what method does tornado use to pull updates that it pushes realtime?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave is XMPP based... hence my earlier question RE how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to know when noreply and donotreply goes away from Facebook notification emails.
- Jay Cuthrell
Mochiweb (Erlang web framework) has some pretty easy to use support for long-polling too. Use it at http://replies.twitterfall.com for the streaming API there. I think Facebook use it for chat? (guess)
- Jalada
Agreed Steve.......This is now officially WAY over my head.... ;-)
- Mike Kelly
So, Bret... any plans for a near-term Tornado meetup?
- Ken Sheppardson
Has there been any discussion on any top line scaling metrics they are shooting for now? i.e. transcations per second, etc.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thursdays between 1 - 2pm SFO likes to fly jets over the NGL studios! We must have a talk about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can anyone ask Bret if Friendfeed plans to open source more of their code. Would love to see how Friendfeed handles the aggregation of all the user feeds.
- arjo
Yeah I know about that, unless I'm mistaken it doesn't have the newsgang live from tue 09/08
- Michael Breslin
I've only been recording episodes of the Gillmor Gang so unless someone else has recorded NewGang you will have to wait until Steve puts it on YouTube
- Jack
Mike: That link is to the same file as in the bootleg feed
- Jack
I'm trying to find a formula for generating the perfect tweet (then I can automate it!). Here's what I have so far: Statement of fact (preferably one that shows how awesome or lame your life is) followed by witty insight or observation.
Apply the formula here, or propose a better formula. This was inspired by a discussion of what my brother's dog would tweet if he had a twitter account (and could tweet). It started with "Just got neutered.", but then we had trouble coming up with the witty insight or observation part.
- Paul Buchheit
People seem to be big fans of pithy observations of life phrased as a rhetorical question followed by the phrase "just sayin'" and an irrelevant hashtag lately. Another one to add to your generator would be a 3 sentence verbose response to the topic of the day, but with the vowels taken out to fit in a 140 character tweet.
- Mark Trapp
[Current event related snippet] followed by [applicable proverb, idiom or combination of the two] #hashtag Plz RT
- Eric Logan
Is this going to be the "I'm feeling lucky" button on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
{situation|product} is {overrated|underrated}. It's like {verb}ing in a {place} with a {object}.
- Francesco Balducci
Here is the issue: A witty insight or observation is not made witty by the creator but by the observer. So, unless your automator will tweet and laugh at itself or somehow guess the minds of your audience, it might have issues.
- Aditya Mittal
Start with Fark.com headline generation rules and then remove the news story subtext ;)
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I prefer Tweets with links to valuable resources and opinions.
- Garin Kilpatrick
How about 'Bacon - what's your favourite ?'
- Andy C
i know this is true (this sentence manages to be both parts).
- kosmar
For me, the perfect tweet is a link to a high-quality document, accompanied by a terse summary of its core content. Those are pretty much the only tweets I pay attention to.
- Sean McBride
My favorite tweets say just enough to make you sooo curious you have to follow the "in reply to" to know what the heck they're talking about! In other words... it's real & witty conversation. =)
- Arleen Anderson
Sounds like you have a 50% winner. "How about "I hope you humans are happy with your life!"
- Houseofmax
I, for one, welcome our new Twitter overlords!
- Bill Sodeman
FUD? Competition? I'm not offering fear, I'm offering hope for a better solution. Echo is not in competition to FriendFeed - it's because of FriendFeed that Echo is relevant.
- Chris Saad
I dont understand how you can argue that we shouldnt rely upon one privately owned platform, while at the same time selling your own?
- Nick Halstead
Blogs are open platforms because the only thing a competing platform (competing to Wordpress for example) needs to do to participate is build a better tool and provide an RSS endpoint. Echo, similarly, uses open standards/data and sits on these open platforms. You can easily switch it for another real-time streaming service. Neither of these require you to participate in a single platform to join the conversation.
- Chris Saad
The platform is the web and each component is easily interchanged if a better solution comes along - that's the point
- Chris Saad
Fear Uncertainty Doubt Paul gave no commitments. Read MG's post again. 51 minutes of commitments.
- Steve Gillmor
I did better, I watched the video :) He did not commit to keeping FriendFeed iterating much less competitive and you never pushed him on the point. More importantly, though, I don't understand why you wouldn't want your own blog/software to be as good or better than a centralized tool. You want likes and threading on comments in FriendFeed? Why not use a blog instead and choose a tool that has likes and threading? You have total power
- Chris Saad
I pushed him to get the API commitment which is the whole ballgame. FF is the shit, so the whole blogs argument is meaningless for me. More toys the better. Off to decentralize my nervous system with acupuncture check in
- Steve Gillmor
Chris, if FF falters, there will plenty of things coming along that will replace it... some may even be better, and more open... that's what we're trying to do with Grabbit.net, and we thought we could beat FF even before the Faceborg assimilation... just build a better service... with as much open-ness and platform-ness as possible... we will have the beta out in September, so I hope you check it out and give us your feedback! Same goes to you, Steve! And thanks for pushing for the API support! Cool!
- Fred Davis
@Fred if you remain a pure aggregator instead of a generator I will be very impressed - seems like product teams can't resist adding content creation tools into their products
- Chris Saad
It's not just product teams, it's the users. FF didn't take-off until they added all their proprietary goodies (like, comments, etc).
- Carter Rabasa
@Carter that's a failure of imagination from both groups ;)
- Chris Saad
Chris, definitely an aggregation play... for all types of near-real-time messaging... and a big open-source platform play that I shouldn't say more about now... but members of certain open source communities will be very excited about our platform tie-ins ;-)
- Fred Davis
Of course, I'm biased, 'cuz it's my baby... but we're basically trying to build the product we really want to use... and just build it from our hearts more than our brains, if you know what I mean... things created with love usually turn out better than things created by greed ;-)
- Fred Davis
The issue that most folks in these circles (and by that I mean anyone that has figured out how to reach this FF thread (or whatever the term is)) have not grasped is that to make a service "dead" there must be a definitive stop of whatever can define as the major systems that support it. Make any analogous statement to heart or a nervous system you want. When I consider Google Wave, FriendFeed, richer so-called microblog formats, and rebooting/CPR/transplants into other "dead" systems: I smile. Zombieweb.
- Jay Cuthrell
It is funny to see this argument while Yelp gains a million NEW users per month. Facebook is gaining that per week. Twitter every few weeks. So Chris the market has already decided to yawn. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Never known u to just go along with a trend Robert. Chris Saad Please excuse brevity and typos - Sent from my iPhone
- Chris Saad
from email
Thats interesting to know, seems I got too late into FF. I just were starting.
- Luis Torres
Chris - By definition, a revolution needs a leader. Are you going back to the Radioactive days? On the Internet, a blogging revolution would require a 'central place' to organize, find and discuss the merits of an idea. Dead or not, Friendfeed was the closest thing to it that I can remember. If the team can manage to 'port' a Friendfeed-like system to Facebook and / or continue to...
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- Charlie Anzman
Can Friend Feed + Troll = FROLL? As a noncelebrity I must say that claiming that one tech is dead while actively working on something that would compete in the same market is pretty obtuse of you.
- Jeremy Behrens
Not sure if u know who I am but I've been advocating this for years - my work follows my philosophy not the other way around. Also the product I work on exists in part because of friendfeed so it's not competition. Chris Saad Please excuse brevity and typos - Sent from my iPhone
- Chris Saad
from email
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
I definitely need to spend more time with it, because on first impression, it's just too much information in one place.
- cecily
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Edwin, one main suggestion - use plain language. Why call it "no thanks" when "mark item as read" is more intuitive (and doesn't require guessing)?
- cecily
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
I tried it but wasn't that impressed with it.
- BCK
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
"The new interface of Google Docs, which is slowly rolled out to all users, brings the service one step closer to an online storage service. The "items by type" menu replaced "PDFs" with "Files", suggesting that Google Docs will allow users to upload any type of files."
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
Just tried a .exe and it wouldn't let me.
- Mark Layton
These are the only files you can upload: Types of files that you can upload: Documents (up to 500KB) HTML files and plain text (.txt). Microsoft Word (.doc, .docx), Rich Text (.rtf), OpenDocument Text (.odt) and StarOffice (.sxw). Presentations (up to 10MB from your computer, 2MB from the web, 500KB via email) Microsoft PowerPoint (.ppt, .pps). Spreadsheets (up to 1MB) Comma Separated...
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- Shevonne
Do you know guys that Ionut, author of Google Operating System, is on Friendfeed http://friendfeed.com/onu? I think it would be cool to share his posts - here's the one http://friendfeed.com/onu... - rather than repost them. Thus, we could find easily the links to original discussions.
- Jérôme Flipo
16-minutes with cofounder of SoundCloud, which won two TechCrunch Europa awards right after this meeting. (Best design and best entertainment service).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm really sorry for being off-topic, but I am curious what camcorder you used to capture that video. Thanks! I'm watching it as I type this, as a matter of fact.
- Darren Landrum
it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments
- Trent Olson
I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed.
- Mack D. Male
Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped
- Glenn Slaven
I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is.
- Ryne Nelson
concur, very useful to have. Make it a display option. Those who would think it's clutter can turn it off then.
- Alexander Falk
It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left.
- Benjamin Golub
All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!?
- TommaSorchiotti
Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out...
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain).
- Jason Wehmhoener
Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer.
- James Polley
yeah ! and a hide fonction for each comment
- Jonathan
we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change
- Noah David Simon
a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly
- Ruben Llibre
Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered.
- Pat Hawks
just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up
- Noah David Simon
Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post.
- John Duff
If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol
- Russellreno
A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago.
- Mike Fruchter
<--- try hover your mouse cursor on that little dialog icon
- topo
Sorry it's not more obvious, but if you hover your mouse over the comment icon you will see the time that the comment was made. Thanks for letting us know that it's hard to find! The feedback is much appreciated.
- Ross Miller
I believe they are timestamped but this data is not yet displayed.... you're right !
- David Berrebi
other than timestamp I also want to be able to like the comments individually =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
This thread shows what happens when nobody reads the comments before theirs
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF