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good luck Steve! - Jean-Claude Bradley

A small step for a team, but a giant leap for #science . - Daniel Mietchen

Good luck! - Brian Krueger - LabSpaces

Thanks everyone! I sort of dropped off the map after submitting the proposal. One of my most successful attempts at actually vacating during a vacation. - Steve Koch

Bummer! Just found out tonight that the proposal was not funded. I have done one read-through of the reviews. First of all, I am once again amazed at the time and effort the reviewers put into reviewing my proposal. There were 6 reviewers in total and they all had a page or more of feedback. And they all pretty much agreed on the main points: (a) interesting proposal that is worth... more... - Steve Koch

Thank you Jean-Claude, Andy, Cameron, and Drew for the Open Science support letters! I am sure that was key to the very positive reviews for Open Science. Thank you to everyone else on friendfeeed who supports me and our other lab members. We now have 7 months to obtain the preliminary data and get a couple publications, and indeed we are now poised to do so. I am confident the lab members can do this, and by eliminating (b) and (c) above, all signs point towards this being a very strong proposal next time. - Steve Koch

well done all 'round! next time you'll knock 'em dead. - D0r0th34

for the CAREER third time is often the charm - good luck for next round - Jean-Claude Bradley

Thanks, Jean-Claude and Dorothea. The CAREER "3rd time's a charm" effect is part of the reason I submitted without strong preliminary data. (But I also thought we'd be able to generate the data in time for the 2nd submission. Now, though, I'm SURE we can before July :) ) - Steve Koch

After thinking about it for a couple days now, I am still very happy that they viewed the open science so positively. I think that's a big deal. - Steve Koch

absolutely Steve - very good feedback about OS being a positive to the funders - Jean-Claude Bradley

Steve, this looks really really promising. If you can come up with interesting data for the next resubmit, I think you have a great chance to get funded. Congratulations! - Bill Hooker

I agree it was a great visit. I enjoyed showing you the version of the $100 spectrometer I'm working on and all the great conversation. I hope KochLab can start a collaboration with our friends across the pond. - Andy Maloney from iPhone

I think I'm going to put some nuggets of information from today onto this thread. Here is a link to the Neylon, Ward, Towrie, and Parker Tus-Ter single-molecule proposal (linked in Cameron's open notebook; see PDF at the bottom): http://blogs.chem.soton.ac.uk/sortase... I think that the system they are studying fits... more... - Steve Koch

I started learning more acronyms having to do with open and linked data. RDF = Resource Description Framework http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... There was some other acronym that I can't remember or find that Cameron was suggesting as a way of bundling an entire open data set of arbitrary format...lots of vowels, something like OAI... "open access...? NOTE... more... - Steve Koch

Cameron showed us some of the robots he and others have programmed for Google Wave. I learned that it's not crazily complicated to write a robot, and that you can use Google App Engine (http://code.google.com/appengi...) to host your code and run the robot. It currently runs Python and now Java. I still don't understand how it connects with Wave, but it solves a mystery to me of... more... - Steve Koch

(Coincidentally (or maybe not), right after waving with Cameron, Google Wave gave me my 20 invites to send out. Let me know if you need one!) - Steve Koch

I'm sure Cameron and others have already said this in their many fantastic presentations and blog posts about wave. But I was happy to hear Cameron agree with my thinking that google wave + robots would be a very good way of handling data analysis workflows. When we process unzipping data, there are a few layers of software involved. I imagine each software application being run in the... more... - Steve Koch

Cameron's current LaBLog at Rutherford can be found here: http://biolab.isis.rl.ac.uk/cameron... Hopefully I'll be able to get access to this to see the edit features (I "requested" an account by logging in with my yahoo openid). I had previously been impressed by the notebook, but today was really wowed when I saw him edit a new entry. The particular things was the ability to... more... - Steve Koch

+1 for a Wave invite, please (pmiller@liv.ac.uk). - Peter Miller

That's wonderful that Cameron visited your lab Steve! For all the usefulness of communication technologies nothing can replace a productive meatspace interaction. - Jean-Claude Bradley

I had a great time - meeting and talking with Koch and the team. Lots of very cool stuff going on and lots of ideas that just seemed to bubble out of it. The meatspace interaction is really important but having that bit of background about what was going on and the context and trust built up here on Friendfeed amongst other places makes the whole discussion a lot quicker and more interesting. - Cameron Neylon

Agree -- pre-meeting definitely made the in-person meeting very quick to start off. & @Peter Miller, sent the invite - Steve Koch

Sounds like a fun (and productive!) day - thanks for sharing it with us, Steve. Also, I would appreciate a Wave invite (if you have any left!) - thanks! tom.tullius@gmail.com - Tom Tullius

I hope to see some cool pics from this meet-up on Flickr :) Science builds upon Science especially in terms of ONS !! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358... - Graham Steel

@Tom sent invite (fyi it takes several days to arrive) @Graham I think this is the only picture they got, unfortunately! - Steve Koch

@Steve, Auch well. Best I can do with this 20.kB image is to B&W it, with a bit of res. conf.:- http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620... - Graham Steel

@Graham, I think I'm missing something. Is there a whole slew of cool open science photos on Flickr somewhere? - Steve Koch

@Steve - I don't think there is..... yet. I take that back. Starter for 10 with http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089... - Graham Steel

Small number of people use the tags openscience - http://www.flickr.com/photos... and science2.0 - http://www.flickr.com/photos.... - Neil Saunders

Thanks for wave, Steve - Peter Miller

Thanks, Steve - Tom Tullius from iPod

A few comments back, I was simply looking through this filter http://search.creativecommons.org/... with open science - At worst, some really cool Flickr/CC images for future usage for anyone. - Graham Steel

It occurs to me that in virtually every photo of me online I'm wearing the same jacket and same shirt. Typical academic... - Cameron Neylon

@Graham, loved that one: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089... - Steve Koch

Cameron let me in on the mystery acronym: OAI-ORE "Open Archives Initiative" "Object Reuse and Exchange." http://www.openarchives.org/ore... - Steve Koch

There're usually over 6,000 attendees, I believe. So, I think it'd be a great way to spread the word about whatever the cutting edge happens to be 18 months from now. - Steve Koch

To make a suggestion, I'd need to know: (a) symposium title, (b) 100 word description of symposium, and (c) 2-4 speakers who'd I'd recommend. - Steve Koch

I think (a) is important because it defines the topic w/ keywords. "open science?" "e-science?" "science 2.0?" "practical examples of open science?" - Steve Koch

I think (b) is important but can be drafted later. - Steve Koch

I think (c) is important, because it'd probably be best for speakers who'd want to attend the meeting anyway. Or who'd like to meet each other in Baltimore. Or perhaps people who'd incite a riot. Right? I don't know really, I've never organized a symposia. Tough to limit to only 4 I'd like to hear speak! - Steve Koch

The deadline for suggestions is October 13, 2009. Looking forward to hearing any opinions on this. I know that there are already fantastic meetings to discuss open science. I think the difference here is that the audience would be people who may not know anything about the future of science. And thus a big impact could be made within a couple hour symposium. With this in mind, I think a... more... - Steve Koch

Some people I would like to hear from at a symposium include, Jean-Claude Bradley, Cameron Neylon, and Michael Nielsen. Of course this is just the beginning of a very long list that I will think more about. - Andy Maloney

Thanks, Andy & that's a great list. I also just realized that it would be great to have a whole slew of posters that discussed implementations of open science. Grouped into one session would be great, but I'm not yet familiar with how they organize them. Seems possible, though. For those of you who don't know, the Biophysical Society poster sessions are great (except for one deficiency of not having beer). They go over four days and have 500+ posters at each session. - Steve Koch

The schedule for symposia at the upcoming 2010 meeting can be found here: http://www.biophysics.org/2010mee... Note most are focused on specific science topics. And the prior 2009 meeting is here: http://www.biophysics.org/2009mee... - Steve Koch

Steve - great idea! I would very much like to attend and present. I think Science 2.0 would capture more than Open Science. - Jean-Claude Bradley

brilliant idea! John Wilbanks ought to be on the list, if you can get him. Possibly also Sayeed Choudhury, Michael Witt, D. Scott Brandt. - D0r0th34

hey, if it's in b-more i might even be able to wander in. Sayeed probably could too - but he does a lot more with the Astro stuff right? (embarrassing that I know less about what JHU does than people across the country do :( ) - Christina Pikas

Thanks everyone! I'm definitely going to send in a suggestion. I've drafted a Google Doc here: http://docs.google.com/Doc... I'd love any input or suggestions! - Steve Koch

Have finished version / going to submit later tonight. Thank you again everyone! - Steve Koch

Submitted! Survey Monkey form was a bit primitive, so I couldn't submit all the suggestions from everyone, but I think I'll be able to do that later. I suggested me as non-speaking chair, and then had 3 slots left. I decided to list Jean-Claude; Michael-Nielsen; and Christina Pikas. - Steve Koch

I look forward to it Steve! - Jean-Claude Bradley

De Roure describes Taverna as a "ramp" into e-science: "The Taverna Workbench provides a desktop authoring environment and enactment engine for scientific workflows. The myExperiment social web site supports finding and sharing of workflows and has special support for Taverna workflows. The Taverna workbench, myExperiment and associated components are developed and maintained by the myGrid team, in collaboration with the open source community. " http://taverna.sourceforge.net/ - Steve Koch

Talk going very long, bummer that I have to leave for another important meeting - Steve Koch

I like this workflow stuff--need to learn more. - Steve Koch

An important discussion - where does it all go? And at the end of the day are we prepared to pay for it? - Cameron Neylon

See also: http://friendfeed.com/openwet... - Steve Koch