"Lawyers are arguing whether a woman charged with aggravated murder should have access to Cocoa Puffs and other snacks while awaiting trial in the county jail in Everett. A two-hour hearing was held Monday in Snohomish County Superior Court on motions filed by lawyers for Holly Grigsby and David "Joey" Pedersen. They are denied access to the jail commissary - and treats like Cocoa Puffs and candy bars - because of the serious charges against them in a possible death penalty case. The Daily Herald reports defense attorney Pete Mazzone argued that it's against Grigsby's constitutional rights to deny her access to the commissary. Grigsby and Pedersen have pleaded not guilty in the Everett deaths last September of Pedersen's father and stepmother. Pedersen and Grigsby are also accused of killing Cody Myers in western Oregon and Reginald Clark near Eureka, Calif., in early October."
- holly #ravingfangirl
from Bookmarklet
Note the new Apple HQ design vaguely resembles a coliseum.
- The original Kevin
If Apple were really cool, they'd landscape their campuses with the apricot trees that originally were in Cupertino before it became parking.
- Spidra Webster
"The government safety net was created to keep Americans from abject poverty, but the poorest households no longer receive a majority of government benefits. A secondary mission has gradually become primary: maintaining the middle class from childhood through retirement. The share of benefits flowing to the least affluent households, the bottom fifth, has declined from 54 percent in 1979 to 36 percent in 2007, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis published last year. And as more middle-class families like the Gulbransons land in the safety net in Chisago and similar communities, anger at the government has increased alongside. Many people say they are angry because the government is wasting money and giving money to people who do not deserve it. But more than that, they say they want to reduce the role of government in their own lives. They are frustrated that they need help, feel guilty for taking it and resent the government for providing it. They say they want less help for themselves; less help in caring for relatives; less assistance when they reach old age."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
This article reminded me of the Dark Ages solution to the Black Death. Strange plague wiping out most of Europe? I've got an idea: let's kill the cats! Sure, they're the primary means of getting rid of the rats whose lice carry the plague, but those darn cats are TOOLS OF TEH DEBBIL. Only reasonable thing to do, really.
- Steven Perez
Yeah, it's like saying people wouldn't be sick if modern medicine didn't exist.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Heh, I think I've mentioned this before, but a while back I received a chain email from someone about how awful welfare recipients are, basically the dregs of society. The very next email from the same person was, OMG, Obama is trying to take away our social security! Revolt! I just cannot understand how people don't see the conflict.
- Michelle M
That's why I love the charts that accompany this article, which basically state "and this is why all these people are wrong".
- Steven Perez
Cognitive dissonance and of course serious likely terminal case of dumb ass. maybe don't take the money you selfidh hypoctrite prick. And yes Lindstrom Mn is just as fucked up as it seems from this article
- WarLord
The most illustrative quote in that story is the one where the guy says the EITC allows his kids to play sports and have car insurance. Because these are important priorities.
- The original Kevin
Car insurance is an important priority! Unfortunately, modern American life for many people requires a car, and it is the responsible thing to do (and legal obligation?) to have insurance.
- Andrew C (✓)
"Legend has it that lovers used to meet under pistachio trees and listen for shells cracking, which signaled everlasting happiness. We don't have a pistachio tree handy, but we do have Jeff Cerciello's immensely gratifying pistachio-pesto pasta. In Santa Monica at Farmshop's newly launched artisan market, Cerciello replaces the oft-used basil-pine-nut version with an arresting combination of fresh parsley, mint, garlic, Meyer-lemon zest and red pepper flakes. Toasted pistachios and tender broccoli florets provide soulful heft in a recipe that's become our newest Italian-inspired crush."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
Pretty sure I see that face in the mirror every morning.
- The original Kevin
The lil thumbnail looked to me like a male torso at first. Check out the link, his photos are cool. I especially like the dalmatians, of course, and the running puli is awesome. Also, now I know who to credit for the skeleton dog I posted last Halloween :)
- Starmama
from FFHound(roid)!
EDIT/ Hah, just realized I confused Beaverton with somewhere else. So... my rationale is a bit off there, but I still dispute that you need fancy panties, French restaurants or wine bars to be romantic.
- Jennifer Dittrich
"Meat from the culled deer would be distributed to local food banks and homeless shelters." That's good. Usually people have trouble understanding that wildlife needs to be managed (since mankind took out a lot of the major predators that would have managed them). But the article makes it seem like even the average person can understand there are so many of them in this particular area that they're really damaging things.
- Spidra Webster
I'm glad to see that the meat will be going to a useful purpose (which wasn't the case in NYC's goose culls). Forests can maintain a population of deer up to a certain point (I think it's 20 deer per square mile). Above that, the habitat will degrade until it's just old trees and invasive shrubs, with few of the understory plants that support wildlife other than deer.
- John (bird whisperer)
I think they should reintroduce wolves to RCP. Would serve the dual purpose of keeping down the population of pervs and other undesirables there. And it would add some adventure to those boring Sunday runs and bike rides.
- The original Kevin
Carol Linnitt | Unethical Oil: Why Is Canada Killing Wolves and Muzzling Scientists To Protect Tar Sands Interests? - http://www.desmogblog.com/unethic...
"The wolf cull is ostensibly designed to protect northern Alberta’s woodland caribou, a species that in recent years has become critically threatened. But scientists have ridiculed the plan, saying this sort of ‘wildlife management’ turns the wolf into an innocent scapegoat, while the real culprit – the province’s aggressive timber, oil and gas development – is spared any real scrutiny or accountability. According to this strategy, caribou and wolf alike fall prey to another kind of predator: multinational corporations."
- The original Kevin
from Bookmarklet
Real Dan Lyons- Hit men, click whores, and paid apologists: Welcome to the Silicon Cesspool » Real Dan Lyons Web Site - http://www.realdanlyons.com/blog...
"...lately I’ve been thinking of a business plan that sounds like it could work. First you establish yourself as an “influencer” by posting a lot of noisy stuff on a blog and building an audience. Then you need to “monetize” your influence. You tell all the VCs in the Valley that you are starting an “angel fund,” and you ask each one to give you, say, $500,000. They go along because (a) $500,000 is pocket change to these guys — so small, in fact, that they don’t care if they lose every penny of it; and (b) you’re an influential hack and they don’t want to piss you off; and (c) they figure you can maybe write nice things about their portfolio companies, which would be especially useful if/when one of their portfolio companies gets caught up in some scandal; and (d) if any independent journalists write something critical about one of the VC’s portfolio companies, you can can use your influential personal blog to savagely attack those journalists and try to discredit them."
- The original Kevin
from Bookmarklet
Hey all, I'm what's known as an "influencer" in that I post to several social media sites *ON A DAILY BASIS!* As it happens, I'm starting a new tech blog to be called "Pander Daily" and if you'll contribute a few hundred thousand dollars to my start up costs and initial operating budget, I can promise you positive exposure using my notable influence in "the valley." Interested? Then...
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- Mark J Subtly Severe
from Android
If you're into extreme violence it has a lot of that to offer, easily the most violent show i've seen on current non cable tv. I like the girl, would like to see her in better show
- SteVe C
I saw the high rating on IMDB and tried it too. But didn't like the pilot. Maybe the next episodes are good?
- AJ Batac :)
I think they're going for an Alias-style big mystery. Just not sure what it is yet.
- The original Kevin
It's getting better. Slowly. I think they'd do better to capitalize on the weird aspect of the disappearances/reappearances and tone down the violence part. I'm convinced that we'll get to the end of the show (in 2-3 years) and find out it was a dream that the blond cop was having.
- Jyl BlueBott
I hope the dog from LOST comes and joins Hurley, cause Hurley is definitely still Hurley.
- SteVe C
Dude! It's got long legs and before I knew it I was well deep into those thighs. It's got puzzles and why done its (my favs) and a few who done its (not so much my favs). I'm hoping it goes all Lost-like.
- Lnorigb
from FFHound!
I think Hurley is the reason I'm sticking with it. He's great!
- Jyl BlueBott
Agreed on the mystery part. The thought of watching programmed killers coming back to kill and kill and kill is not that appealing.
- Todd Hoff
i've watched 4 episodes, really wanting to like it...... and so far, it's MEH
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
I love the Juke. It won't win any beauty contests but is more interesting to me than the bland Camry, Jetta, Fusion cough drops with four wheels.
- Derrick
"Has Obama in office been anything like the chess master he seemed in the campaign, whose placid veneer masked an ability to think 10 moves ahead, at which point his adversaries would belatedly recognize that they had lost long ago? Or has he been revealed as just a pawn—a guy who got lucky as a campaigner but is now pushed around by political opponents who outwit him and economic trends that overwhelm him?"
- The original Kevin
from Bookmarklet
Congrats! How has the increase in physical fitness felt? Are you stronger and more energetic?
- Spidra Webster
Having better fitness is great. Used to get winded climbing stairs, not anymore! Unfortunately, my weight loss hasn't helped my bad back issues - been fighting back pain for 5 months. Hard to exercise when you're in pain!
- Ken Gidley
That's too bad. I'm pretty sure losing weight off my gut would help my back issues. Do you do hamstring stretches? My chiro told me (and my experience bears out) that tight hamstrings can pull on things in a way that causes low back pain. Of course, if your back pain is due to disc issues, that's another kettle of fish.
- Spidra Webster
Has this all been due to bike riding or have you had a program involving diet regimen and other exercises? I'm curious because I have chronic pain from disability. As you say, it's hard to exercise when you're in pain. I'm trying to change my eating regimen again as well as exercise even more. I'm curious what worked for you.
- Spidra Webster
I don't stretch enough, but I do have disc issues. Had surgery 15 years back, looking like I may need another go of it. :(
- Ken Gidley
Spidra - the biggest thing for me was changing my diet. I've used LoseIt.com and the companion iPhone app to help me set a daily calorie budget (based on my current weight and the rate I wanted to lose weight - 1.5 lbs / per week), and track all my calorie intake. I log every bite I eat, every day now. I can eat anything I want, so long as I have the room in my calorie budget for the...
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- Ken Gidley
"calorie budget" - what an awesome concept :)
- Brent
from iPhone
The biking has helped with the fitness aspect, plus I found I really enjoy it, so it gives me something to do besides sit on the couch and eat.
- Ken Gidley
Wow! Also, I love the crazy lighting on your cheeks in the third picture, due to your glasses. Either that or it was face-painting day at work again. :-)
- Brian Johns
Brent, it's a simple idea too, and very powerful. It has taken a year to get where I am, but I really haven't felt at all deprived during that time. I still eat the foods I love, just less off them. I had a Philly Cheesesteak and fries at lunch today - well, half a sandwich, and half the fries! Had the other half of the sandwich for dinner.
- Ken Gidley
Brian - I didn't want to wait until the afternoon to replicate the lighting conditions of the middle picture - my photographer (wife) had other things to do... :)
- Ken Gidley
"Behold a collection of lovely images from the second season of George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. Get your first look at Bran Stark's new legs, Hodor, Balon Greyjoy, Brienne and a whole new clan of Baratheons."
- Jennifer Dittrich
from Bookmarklet
I'm always amazed how different my mental picture of the characters are from what the series (which, admittedly, I don't watch) features.
- Soup in a TARDIS
I can't even remember what I imagined them to look like before watching the series. I think all the major Lannisters are close to my preconceptions, but none of the Starks really are.
- Victor Ganata
For me it has been pretty close, with the exception of Peytr Baelish and Ned Stark. I like the actors they chose, but it was a bit odd at first.
- Jennifer Dittrich
As far as the Baratheons go, Robert, Renly, and Joffrey are pretty close to what I imagined, but not Stannis. (Yes, I know Joffrey isn't really a Baratheon....)
- Victor Ganata
Ya, what Victor said about the Starks. Rob is probably the closest, followed by Sansa. I imagined a much younger Catelyn. (Unless I'm mistaken she's only in her mid-late 30s in the books. The actress looks at least 50, if not older. I can't really buy Lena Heady as a blonde.
- The original Kevin
So far the only huge mismatch between my mental image and the show is Brienne as pictured in that article. (Well, and Tyrion being so much uglier in the books.) In my head, Brienne was more muscular and broad-shouldered. I know that this actress is 6'1" in real life, but she doesn't look substantial enough in that picture to fit the role. But we'll see! What works for a TV series is very different than what works in a book, so I'm open to them making whatever changes they need.
- Stephen Mack
I'm withholding judgement on Brienne as well - she does look different than I pictured her in my head, but so much will depend on how the actress carries herself in the role, that I could see it going either way.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Yeah, it might be like when I first heard who was playing Ned Stark and Daenerys Targaryen. Sean Bean and Emilia Clarke didn't match my preconceptions but they totally owned their characters.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
"For a while, at least, the annual bowling party for the Jim Evans Academy for Professional Umpiring was a typical company outing. Employees drafted teams, concocted humorous names and went to the local alley to compete for bragging rights.
- The original Kevin
from Bookmarklet
"It did not stay normal for long. Over the course of that evening last month in Kissimmee, Fla., one team of employees bowled under a name that invoked the Ku Klux Klan. The team had entered the alley wearing costumes that played off the racist group’s distinctive regalia."
- The original Kevin
Because they're not like the people pointing the fingers.
- caj needs a haircut
GET AWAY FROM ME YOU MONSTER!! *rolls eyes*
- Mo Kargas
I'm supposed to make a LibGuide today about the MN Marriage Amendment (which would ban same-gender marriage) and I'm supposed to make it "neutral". Ain't nothing neutral about it.
- marthalib
Don't you understand that letting gays marry and have kids and be equals will DESTROY MY LIFE AS A STRAIGHT PERSON??? No? That's not it.... Then I've got nothing, sorry.
- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
I do think it's one of those things that triggers some visceral response in people and granted I'm likely biased, but it's just so freaking ridiculous. Don't people KNOW gays? Have them as cousins? Neighbors? Are we really that different? Geesh.
- Derrick
I wish I knew. I had a discussion about this with a homophobe once, and he told me that tolerance was ruining this country. I didn't even know what to say. I mean, JFC.
- Michelle M
@Derrick - my mom knows several gay folks - I brought home several openly gay friends from college and she was Mrs. June Cleaver - offering food and being nice and such. She even went with me to visit my best friend from college when he opened his art gallery a few years ago. She *still* thinks that - other than those nice boys I met in college - the gays are bad people. I'm not sure how she reconciles that with having a gay brother, but I think that's just denial...
- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
Insecurity in social situations. Modern society has existed so buttoned down on the fact "This is what a man is" and "This is what a woman is" that people are scared of the change. People fear change... and transpose that fear onto those they perceive as forcing that change on them.
- Johnny
from iPhone
Martha, that's horrible. "Neutrality" in librarianship is actually a problem for issues like this, because there very clearly is a wrong side. Does the library provide "balanced" coverage of the equal rights movement?
- DJF
Gays are smarter, funnier, better dressed, and having more sex than we straights are. What's not to hate about that?
- Your Neighbor Steve
Oh ho Derrick - you should have heard the 2 hour lecture I got when I brought home a gay *black* man. Whoo - I'd always thought my dad was less tolerant than my mom. I got educated pretty quick. Mom didn't think I should have any black friends - much less gay ones - while dad just thought that they didn't need to be brought home to our white neighborhood. I could still hang with them, just not bring them home. I'm so glad I managed to turn out the fabulously accepting person I am now... ;)
- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
You should just tell your folks that you're trying to convert the gays.
- DJF
I used to deal with this issue all the time when I taught middle school Sunday school at my old church. Our church was always big on the "everyone welcome" thing, but it wasn't true. There was always one group my kids would be able to identify as a group that would not feel welcome in the church. In the later years it was always gay people. There is always a group people will look down on to feel better about themselves.
- Alan
IMO, it is because gay folks make a convenient target that plucks at both/either religious and/or sexual buttons in the less tolerant folks. The objective of any "mass" othering/scare tactic is to produce as much fear and irrational thought as quickly as possible as easily as possible in as many people as possible. Which sucks various monkey parts.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
Yeah, I realize that Mo. I just wish that people could see through the plotting. When in doubt, bring up the gays and watch how polarizing people can get.
- Derrick
and the moment you make the connection, you feel like a cynic the rest of your life.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
Bigotry is alive and well in this country and I don't know why that is aside from generalities of humans psychology.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
My hypothesis is that a small subgroup of people in this country believe that "Leave it to Beaver" was reality TV. It never existed, it never will & no amount of legislation is going to create it.
- Anne Graham
another problem is that so many people with the extreme beliefs homeschool now so their kids are only learning about the world through the eyes of the parents.
- Alan
You may use me as a living witness to the Webgoddess's fabulosity. As for the gay thing? I was just having a similar discussion today over lunch. Obviously exposure has *something* to do with it. But as my lunch companion pointed out, he's known people exposed to "the other" (in this case black people) all their lives who still choose to hate. Whereas his mother was raised by an...
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- MoTO Bott
I think the real hate mongers see acceptance of gays as an erosion of their control/power structures and they don't even understand why they hate it for the most part. Accepting gays to some means religion isn't always right, women are equal, science has merit, whites shouldn't be entitled to more, English isn't the only acceptable language etc... (this is merely a paraphrasing of many salient points above)
- SAM
It's not complicated. Most people fear that which is different from them.
- The original Kevin
the thing is, original K, you can slice that pie so many ways that "differences" ultimately become irrelevant. I think some people just like to hate and use supposed differences as an excuse.
- MoTO Bott
Because they are *told* to be afraid of the gays. Just like they are/were *told* to be afraid of blacks, or jews, or gypsies, or the Irish, or whatever.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
But we are "told" to floss & exercise. Things we don't "like" to do. Evidently we like to hate.
- MoTO Bott
from Android
That is very true, B. It is, apparently, a lot easier to hate than to love.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
It does seem so easy to drive folks to hate... Ugh. I wonder what evolutionary purpose hate helped? It must've been useful at some point to kill off other users of resources to move your own group's genetic code forward I guess? Will hate become an evolutionary disadvantage in a more civilized society? Will mean people never get laid one day? (I guess gay folks aren't helping us breed it out of the system!)
- SAM
I must be the exception. Hating takes too much energy. Papa is lazy. Love is actually the lazy man's option.
- MoTO Bott
from Android
No, I'm with you Barry. Hate is one of those things I don't really "get".
- SAM
What Rochelle said/linked. ;) EDIT: Plucked from the article, "The key to avoiding that ammonia smell is to ingest sufficient carbohydrates. If you eat an ample amount of carbohydrate with every meal, then you should have plenty to fuel your exercise activity."
- caj needs a haircut
Mark, when you say 'ketones' are you suggesting that means the body is in ketosis? Is that the state that carb-free diets try to induce?
- The original Kevin
That was my personal experience, Kevin. In a recent comment, on one Victor Granata's posts, I mentioned doing a carbohydrate "depletion" diet in preparation for a marathon. The regimen was to consume mostly lean protein, minimal fat, and avoid any unnecessary carbohydrates. The impotance of drinking a lot of water was emphasized repeatedly, because the combination of high protein and a...
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- Mark J Subtly Severe
from Android
"Google has never shown that it has any of the characteristics necessary to build, market, and sell consumer goods."
- The original Kevin
from Bookmarklet
I like Linsanity. Not just cos Jeremy Lin is from The Bay & he's getting tons of attention but also because I love to see Asian Americans represented outside of stereotypes.
"It’s debatable whether Obama is more crudely political than George W. Bush or Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan. But what’s transpired over the past several weeks isn’t debatable: He’s made a series of calculated, overtly political gestures that are far more transactional than transformational."
- The original Kevin
from Bookmarklet
Yes, Obama wants to get reelected. He's a politician. That's what they do.
- The original Kevin
Perhaps he would be more electable if he actually followed through on his 2008 campaign promises. As it stands now his reelection is hanging by a thread -- if any event disrupts or damages the US economy before November (like an Iran War), he will be in trouble and possibly turn out to be a one-term president. Think Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush.
- Sean McBride
It's not like he's operating in a vacuum. The GOP hasn't exactly given him a blank check to implement his agenda.
- The original Kevin
Real leaders confront and try to overcome opposition. They get bruised and bloodied in battle. They don't cower and run away from hard fights.
- Sean McBride
The President just basically has to tread water and wait for the other guy to implode. It's actually a lot like Mitt's strategy for winning the GOP nomination
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
The article sounds like concern-trolling: complaining about Obama doing things that every president does. Publicizing areas of disagreement is a natural part of campaigning. If you can't identify and defend ideas that you want to implement that your opponents don't want to do, then why are you running for office in the first place?
- John (bird whisperer)
For the record, I wasn't endorsing the premise of the article. I think Obama has had to walk a tightrope of trying to get some big things done in a political environment that is, to say the least, difficult (vis the ridiculous opposition to closing Guantanamo). That said, a lot of folks who initially supported him had (and continue to have) ridiculous expectations about what he can and should do.
- The original Kevin
OK, maybe I've had too much to drink. I am now educating white people about the Spabish-American War and why Filipinos are in this country, and why Puerto Ricans and Guamanians are technically American and why we care so much about Cuba
The discussion got me hungry. I ended up getting Mexican food. I don't really know if my audience felt more enlightened.
- Victor Ganata
When I finally got exposed to more in-depth history of the Spanish-American war in college, it was a real eye-opener. I didn't know US imperialism had started back that far (well....if you don't count the taking over of Indian land as imperialism by name...)
- Spidra Webster
Yeah, I think most people hear briefly about the "Philippine Insurrection" in high school, if they hear about it at all. Most of the focus is on Cuba. I didn't really make the connection with the wars against Native Americans until I looked at primary sources from the Filipino-American War. And even though part of the rationale for the Anti-Imperialist League was straight-up racist, reading about it definitely increased my admiration of Mark Twain.
- Victor Ganata
I know my dad always felt a strong affinity for Spain growing up Puerto Rico, even though he'd been a U.S. citizen by birth. He and a lot of other folks felt like they'd been unfairly separated from their mother country. At the same time, he was patriotic about the U.S. and served in the military. I was always confused...
- The original Kevin
"As 'slavery' and 'involuntary servitude' are uniquely human activities, as those terms have been historically and contemporaneously applied, there is simply no basis to construe the Thirteenth Amendment as applying to non-humans." http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news... -- yup, the PETA case against SeaWorld got thrown out.
- Victor Ganata
well, that was an easy call on my part. But focusing on "human" rather than "sentient", is just kicking the ball down the field.
- DJF
Yeah, throwing out the case seems straight-forward, but my speculative-oriented mind can't help but wonder what the unintended consequences of such a precedent could be way down the line.
- Victor Ganata
Data will not be pleased. Pickard better get his arguments ready.
- The original Kevin
Ignoring clones, zombies, and hybrids, and within the realm of the possible, what happens five years from now when the researchers do figure out that the dolphins or orcas are, in fact, capable of something like human intelligence? What about all the great apes who learn sign language, and actually create compounds in that language to fill in the gaps in their vocabulary? This is a serious ethical problem now, which the justices just blew off.
- DJF
Our species doesn't have a very good track record of respecting basic sapient rights without blood having to be spilt. Unless there's an ape and/or cetacean uprising, I suspect the powers-that-be will find ways to shut down any research that confirms the sapience of non-human organisms.
- Victor Ganata
Aw, and here I was hoping someone would emancipate the corporations.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
The problem with extending laws to other species is that rights come with responsibilities. If an orca kills a person, after being deemed smart enough to have legal protections, are they going to be put on trial with a jury of their peers?
- <3Heather<3
Heather, if they're smart enough to have legal protections, then one might assume that humans were their peers.
- DJF
Plus, it's not about intelligence, or there are categories of people who would not qualify for legal protections. I think humans greatly underestimate animal intelligence because of our testing bias and the insistence that observation is bias and invalid. Animal rights is a tricky subject to find a line and draw it clearly. That's why I'm an animal welfare supporter and not an animal rights supporter.
- <3Heather<3
Well, there really are categories of humans who are denied certain rights, though, like children and the mentally incapacitated (although, yeah, the 13th Amendment does apply to them.) I think the judge should've just tossed it out by arguing that performing for food and shelter isn't (necessarily) slavery, rather than denying sapient non-humans protection from slavery.
- Victor Ganata
Performing for food and shelter when one is not given a choice is slavery, however. Confinement without consent is imprisonment. In any event, to DJF's question, if interspecies communication goes beyond the rudimentary form in which it exists today, maybe it'll be easier to recognize other creatures as sentient and grant them some rights. However, there will probably be huge opposition from the usual, fundamentalist quarters to anything like that.
- The original Kevin
Yes, it definitely can be slavery, but it isn't necessarily so. Kidnapping somebody and making them work for no wages and locking them in your basement is different from making your kids do chores and preventing them from leaving the house whenever they feel like it, or from making your dog guard the house and keeping them locked behind a gate. Also, babies and pets are definitely sentient, but they're not necessarily sapient.
- Victor Ganata
Got here late...but fully agree with Heather...
- ☆彡Jazzy-B
Blind people of the US rejoice! You won't have to give up your seeing eye dogs or pay them your state's legal minimum wage.
- April