Nervous? Nah, you americans probably handle being in the limelight and speeches etc. much better than us isolated and nocturnal norwegians ;) but truth be told, I only seriously got the jitters half an hour before she came up the aisle of the church.
- Thomas Bøhm
from iPhone
Nervous, excited, stressed, ready for it to be done...all of the above. :) Going to be a long week. Can't wait for all the family and friends to get here.
- Alex Scoble
Is it a one day affair or a weekend with several parties ?
- Thomas Bøhm
We have bachelor bowling for the gents and Zoo Lights for the ladies on Thursday, rehearsal dinner on Friday and then the real deal on Saturday.
- Alex Scoble
The most important thing IMO... keep reminding yourself to settle down and enjoy the time/events/people who show up. It's such a crazy whirlwind when it's all going on you've got to focus on not letting it just wash over you. During the reception, Al and I would find each other and center ourselves to make sure we would be able to soak it in. It's the best.
- SAM
If your buddies are anything like mine: Keep control of the wine flow to that part of the table ! "Funny" comments during your speech is not what a nervous groom needs:) Anyway, after the speech it was a delightful evening where everything was arranged for us and I didn´t have to worry about anything. Doesn´t happen often.
- Thomas Bøhm
Yes! Set your brother to ustream it :)
- Thomas Bøhm
thats a great way to showcase the wedding ,, well done .. congrats and best wishes ..
- johnpiercy
I'm so happy for you, Alex. I would tune in for ustream but I have a feeling your whole crew will have a lot going on that day. :) Congratulations!
- Holly Rae, FFer
Job search question: If you were about to graduate from an engineering program, would you consider going to Afghanistan, as a civilian?
- Kevin L
John, I don't know what kind of travel destinations. Kevin, I personally wouldn't but I think that's a decision that would vary greatly from person to person.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It just hit me, we "won" WWI and WWII right? How come we have fuck all to show for it? Our borders haven't changed in 200 years. We won 2 big wars, we should have gotten.....SOMETHING out of it. I think that's why we started chasing our tails and getting whooped in Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, Grenada, and Iraq. We some how forgot the point...
The bigger question: Was WWI renamed after WWII?
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Mona, yep. World War I used to be called the Great War.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Good to know. Thanks, Akiva! And Matthew -- there will always be fight for power.
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
We got long periods of peace and prosperity. We don't need any more land.
- LogEx
So becoming a super power is nothing? Good to know...
- Johnny Worthington
It just seems to me, if we're not willing to plant a flag and start passing out the Levi's and Nike's - we shouldn't start killing their leaders.
- Matthew DeVries
We actually did get things. We have bases in both Germany and Japan. Now in the middle east as well. Don't need to actually take over the countries or "Fund" them, just have the ability to attack anyone anywhere when we choose, so everyone else has to play nice with us.
- CW™
Multinational corporations don't need wars to pass out the Levis and Nikes
- Alex Scoble
We don't have Levi's and Nike's. Those are from Mexico and China.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Convention Schmention.. we don't need no stinking agreements...
- CW™
Let's not forget Alaska and Hawai'i, and the territories of Palmyra Atoll, Puerto Rico etc.
- LogEx
You also don't need typhoons when you are blowing up the Germans either
- Johnny Worthington
And when I say "We" I mean the whole allied bloc - The US, UK, France, Canada (No one ever realizes that only the Canadians completed every single D-Day objective given to them), Australia, etc. Well I guess France and Poland got something, in that they got their countries back. But the UK somehow in the aftermath lost EVERYTHING, lands that no bad guy during the course of the war ever even looked at. How the hell did that happen?
- Matthew DeVries
You know what we have to show for winning WWII? Jews, homosexuals, and gypsies still left alive. That's what we got. Not good enough for you? Tough shit.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow , this is what I am missing for not being subscribed to this quality feed, damn.
- Joe
We also attained several very smart German and Jewish scientists that helped build several items for us. Some would say information is more valuable then land. Cause then you have to defend the land.
- CW™
Hey, Hitler hated the Catholics as much as the homosexuals and more than the gypsies, not as much as the Jews.
- Matthew DeVries
We saved a bunch of people who asked us to help in WWl and ll. Never saw the point in any of the other "police actions."
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
World War I and II were not 'police actions'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I still think it set a precedent, that it was ok to go to war without bringing your flag with you, so if you're not liberating an ally and you're not there there to take the place, why are you there?
- Matthew DeVries
I didn't say World WARs l and ll were police actions.Korea was, and so I consider the ones that followed.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
m9m, your phrasing 'any of the OTHER "police actions"' implied that you considered the World Wars to be grouped with the 'police actions'. My misunderstanding.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I wonder if Vietnam would have gone better if instead of spinning and selling the war, Johnson had just said "We are doing this only because we are trying to impede the expansion of Russia and China"
- Matthew DeVries
How can you consider Korea to be a police action? We were defending a country from an invading force.
- Alex Scoble
Because that is what the legislation that paid for it called it Alex.
- Matthew DeVries
We were in Korea because it was in our best interests to work with the newly founded UN. Also we got the ability to have military in the area. Same for Vietnam.
- CW™
Anyhow wars haven't always been about expansion. The colonial powers routinely had wars against pirates for instance.
- Alex Scoble
One mans Pirates were others traders or militia
- CW™
Yeah, right...When you forcibly take over ships flying a different flag without provocation, you're a pirate.
- Alex Scoble
But if you look at the Allies as a whole, USA, Canada, Australian borders didn't change. UK and France were made to give up their entire holdings outside of Europe (sans the Falklands). How is that a win? Germany meanwhile, who "lost" got to keep Prussia?
- Matthew DeVries
What if your paid by another country to do so, but are a privately owned. Then you are a Privateer.
- CW™
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
- Alex Scoble
Hegemony doesn't need explicit colonization these days.
- Andrew C
from Android
I know what we got... 60+ years of self-sustaining military-industrial complex, and the commercialization of killing, *cough* Blackwater *cough*
- LogEx
I can tell you what my grandparents would say you got: gratitude for saving the world from Hitler. Also, I dare you to tell a WWII vet that he fought for nothing. Better yet, tell a European Jew that the US and the allies were fighting for "nothing" in WWII. Let me know how those conversations go.
- Eoghan Sullivan
from iPhone
What the U.S. got out of the two world wars was world hegemony. No, the U.S. didn't gain any territory, but the combined wars destroyed the British, French, Japanese, and nascent German empires. That left the US and USSR as the last remaining world powers, and the USSR was severely weakened from World War II. Subsequent wars in East Asia, the Middle East, and Latin America are simply...
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- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Umm...I'd like to request you remove the UK from this 'WE didn't get anything' discussion because I think quite a lot of people would disagree there, and find it insulting - like I do (especially now, given the last British veteran of both those wars died this year). Just because 'we' didn't get anything tangiable doesn't mean 'we' didn't get anything at all. WWII wasn't about gaining...
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- Amy
I didn't mean to offend Amy, only that I think there'd be more stability and peace today, had the UK been allowed to keep it's holdings, especially in the Middle East.
- Matthew DeVries
From what I've gathered from my college history class on foreign relations, the UK was not forced to give up its territories, at least not in Asia. The locals were simply tired of being part of an empire. And the Middle East was carved up during and after WWI by Woodrow Wilson and the British and French PM's of the time. Interestingly, Ho Chi Minh was in Paris in 1919, trying to get the...
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- Kevin L
But I agree that America's wars have often been about expansion, though in this century it's been about expanding influence without all the hassle of allowing the conquered people a voice in our government.
- Kevin L
Option: "For marriage to stop existing as a government institution, just replace it altogether with civil union. And let marriage remain only a religious ceremony" - http://www.reddit.com/r...
Technically, religious and civil unions are separate. Someone can have a religious union but only live together common-law. And the opposite is true. You can be civilly joined but there doesn't have to be a religious union. In practice, of course, the two are commonly entangled because we lack a true separation of church and state.
- Jason Huebel
Would we have a need for legal marriage constructs without personal income tax?
- Kevin L
Legally recognised marriage is about much more than income tax. It includes spousal rights to medical decisions, inheritance, home ownership, support and alimony, a bunch of stuff. I think civil marriages should be available to everyone. Optional religious ceremonies would be performed (or refused) by the church.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
"The two children chosen to front Richard Dawkins’s latest assault on God could not look more free of the misery he associates with religious baggage. With the slogan “Please don’t label me. Let me grow up and choose for myself”, the youngsters with broad grins seem to be the perfect advertisement for the new atheism being promoted by Professor Dawkins and the British Humanist Association. Except that they are about as far from atheism as it is possible to be. The Times can reveal that Charlotte, 8, and Ollie, 7, are from one of the country’s most devout Christian families."
- Glenn Slaven
from Bookmarklet
Wouldn't the fact that they are from a devout Christian family actually be better for the message?
- Brian Sullivan
Not sure how, they aren't being 'left to choose' ,they're being raised Christian, and yet at least look happy. Not sure that's the message Dawkins wanted
- Glenn Slaven
Isn't the ad directed at Christian (or other religious) parents? Shouldn't the kids being displayed represent their children?
- Brian Sullivan
Many children look and act happy before they realize that Santa Claus doesn't really exist...
- Jemm
Kids that age don't really get the idea of a deity anyway. Just like they don't get that Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny don't really exist. Parents can teach children this young to say certain common phrases of their particular religious beliefs, but until the children are a bit older they're just parroting their parents anyway.
- Jason Huebel
what? no Santa? liar - the Grinch must have put you up to saying that . . .
- William Harryman
LOL. Also, if the guy didn't want his kids on a bumper sticker promoting religious choice, he shouldn't have put his children's pictures in a stock photo gallery.
- Jason Huebel
BTW, atheist or not, this phrase should irk parents: “The message is that the labelling of children by their parents’ religion fails to respect the rights of the child and their autonomy. We are saying that religions and philosophies — and ‘humanist’ is one of the labels we use on our poster — should not be foisted on or assumed of young children.” Children this age are not and should...
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- Jason Huebel
i'll still love my kids just the same no matter how their beliefs eventually shake out.
- Joe Silence is not dead
My headline would be "One of England's most devout Christian families pimps images of their children to atheist movement"
- Matt G
People, Dawkins is a Humanist, not an Atheist. He says so himself. And why pass judgment on anyone involved. Maybe this "devout Christian family" knew the marketing agency or even the designer.
- Kevin L
to alot of the Ultra-Right Super Christians of my acquaintance (i live in Texas, they're like mosquitoes here), there's no difference between a Humanist and an Atheist. alot of them also believe global warming is a myth.
- Joe Silence is not dead
The Lowe's commercial that came up on Hulu was the worst, most confusing ad I've ever seen. There were two buttons that took you to Lowe's page, and an embedded video that didn't auto play! I didn't realize there was a play button until I was thoroughly frustrated.
Watching it (again) tonight.!!! And very possibly tomorrow as well.
- Roberto Bonini
+1 on Josh's assessment. Best Star Trek movie of the franchise, with Wrath of Khan being a close second.
- Jason Huebel
We have it right now and have watched it three times this week. Love it! Have you seen the special features, making of and gag reel? They are great!
- Martha
Haven't watched them yet. I bought the three-disc Bluray edition, but only watched the movie.
- Jason Huebel
Watch out for the plot holes bigger than William Shatner's ego!
- Kevin L
better on third viewing.... than on the first :)
- Roberto Bonini
I was surprised at how much I liked it when I first saw it two weeks ago.
- Jim Hearts FF
Definitely better on third viewing.... good stuff, but Khan is way wicked awesommerest.
- Adrian
from Android
Now I bet you wish you saw it in the theatre.
- CW™
CW, even though my 52" tv is badass, I did have that exact thought.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
"Oh, those boots look like they’re made for more than just walking when you pair them with those gold spandex….shazaam!"
- Jason Huebel
from Bookmarklet
Brizzly's explanation of the New Moon trend: Users are tweeting about the conspiracy theory that the moon was destroyed by NASA, and that a New Moon is being constructed at lighting speeds. Also by some extreme coincidence there is also a film by the same name that is rather popular. Controversially, the new moon will be named Montana, after the...
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah Wittman
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah Wittman
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah Wittman
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah Wittman
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah Wittman
Darn - 0.52. I guess I need to say why I like something a little more often :-) Liking this thread because I was wondering the same thing recently. Has anybody worked out the average from the numbers here? </islazy>
- Andy Bold
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81)
- Micah Wittman
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah Wittman
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah Wittman
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah Wittman
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah Wittman
0.89 (17818/19913) (Somebody better make a cool ass graph of all this data!)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
OK, so statistically, what ratio results in better interaction on FF?
- Jason Huebel
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah Wittman
So I'm fairly balanced, it appears. I would imagine it's because I try to comment on every post I like. That's not always true, obviously. But mostly it is.
- Jason Huebel
Just clicking "Like" seems too easy. I feel like I should say something, too.
- Jason Huebel
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah Wittman
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah Wittman
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel!
- Micah Wittman
1.09 (9990/9105) From and including: Saturday, April 26, 2008 To and including: Thursday, November 12, 2009 It is 566 days from the start date to the end date, end date included Or 1 year, 6 months, 18 days including the end date to reach 10,000 comments.
- Christopher Harley
A while ago in my AP Chemistry class, this one annoying kid and my friend were having a weird argument about who was better... - http://mylifeisaverage.com/story...
"...The annoying kid said, "Well, at least I have a girlfriend!" to which I responded, "Whatever. Your girlfriend has 67 protons." In response, the entire class, including the teacher, turned their heads to look at the periodic table on the wall. The element with 67 protons is holmium, with the chemical symbol "Ho." My teacher was the first to laugh. MLIA"
- LogEx
"A Canadian teenager has been rescued unharmed, apart from minor frostbite, after drifting for almost three days on an ice floe together with two polar bear cubs and the carcass of their mother which he shot in self defence. The 17-year-old, who was named locally as Jupi Nakoolak, was suffering from hypothermia after the temperature fell below -15C, but was otherwise well, conscious and speaking to his rescuers, who crawled across ice floes to reach him. Nakoolak told them he shot the adult bear when it came too close, and then got as far away as possible on the ice from the cubs, which remained with the body."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
Trying. So far not going that well. The Dell prep disk uninstalled my network drivers, then I couldn't figure out how to make it create a new partition. Now I think I have 2 installs.
- Alix Whitmire
from iPhone
I just installed next to XP on my netbook
- Kevin L
Yeah, I dunno why, but the "new" in the partition part was grayed out for me. Maybe I needed to format first? Or that Dell creates 2 partitions before you even get to Windows. Everything seems fine now except that I only have 230gb free of 283 with nothing on here but Win7 and Chrome even after deleting the old Windows installs with the cleanup utility.
- Alix Whitmire
A system partition is created that eats up a chunk of HDD space, so that would account for the missing space. Also, the first install of Win7 professional I attempted the New was greyed out, I started over and for some reason it was there. As I understand it, if not IDE1 you may have some problems with creation of a new partition.
- jcunwired
So have all the geeks left FriendFeed? Reply to this post with where you feel you fall - 'geek' or 'non-geek'. :-) EDIT: I think that's pretty clear, the geeks have *not* left FriendFeed. :-)
a carnival performer who does disgusting acts eccentric: a person with an unusual or odd personality , or an individual with a passion for computers, to the exclusion of other normal human interests. I assume we are using the last definition?
- Brian Sullivan
Geek, but not in terms of tech, rather comic books, etc. :)
- Derrick
You hand in your ticket...And you go watch the geek...Who immediately walks up to you...When he hears you speak...And says, "How does it feel...To be such a freak?"...And you say, "Impossible"...As he hands you a bone
- Greg Guitarbuster
Geek, of course. That's why I don't fit in on other social networks.
- April Russo (app103)
Nerd and Proud™! (which should count as geek)
- Marco Fabbri
@Marco Fabbri: Nerd != Geek. In SML Dictionary, Nerds have no fashion sense and can't talk to people, Geeks generally have a fashion sense and can carry on a conversation relatively ok; nerds usually wear white t-shirts and white sneakers; Geeks generally wear black t-shirts and black sneakers. A classic example: Nerd = Bill gates; Geek = Steve Jobs!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
depends on what we are geeking out about. if we're talking about music, shoes, spinning, dyeing, yarn, german history, b movies and zombies- then ubergeek.
- Mary Carmen
geek, but not the tech type of geek, more like a geeky nerd
- William Harryman
Geek in some respects. Non geek in others. So...semi geek
- Tamara
from iPhone
left as not "left" but they kinda abandoned it/reduced the usage
- ffcode
@See-ming Lee that is indeed controversial. Anyway as choice was given between geek and non-geek I meant some degree of nerd counts as geek.
- Marco Fabbri
@Marco Fabbri Well I think that all geeks are nerds, but all nerds != geeks. I believe that Set(Geek) includes Set(Nerd) but this is a question I have been thinking about for years now and I don't yet have a conclusion yet. But at least that's where I'm at now!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
healing my wounded inner geek. i went freak for a while, then artsy-hipster... keeping hints of those, but the foundation is looking mighty geek.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
The way I look at it, most of my friends primarily use Facebook OR Twitter. A few use both, and a few have YouTube Accounts. They don't read RSS feeds or use Google Reader or Digg or StumbleUpon. Therefore, non-geeks cannot see the benefits of this aggregation power (anyone agree or not?)
- Nathan Snyder
Proof that geeks have NOT left FriendFeed? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Non-geek being converted by the boyfriend.
- Nurse Katie
For me it's the real-time stream and real-time notifications. Search won't be interesting until I can get notifications of search in real-time.
- Jesse Stay
It's like a never ending party, you can slip in an out of any conversation at anytime, and just have amiable discussions with people, every once in a while a topic turns sour, but it's not often.
- Jimminy
The tech and politics discussion. The great apps and sites always being posted news and the one stop shop for news from everywhere. And it all happens as you watch it. Great way to bookmark/organize things.
- Schadenfreude
I agree with Jimminy. I use FF for the conversations and people on it. You can find alot more interesting people on FF as opposed to twitter through the "Friends of Friends" discovery.
- Bryan Lee
I can open it up, takes a news bath, get turned on to everything cutting edge, source answers to problems and chat around the water cooler. I can spend time reading or interacting in different %'s and still feel I'm having a great experience.
- SAM
no spam. no client software needed. lists. you can edit your typos. no mafia wars. real-time. awesome people.
- Mike Nencetti
For me, it's the way they enabled serendipitous discovery of content and people (via FoaF). It's something that almost no other social service has gotten right.
- Carter Rabasa
+1 for Carter. I agree with Jimminy, but I think the point Carter made is a big reason why I've found so many interesting conversations and met so many interesting FriendFeeders.
- Curtiss Grymala
It's the "hidden feature" that you never see on all those other would-be successors to FriendFeed (Postereous, etc).
- Carter Rabasa
I find it far more engaging. I like the real-time stream, the multi-channel distribution of content. And the people are more interesting.
- Gail Helmer
I agree with, and every comment above applies to me. In addition, and it's not the end-all-be-all as a collaboration tool, but it reduces friction between going from zero connection between people to actually working together on a common interest.
- Micah Wittman
Real time Web, reach people who use ff mostly and engaging with them
- Cagan Caglar
from iPhone
The conversations, sharing, and the quality of the information.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I think Jimminy is spot on with the party analogy. Posterous is more of a journal. They're complimentary. A party can give you something to write about, and a journal can give you something to chat about.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
the conversation...even forums aren't this good and we know blogs can't
- ffcode
Its the people I am subscribed to. Even the ones I don't agree with are smart, funny, and engaging.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
It's the real time updates, the people I'm subscribed to, and their posts.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
My boring, boring job. (plus the average FF user is Stephen Hawking compared to most hangouts on the intertubes)
- Lo doing much better
Real time search and updates. The UI. The API. But most of all, the people.
- Andrew Terry
I like talking trash to people occasionally and finding links. That's about it.
- orionstarr
i don't have any of "real" friend here. sad but true ;p
- zʍıɔ
The people - and the serendipitous discovery of the people! ++ Jiminy and Carter.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
The fact I can engage in actual conversations rather than catching bits of a conversation which is what I get on Twitter.
- Eoghann Irving
One nice thing about friendfeed is that it doesn't try to make you reveal what your real legal name is or how old you are or where you live, unlike a lot of social networking sites. You can be a Second Life avatar here and not have to worry that your account will be deleted as a result. The single level of indentation keeps the text from sliding to the right like it does in the poorly...
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- SuezanneC Baskerville
You don't have to reveal your real legal name or how old you are or where you live anywhere Suezanne. They might ask for it, but there is this thing called fibbing.
- Schadenfreude
Conversations, new people, the fact that you can consolidate all your social network streams here. Real-time updates. I love reading all the random people I don't know or have never heard of in FF conversations. And I use the FF bookmarklet to post here and simultaneously on Twitter. Oh yeah: did I mention the conversations?
- Dennis Jernberg
Conversations. On Twitter I just feel like I'm shouting at random strangers as they walk past. Here I can actually see the entire discussion.
- Eoghann Irving
Having this conversation brought back is reminding me of the one thing that sets FriendFeed apart. Recycling. Every like or comment pushes it back to the top, and more people see it. I really hope Facebook does that. It's what makes FF valuable to me.
- Jesse Stay
I like this part, "Even if you’re not going to start a startup right away. If you’ve been in your job for awhile, you should quit. Google was really comfortable. I knew all the people. It’s important to do things that will make you uncomfortable."
- imabonehead
I totally agree. Comfort leads to stagnation
- Kevin L
Quitting to be uncomfortable assumes that you have enough money to make it awhile without being paid, which many people don't.
- Robert Felty
I love what he said about how it's dangerous to believe that once one is done with school they can stop learning. Life is one big learning opportunity.
- April Buchheit
Robert, having enough money for sure helps. And, because it's reality and not a novel, one needs to be realistic and not romantic about one's chances. But many people, perhaps most, have more actual resources to draw upon than they think, so they talk themselves into keeping the life they have. Young "exceeds expectations" people with strong friendships, a little savings, and a lot of...
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- Daniel Dulitz
I've pretty much moved on whenever I've felt that there wasn't anything new to learn, or if I wanted to try something that couldn't be learned where I was. Getting comfortable somehow just doesn't seem right.
- Deepak Singh
I agree with Daniel. Money certainly helps but age is a bigger factor. It's easier to take risks and make mistakes when you've got a lot of time to make things right if they go wrong.
- Benjamin Golub
I can tell you from experience: NOT having enough money can be a powerful motivator.
- Hayes Haugen
I love FriendFeed but the fact that Bing and Google are making deals with Twitter and FriendFeed is yet another nail in why news makers will NOT support FriendFeed no matter how much we evangelize it. This is why if I were Paul Buchheit I'd spend every waking moment getting FriendFeed's feature set into Facebook as soon as possible.
A question: Does FriendFeed have to compete anymore? Is there any shame in coming 3rd or 4th? I know people who shoot with Fuji and Sony cameras, not because they are the best, but because they like it and it works for them.
- Johnny Worthington
But Robert - news makers have never supported Friendfeed--
- TechFuga
Good point. They don't bother since Fb owns Friendfeed. Remember, FF indirectly already has a deal with Bing becuase Fb has a deal with Bing. And FF is now indirectly owned by micrososft ( thier 15% stake in Fb, remember). I wouldn't worry so much.
- Roberto Bonini
FriendFeed won't win... but there is no reason it should not even run the race.
- Johnny Worthington
TechFuga: not true. I supported FriendFeed and I'm noticing a ton of action over on Twitter that, well, simply isn't happening here. http://twitter.com/scoblei... is just a taste.
- Robert Scoble
Roberto, I was going to make that point also. FF is no longer an independent site battling for market share. They are a technology proving ground for FB with a vibrant community. ;)
- Travis Koger
I finally removed the FriendFeed desktop notifier from my computer. It no longer updates in real time. It's a shame because it used to send me a notification within seconds of someone publishing on twitter or friendfeed - something that the desktop twitter clients couldn't even do because of Twitter API.
- joebrooks
Johnny: the problem is that FriendFeed is going to be just a niche player. It's certainly not the dream community I once dreamed of. Not saying it won't be fun, but already the home page isn't the kind of things I care about.
- Robert Scoble
And, Johnny, that realization is quite different than how I approached FriendFeed five months ago where I was demoing it to tech audiences around the world.
- Robert Scoble
Do you not think friendfeed still wins for easy conversations though? You still couldn't have done this on twitter. I hate trying to talk to people on Twitter.
- Simon Wicks
We are totally going to be niche... and I'm comfortable with that now. The coming issue which not many people talk about is the fact that all my social groups don't mix. I have 2 or 3 sets of friends, with different social norms and contexts. I like being in a few different places. Lumping them all on one service, and feeding them the different slices, is just to much trouble to manage for me.
- Johnny Worthington
Err, Robert. You just said "I once dreamed of". Sure everyone wanted FF to succeed, but not everyone saw it becoming the next facebook, myspace or twitter (or even google). Where FF is now does not detract from its awesomeness, does not give us an excuse to ignore it and it continues to be, for many of us, the social platform of the future. Your dreams arn't everyone elses' dreams.
- Roberto Bonini
Just a quick look at some of my lists and I notice that twitter in generally is about 6 minutes late, and sometimes are published out of order. Is that just my computer, or the same for everyone else? Being 6 minutes late to the conversation is not helpful.
- joebrooks
No, but I saw it as being more important than it is today, which if you are truthful, is not all that important. And, sorry, it's not the social platform of the future. It might be the best feature set of today, but remember Pownce? It had more features than Twitter and was a niche player like FriendFeed is. What happened to it?
- Robert Scoble
@Johnny, what if something like FB allowed you to categorize all your contacts into social groups... not just grouping them as you can now, but properly categorizing them and then determining which parts of your news feed is available to which category etc. I see the problem with FB contacts is that it is mostly the people you are really close to, which also dictates the type of...
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- Travis Koger
I don't think you're wrong... Owing to the overall decline in numbers and use, what you have been doing (and are doing now) is, in effect preaching to the choir. What I don't understand is why your so intent on telling them they are all going to hell.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul: it's part of my own grieving process. It's also just my personality. I invested a LOT of my career into FriendFeed and now I realize that it just isn't going to be what I was thinking it would be.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I appreciate that, and like a lot of other people I was right there with you... But at this point you are rubbing salt in the wound.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Robert, I would say you invested your time into the idea of what FriendFeed could be, and that gave the idea a far amount of weight. When people look back at history and speak of the move to a real time web, your name will feature amongst the players.
- Johnny Worthington
And for what its worth you and your brother are the reason I, and a lot of other people are here, so, some of this (this turn the whole thing is taking) is hard to watch.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Wrong choce of words there Robert. I meant, "platform" as in something you build on. This is a feature set to build upon in future social networks.
- Roberto Bonini
@Robert is FF becoming another Second Life: still alive but only for a few aficionados? FF is the tail of a long tail? :)
- Roldano De Persio of FF
@Robert I feel your pain Robert - how many of us in the industry have had that feeling about some technology or company we actually worked for years on. But who knows what Fb will do with FF yet - none of us can see the future in technology. Something game changing comes along and bang, an existin technoloy becomes useful aain
- Arthur Coleman
Simon: for now, yes, it does win at conversations. That's one thing I will keep using it for. But that's like a sub feature of these things and it's only a matter of time before Twitter does comments. Facebook already has comments that work pretty well (albeit not as well as FriendFeed).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert All that being said, I don't blame you one bit for needing to get it out of your system. Its just hard to watch.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul-Qahhar: yeah, but part of my brand is to tell the truth and not necessarily what you want to hear. I got a TON of shit from people on Twitter telling me to shut up about FriendFeed already. My brand is about what's next, not what is, and, I also live in public. Which means I'm a butthead sometimes and that's also part of my brand. :-)
- Robert Scoble
BTW. Robert, thanks. You made me write that letter :)
- Johnny Worthington
Roldano: if FriendFeed turns into Second Life (which is doing quite well, albeit without the hype) that would be very cool and probably the best possible outcome at this moment.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: that's why I keep telling you the way I see it. It might not be comfortable, but telling the truth ALWAYS builds stronger communities. Your letter demonstrates why.
- Robert Scoble
IF bret and paul are to be belived, FF is not being orphaned by Facebook. There are new servers in the works, some work has been done to the code etc. i doubt money would be spend on new servers if FF was being left to die. I'm sticking around till we see what paul was hinting at.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, saying new servers in FB world is just moving the FF code to a FB server. I don't think any money has been spent, just space/cpu provisioned on an already massive farm.
- Travis Koger
Still - its an investment in FF's continued life. And i doubt they would do that, much less tell us about it, unless they were comitted to FF.
- Roberto Bonini
FriendFeed can't die! Things are so easy to put into FF (Bookmarklet) that newsmakers don't have to make a huge effort to "support" it.
- Nathan Snyder
Roberto: Travis is correct. New servers are just Paul's way of saying that everything is moving over to Facebook's datacenter. I'm sure they got some new toys, though, and that will help speed a little bit (FriendFeed is a LOT slower lately than it was a year ago) but my friends at Facebook say that not much, if any, engineering time is being dedicated to FriendFeed specifically. But I've said enough about that part and can't wait to see what Paul shows me soon.
- Robert Scoble
would be good to organize persuasive reasons for FB to nurture development of FriendFeed in the pure form we enjoy today. Thinking there may be some $$ value just in terms of PR - both internal and external. What else beyond that? What might motivate Facebook to actively support more open-source development of the FriendFeed platform? Could it make good return on that investment as a monstrously successful good vibe buzz machine - "the next Mozilla project"?
- Dan Freeman
Dan: open source community projects haven't seemed to go very far. Look at identi.ca.
- Robert Scoble
true more often than not - some do - but no need get sidetracked debating open-source! The Big Question to brainstorm is: what pitch can Paul polish to persuade FB to sincerely support continued growth of standalsone "pure" FF project
- Dan Freeman
Dan: the deeper problem for Paul is, where can he make the biggest impact on the world? Working on FriendFeed or working on Facebook? If I were him I would be 100% working on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
FF can compete if news orgs can realize the benefits. Best way to do that is to see a competitor utilizing FF tools, gaining traffic, or doing something that makes others say "I want that."
- TheIndustryStandard
Another question for Paul: how can FF community help (even with the small but significant detail work - and bouncing spammers) ... what else?
- Dan Freeman
Robert, I agree, I can see a time when Facebook will be the equivalent of the telephone directory (white pages etc). Facebook is definitely where a difference can be made, especially with Paul's openness agenda.
- Travis Koger
"I would be 100% working on Facebook" - agree 100% - and Paul definitely has his work cut out for him there. Huge.
- Dan Freeman
Why is FaceBook so hard to like, it's laborious, filled with the wrong applications (Games like FARM, Friggin MAFIA) and is not simple in ease of use terms. I use it but find I spend too much time trying to figure where things are than actually get something done. I must have a learning disability I guess.
- Owen Greaves
Facebook is a nightmare when it comes usability. Looks like it was designed by a pack of monkeys with ADHD.
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
Yeah, college students. (p.s. I am one (a college student, not FB dev))
- Kevin L
I don't mind the 'design' of Facebook, it is relatively clean, however the UX is where it is let down.
- Travis Koger
Not sure I agree with you assessment. FF is a different animanl and integrating with FB is not something I need or want.
- Poka Yoke
from twhirl
IMO, fb needs to integrate ff feature set and provide much more fine grained control over privacy. I want to be able to have public, less public and private information. I want to be able to control who gets what information. For instance, if I share a funny link it's fine for anyone to get it including google/bing, but if I'm sharing my location info I might only want my family to be able to see that.
- John
News makers using twitter kills the news makers. I don't think friendfeed was ever about Newsmakers looking for a platform.
- Cjay
Cjay: every single newsmaker I know came here looking for it to be a new platform that would take Twitter on. RWW even used it to plan out their editorial in a private group here. When I choose a new platform I'm definitely looking to use it as a platform for newsmakers to discuss things. I saw FriendFeed as being a new kind of talk radio. Actually, what has captured everyone's interest...
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- Robert Scoble
The news makers platform is pure RSS. Twitter and friendfeed feels like the old belt clip pager from the 80's, a quick message here and there, but no way in hell that your going to convey any detail about any news using a platform like friendfeed or twitter.
- Cjay
RSS channels are the "WAVE" of the future. Everybody has a channel, Google wave is a small ripple in a big pond..Google should have never told anybody about it until it was finished. Companies have been using this idea anyway on internal Lan/vpn for years... and all of a sudden Google comes out with wave, like its some holy grail. Change Facebook to Friendbook and call it done.
- Cjay
I'll point out that today, FF features are in FB. The news stream is live (if you want it) I want the Status stream live, since I don't want apps in my stream and have made the status stream my default. FB is too cluttered, and the ads are pointless and annoying. I find FF far superior in terms of design, as I do Twitter, but I understand that ads are required for most websites to survive. I just wish that they would be nicer and less obtrusive (and that Friends would stop sending me Mafia Wars Requests)
- Nathan Snyder
"It's October 22nd 2009. It's Windows 7 Day! You can bet that many a PC user can barely contain their excitement about the opportunity to upgrade from XP and consign Vista to history's dustbin. Microsoft's got a suite of events and offers planned to get the lucky OS off to a swinging start around the globe (and let's briefly imagine what a monumental effort it takes behind the scenes to coordinate a World-wide launch like this). Here's what's going on."
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
I've been on 7 for a couple weeks. Hooray MSDNAA!
- Kevin L
Glenn, it did and that surge ebbed quickly which proved to me one thing: complicated or not, FriendFeed just isn't interesting to the average user.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The fact that people follow me anywhere is always alarming.
- Akiva Moskovitz
+ 1 to Derrick's reply. I didn't stop and I'm still here
- LANjackal
m9m, c'mon. It's fun every once in awhile to get all up in arms about something far out of the realm of your control. It can't be all LOLcats.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That is exactly it Akiva! I just love when someone declares shenanigans and we call get our brooms! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!
- Matthew DeVries
*under breath* this is the worst insane cult I've ever been a mindless part of.....
- Matthew DeVries
More popular than me :-/ Not sure that that really means much.
- Kevin L
Glenn: I don't think the Facebook purchase was responsible for the surge. A whole lot of the credit goes to Jason Pollock.
- Dennis Jernberg
It's great to see these FF threads explode again. Gives me hope for FF. We might even save it. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
As I've written many times before, when it comes to me prognosticating the dying of FriendFeed (note I never write that FriendFeed is already dead), I will be the happiest person on the Internet to be proven wrong and eat crow.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Clearly reports of FriendFeed's death are premature. Now (referring to another Scoble post http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... ) if only the former FriendFeed people now working for Facebook etc. would get a clue and start joining in...
- Dennis Jernberg
waiting for an Irish Wake thread ... hopefully can hang on until next Bloomsday for that one
- Dan Freeman
think there are still people who are unaware of friendfeed, that might check it out partly in response to everyone eulogizing it
- Mike Chelen
Whatever happens, I'm here until they lock me out.
- Jim Hearts FF
from iPhone
That's a good point. Community isn't about a place, but peeps.
- Sean Oliver
a rousing wake could be its' reincarnation
- Rich Reader
as they say, bad publicity is good publicity
- sofarsoShawn
5 things I refuse to apologize for: I'm thin; I drink girly mixed drinks or girly beer; I read romance novels; I don't like watching TV shows with a lot of graphic violence or violence against women (e.g. Criminal Minds); I can happily entertain myself all weekend with pointy sticks and pretty string. What are your five things?
1. I swear a lot. 2. I love girly things like shoes, hand bags, clothes and makeup. They make me immensely happy. 3. I hate talking on the phone 4. I will probably always see myself as fatter than I am. 5. After cancer my patience for drama, gossip, depression, complaining, whining, and problems that no one wants to solve has diminished greatly. I have much compassion, but I will hit a point where I can't do it anymore if nothing changes.
- Mary Carmen
1) No matter how bad the writing & how sexist & racist the stories are, I love old pulp magazines. 2) I love cheesy superhero comics. 3) I love all 6 Star Wars movies. 4) I like being indoors much more than outdoors. 5) I don't really like talking on the phone all that much.
- josh neff, geek at large
1. I'm fat. 2. I'm feminist. 3. I have no respect for authority qua authority. 4. I believe the future of communication, including textual communication, is mostly digital. 5. Cats rule, dogs drool.
- D0r0th34
1)I'm obsessive about my books. 2)I love animals and despise those who abuse them. 3)I'm hard-headed. 4) I don't fit in. 5) I'm nocturnal.
- Katy S
1. I play the bagpipes and wear a kilt. 2. I am a poet. 3. I am a Liberal. 4. I no longer drink or do drugs (not anti-drink or drug, just doesn't work for me). 5. I love the theatre.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
i dont know, i'll apologize for anything to avoid a fight and get the other person outta my face, :(
- chaz2b
I also refuse to apologize for: I love flirting; I get crushes very easily; I am politically & socially very liberal; I cry a lot.
- josh neff, geek at large
1. Im a shameless flirt. 2.I love confrontation. 3. I tend to not take things that are not life threatening very seriously, in the "Earth Will Stop Rotating Unless...." way. 4. I look at the positive side of every situation. 5. My libido tends to run wild.
- Mary Carmen
1. I will not apologize for my art. 2. I will not apologize for being a flirt 3. I will not apologize for being able to go from girly-girl to tomboy in the blink of an eye. 4. I will not apologize for making sailors blush (I can swear a lot when I get going) 5. I will not apologize for being slightly vain.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
1) I often have higher expectations of myself so that I can contain expectations of others. 2) I don't know how to "act the part" that the "surface" suggests that I "represent." 3) I prefer fiction in audiobook form. 4) I ran away. 5) I have seen every episode of Desperate Housewives (almost all of which on the night they first aired).
- Julian
1) i can't spell well 2)i suck at politics 3) i don't drink much 4) i like to ask questions its how i learn 5) i am who i am
- Sir Shuping
1. I love my sons more than anything else in the world 2. I don't like recieving gifts 3. I daydream a great deal 4. I loathe meetings 5. From any early age I've had a enormous enthusiasm for the female of the species
- RAPatton
from iPhone
1. I'm a total movie critic 2. I love fashion/beauty 3. I will try anything once 4. I'm picky 5. I can't be around grudge holders
- Shevonne
1. I'm sensitive to the needs of others, probably to a fault. 2. Am a hopelessly, unabashedly, unequivocally romantic 3. I feel everyone has some sense of worth and value even if they can't always see it themselves 4. Having struggled through a depression fraught with thoughts of suicide is one of those things that I'd like to put behind me 5. Meek and shy nerdy boys who know how to kiss melt my heart.
- Derrick
1. I believe Jesus is God and is totally awesome! 2. I'll lovingly but firmly tell you you're wrong no matter how you react. 3. I am very affectionate. 4. I talk nerdy. 5. I love calculus....
- Kevin L
1. I have unwaveringly high standards for (myself and) those w/ whom I interact on a daily basis (well, the whole world, really) 2. I don't do drama (see #1) 3. I'm both silly and serious 4. I'm earnest 5. What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?
- Ayşe E.
1. I'm no good at making lists. Oh, okay, and 2. I find it really hard to resist defending my favourite TV programmes: I love Criminal Minds because, even though a majority of the violence is against woman, it does a brilliant job of showing those women as humans and as agents in their own rescue; while also skewering, with sharp stabby things, any hint of victim blaming. --But certainly it's not to everyone's taste; I occasionally have to peek through my fingers myself.
- Deborah Fitchett
7. I believe in the immortality of the soul. 8. Silence rocks. Hard. 9. I love glamour, as observer and participant. 10. Ecstatic vision is possible. :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
1. I'm a pacifst. 2. I don't shave my legs. 3. I voted for Nader in 2000. 3. I do not like gaming. 4. "When I've got something to say, sir, I'm going to say it now." 5. I love MGM musicals.
- laura x
@DeborahF -- I adore Mandy Patinkin but I live alone and watching CM was giving me severe insomnia. I enjoyed the witty repartee but need to be able to sleep at night.
- Abigail
@Mary Carmen-- oh I can think of more than 5...those were just the top 5 of the evening. For example, I refuse to apologize for the fact I drink gallons of hot tea regularly or that I love NYC. Speaking of which...tea kettle needs to go back on.
- Abigail
1) I hate talking on the phone. (altho I seem to apologize for that on a regular basis.) 2) I would rather bike than drive. 3) I don't like coffee (except mochas or egg nog lattes) or beer. 4) I don't wear heels or makeup. 5) I usually prefer hack & slash D&D to actual role-playing. :) (I once played a bloodthirsty halfling named Jayne whose signature cry was "Cleave!")
- Elaine Nelson
1) My facial hair 2) Playing D&D 3) Being a libertarian 4) Loving pulp sci-fi 5) Being pro-life
- Alex Scrivener
@Abigail Much as I love Criminal Minds, if I had to choose between it and sleep I'd stomp on those DVDs *so* fast. :-)
- Deborah Fitchett
Sure, it was stupid of them to act like that, but is punishing them really going to deter similar behavior in the future, or simply make it seem attractive as a contrarian, rebellious action? Isn't that one of the factors of the original Nazi rise, that it went against the establishment? That it was seen as dangerous to society, and therefore attractive to the outcasts or those that suppose themselves to be outcast?
- Kevin L
There's a kind of dark humor about Nazism that not that many people get, simply because it's so over-the-top extremist. Think the right-wing equivalent of Bruno. Although I don't support their world views, I admit I find some aspects of the Nazis and other extremist groups hilarious. Of course, that kind of humor is a really tough sell as people automatically think you're serious. I don't think the kids were serious, but they need to be taught a lesson is social acceptability
- LANjackal
For example, when I was a kid, my Mom was pretty strict, so I'd jokingly refer to her as "Herr Kommandant" or "Herr General" and salute. She thought it was funny *shrugs*. Would I salute in pics? Hell no, that's just stupid.
- LANjackal
I like this line: "Henry Kissinger once said that the main job of Anatoly Dobrynin, the perennial Soviet ambassador to Washington, was to tell the Kremlin leadership that whenever they received a proposal from the United States that appeared disadvantageous to the United States, not to assume it was a trick."
- Kevin L
I always go back and forth about how much I like the way I look in them. Also, in case you haven't noticed, I love to wear a shit ton of eye makeup.
- Mary Carmen
Thanks, y'all. im really hoping this is a seasonal weather change thing and not an actual cold. I avoided all three plagues that passed through ADS so to get sick now would suck. Just in time for the weekend.
- Mary Carmen
"A new report by the Guttmacher Institute shows that legalizing abortion doesn't make it any more common — it just makes it safer. Unsafe abortion causes as many as 70,000 deaths a year worldwide."
- Jennifer Dittrich
from Bookmarklet
There is a movie called "4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days" that deals with illegal abortion. It isn't a reference film by any stretch, but it did really make me think about it.
- Joe Pierce
For me this is an issue much like teens having sex. They do it. They always have. However you counsel them not to, they still will. That isn't to say you should encourage it, but giving people good, safe, educated options seems to reduce BOTH - or at the least, make it less likely to kill you.
- Jennifer Dittrich
banning can't be the answer but a difficult issue and it seems to me the answer can't just be a simple "it's a woman's right"
- winckel
If abortions are legal, why do we still have child support? A woman can choose, but a man can't?
- Kevin L