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Plane overshoots Jamaica runway; more than 40 hurt - http://www.breitbart.com/article...

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"KINGSTON, Jamaica (AP) - An American Airlines flight carrying 154 people skidded across a Jamaican runway in heavy rain, bouncing across the tarmac and injuring more than 40 people before it stopped just short of the Caribbean Sea, officials and witnesses said. Panicked passengers screamed and baggage burst from overhead bins as Flight 331 from Miami careened down the runway in the capital, Kingston, on Tuesday night, one passenger said. The impact cracked open the fuselage, crushed the left landing gear and separated both engines from the Boeing 737-800, airline spokesman Tim Smith said." - bob from Bookmarklet

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Looks pretty bad. I wonder why it broke up? - Paul Buchheit

It was one hell of a bumpy ride from the looks of it, Paul. - Alex Scoble

That's one old 737. That's why. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

It has winglets, doesn't seem all that old to me. Planes just aren't designed to land like that one did. - Alex Scoble

I heard on CNN that the passengers were clapping at the smooth landing before the accident. This runway has poor drainage, so the plane's brakes may have been ineffective. The bouncing and damage may have happened after it left the tarmac. I don't know whether the report I heard or this article (citing turbulence) is accurate. Wait for RISKS Digest. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

And the break pattern seems consistent with the nose, fuselang and tail being separate components - Deepak Singh

Roberto: The 737-800 has only been around since 1997, so the plane couldn't be more than 12 years old. - Gabe

So was this a Boing 737? - Gabe

Yes. Its first flight was November 2001 http://aviation-safety.net/databas... - Ken Sheppardson

See http://www.maxtrescott.com/max_tre... for an AFAICT purely speculative suggestion of what may have happened. Anyway the simplest explanation now is that it broke up because it ran off the runway. Why did it run off the runway? Good question. - Daniel Dulitz

Running off the end of an 8700 foot runway takes more than one or two factors... - Daniel Dulitz

Ok not so old then. I wonder what the crash investigation will turn up. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

On CNN a pilot said that this runway lacks grooves for drainage. Hydroplaning and the tailwind are two factors. We'll have to see what other factors were involved. - Bruce Lewis

http://aviation-safety.net/photos... roadside bank looks brutal - Thomas Page

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Tease: The death of PC gaming, the birth of real computing, and what's happening to Microsoft Word - Leo Laporte

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Increasingly computing means connecting to the Internet. - Leo Laporte

Leo, you should see if Paul can drive a stick so he can drive your Mustang to CES. - Hawklu

PC gaming ... Is it dead? Or just dying? Fact: PC gaming represents less than 10 percent of all gaming revenue right now, with consoles at 90 percent. It's not even close. I wrote a bit about this but only compared it to the Xbox 360 It's so much more than that. Piracy, cheating, hardware issues, DRM, and so on are all abysmal on PC But also other consoles (PS3/Wii) and handheld game... more... - Leo Laporte

I'd be really curious what % of PC games sold are FPS... seems like that's the one holdout area. - Ken Sheppardson

90% console? LOL you guys should stop talking about games, seriously. NPD reports do NOT count digital purchases, everyone knows that. Guess where everyone buys PC games.... Steam and D2D. - elfguy

What really drove me off the PC for gaming was constantly dealing with hardware/software incompatibilities. "Oh, sorry you have version 5.3 of SuperQuickOpenDirectGL, you need version 5.*4*... crash" - Ken Sheppardson

OK, ok, so it's not 90%, it's really 85%. Next. - Ken Sheppardson

Madden 2008 was the last PC version, IIRC. I finally had to break down and buy an Xbox to play 2010. - Ken Sheppardson

The FPS keyboard+mouse vs controller argument's a bit like the conversation about physical keyboards on smartphones. Personal preference. - Ken Sheppardson

Here's a Half-Life movie... http://newteevee.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

"Viewed more than 1.5 million times since its YouTube debut last Thursday, Escape from City 17 is one of those rare viral videos that seems destined to launch a breakout success. In the live action indie short, a pair of argumentative rebel soldiers flee from a futuristic, totalitarian city about to blow, beset on all sides by stormtroopers, gunships, and general confusion. It’s set within the world of the best-selling video game Half-Life 2..." - Ken Sheppardson

Sync play Geoff Smith "I'm a Twit" - Andrew Johnson

Microsoft loses Word appeal with i4i Will "fix" Word to remove offending code No worries about Word being taken off the market - Leo Laporte

iPhone is not really the most popular smart phone of 2009 (in US only) (RIM and LG both beat it out) But .. Come on. This is the platform to beat. 2010 is going to be interesting. - Leo Laporte

Love the fact that Paul complains of people not digging enough yet throws so many false statements about gaming. Gold. Oh and nice impression of me Leo! :) - elfguy

Paul is not an expert on Gaming it has become clear in this episode ;) - Mark

New Atom platform Congratulations, shoppers. Those Christmas presents you just bought are all obsolete Kind of a mean thing to do on Intel's part: Announce new chips the week of Christmas, ship them right after New Years. - Leo Laporte

Rumors of an Apple TV subscription platform This sounds interesting But... Has to include all major networks. Must have closed captioning. If it works ... Could kill cable. - Leo Laporte

Audible pick of the week: Here's the Deal: Don't Touch Me by Howie Mandel http://www.audible.com/adbl... "A frank, funny, no-holds-barred memoir that reveals the Deal or No Deal host's ongoing struggle with OCD and ADHD - and how it has shaped his life and career." Recommended by my friend Joe, and given as a Christmas present - Leo Laporte

Tip of the week: Save money online with this awesome browser plug-in Invisible Hand for IE, Firefox, Chrome Shows a very discreet notification when the product you're browsing can be bought for a lower price elsewhere. Absolutely priceless. (Pardon the pun.) - Leo Laporte

Software pick of the week: Blurb and Booksmart http://www.blurb.com/ Make your own photo book - the ultimate holiday gift Or a book of any kind Pricing: http://www.blurb.com/create... Next week: My favorite Audible book, tip, and software pick of 2009 - Leo Laporte

captaha dataentry , what do u know about it?? - Imran Ahamed Imon

Heh. Netflix seems to be succeeding with a subscription model. I wonder how long it'll be before they have 'direct to Netflix' streamed content. - Ken Sheppardson

I have both the Roku box and Xbox, and I have to say I really prefer the Xbox with it's ability to browse stuff not in your queue. Really is just as simple as the Roku. - Ken Sheppardson

Xbox now has a "Zune" app... seems they're stride for stride with Apple in the TV box market. - Ken Sheppardson

Abes of Maine is in Brooklyn, BTW - Ken Sheppardson

actually they moved to New Jersey - Ken Sheppardson

"We are a family run business, who has been in operation since 1979. From our humble beginnings in Old Orchard Beach, Maine, where we started as a mom and pop retail store, after several years of beginning our mail-order business, made the move to NYC in September 1986. There on Coney Island Ave. in Brooklyn, we built up our company into a reliable and reputable establishment" - Ken Sheppardson

I'll never do business with Abes again. Had some pretty painful CS exchanges with them. - Ken Sheppardson

uh oh wish i'd known that ken! - Leo Laporte

Well, like I always say... as long as nothing goes wrong, everything will be fine :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

Oh, but you bought through Amazon, so you'd be dealing with them rather than Abe's if there are any problems. - Ken Sheppardson

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Tease: Steve Jobs loses one and wins one, Apple enters the TV biz, and a Macworld Expo preview... - Leo Laporte

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Hello from Pasadena, CA, is Andy in town? - George Mag

I won my Fantasy Football League and I am considering buying a Motorola Droid today. I have an iPhone 3GS but I think the Verizon network is faster than AT&T on 3G. - George Mag

will it be a good thing or a bad thing that apple wont be at macworld? - Aaron

Macworld was always a fringe event, Apple is mainstream now and CES is a a mainstream event. - George Mag

Funny how they throw out the Red Carpet for TWiT now we are the biggest name at the conference ;) - Mark

I don't think MacWorld ever had a live feed except for Apple's Keynote, they made too exclusive. - George Mag

yeah but 99.9% of apps will not make the big money - Mark

why is this news that a small number of the millions of developers are making big money? its the same for all markets - Mark

The Killer App for Android has yet to reveal itself. - George Mag

Tap Tap Revenge also has in-game downloadable content that you pay for. I should know. :( - Seth

some PC indie developers make millions, some make pennies - Mark

What true for stocks is true for Apps, Pennies add up, its total transactions that count. - George Mag

yes but its running at 320x240 resolution - Mark

so 500mhz is plenty - Mark

I'm ready for the "death" of traditional TV. If a show isn't interactive in some way (ala TWiT) or topical (news, sports), there's no reason to stream it "live". All the standard dramas and sitcoms will go on-demand, per show, with "release dates". - Ken Sheppardson

And it looks like I totally missed the point. Again :-) - Parody

I'm not talking about some alternative to video, I'm just talking about the way the video is delivered. - Ken Sheppardson

Maybe every 15 minutes you could just say "For those of you who tuned in for the [15|30|60|...] minute version of MBW, thank you for joining us and see you next week"... then just keep going. - Ken Sheppardson

What to Choose: IMAX 3D versus RealD versus Dolby 3D for 3D Movies? - 3D Vision Blog -- http://3dvision-blog.com/what-to... - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, the only reason I don't like th Audible ads is since I joined, Andy has cost me a lot of money... Plus I am shopping for a new car in March... I have been looking at a Ford... GAH, GET OUT OF MY HEAD - Johnny Worthington

lol johnny.... you're "one of us... one of us... one of us" - Chris Heath

George Mag, have you used the TurnByTurn navigation on android 2.0? voice activated (like ford sync) with street view pictures (with hi-lighted arrows on the road where you need to turn) ... it's pretty killer... the phone itself costs as much as a tom-tom or garmin and you get way way more than those devices offer (for only a small monthly service charge) - Chris Heath

good show do u think we NEAD A APP SHOW - daveccorey

Did Leo find somebody to take his Mustang to CES? If not, I nominate Paul. - Hawklu

Mona Nomura

The West Wing is the best tv series aired ever. I dare you to name another show that 1UPs it. #doubledogdare

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Never seen it... - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

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Totally agree. If I could only watch one show for the rest of my life, would be The West Wing. - Caleb Elston

CSI and McGyver - Shey, Jamaican of FF from iPhone

Gilligan's Island. - Joe

I'm not sure that I'd for sure name it best (it's kind of unfair to compare all different sorts of TV shows together in one category), but it's certainly the one I return to over and over and over again. (Too bad not all of the seasons were of equal quality, though.) - Spidra Webster

M*A*S*H - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Homicide: Life on the Street (edited: stupid keyboard) - ha3rvey (Ho)^3

you mean "Homicide"? - Joe Silence is not Santa

Mission Impossible - Cristo

Part of the impact of West Wing was the marked contrast between Josiah Bartlett's administration and the real-life version under Bush and Cheney. - Mark "DerBingle" J

Wild Wild West - Cristo

Star Trek - Cristo

(Hint: There weren't any cowboys in the Josiah Bartlett version.) - Mark "DerBingle" J

Seinfeld - Cristo

All In The Family - Cristo

That may account for some of its popularity, Mark, but I think West Wing was popular for what marks a lot of Sorkin shows: excellent dialogue, fantastic mix of comedy and drama, supernal ensemble casting...and the extra for West Wing was being able to geek out over all that governmental stuff. The dialogue was so thick with it that repeat viewings reward you. Takes several times seeing an ep before you really feel you've gotten everything out of it. - Spidra Webster

Without looking at other answers: Homicide, particularly the first year. - AJ Kohn

Chappelle Show - Cristo

NYPD Blue - Louis Gray

The Simpsons - Louis Gray

Hill Street Blues - Cristo

Red Dwarf - Cristo

Chapelle Show - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

House, MD - imabonehead

Firefly. - AJ Kohn

Hannah Montana.... naw, just kidding. :) - Cristo

Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman #checkmate - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

The Wire, The Sopranos, Arrested Development - T. Brent, technopeasant

Any PBS shows :P - imabonehead

NOVA - ha3rvey (Ho)^3

You guys are ridiculous!! LOL - Mona Nomura from iPhone

Yup. I had to place the Mission Impossible theme because of this thread. - Cristo

Dr. Quinn, medicince woman. Chapelle Show. LOL Just EL OH EL!!!! - Mona Nomura from iPhone

A show with Rob Lowe in it is the best of all time. LOL. :D - Cristo

West Wing rocks.. seeing the cast in any other show still disturbs me. they are supposed to be in WW working :) - Yunus Tunak

sports night. - Sean Oliver

SportsCenter. - Louis Gray

60 Minutes. - Louis Gray

Spidra - Agreed. Trust me on this, I wasn't trying to diminish the "West Wing" side of the equation! - Mark "DerBingle" J

Nightly News With Tom Brokaw. - Louis Gray

Pee Wee's Funhouse! - Mark "DerBingle" J

First season of Miami Vice... unfadeable baby! - Adrian

The West Wing was so awesome I remember bit characters. Like the guy in records or something who had the best line ever. "Well you're a strange little frumpy man, aren't you?" Of all the series I've loved, this one lasts the longest. - Heather

The Streets of San Francisco - Steve

CHiPs - T. Brent, technopeasant

Magnum P.I. - Steve

Jay Leno Show. - imabonehead

Laugh-In - T. Brent, technopeasant

In Living Colour. - imabonehead

DOCTOR WHO. - Steven Perez

Robot Chicken for sure! - Jeff P. Henderson

People are so serious about their TV! People are yelling at me on Twitter, too! Geez. LOL - Mona Nomura from iPhone

None of the above. But. Mad Men is climbing the charts fast. Still. WW is in the stratosphere, and nothing will touch it. - Christopher Galtenberg from iPhone

I've been watching it again on DVD. In fact, watching it right now... Jean-Paul just spiked her drink, Tae Diggs is talking to a bunch of folks about to get it... uh oh... aaaaand.... poor Molly... - Ken Sheppardson

Yes. Mad Men. - T. Brent, technopeasant

The Shield - Jan Ole Peek

Johnny Quest - Mistletoe Glen

Doctor Who... - Christian (Simply X)

The Unit. - imabonehead

I liked The Unit as well. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

Plus most of the rest that ya'll listed. Good picks! :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

better than TWW: Arrested Development, Futurama, Veronica Mars, The Simpsons (uh, stopping somewhere between end of season 9 and season 12 at the latest), 30 Rock, Community, and Newsradio. Action, Pushing Daisies, and Life, too if we can sneak in those shows that were "cancelled before their time". Buffy up to S5 but not past it. Esp considering the relative doldrums of TWW s3 - s6. - Andrew C

That's easy, 24 and X-Files are far better. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Guess I'm just one of those peeps who think the west wing was boring. Couldn't get through an episode. Was more interested in ER at the time. - Jon, the Chilled Beartato from Android

Rome series 1, BSG reimagined, Sportsnight, Buffy, Farscape, Magnum PI, Red Dwarf, Thundar the Barbarian, Underdog, M.A.S.H., Password, What's My Line?, I Love Lucy, The Carol Burnett Show all rank pretty high with me. I'm sure I missed some. Loved West Wing in doses, but it became taxing for me to watch. - Michael W. May

Cheers. *dead* - Morgan Haley

West Wing is a tough show to compare shows to. As far as must watch TV: Damages, Flash Forward, Rescue Me, Dark Blue, Fringe, Lie To Me... This would be easier if I was near my DVR! - amarquart

The West Wing might be my FAVORITE series but I think the BEST series was The Wire. - Akiva Moskovitz

Good show, but best ever? Don't think so. The Wire and Rome, for instance, are way better. Heroes Season 1 (only), Kings, The Black Donnellys, Babylon 5, New BSG before season 4 are some more. Andrew C names a bunch more that I agree with. - Chieze Okoye

Buffy the Vampire Slayer. (sorry, @Ha3rvey.) - edythe from iPhone

Austin City Limits - J. Abdul-Qahhar

Kung Fu, All in the Family, M.A.S.H - Christopher A Carr

The Unit - Alex Scoble

Burn Notice - Alex Scoble

Small Wonder. - Joe Pierce

Leverage - VAL D. Zone

24 you cannot beat Jack Bauer - VAL D. Zone

Nobody's mentioned The Greatest American Hero? *sings* Believe it or not, I'm walking on air. I never thought I could feel so freeeee-eeeeee-eeeee! - Jason Huebel

Arrested Development - Alex Scrivener

Soup Sales - VAL D. Zone

wkrp in cincinnati, :p - chaz2b

I've never seen West Wing. - Laura wishes you peace.

WW was great for a few seasons, then I just got tired of it. - dthree

The WIRE and at a canter too - JSLeFanu

Father Ted - Mistletoe Glen

Feckers! - Christopher A Carr

Alex, yes, Burn Notice, I should have mentioned that one, too. - Chieze Okoye

Mona: Never seen it. Alex: BN rocks socks. - Nicholas Kreidberg

Homicide - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed

The West Wing is one of the few TV Series that I love. - Roberto Bonini

FFundercats. - Jim Norris

The Wire. - Mona Nomura from iPhone

Star trek longer lasting and bigger impact/influence on society overall. ^_^ - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Mr. Wizard's World. - Joe Pierce

Reading Rainbow...thats the big guns now boy! - John D Reasor

Sports Night. H:LOTS Arrested Development. - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

A-Team, MacGyver, and AirWolf. - imabonehead from Android

A-TEAM. LOL. - Mona Nomura

AirWolf, LOL - Amit Morson

All in the Family. Brady Bunch. Dallas. and newbie: Glee - Eric Matas

Airwolf *smile* I did almost say Riptide myself ;) - Michael W. May

OMGing at Joe's Small Wonder. - Alix Whitmire

I've never seen West Wing, but that's how I feel about Six Feet Under. - Alix Whitmire

ditto what Alix wrote. and I'll add The Wire. - jbrotherlove

"The West Wing might be my FAVORITE series but I think the BEST series was The Wire." - Akiva - Mona Nomura

West Wing is a great series. Period. BUT NYPD Blue was better. - Louis Gray

The Prisoner (the original 60s series, not the remake). - Parody

I saw a clip. It showed a person being cowed into standing for the president. That was enough for me. - SuezanneC Baskerville

What does cowed into standing for the president mean? - Mona Nomura

intimidated - one is "supposed" to stand up when the president enters a room, at least according to the show. it's a statist ritual, like singing songs of praise to governments. i find it offensive. - SuezanneC Baskerville

Respect != intimidation. Besides, what's wrong with showing respect to ranked officers? POTUS is the Chief of Staff. - Mona Nomura

Secret of the Dead on PBS. - imabonehead from Android

By West Wing, you actually mean Wings, am-i-rite? Tony Shalhoub!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ;) - Micah Wittman

++Micah - Joe Pierce

Ugh. Not a fan of Monk or Tony Shalhoub. - Mona Nomura

Not even in Galaxy Quest? - Joe Pierce

Don't even know what that is... - Mona Nomura

Joe, you've got your work cut out for you on this one :D - Micah Wittman

BSG. No greater show has ever existed. - Shawn Whitmire

The idea and potential of BSG may be great - but certainly not the show that actually materialized. - Christopher Galtenberg from iPhone

Silver Spoons. - imabonehead from Android

I'll also second whoever wrote Rome above - fantastic series - Christopher Galtenberg from iPhone

"Ugh. Not a fan of Monk or Tony Shalhoub." D^8 MONA!! Say it ain't so!! - Chieze Okoye

Now I know how to get some suggestions for TV shows. Good job on that one Mona! X ) - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

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Glad Jeff gave credit to Adam Curry and Dave Winer. - Alex Howard

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Perhaps Kevin could dial down his video quality - Ken Sheppardson

Hello Leo, Will you be talking about the new Nexus One Phone, listening and watching on UStream in Los Angeles, CA. Yes its 78 degress here. - George Mag

Doesn't a 10 second pre-roll before a 5 minute clip give the advertiser equivalent exposure? - Ken Sheppardson

It'd be great to start collecting that mark data now, even if the players and infrastructure don't yet support it. - Ken Sheppardson

bloggingheads.tv does a good job with deep links to video segments - Jim Posner

Isn't it possible to do automatic transcription on YouTube now? - Ken Sheppardson

Apparently you can embed a YouTube video and start at a specific point by appending the "start=xxx" parameter to the embed URL, where xxx is the start time in seconds... but you can't use that in a browser link - Ken Sheppardson

Way to work in the scifi reference, Kevin. Charlie Stross is awesome. - Alex Howard

The Economics of a Free Google Phone - http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

Google's Nexus One lacks multitouch - http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Holger Eilhard

"P.S. We should probably clarify that while the Google Apps tested don't respond to multitouch, the OS and hardware are presumably multitouch capable. See our previous exhaustive analysis of this topic if you're wondering why." - Holger Eilhard

Gina makes a great point about photo search on Google. - Jim Connolly

We need a Voight-Kampff app. - Ken Sheppardson

All those publicly available images on Facebook will be fair game for corporate recruiters now. - George Mag

But Jeff already has an audience. Once you've established a community, they can rally around you, but some random, anonymous person? Not so much. - Ken Sheppardson

Oh come on. Leo. Of course people are using the Yellow Pages. All early adopters here, so no one is crying foul? That will change, but for offline folks, it's still true. There's still a business there, though not for long. - Alex Howard

We do know, Leo. It's called Dyn. http://www.pcworld.com/article... - Alex Howard

"My Gmail Account and Google Apps Got Hacked" - http://www.labnol.org/interne... - Holger Eilhard

That link was eye-opening, @Holger. Led to a great tip post on RWW: http://goo.gl/IOG9 - Alex Howard

Alex: Especially to know all that stuff about your account that you probably never thought about... Should be a good source for a Lifehacker post, too. - Holger Eilhard

We do sorta see this already with all the different blogging APIs, no? MetaBlog, XML-RPC, Wordpress, etc. - Ken Sheppardson

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I suspect we'll end up with a publicly accepted generic version of the API, with some group that slowly folds in features that Twitter rolls out, lagging by a few months. - Ken Sheppardson

... so developers will be able to support the "Production"/generic version, or track the "Developement" channel, which is whatever Twitter wants to throw in with no notice. - Ken Sheppardson

Leo what exactly is the Tri-Caster? - George Mag

Thanks Leo, I'll catch it when posted on Roku - Phil B.

I know this is way late to the game, but I was just listening on my Android... I use an app called DoggCatcher... it was the first app on the Android and it is by far the best... Please try it out. - Jeff Martin

Does the risk of a stalker identifying Gina outweight the benefit of Gina identifying a stalker? - Michal Tatarynowicz

good point Michal - Chris Heath

If Google is "an advertising company" (a great quote), then how does it make money with it's brilliant Gmail app for the Android (for example) where there are no ads? - David M

The free mobile app is simply a feature of the Gmail service that gives you a reason to pick Gmail over Hotmail, Yahoo mail, Outlook/Exchange, etc. They make their money displaying ads to you when you're at your PC reading mail via Gmail vs some other service. - Ken Sheppardson

Jeff Jarvis is not the father of podcasts. He is more like a rich step-father that came in and adopted a young, poor, kid that had lots of potential and put him into Harvard. - Ward Seward

I think any "father of podcasting" references you heard were RE Kevin Marks, Ward. Back in 2003 he worked on a tool to push RSS enclosures to the iPod (see http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003...) - Ken Sheppardson

And notice Kevin's modesty as he refers to Winer, who's RSS enclosures made it possible - note that audio rss feeds were around before the term 'podcasting' - Kevin's tool was the first to get those feeds onto iPods and then naturally followed the term 'podcast' ... yadda yadda yadda - Chris Heath

I'm back to the "but if it's free..." problem. Android (or any 'smart-phone') apps that are sans-advertising are GREAT for information but horrible for money making. At some point, there is no more return-on-investment (e.g. the 'free netbook from Google' idea) without advertising OR Google return to old-school advertising where ubiquity is pursued without knowing if the investment _actually_ causes revenue... and that won't work so well in the Economy 2.0-and-beyond... me thinks. - David M

OK, think of it this way: free Gmail apps on your phone are like an ad for Gmail. They get you to start using the product that's generating revenue, which is the full-blown in-browser app. - Ken Sheppardson

I agree with Ken. The phone is a supplement to there real/desktop products (with ads of course). I could never do all my email, calendar, docs, contacts,... on just my phone. Give'm the razors for free. We'll make money off the blades! - Ward Seward

Also, Ken and Chris... I know who Kevin is and what he did (was listening to podcasts before they had the term podcasts). I just had a brain fart and typed the wrong name, because I had just read the show description. Anyway, I wasn't writing to say he didn't contribute greatly to podcasting... I was commenting on Leo's comment and Kevin's modesty/joking about Kevin being the father of podcasting. (AKA I was trying to be funny) - Ward Seward

Ward, gotcha... however, Leo's still right since the term podcasting wouldn't have come around if these audio netcasts via rss were never put onto iPods. - Chris Heath

also note, i'm not saying that it wouldn't have happened, just that it was Kevin who made it happen first (along with everyone else who came before him, winer etc, and those that helped him with that initial app) - Chris Heath

Derrick

What was that site that we all ran to the day Friendfeed was sold to the Facebook peeps (and consequently, the very same site I haven't been to since?)?

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YouFace. - Christopher Harley from iPhone

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Facebook...you might have heard of it. - Alex Scoble

streamy - Jim: Dead Like FF

Hamster. - Christopher Harley from iPhone

My SpaceFaceBook - johnpiercy

FecesBook - Mo Kargas

Streamy? - Rodfather

Streamy. I'm slow. - Laura wishes you peace.

Steamy - Mo Kargas

Yeah, I think that's it. How come no one ever says Streamy is dead? - Derrick

Cleveland Streamy. - Christopher Harley from iPhone

LOL! +10 Derrick. - Jim: Dead Like FF

because it never really lived. - Call me Bronco

Streamy, but also the FFrefugees group on Ning http://ffrefugees.ning.com OK, so not so much... 12 people isn't quite "all" - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFace: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Steven Perez

Me: "You may want to make a list of where to find these important documents; it will be hard to remember so much." Trainee: "But if I don't remember I can just ask someone." *headdesk* Does she think I'm telling her all this stuff for fun?

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Wow. She's just...I don't even have words for what she is. - Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)

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Have you invited your replacement to FF yet? :) - Eivind

Just make it clear that *no one else knows* and that *you're the one* other people ask. - Michael R. Bernstein

She pretty much does nothing unless I tell her what to do minute-by-minute. This is not auspicious. - Lo

Eivind, I think she'd be more comfortable on FB, if you catch my drift :D - Lo

Have you made your concerns clear to your (and presumably New Girl's) supervisor? Not that you're obligated to. - Michael R. Bernstein

You could just pick up one of this http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_sec..., capture every convo you have with her, and leave it for her to sort out later. - Ken Sheppardson

breathe deep - VAL D. Zone

now exhale - VAL D. Zone

Is she fresh out of school? In my first job I wasn't so good about taking notes either. Now in my 2nd position I'm absolutely anal about it - LANjackal

FB? LOL. #oohburn (In a similar situation, I spent an entire day doing a brain dump of my job into a well-formatted document. It was difficult, but ultimately worth it - and management was pretty pleased with my effort.) - Jennifer Dittrich

I've never had to train a replacement before, but I document as much as I can to make it easy for someone to pick up where I left off in case of my absence - LANjackal from IM

Yeah, I've made lots of helpful guides leading up to this. She wouldn't write down where they were located on the computer, is what prompted this. - Lo

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The Data-Crunching Powerhouse Behind ‘Avatar’ - http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...

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Those numbers in that post have to be way off... 17.28GB per minute of footage * 166 minutes of footage only equals about 2.87TB. If that's only the source maybe, but that can't be the rendered footage, especially since I presume they rendered at 1080 * 1920 (4x4x4). Just an observation. (added the correct aspect ratio of 1920, really ought to read stuff before I blindly post). - Scott

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I'm confused... which numbers do you think are way off, Scott? In which direction? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, the 17.28GB per minute of storage, it just seems way too low. Although my math might be off. The numbers seem way lower than they should, I only work in the game industry and we're talking multiple TB's for rendered footage, not in 3D (yet). Ok, I think I understand where I got off on the numbers now after re-reading that post - My presumption (completely on me) was that those were... more... - Scott

^^^^^This is why I don't get up early in the morning and shouldn't read tech articles before caffeine^^^^^ - Scott

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on Gillmor Gang live at 2pm - Kevin Marks

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I'm hanging by, this is being delayed by some technical difficulties. - Robert Scoble

We are about to start. - Robert Scoble

Is the sound working, or is it just me? - Matt Mastracci

I guess the ads are working, just not Gillmor's mic :) - Matt Mastracci

Relax, Steve - it's all good :) - Rob La Gesse

There we go.. heard something - Matt Mastracci

Kick that wire again. - Rob La Gesse

nice loud typing - Jerry Schuman

It's working now. Hearing the behind-the-scenes talking :) - Matt Mastracci

Mic is live, Steve - Rob La Gesse

Hang out a second. - Robert Scoble

Early F-Bomb FTW! - Rob La Gesse

Gillmor Gang Recording Live w/ Scoble, Keen, Rivera, Marks - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Using the F word is not professional, Steve. - Judy Jones

This is shaping up to be a good one. - Matt Mastracci

Hey Kev, when are we getting block on calls? - Jerry Schuman

OK, I actually installed Ribbit on my iPhone -- I hope to heck it works. - Cliff Gerrish

Judy: he's reacting to a jerk on the Internet. It's not professional, but well placed. - Robert Scoble

25/25 here.. FIOS is sweet - Jerry Schuman

I'm jealous! - Robert Scoble

what the heck you jealous about.. you're the one living in Half Moon Bay - Jerry Schuman

10/5 here over Coax - it's often enough, and never enough! - Rob La Gesse

Jerry: I'd rather have bandwidth! - Robert Scoble

Rob, you going to CES? - Jerry Schuman

Jerry - Scoble and I were just discussing that a couple hours ago. Not sure yet. - Rob La Gesse

I ♥ the Gillmor Gang - Gabe Rivera

ok...guess i hit the wrong link. - Karoli

Well add me to the drinking buddies list if you do. I'll be demoing in a suite not at convention center. - Jerry Schuman

OK, we got keen and kevin back - Cliff Gerrish

No we realize you'll eventually go from exaltation to bashing of every system out there, Robert.. - Ken Sheppardson

Friendfeed? What's this friendfeed of which you speak? - Ron Schott

@Jerry - definitely! - Rob La Gesse

heheh. - Robert Scoble

Ken: today it's even slower than usual. Looks like only 14 people here now. - Robert Scoble

I think everyone is out doing Christmas shopping. - Robert Scoble

The new OAuth is great. Amusing that it really needed the change, but it wouldn't have been possible to do in the beginning. - Matt Mastracci

For GG, Robert? Was there any notice of the show happening today at 2:15 vs Thu at 1? - Ken Sheppardson

In may make OAuth usable in the enterprise... - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: if there were any people here or even on Twitter they would be here no matter how much notice there was given. - Robert Scoble

kshep - no, we had a power outage today -- so we had to do a lot of studio check out before the show. - Cliff Gerrish

Dave Winer's view on protocol evolution is pretty warped. - Matt Mastracci

Everything is very slow today. - Robert Scoble

Robert, make that 15 people :) - Mike Doeff

I don't think Dave believes in evolution. - Cliff Gerrish

Alright, it's getting crowded in here! :-) - Robert Scoble

Cliff, exactly. Unless he wants to re-specify part of a self-frozen spec himself, of course. - Matt Mastracci

I find that it's a little easier than it used to be to find hard-core discussions on science and tech now that there's less tech-industry-gossip-circle-jerking. - Christopher A Carr

Oddly enough, I haven't given Andrew a thought since the last time he was on the show either... - Ken Sheppardson

Agree with Andrew. Love Echofon - Karoli

I hacked up http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com on the friendfeed API - Kevin Marks

Moved off Nambu to latest beta of Socialite... actually liking it. - Jerry Schuman

Robert, I just keep badges on. not popups or sounds. - Karoli

"I don;t care what anyone says unless they mention me" - classic :) - Rob La Gesse

Who is this Andrew guy? - Matt Mastracci

Matt: http://andrewkeen.typepad.com - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks... I didn't catch his name at the start - Matt Mastracci

Love my Kindle, giving daughter the Nook. - Karoli

hey everybody! :) - Susan Beebe

5 bucks... considering that's the cost of PPV movies... and you get them for 24 hours - Jerry Schuman

I paid $10 for an app. An essential ToDo app. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Tweetie 2.0 is $5. Very disappointing. - Karoli

Steve has the KILLER studio rig. Whoa! - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

What is friendlier feed? - Matt Terenzio

JooJoo killer :) - Mike Doeff

mine goes for 2 wks without wireless. - Karoli

I'll buy an Apple Tablet as soon as they will let me. - Rob La Gesse

I'm torn between my love for paper books and things electronic. Paper books still winning for me. - Matt Mastracci

http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com/ is friendfeed with nicer HTML - bigger faces, black text, microformats - Kevin Marks

Matt - looks like it has #microformats - Susan Beebe

Kevin - looks good! :) - Susan Beebe

I'll sometimes read for 5 or 6 hours in a row. Backlit displays are a little rough in that situation. - Christopher A Carr

A hacked NOOK.. that's the ticket - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: Yep. The Android hackers are already going to town.. - Christopher A Carr

I'd love a rooted nook. - Matt Mastracci

ooh that would be cool - Susan Beebe

Apparently you just need to open it and reflash the Micro-SD. - Matt Mastracci

The hardware specs on the Nook should be providing better performance - I think a Firmware update will correct most of the release issues - Rob La Gesse

What about the e-ink screen on the Nook? Can it meet the Kindle with its specs? - Matt Mastracci

I want a Apple tablet - Jerry Schuman

e-books are too expensive to have more than one open at a time on my desk, or lose one on the train - both easily done with paper books - Barbariccia

Is that National Geographic HDD in HTML or proprietary format? - Matt Mastracci

NG HDD is a neat idea - Susan Beebe

Proprietary unfortunately. - Robert Scoble

Crappy. Maybe we can liberate it with some reverse engineering. Liberate for freedom, not piracy that is :) - Matt Mastracci

bummer - Susan Beebe

Kindle app on iPhone is cool - Susan Beebe

Kindle on iphone is good enough in a tight spot but not comfortable - Barbariccia

I didn't think so either till I got one. I email my PDFs etc there too. It's awesome. - Karoli

I read Gods of Mars on my iPhone... worked well - Jerry Schuman

I've used the iPhone one a few times... works well for travel. - Matt Mastracci

I read the free "Red Mars" book on iPhone kindle, then bought the paper books for the trilogy in a store - Matt Mastracci

I read @paulcarr's book on my Droid this weekend in HTML - Kevin Marks

Didn't know Kindle rendered web pages / browser... product advertising fail - Susan Beebe

H+ magazine is a good example of a progressive publication. They started out as a PDF form of the paper magazine, but quickly morphed to a rich experience after everyone complained. - Matt Mastracci

I love using Google's FastFlip on my iPhone. Not a bad magazine interface - Jerry Schuman

yep, that is cool - Susan Beebe

"Footnotes are very pedestrian" How punny! - Ron Schott

Susan, the web browser on Kindle is still in beta. - Karoli

oooh thanks! - Susan Beebe

hahah Scoble's bored! LOL - Susan Beebe

I think Charlie Stross has done well giving away "Accelerando" for free... - Christopher A Carr

I don't think that rich, wild layout format works on the web or on a tablet. - Matt Mastracci

now Scobles holds up Kindle hoping we won't notice him looking at that "Make" magazine! - Susan Beebe

Books in print and books on screens will coexist. - Cliff Gerrish

Agreed - most users still consume content in both mediums - Susan Beebe

Eventually paper books will start to decline, but it'll be after we force the publishers to remove DRM on the books and let us transport them across machines. - Matt Mastracci

plus they're offloading their operational costs for the amazon mp3 store via AWS. A nice flat TCO - Jerry Schuman

Legacy Tech -> Early Piracy -> Highly Controlled Tech -> High-Fidelity Piracy -> Openness - Matt Mastracci

I want the audio version included when I buy a digital book - let me move from audio to digital, depending on what I am currently doing. And keep me in the right place between the two. - Rob La Gesse

MG's article on TechCrunch --> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Susan Beebe

TVO.org has a nice debate on the future of reading (incl. Bill Buxton of MSFT) - http://tinyurl.com/y85qvzp - Cliff Gerrish

three screens and a cloud... - Cliff Gerrish

Rob - me too! I buy paper, Amazon electronic format and audio. Would love to have these tie into my iPhone more - Susan Beebe

YouTube is king of video - Susan Beebe

Think you'll see some interesting stuff at CES regarding this.. The strategic partner I'm working with is going to be demoing some pretty cool stuff regarding playing content across devices. - Jerry Schuman

I want all my media (audio/video/books/docs/mail) on a server at home, backed up to a cloud and synced to a personal device. Everything available, all the time. - Matt Mastracci

Matt, bingo - Jerry Schuman

What Matt said. - Christopher A Carr

Cloud -- iPhone mobile is just fine for me :) - Susan Beebe

Yeah, but Qik is live.. - Christopher A Carr

i clicked on a youtube video today and it wouldn't work on my iphone. i pouted. - Karoli

Yeah, you sorta expect every YouTube video to work on an iphone. Not always true. - Cliff Gerrish

no way! strange! - Susan Beebe

Qik is a neat toy on current handsets. Starting 2011, compressing on the phone won't be an issue. - Christopher A Carr

youtube videos, no problem on skyfire browser - Tim Jones

Scoble's camera is bigger than yours. - Cliff Gerrish

Tim: But, WinMo, ugh. - Christopher A Carr

do we really need go there, Christopher? - Tim Jones

Twitter birddog for FriendFeed, I believe. Up to 400,000 user tracks. - Matt Mastracci

Tim: Nope. - Christopher A Carr

qik will be great on netbooks or tablets - but then again those also will have ustream access - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Gabe is wrong - personalized content streams are going to be with us in the first quarter of next year - Nick Halstead

Twitter is a personalized content stream... - Cliff Gerrish

have a look at http://tunein.com as a personal techmeme - Kevin Marks

wee smirch? what was that Steve? - Susan Beebe

The beginnings of automatic personalized content streams are already here (lazyfeed, etc). TechMeme better step up quick. - Matt Mastracci

Handsets in 2011 will be more powerful than most 2009 netbooks: http://www.broadcom.com/press... - Christopher A Carr

tweetmeme love that app! - Susan Beebe

WeSmirch -- Techmeme for celebrity gossip. - Cliff Gerrish

oooh thanks Cliff... I am soooooooooo out of that circle :D - Susan Beebe

8 million people visit it every month Gabe - Nick Halstead

Susan, it's also run by Gabe. - Cliff Gerrish

tweetmeme is valuable for TRENDING topics on twitter (RT functionality) - Susan Beebe

oooh didn't know that - Susan Beebe

wrong, wrong, wrong - our button supplies less than 5% of our traffic - Nick Halstead

Ah, so when Gabe asked "what's tweetmeme" he was being facetious? - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken, yes - lol - Nick Halstead

Ken - haha same reaction i had...doh! - Susan Beebe

Could Techmeme function if I had a personal filter that allow me to choose which sources I cared about? - Ken Sheppardson

yahoo portal pages are the goto source for non-techs who love reading the celebrity news - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://livingstories.googlelabs.com/ <-- interesting experiment by google in evolving stories. - Matt Mastracci

Ken - great idea! You can check out topics, not sure about filtering sources - Susan Beebe

Ken: no. On Techmeme they choose the sources and you have no control. - Robert Scoble

I'm not talking about Techmeme, per se, I'm talking about a service that presented data and stories in the same way, but selected only from among the sources I specified - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed :) - Susan Beebe

we already have personalised channels -> iphone.tweetmeme.com all that will change is that others can make them next year - Nick Halstead

sorry - link http://iphone.tweetmeme.com - Nick Halstead

where is the chat room for this show? is this it? - kosso

Nick - cool :) - Susan Beebe

Kosso: this is it. - Robert Scoble

I wonder if Gabe reads WeSmirch - Cliff Gerrish

kosso - yes :) - Susan Beebe

@kosso bingo :) - Nick Halstead

kosso - yes, this is the main chat area - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

thanks ;) - kosso

i found it interesting that Gabe asked what Tweetmeme was, then went on to explain some things about it - kosso

@kosso lol - Nick Halstead

there needs to be an understanding between sites that do automated/rules curation and sites that do human editorial curation - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

reads tweets in Google Reader - Tim Jones

we have over a million people reading Technology category -> http://tweetmeme.com/categor... ignore that Gabe - Nick Halstead

Tim, you read in Google Reader? how interesting... - Karoli

Nick LOL :D - Susan Beebe

also, earlier Steve said that USteam had overtaken Qik on the iPhone. The thing is, is that Qik was the first to offer live video on the (jailbroken) iPhone. Apple have hamstrung Qik - very unfair. Though the quality of UStream is indeed excellent. Best thing about UStream is that you can record as well as broadcast live - from the desktop or mobile - kosso

The top story on TweetMeme is NSFW, btw :) - Matt Mastracci

Oh geesh!! too funny - Susan Beebe

Where are TechMeme's readership stats? In a form we can verify? - Ken Sheppardson

gabe should release TechMeme's reader numbers in a verifiable way - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

yup, works for me. also for stuff not in twitter, blog posts, etc. it's all goes to my Google Reader - Tim Jones

We have 100,000 websites using our button - thats 100,000 sources of realtime information - how can Gave just ignore that? - Nick Halstead

I don't quite understand Gabe's critique... other than the fact that he runs Techmeme and Tweetmeme isn't it. - Ken Sheppardson

we serve 180 million buttons a day - if compete showed those results we would be the biggest site in the world!!! - Nick Halstead

WOW - Susan Beebe

I will email robert our real google analytics now - if he wants them - Nick Halstead

I use tweetmeme button on my blog too, does help get more uniques! - Susan Beebe

Nick, you should output iframes instead of images with your JS. I think some of those toolbars count those frames as impressions. - Matt Mastracci

Gabe sounds very _very_ defensive. Think he should loosen up a bit. - Josiah Kiehl

Scoble - tell Steve I want to be on the show next time round - so I can fight my corner here - he is talking complete rubbish - Nick Halstead

Scoble, can Gillmor call Nick and add him in over Skype? - Matt Mastracci

Nick should definitely be on GG next! - Susan Beebe

i do agree with Gabe actually. Though Tweetmeme has a lot of button installs (congrats Nick) I think the stats are simply hits on the Javascript - not to the site itself. I could be wrong. ;p - kosso

I can be on Skype Scoble - Nick Halstead

Steve - ADD Nick to this show!! - Susan Beebe

Nick: It doesn't typically work that way... there's no attempt to be fair/balanced... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah. Gabe missed SpaceShip One as well. - Rob La Gesse

Nick said otherwise, Kosso. ;) - Josiah Kiehl

Are we going to get to the Google Openness Manifesto soon? - Ron Schott

Nick: is Tweetmeme editorialised in any way? Or is it simply weighted on the number of clicks on the retweet buttons? [out of interest] - kosso

hahah! Microsoft missed that the internet is important - OMG that is epic - Susan Beebe

just one last funny comment on Gabe saying he doesnt know what TweetMeme is: the first time I met him in SF he said 'When are you going to rename your service' - at which point I just laughed - Nick Halstead

Nick - he's just jealous :P - Susan Beebe

Microsoft is monolithicly slow, cause they're monolithicly sized. - Josiah Kiehl

Settle down people, I wanted to Scoble to define Tweetmeme. I didn't say that I hadn't heard of it. I think it's important to define what he means by Tweememe because there are 2 faces to the service: 1. button provider , 2. link aggregator - Gabe Rivera

@kosso the ranking is based upon 3 elements, score, velocity + age - score is based upon about 10 factors, but a lot made up of the authority of each twitter user who tweets the link - Nick Halstead

@nick ta ;) - kosso

You don't have to choose between slow and massive. - Matt Mastracci

@gabe please dont try and speak for our service - you know nothing about our stats - the button is a tiny % of our traffic for the main site - just because TC say something doesnt make it true - Nick Halstead

You do have to be specifically focused on NOT being slow if you are massive. This is why startups have a chance: they're naturally more agile. - Josiah Kiehl

"The Road Ahead" was 1995, right? Would be interesting to read it again today. - Ken Sheppardson

Microsoft as a group 'noticed' the internet in '95: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr... - Matt Mastracci

compete.com is actually also completely and utterly wrong - quantcast is the only site with semi-accurate data for us - http://www.quantcast.com/tweetme... - Nick Halstead

TechMeme really is excellent imho. It's my primary source of tech news/memes multiple times a day - kosso

Silverlight is "open"? - Josiah Kiehl

Silverlight is not open. - Matt Mastracci

Since when? - Josiah Kiehl

so impressed with the picture and quality of the broadcast, Steve/Cliff. Gotta run now...happy holidays to you all. - Karoli

hard to turn ship, but best thing is that MS could do is sell more Windows that more people use to get to Google - Tim Jones

Silverlight is the exact definition of closed. - Matt Mastracci

Google has a lot of Microsoft DNA in it these days... - Cliff Gerrish

There is a difference between "GNU Open" and "Google Open".... but Silverlight is CLEARLY neither. - Josiah Kiehl

See ya Karoli... - Cliff Gerrish

+1 Josiah - Matt Mastracci

Karoli - Happy Holidays to you too! ;) - Susan Beebe

I think the difference is that Google's revenue increases when the web is more open. Microsoft's decreases. It's how the companies are set up. - Josiah Kiehl

a friend's 15 yr old kid bought a netbook from money earned from babysitting job- more people getting on net - Tim Jones

The TechCrunch article about how Android is going after Windows Mobile rather than iPhone made a lot of sense. - Josiah Kiehl

If you want to compare Microsoft, consider some of these products: Flash (closed, private development), Silverlight (closed source, private development), Windows (closed source, private development), Chrome OS (open source), Chrome Browser (open source), Google Web Toolkit (open source). - Matt Mastracci

Mobile is where M$ needs to focus to get back in the game - Susan Beebe

A friend of mine works on the WinMo team. He told me they recently ported IE6 to WinMo. THAT's a step forward, eh? eh? - Josiah Kiehl

Chrome browser been on Windows since Sept 08. Zune UI on WinMo 7 would be great - Tim Jones

Microsoft is a few years behind on mobile. The focus on back-compat hobbles them. They can't release a WinMo that breaks 10 year-old-apps, but Apple can break compat from year to year. - Matt Mastracci

What did the carriers do? - Josiah Kiehl

As M$ declines further into history, they will find it more challenging to woo high end staffing resources - Susan Beebe

Outside of Xbox, what's exciting out of Microsoft? - Matt Mastracci

It's important that everyone ignore what's new out of Microsoft. - Cliff Gerrish

That way it'll be a surprise. - Cliff Gerrish

A twitter? - Josiah Kiehl

email? - Tim Jones

@gaberivera? - Josiah Kiehl

http://twitter.com/gaberivera - Susan Beebe

Microsoft's Windows 7 is quite good. I'm using it here. - Robert Scoble

But is it exciting? - Matt Mastracci

Robert - on your netbook? What model is that? - Susan Beebe

Robert, keep it quiet. - Cliff Gerrish

@Robert : is "quite good" enough? ;) - kosso

The real question for Google is how can they sustain their openness when Doc Searls disrupts the advertising model. - Ron Schott

CNBC is actually having a news special on iPhone apps. - Cliff Gerrish

I run Windows 7 on my 27" iMac - primarily so I can use Windows LiveWriter and Outlook. - Rob La Gesse

cool. i am seriously thinking of formatting one of my laptops with Win7 - Susan Beebe

LiveWriter is good... - Christopher A Carr

I'm going to get a copy of Win7 for my Mac too. I already do silverlight develop that way. - Cliff Gerrish

I still run Windows, but it's in a VM for a handful of apps and testing. The total number of non-web apps I interact with is pretty low. - Matt Mastracci

Windows 7 surprised me. It's actually a worthwhile OS, from a usability point of view. I actually took some of Win7s features and configured my Ubuntu install to behave similarly. - Josiah Kiehl

Andoid baby! - Tim Jones

Android is the one to watch ! (my iPhone is jealous now) - Susan Beebe

I still love my G1.. just can't wait to get more space for applications. Need to do the apps2sd thing, I guess. - Josiah Kiehl

I want Droid in 2010 in the UK! - Nick Halstead

Scoble - what netbook do you have? - Susan Beebe

I haven't had to boot(camp) in to Windows for over a month now. This is the longest in my pc-based career ever I haven't need it. I feel overwhelmingly *safer* ;) - No trojans etc ;) - kosso

Did all of you get the news... "BREAKING – Microsoft slapped hard by court: Can’t sell Word" http://friendfeed.com/robdian... - Micah Wittman

Thanks Gillmore Gang! :) - Susan Beebe

Entertaining as always, thanks. - Matt Mastracci

I don't have one right now. I don't like them that much. - Robert Scoble

@Nick you can get the 'MileStone' now. - kosso

Nick: Skip that Droid handset. Snapdragon chipset handsets are coming in 2010. - Christopher A Carr

Micah - yep, crazy huh! - Susan Beebe

Just check'n. Thanks, Susan. - Micah Wittman

Scoble - netbook - too small ? - Susan Beebe

I'd rather just use an iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Micah - yeah. They have to retool part of the Office release before they can continue selling it. The docx load/save functionality is infringing, which is a big part of the new format. - Matt Mastracci

yeah, I saw that. The XML feature is "little used"? I thought docx _was_ xml. - Josiah Kiehl

haha gotcha. I'd get a netbook if it could support the high resolution on my new 23" Dell monitor - Susan Beebe

Josiah: docx is xml. - Robert Scoble

desktop > netbook >mobile phone - Tim Jones

I use my iPhone more than ANY other computer - Susan Beebe

well... Microsoft said the XML feature is little used. See here: http://www.reuters.com/article... - Josiah Kiehl

mobile phone screen too small - Tim Jones

RE: iPhone. It seems bizarre to me that you still have to kill an app to open another app. - Christopher A Carr

i'm such an edge case for smart phones - the screens are just way too small. that's why i'm looking for a tablet that I can use as a remote view onto my servers - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yes, that does suck. My old BB handled multiple apps just fine - Susan Beebe

I think that's got to be spin. The patent is basically on how you serialize a document on the screen to XML. Unless they've got a way to sidestep some of the claims, it'll be a big job. - Matt Mastracci

Hence Android > iPhone OS. :) Apps like Locale, however, are the reasons I have an Android phone. - Josiah Kiehl

my iPhone is my 'communicator', 'informer', 'connector' and 'entertainer'. It just works. I've never had a phone that I use for more things other than phone calls - ever. - kosso

I just noticed loren feldman managed to slam the GG and scoble while dumping on the praise for calcanis http://bit.ly/7ckTYz - Paul E. Ester

phone for quick info, but for moving around the screen alot on the go, whips out netbook - Tim Jones

Thanks everybody, great show. - Cliff Gerrish

Hardware-wise, Android handsets are going to get well out in front of iPhones this upcoming year. - Christopher A Carr

indeed - Paul E. Ester

I still have a hard time engaging in conversation on the phone, as much as I use it. I'll usually save a big reply for the desktop when I'm at home. - Matt Mastracci

Kevin Marks is getting huge! Easy mate. - Paul E. Ester

@christopher : iteration should certainly be faster. I *like* my HTC Hero, but I *love* my iPhone. And before I had one (iPhone), I never thought I'd ever say that. - kosso

lol @ the best twitter account from Paul's link above: http://twitter.com/common_... - Josiah Kiehl

The nail in the coffin for me with the iPhone is the tie-in with iTunes, which I despise. - Christopher A Carr

+1 Christopher... I just want to dump media on it sometimes and I skip it because it's too much of a pain to go through the iTunes gateway - Matt Mastracci

@christopher I agree with that. I can't stand itunes. but I really do admire how utterly simple Apple have made it to spend money in their ecosystem. Far easier than Google. - kosso

Want DoubleTwist to work desperately: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt..., but never seems to... - Matt Mastracci

kosso: It's worked well for Apple, for sure. - Christopher A Carr

off now to continue building my hybrid iPhone/Android apps ... cheers all! ;) - kosso

Here is a shoutout for the amazing tricaster wish I could afford it! - Paul E. Ester

you go Apple if you have money to burn, but fo' da rest of us 90% folks, well.. - Tim Jones

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What to Choose: IMAX 3D versus RealD versus Dolby 3D for 3D Movies? - 3D Vision Blog - http://3dvision-blog.com/what-to...

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"Lately this has become a serious question for a lot of people, especially when considering where to watch James Cameron’s Avatar… it has even crossed my mind as we have cinemas with all of the three 3D technologies where I live too. So here is a quick and short comparison between the three, along with information on which one I personally prefer, but you are also more than welcome to share your personal preferences too along with the WHYs." - Ken Sheppardson from Bookmarklet

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Richard Scarry’s Pigs Love To Eat Pork - http://laughingsquid.com/richard...

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Merlin Mann has been collecting images of pigs who love eating meat, especially pork... "Although many of the animals in Richard Scarry’s books have an unusual interest in meat, no creature is more intrigued by the exploitation and consumption of his own species than the smiling and good-natured pig." - Ken Sheppardson from Bookmarklet

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I would kill for a WebOS Friendfeed app, or at the very least pay for one.

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I think the chance of any such app died with the Facebook acquisition, unfortunately. - Ken Sheppardson

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What's Palm WebOS. - Cliff Gerrish

Do I go around trashing your Silverlight threads? ;-) Oh, sorry... serious Q?... It's the OS the Pre and Pixi use. Webkit + A Javascript framework for building apps + Javascript library to access the hardware - Ken Sheppardson

Does it provide javascript access to the local address book, etc? - Cliff Gerrish

Yep. Contacts, calendar, GPS, accelerometer, etc. http://developer.palm.com/index... - Ken Sheppardson

Sorry about the "trashing" crack. I'm used to people asking that question facetiously. :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

I agree with your first comment, Ken, which is why I've reduced myself to offering the services of a contract killer. Exhibit A in support of why I need one: this posting showed up twice due to refresh problems. - aldenoneil

Kshep, the set of APIs available to Javascript via WebKit is different on iPhone, Android and Palm. Has anyone mapped this differences? - Cliff Gerrish

Alex Scoble

Such is life...Was diagnosed with a hernia in my groinal area the day before we go to Jamaica

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dang. sorry to hear that, Alex - imabonehead

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Not serious enough to require surgery yet, just mildy to moderately painful...also required me to buy bigger pants - Alex Scoble from IM

Ouch sorry to hear Alex - Rasmus Lauridsen

You're not canceling your trip, are you? - imabonehead

Man, that wedding night must have been GOOD! - Spidra Webster

Spidra beat me to the punch. Very sorry to hear that, Alex. - Jim: Dead Like FF

Hell to the naw!! Don't be crazy!! Hehe - Alex Scoble from IM

Drink more rum. Sorry to hear, hope it heals quickly. Enjoy Jamaica mon. - Eric Logan

In all seriousness, I'm sorry you've got a hernia and hope it heals up soonest. - Spidra Webster

:( My friend had 2 in the lower back but went to Twain anyway. Came back and had surgery then. :) - Rachel Lea Fox

Dang. :( - Laura wishes you peace.

And +1 for "groinal." - Laura wishes you peace.

I thought you guys would like that :) - Alex Scoble from IM

That sucks sack man... Be well and have a good time - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Johnny just called me sack man - Alex Scoble from IM

Oh, forgot the comma... 'That sucks sack, man' :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

It was funnier without the comma :) - Alex Scoble from IM

Crikey. Enjoy yourself nonetheless, and we'll see you on the otherside. - Derrick

Thanks, Johnny and all - Alex Scoble from IM

Oh, that stinks. Good thing the water is warm there. =) Enjoy your honeymoon. - Admiral Anika

dam it to hell - VAL D. Zone

Weren't you just golfing? - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Hehehe, heavens no...that was my two brothers having fun in the sun in Half Moon Bay today...I don't golf - Alex Scoble from IM

This is going to be stuck in my head now, with slightly altered lyrics http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Sheppardson

Sack Man is even funnier considering it's a groinal hernia. /14-year-old - Spidra Webster

That was a groiner, Spidra :) - Alex Scoble from IM

Oh, man. :( Sorry to hear that! Hope you can get some relaxing time in Jamaica. - Rochelle

*sigh* sorry about all the juvenile comments you've had to endure at this, your time of need, Alex. To poke fun at a man and his bulging [redacted] when he's on his honeymoon! For shame, FFers, for shame! Hope you have a great time and get your bits back into shape when you get back. - WorldofHiglet

If you can't laugh at your own groin, you can't laugh - Alex Scoble from IM

Alex, truer words were never spoken. - Laura wishes you peace.

I suppose it's better than other people laughing at your groin :) - WorldofHiglet

:( - Steven Perez

Hope you'll be alright - Kamilah Gill

Get well, dewd. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

:-( - Kol Tregaskes

ouch. I guess the only consolation is that the procedure is done via keyhole now, rather than the "slash 'em 'n' stitch 'em" method that was common when I had mine done! - Andrew Terry

Be careful an be safe. Try to have fun - Rodfather

You'll be feeling irie in no time, mon. - Josh Haley from iPhone

yikes, that's no good. Sorry to hear it - Chieze Okoye

DeWitt Clinton

How awesome would it be if Twitter ran a PSHB hub (http://code.google.com/p...) and put rel="hub" in their feeds? http://twitter.com/statuse...

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Twitter is just a few simple things away from running an open-standards based stack in parallel with their own stack. Neither is wrong, but there are merits to doing it over existing standards as well. Let's start a movement. - DeWitt Clinton

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A movement sounds great. I support you! :) - Meryn Stol

As soon as Twitter opens up the firehose to everyone, someone can create a "mirror" of sorts that does all the right things PSHB-wise. - Eric Florenzano

Eric, I don't think they'll provide the firehose for free anytime soon. I think that right now it's an important source of revenue for them. - Meryn Stol

@Eric, are things like favorites in the firehose? What prompted this is that my favorites feed (http://twitter.com/favorit...) is still not updated on FriendFeed. All Twitter needs to do is stick a rel="hub" in there and run a hub (heck, they could use Superfeedr's or Google's) and sites like FriendFeed would get the fat pings instantly. A few hours of work and immediately the web would be better, faster, and more open. - DeWitt Clinton

I say - let's do it! - imabonehead

We can't... from the BirdDog content license - "5.ii.b - No Redistribution. Unless expressly authorized by Twitter, you may not distribute, sublicense, lease, rent or re-syndicate the Content or the Content Feed on a stand-alone basis, or display or perform the Content anywhere except on your Service." -- http://twitter.com/help... - Ken Sheppardson

This has already been discussed on the Twitter dev list (between myself and John K.) - short answer was no. Looking for that discussion... - Jesse Stay

Here it is - I was quite bummed by their response: http://groups.google.com/group... - Jesse Stay

Best solution right now is for us all to develop a standard that copies Twitter's, get that widely used and adopted with open source software that implements it, and then when Twitter is in the minority, tag on a real-time layer to it. - Jesse Stay

We (Superfeedr) are indeed working on that... it's not quite ready, but hopefully I'll have good news for early next week :) As a matter of facts, it works wuit well with user feeds already :) Search feeds are a little bit harder. - Julien

Julien, what are you guys doing about the terms of Service? I thought Twitter didn't allow that. - Jesse Stay

Per my link above, from John Kaluci: "Technically, someone could build a service to consume from the Streaming API and push into PubSubHubBub. This would be against the EULA though. " - Jesse Stay

"5.ii.b - No Redistribution. Unless expressly authorized by Twitter, you may not distribute, sublicense, lease, rent or re-syndicate the Content or the Content Feed on a stand-alone basis, or display or perform the Content anywhere except on your Service." -- http://twitter.com/help... - Ken Sheppardson

Here's my proposal - hoping you guys can join me: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

@Jesse -- good read. Just to frame this, I'll be honest, I'm not all that interested an "OpenTwitter." (Though I am all for a more open Twitter, and have nothing against people that want to clone the Twitter API.) I think what they've done is neat, but it is only a small part of what can be done once we make the web itself better at low-latency distribution of content + federation of identity and social graphs. - DeWitt Clinton

There's something much more powerful afoot than any single network or any single API. Think what could be enabled with Atom and RSS, PubSubHubbub (or rssCloud), Salmon, ActvityStreams, OAuth, OpenID, Webfinger, and Portable Contacts. That dwarfs any single thing we've seen thus far. In other words, don't think OpenTwitter; think bigger. - DeWitt Clinton

Seems to me the real attraction of Twitter's API is as a *publishing* protocol, not necessarily as a way to consume streams. For that we have the collection/stack DeWitt mentioned. But allowing someone to push out what they're doing form their iPhone, Air app, etc., sure... OpenTwitter's a good option. And that's how the platforms like Wordpress, Tumblr, etc are implementing it, right? - Ken Sheppardson

OpenTwitter could technically work on RSS. I'm thinking about a gateway of some sort that reads in RSS/RSSCloud/Atom/PSHB and publishes out in Twitter-compatible format so all the Twitter clients can understand it. I think it could actually work well with RSS, but for Twitter and others to adopt RSS, market forces are going to have to push them to do so. They're much more likely if we make it as easy as possible for the Twitter clients to do so. - Jesse Stay

* rssCloud insufficient as a base for mublogging federation. * we'll support it for real time updates (as much as we can). * if there's more functionality added to rssCloud / and/or other protocols that we can use, we'll support and adapt to new protocols as they evolve. Regarding: xmpp pubsub * it's heavy (need server, etc.) * we'd like to have it, maybe we should implement, but not a high priority right now. http://status.net/wiki... - A Mitchell

Thanks for the link to the OMB roadmap, A Mitchell. In general I like that direction -- identify and create the requisite underlying technologies, then build the special purpose (Twitter-like, microblogging, etc) services on top of them. - DeWitt Clinton

Also, I should add that I'm only suggesting rel="hub" and PSHB support for the per-user feeds. The firehose is a different story -- I'm not asking for that -- it scales differently and has direct implications for Twitter's business model. - DeWitt Clinton

DeWitt, I agree, but Twitter didn't make it sound like that was happening any time soon when I asked in that thread above. You should bring it up again on the dev list though - I'd love to see that, yes. - Jesse Stay

Benjamin Golub to Benjamin's feed, DSLR

Amazon.com: Canon Rebel XS 10.1MP Digital SLR Camera with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens (Black): Camera & Photo - http://www.amazon.com/dp...

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$409. That is a tough deal to beat. Cheaper than some point and shoots. - Benjamin Golub from Bookmarklet

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Aren't you already shooting Nikon? The D3000's only $50 more at this point. - ronin

Yeah I shoot Nikon. This just looked like a good deal for someone without a DSLR - Benjamin Golub

Ah, ok. Thought you were getting a backup body or something. =) - ronin

I don't think I'm serious enough for a backup body :P - Benjamin Golub

If you were, you could grab a refurbed D60 body from Adorama for $349. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Also, Newegg still has the D40 + 18-55 for $434.99 - Ken Sheppardson

Chrimmus Tad

Alright - we saw Avatar this afternoon. It was more than halfway into it before I realized how much of what I was watching wasn't real, but CGI. Best damned CGI I've ever seen anywhere, ever. Avatar is to CGI movies what Jurassic Park was to pre-CGI movies.

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I was expecting some amazing 3D-movie game changer, but didn't notice any. The 3D in the movie was extremely well done, but not mind-shattering. The story, the setting, the characters all made the movie - not the 3D. - Chrimmus Tad

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T2 was more revolutionary for CGI than Jurassic Park was...and a far better movie. - Alex Scoble

You think it was worth seeing it in 3D, Tad? Have you seen others recently where it was or wasn't worth it? - Ken Sheppardson

It think part of the reason why the 3D was so good was because it wasn't so painstakingly pointed out as "LOOK THIS PART IS IN 3D!!!!". It just was... it was support instead of the focus. And the story was really good. I think it was worth the experience in 3D but I love the fact that the 3D just enhanced and wasn't a big gag-line in the whole thing like most 3D movies I've seen before this one. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Yeah, they got the "Look, 3D" part out of the way in the first scene aboard the ship, then most of the rest was just the cool holographic screens. I'm curious how much of the movie is actually CG. - Rob Haas

From what I can tell, Rob, it's almost all CGI - Alex Scoble

It's very impressive in that regard. The Star Wars prequels, while nice looking, were obviously really sterile and empty CGI sets. They fixed that problem in Avatar. - Rob Haas

Yeah, as brash and full of hubris that James Cameron is, he's a far better director than George Lucas will ever hope to be. - Alex Scoble

Avatar >>>>>>>> Star Wars Prequels. - Chrimmus Tad

Yes - I think it should probably only be seen in 3D. It's the way the director intended it to be seen. Like Lindsay said, 3D was used to enhance the movie rather than just existing to be a gimmick. Much happier ending than Titanic. :D - Chrimmus Tad

saw it in IMAX on the giant screen in 3D. Was awesome. Very immerse experience. CGI was crazy. - Bill Kinney

Kevin Fox

Photos: Thing Labs & Brizzly Headquarters - http://laughingsquid.com/photos-...

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The thumb tacks on the whiteboard are driving me nuts - Jesse Stay

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They're magnets. - Ken Sheppardson

Ah - that makes me feel much better :-) - Jesse Stay

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

It's the little things :-) - Jesse Stay

I was in Thing Labs for all of 10 minutes and I managed to write something snarky on their whiteboard in permanent marker by mistake. So embarrassing. - Kevin Fox

Kevin lol! - Jesse Stay

jackalope! - karl dotter from iPhone

Jesse Stay

I just posted an e-mail to opentwitter@googlegroups.com - I'm thinking the Tornado framework may be the ideal framework to power this thing. What do you think?: http://groups.google.com/group...

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Does Identica already do what you want? - Ken Sheppardson

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Do you have another name besides OpenTwitter... Something like Open140 or something - Johnny Worthington

Ken, Identica is a provider - we want to be a gateway. Ideally this will support different types of providers - blogging platforms, microblogging platforms, image hosting platforms, cloud-based filesystem platforms. Ideally such a gateway will support multiple types of platforms, and, in real-time, push out that content in a format that is compatible with any Twitter client on the market today. It should "just work" in any Twitter client with just the change of the base domain. - Jesse Stay

Johnny, the name definitely isn't set. The only reason I call it OpenTwitter right now is that the output of this thing has to be in Twitter-client-compatible format that any Twitter client can understand without any change to code. I'm open to any other name change - be sure to suggest a few on the Google Group or in the FriendFeed room. - Jesse Stay

It's also easier for people to understand when you mention "Twitter" in the name, so long as we're not saying *we're* Twitter and we're clearly marking Twitter as a separate company from what this is. (this isn't a company, nor is it even an organization) - Jesse Stay

Akiva Moskovitz

GO. YOU. COWBOYS.

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One less undefeated team, one to go. - Eric Logan

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Looks like they're deciding to move it tonight. 1 Quarter to go... - Matt Hilton

The question is why you would be against the Saints going undefeated? So long as it's not the Patriots, I'm fine. Is it because this is not a "legendary" team like the 49ers in the '80s, and therefore is less deserving? - Louis Gray

Can't really put a like on this one, so I will have to comment. Come back time baby! - Rasmus Lauridsen

Hey -- for as long as I can remember, it's been the New Orleans Ain'ts. Once I got my mind wrapped around them at 4-0 and 5-0, I am ready to see the Saints go all the way... and I'm 100% an Eagles fan! - Ladybug Heather

I thought for a second maybe my DVR was behind, but no... looks like Eric just jinxed them. Heh. - Ken Sheppardson

I am a Dolphins Fan. I always want other teams to lose once. Ken has a point though. Go you Cowboys. - Eric Logan

<3 Heather, Eagles Fan here and I hate the Cowgirls more than words can convey so GOOOO SAINTS! - Rasmus Lauridsen

Never underestimate the ability of the Cowboys to blow it. - Ken Sheppardson

Fired - Matt Hilton

Mr. Folk I love you!!! - Rasmus Lauridsen

This has gotten nuts. - Akiva Moskovitz

Louis, I'm not a fan of any team being undefeated. Well, except for the Seahawks and the Cowboys. - Akiva Moskovitz

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS GO YOU COWBOYS!@%@~ - Akiva Moskovitz

Y'know I don't know whether it's the way NFL Network handles the stadium sound or Millen and Papa(?) but JEEZ... how do they turn every single game into a snoozer? It's like, oh, fumble, game over. Oh well. - Ken Sheppardson

YES! <3 - pea

I think the NFL Network has to go out of the way to not play favorites to either team (notice that the announcers even complimented the officials). It doesn't always work but it does make for rather sterile commentary. - Akiva Moskovitz

pffffffffffftttttttt - VAL D. Zone

DANG IT!!! Was so hoping the Saints would win... that way the Cowboys would be knocked out of contention. - Harold

*sigh* I hand it to you Mr. Moskovitz the better team of night won. Puts some nice pressure on the Eagles snowball fight tomorrow. Hope the Cowboys will keep Mr. Folk though, he will never get another job if they fire him :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen

Ladybug Heather

Heather presents the following idea for your consideration: If something is a physical, literal fact, then it isn't doctrine. Doctrine is for what we cannot *know*, as human beings in this world; doctrine is the tradition of what we *believe*, what we trust in, what we stake our souls on.

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Along the same lines, heresy (defined as an idea that is contrary to orthodox doctrine) is not an error in something that is literally, physically, factually knowable. Heresy is an error in belief. And this is what makes heresy such a threatening thing. Neither the doctrine nor the heresy can be proven -- in this world -- to be literally, factually real. - Ladybug Heather

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Created and deleted 2 comments on this so far... I think I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. - Chrimmus Tad

Saying that you're going to keep your mouth shut isn't the same as keeping your mouth shut. You're still saying something, only in a passive-aggressive way. HA HA SCHOOLED YOU, TAD!!!!!!!!!!!! - Akiva Moskovitz

That's kind of a bummer, Tad. I was actually looking forward to some discussion on this one. My novice class has been discussing the concept of heresy for a few weeks now. As Dominicans, it's an important concept for us to come to terms with, and some of us have had an easier time than others. - Ladybug Heather

Heather, I'm going to disagree from a biblical standpoint. Romans 6:17 talks about "doctrine (in the KJV)" as a "form" that we are committed to or obey. The greek word for "form" is τύπος (tupos #5179) and means example or pattern and is associated with metalcraft. We pour metal into a form (or die) to give it a specific shape with clearly defined boundaries. Doctrine is knowable, and HAS to be. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Okay, Jeremy, then let's try one. One element of Christian doctrine is that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. How do we know this? [As opposed to believing it, trusting it, having conviction in it, that is.] I do agree, though, that doctrine is about those clearly defined boundaries, which give form and shape to belief. - Ladybug Heather

The gospel of John, when read in one sitting, makes it very clear. In addition to that: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage... I am not sure how much more clear it could be. I am careful not to jump too quickly into "maybe" ares, but this isn't one of them. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Oh, and #scobleapprovedconversation - Jeremy (quasimodo)

"Know" as in provable with physical evidence that can be perceived with the five physical senses? - Victor Ganata

Do you know that George Washington was the first U.S. President? - Jeremy (quasimodo)

I've been told he was, Jeremy, by people who've read books that say he was. But I never saw him do anything that would support that belief. It was a long, long time ago. People could just be making up stories. - Ken Sheppardson

Related - The Future History of the Beatles : http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Sheppardson

Therefore to say that "George Washington was the first president of the United States" is not fact; but popular opinion? - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Seems to me one of the core problems is each person has a different threshold of evidence they consider to be necessary to establish something as a "fact". - Ken Sheppardson

I'd counter that the greatest problem is the consistency with which they apply the threshold. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

I've come to accept the idea that "history is a set of lies agreed upon." Even George Washington has myths attached to him, like the whole thing about the cherry tree. But sometimes all we have to rely upon are convenient fictions that everyone else seems to believe as well. - Victor Ganata

In any case, to me, facts are things I can easily test, and when I test them, I get the same result each and every time. If I let go of my pen, it will drop to the floor. If I bang my head against the desk hard, it will cause me pain. Once you've entered the realm of the untestable, all I'm left with is belief. - Victor Ganata

There's plenty of doctrine that people don't "stake [their] souls on." That seems a peculiar addition to the definition. - Christopher A Carr

Well, we're specifically talking about Catholicism/Christianity, no? Not just doctrine in general. - Victor Ganata

It may be different in other denominations, but Catholic doctrines (and dogmas) are teachings that must be accepted by all the faithful; that is, they are not open for debate or discussion. In this sense, they must be accepted as true belief. I'd argue most, if not all, are warranted or justified as well, which would make them candidates for knowledge, and in that, they are considered... more... - Mark Trapp

I actually consider heresy to mean more- going against the doctrine or system of belief. - anna sauce

Not an error, but against. - anna sauce

It's important to realize most religious teaching comes from a different place than scientific, relativistic, or skeptic teaching. Whereas a skeptic might say it's hard or impossible to know what's true, or a relativist might say it's all true, or a scientist says they can only know what's empirically true, religion, particularly the Abrahamic religions, purport that there are actual... more... - Mark Trapp

Anna; like I said, it may be different for other denominations, but for Catholics, heresy has a very specific meaning. As defined by the Catechism, "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith." While I don't deny someone being actively against the Church might be a heretic, heresy occurs only when someone who ought... more... - Mark Trapp

But as for the distinction between doctrine and physical fact. As far as I can tell, only one of them is considered divinely-inspired. You don't have to believe in the law of gravity to be faithful. - Victor Ganata

I think adding the word fact and law to a discussion about doctrine's difference from science confuses the issue. The difference between a scientific conclusion and a doctrine is a level of commitment. Science aims to discover what is empirically knowable: that is, if I can prove something via a hypothesis and experiment, that is the domain of science. Things outside that framework are... more... - Mark Trapp

Doctrine, on the other hand, makes a claim to truth beyond any conditionals. In all possible worlds, in all possible situations, statements of doctrine are true. Even if we are brains in a vat, or science turns out to be wrong, or if someone were deceiving us. While the basis for that claim might be divinely inspired, it's not necessarily the case. - Mark Trapp

Doctrine and dogma have to be sanctioned by the hierarchy of the Church, though--even if God were to personally reveal to me some infallible truth about the universe, that wouldn't be doctrine, much less dogma. - Victor Ganata

That's not true, at least not in the framework of Catholicism. The Church is God's current presence on Earth. They answer to Him; God is not subject to Ecclesiastical review. In your scenario, there are only two options: either you're mistaken that God revealed something to you, or the Church has been mistaken. The Church has no authority to teach doctrine outside of what is actually... more... - Mark Trapp

To elaborate, God can't logically contradict Himself and He's infallible. If He tells the Church X is true, there's no chance He's going to tell you X is false as well. Either you were mistaken or the Church was mistaken when God revealed the truth. Since the Church is based upon God Himself revealing specific truths to them, there isn't a scenario in which He would reveal separate,... more... - Mark Trapp

This whole conversation was confusing to me because when I hear 'doctrine' I think of the legal or political sense. They're litmus tests and decision gates. The 'Monroe Doctrine' and the 'Bush Doctrine' are policy statements about what is and is not acceptable. It's neither truth nor dogma, but rather a set of principles. The legal form of doctrine is a lot more like 'litmus test'. It can be a set of conditions which determine the applicability of a law. - Kevin Fox

I actually didn't mean a truth that was incompatible with the doctrines of the Church, but a specific truth that isn't already covered in the catechism. Just because something is true--even if it's divinely inspired--doesn't necessarily make it doctrine. I guess, from a Catholic perspective, the difference between mere fact and doctrine is that doctrine is a necessary truth. - Victor Ganata

Kevin: in that sense, the two uses are the same. A Christian doctrine is a litmus test for the faithful: in order to be a Christian, you must believe Church doctrine. It is not acceptable for a Christian to deny those doctrines: if that occurs, they're considered a heretic or an apostate. I guess the difference comes from the domain of the doctrine: political doctrines cover policies or interests; religious doctrines cover facts about the world. - Mark Trapp

Victor: doctrines are statements of matters of fact in the way other matters of fact are. There isn't a religious world where religious doctrines are true and a real world where other things like science are true. Doctrine talks about this world and any other possible world. So, when God reveals a truth, it's true, regardless if a body recognizes it, and Christians must follow the word... more... - Mark Trapp

Mark: for the sake of this discussion I'm not at all arguing that scientific truth and doctrine are different kinds of facts. What I'm saying is that in the same way that dogma is a subset of doctrine, doctrine is a subset of fact. There are lots of true things that the catechism doesn't discuss at all, it doesn't make those things not true, and believing in things that aren't doctrine doesn't negate your faith, either. - Victor Ganata

This discussion got really fun while I wasn't looking! :-) I wasn't specifically intending to discuss orthodox Christian doctrine, but obviously that's where I come from. There are orthodox Islamic doctrine, orthodox Jewish doctrine, and I'm sure other types as well. Though they'll deny it, there are in fact neo-pagans who hold a pretty rigidly defined set of orthodox doctrine; I don't think that this is necessarily a bad thing, just making the observation that it exists. - Ladybug Heather

That said, much of what comprises orthodox Christian doctrine (at least, the essentials of Christian doctrine on which almost all committed Christians would agree) is unknowable in this world. The nature of God as Trinity, for example. We have little, if any, evidence that God exists and relates to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- and this is the key part -- and ONLY as Father,... more... - Ladybug Heather

So this is why the Trinity has to be part of doctrine -- and why this concept was (and still is) bitterly argued for many years. A faithful Christian can accept the doctrine of the Trinity and the mystery of it, realizing that she or he really can't understand or really know the reality behind it... in this world. Our faith tells us that all truth (and Truth) will be revealed in the next world. - Ladybug Heather

Going back to Jeremy: similar to your question about George Washington, how do you know that Obama is the current President of the United States? We know based on our own experience and based on evidence that comes from others. I know that Obama is President because of the overwhelming evidence backing up this fact. I'm sufficiently satisfied with the evidence for GW being our first President to feel comfortable saying that I know this as a fact. - Ladybug Heather

On the dual natures of Jesus, I don't know that scripture presents enough evidence to say that I KNOW Jesus to have been *fully* human and *fully* divine. That, of course, gets into definitions. What does it mean to be "fully human"? Do we see all of those aspects of Jesus in scripture? What does it mean to be "fully divine"? Do we see all of those? Is there other evidence that we may... more... - Ladybug Heather

Ken Sheppardson

"We're really happy to announce today a program that allows us to be able to provide that same type of access to the firehose to everyone in the system... Again we don't have final details yet... hopefully have more hammered out details in early 2010." - Ryan Sarver, Director of Platform, Twitter @ LeWeb 11:10 http://www.ustream.tv/recorde...

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I was cynical at first [i.e. "I'll believe it when I see it"], and hadn't seen the actual video of the announcement, but it sounds like they're taking this seriously. Still... I'll believe it when I see it ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

So, firehose for anyone who asks? I thought they were selling that for money. Oh well, who needs revenue anyway. ;) - Meryn Stol

My guess is they'll have tiers of latency, sample size, etc. with only a subset of all public tweets available for "free" (if any) with something less than a mission critical sort of SLA. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken Sheppardson

I still rely on Google Reader and RSS as a primary news path because I can (1) scan the full content of an item and (2) mark items off as I read or decide to ignore them.

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If somebody could give me a client that let me (1) see the full text of items linked to in tweets and (2) mark tweets as read, I'd be ready to dump RSS. - Ken Sheppardson

MG Siegler

Had I not saved a version of the post I was working on outside of WP I would be swearing at @rackspace on Twitter right now.

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Nice. Just appeared in my FriendFeed stream, with a timestamp of "23 hours ago from Twitter" - Ken Sheppardson

same for me along with a dozen other tweets from elsewhere - Mark

Steve Gillmor

RocmanUSA yes we are fine, and a healthy setback from the water

December 18 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Did I *just* see this pop up in my stream on FriendFeed, 18hrs after the fact, or am I imagining things? - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah, me too. I guess we're in re-runs. - Cliff Gerrish

perhaps a good sign as they reconnect to stream - Steve Gillmor

Anthony Citrano

I'm gonna put Jessep on the stand.

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knowwhatimean? nudge, nudge, saynahmore, saynahmore... http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Anthony Citrano

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Every time I see the name 'Jessep', I think about Altered States. - Akiva Moskovitz

I don't think he can handle the truth - Matt Hilton

What possible good could come from putting Jessep on the stand? - Ken Sheppardson

You put him on the stand and you get it from him! - Anthony Citrano

I object. I strenuously object! - Rene Wirtz

"I don't know what the hell kind of unit you're running here." - MikeAmundsen

@Rene: yes, she does. - Anthony Citrano from BuddyFeed

"I strenuously object?" Is that how it works? Hm? "Objection." "Overruled." "Oh, no, no, no. No, I STRENUOUSLY object." "Oh. Well, if you strenuously object then I should take some time to reconsider." - MikeAmundsen

No truth-handler you! Bah! I deride your truth-handling abilities! - Andrew C

Will this epic rumble in the jungle be exploding soon? I want to know when to order the party-keg of popcorn. - WorldofHiglet

@WoH - honestly, I don't know. I am wavering... a little. If I don't chicken out, then maybe Saturday. Or maybe never. - Anthony Citrano

To be honest, Anthony, I can understand you being unsure. While I'm absolutely sure you are right and have evidence etc - the resources, vested interests and plain spite on the other side makes them a formidable enemy. I'm not sure that victory would be worth it unless the publicity helped you. You will definitely get to test whether there really is no such thing bad publicity. If they... more... - WorldofHiglet

Just remember, Anthony, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns - Ken Sheppardson

@WoH: but what if your "if" has already occurred? - Anthony Citrano

Then, depending on the situation, you could lose either way. If you don't stand up to it they might forget it or they might decide to grind your bones to make their bread. Either way your reputation is on the line and silence will almost certainly be taken as admission of guilt. Attack is the best form of defense and they have made the first move. If it was me, I would issue a... more... - WorldofHiglet

Robert Scoble

Here's all the conversations on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/search... (all items with five or more comments). Just for anyone who is looking for a conversation. Me? I'm looking to get smarter. I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything.

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In fact, most of these conversations aren't even in English. - Robert Scoble

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While I see what you're lamenting, I haven't seen much better on twitter - especially since the format reflects the idea of shouting into the void 160 at a time. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

so.... not in English= not smart? Maybe you could learn some of the languages. You'd be smarter then! - Jim: Dead Like FF

Jeremy: I used to think that too, but then I unfollowed everyone and changed my strategy. My lists are very good now for getting smarter. - Robert Scoble

Jim: not in English = not making ME smarter unless I translate and, even then, finding good conversations is very difficult. Most of the conversations on FriendFeed are pablum, sorry. For instance, the item underneath this one on my screen reads "Just smashed a finger between a pair of 45 pound plates." OK. - Robert Scoble

Clearly your definition of 'good conversation' needs revision. If you think that a conversation cannot be 'good' unless it makes you smarter than you have a worldview that's much too small. Yes, that's RAPatton with the smashed finger. If you knew anything about Robert then you might find that post to be significant. You might learn something about Robert and the many, many physical trials he's had to endure in his life. - Jim: Dead Like FF

Smart is not in what information you get, who you talk to. Smart is in how you use the information you get, - Brian Sullivan

Let us not pretend that twitter is not full of inanities. It's not format, it's users. If you want conversations, start some. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

+++Brian - Melanie Reed

Robert, thank you for sharing that information about smashing up one's fingers. Just the meme presenting itself into my conscientiousness so that it may be drawn up in some future potential accident with my hands may indeed help me by association to avoid it! :) It's not all useless. - Melanie Reed

Jim: I don't want to talk about everything in the world that's happening to everyone. Maybe you want to talk about Tiger Woods and his problems or how someone smashed their fingers, but I don't. I'm looking for something smarter. - Robert Scoble

Your request appears to be best handled by Google Wave these days since it is easy to lose threads in most other tools. - Roney Smith

No Robert you are looking for something Techier which coincidentally does not equal smarter.. Different yes, smarter no. You are starting to act like that annoying person who keeps going to parties just to complain about everything. If you don't want to be here don't be here. I'm getting tired of your weekly friendfeed is dead bash on friendfeed thread. - Rasmus Lauridsen

robert, what someone... (perhaps louis gray?)... could make is a lazy feed for friendfeed-style conversations. what do you think? - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Google Wave is 100x more noisy and less useful than FriendFeed ever was. - Robert Scoble

Rasmus: no, that isn't true. I read a wide variety of things. For instance, world news: http://twitter.com/scoblem... - Robert Scoble

If you read that it's more focused and makes you smarter. Here? I don't find I'm getting smarter. I find I'm spending time having fun, maybe, but not getting smarter. - Robert Scoble

Robert -- sometimes I think you are just full of it. Have you ever actually used Google Wave? - Brian Sullivan

Brian: yes. I have hundreds of conversations open in Wave and it totally sucks. If you get value out of it you must either have only a very small group of people you collaborate with (I don't have that luxury) or you must be a better person than I am. - Robert Scoble

Robert you could not have missed my point more than you did. I'm done though... sorry. I like you but you just do not get it. - Jim: Dead Like FF

MIT Courseware is a good place to go to get smarter Robert... http://ocw.mit.edu/ --- since when has FF been a place to go to get smarter... twitter sure isn't doing that either is it? - Chris Heath

Wave is not for conversations it is for collaboration -- so what you are saying is the way you use it it sucks -- maybe because you don't know how to use it? - Brian Sullivan

Pffft. Not only do most conversations on here or Twitter not make you smarter, some actually cost you money: "Scoble is an egotistical fatso." - WorldofHiglet

Brian: even if you know how to use it it becomes noisy very quickly and you can't easily get back to the value that someone left in a long thread. OK, I guess from your message that you only have five people in your Wave. Then it's OK. - Robert Scoble

Well, some of the stories on that list will probably help expand one's way of thinking... but Kim Kardashian and bed picnics? Knitting Icelanders? Seems there's a relative amount of fluff on that list as well, from the brief glance I gave it. Expand your brain all you want, Robert, it's an excellent idea. But don't discount the play factor in learning... which appears to be kind of what... more... - Bette Cooper

WorldofHiglet: I just sent my $100 to the Food Bank. Was worth every penny. - Robert Scoble

Robert, if your looking to get smarter then get off the internet and go read a book. Or stay on the internet and go to websites that provided educational material. I'm so sorry that we don't provide you with the knowledge that you are seeking.... - Mathew™ one of a kind

Bette: there's always fluff. But now I don't need to dig through fluff on top of fluff. :-) Here I'm faced with both the fluff (and, sorry, compare the link above to the world news link and you'll see there's more fluff here) but here I need to deal with the conversation fluff too. - Robert Scoble

When my brother decides to step in the poo, he certainly splashes it all over. - Alex Scoble

Jim: whatever. You obviously get value out of this kinds of conversation. I don't. - Robert Scoble

Alex: I love giving people here what they want: a conversation. :-) - Robert Scoble

Mathew: I read books too (even have a Kindle so I can buy most anybook and read it immediately), but they make me smart about something that happened 12 months ago (or longer). - Robert Scoble

Robert, this isn't the kind of conversation that most of us are looking for. We are looking for fun or meaningful conversation. This here, is accomplishing anything more then wasting time. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Ok Robert I feel I need a disclaimer here... I was one of the Scobleites that followed you here, I stayed around though since I found it interesting. But yes you gathered a list on world media, that list though is not you or your conversations.... But look at your twitter feed, your conversations are 90%+ tech. - Rasmus Lauridsen

So where's the guy who wondered where all the conversations have gone? Look at this one... the fine art of avoiding heavy objects, and how to fling poo in a civilized manner. Now that's a conversation! :D - Bette Cooper

Is this your monthly Friendfeed slam? If so, thanks, see you in January. - Kenton

Looking to get smarter, or looking to feel superior? I'm allergic to condescension and this post almost killed me :P - Lo

Lo: :-) - Robert Scoble

Lo: the thing is the traffic here has NOT been going up and I'm trying to communicate why. Most people look at FriendFeed and don't see the conversations. Then, if they do find the conversations they see a bunch of noise. FriendFeed is fun for my brother, but not for people like me who are looking for something more specific. - Robert Scoble

Rasmus: my output is mostly tech, because that's mostly what I want to talk about, yes. But my inbound is much wider than that. - Robert Scoble

I think the specificity is really where it is at. FF is many things. Specific ain't it. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Good luck finding what you are looking for on Twitter. - Alex Scoble

Alex: I already found it on Twitter. It's easy with lists. - Robert Scoble

So Robert, in order for some of us to actually learn something; What do you, or any of us, gain by you coming here periodically and posting what is wrong with Friendfeed and the community? It seems to me that if you are looking for intelligent conversation you wouldn't just troll for comments, you'd actually start something worthwhile. - Kenton

Kenton: it's fun. Oh, so you are admitting that some conversations are more fun for you than others? EXACTLY MY POINT! - Robert Scoble

And I keep coming here, seeing the noise, and it makes me grumpy. Just like I'm making YOU grumpy! :-) - Robert Scoble

Why does it make you grumpy? Because you see it as noise and others don't? - Bette Cooper

Bette: yes. I see noise and not much signal. Makes me grumpy. But, worse, it explains why traffic numbers here have gone down. - Robert Scoble

Kenton: and, as for starting something, I've already done that: my own filtered feed: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- I wish I could do something like this here, but FriendFeed never got to it. - Robert Scoble

#scobleapprovedconversations - Jeremy (quasimodo)

TRAFFIC has not gone down! Traffic has gone up! Us American folks don't make a website! The people of the world make a website! - Mathew™ one of a kind

The reason it makes me grumpy is that I don't appreciate people who drive by and fling insults and tell us all that we're doing something wrong. The community here on Friendfeed works for the people who want it to work. If you're only doing it so you can have fun, have it at someone else's expense. Oh, here's a list of all the conversations (5 tweets or more) on Twitter. Oh, wait, how do I do that? How about Facebook? Oh, hmmm, can't do that there either. - Kenton

Mathew: that doesn't match the statements I've seen from traffic sites. Would love to see URLs proving traffic has gone up. - Robert Scoble

Isn't becoming better a nobler goal than being smarter? Smarter as a goal is solipsistic. Better as a goal encourages well roundedness and non means oriented connections with other people. - Todd Hoff

Kenton: it takes two people to have a conversation. If you don't like the insults, don't pay attention to them! - Robert Scoble

hmmm one man's turd is another mans gold... As I said before why do you come here if you don't like it and it makes you grumpy. To me that sounds quite masochistic... How are we to gauge your conversations? Conversation by definition takes two.. So what comes in through your lists can't exactly be said to be conversations you are taking part of. Your feed on the other hand can... - Rasmus Lauridsen

Todd: that's cool, but I'm already listening to 1,300 on Facebook, 16,000 on Twitter, and something like 15,000 here. How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" Me? I'm ready to narrow my focus to people who are actually teaching me something and making my life more interesting. - Robert Scoble

He likes the site. That's thing. He can't put it down. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Here you go. http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Now I do want to say that traffic does go up and down. But, it is easy to see that Friendfeed is on a upward trend. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Rasmus: I keep getting pulled back here because some of you take my name in vain. - Robert Scoble

LOL@egotisticalfattie - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Mathew: Alexa is well known to be very inaccurate. Quantcast is the one that most people use as real numbers. - Robert Scoble

As noted earlier, also seems language is proximate fundamental limiting factor. Really need Ubiquity add-on or some similar magic to do on the fly translation, (think Aunt Rosy Wavebot style). Seems next major limiting factor on expanding knowledge and integration of global cognition grid is language. This is fundamentally doable with today's tools, but nobody seems focused on making it happen in a way that we can all start teaching the GCG how to translate more accurately, understand slang, etc. - michael silverton

Well, when I goto Quantcast and see "rough estimate" that doesn't work for me. I want to see something that looks solid. But, whatever, I'm done. No one is going to satisfy you with whatever they bring to you. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Jeremy: truth is, I do like the site, but haven't liked it as much lately because everytime I come here I see noise, even on the lists I hand made. - Robert Scoble

No, you haven't found it on Twitter because it's not possible to have conversations on Twitter. And I doubt it will ever be possible. Twitter is like the modern equivalent of beepers. There's nothing there. Seriously. - Alex Scoble

Mathew: 20% of traffic comes from Turkey. I could care less about traffic there. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Funny thing is I like what you do on twitter, I even follow most of your lists on there, but the persona showing up here seems so very different. - Rasmus Lauridsen

Alex: really? I have conversations all the time on Twitter. I post a URL to my blog and on my blog I have Disqus, which lets me have conversations. Or, we link here, like we do for Gillmor Gang. - Robert Scoble

"How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" - is better defined by information absorbed or actions of quality taken? - Todd Hoff

I use FriendFeed to start smart conversations - I don't need to find ones to join, but there are those, too. I post them to Twitter, then continue them over here. - Jesse Stay

You may careless about the traffic there. But those who own and run Friendfeed care about ALLLLLLLLLLL traffic, not just US based traffic. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Alex, Twitter can be the start of the conversation. - Paul Harvey

Todd: Better is hard to define. Some people think better is having Turkish conversations. I don't. - Robert Scoble

I call it weeding the wheat from the chaff, Robert. FF is an excellent place for relaxing, for finding stimulating tidbits that lead to other things... and for getting a good laugh after a hard day. Oh... and for taking your name in vain... you make it far too easy. :-p Dude, you get what you give. The way it works. You want good stuff, give it. You want laughs, don't ever change.... more... - Bette Cooper

Mathew: the people who own and run FriendFeed don't care about FriendFeed. They run a little site named Facebook. You might have heard of it. - Robert Scoble

I've had some great conversations with David Recordon, Chris Messina, Dewitt Clinton, Cristo, Otto, Stephen Mack, Atul, Steve Gillmor, and more and I don't have to worry about losing the organization of the conversation over here. There's still nothing better, but it's your responsibility to make those conversations happen. I can't do what I can here over on Twitter. - Jesse Stay

That's bitterness speaking. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

By definition you aren't having conversations on Twitter. I get way more participation here than I ever will on Twitter even though I'm sending the same stuff there. Twitter just sucks. There's no way for you to say that it doesn't. It's popular, but that in no way shape or form makes it a viable alternative to friendfeed. - Alex Scoble

You may think that but I don't. And unless you can show be proof to support your statement then I'm not changing my mind. Because if they didn't care about Friendfeed it all it wouldn't be here. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Jesse: true. That's why I link to the Gillmor Gang over on Twitter (I link here). - Robert Scoble

Alex: you're just as delusional as me. It's a Scoble trait! :-) - Robert Scoble

Most normal people would say we're both wrong and they point to Facebook as proof. - Robert Scoble

It's incredibly hard to talk intelligently in 140 characters, and even harder when the conversation isn't organized. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: when I need more than 140 characters I blog and post a URL. It works. :-) - Robert Scoble

You know what, I'm hiding this post. I'm done, because all it is doing is angering me and wasting my time. - Mathew™ one of a kind

I have intelligent conversations on Facebook as well - see a few of the conversations (not near as many as here) over at http://facebook.com/stay - Jesse Stay

Mathew: now you know why I bitch. I come here, see all sorts of noise and it makes me angry so I lash out. - Robert Scoble

Robert, but your blog doesn't thread underneath the Tweet like my responses do here. If I need anything longer than this, then yes, I blog. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: Facebook is definitely becoming more interesting. - Robert Scoble

If we have to supplement a program to crutch its handicaps, then it is time to stop using the broken program. - Jeremy (quasimodo)

Jeremy: I tried for 18 months to get everyone to use FriendFeed. I failed and will continue to do so because most people don't want to have conversations with people they don't know. That's the secret sauce on Facebook. You know everyone you talk with (mostly). - Robert Scoble

http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... stats, mostly US. And from Compete.com: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... - Robert Scoble

Twitter has its place as well - don't get me wrong, and there are many smart people there to learn from, but as far as continuing that conversation, I can have much more intelligent conversation here than I can there. I wish more people used a combination of the two, or at least turned on e-mails so they get responses to their FriendFeed shares. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: email bacn is horrid. I turn off email notification from all social sites. - Robert Scoble

Sounds to me like you need to prune your feed again Robert so you only get the stuff you like, in the language you like from the countries you like. - Rasmus Lauridsen

"Better is hard to define" - Better in this context is your personal goals, that is being smarter, not the thread language choices :-) - Todd Hoff

maybe FF'ers are a bunch of know-it-all type of people.,.... therefore they need not get smarter ;) - Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)

hey everyone... forget this nonsense... watch the TWiT holiday special with Coulton and Hodgman - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Chris Heath

Gotta run, gang. Keep up the great work. I'm trying to make this Mozilla Raindrop thing work http://mozillalabs.com/raindro... -- YAARF? (Yet Another Aspiring Relevance Filter) Feedly's doing great, but needs Open Calais rockin' and aforementioned realtime translation. ;-) Onward! - michael silverton

Jeff: heheh. - Robert Scoble

Robert, FriendFeed replies aren't bacon - it's the only way I can stay organized. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I would get too many of them to make them at all useful. - Robert Scoble

Robert, understood, but most people wouldn't, and should keep it enabled. Or find some way to know when people are responding to their posts. - Jesse Stay

Anyway, I just checked out the link here again that I started this whole conversation out with and, boy, is it exciting! Not. Oh well, see ya again soon for more self loathing. - Robert Scoble

Robert, sounds like you need to set up some lists ;-) The guys I named are a good start. - Jesse Stay

The other thing that doesn't make sense with this conversation is you couldn't even do the search you did on Twitter. What would Twitter return if you could track responses to original Tweets that are greater than 5? - Jesse Stay

Jesse: one of the major reasons I keep coming back here is for the search. Twitter is rebuilding its search from scratch, so it'll be interesting to watch in 2010 (so is Facebook, btw). - Robert Scoble

Jesse: I spent hundreds of hours organizing my lists here on FriendFeed. I find all I need to do is track you because you get involved in almost every interesting tech conversation here. - Robert Scoble

They'll need to implement threaded conversations for a search like that to work. I'm listening though. - Jesse Stay

Well thanks Robert - I use it as a tool. I wouldn't be using it if I didn't find it productive, which is why I get involved in interesting conversations. You know all this stuff better than I though so I know I don't need to convince you. - Jesse Stay

Worried about getting smarter? Read a book. *says the Librarian, in a "the more you know" voice ;) - Archangel ωαřмaiden

Archangel: books are nice for knowledge that's 12 months old (or older). It takes that long to publish the damn things. - Robert Scoble

true. but it's a good in-depth supplement to the quick-hits of 140-character discussions. Plus, political theory - what's currently on the nightstand - isnt exactly on an expiration date (not often at least). ;) - Archangel ωαřмaiden

Twitter Trending Topics... Thanks for playing... - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

For the record, twitter trending topics are #oneofmyfollowers , #ghettobabynames , #nowplaying , #thoushallnot , Jersey Shore , #p4a , Colts , #DavidArchuletaLive , Xmas , #omgfacts - Bruce Lewis

Robert, if Jesse's in all the conversations interesting to you, just save this search: https://friendfeed.com/search... - Bruce Lewis

My eyes sorta glazed over about half way down this thread, sorry... but I just wanted to correct something mentioned above about "traffic" being up. Alexa says "Reach" is up but "Pageviews" are down about 20% since August http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... And that's global stats. US only is a whole 'nother conversation. Whether "traffic" is up or down depends on how you define traffic... and what you're trying to prove. - Ken Sheppardson

Here's what wolfram|alpha says http://friendfeed.com/ccheath... - Chris Heath

With each conversation, I learn a bit more about those to whom I am subscribed and I hope they learn a little something about me. I am quite happy with that. - Michael W. May

There are three major aspects of any social network: Relevancy, Technology and Community. FriendFeed has the best technology, period. The community is also excellent. The difference here is that it has changed from 12 months ago or 24 months ago. When I visit FriendFeed, I am not looking for the deep technical conversations we used to have because the community more accurately reflects... more... - Louis Gray

For Robert, who is a good guy even though at times he can be misunderstood or frustrating, this change in community has decreased the site's relevancy. Couple that with an unclear future, and he is doing what is right for him. I could make some quip about how Robert needs to get smarter more than most of us, but I won't. :) - Louis Gray

Louis, has the community changed or has just a section left? I see people from 18 months ago and my feed hasn't changed much in that time. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Johnny, without invalidating the above, I would suggest that you are part of the "new-ish" community that joined after FriendFeed's initial 6+ months. Yes, many of the people Robert and I consider peers and friends who used to engage in the deeper tech talk here have left, but other great folks like you made the place a whole lot of fun. You just have to see what I like or comment on to... more... - Louis Gray

So it has become a little bit more social media than social media... - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Yes Louis we all get that... What we don't get is why he keeps returning just to lay a brown one every two, three weeks. If he doesn't like it here, he doesn't have to say so again and again. He can just mosey along and think back on the good times. Being the "biggest fanboy" does not give you the right to then come back and be annoying after leaving. We all heard him the first time, if not second or third.. - Rasmus Lauridsen

Rasmus, I am explaining the behavior, not endorsing it. :) - Louis Gray

I know Louis :-) - Rasmus Lauridsen

I don't understand why you think that social networking sites that encourage people to post all the small mundane things in their life is the place to go to find an abundance of intelligent tech discussions. I would think a busy forum whose focus is on tech, inhabited by intelligent people, would be a better place to find what you are looking for. For me that happens to be the forum at... more... - April Russo (app103)

Good recommendation, April - thanks! - WorldofHiglet

michael silverton (way up this thread ^ ), you mentioned on-the-fly translation tools? - I created them (not in Ubiquity, but Greasemonkey/Greasekit): http://translatorize.com - implemented for Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca - Micah Wittman

Back when Robert was 'getting value' out of FF, he mentioned it (the first implementation was for Friendfeed): http://friendfeed.com/fftrans... .... hey, the Scobleizer blog post link is dead! So by my count: Friendfeed *not* dead, blog post dead (Seriously, I looked in the archives, Robert, but I don't see it? Did some stuff get lost when the site was hacked months back?) - Micah Wittman

Micah, I linked to it from my "FriendFeed's Fine" post - it's here: http://scobleizer.com/2009... - Jesse Stay

Jesse, you're checking the wrong one. It's http://scobleizer.com/2009... - Micah Wittman

Oh, you're talking about one of the ones where he said it wasn't dying. A lot of that stuff got deleted when he was hacked, which is probably the case for that one. - Jesse Stay

*slow-mo-facepalm* - Micah Wittman

Why not look to exercise your brain at least rather than having to get "smarter"? - Michelle Matthews

unexpected connections is what make your brain expand, hearing the same stuff from the same people is enervating... - WarLord

what a noisy dumb post - james

Oh vey. It is what it is fluid and alive. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

This thread isn't making me any smarter ;) - Jason Williams from iPhone

FriendFeed has evolved, just like every other site out there. Perhaps at one time, it was a forum for techies. Now, not so much. You and those techies went somewhere else to fill that info void. Meanwhile, others joined FF for the social interaction. Not understanding why you keep coming back here to stir the pot. It's not for you any more. That's fine. Let it go. There are discussions here; they just aren't topics in which you're interested. I read lots of spirited political discussions. >>> - rowlikeagirl

As for the bigger picture, I'm seeing FF turn into another aggregation site. Not a criticism, just an observation. ((((returns to watching Turkish animated GIFs))) - rowlikeagirl

FF for me, is a way to get away from "learning" yet another "thing"...to learn even one thing takes a lifetime...the intellectuals need to lighten up maybe and have a bit of fun? if not, FF is not for them... - sally stokhamer

Robert , indeed,you shouldn't be in need to look smarter.I ,and many of your followers think you are smart.Here's what you read : @scoblemedia/world-news-brands .Some more can be added to this list.But your time will not be enough.Keep up the good work please...Thank You,and Best Wishes... - Dedegi

I just ate a mango. The problem of infinitely multiplying narcissistic minutiae in social media. The solution: ultra-smart news filters and recommender systems. (And a big wave to Akiva Moskovitz, my biggest fan on Friendfeed.) - Sean McBride

News recommender systems: what are the most important remarks made by the most important people on the topics I most care about? Sort them by priority, please. One wishes that Friendfeed had taken an interest in this technology but, alas, no. - Sean McBride

"I can always make you smile" http://i171.photobucket.com/albums... :) - Citronella

Public conversations of every conceivable variety should be able to coexist comfortably in social media space, without any conversation impinging on any other conversation. What we need are the software tools to discover, prioritize and manage those conversations that are most interesting to each of us individually. There is really not much point in complaining about conversations that are not interesting -- simply don't pay attention to them. - Sean McBride

" I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything" ~ http://news.ycombinator.com - Peter Renshaw

Robert, I have taken it upon myself to help grant you your wish with this hashtag: #HelpRobertScobleGetSmarter - April Russo (app103)

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December 18 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Iván Abrego, Aram Zucker-Scharff, Steven Perez and 15 other people liked this

"Did a quick informal poll of my friends on Facebook tonight. I went through some the people I have meet in the flesh (about 70 of them) and only 14 had Twitter accounts. Most of the ‘normal’ people I know have knowledge of Twitter, but don’t use it or do not intend to. They want a deep social space with pictures, fun and popular culture. They don’t want to know someone has posted new photos, they want to see them. They go on Facebook as an activity, not use a tool. So, in my small sphere of if the world, Twitter is dead. Facebook has won. But Johnny, look at these stats and you don’t know what… BLAH BLAH BLAH… From what I have learnt, being a social media expert allows for lapses of logic and fact. My space may be a bath tub in a sea of fact, but why look over the sides when my the water inside my walls feels fine. I also plan to frequently tweet how dead Twitter is, just to stab the wound and convince myself I wasn’t wrong about joining Twitter back in January 2007 and banking my reputation on it. Twitter broke my heart, so the bitch must pay." - Johnny Worthington from Bookmarklet

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Johnny, you weren't wrong. Twitter has become a protocol. It's eternal http://twitter.com/davewin... - Mark Essel

Me using the twitter api to "tweet" to my tumblr: http://messel.tumblr.com/post... - Mark Essel

I never use it so it might as well be dead to me - VAL D. Zone

I disagree with this. While the vast majority of people I know are on Facebook rather than Twitter, the majority also really don't use either tool. More use Facebook, sure, but only 10% of my Facebook friends use it on a regular basis. I think "normal" people haven't really been won over by Facebook but rather don't truly use any tool. - Brandon Titus

But Johnny, look at these stats... - Ken Sheppardson

Wait there's more... me tweeting to my wordpress account using the immortal twitter API/protocol http://imaginationsend.wordpress.com/2009... - Mark Essel

Twitter isn't dead until blogging is dead. Ain't. Gonna. Happen :D - Mark Essel

btw, how many of your friends blog? Out of my personal social circle, it's just me. - Mark Essel

Yep. Facebook killed blogging too. - Ken Sheppardson

Awesome post, Johnny! - Adrian Scicluna

Thank you - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Akiva Moskovitz

Woke up this morning and read that Twitter had been hacked. I expected there to be a lot of discussion about it throughout the day here yet, nope: not a peep. What was the man saying about tech conversations and FriendFeed?

December 18 - Comment - Like - Share

Rodfather, Amber, Random Time Lord, tinypants - Hagitha of FF and 6 other people liked this

Hahahaha...well...when it happened last night (I dont know why I was still up), everyone was discussing it on here. - Shevonne

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Or maybe Twitter really isn't that important - RAPatton from iPhone

I saw a lot of chatter about it real-time last night, but now that it is back up people moved on to other things. - Jennifer Dittrich

There are plenty of threads, it's just that they're mostly not in English... http://friendfeed.com/search... - Ken Sheppardson

omg, that was SOOOOO last night, ;) - chaz2b

I ALWAYS MISS THE GOOD STUFF - Akiva Moskovitz

What's Twitter? - Shey, Jamaican of FF

...apparently FriendFeed is dead to people who like to talk about technology exclusively... - .LAG liked that

Twitter was down just when I actually wanted to use it for a minute. I noted it, made a few jokes on FF about it, and went to sleep. - Kamilah Gill

Good Stuff missed. But more fail is in the cards. - Micah Wittman

Johnny Worthington

If you loose a lot of money on a horse that doesn’t win, it’s not the horses fault; it’s yours for betting so large. Flogging a ‘dead’ horse won’t make you any less wrong...

December 17 from email - Comment - Like - Share

Grant Bierman, Thierry R. Andriamirado, Morton Fox and 7 other people liked this

Context, please :) - Brett Kelly from iPhone

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Brett... you know :D - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

If you say loose instead of lose one more time Worthington, I will flog you remotely. - Louis Gray

Pay for the plane ticket and I'll do it for you LG :) - Mo Kargas

Intresting - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Is saying loose instead of lose another one of those Australian things? :P - Mathew™ one of a kind

No. - Mo Kargas

I think he means "loose a lot of money" as in "let loose the dogs of war" or "make it rain" - Ken Sheppardson

Well then, you should've picked a tight horse. - Morton Fox

I have a feeling that Mo took offense to what I said. - Mathew™ one of a kind

It's OK. He'll forgive you through the acrid smoke from the laser blasts. - Josh Haley from iPhone

Wait a minute, I just remembered that he isn't having a good day. I may just want to back away slowly. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Akiva Moskovitz

GO YOU JAGS

December 17 - Comment - Like - Share

Matt Hilton, Ken Sheppardson, Rasmus Lauridsen and RAPatton liked this

I like Peyton Manning. I just don't like undefeated teams. Unless they're the Seahawks or the Cowboys. Because I'm not biased. And not like it'd ever happen anyway. - Akiva Moskovitz

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I wouldn't like undefeated teams, but I can't freakin stand that Jimmy Kick, Bob Greese, Mercury Morris, et al have their damn champagne toast when teams lose.... Those bass turds need to go down. I'll do the dance of joy if the Super Bowel ends up being Saints/Colts undefeated. - Matthew DeVries

If Deion Sanders' pre-game prediction that the Jags win it with a 42-yd field goal pans out, I'll be just a little freaked out. - Ken Sheppardson

Saints v Colts Superbowl would be slick, but the playoffs scare me. They should just do it the RIGHT way like the NCAA: end the regular season then have the coaches, press, and some computer pick the Saints and Colts to play in the Superbowl. - Ken Sheppardson

And suddenly the defenses woke up - Rasmus Lauridsen

I need to get back to the game... but only after Final Jeopardy. - Akiva Moskovitz

and then the Jags defense fell asleep again... oh and going for the ball instead of the tackle is sooo stupid. - Rasmus Lauridsen

What a rewind on such an awesome pass. - Akiva Moskovitz

Great game! For once we were cheering for the same team, shame we couldn't get the win then. I have a feeling that Saturday you will be cheering on the Cowgirls so we won't be then. :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen

Rasmus, yes, as usual we will take the opposites and, well, this time, you'll probably be on the right side. - Akiva Moskovitz

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