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Help me with a blog post? Go here and tell me the non-Google apps with access to Gmail or "Full Account Access": https://t.co/mAD0ARTA
just 2 - boomerang for gmail and swiftkey X
- Karl Rosaen
Picasa is the only one I have with full account / gmail access.
- Amit Patel
feedly
- Roberto Bonini
I don't have any. I am unhelpful.
- Larry Hosken
reddit is offline in protest of PROTECT IP and SOPA - http://www.reddit.com/
"submitted by reddit to blog."
- Karl Rosaen
Anil Dash on the triumph of the animated GIF - http://dashes.com/anil...
Amit Patel liked this
the Internet's native art form
- Andy Baio
crashes chrome every time (mac, beta channel v13)
- Karl Rosaen
Prediction: Spotify's U.S. launch is going to destroy digital album sales. The celestial jukebox makes downloading, legal or not, feel dumb.
Why not use rdio today?
- Karl Rosaen
from Android
ah cool, yes I'm surprised @rdio hasn't destroyed digital album sales already :)
- Karl Rosaen
krosaen on Is there some sort of website that lists the production/sourcing practices of food companies, to simplify doing research on the food I buy? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"http://www.realtimefarms.com is making good steps in that direction, really cool visualization of sourcing of restaurants e.g http://www.realtimefarms.com/whereto..."
- Karl Rosaen
Weird Al Yankovic's battle with Lady Gaga - http://alyankovic.wordpress.com/the-gag...
Rob Michael (Atmos Trio) and Stephen Mack #TeamMomo liked this
though he's not legally required to get consent, his personal policy backfired this time
- Andy Baio
I like that he went ahead and released the song on YouTube anyway (http://www.youtube.com/watch...).
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I wonder if this is a clever stunt to use the Streisand Effect to generate more publicity and then release the video anyways... will be interesting to see
- Karl Rosaen
Visualize your LinkedIn network with InMaps - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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cool but so annoying you have to have 75% profile completeness to try it out
- Karl Rosaen
RT @zachleat: "Professional Front End Engineering" by @natekoechley http://video.yahoo.com/watch... Legendary. He shaped a lot of what's taken for granted today.
just recommended that to my friend yesterday, great vid
- Karl Rosaen
RT @suathletics: Here is the link to Stanford's Bowl Central page - http://www.gostanford.com/bowlcen... where you may order tickets beginning at 9am PT!
Newscloud liked this
enjoy Harbaugh while he's around, I hope he's coming home to Michigan next season!
- Karl Rosaen
The Cloud OS - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2010...
testbeta, Philipp Lenssen, Shakeel Mahate and 35 other people liked this
(removed minor issue)
- DGentry
Fixed. Thanks.
- Paul Buchheit
Maybe service OS might fit better? Services are being composed together. Cloud OS already has the notion of running a cloud inside a datacenter or across datacenters. Though that's just a nit, I agree with the larger points.
- Todd Hoff
Great post, Paul. There's a slight aesthetic issue with having different UI for apps and browser tabs. The typical window managers couldn't accommodate heavy web browsing. Chromium breaks down with too many tabs (although side tabs could change this. There's also an extension for searching open tabs.) And the stock Android experience for app and browser window switching is less than ideal. Heh, I should take a crack at this since I'm so opinionated.
- Vezquex
from Android
After reading your blog, I thought of a great slogan. "The network is the computer." I'm pretty sure that one hasn't been taken yet :)
- Rob Hoeting
Yeah, Sun was right about the big picture, but couldn't translate that into products worth buying.
- Paul Buchheit
We used a heck a lot of Sun's diskless workstations. Worked nicely, even with the anemic networking of the time. Just too early on the whole portable device thing.
- Todd Hoff
"Once Android has all the benefits of ChromeOS, the most obvious difference will be that ChromeOS lacks the thousands of native apps which are popular on Android. Android apps are closer to web apps than Windows apps in terms of security and manageability, so eliminating them doesn't seem like much of an advantage for ChromeOS." Nicely put. Here's to hoping that Android makes web apps as powerful and integrated as possible so the only reason to go native is for things like video uploading and games.
- Karl Rosaen
Might help to think of devices as memes -- Chrome OS as part of the cloud OS meme cannot die but only help evolution. Having a cloud OS as a mere theoretical concept versus actually playing around with one is the difference between reading a book on color theory versus actually sinking your paint brush into oil colors and putting them down on the canvas. As a web developer playing...
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- Philipp Lenssen
You may be right Philipp. It could serve its purpose even if it never finds commercial success on its own.
- Paul Buchheit
Video: Dreamcast Emulation Coming To Android - http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010...
the day I can play powerstone on my android phone will be a good day
- Karl Rosaen
Prediction: ChromeOS will be killed next year (or "merged" with Android)
birhan yel, Странный случай в космосе, Stefano Ṣ (non ci sono) and 88 other people liked this
Sure! iPad changed the game
- Guy Vander Heyden
maybe it would stay and grow like android did ipad is nowhere near chrome OS notebooks
- testbeta
Why? Couldn't ChromeOS and Android become the equivalents to Apple's Mac OS and iOS?
- Pablo Melchor
ChromeOS feels structurally cleaner, more futuristic. I mean, it's so... thin!
- Toph Tucker
Because ChromeOS has no purpose that isn't better served by Android (perhaps with a few mods to support a non-touch display).
- Paul Buchheit
also predicted: bear sh!ts in woods. even eric schmidt has said publicly that chromeOS was a side-bet against its own android. as for Mac OS and iOS, eventually we'll see a unified iOS on those, too.
- Patrick Keys
Yeah, I was thinking, "is this too obvious to even state?", but then I see people taking ChromeOS seriously, and Google is even shipping devices for some reason.
- Paul Buchheit
If Google were to take the "activity model" of Android and add it to Chrome as a way for different apps to interact/share data than from a developer perpective, there is not much value in using a proprietary Android dev model versus using HTML5++ (unless may be for games). So from a developer/programming model, Google would be better off killing Android - Chrome/ChromeOS is a better WebOS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
ChromeOS = 1 Laptop Per Child / dumb terminals. If that works, then yes. If it sucks, then your OP is correct
- Johnny
That or like the dream of a lot of Apple users (iOS sitting on OSX so you can select either), ChromeOS could be the browser-based corporate solution for road warriors on the Android system.
- Johnny
If it has no purpose, then why does it have competition? It's true competition is from MeeGo/ JoliCloud/ Win-7 Basic/ Ubuntu. Its undoing could be Intel Atom vs. Dual Core ARM Cortex A9. So currently the purpose is to be the the Android equivalent for x86 machines.
- Umang Saini
Hah, TechCrunch has already picked up this prediction: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Bruce Lewis
I think that a lot of people are seeing the browser as the one and only future app platform, and given that, I think that Google is hoping the need for native apps will simply go away. They're in the position to influence that through Chrome (the browser). Chrome has been built to speed up overall market innovation. On the app side, they make sure that all "basics" can be done on the...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel...
- FullSite
In the end, Google might not even care that much whether people use Chrome OS or not. Just like Amazon doesn't care if you use the Kindle (the hardware). Google just wants to be the full-service middle-man in your overall "computing" experience, just like Amazon wants to be the middle-man for books (or reading). But like Amazon ensures there's a superior end-user experience for their...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel - Good one alex
- PXLated
That the "simplified" user experience is qualitatively different than the "regular" or "traditional" user experience is a common mistake developer-in-a-bubble organizations make. It really is a matter of degree, not quality: there's no reason why, with minor modifications to the interface, certain devices couldn't just boot up Android's browser by default and give the same benefits...
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- Mark Trapp
To be honest, Chrome OS sounds more like the product Google wants rather than the product that's actually successful (Android), and that alone is its raison d'être.
- Mark Trapp
like friendfeed last year
- Ibrahim Ozturkcan
Whether they are merged or not, I am happy, as a consumer, that Google has taken the pains to put out two champion products - Android rocks (on the phone) and Chrome the browser rocks (can't talk about the OS since I don't have access to it yet). From the UX perspective, if they could make the COS work on tablets, it would be a bigger win than Android running on tablets.
- Suresh R Iyer
well, numbers will decide ;-) => millions of smartphones +tablets
- JacopoGio
Possible Google Strategy:- Own-up Java with Android, Own-up Linux further with Chrome OS.
- Vinod
If this is the Sun terminal revistited, then there is no reason to keep it around. I want my free laptop before it's all over though.
- Eric - Too Hot
Having used the closest (refined) product out there to it, Jolicloud, I have to say it's (VERY) fast, highly addictive...and actually a time saver for me. Agree the 'merger' is likely but Linux still has a huge base of developers that don't cost Google a dime. Think a better question (any predictions?) might be ... What's going to happen to Firefox? (and the huge Google infusion that goes along with it).
- Charlie Anzman
Mark - Yes, probably because it's Schmidt's long running wet dream, the network computer.
- PXLated
ChromeOS is little late.
- Ashish
Chrome OS greatest achievement is bringing full web browser to ARM Processors, so we can have $99 ARM Powered laptops soon. Sure it would probably be possible to add Android functionality to Chrome OS (an extra icon in the task bar) and vice-versa add a Chrome browser icon in Android as well. The main thing is the web browser needs to be optimized for embedded Linux devices that are ARM Powered.
- Charbax
mind sharing a prediction as to when they kill friendfeed?
- анштопабл
I think it'll kickstart HTML5 if anything. I don't think it'll outright die though. There will be a use for secure terminals and kiosks. For normal consumers, a cheaper netbook that only browses the web without really worrying about the OS is appealing.
- Rodfather
If I'm hearing Meryn correctly, I like the idea that Chrome could push things away from app-happy land and back into browser land. I think apps are kind of a novelty that needs to eventually go away or, at least, be reined in. I hate apps that don't do anything different than what a browser can do.
- Laura Norvig
hi paul, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about your opinion for wired.it, may I have your contact by private message?
- Silvio Gulizia
ChromeOS to Android - Yes. Browser based OS in the mainstream long past overdue and really a reality today with Windows - just track my wife's usage. I could though plop a well configured ChromeOS notebook or tablet down in front of her and she wouldn't lose a beat and nor would probably about 75% of her world(friends, family, etc) and we geeks would love not to have to deal with more...
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- Brad Nickel
Laura, I think ChromeOS apps will push sites to go toward 'app-happy land' in the beginning. The current site will be the standard website where everything will work. Then an app-like site using HTML5 to prep for the mobile app. A UI that would work well with the common denominator of mobile devices, the browser.
- Rodfather
Charbax - Go to Walgreens(if in US) and you can buy a $99 ARM based Windows CE device by Sylvania today. It probably sucks, but they have em.
- Brad Nickel
What about Linux? Any predictions there? Figured I'd ask while everyone is feeling "predictive". Was an Ubuntu mention, but it seems like the Linux conversation has been muted lately.
- Liza + = ?
I would prefer Android to merged with ChromeOS, not the other way round
- Ian
I hope so!
- Naceron
Spanish leading newspaper El Pais has also picked this prediction:) http://www.elpais.com/articul...
- Gabriel Aldamiz-echevarri
@Paul Buchheit (TeamFrank), what you're failing to see is that Web 3.0 is the world trend now, is not something google suddenly invented. Also, the Chrome Web app store will be the one who defines if cOS is successful or not, just like in android. I think google has learned lots in this area, thanks to androids app marketplace. and remember even if you like it or not, web apps will...
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- manny
@Liza hollers, actually chromeOS is based on linux (i think ubuntu). So all progress made either way the other one will benefit from. Specially on the Kernel and web technologies.
- manny
Manny - didn't know that it was based on ubuntu. I love being called @liza hollers:)
- Liza + = ?
Great, now Slashdot even has a link to this thread: http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
- Gabe
And I predict: You would have stayed at Google if you got it ;)
- HateBadDesign
I predict: you're just bitter about anything Google does at this point because Friendfeed has been such a colossal failure.
- xxdesmus
Wow, slashdot is still around? Is that where the crazy haters are coming from?
- Paul Buchheit
I am not really sure why there are two operating systems from Google in the first place. Has anybody supplied a rational explanation for the duplication of effort? Is this likely to be a costly mistake for Google?
- Brian Sullivan
the best combo would be for the android browser to continue to import features from chrome, including the ability to install a web app on an android device, have its icon show up in the apps list, etc.
- Karl Rosaen
any predictions on Yahoo? After their announcement about delicious I'm in the mood to hear a hideous and nasty prognosis.
- JSLeFanu
Yahoo is already dead :)
- Paul Buchheit
You mean tonight's.
- Micah
Spotted this on Slashdot by an anonymous source. Silly birds.
- Liza + = ?
"Yahoo: Where startups go to die."
- Gabe
Karl: I'm sure somebody will point you to this, sooner or later: http://android.git.kernel.org/...
- Marcos Marado
So everything in android runs on a java virtual machine, which in turn runs on linux. Chrome has a blazing fast conscript engine and it to runs on a modified linux. Chrome must also have a basic jvm to support java applets in the web. So realistically all we need is google to as the android jvm backbone into chrome os! Then we get super efficient chrome is baseline that can launch any...
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- Sean
from Android
10 days left to kill or merge!
- Jérôme
it's still on amazon's best sellers list
- 落后青年李三海
Gingerbread (Android 2.3) SDK is out! Here's what I've been doing since Froyo came out... StrictMode: http://developer.android.com/referen...
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way to bust those ANRs!!
- Karl Rosaen
I like reading other people describe js code patterns, because their narration always sheds some new light: http://www.pheedcontent.com/click...
"javascript the good parts" talks about this too
- Karl Rosaen
"You look like shit." http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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funny how many of those Bruce Willis is in
- Karl Rosaen
#idrankthis ABC's Mackinac Island Fudge Stout http://twitpic.com/2wuw75
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how was it?
- Karl Rosaen
Big golf cap to @google for fully committing in their best mobile video. (Did you see the hot dog or the back rub?) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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haha, someone commented, "Watching this entire 10 minutes somehow redeems the time it took for me to learn and abandon Wave. Thank you Google, we're cool again."
- Karl Rosaen
Google Making Extraordinary Counteroffers To Stop Flow Of Employees To Facebook - http://techcrunch.com/2010...
Jesper Lind, Jason A. Samfield, gozde alkan and 85 other people liked this
"One recent Googler, we’ve confirmed, was recently offered a counter offer he couldn’t refuse (except he did). He was offered a 15% raise on his $150,000 mid level developer salary, quadruple the stock benefits and…wait for it…a $500,000 cash bonus to stay for a year. He took the Facebook offer anyway."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Google can hire me any day.....
- Roberto Bonini
Yes, it is. Many people at Google use Facebook offers in order to get a big raise.
- Paul Buchheit
It's the same story here in Italy, but for players of soccer...
- @zaps
and a big number of ex-Googlers transferred to Facebook.
- Ozgur Demir
It's no different than what MSFT and Yahoo! employees did in that past. At these time the destination was Google. The important metric would be their persistency in their next destination (if they made the switch) or the mean time between their "i'm leaving" bluffs.
- Berk D. Demir
seek no persistency Berk... that flow is consistent.
- Ozgur Demir
There's no way 150k is a mid level salary (without bonus). I looked at the disclosures for 2008 Google supported H-1B visas and 120k is the highest just 2 years ago.
- Doug Brooks
Doug, $150k is not uncommon for an experienced engineer in SV.
- Paul Buchheit
I think that the story is basically true, but that the numbers are somewhat exaggerated (or misinterpreted by TechCrunch), especially the $500k cash bonus.
- Tudor Bosman
I have some real numbers from recent such events, and while it's not cash, the number of GSUs being handed out are pretty astonishing. There's a serious bidding war going on.
- Piaw Na
You'd think Google could figure out the reasons people want to switch and use the money to fix the discrepancy. If you pay someone half a million dollars to stay for a year, they'll only stay for a year (and probably not be as productive in the interim).
- Kevin Fox
And I thought I did good with my 1 year stay bonus :P
- Juan Pablo González
interesting, I thought the conventional advice was to never take counter offers for fear they will just drop you at a more opportune time, but maybe if they're offering up that kind of cash, they are genuinely interested in keeping, not just blocking the exit of, the employees. also, funny how this is the exact opposite of the zappos pay people to leave approach http://blogs.hbr.org/taylor...
- Karl Rosaen
Unbelievable...
- Jonathan Beckett
"if you get 1/10 of 1%, that’s $100 million in stock." Uhh... There are only so many percents to go around...
- Brian Johns
@Kevin: Google is not stupid. They don't hand out cash. Retention packages are all in GSUs that vest over 4 years. Now, one statistic that I heard is that even people who receive the massive packages on average only stay for 2 years.
- Piaw Na
wowowowow amazing #braindrain
- Susan Beebe
Just realized that a "mid level developer" at Google makes MUCH more than a "high level program manager" at a multi-billion dollar international. Wild guess that FB would have no interest in making me an offer (and that my company would laugh at me if I presented a FB offer to them expecting a counter). Ah, Silly Valley, you're still silly!
- Ryan Kaisoglus
I still call bs. I'm in silicon valley too :) Here's some H-1B data to support my skepticism. http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseRes... BTW I'm not saying that engineers aren't making this, just that it's not the mid/entry level guys.
- Doug Brooks
Google isn't the only company being poached from by FB.
- Mr. Gunn
Doug, there are several ex-Googlers commenting here, and none appear to disagree enough with the reported salary to point it out. Besides, the report said "mid-level" (not "entry level") which covers a wide range. There are some (non-senior staff) software engineers on your list that earn comparable amounts: e.g.: I-07330-3751869 147,000; I-08023-3822031 140,000; I-07352-3779209 139,000.
- Simon
I wonder if Google HR is desperate or trying to bluff Facebook into overpaying for folks.
- John Piscitello
That would be a very expensive bluff.
- Tudor Bosman
It's amusing that there is so much disbelief in these comments.
- Paul Buchheit
hockey curve?
- A. T.
@lelapin Well, all those underpaid brilliant engineers better start coming out of the woodwork. :-)
- Piaw Na
Perhaps instead of Big Money, Google should be offering increased autonomy and more chances to change the world. From the outside, and far away, I'd suspect the project coolness factor may matter as much as the bigger payout.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
A.T, here's a graph showing a hockey stick pattern: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/article... (it's a tough subject to google because you get flooded with ice hockey or climate controversy results)
- Micah
Also... and this is Monday morning quarterbacking, I realize that... Google should've put a hole or two in the scams FB used to rely a lot on for revenue. With a multi-pronged approach: technical and PR and political lobbying. (obviously it wouldn't have been framed as anti-FB, but pro-user, anti-scam.)
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
Andrew C: Google already offers plenty of autonomy and chances to change the world. The people who are leaving/getting massive retention packages aren't leaving because FB changes the world more. Many of them wanted to leave because they were consistently under-valued at Google.
- Piaw Na
TechCrunched: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Louis Gray
With all that talent, I wish FB deployed even a tiny portion of it to maintain Friendfeed
- Paola Bonomo
Why do people think 150k is over the top? $150k would be high here (Australia), but not crazy-high, and we don't have as much competition. If you include contract engineers I know quite a few people making that pretty easily. +15% + 4x stock benefits + 500K is nice though!
- Nick Lothian
Nick, I don't think $150k is over the top for Google. I think that $150k plus all the variable comp is over the top. Further, I think that outside of the small world of Google, FB, Twitter, etc, $150k for a mid-level developer is very high. Point of comparison: I work for a Fortune 5 company that also happens to be one of the 15 largest producers of software in the world (though...
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- Ryan Kaisoglus
@Ryan: http://seek.com.au/jobsear... - that's the java job market for Australia. Over 1200 jobs paying over $120K (multiple that by 1.1 to convert to US $) - and that's only including jobs where they advertise the pay. Edit: It's actually a lot more than that - a lot of the ads are for multiple positions (eg: we require 11 developers)
- Nick Lothian
Email overload? Try Priority Inbox - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010...
looking forward to this
- Karl Rosaen
Unsuck It - http://unsuck-it.com/
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translate obnoxious business jargon back to non-douchey English
- Andy Baio
Interesting site. The first metaphor I saw them suggest was "low-hanging fruit", though I actually thinks that's a nice, non-technical picture that can help explain stuff. (They suggest to use "easy goal" instead, but perhaps that's not quite the same thing.)
- Philipp Lenssen
I put in "synergize the paradigm shift" but nothing yet
- Karl Rosaen
OpenTable Affiliate Information - http://support.opentable.com/cgi-bin...
"OpenTable has hundreds of affiliates, many generating less than 100 reservations per month. This minimum is in place to keep the administrative costs down while enabling consistent performers to benefit from delivering users to our site."
- Karl Rosaen
from Bookmarklet
wow, *100s*, hope it's not too rough on you guys
- Karl Rosaen
Real Time Farms - http://www.realtimefarms.com/farms
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Holy cow! I had no idea there were so many farms in the area. http://www.realtimefarms.com/farms #annarbor
- Patricia F. Anderson
check out the markets too http://www.realtimefarms.com/ann-arb..., you can find a market nearby everyday except Monday!
- Karl Rosaen
Yes, that's wonderful, too. Unfortunately, I don't have a car, so "Buy Local", means REALLY local!!!
- Patricia F. Anderson
issue 60 (Ball collison only works properly for "head on" collisions) reported by chlindell - http://code.google.com/p...
heh someone filed a bug for d&c
- Karl Rosaen
Tips for Noogler Engineers - http://piaw.blogspot.com/2010...
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what's the reaction from inside GOOG to this post?
- Rob Shillingsburg
Wow.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
Very true, but you should add a big disclaimer that engineers who internalize this are much less likely to succeed in a startup.
- Private Sanjeev
I did a ton of interviewing, mentoring, project switching and 20% time. And I guess I left when GOOG got huge and now I'm doing a startup.
- Rob Shillingsburg
hmm, perhaps good advice if career advancement is considered the absolute most important thing, but it would be suboptimal for the long term IMO. for instance, avoiding switching projects to get promoted more quickly would be myopic if it lead to a less diverse set of experiences by the time you left google. specifically, I worked on adwords for two years, and then switched to android....
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- Karl Rosaen
Rob: 2 Centi-Threads. :-) And Sanjeev, I agree. I've added the disclaimer.
- Piaw Na
Karl: The best time to switch is right after a promotion. Again, this is a advice for someone assuming they're going to be a lifer. Since it's advice to a Noogler, I really don't think it's appropriate to assume that they'll get pissed off in 3 years and then want to leave. :-)
- Piaw Na
agreed that waiting for promotion before switching is the best bet for maximizing promotions, just pointing out that there are other things to consider optimizing for, even for a lifer. and I wasn't suggesting that folks will leave google pissed off after 3 years (for the record I left with fond memories after 4.5), but I think it is worth considering the overall experience vs the...
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- Karl Rosaen
The thing that strikes me is that there's really no suggestion that the undervaluing of certain work is going to be fixed.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
It's easy to fix. There just needs to be political will at the top to fix it. As long as Google's doing well, there's no reason to rock the boat.
- Piaw Na
That's loser talk! (tangent: I admit, when Apple brought out the iPod mini I was bewildered that a 20% smaller (?) device was going to be a big success for them and I was doubly bewildered when they killed the very successful mini for the Nano, but I was wrong in both cases and improving what wasn't broken turned out to be a great decision both times.)
- Andrew C (✓)
Google hasn't had any trouble with improving products. But internally, a lot of people think that what they have is the best of all worlds. And to be honest, it's hard to dispute their success.
- Piaw Na
How does the non-prestigious but important work continue to get done? Do great people do it against their personal best interests, or does Google rely on a steady stream of newcomers to fill in for disillusioned & under-rewarded employees who leave?
- Andrew C (✓)
I certainly did a lot of that stuff against my own self-interest for quite a few years. For pre-IPO employees, it's definitely not a big deal. I certainly wasn't concerned about promotions (and it showed :-).
- Piaw Na
ana, true enough, and I think it's also the case that it's tough to get one's sense of the entire beast past a certain (fairly small!) size. I was once talking with a co-worker about a remote team we were working with. He and I worked on rather disparate parts of the same project and thus worked with different sets of remote people, so where I thought I was dealing with a band of...
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- Andrew C (✓)
Uneven Google - http://unevengoogle.com/
New design
- Nelson Minar
-webkit-transform: rotate(1deg); -moz-transform: rotate(1deg);
- Karl Rosaen
interesting they don't bother trying progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.BasicImage(rotation... for MSIE
- Karl Rosaen
Man, I knew arbitrary transforms in the browser were good for something!
- Nelson Minar
Every time I have to switch back to CVS I die a little inside.
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Yuck
- Mo Kargas
I threw up in my mouth.
- Matt M (inactive)
Drupal's switch off of CVS to git can't come soon enough.
- Mark Trapp
Even SVN is a shock to the system these days.
- Andrew Perry
We're using Perforce at work. I've seen worse.
- Akiva
Oh. I thought you were talking about switching to the pharmacy and I was going to say, "just use another pharmacy?" but then I saw the comments and nevermind. :(((((((
- Rochelle
Right there with you, Rochelle.
- Yolanda
I haven't used Perforce, but I've used SVN for a while. I vaguely remember when I thought it was awesome.
- Mark Trapp
perforce is definitely the best centralized vcs I've used, but it's still centralized. my personal favorite: mercurial
- Karl Rosaen
Boy howdy I wish browsers had a mode that color-coded the tabs to reflect CPU draw for each one.
Vishy, Adriano, Grant Bierman and 25 other people liked this
Good idea.
- Spidra Webster
Super idea! I feel a plugin/browser extension on the way. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
yes! that, and some indication of which tabs have audio / video
- Karl Rosaen
Smart request, all for it. Tab audio too...
- Majento
Boy howdy, I wish more people would use the term 'Boy howdy'!
- Josh Haley
And how!
- Akiva
Boy howdy! (There you go josh.)
- SAM
That's the spirit, boy howdy!
- Josh Haley
If audio is provided by Flash, the browser can't tell which tab is playing the sound (even in Chrome since it's still a single plugin process across all tabs). However, it would be possible to control this for <audio> and <video>.
- tony chang
Loud Noises! Google Buzz Is A Broken Instrument Capable Of Beautiful Music. http://techcrunch.com/2010...
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Heh - I think you just convinced me to turn off Twitter in Buzz :-)
- Jesse Stay
i actually need to as well jesse. i'm sure people hate it when mine come in just like i hate it when others do. google really just needs to shut the pipeline off completely until it works
- MG Siegler
I agree MG - I'm following too many people now to get any sort of value from it. I probably should have taken a more conservative approach at the beginning. At the same time, I get more value from FriendFeed and Twitter right now so I'm not sure it matters until they can get better filters in place.
- Jesse Stay
Totally agree. Bringing other services into Buzz sucks. Why did they copy FriendFeed's worst features and none of its best ones?
- Robert Scoble
+100 - "Yes, Google Buzz needs a lot of work in my opinion. To be honest, I think they should just finish the job and more completely emulate everything about FriendFeed. FriendFeed was a great service, but once Facebook acquired the team, it became more of a ghost town then some already thought it was. But there still is a need for this type of service in my opinion, and I’m positive that Google Buzz can be it. (That is, unless Facebook, with their secret messaging project, beats them to it.)"
- Ken Sheppardson
"The big knock against FriendFeed was always that it was the coolest service no one was using. Google Buzz can be the FriendFeed that everyone is using." That, along with the mobile component, is what makes buzz promising to me.
- Karl Rosaen
MG - Great post, really hits on some really sad, but obvious fumbles by the Google Buzz product launch. To be frank, I am still shocked at all the holes in that product - so odd, really makes me think 2 possible reasons: 1. Google was in a huge hurry to ship code and/or 2.) they really suck at product innovation when it comes to social platforms. Heck, they could have just copied FF entirely and done way better than they did. Too many obvious holes in the product - seriously reeks of amateur product mgmt.
- Susan Beebe
haha just noticed that you captured on my more funny tweets in that FriendFeed screen capture shot! LOL :D
- Susan Beebe
@MG We do coalesce multiple posts from same person/service... not sure why that didn't work for you... I'll file a bug. I know we're working on improving our Twitter importation.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, IMHO the coalesce is way too confusing! What does it mean? Filters are the solution - lists, "hide". These weird algorithms should all come second (if at all).
- Jesse Stay
Coalescing collapses multiple posts in a row from the same person/service into one chunk so one person can't over take your stream (as MG showed in his screenshot). Coalescing works for everyone and requires no set up. More to come on filters (which require set-up and therefor are used by a minority of users).
- Michael Leggett
"My reasoning for holding off is pretty simple: I was confused. For the first few hours I was sure it was the best thing ever. Then I was certain it was the worst thing ever. The truth, not surprisingly, is likely somewhere in the middle. Google Buzz is a service with a ton of potential, but the execution of it is so bad right now, that’s it’s at points completely unusable."
- RAPatton
Michael, my suggestion - do what FriendFeed does and describe what you're doing then. I have no clue what you're doing when you coalesce. On FriendFeed, when they Coalesce, they simply show a text link below the post saying "x related posts". If there is more activity on any of those related posts, they go back up to the top. FriendFeed already has this mastered - don't be afraid to copy them.
- Jesse Stay
Most of the time when I see FriendFeed "coalesce" posts, it's not multiple items from the same author, it's items from multiple authors that all include the same link. For example, if more than one person shares MG's article, you'll often see just the item from MG, then a link to the related items from LG, Jesse, etc....
- Ken Sheppardson
... I rarely see FF "coalesce" multiple posts from the same author, most likely because they (1) seem to import most items in near(er) real time and (2) sort items by the time they were *create*, rather than the time they were imported. So while FF might import a bunch of Reader shares at the same time, the items weren't actually *shared* at the same time, and they end up mixed in among other items.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Jesse We use the stacked card metaphor that we use everywhere else in Gmail. I agree that spelling it out is preferred. We tried at least 8 other visual ways to show this (most of which said something like "20 more posts from Paul on Twitter") but it competed with the visible post. I'll take another swing at it, but I don't think this ranks high on the list of things to spend eng resources on right now.
- Michael Leggett
We don't coalesce on URL right now.
- Michael Leggett
Michael: But the metaphor's broken. In gmail, you stack items in the same conversation. In buzz, you stack items from the same author. They're usually unrelated. It wouldn't make any sense to stack multiple unrelated emails from the same sender in Gmail, and (to me) it doesn't make sense to stack them in buzz. I might not mind if there were a keyboard shortcut to unstack, but right now stacking's probably in my top 3 most annoying things about buzz.
- Ken Sheppardson
Michael: unrelated to the coalescitude of posts, but related to filtering, any chance the 5 second delay to mute a post while the mute animation resolves itself can be removed? It's hard enough as it is without automatic filters, but to have to wait for posts to hide, especially when you're trying to mute a bunch at the same time, is painful. Related to the coalescitude, and related to...
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- Mark Trapp
+1 Mark. The 5-second delay is another of my top three gripes. Gmail doesn't delay when you archive an item, delete it, or report it as spam... Reader doesn't fade/delay when you mark a post as read. Buzz is being inconsistent among Gmail tools and just plain annoying.
- Ken Sheppardson
BTW, the third of my Top 3 Gripes is the fact that comments from *anybody* bump items in my feed. On FriendFeed I believe items are bumped only when someone I follow comments. Combined with friend-of-a-friend, this gives FF killer discovery features that Buzz can't touch. I might understand bumping when anyone comments on an items where I've been participating, but constantly bumping...
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- Ken Sheppardson
While we're talking about coalescing stacks (a great name for an indie outfit), while it may not be valuable to change the stack metaphor, it'd be helpful to have some sort of stack delineator to know where a stack ends and begins. When you expand a stack in Gmail, it's no problem because you only see one stack at a time. With Buzz, on the other hand, when I expand the stack, the...
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- Mark Trapp
Is there any situation in Gmail where you get a stack where there's no indication whatsoever of what's in the other "cards" in the stack? In every situation I can think of, you at least get a single line of author information, date, and the first part of the message. Adding author, source, and date in a single line on the "hidden" cards in buzz really seems like a no-brainer.
- Ken Sheppardson
OK, sorry to rant, but I've been holding all this in... if we're going to get hung up on Gmail metaphors, how 'bout just giving us the basic gmail view of Buzz? A list of items, with author, service, subject, date info in a single line... then let us mark things as read and archive them just as we do in gmail? Right now looking at Buzz is a bit like looking at one's Gmail inbox with all the messages expanded.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think we scared him off. :-(
- Mark Trapp
Y'all didn't scare me off (yet).
- Michael Leggett
Doh! Can't use enter to add multiple lines in FF.
- Michael Leggett
Yeah, It's like IM or IRC, Michael. "Enter" should "Enter" on Buzz as well. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mute 5 second delay. That is an unintended bug. Filed and being worked on. I hate the delay. I hate even more how much I have to use Mute to make Buzz work for me. The later problem is more important in my eyes.
- Michael Leggett
Awesome, thanks. I agree with you, but I figured the 5 second delay might be a small thing while mitigating the reliance on mute might be a fairly large thing.
- Mark Trapp
Yes - we should still fix the 5 second delay.
- Michael Leggett
Re: Buzz should just copy FriendFeed. I have the utmost respect for the FriendFeed team (I'm a big Kevin Fox fan) and the product. And I imagine most of you have come to enjoy the product it has become as well. We did not seek out to copy FriendFeed and will not start to do so now. Some of the holes in our product are intentional (aww snap... this would be awesome but it is a lot more...
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- Michael Leggett
Always bumping to the top sucks. The team agrees and is working on short term fixes as well as long term awesomeness. Never bumping to the top sucks too as conversations tend to die out b/c they get burred by new content (I know that at least Scoble and Kevin Fox will disagree).
- Michael Leggett
I think there's a difference, Michael, between "copying" FriendFeed and taking of advantage of the fact FriendFeed has found and has had in place for ~2 years elegant solutions to many of the issues that make Buzz difficult to use. In the spirit of "standing on the shoulders of giants" (with props to DeWitt's post the other day), I'd hope the Buzz team can avoid any not-invented-here syndrome or fear of being seen as "copying"
- Ken Sheppardson
Michael, I think you will find a receptive audience here - most of FriendFeed *wants* to find a better service I think. I believe the most important thing for Buzz right now, over any other priority, is getting lists and filters in place. I absolutely can't use Buzz until I have that. I'll provide additional feedback after I have that, as nothing else matters until that happens IMO.
- Jesse Stay
Stacks are rapid consecutive posts from the same person and source. Reader shares probably have nothing to do with one another. There should be a shortcut to unstack. Mute shouldn't kill the entire stack. I'd love to spell out what is coalesced. I'd love to coalesce by other things (e.g. URL). I don't think we'll try to define the beginning / end of the stack once expanded. You can't re-coalesce it and it is just extra UI.
- Michael Leggett
@Ken, yes, when a thread in mail has more than 10 read messages in a row (it might be more) we super-collapse them such that you can't see what is in those cards. Doesn't mean this metaphor / UI is a home run and can't be improved upon. I actually think HTML mode of Gmail has the best UI.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, it's still unclear what those stacks are in the UI though. In FriendFeed, it just tells me what it's doing ("3 related posts", etc). In Buzz I have to guess what that is (I usually just ignore it because I don't know what it is)
- Jesse Stay
But IMO all that's miniscule in priority compared to the usefulness of lists and filters. That stuff should be much lower priority.
- Jesse Stay
Guys... you are getting close to scaring me off. How many ways can I say, (1) this is why it is the way it is (2) I agree with you that it could be better (3) I'll pass it on to the team and (4) i think we have bigger fish to fry and don't expect a fast fix on this issue.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, I don't think we're attacking you - why are you getting scared? This is just feedback from people that have been using a similar, and better service for years now.
- Jesse Stay
Right... I get that. I just feel that I've responded and I'm getting the same feedback over and over.
- Michael Leggett
You don't need to respond, Michael. It's not like we expect you to turn around and check in code or commit to dates or anything. Just acknowledging that you're listing is enough... at least for me. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
And just as an FYI, stacks are always same user/source. It isn't spelled out as it could be. But, now you know.
- Michael Leggett
Yeah, exactly. We just want to know you're listening. This is the first feedback I've ever heard from the Buzz team. Nice to have you over here. It makes me feel a lot better about the service.
- Jesse Stay
"I'm getting the same feedback over and over" You mean the same thing from the same people over and over again? Or the same feedback from everybody? Seems like the latter has some value.
- Ken Sheppardson
I mean, in this thread, I've heard and responded to "but it isn't clear what those stacks are in the UI. FriendFeed tells me. Why can't you do that?" After I responded, others (or maybe the same people) said the same thing. On this thread.
- Michael Leggett
Yeah... as DeWitt said... I think the entire team would love to be engaging more with users (via any medium/service). And I think they will eventually... but they are all totally heads down right now.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, I just wanted to be sure you understood. It sounds like you do.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Honestly, for me list and filters aren't nearly as important as just basic navigability. But then I don't follow hundreds of people, and I've never really taken advantage of lists in Twitter or FriendFeed. I think I'm less the corner-case-social-media-expert user than you are in that respsect :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I think a lot of the problems people complain about on Twitter/FriendFeed/Facebook would be resolved if people knew how to use lists. I think that's a user education issue/Ux issue more than it is lack of usefulness. I taught my Mom how to use lists in Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Michael: I think maybe after you said "I don't think [coalescing] ranks high on the list of things to spend eng resources on right now" maybe some people though they should try to convince you otherwise. ;-) Plus we're just having a convo here. Sorry to be redundant.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yup. Got it Jesse. And no worries Ken. Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Really useful. I'm going to sign off now, but you can always send me feedback via your preferred communication tool. I am on most of them as listed at the bottom of http://leggett.org.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to the feedback in this thread. Two things that really spoiled the FriendFeed community was the FriendFeed-Feedback room, where FriendFeed team members, at least before the Facebook acquisition, would respond within a few hours after someone posted feedback with a fix or some information as to what the thinking was behind a feature;...
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- Mark Trapp
And when you guys are ready for API feedback, Ken and I are the people to come to. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks for letting us vent, Michael :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
And of course, I'll try to keep an eye out for future discussions like this where I can share what in the world the team was thinking / where we're heading (as much as I can).
- Michael Leggett
I agree - thanks for listening Michael. It's a welcome change.
- Jesse Stay
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- Karl Rosaen
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- Karl Rosaen
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