"you wrote this at March 5, which was my birthday.. you didn't send me a birthday wishes and I couldn't invite you to the blast because I am not your friend on facebook.. J/K Anyhow, I will meet you someday, somewhere... :D"
- Pico Seno
"you wrote this at March 5, which was my birthday.. you didn't send me birthday wishes and I couldn't invite you to the blast because I am not your friend on facebook.. J/K Anyhow, I will meet you someday, somewhere... :D"
- Pico Seno
Twitter works great for conversations. As long as other people only follow one side of the conversation, then they don't see it happen at all. Your problem is that you follow too many people.
- Otto
My mom just called and said Scoble is coming to town (she is in Jackson, WY) - I almost dropped the phone! She discovered Friendfeed, and I can't begin to explain it to her. She wants to know who these people are w/ funny names and what we are doing. Hi, Mom!
TOTAL HOOT - I love my mom, and that she is laughing about it.
- Liza + = ?
She got the email update, went to click in it, but she is confused by the fact that it keeps moving. I am done teaching her social media.
- Liza + = ?
Good point, but I have worked w/ her on Gmail, Google Calendars, Flickr, Twitter, Skitch, et al. Transferring all of her info from an early edition Palm to Gmail and an iPhone was a real hoot.
- Liza + = ?
Stop, it - I did not hit anyone - I feel like she is watching my moves. And Cristo, I should clarify, I don't consider Google Cal social media either, but my mom thinks my ability to do anything on the computer is due to my "social media issues".
- Liza + = ?
Hi Liza's mom! I'm just a bonehead on FriendFeed :)
- imabonehead
Aww, if my mom would only comment, not stalk...maybe we will push her over the edge...or Scoble showing up at her abode in Jackson, WY - KIDDING.
- Liza + = ?
Darn, mom, will be sad. Is this a competition? America's best house guest - Cristo or Scoble?
- Liza + = ?
Wow, well, she has met Scoble briefly....I'd say as long as you stand up to meet someone and don't wear baseball cap, it's a dead heat.
- Liza + = ?
Derrick could win my mom over in a heartbeat - or I am guessing that's the case.
- Liza + = ?
Your mom would let me wear a baseball hat.
- Louis Gray
"Direct attacks and unprovoked hostility are usually reserved for gossip blogs, not the people who make the platforms that power them. But Posterous, the blog service that lets users post using e-mail, did just that Tuesday, taking a shot at a platform called Tumblr on its company blog. The headline: "Hey Tumblr users: Want comments? Need privacy? Graduate to Posterous." "Blogging on Tumblr is sort of like being in high school," the statement reads. "But you know deep-down that you can't be in high school forever. Eventually, you have to move on.""
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
If this attack is real it seems very harsh. What are your thoughts on the comments? Which is your preferred platform? What about Amplify as a potential competitor to them both??
- Kol Tregaskes
I have two Tumblr accounts but I've never used them. I'm very happy with Posterous, I just love the service, I use it even for posting to my main blog via email.
- Niki Costantini
Niki, have you had a look at Amplify?
- Kol Tregaskes
I have two Tumblr accounts. I've been able to post from email since I started. I've had comments on one since day one. My other is completely private. What are they talking about?
- Anika
Coupled w/ Disqus, Tumblr is quite good w/ comments. My gripe w/ Posterous is the dearth of themes and the fact that you have to login / register in some form or fashion to leave a comment. Not everyone wants to do that.
- JA Castillo
Yes, I typically avoid Posterous blogs because I *always* have to log in to leave a comment. It's a PITA, especially if I visit one person's site and have to log in, then go to another person's site and have to do it all over again. I've never seen anything so ridiculous on the same platform.
- Anika
But FYI, Tumblr does now have native comments. I think they've been there for about 5 or 6 mos, making the use of Disqus moot.
- Anika
I like Tumblr a bit better because it's not coupled to email like Posterous is. It is possible to comment on Tumblr if the blog owner has enabled replies or Disqus. It's also easy to post stuff if you have the Tumblr bookmarklet. Both platforms are somewhat limited in what they can do, so for full-fledged blogging, it's better to use Blogger or WordPress.
- John (bird whisperer)
I don't even really consider them the same. Posterous is a platform where you post items and it's distributed to other sites, while Tumblr works kind of like a social aggregator. Maybe that's just my brain thinking that way. I guess that is why I like both of them.
- Shevonne
I use them both and differently. Tumblr as a true Tumblelog and Posterous as a platform.
- Deepak Singh
Tumblr and Posterous each have their strengths. I think it really depends on your goals and aptitudes. As for the "attacks," it's just business. I think Posterous is a Y-combinator company, and according to Crunchbase, Tumblr is on its third round of funding. At some point these investments have to pay off for their funders or fold, and they have to grow their user base. I think the crowd for either product is pretty similar... this is competition
- .LAG liked that
I like comments here.. will try amplify too..
- Pico Seno
from BuddyFeed
"On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars."
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
Funny how evil is in the eye of the beholder. I don't doubt that Google would like Android to make the iPhone irrelevant, but that's not evil; it's competition. And not even as harsh a competitive tactic as Apple's holding Google's iPhone apps in limbo because Apple is afraid they might succeed.
- Kevin Fox
I think Jobs sees all competition as zero-sum, so he seems to think Google's out to destroy the iPhone. But I don't know anyone at Google (including on the Android team) that thinks this way. A healthy, heterogeneous market is good for everyone, Google and Apple included.
- Joel Webber
from BuddyFeed
Totally agree, Kevin. It's all psychological bullshit to appeal to incite the fanboys.
- Amy
Agreed, Joel. Google's certainly trying harder than Apple to broaden the smartphone market beyond the high-end. I think Google would be a lot more satisfied if they covered Nokia's global footprint than if they surpassed Apple in unit shipments.
- Kevin Fox
Also, not that it matters but Google bought Android two years before Apple started selling the iPhone. It's not like Google suddenly decide to infringe on Apple's turf.
- Kevin Fox
It saddens me how most of the comments on all the articles covering this story agree with Steve that Google is somehow evil. Le sigh...
- Michael Leggett
Google was so lost in the browser for many years. Most of the companies who are not Web oriented were not even interested in what Google was doing. And now current acts such as Android and Chrome OS get their reactions, because all suddenly Google changed roadmaps -- suddenly means last 2-3 years in my scale.
- Burcu Dogan
Nokia didn't enter Apple's market and sell iPods or iMacs or MacBooks, I wonder how Nokia feels about Apple's entry into smartphones? ;-p
- Ray Cromwell
also any developer dealing with apple found. and adobe-flash plugin could get the idea what steve says..
- mehmet t. akalın
Yeah - those are the types of things a cult leader says to his cult to get them to rally against the enemies ;-)
- Jesse Stay
I say.. even this cute company called Apple is bullshit too.. They are lazy bastards as well..
- Pico Seno
Well said, Aaron - motivation is good for us all :-) I like new Google AND Apple technology.
- Jesse Stay
If I were sitting there at the iPad announcement, I would have been waiting for a runner to come down the aisle to throw a sledgehammer through the screen with Jobs's face on it.
- Gabe
@Paul, you're starting to sound a little too much like Gordon Gecko
- Fleagle
Are you implying that competition is bad Fleagle? Monopolies tend to be abusive, or at best lazy. Google competing with the iPhone may not be what's best for Apple, but it's better for the rest of the world. I declare it 99.9% good :)
- Paul Buchheit
No @Paul, I actually don't care to be honest. I just love the movie "Wall Street."
- Fleagle
@Paul as a matter of fact, there had been historical records of true business competition had been causing more harm than good (water supply services few centuries back in London, UK), but you probably won't agree for sake of "competition being good by definition" :) (oh, and I am "all pro competition" too, but I do like historical facts)
- A. T.
@Paul also Apple vs Google vs very-few-more-key-players vs rest-is-negligible fits perfectly oligopoly case - do you like oligopoly? :)
- A. T.
There's competition where each company tries to out-innovate the other and there's competition where they try to undermine the other. In my experience Google represents the former.
- Kevin Fox
Competition is evil. If Apple loses because of Google, it would have to fire innocent employees, and Google won't replace the lost jobs by selling their phones online.
- Jérôme
from iPhone
The nice thing about Android is that it is monopoly/oligopoly resistant because it is open source. If Google pushes it too far, or stops innovating, someone else (e.g. Microsoft) can fork it and create their own competitive strain of Android. The same is not true of iPhone obviously.
- Paul Buchheit
is that really true Paul? Isn't this Google slamming into MS and Apple trying to take market share with another prop system?
- Thomas Power
Yes, I think there are already some non-Google Android devices, though none of the popular ones are. I doubt Microsoft will ever do it for the same reason that they aren't adopting WebKit for IE, but technically they could (and perhaps should).
- Paul Buchheit
Android's already being used in several non-cellphone devices like media players from Archos and Barnes & Noble's Nook e-reader.
- Kevin Fox
How's it feel to be, according to Valleywag, the face of Google's counter-Apple strategy post-Jobs lashing out? http://gawker.com/5461539... Bloggers are silly.
- Mark Trapp
I think it's funny that Ryan Tate didn't mention my staunch advocacy of Apple's stance on Flash.
- Kevin Fox
I'm rolling my eyes at that gawker article. (Nice find, Mark.)
- Stephen Mack
I want to know when Facebook is going to build their own Android phone. ;-)
- Jesse Stay
O sweet so this thread is a developing news story about a news story about a #headexplodes
- LANjackal
Or what I really want to know is when Ryan Tate is going to start using FriendFeed ;-)
- Jesse Stay
You guys might want to check out Gruber's additional perspective on what Jobs said. http://www.wired.com/epicent... Note, in particular, the updates. It sounds like the original report painted his comments more harshly than they were delivered.
- The original Kevin
For the record (and since there are now a lot of people reading this thread who don't know me, my stance and my tone) I totally get why Steve said the things he said, and I don't really begrudge him for it. It's sad that he chose to rally his troops by implying that the other guy's got it in for them, so they'd better fight back hard, but it's nothing compared to calling your competitors Nazis: http://fury.com/2005...
- Kevin Fox
I'd like to ask Apple about their thoughts and plans about Maps, and about online advertising, two businesses that Google entered first.
- Kevin Fox
Really? I thought he was mad at Microsoft and IBM a *lot* in the 80s. The whole 1984 ad was a poke at IBM. It is funny though that externally he says that nobody's come close to where the iPhone was 3 years ago, but to his own troops he's saying 'Google's out to get us, so watch out.'
- Kevin Fox
Not that old-mindsets are particularly constructive, but I think Jobs, in particular his mindset, is a product of the OS wars of the '80s and '90s. Microsoft was out to get Apple with its second-rate products and infinite cash reserves: Apple was the last stand between Microsoft, the death of innovation, and the proliferation of mediocrity. Now that Microsoft has been vanquished, the...
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- Mark Trapp
I think the only thing standing in the way of Google-targeted ad campaigns like Apple's "Redmond: Start your photocopiers" ads is the fact that Google's brand is viewed even more favorably than Apple's. Apple can't publicly attack a company that people love without taking a serious hit.
- Kevin Fox
Apple is afraid. They don't enter the search business because they know they can't win. Google sees a way to put customers/devs first and does see a way to succeed.
- Nathan Snyder
Kevin: I think the 1984 ad was a poke at what Apple was to become in 2010.
- Gabe
Respectfully, I think the level of Google fanboi-ism is equal to that of Apple. Google is an innovative company. So is Apple. Neither is devoid of warts.
- The original Kevin
I love both Apple and Google, but I hate it when they fight or act spoiled.
- Kevin Fox
Yes, and despite (or because of) SJ being kind of a nut, Apple is still awesome and I'll be buying a tablet :)
- Paul Buchheit
It's fun to watch extremely controlling people throw tantrums when they don't get their way. Waaaaaah!
- Garmon Estes
Just curious: Paul, will you buy it because you need it or because you trust Apple for having designed the tablet you'll love?
- Jérôme
Apparently there can only be one maker of phones. Does that mean that phones with keyboards are evil?
- Sam Levine
Schmidt should have excused himself from Apple's board conversations on the iPhone, when he was well aware that Google is (secretly) working on Android & Nexus One. This definitely falls within the definition of evil. I'm actually surprised it's legal.
- Tal Broda
I don't think Android was secret -- Google bought the company a long time ago.
- Paul Buchheit
None of you feel that Eric Schmidt sitting on Apple's board while developing competing technology is evil?
- Richard Luther
It was disclosed to Apple and they chose to continue having him on the board (or do you think he just make up a random excuse to leave the room every time the iPhone was discussed?) Why would that be evil Richard?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't get it. Why do Apple fanboys hate competition? I personally love it that the iPad is perceived as competition to the Kindle. Competition is good for the consumer!
- Piaw Na
@Piaw Okay, fine. Let Jobs sit on the Google board while developing an Apple search engine.
- Richard Luther
Richard, if he disclosed that fact, and Google still wanted him on the board, then there would be nothing wrong with doing that.
- Paul Buchheit
And I wouldn't mind at all if Apple tried its hand at a search engine. In fact, they did do spotlight. :-)
- Piaw Na
Here's the deal, folks. It's not about hating competition, it's about hating working together. Apple and Google have historically had strong ties. The two companies have worked closely on many products. Both companies have benefitted, and IMO consumers have benefitted. Do you think Google helped or harmed that relationship when they decided to compete directly with Apple?
- Richard Luther
They harmed the relationship but helped the world. That seems like a fair deal to me. We should be nervous when big companies get too close.
- Paul Buchheit
I was always uncomfortable with that relationship.
- Piaw Na
Richard, Google decided to enter the mobile OS space before Apple had a phone.
- Daniel Dulitz
Paul, I agree that the competition this situation created is great for us, the consumers, but if you look at when Eric recused himself, and consider when the first iPhone shipped, you will see a problem.
- Tal Broda
Sure, I see a problem, but the problem is too MUCH implicit collusion between Google and Apple, not too little. I do think that it is probably true that the close relationship between Google and Apple led them to compete less than they otherwise would have, and that was a bit "evil". But that makes it GOOD that that is changing.
- David desJardins
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