Chris is a tech superstar that I listen to deeply. He is excited by Google's moves and lays out the poor execution on the Mozilla side of the fence.
- Robert Scoble
What I missed in the Chrome comic was a mention of browser add-ons like Firefox's. Surfing the web without Adblock Plus is hard to imagine.
- Ole Begemann
or without the delicious add-ons... or the evernote add-on... but at least bookmarklets are (likely?) to still work.
- Justin Long
The comic was aimed squarely at devs. There was little mention of what would make end users choose Chrome over IE.
- Paul Grav
Best read so far, been waiting for a commentary like this...
- Kevin Cearns
Gee, Ole... why wouldn't Google want you running AdBlock Plus? Can't imagine. ;) (Now, I agree, add-ons are cool, but as a publisher, I'm not going to weep over that one...) Anyway, I wouldn't count Firefox out. Obviously, what Google addresses is the performance/reliability side and building around apps. Both FF and Chrome are built around standards, both closely married to JavaScript for what they do next. I think this could be a great rivalry, frankly.
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
They talk explicitly about plugins on pages 29-32 of the comic so you should be able to have your AdBlock. I seriously doubt Google cares that much about AdBlockers -- which makes up an extremely small percent of the overall market, and which is probably made up of people who don't click ads anyway.
- Chris Messina
Chris: I suspect by plugins they mean Flash etc. and not Firefox-style extensions. But I hope I'm wrong.
- Ole Begemann
Will they, wont they. Time will tell. Who do you want to hate today?
- Steve Blamey
Interesting article. More choice = better for the users. But I think that you are over-hyping the death of Firefox. As far I can tell. Firefox 3.0 is much better than Firefox 2.0 and Firefox 3.1 will be better than Firefox 3.0. Multi-process, V8 and native Gears support are definitely a step forward but firefox is part of an ecosystem so I would not count them out (A lot of people said...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Hmm, well, I didn't claim to foretell the death of Firefox at all. In fact, Firefox will likely continue to gain marketshare and attention (as the web is still expanding). One of my points is that Mozilla missed the opportunity to be the foundation of Chrome -- and will now have to play catch up -- instead of set the agenda for what's next.
- Chris Messina
Do you think that was a technical decision or a control decision. From the last couple of interviews I have seen of John Lilly, I think that he has a really clear vision around performance, usability and ecosystem. Performance is coming in 3.1. Usability is driven by some of the concept Labs has been pushing out and ecosystem come from the fact that there are 100s of extensions to...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am using chrome right now, and I really miss my shareaholic addon as well as my stumbleupon bar. hopefully the developers get crackin for plugins for this browser.
- James Campbell
I'm hoping to see some good progress from Mozilla. I do worry a bit about them fish-tailing and not being able to say no to developers (whose needs are often very different from regular folks). We shall see. @James Campbell:There will be a need for web hooks, no doubt... and places to insert additions or modifications to your browser experience -- I don't really doubt that (some standardization there would be nice too).
- Chris Messina
The bookmarklets work just fine. I really wouldn't miss any of my add-ons...but the fact that I can't scroll up with my mouse is a deal breaker. talking about plugins/add-ons/extensions when people can't even scroll up is kinda putting the cart before the horse...just sayin
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Isn't it, you guys? The Sweetcron room is actually ROCKIN. Everyone's giving each other support and posting their sites :) @Benjamin: your comments are disabled!
- Mona Nomura
question: i have a wp self-hosted blog and i was thinking this sweetcron page would be nice as a page added onto that blog. is that possible? just set up the sweetcron page and connect it to my wp blog with a link?
- Admiral Anika
Vince: everything you need to know, is here :) http://friendfeed.com/rooms... The creator of Disqus and um, the creator of the um, source code is there, too... :(
- Mona Nomura
- how does this differ from something like Swurl (aside from self-hosting & themes)?
- JA Castillo
this is just a link farm.. we can do the same thing uinsg RSS | EMAIL|BLOGGER|GROUPS. Whats the hue and cry about this service? Tell me what is new here underlying a UI ??
- Peter Dawson
Peter: Do you see the difference of the UIs? Just asking. - and it's not a service. it's a software, since it's FREE and OPEN SOURCE
- Mona Nomura
yes its s/w .. but not on the cloud . and UI is just UI. I really dont see whats the big deal.. thats all. I dont mean to bust any1 ballon, but thats the fact.
- Peter Dawson
Peter: it's clean, simple to use, and any non tech savvy person can jump on and click around. the embeddable media is pulled in and displayed / organized. one of the most intuitive templates i've ever seen. plus it's open source and free. why WOULDN'T you jump on it?
- Mona Nomura
I'm going to have to partially agree with Peter. I don't see the big deal either. Sure, it's free and open source but using any aggregator or, creating your own (like Rob does for TGM) is just the same. Creating your own still makes it free. I can't say I like the UI at all. Open source and free doesn't always mean a great product.
- Candace
So what about people like me, Candace, who can't create my own? I'm stuck with default templates I have to find around the web. Open Source excites me, because of the possibility of people creating various templates - for free -. I've already showed the site to a few of my non tech friends, and they've all told me it's simple and easy to navigate.
- Mona Nomura
I'd like to see this turn into a Wordpress theme/plugin instead. After installing the auto updater, I don't feel like going through another install process again.
- Rodfather
There's plenty of places to get free templates and sites. Wordpress is one. Not a regular WP blog but installing the software in your site itself. There's 50,000 plug ins and ways to customize it (and aggregators too). I think there's more out there with better options.
- Candace
Candace, I specifically don't have my own domain because there are way too many choices, too many plug-ins, I don't know how and where to start. I envy you for knowing where to look, because frankly? It's a headache for me. That's the exact reason I haven't registered my own domain. I love the SweetCron UI, it's Tumblr-like look, and the archival system. To each their own :)
- Mona Nomura
Mon, I agree each to their own. I am trying to close out my other thread and flod it back again to this one here. Meanwhile ..all my blogs are archieved in Groups. Did you check the link that I posted ? I created one recusive loop as a poc. albiet its manually, and not a cron. :)- howwever, I can cron the same thing in the fwd manner just using an RSS -2-email | filter | Blogger | groups. thats the core events. Zap up a blogger /CSS tempate and voila I can sweetcron without any download at all.
- Peter Dawson
I cheat..I'm still not off WordPress itself . I just mask the name. Getting a domain is easy...godaddy.com! (p.s. Pixelbits.me is available I searched ~_^ ) ..For the record, I have no idea what Peter just said. I need Rob to translate that.
- Candace
@Candace, mea culpa. its easy. Get an RSS2email service (R|mail.org). Add RSS feeds to rss2email account,. Each time a new pos is created, it will get email to you. Create a filter rule < all emails tha come from rss2email, fwd to blogger account. This will create a blog entry. Set up your blogger profile to email all BLOGS posts to specific group e,g googlegroups. I one for myself for all my blogs. so its < RSS -2-email | filter | Blogger | groups> . Did that make sense ?
- Peter Dawson
Candace: It's deciding on the domain name! LOL @Peter: Aside from the technicalities - I mean good for you for knowing all that -, is your site user friendly?
- Mona Nomura
Ya know, with a tweak or two I could use this as an enterprise dashboard for different topics and existing internal feeds. Then when/if it becomes multi user I could use it as a behind the firewall version of friendfeed for workstreams. Of course workstreams doesn't sound all that fun so i'll have to change that.
- Shawn McCollum
Holy wow Shawn... the possibilities! =O
- Mona Nomura
@mona, pls take a look at the what I posted.< http://lifestreampeter.blogspot.com/> The site I created was a POC, just for the convo . It took less then 15 minutes to completed. Is the UI heck sweet ? NO WAY 1. Does it have the underly principle of cron, very much so !! So all this sweetness in sweetcron really does not rock my boat. Been , there, seen that done that long long time ago. If you into UI only,. then it rocks your boat.
- Peter Dawson
Peter: I already did look at your site, Peter. And that is why I stated what I stated. If all of your visitors are people who do not care about UI, then great! You just built a site in under 15 minutes. You're totally awesome :) However, if you read my blog, I explain -- in detail -- WHY SweetCron is right for me :)
- Mona Nomura
It has it's uses, infact it's saved me building a very similar app. Most importantly, it's open source. If it were a hosted pay/month service, it would be useless.
- Steven Cains
@Matt I was actually thinking about something similar to that.. I have a larger avatar set now (I was missing a bunch of people) and there is a lot to fit.
- Tim Hoeck
Well you will have to pay me $100 everytime you wear the shirt if you are going to have my image on it. :P
- Mathew™ one of a kind
2x, 8y = awesome, and honored. Enjoy the shirt, and let us know if people ask you who everyone on the back is while wearing it, and what your responses are :)
- Nathan Chase
"And today, authorities announced a new form of depression caused by not being "friended" by important people on friendfeed. Apparently Dr. Wadda Frack has postulated that as recognition from thought leaders in the social media arena has become a form of social currency, that the "poor" among us are prone to depressive fits of outrage at not being included on the friendfeed t-shirts of the rich and shameless. To quote Dr. Frack, "This is very sad. The poor are always the last to know." ;-)
- Bill Sanders
And Dr. Frack also wants to know where to order said FriendFeed Tee.
- Bill Sanders
:0 cool, can i send them a higher res av image?
- sergiooo
what a devious way to get more subscribers! hahaha
- tagami
That is SO cool. (as I'm sure you already know)
- Brandon Titus
So what's the deal, you just going to print on iron-on transfer or what?
- Josh Haley
@tagami .. I realized that might happen after the post. FYI: new subscriptions will not be on the tee! I have the ones I am putting on there cached already (the pic above is not everyone)
- Tim Hoeck
not to mention, these are the people I am subscribed to, not the ones subscribed to me! :)
- Tim Hoeck
Is there a T-shirt service that let's you dynamically "program" t-shirts? I smell a business idea.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
And when I say that I mean a custom t-shirt for each buyer, based on a username on something like FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse Stay yeah there must be something I mean wheather you have charity or some cause you want to support there seems to be ways to get customized logos on shirts. I've heard of ways to even print a photo onto a shirt.
- Colide81 (James)
Being Swiss Abroad - So fern, so nah der Schweiz - Si loin, si proche de la Suisse - Confederati nel mondo - Tan lejos y tan cerca de Suiza - Tão longe, tão perto da Suíça - http://5ch.swissinfo.ch/
Wow. Well, you never know - it says "Entertain your friends ;)" on there - but this may turn out to be a great example of the art of selling your ideas to investors who dont really know better. I.E. not really a market affirmation.
- Andrew Baron
we throw this bubble term around too much, until i see everyone working only in social media and not in other trades i call bs on that. Oh wait I just went to the site, uh err ;)
- adolfo foronda
Definitely scary given the lack of monetization in such services. Sure, entertainment can be a real business - but the company should know how to turn it into one.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Doom! Dooooooooom, I say! Congrats, looks like you'll have a paycheck for a while.
- JD Lasica
I can't figure out what compelled them to combine video and products...
- Brady Brim-DeForest
Hi Robert, could not find it in Techmeme, who did they raise from? Interesting...
- Loic Le Meur
being in a bubble and seeing companies over funded is totally different. startup overdosis will calm over time. but there is no industry collapse ahead. ad dollars, ecommerce and internet penetration are progressing. so for me no worries
- Ouriel Ohayon
Loic: I'm not sure. I got this on Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
haha, wow funny that I found out about the funding through friendfeed first seeing as I know a good amount of the people at that company
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
Well let's see, property and stock markets are down in many countries and there is constant talk of a world economic slowdown. If the tech sector isn't in the same situation, all this is bound to have some flow-on effect sooner rather than later. No, I don't think there is a bubble.
- jjprojects
jj: yes, but there are still a lot of companies who have funding that the overall market will not reward. I think there's a bit of a bubble in that there's a lot of people who have gotten funded by VC firms who haven't yet felt the more general economic pain that's out there.
- Robert Scoble
Amazing....We have a solution that fits perfectly in the current economic situation and these guys get 8 million?
- Brad Nickel
Of course we are in a bubble. that's the way our economy works now. The reason is that we have too many unregulated speculators in the markets today.
- Bob Blunk
I would call this "statistical occurrence." It is pure statistics, not a bubble. There are many samples of similar nature which occur. The higher the size of the sample (overcrowded online entertainment market) the more likely is the occurrence of a highly-improbable event. Funding such a startup as redux would otherwise be improbable. good thing about stats is that 90+% of it is there to support the few.
- Hayk H.
Little bit late, Lufthansa has it since 3 years. But no idea why this is not standard? Just ditch all the in flight entertainment stuff (incl. shitty food) and give use power sockets and wifi.
- Benjamin Kohler
@benedikt Friedmans Book completely wrong ? Interessting .... what do you think about the influcene of globalization on our daily (business) world ?
- Bernd Sailer
from twhirl
@Bernd: Many points. Perhaps most important: Globalization would not work in a flat earth. Global economy absolutely depends on heterogeneity, borders, cultural differences etc.
- Benedikt Koehler
Inclined to agree, though Android has got to come out of vapourware!
- Mo Kargas
Yea, they said that about the first iPods when they cost nearly $500 and a Rio was $200
- Andrew Leyden
Isn't it ultimately the hardware and the service plans that are expensive? I don't see how an open source operating system on a phone will change that.
- Sergio Cruz
from fftogo
I remember getting people calling me about stuff like this. There was never anything useful I could do, even when I deferred it to superiors. They had no clue about what, exactly, needed to be done. That's the type of stuff that made me quit.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Wow...I'm very interested and excited to see/hear/read what is to come from Scobleizer land next.
- Justin Korn
I hope I make your list and if not, please let me know why so I can potentially improve.
- Allen Stern
Glad to see that you are starting to realize, despite Techmeme that the world doesn't revolve around just the bay area.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
Gotta say you're bang on the mark there. Tech blogging should be about the tech, not the biz.
- Luke Robinson
Allen: I like your blog. It's just that I love hanging out with all of you and talking geeky stuff a lot more than talking about this deal and that deal and all that.
- Robert Scoble
Harold: I've always realized that. I feel I got unfairly tagged with believing the world only was about the Bay Area. I guess I deserved that to some extent, but this area is quite dominant in the world of tech (including the tool you're typing on right now) so some of my boosterism is to be expected. Funny that the top Israeli company has offices here too.
- Robert Scoble
Kudos to you Mr. Scoble, what a very bright post you delivered today! Thank you for bringing some fresh perspective, that's always refreshing and welcome. I'm also happy you cite Lifehacker as an example. They focus on the smartest digital experience possible and help us improve ourselves. That's the biggest deal of all. Techbloggers should never forget it.
- c0wb0yz
I love the tech first and foremost but the business is important too, especially in respect to the sustainability of said tech.
- Jamie
Jamie: I agree. But the business needs to serve the customers and the customers/participants/users or whatever you want to call you and me aren't coming first in this industry anymore and that's worrying.
- Robert Scoble
Wow funny enough thats the way i have been feeling for a while now I am looking forward to seeing what is next from the Scobelizer...
- John Spencer
from twhirl
I agree overall - CN has only a small percentage of biz - most is trends, analysis, and reviews. I had an interesting discussion about this with someone last week - if i had a computer that could handle video, i'd make a quick video to explain - there's an important part you are missing
- Allen Stern
Next is to get some sleep. Gotta be up at 7:30 to be at Fortune Conference at 8 a.m. for breakfast. It's an incredible conference, hope to see some of you at the Tweetup at 5:45 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
This is often relevant from major blogs/ celeb bloggers. The smaller and more personal blogs are still focusing just on tech ;) Perhaps you need to update your feeds :-)
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
Allen: will be watching in the morning for what I was missing. I'm sure I'm missing a lot. I had to stop ranting at some point, it was getting too long! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Dennis: I know. It's why I spend a lot more time here lately than on blogging. The smaller stuff shows up here a lot more regularly and I see a lot less "Yahoo business news."
- Robert Scoble
Excellent post Robert. It's why I don't read Techmeme as much as I used to. The life and joy in exploring, playing with and dissecting tech, the geeky exuberance in 'new stuff' has been lessened across almost all tech sites in general, leaving a bland veneer that is just business talk. Things a geek like me doesn't care about, as I'm not an investor.
- Mo Kargas
Techmeme has suffered because most of the tech blogs they follow have become nothing more then PR outlets like you said.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
As I posted in your comments, that's a really good post. It's great to see the old Scoble back - the one who I started reading back when your "latest thing" was Tablet PC! Welcome back, mate.
- Ian Betteridge
Robert, blogging is becoming commercialized, as it becomes popular. I do not see it as a problem. It just might mean that you and a bunch of other likely minded people have to move on to a greener, more fascinating and less populated pastures. Like friendfeed, etc. Luckily, there are lots of them around and tons in the pipeline. Enjoy!
- Павел Романовский
I don't know, Robert. On the one hand I agree 100%. And can I say that as editor of WebWorkerDaily I am the one who gets those 15 press releases a day and I *constantly* have the "is this useful?" filter on. I hope that's clear in our postings. Anyway...Your post is kind of like the person who is used to picking their own corn complaining about the supermarket because it's not the same garden. It's not. The grocer has to pay its bills, as does the paid tech blogger.
- Judi Sohn
I know I am a newie to all this but I have been reading blogs for a while. I've bee thinking up a response and I'll post later. Long comments on the iPhone make for one queasy bus ride.
- Derick Valadao
Finally. Thank you. I follow 357 feeds. Everyday. Granted I have many pop-sites (lifehacker, engadget, etc) on the list. But not one is of these "new breed" of tech bloggers out there. Even though I am in the industry, they do not speak to me. They are just another form of CNN to me. Linking to each other and regurgitating the same gibberish, no matter how relevant or important, it does not speak to me. Anyway, welcome back! This is very refreshing news to me. I will be following it with much interest. TY!
- Carlos Ayala
We should all just organize a "Tech Blog Strike", unsubscribing to those blogs that only push press releases. Let's see how they sweat when they see their subscriber count falling...
- Jorge Escobar
Obviously my previous comment was "tldr". I just wanted to say how great it is that a person in your position is able to repurpose his content to better fit the goal you are trying to reach with your content. It's a great direction to take in a time where most blogs are just trying to echo up to the top.
- Derick Valadao
Excellent post on the state of the blogging nation.
- Sheila Thomson
My only real problem with tech bloggins is how easily ideas take hold and spread to get page hits. This is very easily seen in the Vista hatred - there was never any objective reasonf or it... but it was so useful for traffic generation and looking cool that it was rampant.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
It's probably less about the business/tech divide, and more about me-too echo blogging
- Dave Pelland
I think so... tech bloggers are jsut as easily victims of peer pressure and memes as anyone. Once an Idea ("love google") defines someone as "getting it" then few will look at it objectively.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
This is a welcome breath of fresh air. Fantastic.
- Pete Gilbert
Super excellent post and, ironically, exactly what blogging is all about. One good thing about an economic downturn, it will weed a lot of fluff out of the infosphere -- with less incentive to act as promotional platforms for startups, blogs may get more informative about using established tech.
- Sprague D
Great article Robert. It is your authenticity even more than your tech blogging that has made you the great writer that you are. Anyone can report Apple's earnings yesterday. You have always had an honest voice though that makes your writing stand out.
- Thomas Hawk
The take away is 'sensational headlines'. Add to the "Rumor:" and we don't need this stuff unless it's coming from a tabloid format site
- Charlie Anzman
Blogging is about saying what I want to say, and sharing things that I like with anybody who cares to listen. I'm not interested in driving traffic (thank goodness) or repeating what others have said, but contributing to a discussion.
- Chris Nixon
Great post Robert. Very good read and right on the mark. I religiously read feeds in Reader, but only a few that help me. I love Lifehacker. Almost everyday I find something new and useful to my job.
- Gary Schmidt
The Techie audience thirsty for knowledge is much smaller then the Get-rich-quick audience, but the largest demographic are the Free-lunch boys. The blogs with the most revenue have tricked their advertisers into believing teenage boys are business decision makers.
- paul mooney
I love tech bloggers and the things they write about. The good ones will always come at a common topic from a different angle and I just LOVE that because it makes me think outside the box and start connecting dots all over the place. Robert you are definitely one of those bloggers that I love to read and I don't think any of the ones I read have failed me.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
I have to agree about the comments system though. One thing that we started to see a while ago was data portability and being able to communicate accross services. I think Disqus does that quite well and it's a great first step to making sure that the comments system becomes a little more useful on blogs.
- Derick Valadao
Well said Robert, left a comment, said my piece, cheers!
- Steve Spalding
Wow, an impressive and honest assessment of some major issues in the techblogosphere.
- Richard Akerman
Robert - I'm not in the tech industry. But I love what lots of tech stuff has done for learning stuff in my life and for others. And I want to keep on learning. You've certainly helped me here - I wouldn't know a fraction as much about using Friendfeed productively, for example. Glad we're going to see more of this kind of stuff. Welcome back.
- Tom Landini
Knocked it out of the park. If we can just get back to being geeks again, a lot of this drama will calm itself...
- Jared Smith
this, along with Luis Grey's article today about Techcrunch and Techmeme, are both really interesting features on why blogging, and more specifically high-profile bloggers that were once more passionate, more personal, more engaged, more interesting, are falling to the wayside
- Kevin
from twhirl
Great read, but kind of depressing the way things have gone. I just like being a bit geeky and all things will work out in the end.
- Alan Ashley
from twhirl
The key issue for me is that there isn't enough analysis. Just reporting what an app does is useful, but very baseline useful. What are the implications? That's where tech bloggins has really failed.
- Shripriya
from twhirl
Shripriay, you hit it on the head. It is a shame that all the tech bloggers just wants to be Engadet or Gizmodo these days.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
Nice writeup Robert. I enjoyed your detailed analysis & history of the situation. Perhaps you can lead us in a new direction?
- Mitchell Tsai
i read the tech bloggers then try to actually use the gadget. would like to hear more results from the usage angle.
- Lee Kent
Shripriya, I agree with you wholeheartedly. My original comment was much longer but got cut due to length. I wish more blogs were like Louis Gray and Lifehacker which take a step back and then hit us with posts that are useful/interesting almost 100% of the time. Zero Punctuation is a great example for the gaming crowd--one post a week, internet fame.
- Derick Valadao
Hmm... A Scoble article I like.... Is this the Seventh Seal? Seriously, you're right on in that the echo chamber of groupthink has made tech blogging boring and predictable. I think there's a few people out there fighting it, and FF makes it easier to find them. I think you're off on the business side, though... I think it SHOULD be about the technology, but the entrepreneurs coming out of the Valley have made it necessary for us to discuss the business side by not having solid business plans.
- Jason Carreira
Anyway, hope this is a sign of things to come from you.
- Jason Carreira
Thanks Robert. Great read, and perspectives. Love to see more on productivity, like Lifehacker. Just became a GTD convert BTW and loved the David Allen piece.
- Jericho
I'm sorry but those that don't scale are toast, from a commericial and traffic standpoint. I know that is part of the point (varying aims and objectives of blogging etc.)
- Alex Hammer
Slap your self and get back on that horse Robert. You have NOT failed us. Human nature makes us want what we do not have. For some it's page views/revenue, for trolls it's attention, and others it's n-list status. The rest of us are looking to quench our thirst for knowledge. And please give our group a little credit. We have become ever-so-skillful at weeding out those sources that do not provide this knowledge. I repeat...You have NOT failed us.
- Andrew Smith
I appreciate what you are saying, and am glad that others share the same opinion as myself. What happened to being the guys who always had some tech trick that seemed like magic to the uninitiated? The joy of tech for me is showing that magic to others and getting them interested in what's out there too, and lately we have all become business whores a little bit. I look forward to the future content coming from you, and getting back to what made tech cool in the first place, the tech itself.
- Aaron Krug
One of the things I value most about Robert is his inner homing mechanism. He's very prone to get lost, but something always shakes him loose and he re-calibrates. Or is that re-boots? (Kind of like iPhone 2.0 now that I think about it.)
- Michael Markman
I agree w/ your article, Robert. The wonder that makes so many of us interested in tech does get lost at times- I never saw tech blogs as the place for that stuff, but appreciated it when I found it there.
- anna sauce
Alex: While scaling is necessary if you want more people to view your content, why should that come at the cost of the content itself? Too many startups are trying to replace a solid marketing plan with social media and end up trying to use big blogs as a means to advertise their product and ride the traffic tail to customers. From what I gather, this tends to make jaded bloggers who...
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- Derick Valadao
I kinda find this funny.. the comments are so distributed between FF channel and Scobles blog channel ? which one am I too follow ? I mean yesterday we had this big huge augments about cluster and fragmentation of conversations. So Robert, here's a suggestion. Turn off comments on your blog and let your readers comment on FF only. Else dont post your blog entry to FF and break your own...
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- Peter Dawson
I just approved a bunch of comments that were held in moderation. Now there's 88 comments over there. Whew.
- Robert Scoble
melmcbride: good point. It's easy to just stay on FriendFeed all day. It's hard to come up with something new to say that takes more than a short paragraph. Damn, I'm sounding so old school. The neat thing is when I do a longer blog is comes in here and improves everything.
- Robert Scoble
i think this is part of the echo chamber that is the silicon valley. people who live there use the "new" thing for so long they soon get sick of doing it. they are same people who think everyone elses use technology the same way they do and feels the same way they do.
- Jonathan Jesse
Scoble steps out of the bubble and takes a breath of fresh air... hopefully more follow or we're going nowhere fast.
- Harish V
I thought this was great! Robert, I think what I hear is your desire to just do whatever the hell you want to without regard to "The Man". Go for it. You of all people can do that!
- Elliott Ng
Robert the real issues is that everything really only needs to exist once. Conversations don't neeed to exist in many different places. Your blog comments and the conversation here are all the same conversation. I'd love to explain the solution as i see it but it'd take too long.
- Anton Mannering
Robert I am still lost- How can you profess to be be a convo aggregator , yet approve 88 comments on your blog ? @Anton, no Blog comments and these comments on FF, are two different sets of conversation happening on the same topic. Lets not confuse this fact !! There is a fork in the convosphere.
- Peter Dawson
@ Anton: I sort of agree with you, but i don't think comment fragmentation is all bad. Sometimes well-written comments appearing somewhere else can draw attention to good ideas. If I don't subscribe to a particular blog but see the feed posted here on FF, I'll pick it up and then maybe I'll go straight to the blog. There's value in fragmentation along with the frustration.
- phil baumann
I think a service like disqus should be used so that friendfeed comments on links to blog posts (with comments therein) will all show up no matter which medium you use to discuss them. Does this exist yet? I thought disqus would have this covered by now.
- Derick Valadao
Peter: I approved about 40 that were being held in a moderation queue. I don't let newbies post a comment on my blog because then it'd be overrun with spam. FriendFeed has a much better system to protect against spam than my blog's comments. I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL, return it to my blog, and get it linked in, all really quickly.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't read the comments here, but feel I can comment. Robert, as someone who as known you for five years now - just before the mania began - I am pleased to hear this. What got me into your blog in the first place was your ENTHUSIASM for technology, particularly GTD. Never let that go. You be you. I will be me. And everyone else will be everyone else. In the end, you gotta follow what you love. It works for everyone from Steve Jobs to the Pope. Your friend online and off - SR
- Steve Rubel
@ phil bauman Ok 2 things. First of all I didn't say it shouldn't appear in many places. I'm saying that if you're in Roberts comments and I'm on Friendfeed then we should be able to see ALL the conversation from both. But it need not exist in a whole bunch of places only be visible from there. Second I think the argument that there is value in fragmentation is similar to saying there is value in using a ploughshare pulled by an ox. Ther is but not to most people.
- Anton Mannering
@ Robert Scoble: Interesting you should mention your blog comments being friendfeed. I know a startup or two working on those problems. In reality though the issues become way bigger when such a service is subject to really large numbers (non-tech crowd). Solving those problems is where the fun and games are and I only know one startup with a real solution for that.
- Anton Mannering
Ironic, isn't it--the influences (PR, marketing, big media) the original bloggers were trying to break away from are--surprise-- still here and the game hasn't changed as much as we thought. PR people still push their stories, tech and news blogs focus on a few big name co's and start looking like traditional media, etc. What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm and original thought that Scoble and others brought to the game earlier on--otherwise, we've only duplicated the old media on a new platform.
- mark ivey
I send you a tweet also but I believe that I must also write here how spot-on was your post... I can't wait to see more real Tech news coming from you and I hope that this will force other bloggers to remember how they started back then...
- Manos Matsakis
This is clearly your best post ever. Thank you for all of your hard work. I read your blog because it entertains me. I would love more posts "sharing geeky things." On the other hand, if you blog about news, technology, and a few pro-company biases, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Just because you (or any other blogger) do not provide a perfect balanced news experience does not mean that you have failed. People are responsible for finding their own news this day in age.
- Brian Wilson
Great post and I totally agree. "What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm..."
- Eric_T
Great stuff Robert. As blogging and social media continues to spread outside of tech and into other niche industries and verticals, those of us facilitating and evangelizing that spread should continue to look back at this post so history isn't repeated. See you at the Ritz tonight.
- J.J. Toothman
"I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL" - yeah I second that motion. If I had a widget that could do that but with bi- directional flow , that would really be a convo aggregator. This will certainly be an interesting challenge to some of the geeks out here !
- Peter Dawson
You can, if you're willing to give up the content. Glenn developed a great plugin that allows for bi-directional flow. It works for Wordpress and (I think) Blogger http://blog.slaven.net.au/wordpre...
- Steve Spalding
Great timing :) I got strange looks this weekend when I said that I don't review anything that has been 'pitched' to me - but rather things I discover that I think are cool. I discovered something this weekend at BlogHer that I will review. But no one sent me a press release. :) It's just a really neat gadget!
- Lucretia Pruitt
I think you should watch the movie 'Resurrecting the Champ' - its about a Writer. Drew the analogy to your post and the movie (that I just happened to see yesterday) http://mrinal.vox.com/library...
- Mrinal Desai
Enjoyed that rant, Robert. I'm not a tech geek, I don't read techmeme or techcrunch as the gist and trends can be followed here on FF, but I do read blogs like yours, Louis, Jeremiah and Hutch's, mainly to learn new things. Before FF I had never heard of Rescue Time, Jott, Evernote or TSheets for example, but hearing about new ideas and then experimenting with them myself, well that gets me interested and excited. The corporate enterprise stuff leaves me cold, it isn't nifty or flexible enough for users.
- Sally Church
Nice post. The PR influence bit reminded me of this article by Paul Graham: http://www.paulgraham.com/submari.... Agree to the fact that Tech blogging has been less 'tech' than it was a couple of years ago.
- Nikhil Dandekar
I loved the rant earlier yesterday, and even more impressed by the ff reaction. My take on your blogging, having followed you since MS days. Stay on what you think, not what others think. Avoid the whole Gillmor Gang bs, and associated groupthink.
- Bankwatch
I think that every new medium matures as it becomes possible to make real money at it - this is inevitable. I don;t think it will be the death of blogging certainly but we are in a new phase. Older blogs will mature and still keep that flavor or they will stagnate and die. The personalities will decide that. One of the things I like about your work Robert is the enthusiasm. Sometimes it makes you a bit naive, others it makes you a little to fast to declare something game changing but it is always good input
- Soulhuntre
Robert, just read your wonderful post now, and I'm still fascinated by it. I'm commenting here because I know you'll read here first. You know, this competition that you were taking about, almost cause me to stop blogging, but then I realized that I'm writing because I like it, so as far as I'm concern, I'm not trying to compete anyone, this is why I'm taking things easy and on my own...
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- Orli Yakuel
Orli: you know me too well! :-) Yup, agreed. Just do it because it's fun. The problem is that posts that make us all smarter don't stick around very long because of the flow.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe it's because 'blogs' are not so unique anymore. Lets take Friednfeed for example: everyone can get noticed here just because they favorite picture on Flickr or dugg story on digg (regardless if they writing a blog, or giving any other opinion in the subject) this and other massive content mixed up together on a daily basis is flowing so fast, it almost seem that if you'll...
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- Orli Yakuel