İnteresting..! I think Google Reader is very usefull app
- ★ Soner Gönül
Can't wait to get the Lists feature enabled! Very good post!
- Gerardo Capetillo
Adopting Twitter for news reading is a huge commitment to read instantly all news (bc they don't archive, right?). It's insane ... But yes gReader is too heavy.
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
from iPod
I just don't understand how you process all those tweets per day. I'm sure lists make it easier. Personally, I like the static nature of Google Reader because I can quickly scan folders by date-time or feed and then mark things with a star if I want to read them later, quick notes on shared items, etc. And of course all the shared stories post here on FriendFeed then Twitter. Normally I keep FF up all day but just began with threadsy and I confess it's got me looking at my Twitter stream MUCH more.
- Ankush Narula
but even on twitter you must be missing things
- ffcode
funny... cause i still read your blogs in reader... its got its place... tracking rss feeds from youtube, photography sites etc etc etc... if people want to follow what you write, you should not have to write your blog AND post the link to twitter... redundant! and will make twitter even noiser! why not let people pull at their leisure... the two things are for different times of the...
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- simran
i am still wondering how can you read so many tweets and then those links to articles wow
- ffcode
Robert, my favourite news reader, NetNewsWire started using Google Reader for synchronization and it's a failure. I now get most of my news via FriendFeed and Twitter.
- Khürt Williams
I agree on that you about iPhone Greader apps, most of them suck in someway or another: too slow, missing feature ect. "RSS" is best that I have tested, it was free for sometime and I like it most that I have try, but still more I want use Greader iPhone site. About slowness, I don't have that but that's because I "only" have over 250 sources, when some people have thousands. And part...
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- Kristian Salonen
Re Point 8. Check out "RSS Flash G" iPhone GoogleReader App. It lets you share, from iPhone, like a good thing, supports FaceBook, Twitter, Delicious, Instapaper and of course all googlereader sharing facilities are there too. These are two entirely different methods of discovery they both have their uses. But sharing from GoogleReader on the iPhone is EASY so I hope that takes care of point number 8.
- JSLeFanu
ffcode: actually on Twitter I miss very little. Why? Retweets and repetition. And, we always have TechMeme as the big net!
- Robert Scoble
I just got Lists so i haven't had a chance to really get to grips with it, but I think the problem Robert is that you're trying to apply your usage cases to everyone else. I use Reader in a different way to the way I use Twitter. Just like I use FriendFeed differently to Twitter or Reader.
- Eoghann Irving
I guess if you are recycling tweets don't need GReader, if you are munging petabytes via Yahoo Pipes, than GReader will pull stuff fresh off the press
- Robert Higgins
Eoghann: over and over in my career I've been told that I'm not like everyone else, but then everyone else behaves like me only about a year later. So, see ya next year!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: ahh, yeah, I guess Yahoo Pipes is one thing that might keep me on Google Reader -- if I used it. I'm going to delete everyone on my Google Reader account and start over. It's so freaking slow that it's totally useless, even for the few things I could see some utility for.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it doesn't *always* happen like that. Sometimes it's two years. :-)
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, that's a silly argument. If you make enough predictions (and you make them daily). You will of course sometimes be right. But you are not always right. FriendFeed?
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann: I was right about FriendFeed. It's just that Twitter and Facebook are now going to turn into FriendFeed. Just watch. Twitter's new RT feature looks a LOT like FriendFeed's likes.
- Robert Scoble
Eoghann: but I get where you're going. By the way, 50,000+ followed me here. So, something about FriendFeed was interesting enough to sign into it.
- Robert Scoble
well, you certainly helped make it interesting. But at first, I didn't really understand it's value proposition vis-a-vis Facebook. And now, with things like ping.fm, is it's value really that much? Not sure - I mainly use it for the tray functionality so I can keep up with you, Mrinal, and Danny. Otherwise, I'd completely get behind your posts.
- Arthur Coleman
Arthur: FriendFeed's value is static, while the others are rolling out new features. So, for me, it's better to bet on Facebook or Twitter. But FriendFeed will be better for things like live conversations or real time search for quite some time.
- Robert Scoble
I love FriendFeed. But I don't recommend it to everyone else. For a lot of my offline friends Facebook is a better fit. Again I come back to the fact it's not one size fits all.
- Eoghann Irving
I prefer accessing Google Reader via feedly.
- Nils Sandin
Well I tend to miss many important things on twitter.. not my fault. .. time zones differ and so do the times articles are published and linked on twitter ... On my google reader they always stay .. i can check them when i want .. so twitter better than GR? .. yes for breaking news .. not for general articles ..
- Amit
Amit: on Twitter they always stay too. It's just that Twitter has a lot more flow. But now with lists you can cut down the flow.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I agree they stay. but it is not difficult to lose them in all the tweet flow. i know lists allows you to cut down the flow, but not if lists has many twitters added to it. I want to read what you write more than what you share and I do not want to miss those articles. Google Reader will always remain my first preference for that..
- Amit
Google Reader certainly is trying to become more social, but for me too the experience is an awful lot like keeping up with email - needs daily management, pruning, to get information out of it. I freak out thinking I've missed an article, therefore dread trying to keep up with reader. I get that using Twitter makes news reading about the here and now, and frankly if it's important it will be tweeted for days to come. I think the notion of getting news from Twitter is a good one, particularly with lists.
- Mark Aitken
And for the record, I'm keeping off Wave until it feels less like email too. Currently it's a very messy and exhausting experience to use.
- Mark Aitken
Twitter with Lists has become my defacto RSS reader.
- Rubin
Just opened my co twitter account & was invited to "create list", I like the way you have broken it down!! I might just organize mine this way, to also include, clean energy, smartgrid, energy management etc. Thanks for a great post!!
- John Tastad
Amit: again, if you use lists you DO NOT HAVE TWEET FLOW!!! How can I make you guys understand this? Make a list with five people on it. Your flow will go to nothing.
- Robert Scoble
finally got lists. looking forward to seeing what the buzz is all about.
- Bill Kinney
still waiting on lists... am not in love with GR... folder heirachy and speed drive me nuts...
- andy
Got list!! It's gonna make organizing specific followers by categories so much better and following specific tweets easier!! Customized information at your finger tips..
- Angels In Action
Twitter lists might make me change my mind. but for now, google reader is where I get all my news.
- Bob Blunk
from BuddyFeed
Is your issue against google reader or rss feed readers in general? I find my rss reader is an invaluable resource to get great information
- Pavan
I think it depends where on the wave of info you want to be. I want to create it, others will ride it. I find the stories with tools in addition to reader, then distribute them via Twitter, Facebook, etc. Hopefully, first then others on those social services will find them interesting and talk about them, distribute them and retweet them. If your content with the crowd being a filter for you, I think your right on.
- Andrew Acomb
from iPhone
Robert I just the funny thing you do not like anything Google does this days, I am actually starting to wonder if you are Anti them. First you hate Google Wav even though their are not enough people on in yet to make it worthwhile and now Reader. I really wonder sometimes.
- Rob Cairns
this is totally off the subject, but i have been noticing more and more heavy hitters on Posterous: is there something i'm missing....i just don't know if i can keep up with yet another social networking site, but am i missing out?
- Steve Borgman
Someone please wake me up when people stop grafting their hopes and dreams on Posterous, a me-too blogging tool with some novel shortcuts to author.
- Carter Rabasa
The trust in brand web sites is interesting - esp. given their control by the marketer. I wonder if it is increasing due to more use of recommendations on the site?
- andy
"Thanks for that data point. I have a hard time believing that ATT is paying a $400 subsidy. Wow. Shows the value of the monopoly they have on the iPhone to them"
- Fred Wilson
It restricts consumer choice and prevents competitive pricing at a network level. So, yes. But that doesn't mean it is illegal. Distribution is a key marketing and business strategy and they are using it for all it is worth. That is their right.
- andy
They both consist of a series of online written webpage messages, often including comments, an RSS feed, trackbacks, and categorization. If a lifestream includes all the features of a blog, how is it not a blog? Blogging is dead, long live blogging.
- Mike Chelen
Is there a contest somewhere to see who can ask the silliest social media questions? A blog and a lifestream are two different tools. They can interact with each other, but not really replace each other.
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
it depends on what their blogs are. Blogs are the place to write longer form pieces that simply don't work well in most lifestreaming apps - and I really like longer form pieces. The bitesize chunks in lifestreaming tend to accentuate the superficial too easily.
- felix
Until Tumblr came along, there was no distinction about what a blog should be versus a lifestream. Just because a traditonal blog platform isn't necessarily optimized for it doesn't mean a blog on Blogger or WordPress couldn't be used as a lifestream. Really it comes down to what the content is that is being lifestreamed. So if you want to separate them, fine. And if your lifestream is...
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- Jason Clarke
from email
I think most people should. Me for instance, cannot keep my blog updated with any regularity. I guess, in the end that means that blogging (or writing long-form text) was just not my thing. So you are right, that for normal people, who are more "consumers" than "producers", should definitely kill their blogs (I don't know about life-streaming, though) :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Isn't blogging part of one's lifestream? Lifestream is a sum of your activities. Blogging is one of your activities.
- Matt Soreco
I now use my blog to publish new content, lifestreaming for links and personal updates. Makes my life easier.
- Tommy Keene
Do both. I agree with feeding your blog (referring to a blog that is about a specific area of expertise) to your lifestream and letting your audience choose which one they would like to follow. It depends if your audience is interested in only your specialized content and not necessary curious about your personal life or opinion on other topics.
- Mike Smith
I think it's a sad state of affairs when people want to talk about whether or not they should "life stream." How about just living your life and getting over yourself?
- Dawn
Dawn, Lifestreaming isn't always about being a narcissist although many use it that way. It's also about the power of curating the vast content of the web to share with others. And for the record for those that may not have read my post. I disagree with killing your blog.
- Mark Krynsky
I only lifestream (through FF). My Friendfeed is also used as the closest thing I have to a regularly updated blog. It's a combo of both, but more lifestream. I want to republish it in paper form. I recently stopped keeping up the paper journals I had written daily for about 15 years in favor of recording everything electronically. Lifestreams probably won't kill blogs. Other stuff will.
- Kamilah Gill
I'm one that finds it simpler and less engaging to use a lifestream versus a blog. However, I guess it would also depend on how much content someone actually needs to write. For short submissions lifestreams are great, but I can't imagine trying to frequently read 500+ word posts on FriendFeed.
- Xavion Saltair
Xavion, what makes reading a long post in Friendfeed more difficult than on any other platform?
- Mike Chelen
No. Some folks like "broadcasting". Others like "publishing". Others like streaming. All converge here. And use varies according to purpose.
- andy
you have to look at the families situation. No money and going against the best lawyers money can buy. In a trial they would have lost, so why not have the child set for life? If it was my child there would have been no money or trial. The person that molested him/her would...
- James Reeves
I only wish. Arrogant, yes. Fall, no.
- andy
from Bookmarklet
Yep - their arrogance and win at all costs mentality is unsurpassed. Its a shame because there is some pure genius in that team - a fall would do them good but sadly I dont see it happening in this series...
- Emma Ferns
and not against a seriously weakened NZ side...
- andy
It's amazing how bad most tech companies do when it comes to PR. By the way, I laid out the best advice I ever gave on this topic back in 2003: http://scoble.weblogs.com/2003... what did I say there? Talk to the grassroots first. That is why I use Twitter and FriendFeed. That's where the grassroots are.
- Robert Scoble
I deal with this every day when I talk to NY firms. It's frustrating that they think they only way to get through to people is either cute videos or TV ads. Why don't we just ASK our customers what they want?
- Tyler Hurst
Great write-up. Surprised that you mentioned Techcrunch over Mashable. In fact, you didn't mention Mashable at all..! Any particular reasons for that?
- K N Ajit Narayan
KN Mashable isn't nearly as influential as Techcrunch is, most of my friends don't mention it. Mashable is switching to a Twitter news network, too, which makes them influential on Twitter, but not overall. Mike really has owned the tech news space and continues to do so.
- Robert Scoble
K N: also, note, I was riffing off of the New York Times article that mentioned TechCrunch and not Mashable. There's a reason for that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, also keep in mind that most of your friends are in Silicon Valley. Mashable is very talked about on the East Coast. I think it's definitely worth considering, personally.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: exactly. Notice that Brooke Hammerling lives in New York. Even SHE doesn't talk about Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, good point - regardless, people always end up looking to Silicon Valley for their news.
- Jesse Stay
Isn't this more general than PR? The main point, as I got it, was about cynicism. Isn't any communication of opinion, whether cynical or not, contributing to the multi-faceted picture that people get of ... well, anything that we want to hear about?
- John W Lewis
Jesse: I thought Pete Cashmore even moved to SF to cover Silly Valley more.
- Robert Scoble
BTW Robert, welcome to the UK! Hope to see you tomorrow.
- John W Lewis
Mike: traffic does NOT equal influence. I can have more influence than you have by having just one reader. Think about it. If Obama read me and you had 1000 "normal" readers, who has more influence?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, is he in Silicon Valley now? Interesting. Sounds like he needs to be networking more then.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I've watched both work. Mike digs for news more and is more tied into the VC infrastructure here, which gets him more news.
- Robert Scoble
I know when I tried to talk to him I was practically ignored, even though it was about a common client. Not that it would have had any effect on influence. I've just had a better impression of Arrington, personally.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I agree that TC still has more influence but still, Arrington can't be happy about that trend line on Compete.com.
- Mike Doeff
Mike: Mashable is outplaying Techcrunch on Twitter and Mashable is better at writing articles that get Google page rank, like reviews of lots of products. That doesn't equal news influence, but does get traffic. I also think Arrington also made a huge mistake deleting his FriendFeed account (FriendFeed is a top three traffic driver for me already).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why did Arrington delete his FriendFeed account? You are right about Mashable. On Twitter, one gets the impression that Mashable is more popular than Techcrunch. But that may not hold true elsewhere.
- K N Ajit Narayan
K N: He got mad at the "mob" that formed here after his fight with Leo Laporte and deleted his account. Repeat after me, popularity does NOT equal influence.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington like like a nice guy. Yes, popularity does NOT equal influence. LoL
- K N Ajit Narayan
The chance that an individual will be sufficiently interested in something to pass it on and, thereby, create a mob effect depends on many factors (and, surely, these have been well studied?). Presumably, something must be significant, remarkable (literally), relevant, and so on. The source of the thing has an effect, I guess, in terms of credibility, reach, etc.. And for the original...
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- John W Lewis
Yeah, I always used to tell people they could get more great PR by going to parties at conferences (or better yet, throwing them) than they could get with a big expensive PR firm. When I was a big fancy magazine editor I would habitually filter out any incoming messages from big PR firms, since they were usually content-free at best, and BS-laden at worst. People who I met at parties had way better stories, rumors, and other intell for me than PR flacks!
- Fred Davis
I used to work for a technology consulting firm. Many new client relationships originated from conversations with people in neighbouring seats on flights. We often suggested dropping the advertising and giving everyone a free trip once a month!
- John W Lewis
John & Fred - yes and more yes. Talking to people is remarkably effective. Who knew?
- Tyler Hurst
The NY Times story was terribly unflattering. I can't blame Ms. Miller - some of the voices quoted were the antithesis of what I've aspired to be. If that's what she's experienced, we as a profession need to take a serious step back and re-evaluate our purpose. I was so peeved I spent my 4th trying to craft a reasonable response. (http://bit.ly/113wnu). So much for BBQs.
- AllisonWagda
Hacks continue to paint flacks as they are. But that these flacks represent what is going on in the industry and the sea change afoot couldn't be farther from the truth.
- andy
Robert - really didn't like how you generalized PR people in your article. Further, the reality is there are very few people in Silicon Valley at all who actually know anything about taking products to the real mainstream. Very, very few.
- Jeremy Toeman
Let's not overgeneralize about Valley PR people then. There are plenty that know lots about taking products to the mainstream (Margit at Outcast being one of them).
- andy
from email
Outcast was the sole voice of reason quoted in that story.
- AllisonWagda
That article was PR for Brew and looks like it worked. It wasn't about PR.
- Shahin Khan
Classic NY article on the goings-on in CA, completely missing the boat. Btw did anyone notice that most of the NYT Sunday was about California? Happy coincidence or something else?
- anna sauce
I disagree. Was definitely about Brew but also pretended to understand the new art and science of PR.
- andy
from email
You are right but it was Brew's agenda. No different than other pieces that cover a topic but sell a product. And who's to say that wasn't part of the strategy? (To be that bad.) That's giving too much credit probably. Of course it should have been a tweet and save me a bunch of time (and still annoy me!)
- Shahin Khan
Would have been much better to have spent time on War & Peace
- andy
from email
I read that NYT article along with the Arrington's article, my jaws dropped at first, but I do get some of the pt. not 2 original post link: http://ff.im/4SVFw... I forgot to note, sounds so tongue and cheeky, doesn't it?
- polou/indigo_bow
There's an issue that's not covered here, in Arrington's piece or the original NYTimes story, namely that just as PR firms have to change the way they work, tech companies have to adjust their expectations as well. A lot of companies are stuck in the mindset of the "Big Bang" launch, where you put out your news and suddenly you get tons of attention all at once. That's just not how the...
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- Kevin Pedraja
love these fonts... although it took me an hour to figure out how to load them in Vista... (and no I never read teh Help on any Microsoft product properley...who does?)
- Andy M Rhodes
XP had a better font load feature. Glad you like them.
- andy
I left a comment on the posterous site, but I have to say: I don't like the posterous commenting system very much. It doesn't appear to be threaded, and it links to my _posterous_ profile rather than letting me specify what to link to. My posterous profile only shows my posterous content. That kind of walled garden is annoying in 2009.
- DGentry
Actually, you can add any site you want if you log out of your Posterous account. I agree though, it needs threaded comments. I will relay that back to them when I see the Posterous team this week.
- Steve Rubel
from email
I'd prefer to not have to log out of my posterous account, but I guess thats a viable alternative. If you're meeting with them soon, one other suggestion of something to talk about: I added links to my profile with rel="me". Their site removed the rel=me, and surprisingly did not add rel="nofollow". In fact none of the links on my posterous have a nofollow. Thats their choice of course, but aren't they concerned about spambots automating creation of posterous accounts in order to harvest pagerank?
- DGentry
I just tried it, creating a new posterous from a different email account. I was able to include links to arbitrary sites, without a nofollow. This could be automated easily. If someone attempted to do this on a large scale posterous would surely notice, but nonetheless spambots might try it.
- DGentry
I submitted the observations about nofollow as feedback on the posterous site. I also submitted a request to allow rel="me", as it seems harmless.
- DGentry
thanks for sharing... been looking for something like this for my iPhone.
- andy
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