
Does Australia get a slice?
- Johnny
@Bret, Can we get more info about Turkey in FF?
- Hakan Deryal
India
- Hayes Haugen
The orange slice is actually Italy, believe it or not. Turkey and Italy have been growing like gangbusters the past few months.
- Bret Taylor
@Bret. yes, your guess is correct (about gangs) (:
- Ozgur Demir
Turkey. hehe :)
- Oguz Serdar
from Android
Gray is "other"
- Bret Taylor
where other is proxied users from Iran. ;)
- EricaJoy
Both China and Iran would have been in there if they were not both blocked currently
- Bret Taylor
That's where Australia is, in the grey :)
- Glenn Slaven
OMG. Friendfeed is going the way of Orkut ;) Btw, is Norway/Scandinavia even visible in all this ? Just curious.
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
@thomas. even though Orkut is Turkish (the guy), it is (site) not big in Turkey.
- Ozgur Demir
Facebook has a very similar story as far as I know.. we are a communicative nation:)
- Neşe
Who's Gray? It's Gray, Louis of course :)
- Micah
Thank you for sharing this graph, Bret.
- Micah
Interesting - though for the sake of data visualization, pie charts are the worst of all.... :)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
See-ming, a-hem, take a look at your avatar ;)
- Micah
@Bret, what is the exact number of Turkish people on FF?
- Özkan Altuner
Ozkan, I'd be curious to know too, but I have a feeling there's an internal policy about not releasing absolute numbers, hence the percentages. But it never hurts to ask :)
- Micah
@Micah, it's the page view, however, not the number of users :)
- Özkan Altuner
Good point, Ozkan. But I can't remember Visitor or View counts ever publicly reported before. But today could be the first time! :)
- Micah
Iran :-)
- Nimaa
Everyone knows teh fuckin answer Bret. It's Turkey. Mahir loves you http://www.ikissyou.org
- AlpB.
from iPod
I'm not surprised that Turkey is the green portion. I've seen more and more Turkish posts in my home feed. I thought it was just a biased sample, but perhaps not.
- John (bird whisperer)
Iran
- Assal
Turkey
- Shey
Intense competition between Iran and Turkey occurred :D
- Nimaa
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...MOZAMBIQUE luminous orange l guess
- Pam Gwenzi
the desire to push the boundaries of internet of the turkish is troubling. the possesive tendecies of the turkish can be observed in the currently popular ''ff bu deYil'' (this is not ff) comment. turks are crowding ff, westerners are in panic!
- feraye
international growth dominates FF and yet the USA dominates the world. Not always in good ways either. What is the link? I don't think there is one. All I can say is that I love the USA and I love FriendFeed. What does it all mean? More free, cold beer is needed to find the answers.
- Morgan
.. because, Turkish Facebook users are 10-20 years old. FF is very good alternative for older users. (and in addition Twitter is non-useful)
- Emre M.
Bret would that mean that FF has around 200K Turkish users? http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Cem ARGUN
Murat Tatar. So you've seen that Turkish Facebook users demographics ? even though it's unpublished.
- Ozgur Demir
Actually, I wonder when Bret is gonna post something like "FF bu degil!"..
- Ozgur Demir
Bret start learning Turkish. You should have guessed from the reactions the days a.) you changed the design, b.) announced the FB deal. :)
- Cem ARGUN
I've noticed it on my feed. It's all good.
- Eric - seven eleven
I've noticed a huge increase in Iran, peaking at about 7-8am Eastern
- Hollywood Amanda
Just curious, what's happening with total page views? (I don't trust alexa, compete, etc.)
- Bruce Lewis
@Bret, 1- Turkey, 2- USA, 3- Italy, 4- India, 5- Japan, 6- Germany, 7- UK & Russia 8 - Pakistan 9- Iran 10- Canada.. Is it True?
- Kemalettin Bulamacı
italian power! yeah! ;)
- Dario Salvelli
Anyone worth their weight in tweets knows that it's turkey.
- Richard A.
Turkey?
- ★ Soner Gönül
If that is so, can we get some way of filtering by language? I want to follow more international people but be able to ignore them or their friends when they post in what I cannot read :)
- Iphigenie
Turkiye :)
- Mustafa Çamaltı
italy rules!! :-)
- batta
Turkey
- Melih Bahadır Varol
My bet's on India
- Rod Nicolson
Country dominating FriendFeed? My guess...Brazil (have to bet on the homeland)
- Victoria Harres
Italy?
- Matte
You may have to develop "hide by language" feature very soon.
- Bahadır Yağan
Afghanistan
- Pam Gwenzi
go italy!
- Alessandro
How much does the UK get?
- Kol Tregaskes
Turkey is the winner btw.
- Kol Tregaskes
YEAH TURKEY !
- Çağatay " SKYLAB " Şama
different kind of widgets? I don't like with blue line. years fighting with it :) and option to change fonts. please :)
- Okeane
#Turkey of course ;)
- Volkan Özçelik
IRAN :)
- امیروفسکی
Iran خودشم تو روحت که دیشب فرفر و خراب کرده بودی . اگه تونستی بفهم چی گفتم !
- حاج مهدی ©
:)
- Susan Beebe
Is there any place to get a full breakdown, including the smaller slices, by country with percentages? Thanks.
- Michael Toler
@bret, what is the number of friendfeed users in total?
- elodeon
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gorgeous Ivan..
- GökTaşı
Thanks Gök. Hope you're having a great Monday.
- Iván Abrego
:)
- GökTaşı
A playground.
- Iván Abrego
@ffcode That's not my work. But, you can see how it's done and some examples here: http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009...
- Iván Abrego
it's really very nice. i love it :)
- GökTaşı
i'm dizzy
- Morgan
I guess that's another reason I like this type of photography. It does look like the inside of a rotating space station.
- Iván Abrego
RT @jonpauldavies: IN YOUR FACE GREGGS!!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!! @paulkinlan gets his prize from @spookysayers ! WIN!!!! http://yfrog.com/j393hj
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@Scobleizer (1/2) You can't have it both ways. You publicly stated over and over that FriendFeed is dead so people listened to you and left.
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Nginx & Comet: Low Latency Server Push - igvita.com - http://www.igvita.com/2009...
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blocks of time and the mechanical facebook - http://russelldavies.typepad.com/plannin...
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"The second thing was brilliant in exactly the same way that bubblino is brilliant. It was a very silly and perfectly appropriate physicalisation of the character of a social network. It was a Mechanical Facebook badge,"
- g.g.
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Niranjan to Niranjan's feed, Persian Cam, Photo Gallery, Fotos, Photographing, Photography United, Fotograf
"A lightning storm flashes over the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco Bay." - http://www.time.com/time...
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Amazing interactive 360-degree panoramic view of the entire night sky | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...
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"A new magnificent 800-million-pixel panorama of the entire sky has been unveiled online today. It was stitched together from 1,200 photos by astronomers at the European Southern Observatory from viewing sites in Chile."
- Benjamin Golub
from Bookmarklet
wow!
- Chris Myles
Oh wow. Totally resharing this, thx!
- Ayşe E.
You're not going to see anything like this in the Northern Hemisphere. This is only the night sky for those south of the equator. But it is cool.
- Nina Jansen
WOW!
- Susan Beebe
LOVE it!!
- Roshan Ramachandran
hmmm didn't supply a link in the article! Ahh its the Daily Mail, to explain to non-UK-ites, the Daily Mail is the UK equivalent of Fox News.
- Toby Graham
http://www.gigagalaxyzoom.org/ for the full thing.
- Otto
Also: High res download here: http://videos.spacetelescope.org/gigagal... (25MB). All images are better when used as desktop wallpaper.
- Otto
wow thats huge! 800 megapixels...
- Matt Ellsworth
Truly beautiful! Makes earthlings so small!
- Cool Wired
wow it's beautiful.
- Benjo Castillo
Burning Man - http://geoeyemediaportal.s3.am...
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Wow!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Anyone been to this btw?
- Kol Tregaskes
Several people I know have been, including Veo (http://friendfeed.com/veo), Lucas (http://friendfeed.com/fuerve), and Joey (http://www.friendfeed.com/joeybea...). IIRC, Kevin Fox has been, too.
- Rochelle
Oh cool.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yep, Black Rock City (the temporary city created for Burning Man) is pretty impressive to behold. Most don't realize it's an actual city with streets, addresses and infrastructure.
- veo
I'd love to go here.
- Kol Tregaskes
Here is another shot where you can see the whole city from the air - it's shaped like a big "C": http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- veo
Wow, thanks veo.
- Kol Tregaskes
Rochelle, Kevin F hasn't been ... yet. I'm trying to convince him to go next year. :) Kol, there's a (somewhat sparse) Burning Man group on FF here: http://friendfeed.com/burning...
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
What happens at Burning Man stays at Burning Man =)
- Brodie Beta
What do you do at Burning Man? Just get naked, or what?
- Kimber Scott
I have many different answers to that but right now the best one is in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Thanks Stephen! The last picture I've ever seen of Burning Man was of a naked wedding. Everybody was covered in mud. Of course, that was a long time ago. I never knew they did stuff like this. Very cool!
- Kimber Scott
Kimber, you're welcome, I think they did a great job on that video. But everyone's experience there is different, and can vary wildly -- I'm sure there were mud-covered naked weddings even at this year's Burning Man.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Kimber: We can't talk about what happens at burning man. lol
- Brodie Beta
It's all right, Brodie. I can't talk about a lot of things, too. ;)
- Kimber Scott
Steven, that is an AWESOME VIDEO! It really translates the exploration/wild party aspect of Burning Many quite well.
- veo
Brodie, have you been then? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I think it shows planning better than most cities!
- Nathalie
Thanks, Smee. I've subbed and will watch the vid in a bit.
- Kol Tregaskes
Clearly Burning Man is just a big naked drug fest, man. Nothing interesting there except hippies and burn outs.
- veo
I went in 1994. It was a very different event then.
- Spidra Webster
Spidra, what was it like then?
- Kol Tregaskes
Awful Programming Advice - http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/69753...
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"Subclassing is not an end in and of itself, it's a technique which is occasionally handy. And I'll let you in on a little secret - I personally almost never use subclassing. It's not that I one day decided that subclassing is bad and that one should avoid it, it's that as I got better at coming up with simple designs I wound up using it less and less, until eventually I almost stopped using it entirely. Subclassing is, quite simply, awkward. Any design which uses subclassing should be treated with skepticism. Any design which requires subclassing across encapsulation boundaries should be assumed to be a disaster."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I tend to agree, at least about the "subclassing is generally bad" part.
- Paul Buchheit
especially true in duck typed languages where you don't need subclassing for polymorphism
- Karl Rosaen
"Occasionally handy" sounds spot on to me. OO languages often lead people to overemphasize inheritance.
- Bruce Lewis
Subclassing seems to be necessary when you are using a library of third party components in a non-duck-typed language and you encounter requirements that one of your components doesn't support. Sucks when it happens, but what else are you supposed to do?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Meh. I disagree, but only provisionally. Subclassing examples are uniformly bad. Subclassing in practice tends to be bad because it's done either a) by newbs or b) by people who've not written lots of OOP, or c) by people who've never had to maintain anything. I've written plenty of good cases of subclasses, which turned out to be extremely handy. The problem with subclassing is that...
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- Otto
Otto++
- Claudio Cicali
I think one should be careful to separate sub-typing from subclassing, and interface inheritance vs implementation inheritance, and also virtual dispatch (C++/Java) vs multimethods vs Haskell-style typeclasses. Subclassing as a notion is too broad to apply a brush with all the cons. Implementation inheritance, for example, is usually used to save delegation boilerplate and allow 'hooks'...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that implementation inheritance is explicitly excluded from noop: http://code.google.com/p/noop/. I do find it amusing that the language which might have actually had the "best" design for OO programing was Visual Basic..
- Nick Lothian
Otto, I would use "subclassing User objects based on login method" as a good example of misusing inheritance. What if Users vary in other ways, are you going to create subtypes of each one? The login method should not determine the type of user, but should probably be its own object (with a generic login interface perhaps).
- Paul Buchheit
I think standard OODA principles (which are rarely followed) would advise against putting responsibility for knowing how to log in on a User object. Login code must typically be privileged and depending on security mode (sandboxed vs capability based) you wouldn't necessarily want privileged code inside of user, which is likely an object that has many consumers.
- Ray Cromwell
As much as I generally avoid subclassing, the one place where I used it most effectively was a Shape class that I wrote for a vector drawing program. I didn't have a Square class, but you can be damn sure that Ellipse and Rectangle were closely related -- the only difference is the Paint() method! And why wouldn't RoundedRect be a subclass of Rectangle?
- Gabe
I don't do a lot of OO programming, but last year I was teaching a python for linguists class, and we did cover OO some. I used an example of a bird class, with a subclass for penguins, in which the fly() method was overwritten. Is this example just as bad as the rectangle and square? Do people agree with the comment that a subclass should have all the same properties as the parent class (specifically that width = height for a square, but not a rectangle)?
- Robert Felty
Rob, I tend to think that subclassing is good for when you want to describe an object that's just like some other object, just with a few differences. Why write a whole new Square class? Just take a Rectangle and override Height and Weight to make sure they're always the same.
- Gabe
If I were teaching beginners, I would just tell them to not use subclassing. People learning to program should focus on learning to program, not learning a set of language features.
- Paul Buchheit
SICP agrees with you, Paul.
- Bruce Lewis
Not to start with, but certainly before subclassing.
- Paul Buchheit
If you were teaching beginners, why would the word subclassing ever enter into their vocabulary?
- Gabe
I'd tell them to start with Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs :)
- Ray Cromwell
But Ray, that book uses a weird language, Scheme. Would you use a web site written using Scheme?
- Bruce Lewis
^Is that even possible? LOL did Scheme in freshman year, hated it
- LANjackal
I'm still waiting for Ray's answer. If Scheme is such a good language for thinking about programming, would you use a web site written with it?
- Bruce Lewis
Article claims: "Taken literally, it would never make sense to make a full-blown class for such a trivial piece of functionality. There simply would be more lines of code taken up making declarations than could possibly be saved by convenience." That seems likely to be untrue if you have a program which uses a lot of Squares. So: the article's case seems pretty feeble.
- Tim Tyler
I like the book SICP not because of Lisp/Scheme, but because of the way it incrementally attacks programming problems. Truthfully, it can be taught using any language, although some are more concise than others, and stuff like C pointers and manual memory allocation obscure some algorithms.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray, I was trying to trick you into agreeing to use http://ourdoings.com/ but you didn't fall for it. Curses, foiled again.
- Bruce Lewis
Really, it's hard to imagine a better programming language for beginners than Python. In particular, Python programs do what it looks like they should do, and you don't have to waste time hunting for missing brackets or semicolons.
- Gabe
Paul, users are actually a good example because your users tend to not vary a lot from one to another in many ways. They always have the same fields, etc. Generally speaking, of course. Also, the login method is an important way to separate user types because different methods require different approaches to keep the user "logged in" sometimes, and also might require differing inputs...
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- Otto
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@Gabe BASIC, COBOL, and FORTRAN? :) I think human beings being very visual creatures, and visual feedback providing pleasing stimulus, some language deeply integrated with graphics is probably best for first language, ala turtle graphics or EToys.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray: Python is also good because it doesn't have arcane syntax (like COBOL and FORTRAN). I agree that BASIC is a great language for beginners, but it's just too old. If you modernized BASIC, I think you'd come up with something like Python.
- Gabe
MIT recently switched to Python for their into programming courses (I think from Scheme). I like "Think Python" as a nice introduction to programming. Best of all, the book is open source (written in LaTeX) http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpy...
- Robert Felty
You can make a good case multiple inheritance is bad, but subclassing is such an integral part of OO languages like Java and C++ that I can't see any way you should avoid or discourage its use. You can argue when you should teach it to new programmers, but any experienced programmer developing any non trivial architecture or API should be making extensive use of it in the right places. Its a primary mechanism for code reuse, maintainability and consist behavior. Reference Cocoa, Android, Qt...
- Ed Millard
No one has mentioned Smalltalk/Squeak as a teaching language. These languages are very nice for teaching because of the way the runtime image is integrated with the IDE as a kind of persistent database. People can write code to tickle objects, inspect anything, and see immediate results. EToys is a classic example of what you can do.
- Ray Cromwell
I think a good amount of problems (with subclassing) comes from the packages/modules system and importing classes from other packages/modules creating on the long run messy dependencies between modules (and violating module isolation); I find Gilad Bracha's Newspeak an interesting take on this problem, you can read...
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- Marco Fabbri
Otto's example has a baked-in assumption that each user only has one login method, whereas (as FriendFeed shows) having multiple login methods for a given user is an advantage. If you subclass for login method, you make it very hard to support logging in the same user in different ways...
- Kevin Marks
tornado's auth example uses subclassing :) but actually, it looks like it's designed so, using multiple inheritance in python, you can mixin multiple auth types? http://github.com/faceboo... another reason why this issue isn't so cut and dry :)
- Karl Rosaen
Kevin: Not at all. You can have the same user with multiple login methods. That's the beauty of it. You're storing the login methodology separate from the underlying user in that manner. I've done this before, it works fine for any number of login methods, on all users. The one you instantiate is just which way they used to login that particular time. If they login differently, you...
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- Otto
actually, no, looks like tornado auth is intended to mix *one* auth mechanism in, but as Otto mentions, you could do this for the appropriate instance
- Karl Rosaen
The difference in creating Rectangle and Square classes vs creating methods to create square and rectangle in a polygon class is that in latter you do an Object Oriented Analysis first, rather than pushing your own limited knowledge of system requirements (like you think of a requirement for rectangles and squares but don't think about entire system) into design
- thequark
The technology behind Tornado, FriendFeed's web server - Bret Taylor's blog - http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
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We have open sourced our web server. Download it at http://www.tornadoweb.org/. Check out the Facebook announcement at http://developers.facebook.com/news...
- Bret Taylor
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See a live chat demo: http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/
- Casey Muller
Wow! Thanks so much, Bret and co!
- Doug Beeferman
this was very interesting; good job
- RAPatton
neat
- anna sauce
I wonder what the engineering decision was to not use a WSGI interface.
- mikepk
mikepk: it supports WSGI, but it is not WSGI by default because WSGI does not support non-blocking I/O for things like hanging connections. See http://www.tornadoweb.org/documen....
- Bret Taylor
This actually is a very good piece of code! Thanks folks!
- directeur
cool, Bret, thanks :) I was just heading through the docs now.
- mikepk
Thanks for doing this, Bret! That's some pretty cool stuff.
- Keith Bourgoin
oh man, this is so awesome, thanks guys!
- Charles Ying
Is "tonado" a typo?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I'm hacking my own python web framework at the moment, so now the choice on whether I want to switch gears to this or not. I'm liking what I see so far.
- mikepk
Bruce: Yes
- Casey Muller
Wow.. Thanks!! pretty much makes my day.. which is scary in it's own rite.
- Chris Myles
Great news! Cheers to the FF team!
- Egon Willighagen
Nice new title Brett.."Facebook Director of Products".. a good sign of things to come!
- Chris Myles
very very glad to hear this bit: "Tornado is a core piece of infrastructure that powers FriendFeed's real-time functionality, which we plan to actively maintain."
- Chris Heath
Great work
- James Myatt
Franz: enables widespread adoption which leads to greater influence of the technique
- Mike Chelen
So excited this is out. So many personal projects I have been wanting to build with it :)
- Bret Taylor
Fantastic, Bret (and team)!
- Micah
A very good project!...you know if will be possibile to use Tornado with other technogies except Python (such as JEE, Ruby On Rails, etc.)?
- Nicola Junior Vitto
Cristo: we tried to use the official Python coding conventions, though we may have inadvertently strayed. Those conventions are: ClassNames, method_names, variable_names
- Bret Taylor
Brilliant! I hope you can provide very valuable input for the next round of #python WSGI, which desperately needs a next round ;)
- Uche Ogbuji
Re: WSGI needing help, see http://www.b-list.org/weblog...
- Uche Ogbuji
grt
- Xitong Liu
Onur, worked for me - and still works now
- Chris Heath
Very cool, in case someone needs a high-end Web Server for a project, FriendFeed just open-sourced theirs, & apparently, it screams..
- Alex Schleber
Nicola: there is a Ruby example - http://gist.github.com/184760
- Mike Chelen
thx Mike, but this is a kind of eventmachine (that sounds good) for Ruby, not a Tornado client or wrapper...isn't it?
- Nicola Junior Vitto
Excellent! Thank you. Was eagerly waiting for the day to come after looking this just 1 month ago; "changeset: 5afb8a445cad / date: 2009-08-11 16:34:48 / description: Initial open source packages" http://changelog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- NaHi
from m.ctor.org
Good catch, NaHi. :)
- Micah
Thanks guys. Really appriciated.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
That's great. thanks Bret :-)
- Nimaa
Nice job on the non-blocking stuff Bret!
- Mitchell Tsai
"We have open sourced our web server" @bret took over a year but is worth the wait. thx for the follow through ~ http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
- Peter Renshaw
Ohhh, ummm, btw, your underhanded behind the scenes sell out still rankles my human decency, & a lot of others too, as should yours...thumbs down/dislike x 47.5 million dollars, however not being bitter of course, keep ignorance & bliss
- sofarsoShawn
that's the sound of I believe 100000000? or so hands clapping...& giving you the BOOOO-URNS if I'm not mistaken...
- sofarsoShawn
oh you sonsabitchez this fscking rules! why so badass, ff? thank. you. :)
- mike
So, can we say; Python is the future?
- Özkan Altuner
Nice code. Started to look at it today. Thanks for doing this. Now to start testing this on some projects I had been working on.
- Altan Khendup
Diego: we run on Linux.
- Bret Taylor
from email
@bret just out of curiosity - what would necessitate usage of such an engine for a *personal* project? :)
- Michael Bravo
Michael: it is a nice framework to use for any project in my opinion (though I am clearly biased). If you are doing anything real-time like the chat demo, something like Tornado is certainly necessary/useful regardless of the size of the project.
- Bret Taylor
from email
@bret and for little-sized hardware? should have try it on Maemo based :)))
- A. T.
@silpol I kinda fail to see Maemo devices being used for servers (unless it's some kind of satellite-based or other covert server maybe :) )
- Michael Bravo
from IM
@mbravo you never know... there are some unusual (and cool) apps for web servers, granted you abstain (on purpose) from classical models, e.g.server farm somewhere there and herds of clients connecting to it...
- A. T.
I think this is the best answer for the ultimate question: "Does python needs yet another web framework?" While most of us would say why, when one come across this, a real world proven technology, serving zillions of pages a day, one would say, well, why not. actually, why not even take it an try to integrate out next web app with it? great job! seems like joining FB won't do you any harm ;-)
- Tzury Bar Yochay
We've seen tornado vs twisted, how about tornado vs rails? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Tzury Bar Yochay
http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/ It doesn't work. I'd like to see chat.js :)
- Анатолий Шарифулин
FriendFeed's web server, open sourced? This is great! Welcoome, Tornado!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Bret: how do you proxy long-living connections through nginx? Vanilla nginx buffers everything.
- Alex Kapranoff
nginx has a configuration option to turn off buffering.
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed Not Twitter, Is The REAL Real-Time Search Engine - http://shegeeks.net/friendf...
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pubsubhubbub - We gotta come up with an acronym for this! - http://code.google.com/p...
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Here are some I've been thinking about lately: PU-SU-HU-BU or how about PUSHUB?
- BRҰANSAҰS
People have been calling it "Hubbub" for short. I've also seen PSH (pronounced "Push") or PSHB.
- Brett Slatkin
I have seen PSHB. But I always pronounce Pubsubhubbub with its full name. And I bet Brett would like to know who I introduced it to today. :)
- Louis Gray
I think Hubbub sounds good.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Bah! =P I also saw that "PuSH" going around as the short version, but I think that's still too generic and ambiguous. In conversation I always just say 'Hubbub.
- Brett Slatkin
Thats 3 now for Hubbub. I declare it the new short name for pubsubhubbub. :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
bub, just bub
- Cliff Gerrish
Ok I get it now. Pub=Publish, Sub=Subscribe, Hub=the central server but where does the "bub" come in? I guess the bub is for Awesome. hehe
- BRҰANSAҰS
"hubbub" = all the talk about it ;)
- Brett Slatkin
Seems like PSHB is emerging as the standard... although I wouldn't mind PUSHUB...since I sorta... well... for some reason I own pushub.com. Hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
i like the long name pubsubhubub has an anti acronym feel, but is and acronym
- Robert Higgins
Video Game Classics Tie Designs - http://www.walyou.com/blog...
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80+ Strange and Fantastic Buildings Architecture - http://www.instantshift.com/2009...
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"On the difference between the ideals of “architecture” and mere “construction”, the renowned 20th C. architect Le Corbusier wrote: “You employ stone, wood, and concrete, and with these materials you build houses and palaces: that is construction. Ingenuity is at work. But suddenly you touch my heart, you do me good. I am happy and I say: This is beautiful. That is Architecture”."
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How Big Is the Apple iPhone App Economy? The Answer Might Surprise You - http://gigaom.com/2009...
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"If I were to tell you that Apple’s app economy was worth more than $2.5 billion a year, you would laugh hysterically, shake your head and walk out of the room, yes?"
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No one like these? These are wonderfull
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عالمی داره ها!!!
- Business Blogger 【ツ】™
Only guys would think this is a good idea......
- Stephanie Segel
speaking as a guy, i think this is heinous.
- Hieronymous Boob
Better than reading mag.
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Fwd: Taken at the Right Moment! (via http://friendfeed.com/advertl...)
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- ahmet kakıcı
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1... is another one I just saw
- Paul Kinlan
@Paul, that's good too, thanks.
- Müjdat Korkmaz
wow that good!!!!!!! i likend!!!
- Bethzaida Almendarez
Is there a quick way of deleting unwanted auto added on follows by ffollo?
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I have zillions f feeds added on and am trying to un-follow them the painfully hard one by one way ...in the mean time I have disabled ffolo
- viki saigal
SOMEONE PLSE HELP - DROWNING IN A FLURRY OF POSTS
- viki saigal
Looks like you're down to 498 subs now. I don't know an automatic way, and I've never used ffollo, but the best thing to do is go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... then click "Add/remove friends" at the top, then in the dialog box that appears, click off the ones you don't want to see in your home feed. Then create a new list, such as "ffollo" and repeat those steps to turn on the ones you want to see in the new list.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Thanks Stephen ! but this is bloody nuisance . To unfollow people is a complete nightmare - you can check in any time you like but you can never leave !
- viki saigal
Well, what's ffollo's URL? That tool caused the mess, they should be responsible for cleaning it up!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
ffollo is www.ffollo.com - however there are numberous options for it not to clog your main feed up.
- Paul Kinlan
you can also go to "collage" in ffollo and it will open up a list of everyone it followed, click on the icon and it takes you to their page.
- Paul Kinlan
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