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It's kinda bizarre seeing the 7 Stages of Grief play out in real-time before me ~ http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
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There there................no stop.......please............ look you are getting me started.......sniff...............now come on stop.................sob.......................and so on........
- Kevin J Hatton
1. SHOCK & DENIAL - You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.
- CannonGod
2. PAIN & GUILT - As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs. You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.
- CannonGod
3. ANGER & BARGAINING - Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion. You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")
- CannonGod
4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS - Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving. During this time, you finally realize the...
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- CannonGod
5. THE UPWARD TURN - As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.
- CannonGod
6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH - As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.
- CannonGod
7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE - During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.
- CannonGod
The fun part about the Kubler-Ross stages of grief is that it isn't a linear progression, you can experience multiple stages all at once, and you can always go back to another stage even if you're already reached acceptance.
- Victor Ganata
fun?
- Chris Heath
Fun, meaning, not very fun at all. :)
- Victor Ganata
I would have a little compassion and hug this child.
- NANCY DALRYMPLE
this could be a dissertation.
- shaun mclane
They really are. I've been going through them since 3:30 PM EST.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
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Facebook - leave FriendFeed alone! - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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You know the drill...
- CannonGod
from Bookmarklet
:)
- Josh Haley
Epic!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Totally agree :)
- Harold
Calm down, everythings gonna be allrite :P
- Murat Can Demir
You are kinda hot when upset.
- Sparky
I have posted this on my FB wall!
- Kevin J Hatton
hahahahaha
- Petr Buben
LOL
- Internet Strategist
You seriously made me LOL! Thanks!
- directeur
hey buddee,they would take good care of ur Little FF , O(∩_∩)O
- zeaz
If they screw it up I'll be mad.... Jaiku is dead, where do we go from here?
- Simon Tracey
Somehow I could never tire of this! lol
- Kevin J Hatton
that is *SO* good.
- Zee.
Awesome. :-)
- Ladybug Heather
Wonderful!
- jcunwired
Facebook Acquires FriendFeed???? WTF? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Steven Perez, Mrsth, Joe Dawson and 71 other people liked this
Facebook has acquired FriendFeed, we’ve learned. We’re gathering details now.
- Thomas Hawk
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No.
- Yolanda
anyone think this is true?
- Thomas Hawk
wah!? The timing would be interesting for me because I just had a big "discussion" with a friend last week about how I won't join Facebook because it's not open like FriendFeed.
- Ben Reierson
What.
- joey
please GOD No!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
What?!?!
- Kevin Whalen
hrm.
- michael sean wright
Crazy.
- Eric Florenzano
Noo... please... don't let this be true!
- Hector
To publish this and it not be true would be bad.
- Kevin Whalen
I wonder if this means that photos of nursing women won't be allowed on FriendFeed anymore.
- Thomas Hawk
Acquiring them as their R&D lab?
- mikepk
any guesses on the price? Anything less than $100 million would mean that they sold it for too little.
- Thomas Hawk
Boom! Direct shot to Twitter.
- Jeff Beckham
Holy Fucking Cow. I don't want this.
- Zio Bonino
Assuming it's true.... why would it happen?
- Ryan - @magicofpi
I thought Google was going to acquire FF
- Francine Hardaway
Not giving hits to the Techcrunch asshole, will wait for a responsible media outlet to cover
- Gabriel
Well considering FriendFeed had investment rounds aroung $5m (If I remember correctly) a 20x return would put it around 100m, so that would be a good guess.
- mikepk
WTF!
- Carlos Ayala
If it's not true TechCrunch is not going to look good here.
- Thomas Hawk
don't know if this is good or bad. i hate using facebook.
- Dusty Edenfield
Screw You Arrington!! LOL
- Edgar Rodríguez
If true this can't be good (at least not for FF users).
- Brian Sullivan
daaaaamn
- Tsega Dinka
So what does this really mean?
- Michelle
I hope this is not true and Arrington dives in his own shit. (though it's kinda suspect that the friendfeeders haven't commented yet).
- Zio Bonino
well if this is true, it'll be time to move on. i'll be able to concentrate on some of my projects, thats for sure.
- Carlos Ayala
Oh god, please, no!
- James Myatt
Arrington is definitely not the most trustworthy person in the world, but we'll see
- Lawrence Oluyede
No!
- Niki Costantini
i trully hope not :-((
- Del_
Well, so they bought they R&D department. Was about time.
- Lars Trieloff
please keep the platforms separate. wow!
- Stuart Miniman
:(
- ӊooқ
Curious why so many think this would be such a bad thing?
- Tsega Dinka
Not liking the sound of this so far... Hopefully it won't turn out like the Yahoo - Flickr marriage!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Yahoo Flickr wasn't bad IMO
- LANjackal
This is horrible news.... I can't believe they'd do this
- Matthew DeVries
Maybe I don't know enough about FF, but what is everyone so bummed about?
- Katie Wynne
I think some think that it's a bad idea Tsega because FF represents a *vastly* superior content platform than Facebook and some might be concerned that Facebook would end up killing FF as we know it and trying to assimilate us all into their inferior product.
- Thomas Hawk
You nailed it, Thomas.
- Zio Bonino
there was no "long run" to save FF from financially. It's Founders are loaded. They had the luxury of ample financial backing to run it for a long, long time. It will be interesting to see their reasoning on why they did this if in fact it is true.
- Thomas Hawk
For me, FF and FB have two separate purposes: FB is for communicating with my IRL friends and FF is for consuming and sharing content with everyone else, but then I've been on FB since it was select universities only, so maybe I have an outdated opinion of what FB is. They need to keep both products.
- James Myatt
OMG this is terrible :(
- Ale♫nastrorosa
Also, FB is blocked at work, but FF isn't.
- James Myatt
+1 James
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Thomas: I see where you're coming from. To me though, if anything, this will make facebook a better product over all and hopefully FF will remain what it is with more FB integration.
- Tsega Dinka
once upon a time it was "don't be evil"..
- Cristian Conti
Seriously, Is this true? OMG this would be the worst thing ever!!! This is a joke RIGHT??!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
chances are FF will be nuked. There's not much in it for Facebook to run two separate networks. The wording that Bret chose to use on the blog pretty much paints that case in my opinion. FF is worth so much more for it's potential than for it's users and I think Facebook wouldn't care if they lost 100% of the current users if they get unfettered access to implement the best tech ideas into their current product.
- Thomas Hawk
Jannifer, I wish it were. But it is true. You can read Brett's post here: http://ff.im/6pFNz
- Dilip Dand
crazy crazy stuff.
- Zac Bowling
yeah, the phrase "for the time being" is a scary one.
- Ryan - @magicofpi
As in, "Friendfeed will continue to operate for the time being."
- Ryan - @magicofpi
The team will probably be locked into a 2 year employment with Facebook while their equity fully vests and then will end up jumping ship. This acquisition will likely make Facebook a little bit better, but we probably lose FF in the process which is too bad.
- Thomas Hawk
I was kinda hopin FriendFeed would open source some of their sauce but I guess now that's even less of a probability.
- matthew john ernisse
I don't have a good feeling about this. :-( Why have two services with so many overlaps. FF will be integrated into FB in the long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why is the worse company the ones in charge, that is where I'm just freakin baffled. Friendfeed is a better freakin product.....
- Matthew DeVries
gee, i step away from my desk for an hour and all heck breaks loose
- Imabug
you'd better delete any content (photos for instance) you posted in your feed that you don't want FB to own when they get their claws in.
- Joe Silence Basketballs
Matthew: FB had the $$$.
- Joe Silence Basketballs
When I look at how I used FB and how I use FF (which I am still new to) FBs purchase would actually suck in my world. I only use FB to keep up with my fam and friends and I don't do that very well because I loathe the interface. FF is fresh for a newer user like me. Adds a lot of value in terms of the knowledge sharing that goes on here. To think that this service would get sucked up by...
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- Michelle
Agree with many of the comments on here. I'm concerned Facebook will basically just take all of FriendFeed's great properties and fold it in the large kingdom that is Facebook. A great service, FriendFeed may just become FB's Twitter. (Funny, too, that we're mourning the potential demise of FriendFeed on FriendFeed. Kind of like the newspaper biz writing 1000s of articles about its own demise in its papers.
- Keith Trivitt
But all my extended family is on FaceBook! Where do I hide now?
- Ted Gilchrist
Keith - well, now we know what happens when Facebook gets jealous...
- Ryan - @magicofpi
Single women gaze longer - http://www.brainmysteries.com/researc...
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"In the study¹, published in the March issue of Human Nature, women both with and without sexual partners showed little difference in their subjective ratings of photos of men when considering such measures as masculinity and attractiveness. However, the women who did not have sexual partners spent more time evaluating photos of men, demonstrating a greater interest in the photos. No such difference was found between men who had sexual partners and those who did not."
- Kol Tregaskes
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...but only at me, jealous. Or wondering if they need a restraining order. Still trying to figure that out.
- Andy Bold
I can't believe people get paid to do this kind of research. Isn't it obvious? If a woman has a bf (that she's happy with) then she's generally not all that interested in other guys, hence she doesn't really show much interest in the photos. Whereas the single women are like 'Oooh'. And well, most men I've met ogle at women whether they're in a relationship or not.
- Amy
But now we have scientific evidence! Seriously, I think it was worth it; I mean, a lot of times the things we /just know/ aren't actually true.
- Andrew C
OK to help David and the guys with their new cool project, name your desire for 'Purefold', what would you like to see from it, what would you like to get out of it?
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What sites/services would you like the service to appear on/use? FriendFeed is the hub and, of course, everyone on Twitter can get involved but any other sites and services that you think Purefold could benefit from? For example. YouTube for video? What site for audio? Comic, a video game? How would you like it to work on FriendFeed?
- Kol Tregaskes
Purefold is built upon the ideology of RSS. Has anyone told Dave Winer this? ;-)
- zeroinfluencer
Rob - fine with me. As long as he gives me attribution. ;-)
- zeroinfluencer
Haha, David.
- Kol Tregaskes
what's the elevator pitch pls?
- mike "glemak" dunn
ah, i finally was able to look at the site (http://www.purefold.com/) friendfeed harvesting as the first step towards singularity & tell the story as it proceeds - got it, i'm in ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
this sounds really very interesting indeed! if you need a place to aggregate/curate/communicate with video, images, text audio and links (V.I.T.A.L) please do ping me about Phreadz ;) http://phreadz.com (shameless plug) - something like this sounds perfect. Either way, I'm very interested to see how this pans out. Brilliant! :)
- kosso
vital = phreadz very nice kosso (you guys still in uk i assume?)
- mike "glemak" dunn
@glemak : I'm in San Francisco at the moment - possibly for a month or so ;)
- kosso
Kosso - sure - we'll be utilizing all platforms and online tools to tell the story - or rather - the audience will determine the tools they wish to use - as long as it has an RSS feed, it will integrate with the Purefold franchise.
- zeroinfluencer
lol - gee i wonder if phreadz leverages rss, hmmm - (inside joke w/ kosso) sorry ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
;) RSS, JSON, OPML - just about anything ;p - it's a universal social multimedia forum/platform with the ability to feed content from every major multimedia platform ;) : Here's an overview http://phreadz.com/x...
- kosso
Just one thought - did I click a Friendfeed box when I signed up that said that my comments were CC-ASA 3.0? At the end of the day what I write here is public, but it is my content. Like I say, just a thought, but also a possible beartrap coming...
- Andy Bold
Interesting point, Andy.
- Kol Tregaskes
++Andy. This needs much more discussion.
- Micah Wittman
OK, so now that I have read some more it looks like I would have to actively choose to participate in a Purefold thread. At first glance I thought that it would be scraping Friendfeed for content. Still an issue though - it should be clear in a thread that is going to be used that participation is subject to the CC license. And please make it as clear as possible without requiring somebody to click to somewhere else and figure out some legalese :-)
- Andy Bold
Hey Andy, Indeed, Friendfeed doesn't have an explicit Creative Commons tick box. But the genius of Friendfeed is that comment lines (here) can be used to set a licence. So all you should have to do is state the licence e.g. CC-BY-SA and we can retrieve items via the Friendfeed API. Any import items (your flickr, youtube, blog posts) all should have licence applied there (licence the source).
- zeroinfluencer
Also, there are other ways we are interacting with Purefold groups on Friendfeed, which we'll explain over the next few weeks.
- zeroinfluencer
Purefold hits Wired within 40 hours. (They were briefed 6 months ago) - http://www.wired.com/underwi...
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Mr Anderson, your long tail is here.
- zeroinfluencer
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long tail LOL
- meika loofs samorzewski
New Blog Post: Early Adopters and Finding "The Next Shiny Object" http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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"You can sit on the sidelines and see this happening everywhere. In fact, much of the backlash against Twitter of late has been from the early adopter community who has been largely ignored, in favor of the celebrity of the week, making those who pushed the service initially feel like they are unwanted." This part of your post deserves a post on its own. There are many cases thinkable...
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- Alexander van Elsas
What exactly is the problem with Twitter's growth? Who cares if there are accounts with 30K followers and no content? Its not like you are required to follow them. Just ignore them, right?
- Brendan Clancy
Brendan, the problem for me is that 95% of the alert e-mails I get from Twitter are now from bs accounts. Makes the feature unusable, and that is not what I hoped it would be.
- Alexander van Elsas
Alex: From spammers following you? Thats true, that is obnoxious. I just don't understand why going mainstream would make Twitter any less useful than it ever was. As long as you don't go following Ashton and Oprah, you still get what you are looking for.
- Brendan Clancy
I would like to be able to see who is following me, in order for em to make a decision if I would like to follow them as well. This becomes impossible if Twitter isn't willing to get rid of all these spam and fake traffic driver accounts.
- Alexander van Elsas
we had a little chat about this on phreadz : http://phreadz.com/x...
- kosso
I've written about Twitter passing WSJ/NYT in traffic, how we use Twitter for journalism, Twitter's tech partnerships, Twitter as a world changing technology platform, how Twitter pays my rent, how Twitter can be used for competitive intelligence, I wrote the SHIT out of last week's replies fiasco. Guess how many of 47 Twitter employees follow me.
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- Marshall Kirkpatrick
it's not about me feeling entitled to be followed, almost every person there follows like 150 people. it's about a. whether they use the tool the way many of the rest of us do and thus know how best to use it (there's awesome potential)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
and b. whether they even care.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I'm feeling sad about the future of twitter b/c I worry that the company is just going to dumb it down for mainstream users when it used to be this huge open platform with SO much potential for innovation. even if they didn't want to use it that way, it's tragic if they muzzle it so that mainstream users don't get scared away. twitter is supposed to be world changing tech, that can be frightening, but it's important
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
someone please tell me I'm wrong about this so I can go back to being really excited about Twitter again!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
your wrong* feel better now? ;-)... (*have no idea if you really are wrong btw)
- Steve O'Hear
I wish I could. I've been feeling similarly in recent weeks. I've even started to wonder if Twitter Inc understands Twitter. ;)
- phil baumann
My guess would be that they way they see it, they have their heads down driving towards ubiquity and establishing Twitter as a standard platform. Building market share, so to speak. Everything that doesn't contribute directly to the number of users on the platform can wait.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that sounds accurate and really dangerous.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Ken's probably right.
- phil baumann
<snip>use the tool the way many of the rest of us do<snip> This is a common mistake made by first movers and early adopters. The way *we* use it is not the only, best or even most profitable way. Which isn't to suggest they have a plan in place that will work -- simply that basing the assumption on how it is used by a small, tiny sect of the population (the digerati) is not a way to...
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- Brad_King
Marshall. Why don't we all decide to start ignoring them. Maybe that will teach them. They get too much free publicity for a poor job done in the past months ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Brad, that's a thoughtful comment for sure. To put it in context, though, hiding messages due to fear of information overload **on Twitter** is a clear move away from open, in my mind.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Brad - kinda like duct tape: can be used in ways never originally intended.
- phil baumann
do we need to relegate Twitter to the yet-another-mass-market source and find the next thing that allows power-consumers to thrive? I.E. what folks are now using FriendFeed for?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I don't know what Twitter Inc hopes to become. I think it's service would be as facilitator. i just don't know what it should facilitate. So far it looks like they're facilitating things for celebs.
- phil baumann
@Marshall: certainly there will be missteps. I am more interested in how they respond and what they do to fix those mistakes. In the dev world, errors happen all the time. HOW they respond to such mistakes, I think, are where we see what will become of Twitter. (And by open, I meant opening the architecture, not open information - I am more concerned by the dearth of usable Twitter applications than the @ fiasco)
- Brad_King
Marshall - why does it matter if they follow you? How many of the people who have subscribed to your work, retweeted your tweets, etc. do you follow back? Or are you concerned they aren't even paying attention to what's being written about them?
- phil baumann
Brad - good points I think. The response to the @ deal was pretty bad, though. And really, it is a loss of important opportunities to connect with new people on the service.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
They don't use the tool like we do. When the @replies flap happened, I checked @ev and @biz's accounts. Combined they'd only posted three tweets in 24 hours.
- Aaron B. Hockley
Hey Marshall, why don't you start by following back the other 7,000 people on your list? yah, there ya go! ;^)
- Michael Bailey
Phil, yes that is the case. I'm worried about them not listening to what their community of users says about the service.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
to me it appears that all twitter inc cares about is their exit, not the stability or scalability of their product nor the thoughtful analysis of most anyone interested in offering advice
- mike "glemak" dunn
As I understand it, it's as much an engineering issue as it is a marketing/usability one.
- Steve O'Hear
Steve, except that a number of the twitter devs also did not know that the @reply change had happened and advocated internally to reverse it
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Marshall, your point is well taken. I'm not adverse to asymmetrical follows; I think it's prudent if track is used in connection with it. I'm with Ken here -- I think they're just in pedal-to-the-metal-build-market-share mode. This wouldn't bother me if they had one person -- one employee -- who had the task of interfacing with the community; representing twitter, engaging in conversation. I even offered to do it for free...they didn't notice. :) In some circles, it's called community management. :)
- Karoli
:) Michael, fwiw, I follow about 100 times more people than anyone who works at Twitter does. Karoli, that's a fair point.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall - I have the same concern. It doesn't appear that they're listening. It's ironic that they have a great platform to interface with their followers/fans but don't seem to in a creative, enthusiastic way. In fact, the recent communications seemed to have been sarcastic.
- phil baumann
Marshall, yeah I see that. I think that everyone should use http://mobatalk.com since I'm just one guy doing it all by myself, debt up to my eyes, I care about our community, and nobody seems to care.
- Michael Bailey
Not to change the subject, but can we talk about how in the same week Twitter messes with Replies, Tumblr launched another 'dumb down' feature called "Tumblarity" that seems to do the same thing: and that is discourage conversation and encourage people to pump out 'viral' content that appeals to the widest/lowest denominator.
- Mark Schoneveld
Michael - I'll have to tweet that out.
- phil baumann
It's really funny when everyone thought that "Tom" made myspace - what a bunch of marketing crap - here's a guy who really is doing it by himself and there's nobody talking about it.
- Michael Bailey
Thanks @phil
- Michael Bailey
sorry Marshall, I didn't mean to come in here and hijack your conversation - leaving now....
- Michael Bailey
Marshall: Twitter has been like this for a long time. Why do you think I'm pushing Friendfeed so hard for the past 16 months?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, you aren't even "on" friendfeed - I've tried having a conversation w/you there. You just pump feeds into it.
- Michael Bailey
I'm wondering what Twitter, Inc. would look like if it had FF peeps running things. Just a speculative question.
- phil baumann
I do think that they are strategically NOT listening to the tech press. Which is actually pretty smart to some extent. That way they focus on the bigger world and don't worry about getting on TechCrunch or in RWW.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, they don't have to listen to the tech press. However, they ought to be listening to their community. Proactively.
- Karoli
I agree w Robert, it would be smarter to NOT listen to the fishbowl
- Michael Bailey
Michael, you mean except for Scoble's 21000 comments and 18000 likes on friendfeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, no that's not what I mean at all.
- Michael Bailey
Michael: what the hell are you talking about? I'm here almost all day long and have TONS of conversations with people.
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, back to valuable points, like Marshall's
- Christopher Galtenberg
Perhaps NOW you are here (I don't come around often much anymore) - it's not important. No arguments needed.
- Michael Bailey
i agree with scoble....i have been moving to friendfeed because it a) lets me piece the conversation about my company together and b) has an infrastructure that actually works. if you could get all your twitter followers to friendfeed, why would you even need twitter?
- Crackle
Scalability and performance had to be central to their decision making. Removing features (@) doesn't make sense. You've got to wonder why they didn't go down the path that Jive took and look to move toward virtualization technology. A partnership with Amazon should be a no brainer since Bezos is on the board. Not enough cash maybe?
- Kim Feraday
Michael: it's funny. You only have commented here 33 times. Who the hell are you to tell me that I don't have conversations here?
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Christopher, next time just punch me in the face.
- Michael Bailey
Twitter's advantage is only the number of people already signed up. It's a subset of friendfeed.
- Brent Logan
Robert's got a great point about listening to the tech crowd. I just get the sense that Twitter may not be leading the service a path that maximizes what Twitter is worth (if anything). What's Twitter's vision?
- phil baumann
Bait is bait, Robert. You bit. conversation derailed. one of my fundamental objections to the flat thread is how easily a thread can be hijacked.
- Karoli
"Hey Robert - are you up for some beta testing in about 10 days or so? April 6" - that's the only one I was talking about.
- Michael Bailey
Phil: And again, I repeat...Twitter doesn't have to listen to the techies. It *does* need to listen to the community, interact, and respond, proactively.
- Karoli
Karoli: yeah, I'm thinking of blocking Michael. He's obviously an asshole to say something like that. So I missed his message. Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is bigger, faster, and more high profile than anything the management team has done before, and their own personal celebrity seems to have become the growth engine instead of the users behavior and ideas. New users is fine, but retention is going to be critical to be valuable. I think they need to say no to a few PR invitations and possibly and adult supervisor to bring them back to reality. Maybe that's already in the works...
- Nancy King
Karoli - whatever, but before you do, take notice of what a "closed loop" you are making this seem like. No wonder nobody wants to come in here.
- Michael Bailey
Karoli - agree about the listening to community. Not necessarily act on what users think they want, but listen at some level. At least not alienate those who might be useful to their growth.
- phil baumann
Troll
- Christopher Galtenberg
It's all great that Ev and Biz built something successful, but I think it's time they hand it off to some folks who can manage it properly.
- Aaron B. Hockley
JFC, now I am an asshole?
- Michael Bailey
oh snap, Marshall! My guess is 3.
- jeannie christensen
MK, My experience is that my outlook is blasted as crazy or simply misunderstood. The platforms which will continue on the web are the ones which serve the Elite who control most things on this earth. Twitter as currently configured gives the little man too much power, and will be brought under control so as to be useful to a small number of people.
- bill giltner
Michael: yes. When you call me out for missing a single direct message on a series of days when traffic was extraordinarily high you are an asshole. If you really cared you would have tried again.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: especially when I have 18,000 comments here and you only have 33.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble, Michael: Take the pissing somewhere else. We were discussing Twitter.
- Brad_King
Marshall, Jeannie's back on track: how many are following you? Out of curiosity.
- phil baumann
i suggest that friendfeed's comment strings have the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" feature similar to youtube to help keep the conversation on track and hide irrelevant comments
- Crackle
great advice, shall I forward the emal and the DM that I followed up with?
- Michael Bailey
ok Brad, sorry - I get a bit upset when people call me names. Sorry, let's move along.
- Michael Bailey
From an engineering standpoint, I agree with the new @replies rules.
- Michael Bailey
Brad: sorry for getting off topic here.
- Robert Scoble
maybe most of us have less than 10k followers, but there are enough "big ones" now and that creates a lot of database pressure
- Michael Bailey
TWO. that's the answer, that was first comment I left. Lead scientist and Rael D. are following me on Twitter, that is all. It's not about me, really, though. It's about listening and participating.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
@Aaron: there's a long valley tradition of that. Michael Lewis wrote a good book, The New, New Thing, about Jim Clark's role trying to transition from start-up to company. (Lewis was a prof of mine in grad school). It offers some interesting insights on what founders go through trying to take their "Blood" and turn it into a community use project. I think Twitter is simply going through this crossroads transition.
- Brad_King
@Michael, Scoble: We still love everyone. Sidetracks happen :)
- Brad_King
Phil, lots of issues could have been headed off at the pass with someone talking to the community at large. Example: API throttling. Most users saw it as a power play rather than a necessity. What the twitter dudes don't get is that their community isn't just geeks and celebs. Lots of regular folk who are trying to get it.
- Karoli
from BuddyFeed
right, @tropical, yet those @ replies still had to be sorted through
- Michael Bailey
Twitter's employees don't use Twitter the way we want them to, Marshall. Have you taken a look at any of their favorite tweet streams? There is a story there. :)
- Louis Gray
Who thinks Twitter right now is being used the way it was originally intended (whatever that was)?
- phil baumann
original intent? hell no, they didn't even know what it was going to be used for.
- Michael Bailey
Marshall, they don't seem to be very plugged in. http://twitter.100twt.com/
- Dave Winer
I guess it really doesn't matter what we say in here, Twitter still has $55MM sitting around
- Michael Bailey
Their original intent has evolved. that's what happens when you open something up to the community. No single developer can imagine every application for something this simple. Twitter+mobile=gamechanger. Still, there are lessons to learn from MySpace, Friendster, etc. that they don't appear to have learned.
- Karoli
Until a real community ponies up some cash for membership, any new service is always going to be looking for an exit, and in doing so will fuck over the very community which made it what it is.
- Michael Bailey
@Dave If I had to guess I'd say they are quite well plugged in, just not into the "tech crowd" or their own service. But they do quite well generating lots of talk in the world outside of Silicon valley. They've clearly made a choice to ignore this space.
- Alexander van Elsas
I believe the future of micro-blogging as we know it today with all followers seeing all posts is only sustainable in a defined group.
- Pierre-Armand Lalonde
Michael: see your friendfeed account, I'm talking to you on your other message.
- Robert Scoble
@Alexender: Ignore may be too harsh. The reality is the digerati are a small subset of who any company needs to reach. They are simply ALSO listening to other people (is my guess). We don't get our way all the time just because we were here first. (Which isn't to say I don't want my way too.)
- Brad_King
just to be clear again: I'm just using this as a data point re listening to conversations about the twitter technology, not saying I'm in any way entitled to be followed by anyone. fwiw, though, I do have more followers than all but like 5 or 6 of the 47 people on twitter staff and I talk about twitter all the time. so community members find my tweets interesting, just not the ppl i'm tweeting about.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Dave Winer: is that stream twitter employees only? could it be true that one of them doesn't know what friendfeed is?
- Karoli
Karoli - and I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. If you invent something without knowing how far it might go (that is, not having a vision), how do you lead the venture? Is something like Twitter even "leadable"? Or will Twitter turn out to be too fundamental a service to be a business venture?
- phil baumann
Marshall: you are not the only one to notice that Twitter's staff isn't participating in the community. Here's another test. Why is Oprah recommended to me to follow? Why isn't someone like Leo Laporte recommended? Or Dave Winer? Both have been using Twitter a lot longer.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - it appears that Twitter's going for the celebrity market, whatever that'll look like. If that's the case, it doesn't seem to be a very creative vision.
- phil baumann
Or, even worse, Twitter recommends to me to follow a cat, which is obviously a fake account. Why should I follow a cat and not Leo Laporte?
- Robert Scoble
I was the 10,280th person to start using Twitter - recommend me
- Michael Bailey
Phil, that's where community is the critical piece, which goes to Marshall's point. If they are not part of the community *they* created, should we worry? I think, yes, we should. Ignoring community means they don't understand their own product.
- Karoli
Robert, the Twitter team is not following early adopters or the developer community. But the Twitter team does follow the celebs. It's clear what they want to be when they grow up.
- Louis Gray
@Robert you know that is because they are on steroids. Growth is more important than user value. An old web 2.0 flaw ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Twitter is simply the first [service] to offer this new [technology]. as Dan York says, we didn't know we were missing a medium until Twitter showed us. That's exciting. But it's silly to think we'll all use this one Web site in the future, or a different Web site like FriendFeed. Frustrated Twitterati can _now_ take their µblog to their own domain and start collecting followers there...
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- Brian Hendrickson
Nail.on.head - Louis Gray
- Matthew DeVries
Ah, so the message is that the only community that matters is the celebrity crowd. ("in crowd" refrains ringing here...)
- Karoli
Karoli: celebrities are important to generate hype. It's a brilliant strategy. But one that I think will ultimately leave Twitter wanting.
- Robert Scoble
No any community that can gather 1M followers in week :)
- Pierre-Armand Lalonde
Brian Hendrickson: Until they all talk to each other (and they don't right now), they're not relevant. I am a hard-core Identica denizen, but since there's no bridge from twitter back to identica, i don't use it as much. Why? Because the majority of those I call "community" are on Twitter. My social graph is there.
- Karoli
oh, at the core it all boils down to OCD and Ego's
- Michael Bailey
Robert, celebrities are a handful of people. There are millions using Twitter. They seriously cannot manage a handful of celebs and still listen to the larger community?
- Karoli
At some point, people who are spending VC money will need to stop being looked at as "leaders" or "visonaries" and we'll need to start talking about people who are actually making this medium pay-off.
- Michael Bailey
Karoli: well, they do have other things to do too like make their servers work. It's impressive that they've been able to keep the service mostly up and running.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, my point (and it will sound self-serving but I mean it in a much more general way), is that out of 47 employees, not one is tasked with monitoring and interfacing with the community. That strikes me as poor business.
- Karoli
@Karoli Twitter execs don't need to follow or listen to anyone as their service grows like crazy without any effort on their side. It's a short term winning strategy, but severely flawed as pointed out here. Question is do they really care? Evidence seems to be pointing towards "don't care"
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: agree.
- Karoli
Alexander - it does appear they don't care. Which begs the question: why do we care? :)
- phil baumann
@Karoli my self-serving counterpoint would be something like "I spent 11,000 hours developing a system based on the community feedback, and now nobody cares" so I don't blame Twitter for NOT listening.
- Michael Bailey
the "community" is real quick to say things like "follow your passion" or "don't give up" and yet when someone actually sticks it out and makes the technology work, those same people are nowhere to be found.
- Michael Bailey
@Karoli there is a bridge http://tw2omb.singpolyma.net/ and my software has the client feature but i'm revamping it at the moment, and I believe identi.ca/evan is working on it for Laconica
- Brian Hendrickson
Just because they are not following doesn't mean they are not listening. There are plenty of way to mine the data without having a huge following list.
- WorldofHiglet
@WorldofHiglet: well said!
- Brad_King
I care because in essence I have always felt Twitter was a GREAT service. That feeling is disappearing fast now that I am forced to pay attention to 95% spam/traffic account following notifications. Takes away all the fun in discovering new people. I will be forced to mark Twitter e-mail notifications as spam, and that is a FAIL for what used to be a great service.
- Alexander van Elsas
Michael, I understand the frustration. But twitter has the user base to justify some modicum of community management.
- Karoli
@Karoli agreed on the user base, but mixing their technology with the ego-serving attitude of a vocal-minority doesn't work out well.
- Michael Bailey
Alexander - ditto
- phil baumann
Like I said in another thread, Twitter is evolving. They're evolving into a finely tuned organism optimized to add users at the fastest possible rate with the smallest possible footprint and the minimum amount of engineering effort and infrastructure investment.
- Ken Sheppardson
I am far more concerned abt the lack of good Twitter Apps and of a user-interface that allows me to *easily* go through my list of followers, form groups, delete and block, recategorize by location (for when I travel), ect. Those are the user tools that would be *most* beneficial, I think.
- Brad_King
WorldofHiglet actions speak louder than words. Not once has Twitter demonstrated that they had the first clue what the community at large was doing or how they were using the service, nor have they indicated that they care.
- Karoli
@karoli, those are the 47 Twitter employees in the article that came out last week. And you can tell what they're tuned into by what they talk about, same as anyone else. They don't really talk about much, themselves, they aren't even conversing. I don't think they're following celebs, I don't think they're following anyone. That's just how it looks from reading the conversation.
- Dave Winer
@davewiner it's astounding that one of them doesn't know what friendfeed is.
- Karoli
@brad_king I could build that, no problem.
- Michael Bailey
Here's another bit of data. I did two of these at the same time, one for the people of the NYT on Twitter and the other for the people of Twitter on Twitter. The Times peoplel discovered my thing within 5 minutes (they noticed when the bot followed them) and they were talking about it immediately, and exchanging theories on what it was. As far as I can tell, the Twitter folk don't yet know we're listening to them.
- Dave Winer
@karoli I know lots of people that do not know what Friendfeed is. That is a Silicon valley attitude ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
@Michael: what I've suggested isn't rocket science of course. I think it's instructive that twitter (and many 2.0 companies) have overlooked the basics of usability. Would love to see those apps get built.
- Brad_King
Dave - that seems to tell us something. So, are they not listening with a purpose/strategy, or just plain old not listening?
- phil baumann
@Brad of course, none of this is rocket science, hell even rocket science itself isn't that difficult - I'm agreeing with you that those features in an app would be beneficial. Be warned however, that the "basics of usability" will be trumped if it doesn't readily serve one's ego.
- Michael Bailey
Knowing human nature, Phil, it's probably the latter. It probably never occurred to them to listen.
- Dave Winer
@Phil: Or, might I suggest a third alternative, they are simply not listening to *you*
- Brad_King
Whereas the Times hires people whose profession is to be curious about WTF is going on.
- Dave Winer
Yeah @Phil, that's probably true (what Brad said). Heck even Dave Winer doesn't listen to me, why would the Twitter folkeratti? ;^)
- Michael Bailey
@Brad - Oh I'm sure they're not. And I don't blame them in that case.:)
- phil baumann
Marshall, are you still here?
- Michael Bailey
@Phil: hahaha!
- Brad_King
Dave Winer popularized recipient-controlled distribution, Jack Dorsey made it 2-way and realtime on a single domain, Evan Prodromou created a way for any site to join a realtime 2-way network.
- Brian Hendrickson
Alexander: When a service is built on your product, it seems to me worthwhile to know it exists. When it's one that wins things like Techcrunch 50, it especially seems worthwhile to be aware of its existence.
- Karoli
Well yeah, but even RSS which was supposed to provide a "summary" ended up shipping the entire contents of a site around the web. Nobody could expect Twitter to anticipate how their system would be used. Nobody can do that.
- Michael Bailey
What a great conversation. looking forward to catching up when I get back from work in the lab.
- Brad_King
okay, I lost the post about identi.ca and laconica...but the identi.ca bridge only goes *to* twitter. It needs a lane going the other way...twitter to identi.ca. [EDIT] Found the post, thanks for the link. First I knew this existed!
- Karoli
Michael - and I suppose anyone with that kind of visionary powers wouldn't be courting Kelso.
- phil baumann
@phil, yeah, and if you find them, invest on my behalf, would ya? ;^)
- Michael Bailey
Yes, I had a crude tweet-pulling client working in my OMB, now fixing it. and @singpolyma wrote the bridge I linked to but I haven't tried it yet, and @evan is getting a lot of requests and I spoke to him briefly about it in San Francisco and it seemed a possibility depending on licensing
- Brian Hendrickson
Even if we could bring in the top 2,500 Twitter users and ask them for a concise list of all the features of a "killer app" it wouldn't be done. Way too many ideas and implementations for a single app.
- Michael Bailey
Yes but when there is a good open source "clone" written in a fast-to-develop language then people will start creating new iterations of this medium
- Brian Hendrickson
@Karoli I think that people living outside the Silicon Valley bubble have never heard of TechCrunch or FF. It may be interesting, it's also true that we tend to find things much more important than the rest of the world. They can do without a service like FF and still live happy ever after ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
we don't need a fast-to-develop language (RoR didn't scale, nor will any others). We need people who understand programming, low-overhead, efficient methods, etc.
- Michael Bailey
It's "programming" - it's not supposed to be easy.
- Michael Bailey
not for a network of millions of microblogs, you're thinking of scaling silos which is different
- Brian Hendrickson
Just checked out Dave's link. The two tweets about Friendfeed are unbelievable
- Jamie
how would those microblogs be connected, if not via a few silos?
- Michael Bailey
there are at least 3 implementations right now of the http://openmicroblogging.org specification for site-to-site microblogging. 1: Laconica 2: OpenMicroBlogger 3: A wordpress plugin called nsw or something. And the Jaiku team has been actively improving the specification.
- Brian Hendrickson
the protocol is just OAuth with a couple of fields added, and it's push-based so there is no polling
- Brian Hendrickson
oh, sounds like a modified pingback structure
- Michael Bailey
it lets people [Follow] you in realtime using a simple push. if you were microblogging at microblog.michaelbailey.com and you had 7,000 people at identi.ca following you, your message would be POSTed one time to that server. if 4,000 people at Leo's army.twit.tv were following you, your server would do a 2nd POST to deliver the notice/status to that community.
- Brian Hendrickson
also, thinking outloud, and a few steps ahead, there'll eventually need to be a "registration" list maintained someplace to facilitate the discovery of what sites I could push to, which is a silo
- Michael Bailey
all instances of OpenMicroBlogger ping a central search server with the URL of each status, and the search feature uses that central server, so that will facilitate discovery, but yes the other thing a "registration" list would do is make the [Follow] process more streamlined, right now you have to copy/paste a URL to follow someone on a site where you have not registered.
- Brian Hendrickson
well, lessons learned from RSS were that people were quick no navigate to the early content aggregators, rather than wondering around looking for individual sites, so the issue of scaling the silo will remain - but, it does sound interesting and I'll look forward to watching it mature.
- Michael Bailey
how many Twitterati would choose blogger.com over self-hosted wordpress? people are definitely interested in this, check out the download count of the #1 software package here http://open.srcphp.com/#top_co...
- Brian Hendrickson
Brian: I think that analogy's distorted a bit. I'd say it's more a question of how many people would install their own email server.
- Ken Sheppardson
off to a good start, but I don't think the first 25,000 will really count, and there's a ways to go for that.
- Michael Bailey
And let me just say that I for one like how FriendFeed comment streams are flat, and the converation wanders all over the map to things that are completely unrelated to the entry, but they always tend to come back on track. It's an actual conversaion, not some explosion of nested comment conversation fragments.
- Ken Sheppardson
agreed - what ken just said ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Ken - well put. An acid trip that brings you back home.
- phil baumann
Ken: openmicroblogger has friendfeed-style vertical comment threads, it also has comet-push for realtime for both notices and comments.
- Brian Hendrickson
@Ken agreed - nested replies are only good in theory ;^)
- Michael Bailey
Ken: email servers are private, microblogs are simply easier blogs. i've created 700 or so posts in my 1.5 years of microblogging
- Brian Hendrickson
See, like that there. I don't know what the heck openmicroblogger has to do with anything, but I'll defend to the death your right to sidetrack the converation by talking about it ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
haha thanks
- Brian Hendrickson
I would guess that it will find it's niche, but like opml it will remain too convoluted for the masses.
- Michael Bailey
you can run openmicroblogger on a GoDaddy host, i've done it
- Brian Hendrickson
in the early days of email - back when all data was passed using UUCP (i.e. before the internet) email servers were exactly "public" in so much as if you had the UUCP bang path you could send anyone a message
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I mean, heck, people still hit reply all and then say oooops
- Michael Bailey
it's only until scaling issues hit that forced smtp to be created
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL heck Mike, I still remember doing archie searches
- Michael Bailey
evan's protocol will surely hit some scaling problems if it becomes popular. xmpp has all of that covered of course and is speedy as hell, but not so easy to host yourself. I installed erlang and checked out punjab and it's all very cool.
- Brian Hendrickson
yes, microbologging over xmpp is in a lot of ways at the same stage as html over http was at when apache was created
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mike and mike killing the conversation with talk of UUCP and Archie - doh!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
*crickets*
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken the reason i'm making noise over here is because people don't realize they can collect their followers and their content in their own database, and that they can "manage" their social network the way they manage their blog.
- Brian Hendrickson
status.net and twitteronia will help move the conversation along i think
- Brian Hendrickson
or maybe it's not that they don't realize it, it's that they don't care :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
It may just be that the logic leap between "Twitter doesn't seem to be listening to me" and "Go get a server and build your own Twitter" is a little too much for most people. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
don't "build a twitter", just microblog from a service that is part of a network, or install a microblog on your own site. identi.ca makes the former trivial. openmicroblogger makes the latter trivial.
- Brian Hendrickson
Karoli, I agree that they need to do lot more of this but Twitter does have people like @crystal doing community mgmt on Get Satisfaction.
- Mike Doeff
As the developer of openmicroblogger, you might have a slightly different definition of "trivial" than the typical disenfranchised Twitter user, Brian. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
oh I dunno - the reality of that is it is too disconnected - when all the the microfeeds are pulled in, and I go to leave a comment, I expect a pretty rapid response - but in actual use, the person pushing the data out isn't even "there".
- Michael Bailey
I get responses days or sometimes weeks after leaving a comment, then I'm like "huh? oh yeah, I've moved on"
- Michael Bailey
of course, were I an A-Lister, I'd be all for it, because as long as my "message" gets pushed out to all platforms, I don't really care about engaging in conversation
- Michael Bailey
as search is developed on the http://openmicroblogging.org network of microblogs, you'll be able to see replies on other hosts more easily, and for the next version of the protocol there will be an attempt to allow @replies between sites but it will be tricky to keep the spammers out.
- Brian Hendrickson
which will no doubt turn into a full-time job and degrade the service and then when you take steps to keep them out, you'll piss off your community - wait, are we talking about Twitter now? lol
- Michael Bailey
Let's just create OOAPI, the open openAPI
- Michael Bailey
well, it seems to have died in here, thanks for the great conversation (and I'll overlook the name calling and bashing...Robert) ;^)
- Michael Bailey
the community already has a choice of several pieces of software. but yes thanks for the conversation Michael and Ken and Mike and Mike ;) happy microblogging
- Brian Hendrickson
this thread officially has reached its quota of mikes - justsayn ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
The fact that this conversation is happening over at FriendFeed (and could never exist on Twitter) is pretty telling in itself. It's hard to get excited about Twitter. In fact, I see less and less value in the service as time goes by. I wonder if they can deliver in the near future.
- Kevin Pruett
*mike threshold now officially surpassed* I'm 5 hours late to the party, but just planting a post-it note that says High density of information, Return here sometime. And I whole-heartily agree with Ken's single-level threads work best on ff. Were there a scattering of sub-branching comments, it would be akin to shuttling around one or two people in/out of a side rooms for a chat when a...
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- Micah Wittman
yes agreed, i love the single level threading of ff as well
- mike "glemak" dunn
yay! my name is not mike! :) interesting post and long thread! ;) though I'm naturally biased about 'tree'-threading, I like to have the option to list or thread if I want. Oddly enough, I'm building something which isn't a million miles *between* twitter and friendfeed (on top of a phreadz platform). </plug> - back to the topic though, 2/47 isn't bad for a journo: even less of them follow the developers who have actually built interesting/useful/unexpected/valuable things on their platform.
- kosso
speaking from experience eh kosso - i for one am glad to call you an honorary mike ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I've only seen a tiny bit of video of the twitter founders - there's not much charisma and there's something else I can't put my finger on. Probably it's that "normal introverts" look arrogant under the "sudden darling" media spotlight.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
YouTube - Bush Shoe Incident - 2 shoes thrown at President Bush during press conference in Iraq - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Nearly got him too.
- jjprojects
from Bookmarklet
Doing what he does best -- ducking rather than facing something full on. Still, gotta admire the agility!
- KerryJ
Would have been funnier if one of the shoes had got him though.
- jjprojects
Video microblogging and Statistics - http://www.lucafiligheddu.com/2008...
John Budnik, Chris Loft, kosso and 2 other people liked this
Interesting to watch how the video microblogging services are doing against each other.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble the worst part are the last graphs, show how video micro blogging is still a very small niche
- Luca Filigheddu
luca: I think that's because culturally we're not used to taking video of ourselves. Not sure what to do about it. Plus video of people looking into a camera is usually pretty boring. Even the 12 second kinds of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting post. I think one of issues worth pointing out also, is that Phreadz is still in private beta testing mode and Seesmic is mostly a flash/flex-only interface. ie: hard for Alexa to give meaningful results
- kosso
Also, interesting to see that Hictu is going after the blog commenting features of Seesmic (looking at the form on the blog) - I don’t intend to go down this route with Phreadz, preferring to work more on the quality of the community and conversations on the Phreadz site, while also allowing them to exist and continue on other domains - but not as blog comments.
- kosso
I totally agree with Robert. I've mentioned this one on loic's post about Seesmic improvements. In my perspective, it is a matter of cultural behavior that would take time to assimilate.
- Nir Ben Yona
also, might interesting to add Utterz to the mix of stats, given that they are not *just* video either :)
- kosso
Officially in new house today. I will be terrorizing the suburbs with Michelle.
Donna Mugavero, kosso, Art Lindsey III and 2 other people liked this
Congratulations on the new house. I'll be moving myself in three weeks.
- Rob Safuto
Congratulations!
- Joe Dawson
Congrats Rob, I read it on your site, so do these key parties really happen?
- loren feldman
Thanks Loren. All kinds of weird stuff happens in the burbs. I'll be building a concrete block wall around my house to keep out the undesirables.
- Rob Safuto
Thats what Im thinking as well. Building a bunker.
- loren feldman
Congrats, build a pyre fire it keeps away the damn strange locals :)
- Fred Grott
Loren, I'll be looking for some garden photos.
- Cliff Gerrish
You got it Cliff, the Daisies are my best performers so far.
- loren feldman
which burn?
- Matt Craven
burb rather?
- Matt Craven
matt on LI can't get too specific for security reasons. Not just me anymore, I have a fiancée now and I've been meeting some interesting folks online lately
- loren feldman
fair enough. Li has some great towns, golf, food... I'll always think of you as a NYC guy though..
- Matt Craven
Congratulations to you two. Result!
- Eban Crawford
from Alert Thingy
I spent a lot of time on LI as a kid.Good portion of my youth in fact. It is very nice indeed.
- loren feldman
Google’s Jaiku vs. Twitter? - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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oddly enough, I have just been going back through my jaiku account to see how it is over there. they may not have the users and community that Twitter has, but it sure feels smooother! :) And with Google behind it, I'd say they can scale it :)
- kosso
The thing I like about Jaiku is that while it functions like Twitter, it's much easier to follow conversations. Comments to your posts show as comments, not an @reply 3 pages down, where you may never see it. Another plus is that there is no need for services like Twitterfeed as Jaiku can pull the feeds itself. The things I don't like are the time it takes to pull in certain feeds (sometimes hours) and the fact that there isn't as much activity over there.
- cmiper
Wouldn't this be the right time for Google (given Twitters technical problems) to open up Jaiku and pull/win people over from Twitter?
- Gabriel Nijmeh
Agree with cmiper. I wrote about Jaiku in July of last year (http://www.raoulpop.com/2007...), and have been using it since late spring in 2007. I loved the feed integration, back before FriendFeed even existed, but the polling times for feeds were and still are ridiculously long (sometimes days, not hours) and there's very little activity. You can go to my Jaiku account and see for yourselves: http://raoul.jaiku.com/.
- Raoul Pop
e has a history of buying tools / companies then simply letting them languish and ruining them (jottspot anyone?) - Jaiku is just another exaple of that. Google might be getting too big to be as nimble as they used to be?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Google has a history of buying tools / companies then simply letting them languish and ruining them (jottspot anyone?) - Jaiku is just another exaple of that. Google might be getting too big to be as nimble as they used to be?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
It was mentioned in another FF comment thread but go to http://JaikuInvites.com for jaiku invites. I got mine within an hour of my request
- acedanger
soulhuntre - don't you hate it when twhirl refreshes and you lose part of your comment, press enter and post it and then realize it's f'd up?! anyway - I used to get excited when Google would buy a "useful" service and then get disappointed when it stagnated for a year or so...
- acedanger
Yeah, it is farily frustrating(that twhirl thing) - it shoudl suspend updates while I type. Google is not the universal saviour it's rep has it pegged as frankly - they blow it on a lot of stuff.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Friend me on jaiku - http://alexdesigns.jaiku.com/
- alexdesigns
I'm on Jaiki too (mikelewis)
- Mike Lewis
Twitter ... I couldnt get used to jaiku for a reason
- Alemsah Ozturk
from Alert Thingy
acedanger and soulhunter, I have brought the refresh issue to Twhirl's attention twice: once through Twitter and once through their support forum. The only response I have received was, "That shouldn't be happening. We'll look into it." Well, thanks, but I know it shouldn't be happening. It seems to me this is a critical bug worthy of its own maintenance release. It also appears that since Seesmic bought Twhirl, bug fixes and updates are much slower to come out.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Twitter aura inimitable:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
@Soulhuntre Google also has a history of buying companies and turning them into wild successes. Not every acquisition works out as intended. Jottspot was handled poorly but it hardly constitutes a pattern.
- Kevin D. White
I only joined a couple of days ago but didn't like the UI and found Twitter to FF easier to play with. It doesn't make finding your existing friends easy.
- Sally Church
I like Jaiku but people have chosen to use twitter - if I leave twitter I leave my community and join one that they may not want to be involved in. I also agree about the feeds they are slow. I also agree that Google will offer a very stable service. But truth is - twitter is where everyone is at and the service that they have chosen - so more happens there. BUT recent problems associated with twitter may just change the playing field. Everything will hinge on how long it takes them to "fix" things.
- Dave Gray
I have some 20 invites for jaiku, leave your email on my channel. I'v read all these comments from ff mobile, works great. About jaiku, jaiku was doing feed integration from any Rss feed when FF was still a tought or a dream, they have been silent since the Google acquisition, but i have the feeling they where they are going..
- Ben Borges
from fftogo
I have some 20 invites for jaiku, leave your email on my channel. I'v read all these comments from ff mobile, works great. About jaiku, jaiku was doing feed integration from any Rss feed when FF was still a tought or a dream, they have been silent since the Google acquisition, but i have the feeling they where they are going..
- Ben Borges
from fftogo
Actually I trust Google's ability on integrating their acquisition than other company. Jaiku should integrate with Gmail so all email, IM and messaging go under one roof.
- Leon Ho
Personally, I prefer Pownce to either of these services. I really like the ability to share files as well as text.
- Tim Finucane
To twitt is just to scream out in space, when writing on Jaiku people engage you.
- Tomas Seo
Tomas Seo, do you think it's because there are relatively few people on Jaiku?
- Dewald Pretorius
from twhirl
I would have rated Pownce above both services, mainly for its ability to file and photo share, and also to post to groups of contacts, but the service is horribly slow and following threads is next to impossible.
- cmiper
cmiper, that just shows how difficult it is to scale these services
- Dewald Pretorius
from twhirl
invites available at http://jaikuinvites.com/need-an... -- took me 20minutes .. all thanks to @gregeh
- Jez Arnold
Dewald - I agree, but then right in the thick of it, Pownce upped the file upload limits to 100MB (from 10mb) for non-paid members and 250mb (from 100mb) for paid members and also added the ability to show those files to the public, increasing the amount of hits/download/bandwidth on the system. Seems as though they should have worked out the issues before adding to the cause IMHO.
- cmiper
sues, but the noise / bandwidth problem gets insane.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
@Nzben is responsible for this crazy conversation. (he prompted me to start it in email). Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, come to think of it, is asking "Jaiku vs Twitter" actually a valid question? After having looked at all three services, I think Jaiku leans far closer to FriendFeed in purpose than Twitter.
- Dewald Pretorius
I was gonna say something but this pretty much hits the nail on the head "Robert, come to think of it, is asking "Jaiku vs Twitter" actually a valid question? After having looked at all three services, I think Jaiku leans far closer to FriendFeed in purpose than Twitter."
- william douglas watson
from twhirl
invite-only strategy when you are in competition to twitter = lose...via feedalizr
- bvs
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