kk now it's getting even better! I wish we could get Thomas Hawk there.
- Robert Scoble
there's a super solid group of photographers attending gnomedex as usual. my 'gig' this time around is to do a photo recap in the last 15 mins before closing. make sure you jump in front of my lens. :)
- kk+
Robert, I'm there! Thanks for the heads up. Looking forward to it.
- Alberto Lopez
from iPhone
kk: Oh, I will! Can't wait to see who shows up at 7 a.m.! Alberto, see you there!
- Robert Scoble
Can me and my little point and shoot come?
- Liana Shanes
Every morning Maryam and her mom go through their Basmati rice and remove bad grains because the quality of rice has gone down recently (prices recently doubled due to a drought in India so the rice producers are shipping more crappy rice along). Anyway, this made me think of the mobs. There are lots of tools to deal with them, just like Maryam is dealing with her bad rice problem:
- Robert Scoble
1. Start a private room(er group). That is like the pile of rice with the bad ones removed. Maryam "invites" good rice into her room.
- Robert Scoble
2. Block jerks who call names. That is what Maryam does when she throws bad rice into the trash. They -- unlike on Twitter -- even are removed from your search results. Blocking also removes YOUR account from THEIR view so they no longer can attack you.
- Robert Scoble
3. Remove comments that exhibit mob behavior. Unly the person who starts a thread can do this on FriendFeed but this is much like a blog. Arrington removed one of my comments on TechCrunch today, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
4. Don't cause mobs to form in the first place. Mobs get excited when people in leadership positions attack entire countries and entire user bases of social networking tools.
- Robert Scoble
5. Use a higher form of media. If you respond to a Tweet storm with video, for instance, or to a video with a community roundtable where everyone can show up for a discussion you will appear more human and you will slow down the mob.
- Robert Scoble
6.You never stop a mob by arguing with it. Instead, join the mob, move to the front, and slowly guide it to your position. That requires humility and work, though.
- Robert Scoble
7. Call on your friends to be better. Attack them if you see them calling the other side names.
- Robert Scoble
8. Stop taking things so seriously. It's just text on the screen.
- Cristo
9. Stop buying into your friends' persecution complexes and paranoid delusions. Pay attention to your wife and come back to Planet Earth.
- Karim
10. Stop equating critical remarks on a web page with having the shit physically beat out of you by a real mob of real people in the real world.
- Karim
if the mob had numbers then wudnt it be harder for him to click those little checkboxs to delete the comments?
- Paul Rawlings
Arrington said I was inciting the loonies. http://twitter.com/arrington The funny thing is there are at least 139% more loonies on Twitter than on FriendFeed. Provably so, too. They all have a hashtag.
- Robert Scoble
Paul: I can delete all comments here very quickly. Here, I'll delete all the off topic comments here.
- Robert Scoble
I just deleted nine comments and it took a few seconds.
- Robert Scoble
Robert i love your style and commend you.
- Paul Rawlings
Can someone post this item over on Arrington's post? He's moderating my comments now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert ,when u r not present no one can control your post comments and there is no control at all,,, the community should have some better tools ,,,
- Johni Fisher
Johni: that is why I put my phone number on my blog and here so you can call and tell me a mob is out of control on my behalf: +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Johni: if you see a mob getting out of control you can use many of the other techniques. Block those who participate and let them know. That will at least punish them for their behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Johni: or join the mob, move to the front, and then start guiding them away from their target. That takes thought leadership and work, though. Not always easy.
- Robert Scoble
Respect to you, Mr. Scoble, for using the pen like a sword, and honoring the power of words at the same time.
- Dan Douglass
from Nambu
Doing that I will not see them but they will be there for the rest ,,,we can add an abuse function as u can report spam u should report bad comments ,,,maybe I am old fashion but I am sure that we could do better
- Johni Fisher
Johni: if we want the world to change first WE must change. Do you go and read racist materials? I don't. If people are jerks why not delete them from your inflow and keep them from engaging with you? That's how you change the world and signal to everyone that that behavior is not acceptable.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree that we should be the first to delete them but the community that we are part of must know that these users are as bad as they are ...I dont think that its so bad that some one will be out from our community and not just be away from my stream
- Johni Fisher
speaking of racist materials, Robert, did Arrington ever conclude that the TechNigga videos were racist? or does he still have his head up Loren Feldman's ass?
- Karim
Robert, I agree completely. Calling MA a douche or whatever doesn't help one bit. We need to to call him out on what he said, not what we think he is. You know him, better than most of us, so you have an insight into Michael Arrington. The rest of us need to just take a chill pill and if we feel strongly on what he wrote tell him. Other people who know should worry about him as a...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yuvi: that's what she heard. I don't know if it's true but the quality of rice from India has gone way down recently.
- Robert Scoble
Guess I need to go over and retract some of my post since I see now that it wasn't justified some of the stuff I wrote. so BRB :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Karim: I don't know what Arrington and Feldman's relationship is at the moment. They used to be friends, though, and, yes, it was an example of Arrington pushing a mob for his own business interests.
- Robert Scoble
"pushing a mob for his own business interests?" two questions. 1) is that what the kids call it these days? 2) aren't you assisting him with this in this thread?
- Karim
Karim: 1. Heh. 2. probably but if I worried about who I was helping I would just stay off the Internet. In general I try to be helpful rather than hurtful. Even against people who have been hurtful to me in the past.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: reference to bad rice :) i heard that they automated the process and dont pick it by hand anymore. apparently they use machines. maybe this is why the rice doesnt taste as good. Simply the machinery and the farming methods have had an impact on the quality of the rice.
- Paul Rawlings
Paul: that's possible. Whatever is going on with the rice supply it has several kernels that are dark and ruin the coloring of food (my motherinlaw says those are caused by worms inside the rice kernel).
- Robert Scoble
I'd also suggest stop feeding the trolls, Robert. Being helpful is one thing, linking back to Arrington continually is another. Just stop linking; you can talk about him, but links are assertions of authority, relevance, and value. Take that away. You can give him advice on tools w/o also giving him linklove. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
Robert, who, exactly, is it helping to buy into his hyperbole about "mobs" being syphilis or cancer or swine flu? i see how it helps "his own business interests," but i'm not sure why you feel a need to be an enabler.
- Karim
Robert: i can simply say that your mother in law is a very wise woman. damn those worms. lets hit the root of the problem and increase the number of birds so that the worms will be plucked from the soil before entering the rice and hopefully leading to a better quality rice.
- Paul Rawlings
Robert , should we get the FF founders opinion ?
- Johni Fisher
Ken: good point. Karim: I fall for link bait just as often as the next guy. I'm a sucker! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Clark: that's my intent, yes. And TechCrunch is relevant and influential. Even if we say it isn't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: if you do talk to friendfeed, tell them to put a comment button on the bottom of the comment stream. pain in the arse scrolling to the top. i am lazy, and proud of it :)
- Paul Rawlings
agree with you Paul, lets start a mob for getting the comment button under the comment stream. *Grabs pitchfork* Finally a worthy cause :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I think the call to calm down and think before you post and the other ones you gave are very good and timely, Robert, and I hope they help. The link-bait-incitement article that prompted it I haven't read and neither will I. I have grown weary with people stirring things up just to get attention.
- WorldofHiglet
Paul click twice on the time stamp to get a window with just that.
- Robert Scoble
Clark, it's like "professional" wrestling. fixed outcomes, mock combat, web 2.0 version of a carny sideshow. "SEE Stone Cold Leo Laporte blow his top! SEE Arrington call Scoble a mob instigator!" fake punches and elastic floors and people shouting STFU one week, only to kiss and make up the next. i'm just disappointed to see Scoble participating.
- Karim
@Clark @Robert the fact that TC is linked anyway makes no difference, IMO. If you don't change how you act, don't be surprised when things don't change. It's the voting analogy -- "my vote isn't enough to make a difference". Hardly. Votes are what makes the difference. I don't cast my vote for a popular politician just because I know "he'll get plenty of votes anyway". Even if he wins, I don't have to support it. And linking is even more important, b/c it's public. It's YOUR assertion of influence.
- Ken Kennedy
:: sigh :: When people fight on the internet, both sides lose. Internet mobs are just people who never got past the middle school clique thing or the high school "live and breathe drama" thing. Their immaturity is obvious and they are a bore to everyone except themselves.
- Miss Elle
Miss Elle: when you rely on page views for your business model (I don't) then you quickly learn that using these techniques gets you major page views. You might be above it all but most humans aren't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - thank you for posting your list of how to deal with MobFeed and mobs - this is the type of service that is a benefit to the Internet community
- Kathleen Forden
Well put, Robert. Appreciate your thoughts as always.
- Bill Kinney
Late to the thread, but as far as "front of the mob" is concerned I'd go and watch "Milk" again and see how he manages to use mobs to his advantage. (full disclosure: the subject of the film was a cousin on my father's side). On a less serious note -- I'm interested in how to determine which grains of basmati are 'bad.' I thought all were equally delicious...especially with saffron...
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: the bad ones have a dirty look. Blackened on one side.
- Robert Scoble
Ah! The things I can learn from FriendFeed. (shocking that I own -- and use -- a rice cooker, no?)
- Andrew Feinberg
IMHO, online mobs are nothing new. While they're not exactly analogous to flamewars, maybe there's something to be gleaned from what Shirky wrote about the latter: http://www.shirky.com/writing...
- Ryan McCormack
Funny someone mentioned wrestling above. Sort of reminds me of the kayfabe plotlines on WWE. Gotta admit the commentary's getting interesting. So, Robert, how do you outdo an article comparing syphillus and Friendfeed?
- George Hall (Australia)
Actually I'll answer my own question. One could write an article comparing Twitter to pelvic inflamatory disease...which it sort of seems like when you get a day or two of spam bots anyway.
- George Hall (Australia)
Hey, anyone want to see Robert versus Arrington on Raw or Smackdown?
- George Hall (Australia)
I do this as my gift. I spend thousands of dollars doing my photography, but feel it's important to give them away because this industry gives me so much.
- Robert Scoble
Credit too goes to my employer, right now Rackspace, but previously Microsoft, Podtech, Fast Company, because they subsidize my efforts here.
- Robert Scoble
That's a very 'Scoble-like' thing to do. Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
Wish Scott Bourne did the same, he is a real tight-bastard when it comes to his photographs.
- David Lloyd
I'd say that is a very Google like thing to do. Now if we only knew what your secret sauce was... :-)
- Ivan Stegic
Ivan: Yeah, but if it had been Google, the pictures would all be in beta!! :)
- Jim Connolly
Wow! So will you ever give your equipment away for free too?
- Andrew Acomb
Andrew: nope. Keep in mind that almost none of my photos have been processed. 60% of the beauty of Ansel Adams photos was done in the darkroom so you can, indeed, consider my work "beta."
- Robert Scoble
You shall be henceforth known as "Noble Scoble" in my books ;). Seriously, thanks for your generosity.
- Colin Clarke
Is there a link to your photos? I'd love to check them out!!
- Brian J. Reeves
I don't really know that your shots need much processing. You have good equipment, so things are always razor-sharp, but you also have a natural eye for composition. Plus, you tend toward the editorial mode of expression. In fact, irrespective of who's paying your way, I could make the case that you're a journalist - as much an honest evaluator as Mike Arrington or Dave or Louis. So...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
All I gotta say is OHRAH Scoble! I'm in the Navy and its good to see the Navy getting all the great support. :)
- Colide81 (James)
from fftogo
James: when great organizations open up their greatness is revealed. I'm glad I had this opportunity.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I went out on a similar trip to yours about 10 years ago - USS Constellation CV-64 - now retired. A former captain of the Connie took us out - we got the red carpet treatment! He commanded the Connie at Yankee Station during the Vietnam War - from January 1966 - December 1966. I'll never forget the COD landing - and departure - and the night landings out by the "meatball". Like you, I came away with a new found respect for all on-board. An amazing experience! Fly Navy Jets!
- Scott Loftesness
Scott: one of the people who was touring with us was a former F-18 pilot who flew on the Constellation. He had lots of stories and added a lot to the tour.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: This is truly a great thing, and this thread clearly shows just how much your efforts are appreciated.....Well done mate!
- Clifford Kennedy
Robert: That's great to know. You do great work in that regard, and its good to see how much you give back to the people who appreciate your work. I've know a few great bands who did things like this, and I have to say, they were (are) some of the best marketers ever. Nice Job. :-) Thanks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
It would be nice if Flickr actually allowed you to put them into the public domain. Why Flickr does not have a public domain option by the way: http://www.flickr.com/help...
- Thomas Hawk
Robert, I used one of your photos that you took at TechCrunch HQ for a blog post I did (I didn't ask you though). Just though I might let you know, and that I really appreciate that you're doing this :-)
- Michael Forian
Robert: Wish I had time to take one of your pics to create a motivation poster out of it. Slap a big GENEROSITY title followed by "Giving away all your images for free"
- Mark Essel
That's indeed very generous of you, Robert. I wonder, though, if you've had any problems regarding people's rights to pictures of themselves. I don't know the legal situation in the US but at least in many parts of Europe people have considerable rights to their pictures when they are being photographed. I could imagine problems if you as the photographer put a photo in the public...
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- Ole Begemann
The only photos I don't let everyone have are one's in newspapers, magazines, clients websites... it's a contractual thing. Then again - they don't belong to me either - even though I took them. Oh, one more thing: I'm not a professional photographer - so it's not like anyone wants my photos other than to share a picture of themselves! *giggle* Feel free to take, use, abuse, and enjoy any of my photos here, on Facebook, Twitter, etc.
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: I even give my photos to the newspapers. My photos of John Edwards with his mistress could have sold and brought me some nice change, but I gave them to them too. That photo has been on TV dozens of times. Ole: in America you are allowed to use photos of people you take in public for non commercial reasons. So, if someone wanted to use these photos in an ad they would need to...
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- Robert Scoble
You and your crazy get-rich-quick schemes, Rob!
- David Lloyd
Robert, I try to do the same, assuming they are here, but FriendFeed is not yet the superset. I also tend to share them in Google Reader when possible.
- Louis Gray
Plus sometimes you strike up conversations with the bloggers, freely sharing ideas and explaining. That impressed me way back when...
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
That's a fantastic idea. Think I'll start doing it.
- Paul Balcerak
Yes, Mary. It always makes sense to make comments and engage with those discussing your content, if you have the time.
- Louis Gray
Nice. Encourage people to link to you by linking to them in return. Not a new concept but definitely an innovative way of doing it.
- Mark Bockenstedt
Great idea Louis. You have become my social media constant, I have to hang on to you so I don't get LOST.
- Matthew
new strategy: link to louis in every single blog post... muwahahahaha
- andy brudtkuhl
I used to do this a lot but then he got me all caught up in this 'new adopter' stuff and I couldn't get anything done (Louis rocks :)
- Charlie Anzman
those that link to vertical slice I tend to thank, I'll even come to them and offer to involve them in the show production at times by offering to involve their articles or creations. Sadly there's only one guy that does post some episodes to his blog that I'm aware of.
- alphaxion
Louis, what discovery tool do you use to find those linking to you? Google Alerts?
- Rick Bucich
PS - that question goes out to everyone else as well. I love the idea and use it to a degree but never in a systemic way. Do you think http://delicious.com is the ideal platform?
- Rick Bucich
I got really excited when I noticed a link from louismg in delicious. I wondered why, as I don't write about anything social networking related. When I figured it out I started doing the same thing: _both_ sites which linked to me have some shiny delicious.com love from me. Heh.
- DGentry
i make cupcakes for each link and mail them to each person
- Allen Stern
I so never got my cupcakes! Maybe you should email 'em Allen ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'll link to them if I really like their blog, otherwise I stumble a post
- Kate
Yeah your tags are ... how do you say... scattered :(
- Bwana ☠
aye, looks like you struck into the problem I did - you can't have multiple word tags unless you take out the space and bunch it into a single word. Not even quotes works
- alphaxion
Great strategy Louis, I am going to start doing a similar thing at http://delicious.com/garinki... only I am going to tag the Blog with whatever category it belongs to instead of "coverage"
- Garin Kilpatrick
Sounds like a plan to me! Will start implementing today!
- Mike Paul
So that's why one of my posts got a tweet from Louis Gray! That puzzled me a lot. Only now that I remember that I've linked to Louis in that post. Sweet! Nice touch. ",)
- jan geronimo
I do something similar. When I notice incoming links, I share them in Google Reader. This ends up on Friendfeed, of course, and gets shared with the few folks who follow my GR. I have a sidebar feature on my personal blog set to pick up the gReader bookmarks and parse them as HTML, which Google indexes. Finally, I pipe my gReader shares to Twitter via Twitterfeed.
- Chris Baskind
Help! What about posting to SU vs. Delicious? i don't want to submit 2 things to my feed....ideas? should i just use delicious?
- Lawton Chiles
Lawton: I have accounts with SU and delicious but recommend using delicious because I find it more efficient, especially when used with the Firefox plugin.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Revisiting this old thread because it's so useful.
- Rick Bucich
Really neat social website service that I got a demo of at Gnomedex. Funny that Chris Pirillo jumped in toward the end too.
- Robert Scoble
I am still concerned that their pricing structure for pulling their ads is out of line. However, overall the format being shown on your video was a much better looking platform. Thanks for the heads up...I'll shoot this one over to my IT group to take a look at for my company's projects.
- Scot Duke
I would be interested if there were a way to add custom profile attributes for the groups you create. I've been looking for a replacement for a custom group site I built but there are fields of data I would need to collect/maintain about the members. Without that customization I can't really use CollectiveX though it seems to have everything else we would need.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Probably my favourite book so far this year. Now reading Peter Block's "Community", which may give it a run for its money.
- Michael Nielsen
Sounds like a good book. And there's a Kindle edition! (Inexplicably, the Kindle version is $15, while the paperback is only $10. *sigh*
- Josh Bancroft
Heck, I'd ask for more followers (I would probably be about 500th or lower), but then Scoble would block me ;)
- Vince DeGeorge
I am reported as having 662 but FF tells me I have 952. Seems like a higher than normal margin. If I understand it, those folks are either private or lurkers?
- Christopher Sacca
Nuts that I made this list ... good stuff :)
- Nick O'Neill
a nice list of enemies that must be destroyed. :) just kidding "I'm not here to make friends!"
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
@Sacca, the author's said that they can only crawl active accounts that have published activity. There are likely _a ton_ of accounts that were created, following you for example, that weren't picked up due to inactivity. Mine was off by 25-30% as well. And if you think about it... even the most popular activities here just graze 100 likes or comments, not 2000, so there are a lot of people who don't participate.
- Louis Gray
I'm with Chris, I'm being underreported, private ones?
- MG Siegler
I have 63. I thought I would have made the list.
- Rob Williams
This should be fun to explore new users.
- Mark Krynsky
Darn, just missed. 5 minutes late, that should be my motto.
- Phil G
it's pretty interesting to me, actually, that for being as tiny, tech focused and A-list driven as people say FF is - nobody's got more than 20% of users following them and only 7 people have more than 7% of users following them. That makes me think things are more diverse around here than I thought. No?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
@Marshall The truth is, small blogs have a bigger voice here than any other social service.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@kriskrug then I must be a Sucka Playboy! Dont get how I could've make this list, but its a nice bday surpise anyway.
- Schlomo Rabinowitz
Looking at a graph of the top 50 users, the Default Nine effect isn't all that pronounced. The distribution of users looks pretty much like the sort of thing you get when you do any graph of this sort (i.e. a classic long tail) http://kshep.posterous.com/graph-o...
- Ken Sheppardson
i'm yearning for the day that the top 5 are non-techies...that will be a great day for Friendfeed!
- Pokai
I especiallylike Pokai's comment—I'll be happiest when the top users are diverse people, not just "techies."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
The list reports my followers at 255, FF shows me closer to 355, but still cool to be on the list at 209 even if I feel I'm not as active on FF as many, many others, guess I'm still relatively active...
- Shannon Clark
If my stats were reported correctly, I would appear in the top 100 - woo hoo!!
- Susan Beebe
If they published a list of the top 75,000, I'd totally make it. ;)
- Wes Justice
Alas, I've not hit the top 250... ;-)
- Mark Dykeman
this list isn't as useful as a list of top n most interesting people (the people with the most "likes" or top n users with the most comments.)
- Alan Le
I like Alan's idea. That would be fun to know.
- Yolanda
better question: why do you all want to know that stuff? would being a most interesting person on friendfeed be a fulfilling feeling? seems like it wouldn't...
- Jeremy Toeman
seems I am popular - have 292 subs :)
- Mrinal Desai
I had to stop watching after 40 seconds...But I liked it!
- dbush
I'm here for Brett, Tila, Flav, and to win the next big american top apprentice model chef amazing race for elle woods rock of flav shot.. Oh wait, this is not the place for that? OK. I am heading back to myspace.
- Andrea Baker
Crosspost: I am going to set this up to project on my ceiling every morning when I wake up.
- Rob Sterling
This is what's wrong with people. Most are selfish and don't care what others think. Not good.
- Shayna
That is what is wrong with today's society, nobody wants to be friends
- Richard Lee
Cant we all just get along and be friends?
- Dave Peck
Jason Calacanis, Michael Arrigton, Robert Scoble, Kevin Rose, We do not need Friends We Came to Win! Just follow us for Business!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'd love to get a Prius if it wasn't so dorkus malorkus, but I have some some reasonable attempts of pimpage. I can deal with solar pimpage and it might make me get a car that's not black for a change (i dunno how black coordinates with solar panels). Sue me, I'm a designer.
- Eric Rice
dorkus malorkus, I just might change my online name to that! :-)
- Dread Pirate PJ