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Gadget Porn Alert: Palm Pre Calendar Demo (new) -sigh- http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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If the Pre works as fast in practice as it does in that demo--I am IN! I am sick of waiting on my (slow) iPhone all the time ( a geeky complaint perhaps--but true.)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
If the demo was of the data, I would have my doubts, but it's the calendar. I'm optimistic, since information is goign to be stored in the cloud as opposed to locally (like the iPhone). I can't WAIT.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
For me--the Calendar is a very big deal. Palm was always great at it--my biggest iPhone gripe has been the slow (local) calendar.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Did you see the accordion like motions? I like it more than uber scrolling like on the iPhone.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, agreed--Palm totally 'gets' calendars--and the whole PDA thing in general.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Jeez, I should hope so - they've been in the business forever haha! RIM should be worried, not Apple.
- Mona Nomura
yeah, thats pretty retarded stuff. love the dragging on the calender. nice improvement over iphone. this thing is really well thought out...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Dragging appointments on a palm device--a great feature that Palm has had for YEARS.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
LOVE that - makes life so much simpler. Right now I'm using Google calendar because I REFUSE to use MobileMe. GoogleCalendar (love Google) but the unintuitiveness makes me want to Hulk Smash my screen. And can you imagine? No more cables. No more synching. Omg, I am getting excited.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I love how ex-Apple employees are kicking Apple's ass in it's own game. These guys should start an Industrial Design school. They could teach the world a thing or two. Like I said earlier - http://is.gd/jF31 - Pre/Nova UI > iPhone UI.
- vijay
this really shows you what's the value of running multiple apps at the same time. The home button UI on the iphone sucks for multitasking.
- Davide D'Incau
Mona: when you say "since information is going to be stored in the cloud" where is it stored? At Palm? Your Google Calendar?
- Benjamin Golub
after watching this video it made me wonder why nobody has incorporated flight status into calendars? if we can bring in real time weather, why cant we check on flight status and make the necessary adjustments automatically?
- Chad Stoller
When that guy was typing "andr" I immediately thought of Android
- Alfredo
Benjamin: For the Pre, it would be Palm. @Chad - That is a very good question.
- Mona Nomura
While the Palm intrigues me, I'm more interested to see WebOS on a multitude of Palm devices. A Centro or Treo Pro-type device? A horizontal as opposed to portrait QWERTY? WebOS has some real potential behind it.
- Mike Nayyar
Exactly, Mike - I've been saying this from day one. I am excited for Nova, not inclusive to the Pre. If you look at Palm's job search site, they have tons of hardware related engineering opportunities - http://www.palm.com/us... I can't wait to see the next form factor!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
They could even put WebOS on a netbook and call it Foleo 2 ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, idea: Asus is releasing a touchscreen EeePC, right? Put WebOS on that...whoo nelly.
- Mike Nayyar
I love the palm pre and I found a great Palm Pre porn site at http://www.ipinkvisualpass.com
- Suzie Pie
I'm a fan of both the Pre and iPhone, but note that part of the Pre's performance comes from the significantly faster CPU and more system RAM. They're the same specs the new iPhone runs, so they can both be quite snappy. That said, AnandTech did some real benchmarks and the Pre needs some optimization. The iPhone outclasses a bit in web surfing, but a LOT when it comes to app startup times.
- David Chartier
Every day Friendfeed gets a little more useful and Twitter becomes a little more useless.
Luis Enrique León, Amanda im Netz, Karola Riegler and 60 other people liked this
in what ways
- Paul Kinlan
I have to say, I DO like the new look.
- Trevor Lee
I totally agree.
- Kathrin Stieler
Explains the massive amount of new FF followers the past couple of weeks... the Twitter/FF follower sync tool sure has helped.
- Gabriel Nijmeh
Commenting on FF kicks Twitter's arse!
- Peter Fletcher
Agree very much so. This new IM notification thing is just awesome too!
- Adam Turetzky
but why?
- Paul Kinlan
I am starting to come to the same conclusion. The recent replies fiasco made me realize FriendFeed has more context.
- Jackson Miller
I blame Oprah.
- Mike Abundo
d'oh, that reminds me, I forgot to login to twitter today again...
- Don Bonaddio
Connecting the message on Twitter, discussion and conversation better on Friendfeed
- Rudy De Waele
True. I like Friendfeed better, but more people use twitter at the present time.
- Brian Harrison
I like them both and use them when necessary.
- Jacque
I'm new to friendfeed, why do you say ff is more useful than twitter?
- tekhelet
Because of lists, alerts, threaded discussions, etc.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Yeah Steve, I'm with you, This FF (yesterday), allowed me to receive your's about Amazon Kindle for Blogs, and get signed up ASAP, Thanks Much, Herm
- Trey Morgan
I have perceived in recent weeks that Twitter is losing juice -- less RTing, fewer comments, etc. However, Twitter-supporting third-party apps are still very compelling.
- Mike Elgan
But it is not threaded discussions, it is a single set of replies to a post.
- Paul Kinlan
@SteveRubel I do like the lists and alerts though
- Paul Kinlan
AMIN
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
and I do like my discussions.
- Paul Kinlan
As in Ray Kurzweil, it's speeding up and getting quicker and we are the frog in the pot. So, we're holding on and being at the effect and causing the effect. What does he say happens next - we start to reverse our brain activity. I do think it is pretty amazing we are watching it grow at the speed is increasing rapidly. I said this before -- about twitter, ashton's driving the boat and Oprah is on the water skis/know that reference..
- carolynn kutz
Yes and no. Yes for my main twitter account and no for any other accounts. They are for other blogs and not related with the FF content.
- Bibi
Agree with you. Not sure I need to import the Facebook stuff in there... seems like everything is imploding into itself these days
- Janet Barker-Evans
Facebook’s “In-House Sociologist” Shares Stats on Users’ Social Behavior - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
Alicia Mickelsen, Nia, Ibrahim Tarlig and 94 other people liked this
"In other words, Facebook users comment on stuff from only about 5-7% of their Facebook friends. And as has been shown by many other studies, women communicate with more people in all cases than men. “People who are members of online social networks are not so much ‘networking’ as they are ‘broadcasting their lives to an outer tier of acquaintances who aren’t necessarily inside the Dunbar circle,’” Lee Rainie, the director of the Pew Internet & American Life Project, says."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
then again, I comment on stuff from only about 0% of my Facebook friends, because, well, Facebook is pretty boring.
- Thomas Hawk
likewise.
- Parth Awasthi
@Thomas: +3. The only reason I go there is when one of my High School friends finds me there.
- AJ Kohn
I'm doing something wrong or I'm really unpopular, 120 "friends" or 500 "friends", who are these people?
- Ace
Interesting stats. I do have to work on those 10 friends, I am not quite talkative.
- Carlos Lorenzo
every now and again it sort of freaks me out when I log on to facebook and some random person tries to chat with me. I don't want that. I have AIM and Yahoo Messenger for that.
- Thomas Hawk
Memo to Web sociologists: Dunbar Number is meaningless online. It is a measure of physical interaction in the RW, limited by time and transportation, not mental abilities of humans. Online, we can have multiples of Dunbar numbers simultaneously.
- Bora Zivkovic
That is incorrect: "Dunbar's number was first proposed by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who theorized that "this limit is a direct function of relative neocortex size, and that this in turn limits group size ... the limit imposed by neocortical processing capacity is simply on the number of individuals with whom a stable inter-personal relationship can be maintained.""
- coldbrew
Dunbar was dead wrong - the limitations are not cognitive,
- Bora Zivkovic
It was and is a theory, and it didn't ever cite a specific number. Your original statement was that it was based on real world interactions when, in fact, it was based on "neocortical processing capacity."
- coldbrew
The Memo was to sociologists, not to Dunbar himself, because it is them who took it and ran away with it, assigning it a number and not realizing that limitations are physical, not cognitive. They fell in love with the idea, without critically engaging with it. I am glad that I know Communications profs who have realized this and teach about Dunbar Number correctly in the context of the Web.
- Bora Zivkovic
or: "Facebook’s “In-House Sociologist” Shares Stats on Boring People's Behavior" ;)
- Meryn Stol
From the post, it was unclear whether the communications were measured for all time, or just within a particular period (i.e. the last six months). I just joined Facebook Thursday morning, so my comment ratio is pretty high.
- Ontario Emperor
So you could probably handle 300,000 personal relationships because cognition isn't an issue?
- coldbrew
It is to be seen what the cognitive limits are. Online, one can swiftly move from one social circle to another. A lot of it does not even require 1-to-1: I check quickly what everyone is broadcasting, and I hope many of them quickly scan what I am broadcasting. I may get into 1-to-1 with one or several of them in the morning, and a totally different group in the afternoon.
- Bora Zivkovic
About 90% of the people in the world - and this includes the highly mobile USA - are born, live and die in one place, often in the same house, rarely or never traveling more than 100 miles from their birthplace. They build their social network in RL - and that is about 150 people.
- Bora Zivkovic
Online, one can have multiples of social groups. Last week in NYC, I met and had a grand time with my "NYC social circle", all initially discovered online, although I may not be in daily contact with any one of them. One's social groups go in and out of one's attention all the time. We go through phases several times a day.
- Bora Zivkovic
And I do not consider my NYC friends any lesser than friends I have at home where I live. I know some people from online interactions MUCH better, in greater depth and detail of mutual understanding, than my next-door neighbors, in-laws or the person I worked with for a year in 2001.
- Bora Zivkovic
I'm having trouble rectifying two statements you've made: 1) "the limitations are not cognitive" 2) "It is to be seen what the cognitive limits are."
- coldbrew
Dunbar Number, used by sociologists to be around 150 is not the cognitive limit. Cognitive limit will be larger, much larger. It exists, but we did not get there (i.e., determining/measuring it) yet. Ask Scoble - he may be close ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
"Dunbar's number is a theoretical cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships...No precise value has been proposed for Dunbar's number, but a commonly cited approximation is 150."
- coldbrew
Another problem is temporal. In the example of the usual people who never travel, their social circle is pretty static throughout their lives. But for people like us, it can be quite dynamic. You engage intensively with a group for a while, then move on, then come back to the same group 20 years later, etc. So, there is now a temporal dynamic on top of spatial and we need to agree on what the definitions are (e.g., time-frame of one's Number).
- Bora Zivkovic
I agree with that, and I believe the number will differ among people substantially; but there will always be an average. I don't think you'll find an argument from anyone that digital communications removes the barriers to interact with greater numbers of people, but one's Dunbar number depends on whether a few simple interactions constitutes a "stable social relationship." [EDIT: removed pronoun for clarity ]
- coldbrew
I agree we need to have a good definition of the terms "stable", "social" and "relationship". I am now brewing a blog post about this - thank you ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
That sounds like a good idea. This can be quite an academic discussion, and somewhat distant from my formal education (hm, I wonder if you could draw parallels to molecular interactions? Some proteins are comprised of thousands of atoms.). I'll be sure to read your take.
- coldbrew
Social media is really great for increasing one's "loose ties". It doesn't have to be merely broadcast. You can engage with people when they're doing something what interests you.
- Meryn Stol
http://friendfeed.com/e... "What mainly goes up, therefore, is not the core network but the number of casual contacts that people track more passively. This corroborates Dr Marsden’s ideas about core networks, since even those Facebook users with the most friends communicate only with a relatively small...
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- Noah David Simon
I really don't see significant difference here between gender. I would of thought it would be higher. ...no I really do think it would be higher.. these numbers are quite misleading. the intimacy in the contacts are quite different in a number spread between genders. women are more apt to have more semi intimate friends and males are more likely to have more very intimate friends. and...
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- Noah David Simon
tag: Dunbar
- Bora Zivkovic
I think FB missed a bet to turn off user comments on a whole host of things. When users post status updates to their own wall, any of their friends can comment. When anyone else writes on a given user's wall, no one can comment on those posts. Stupid decision.
- Andrew C
Woot, and today I see comments on wall messages are back.
- Andrew C
"Slumdog" Kids Back To School - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
Timo Heuer, hâlid şen, Piaw Na and 78 other people liked this
"I don't want to sleep on the floor anymore. I want a proper bed and live where the air does not smell of poo. I have seen what it is like in America. Here, there is garbage everywhere, people get angry, swear and shout. I have realised how bad life is here. I just want to get out."
- Karen Padham Taylor
from Bookmarklet
"Meanwhile, both Rubina and Azharuddin continue to wear their Oscar clothes and pine for life in America"
- Karen Padham Taylor
God, there's something wrong with this. These kids are traumatized. They were trotted out to LA as showpieces and now they can't live a normal life anymore. Is the production company and the Mumbai housing authority going to give them a flat, as promised? "I cannot believe these kids have just been left like this after being taken to Hollywood. It is bound to affect them psychologically," said social worker Sanjay Bhatia, who works in the slum.
- Christopher Chung
Ugh!
- Jason Wehmhoener
So, not taking them to the Oscars was a better idea? Uprooting them from their only known social construct and plopping them in front of Brad & Angie's house?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Much better to see what is possible and strive for it in anguish, rather than be satisfied with the status quo. Coming from a lower middle-class background in India, I have bought old Fortune magazines from wastepaper shops for two rupees to read up on what was happening. Yes, it made my then condition seem like hell, but heck I would not be here now if I had not known what I wanted.
- Mahesh CR
This is so sad!
- April Buchheit
If you never realize there is something better out there for you, why would you climb out of the crap-hole you're in?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
That's really sad... I have been living under a rock and don't know much about the movie but didn't they make any money off of it since it was so successful??
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Lindsay, seriously, that's the part I don't understand. I would have thought they'd have made at least enough money for a "proper bed" and a place to put it, at least for a while...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Honestly, it sounds like $1K would make a big difference in their lives... they didn't even make that much??
- Fa La La La Lindsay
back to School and back to the Slums
- bcultral
Doesn't most of the responsibility fall on the people behind Slumdog? They had to make a few extra dollars that they can pay these kids. Why aren't they doing it?!?
- grant fox
I thought I read somewhere that the producers of this movie were buying houses for the families of all these kids. I need to try to find that story.
- Trish R
Perhaps this is a stretch, but how is this any different than any of the kids throughout the world who get used by large companies to manufacture products that we use in the West? Danny Boyle and co. are eating very well right now.
- Cee Bee
If they're child actors, the money would've been paid to their parents. No matter how much the children made, the production company has no control over how the parents opted to spend it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Here's the story. http://www.independent.ie/enterta...
- Trish R
but do the same rules apply in India as they do here? from what I understand it would take a very small amount of $$ to make their lives better. The child actors in Slumdog were a significant part of the movie, and one could argue that they were the better actors as well (besides Freida Pinto, but I digress...).
- grant fox
Sounds to me like the Indian government said they'd find houses for them and then backed out of it. Based on the photograph of the youngest boy's father hitting him, I'd guess his parents are pocketing the money and the officials are looking the other way.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mahesh: very powerful statement. This whole story makes me sad, partly because of how spoiled we are as Americans.
- Robert Scoble
From the article: His father is also saying he wants more money for his son's film role. In addition to school, the kids were paid for their work and have trust funds set up for when they turn 18.
- Nine
At least they are in school. I hope they do something useful with their trust funds.
- Jason Wehmhoener
How sad. But then again, so many kids never have any opportunities.
- Andrew Pass
Tweetdeck and Seesmic: The Twitterization of Facebook Comes to the Desktop - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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thank you for your Seesmic mention Frederic, indeed 2009 will be a very interesting year!
- Loic Le Meur
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Why Facebook is Failing Me - http://www.sarahintampa.com/sarah...
Riaz Kanani, Jason Nelson, Brad Davis Seal and 53 other people liked this
FriendFeed hasn't fully addressed this issue either, though rooms help.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I also ended up using FB for personal network only and stopped using Twitter bridge. However this is not enough. One of my problems is that (same in FF) it is a global network, not everyone speaks English, so I annoy one part of my friends no matter which language I use. There needs to be better tools, may be status messages for specific groups, etc.
- berkay
@berkay: I love the idea of status messages for specific groups, wish they had that now - great idea!
- Sarah Perez
Sarah this is such a great post. You articulated frustrations I'm sure MANY are feeling. -sigh-
- Mona Nomura
I feel like this too - my friends fall into three or four groups, with the smallest one being people I've actually met. I don't want to cancel my connections with the others, but filtering would be great.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
@mona: thank you!
- Sarah Perez
Great, great post. I think Facebook should realize that in order to become the one social platform for all, they need to allow us users to customize and slice people. I recently erased all my social friends who I've never met from Facebook, cause I didn't want to spam them with personal stuff and my Spanish-speaking family with geeky Twitter comments ;)
- Jorge Escobar
I've been using FF for tech and FB for non-tech for a while, but this is a lousy solution. I'm not sure that slicing friends on a single platform is the right approach - what we're actually talking about here is wanting to slice _yourself_ into different aspects then people can sign up to whichever one (or three) they're interested in. When posting something on whatever platform you'd be able to indicate which aspect it's for (kind of a me-tag).
- Yan
I'm very conservative about what personal information I supply to FB in the first place, and aggressively use lists and privacy settings. But the control granularity for the Friends list and Wall posts are almost non-existent, as are good controls for Profile | Basic | Personal info.
- LogEx
I have the same issues. I've created lists with different privacy settings but my biggest beef is that I can't control who sees what content I create, especially imported feeds.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I love Facebook
- sofarsoShawn
For a lot of things I have two accounts - one for professional stuff, the other for hobbies-and-daily-life stuff. It's a mixture of conveniences and inconveniences but works pretty well for me.
- Deborah Fitchett
Hmm, didn't Plaxo have some sort of "Personas"/self-slicing feature? I'm sure that Facebook could always pinch that, although of course, there's the Wall/Friends granularity problem that's been hashed to death...
- Tyson Key
I decided to use Facebook only for a very small circle of friends and family. It's quite a nice platform still. And handy that it's not on the public web.
- Meryn Stol
Agreed, although I was happy on Twitter and Friendfeed and didn't want to go onto Facebook ;-) In the end I went on to network with mainly offline or old friends.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
“Liking,” the hot social trend, continues with Likaholix - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
Igor Poltavskiy, Nicholas James, Youngmin Kim and 45 other people liked this
Thanks MG! Great post ;)
- Bindu Reddy
I like Likaholix. I'm a TasteMaker!
- Shevonne
You mean like the ratings widgets we've had forever?
- Todd Hoff
Todd, yes kinda of based on the ratings widgets we have had forever but we have added personalized recommendations as well
- Bindu Reddy
Re: liking on Likaholix — I would call it “asymmetric” rather than “asynchronous” (from the article).
- Amit Patel
OK Bindu, I signed up. We'll see what happens.
- Todd Hoff
I always read *Lick*-aholix. Makes me laugh.
- Bret Taylor
@Bret I was about to type the same thing. NAMEFAIL methinks.
- Clay Newton
Ya Bret, I know what you mean... Naming has been a huge problem. We went with Likaholix because people tended to remember that name. We also got the domain "yourlikes" but a lot of people found it too generic. We will see how it goes..
- Bindu Reddy
@Todd, OK let me know if you have feedback.
- Bindu Reddy
People always accidentally call us "Friend Finder" which is amusing. I am not sure if we own AdultFriendFeeder.com :)
- Bret Taylor
better grab it bret. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is there a FF import? I see Facebook and Gmail.
- Todd Hoff
No not yet... good idea though. We should build both FF and twitter import
- Bindu Reddy
Is there no way to change one's name after signup? At least I don't see it under Edit Profile...
- ronin
This is one feature I wrote the code for and it didn't make it in today because of a bug. You should be able to do this shortly
- Bindu Reddy
Hey Bindu, dislikaholix.com is still available. Grab it before AT&T does.
- Richard Chen
I like the dislikes idea.
- ana
Thanks MG...checking it out now. Good coverage on FB stuff today!
- Brian Solis
I'm checking it out to see how it fits with the rest of what I do :)
- Nakeva Corothers
Congratulations Bindu!!!!!!!! YAY!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Susan you should sign up...
- Bindu Reddy
done already... :)
- Susan Beebe
he he... just saw it!! thanks :)
- Bindu Reddy
Nice work, Bindu!
- Anne Bouey
What Facebook apps would you pay for? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Moses Kpetigo, John: @johnhaydon, Bill Romanos and 32 other people liked this
(I can't think of any)
- Sarah Perez
from Bookmarklet
None
- M F
They would have to pay me to reopen my account!
- John D Reasor
I agree with everyone
- Shevonne
None.
- Mona Nomura
the guys before me said it all
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
None.
- Jennifer Dittrich
*thinks* Nope, I got nothing.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Absolutely none.
- Rochelle
none
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
It is answer ---> : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Would You Do Me?
- sofarsoShawn
NADA. NUNCA.
- Far
My Lil' Green Patch - I just couldn't live without that -[
- Chris Loft
None.
- Helen Sventitsky
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
By the way, I asked if this platform could enable external Facebook-Connect enabled sites to monetize and they said they would have to "look into that."
- Sarah Perez
@Jason: I think lots of people would pay for Scrabble if it went "Pro"
- Sarah Perez
The only app I'd pay for is one that annihilates all other FB apps.
- Jonathon
+1 Jonathon. But I'm afraid they'd actually start charging to get apps to leave you alone, and that wouldn't be cool.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
In the early days of facebook I loved the applications. Was always finding new interesting ones and loved sharing them with my friends. Then something changed. They started spamming me. Application developers started making their application only usable by spamming your friends. Clearly not a cool thing to do. At this point I, and many of my friends, lost all hope in facebook...
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- Benno
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
none
- Duane
none, nada, zero, and zilch are the only apps i can think of off the top of my head
- chaz2b
Uh, none!
- Jeff P. Henderson
maybe, if I had to, lexulous
- Bryce Roney
I'm not even sure I would pay for Facebook itself. In fact, if it weren't for the enormous userbase and the fact that everyone I know refuses to use anything else, I'd be off of it already.
- mike fabio
from twhirl
Don't believe ppl will pay for FB apps
- Bindu Reddy
none of them
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
None. I find myself annoyed at all the throws and pokes. I prefer notes, status updates, and pics.
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
the one that would block all events notifications, pokes and apps invitations!
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
I would consider paying facebook to .. wait .. what Sasha said :)
- Mattb4rd
none, facebook is boring.
- Thomas Hawk
I would pay for an app that blocks all the bait & switch apps that use invite friends as a growth tool
- mike "glemak" dunn
would i own it or would facebook own it?
- Alex Gawley
None! But I'd think about it if one existed that would give the finger to old high school classmates that want to be friends now, yet back in the day wouldn't give me the time of day. That could be fun.
- Ace
None, thank you very much.
- AJ Kohn
None, I don't use that many as it is so I wouldn't start using them just because I'd have to pay.
- Aaron Hood
none
- Peter Efland
I wouldn't want to pay for ANY facebook app, it different thought if I were running on my computer or phone
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
from twhirl
None
- Ryan
I wouldn't pay for any.
- Nicholas James
I would never pay for facebook or apps there.
- Frode Stenstrøm
not sure what the demographics of this thread are but fb active teenagers/college aged kids would pay for facebook - or rather we as their parents would ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
you're on friendfeed though lindsey, thus much more of an early adopter college student (my college age son is on here too - but also uses fb a lot too) - talking about the generic mainstream teen/college kid that uses fb to keep in touch w/ friends (and family)..
- mike "glemak" dunn
i'm not advocating paying for anything by the way - just saying we're having this conversation on ff thus we are the wrong demo...
- mike "glemak" dunn
understood lindsey - priorities :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Paying for crappy apps inside a web app just seems... IDK... crappy! I don't think I like the idea of Facebook with monthly fees.
- tomit
None.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't ask such nonsensical questions. :)
- Meryn Stol
Oh wait, it's not you, it's Read Write Web. Facebook... apps... paying... lol :)
- Meryn Stol
No, cancel that. It is you, writing on RWW. Ok, anyway, good joke. :)
- Meryn Stol
Can I pay to stop getting invites to apps?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I would pay for a CellarTracker FB application.
- fn (fairnymph)
none !!
- Peter Dawson
iPhone and iPods are Banned at the Bill Gates Household - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Is this different than my Mom not allowing anyone to smoke in her house (except my Dad's father, the single exception)?
- Matthew DeVries
Or the every annoying people who make you take your shoes off when you come inside?
- Matthew DeVries
And we would presume Stevo isn't using WinMo phones at his house... So...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
My only observation is that when a competitor's product is better than yours sometimes it is a good idea to have some people you trust use it, get comfortable with it and tell you why... or better yet WATCH them use it for about a month... You might learn something.
- Brian Roy
Except that Mr. Gates stepped away from that sort of thing over a year ago, Brian, and probably MS (and Apple) have large teams devoted to analyzing competition.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
MVB - I'm aware. The only reason this is news, however, is because Bill = Microsoft. If I banned iPods and iPhones at my house would it get written up? Nope... The large teams are sometimes the problem - many/some/all of those folks did/were involved in the design of YOUR product. How objective do you think they will be. Watching your kids use it is personal... not a Power Point from the UX team.
- Brian Roy
Do you think Jobs has a Zune and uses an HTC phone?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Nope - but I bet he would if they were clearly superior to his offering (I know I would). At a minimum I bet he would try to find legitimate fans of those products/services and try to discern why they are fans. I'm not saying support your competition - I'm saying that when they are better... learn and evolve.
- Brian Roy
Hrm... When I managed a Jeep dealership, I never owned a Land Rover, but I knew a lot about them.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
And I bet if you had a relative/friend who had and LOVED a Rover you would spend some time trying to figure out why... that's all I'm saying.
- Brian Roy
True, Brian, I would. But not in my driveway.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
as long as he's being a grown-up about it. *rolls eyes*
- Mister Groonk
from twhirl
Well, I guess I won't be visiting the Gates' household then!
- Neil Bernhart
NOW I know why I've never been invited over for dinner! :-)
- Robert Scoble
yeah :) that must be it for me too Robert. :)
- Zee.
leave your weapons at the door?
- bob phillips
Mr. Gates, would I be invited to dinner at your place if you knew I owned a Zune?
- Janet
What a brilliant way to create publicity... for the iPhone and iPod...
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Hell No! Let me in with my ipod or ill kick your ass!
- nfan12
from Alert Thingy
I said Bill should use an iphone to know how good it is, but on 2nd thought, it's a no win either way for him. If he uses it, people will say, "even Bill will not use MS products", if he bans its from his household, he gets branded as ignorant. Guess it is better to be branded ignorant, than to let people beleive that Bill doesn't think MS is #1. Take one for the team, Bill :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
"Hey, kids, sorry to bum you out. But know what - let's visit some less enlightened people and release a jar of Zunes in their home -- who wouldn't benefit from that!"
- Micah Wittman
Good for him i am not a fan of apple either ( since he's microsoft i can see why lol) and would only use their products if maybe(and that's a big maybe folks) given one but i'd never actually BUY it.
- Angela P.
Who would want to even GO into that goobers home?????? I'd probably CRASH! lmao
- Scott W.
LOL +1 Scott
- Zee.
A better question would be who "wouldn't" want to go to his home. The guy is amazing and is doing a lot to help the world through his foundation.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Make Google Real-Time With Twitter Search Add-on http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... hot little thing I bet you'll want
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This has to be one of the most useful discovery tools of the new year. Twitter's search value is increasingly competitive to Google.
- Alex Williams
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Yep. Friends are already glad I retweeted it :)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Thanks, Marshall! And thanks for the feature suggestions as well, I will those to my list of potential enhancements for the next version. I have also thought about auto-linking #hashtags to the tag page on hashtags.org...
- Mark Carey
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
so this confirms Google will pay whatever it takes to acquire Twitter next year, what say a $1bn?
- Thomas Power
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
This suggests to me that GoodSearch (and Yahoo) are getting Google a little nervous. I'm sure you saw the GoodSearch promo (and endorsement on the site) by ABC. Search there for a day and your charity gets $. http://www.goodsearch.com/ Especially when you can integrate GoodSearch toolbar with every major browser including Chrome and this is an incredibly cool way for NP's to get funding in a tough economy.
- Melanie Reed
Totally cool Thanks
- Colossal Marketing™
Twitter tastes the rainbow – the Skittles rainbow - http://www.inquisitr.com/19086...
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Yummy!
- Susan Beebe
Google should do a universal one-box for real-time web information (Twitter, FriendFeed etc) somewhat similar to how they mix news and videos results into standard web-results
Umit Namli, Tim Young, Mitch and 33 other people liked this
So for example if I typed in a something that is currently in the news - e.g. Caroline - in addition to normal search results, I could see a section that showed tweets and conversations on FF.
- Bindu Reddy
I'd like it to be real time search results. As Google Finds them lol
- Tyler (Chacha)
awesome idea!
- Susan Beebe
"Did you mean: Coraline" ;) Like the idea.
- Andrew Smith
Sorry, yes Coraline.
- Bindu Reddy
I wonder if you can use “Google Subscribed Links” for this.
- Amit Patel
So I don't think that would work well. I don't want to see real-time web results for all my queries. Only the ones that have some recent/relevant activity. Should be relatively easy for someone in search quality to figure out which queries to show it on.
- Bindu Reddy
@Bindu, I believe Subscribed Links works in either of two modes: one, by having the user supply keywords that trigger it, or two, by having the search provider itself offer a list of keywords via a feed. So Twitter could provide a list of top terms.
- DeWitt Clinton
"Real-time information" really needs to stabilize before this hits search. When I can effortlessly, efficiently, and cleanly move my updates around the web from twitter to friendfeed to facebook to <random site>, I think that's when we've "arrived" and things are ready for primetime. (Just my personal opinion.)
- Jonathan Terleski
Yes, Twitter could provide the top terms... I suspect Google could do it much better than Twitter, esp because Google can look at other data sources like news etc to figure out relevance. Also if Twitter provided the top terms, the feature would really have to be subscription/Twitter only. Most Google users don't subscribe.
- Bindu Reddy
Twitter (the former Summize team) is actually pretty good at search and measuring trends. For example, here's a bootleg feed of their trending topics: http://www.dapper.net/service...
- DeWitt Clinton
Nevermind bootleg, they now expose it via the API: http://search.twitter.com/trends...
- DeWitt Clinton
OK, even if Twitter were to be good at supplying terms. I think something that is little more universal - i.e. not just Twitter. Maybe Twitter, FB status feeds and FF items ranked based on popularity and recency maybe good
- Bindu Reddy
Also, "the realtime web" is much bigger than microblogging. There's lots of stuff happening out on the web all the time, and Google does pick that up pretty well. I'd redefine "realtime web" to be "real world news hitting the web asap," which is actually considerably smaller than the former (I'd imagine..).
- Jonathan Terleski
Sorry, final comment. The "realtime web" that I care about is the intersection of: Stuff Happening Right Now, Stuff I care about, and Stuff I haven't heard yet. Search engines generally bat 2 out of 3 on those..
- Jonathan Terleski
Okay, did it. I created a very rough and dirty implementation of twitter trending topics inside Google Search results. To use it, visit this page: http://www.google.com/coop.... Click "Subscribe". Now do a normal Google search for one of the trending topic terms, such as [iPhone] or [Dalai Lama] (at the time of this writing).
- DeWitt Clinton
Right now I'm not saving old trending topics (though I could, and should). To see what topics will trigger at any given moment you can look at search.twitter.com or look here: http://json-indent.appspot.com/indent...
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt - really cool that you managed to hack this up so quickly... Just tried it and also took a look at the trending topics list. There seem to be only 10 of them at any time.. Is that all Twiiter will provide at any one time. Again very impressive :)
- Bindu Reddy
Thank you, but really thank Twitter/Summize for their search api, the usual amazing Google search team for providing subscribed links, and the App Engine team for saving me the trouble of setting a server up myself. : )
- DeWitt Clinton
Yes, Twitter is only providing the last ten. Tomorrow I'll change the backend to save the last 100 or so.
- DeWitt Clinton
@DeWitt: neat!
- Amit Patel
Sounds like a good idea
- Tyson Key
One incident in the recent past where for the first time in many years Google failed me was when eNom had the DDOS attack. I tried to use Google (search, blog search, and also in a bunch of bulletin boards) to get more info, but the only place where I finally got what I needed was Twitter search. I am not sure that it had enough tweets to have made it to the summize trending terms, but that sort of event would be a good use case for Google to improve on.
- Arvind Sundararajan
Playing around with Twitter a lot more today, after the NY times article. Am pretty impressed by how mainstream it has become . Some sent this to me. A grease money script to do real time search integration with Google - http://www.facesaerch.com/blog...
- Bindu Reddy
One more - http://mt-hacks.com/2009030...
- Bindu Reddy
Like this? Here's an add-on I have on my browser:http://flickr.com/photos.... I get videos, Twitter results (they're at the bottom, I don't think you can see them in the photo), but at the top you can see how I can get results from other social media sites too.
- Admiral Anika
neat.. do you use it often? Does it slow your searches down?
- Bindu Reddy
Yeah, I use it all the time, no noticeable lag on my searches. I did learn something new about it. It's tied to only one Gmail account it seems. I was initially in a biz account and it wasn't there. Switched to another Gmail account and it popped up. Not really smart thinking on the developer's part.
- Admiral Anika
Oh here is the add-on: http://www.webmynd.com/html... I don't usually have it on to stalk me, so I couldn't figure out which add-on it was. But it has been very useful in finding tweets. You can choose what services are searched in the sidebar and adjust their order.
- Admiral Anika
FriendFeed search on the add-on: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Admiral Anika
thanks.. I am going to try it on later today...
- Bindu Reddy
Twitter on Doonesbury - http://www.doonesbury.com/strip...
Rex Hammock, Karim, Benno and 34 other people liked this
I see Gary has fully grasped Twitter.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
And this is the true value of Twitter!
- Jeff Newfeld
LOLLLLLLLLLl this is twitter at its best! I love it lol
- Adriana
Fantastic!
- Toby DiPasquale
Live streaming in HD quality : http://www.bitgravity.com #demo09
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We just launched a new backend system for FriendFeed that should make things a lot faster. Let us know if you see any problems or unusual changes in your feed. Thanks!
Nenko Ivanov, Vinko, Javid★ and 184 other people liked this
even faster? :)
- directeur
Even faster :)
- Bret Taylor
is it like the backend of the new mac mini -- 80 USB ports?
- MG Siegler
You're crazy. I'm in the 3rd world with a 128kbits/s and it's the fastest site after google! :)
- directeur
Increasing the number of USB ports was vital to this upgrade :)
- Bret Taylor
Nice... you were doing what I was doing today... see you can make major upgrades WITHOUT down time. Nice Job FF!
- Brian Roy
Ok! Being behind a proxy makes my way somehow difficult but not that bad, I'll comment on that with stats if I see changes. Thanks Bret!
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Without a downtime, great! FF for president ;) Maybe you can give us an insight into Friendfeed's architecture?
- Waldemar Schott
I will write something up at some point in the near term. Maybe after it has been running for a couple weeks so we know it works like we think it will :)
- Bret Taylor
Hopefully this helps with the lag time that I'm seeing from Twitter. I like using FF as a Twitter client; it's been tough lately with tweets taking over a half hour to get here. Nonetheless, well-done, guys. :)
- Jared Smith
faster in what respect Bret?
- Zee.
Sweet bejeesus, you guys rock! I like new features without taking down the whole site. This is efficiency baby.
- Scott Jarkoff
Zee: loading your home feed, especially if you have many subscriptions, will be a lot faster. In general, viewing feeds with lots of people in them is much faster.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, what about the RSS machinery? Will it fetch more feeds more often?
- directeur
That is somewhat independent of this change, directeur. However, it should improve feed publishing a bit over the course of the next fews weeks as we completely decommission the old system - it will improve some aspects of our publishing throughput. However, most of the feed fetching improvements are coming as sites like BrightKite and Identi.ca adopt SUP (http://simpleupdateprotocol.go...)
- Bret Taylor
one of the reasons I use ff so much is that I can often open a new tab, load friend feed, and read a couple of entries in the time it takes for some other site to load; nice to see that speed remains a priority :-)
- Karl Rosaen
Thanks for the details Bret, I like the SUP concept and I actually use it on my Jazz blog and on SocialWhois too :)
- directeur
Bret great to hear:) Keep up the great work.
- Rob Cairns
Improved performance? Bret, it's like you're reading my mind.
- Nick Dingle
Fast is better than slow, after all :)
- Joel Webber
Bret - good stuff. Any effect on the delayed Twitter feeds? Or is that out of FriendFeed's hands?
- Hutch Carpenter
Yeah, we need way more USB ports! LOL :)
- Susan Beebe
i have not found FF faster at China
- 阿石
It was quite fast to start off with, didn't notice any big differences. (Good nor bad)
- Umit Namli
2Bret: According to Alexa traffic graph, FF doubled its traffic in this week. Is it real and if its real what was the reason for that? If its not confidential, May be you can share with us :)
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
Ömer: Alexa is like a Ford T, it's a bit old. Don't know what to make of that service.
- Umit Namli
Damn, now it's _too_ fast.
- Robert Konigsberg
Bret: you guys rock. Friendfeed is so freaking fast.
- Davide D'Incau
Now FF is so fast I'm seeing posts from next friday.
- dario
FF is Fantastic.
- Russellreno
♥FF!
- Mattb4rd
I still seem to get the FF is unavailable screen quite a bit. I'd say about 50% of the time when trying to do searches, filter by service (especially FF itself) or look at best of day. Usually after getting the unavailable screen if I refresh one to five more time eventually the page loads. Annoying though.
- Thomas Hawk
What? was FF slow??
- Andru Edwards
Thomas: yah, your account has been a stress test for our system for a variety of reasons. We hope to make progress on the Best of Day and search ASAP, and I will let you know. Sorry for the trouble.
- Bret Taylor
w00t!
- mike fabio
from twhirl
Great work. I second the fact that it is only second to Google homepage in load-time
- Varun Mahajan
Very cool, kudos!
- Dave Martin
Woo-hoo!
- Joey Gibson
@Bret: is this update related to the stuff mentioned in your 'Schema-less MySQL' post?
- MikeAmundsen
Mike: yes, the new backend uses the approach described in the schema-less MySQL post
- Benjamin Golub
Woot! (Does that explain my excitement well?)
- Danielle Closs
Friendfeed gets fast, Twitter gets slow; all on the same day.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
really? dosen't feel any differences.
- Lira.H.C
Twitter: Microblogging Site for the Lonely and Friendless? - http://marketingmystic.wordpress.com/2009...
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"Mia: I have “normal” friends. I don’t have any idea why you want to be one of them."
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how brands like Zappos and JetBlue keep track of their brands on social networks like Twitter and Facebook? Tools? Techniques?
Jorge Barba, Frode Stenstrøm, Winston Teo and 67 other people liked this
Tony LIVES on Twitter To elaborate: Tony uses web + txt - so I'm assuming he monitors Zappos with the web search. He also mandates all his employees to Tweet, so they probably have interns keyword searching. Whole Foods, another prolific Tweeter, uses TweetDeck. JetBlue utilizes: web + TweetDeck + Twitterberry.
- Mona Nomura
They might use tools like we do for our client partners - apps like Radian6, TruCast, CIC, Cymfony. Art meets science across the new frontier of digital brand engagement engineering!...
- Thom Kennon
Hm I would be interested in your client list, Thom. I don't see how consolidated charts and analytical tools can help one actually... well.. engage.
- Mona Nomura
Twitter is the one we spend the MOST time trying to get results in real-time from - and Tweetdeck loaded with search terms and groups helps. Lots of other tools to send results as RSS for much of the rest of the social spaces (Mashable has a good run-down of many: http://mashable.com/2008... ) Though I still don't have a good search for Facebook brand mentions. Any suggestions? - Morgan @JetBlue (and Mona N, - we use Tweetle too)
- Morgan Johnston
Bingo Mona!! Most of those tools (which are GREAT) were designed for agencies. The justSignal Tracker (shameless plug) I've built is a much better solution for engagement. see: http://ustream.tv/sxsw
- Brian Roy
Talking to some of them at the Omniture summit, Thom's right, but for the most part a lot of them are just using things like RSS, TweetDeck, etc. I think Dell has created some internal tools, as have others.
- Jesse Stay
Great question, Robert
- anna sauce
Here is a case study about how Dell used social media monitoring for their mini9 launch - http://bit.ly/zEl0k
- Marcel LeBrun
I use a free (but limited) account from http://www.techrigy.com/
- David Silvernail
Brian: I can't wait for the Ustream/SXSW thing. That's going to make lots of people say "whoa."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks... I'm really looking forward to it. It should be pretty impressive watching them fly by in the midst of SXSW Interactive.
- Brian Roy
I never used Zappos until I ran into Tony on Twitter. So yes, Twitter can increase sales.
- Dave Gambrill
Dave: I agree. Same here.
- Robert Scoble
It's not Twitter, it's Tony. Zappos' mantra has always been customers first. That's why they are the biggest online shoe retailer. Twitter is supplementary.
- Mona Nomura
Love Zappos!
- ursi
Oh, and at this time, Facebook is close to useless when it comes to brand promotion. Pages (that just got an overhaul) doesn't do anything. Only useful thing is status updates linked with Twitter - which at times can overwhelm (annoy) the average consumer.
- Mona Nomura
I would actually suggest that it isn't JUST business to customer, it is also customer to customer, customer to prospect, etc. Imagine having your customers sell to your prospects because you gave them a clean way to talk to one another. You better be good at what you do... cause if you aren't the opposite will (and does) happen.
- Brian Roy
Zappos is going mainstream fast though. I work a very non-tech job and people there love them. Yes, people who work at Elementary schools love Zappos. :D
- MarkCarras
Uh, I've been using Zappos since 2003ish. They go the extra mile ie: next day air free of charge, hassle free price matching, returns, and exchanges - w/ free shipping and every single one of my experiences have been nothing but excellent. Their marketing is due to word of mouth and major publications advertising for them by raving.
- Mona Nomura
I tweeted about drinking a Cameron Hughes wine last night and got a quick reply from the winery. Obviously there are tools to monitor tweets and flag keywords.
- Robert Fisher
Robert: most startups I visit now have at least one computer running TweetDeck.
- Robert Scoble
TweetDeck rules. But I think it has to do with finding your groove, per se. Then it becomes routine. Right now, I don't know of any tools in the market that efficiently enables monitoring offline.
- Mona Nomura
oh and as far as Zappos and responsiveness? - the one story from 2007 http://www.zazlamarr.com/blog... was enough for me. I look for chances to buy from them.
- Morgan Johnston
Mona - tell me more about "efficiently"... What is missing?
- Brian Roy
Quick and timely alerts via multiple methods. ie: IM + SMS + web and or app - with the option to enable and disable.
- Mona Nomura
So you want monitoring + semantic analysis + alerts on "stuff I need to know now" and user by user configuration. Did I get that right?
- Brian Roy
Engagement tools. User configuration + monitoring and options to monitor are first priority. Semantic analysis are close to irrelevant when it comes to people actually walking the walk. They're just tangibles to satisfy whoever you're reporting to when it comes to Twitter, imho.
- Mona Nomura
So what is justSignal missing? You see everything, you can tweet/reply, it does IM (but the tracker doesn't today), the Tracker has a Web based iPhone app. - And thanks for your insight on this... I'm not trying to defend what I've done... but learn what is needed next.
- Brian Roy
I totally agree with Mona. My computer chirping at me through Tweetdeck is great - but there aren't any mobile apps with as instantaneous a notification. I'm left with constantly manually pulling up search.twitter.com pages when I have a spare moment.
- Morgan Johnston
Alerts - the ability to know and respond right away when on the go. And these are just my opinions - glad they're useful.
- Mona Nomura
So if you have an iPhone app that updates in real time does that solve the problem? SMS isn't viable - there is no way anyone is going to pay what it costs to have EVERY tweet that mentions the brand sent to (potentially) dozens of phones. Try the ustream.tv iPhone one: http://justsignal.com/ustvsxsw
- Brian Roy
The problem with iPhones is there is no push + background. Which means the web interface has to be up at all times. SMS alerts are great - granted, your phone would be going off every two seconds, but it's a good option to have when services or new features are close to roll-out or just rolled out. Perhaps an email notification with consolidated Tweets in increments of 15 minutes? IM notifications? The possibilities are endless. It's all about options.
- Mona Nomura
Mona - completely agree. Thanks for the input. If you have any other thoughts let me know.
- Brian Roy
My pleasure Brian, anytime. :) Sorry Robert for hijacking your thread! But when Brian's justSignal blows up, you can say: "Hey, it all started on my FriendFeed!" ;)
- Mona Nomura
probably radian 6 or similar tool
- Adam Singer
there are plenty of alert services - though most will at best send you a digest of results every hour. - I agree yet again. It's about the flexibility; sometimes a digest of results once a day is fine, other times if I don't see a mention come in within a minute or two, I've lost that chance to help a customer.
- Morgan Johnston
Mona: conversation offshoots are why I love friendfeed. I learned something and I appreciate it.
- Robert Scoble
Mona - I'm hoping that "blow up" is in a good way - Don't want to be Cuil :)
- Brian Roy
The tools - in our hands anyway - reveal the insights that drive the engagement strategies.
- Thom Kennon
Brian - I am rooting for you! Thom - like I said, I would be interested in seeing your client list that practices said "engagement strategies". Oh, and FYI your Facebook profile links to a Montclair high-school female, class of '11. :(
- Mona Nomura
Mona, that's my daughter, Tori's FB profile. And would love to share with you our Listening Platform (Forrester stole our handle for heir recent Wave Report!...)
- Thom Kennon
Thom - why is your daughter's profile linked to your FriendFeed?! :O Did you know FriendFeed is indexed by Google? And how come you don't have your own Facebook? :(
- Mona Nomura
Mona - the kids (I've got 5) use my laptop, esp on w/e's. I must've linked FF to FB while she was still logged into her FB. Btw you can find me on FB at Thom Kennon.
- Thom Kennon
Dell uses Radian 6.
- Dominic Jones
I apologize for singling you out but this is something charts, graphs, and analytical data could never teach you. Regardless of the explanation, as a Social Media expert linking an incorrect profile to your own social profile reflects... well... poorly.
- Mona Nomura
Mona -
- Thom Kennon
?
- Mona Nomura
Mona - yes, social media experts with 5 kids should be forewarned to log all those darn kids off when he reclaims his laptop on weekends. Your vigilant watch keeps the social space safe!
- Thom Kennon
You need lessons from Robert and Louis - they blog, Tweet AND FriendFeed while changing diapers and playing with the kids. Robert even records videos unrelated to Patrick and Milan!
- Mona Nomura
Mona: we can all make mistakes. I don't let other people touch my laptop now. Including my kids. They have their own laptops. I don't touch theirs. They don't touch mine. Now that netbooks are $400 and decent that's how things should roll.
- Robert Scoble
Back to thread topic --- Radian6 just updated to new rev today. Some very cool enhancements. We've been deep into VT's TruCast for some time as well. Quite robust, esp. ecosystem mapping. And Cymfony's Maestro is their newest enhanced app/platform. Love their data set! Our colleagues in APAC use CIC, eager to put that thru paces soon.
- Thom Kennon
Of course we make mistakes, we're all human. But if I were a potential client, I wouldn't even think of contacting them. - just saying. :)
- Mona Nomura
Someone give Mona another Rockstar Energy Drink :-p
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm thinking of trying out ScoutLabs' 30-Day Free Trial SM brand-conversation tracking tool, though I agree with Mona (of course ;) that it takes more diligence than simply using a Radian6-like service: http://www.scoutlabs.com/
- Marko Bon
Loving this conversation as this is something I've been looking at recently. Right now I'm using twitter search brought in as an RSS feed for the company's name but wondering if there is a better way as I'd like to be able to search for products too without creating 11ty billion search queries. It works but I know there are much better tools that I should be using
- Tamara
Yes, Marko, we're in middle of a trial of ScoutLabs as well. Doesn't feel as robust and tool-rich as the rest, but that's first blush, we'll continue to bang on it and report back.
- Thom Kennon
CoTweet's designed specifically for brands http://cotweet.com. It provides a layer of control and coordination that makes communicating through Twitter much more effective and efficient for companies. It allows multiple people to communicate through the same Twitter account, combining tools for outbound marketing and PR as well as response-oriented customer service. You can share the responsibility of being "on duty" for the account and assign followups to other team members.
- jesse
They are using listening platforms like TNS cymfony, Buzzmetrics and Radian6. I've got details.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Too long of a topic for here, but this will all evolve into "just another Contact Center Channel" for big companies. It will be just like phone, chat, email, etc. When that happens it won't be a game changer - it will be the same companies providing the same (barely acceptable) level of service/engagement. I've seen this too many times since 1992 - and this is no different. It is also why I'm not trying to solve that (I could, but don't want to) with justSignal. I know where it goes...
- Brian Roy
BTW - Whoever does "solve" the contact center channel for Social Media will make serious $$$ - probably far more than by catering to PR/Marketing. So here is my free advice - study what Kana did with email and Genesys does with multi-channel - plug SM into something like that and sell to 500+ seat contact centers.
- Brian Roy
Piping RSS feeds from search.twitter.com would certainly help. Put a number of these in a GReader folder and turn on an RSS feed for that folder so that others can see too.
- Mike Reynolds
I track Twitter keywords from search.twitter.com via a FriendFeed Room. You can track the flow, and they become searchable as well.
- Hutch Carpenter
Great dialogue. I'm curious how Mona and Robert feel about the need for quick response versus monitoring when it comes to large scale national brands? Take something like Kleenex where brand is used as a noun, do they need to respond to every mention in SM? Isn't there value to them listening and understanding how their brand is used?
- JMaultasch
That is where common sense needs to be exercised in order to pick and choose the signal vs noise and respond when appropriate. What a lot of marketers are missing is the purpose of SM sites -- specifically, Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Have to say when I interviewd the guys at http://cotweet.com I really was impressed with their offering, and how they understood why it's not just some shit you drop into a call-center. See http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- David Petherick
from twhirl
Oops, totally forgot to mention cotweet. Sorry @jesse. We just started testing it out on our team and have been really happy with it so far.
- Tamara
Great discussion everyone. What I would like to hear is: Twitter and other social media platforms are great with consumer goods and already-established-brands. But what about the huge industries of companies making capital goods???? Their customers have probably never hear of social media. What do they do? just ignore it? Is Social Media only our world , while tons of companies have no business being here?
- Peter Efland
Again, what a lot of marketers are missing is the purpose of SM sites -- specifically, Twitter. Identify, acknowledge, and understand the why to recognize the how.
- Mona Nomura
Peter: I'm not sure your assumption holds... for example - here is a twitter search for Kenmore (lame, appliances sold a Sears): http://search.twitter.com/search... - SM is just visible word of mouth. People talk about all kinds of things. Granted that the demographics are still a bit skewed... but that is changing quickly.
- Brian Roy
@CoTweet will be a great app for monitoring business accounts in twitter while maintaining a human aspect behind the account - better than just a broadcast mechanism.
- Courtney Engle
to Mona's point directly above, Brian Morrisey of AdWeek said something at Social Media Week here in NYC that I jotted down: "People use Social Media not to connect with *brands,* but to connect with *each other.*" That's the WHY we're on Twitter -- and for Brands that will require a little re-alignment for how they decide to operate in this space.
- Marko Bon
tracking the live chatter - Tweetdeck, google alerts, friendfeed room, all helpful.
- Courtney Engle
to Marko's point Is it necessary to distinguish brand from community? Tony @zappos represents his brand sure - but he's solidly an individual on Twitter as well. Frank @comcastcares is clearly his own person even as he works to help Comcast's customers, and my own work @JetBlue - while I work hard to keep our public feed strictly on the topics I believe our customers want to see, it doesn't make my interaction any less authentic and human. The advantage of SM is that companies no longer need to be faceless
- Morgan Johnston
Newsweek The Case Against Crocs - http://www.newsweek.com/id...
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Bah, I never got the hate for Crocs. (I used to think I didn't hate any moderately reasonable element of fashion, and then I saw baseball caps turned to 45 degrees...)
- Andrew C
It's a good thing there are no wars or recessions to cover these days...
- Carlo
Crocs have their place - I think they're good kitchen shoes for those in the restaurant industry, for ex. (??) Or if you're out in the garden at home. But everyday footwear? No thanks.
- Sarah Perez
Crocs would be horrible shoes to wear in a kitchen due to the holes on the top. Imagine accidentally getting hot oil on your foot wearing a pair of those...ouch.
- Alex Scoble
they come with no holes for restaurant staff
- Pokai
They're great at the beach, but they're really slick when wet, and easy to slip out of if the back strap isn't down. Easier to don and doff than the Teva's I'd worn to the beach for years.
- Dave Roth
Twitgraph: track micro trends on twitter - http://ouriel.typepad.com/myblog...
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I still prefer Twist - but I think it would be cool to compare the Facebook/Google trend data against the Twitter data- that would be an interesting mashup and trend comparison. It would be a more wholistic approach to trending data.
- Mary McKnight
from a UI point of View Twist wins it. But Twist does not win on granulatity of data
- Ouriel Ohayon
Journalism is dead. A Wired magazine article about Japanese hatred of the iPhone is fact checked at http://www.appleinsider.com/article... and shown 2 b bogus
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Since when has Wired been journalism. They're little more than a group blog that gets distributed on dead trees.
- Adewale Oshineye
Can you advise about social media if you don't use it? - http://blogs.zdnet.com/Foremsk...
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Tom: you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Totally agree with you - no one should be advising on social media until they are active users!
- JMaultasch
right
- lancao
Three steps: Awareness, Observation, Participation.
- Louis Gray
Agree with this post. Reminds me of Jeremiah Owyang's post last week: http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
- Hutch Carpenter
No.
- l0ckergn0me
Sure... as long as it doesn't have to be *good* advice
- Herb Hernandez
can we get at least one "yes" ? hehe would make for a less predictable discussion
- Glenn Batuyong
totally agree w you, Tom.
- Anthony Citrano
Oh wow - he's on FriendFeed?!
- Mona Nomura
Kanye West's Radiohead tirade cut from VH1 show | Entertainment | Reuters - http://www.reuters.com/article...
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Why the Twitter Haters Are Wrong - http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/columns...
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I am a reformed Twitter hater, so we shouldn't judge.
- Joe Anderson
Whatsthishnh? People hate Twitter??
- Mark Havenner
@Joe: welcome to the Twitter! ;)
- Sarah Perez
Wow, the power of Twitter. Haagen Dazs sent @Digg a case of ice cream for tweeting about them! http://twitpic.com/1q992
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Shouldn't the digg users get credit too? :|
- Mona Nomura
It's not the power of Twitter. It's the power of a TOP 10 Twitter USER. Big difference.
- Alexander Schek
from twhirl
What Alexander said. Watch this. "Volkswagen New Beetles are excellent vehicles" I am now waiting for my beetle.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm tweet about ice cream all day long if Haagen Dazs sends me a case. Mmmmm
- Summer
The network effect in web 2.0 is also its biggest tragedy - http://vanelsas.wordpress.com/2009...
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"Great post. Focusing on numbers is interesting sometimes, but focusing on building a great service is far more important. Truth is the numbers usually follow anyway if you really have something great."
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, exactly. But you know as will as I do, that this behavior isn’t about to change. It requires a big mental shift in business models and redefining when a company is successful. There will be more and more good examples, so let’s hope people will start to realize that user value generates revenue and growth in a more powerful and valuable way than just focusing on growth itself
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander there is great line out of a book most people haven't read but (maybe) have seen the movie and I think its turning around applies here:"There is slow money to be made in the building of a civilization; fast money in that civilization's destruction." What you describe is a situation of turning this quote around with an industry who wants to make fast money by tearing the product up first "kicking the tires" while collecting the "civilization" around it as fast as it can thinking that somehow....
- Melanie Reed
...something lasting and large (like a civilization) is being made when just the opposite is happening. You often mention "grandma's wisdom" and I would add just plain "snapping the spell" as Chesterton would put it on changing the mental picture that has been allowed to dominate the industry. As I said on your blog, "Thank you"!!! for stating this "out pen"!
- Melanie Reed
@Melanie, Thanks! What book are you thinking about?
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander You probably won't believe this, but the book is Mitchell's "Gone With the Wind" The character she uses to make observations on society is Rhett Butler. Most of those observations still hold true in our day. P.S. The movie, while excellent, leaves out a lot.
- Melanie Reed
Why the Japanese Hate the iPhone | Gadget Lab from Wired.com - http://blog.wired.com/gadgets...
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"Apple's iPhone has wowed most of the globe — but not Japan, where the handset is selling so poorly it's being offered for free."
- Reuben Thum
from Bookmarklet
BECAUSE THERE IS NO PUSH.
- Mona Nomura
Well, maybe not all Japanese hate the iPhone. :)
- Reuben Thum
No Hello Kitty Apps ~ FAIL
- sofarsoShawn
All my Japanese friends in the US and Europe have iPhones. NONE of my Japanese friends in Japan have an iPhone LOL
- Mona Nomura
Oh god, Lindsey. Japanese cell phones are HORRID. The UX is blah!
- Mona Nomura
My guess is that Japan being the forefront in tech, they cram every existing features available into the device, instead of restricting features for their next release, *ahem* Samsung *ahem*. So their perception of a good device is more features, not so much on design and UI.
- Reuben Thum
It's an epidemic. EVERYTHING is complicated - even their websites. HORRIBLE UIs, HORRIBLE.
- Mona Nomura
I posted a similar blog back in July when the iPhone first came to Japan http://is.gd/l3Jk
- KyleHase
from twhirl
How much of it is the input system, I wonder? I imagine it's no fun trying to enter kana using a touch screen.
- Victor Ganata
Great post Kyle, and yes, NO STRAP LOOPS!
- Reuben Thum
Kyle, what about kana on an iPhone touchscreen vs Japanese cel phones, though?
- Victor Ganata
I'd touch type any day instead of using stylus on a WinMo device.
- Reuben Thum
Victor: Japanese input on Japanese cell phones are unbeleiveably easy. The hardware interface is well adapted for this. Honestly, I haven't used the iPhone in Japanese mode (I'm primarily an English user) but if there is an input argument on the iPhone then it's not a problem with all touchscreen devices since, as I said, WinMo touchscreen devices are quite popular.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
I love the Japanese input on the iPhone - use it all the time. There are two methods kana and 10 key.
- Mona Nomura
I had an unescapable moment where a coworker decided to show me her "iphone" knockoff from China. To even call it a knockoff went way too far. The UI was so bad I was speechless.
- Micah Wittman
I love this. I love that the iphone is hated by a country :-D. It's so refreshing to read this :-)
- Richard A.
But the iPhone is free in Australia if you spend enough.
- Bryce Roney
no 1seg
- Richard Lawler
Plan, Tweet, Teach, Tweet, Learn, Smile | ICT in my Classroom - http://tbarrett.edublogs.org/2008...
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Why Not Reading an Entire Post is Foolish - http://technologizer.com/2009...
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3 Million Blogs Have Installed Google Friend Connect - http://www.socialtimes.com/2009...
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