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A good example... Truth vs. Marketing. Which is reality? :)
T. Brent, technopeasant, Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic, David H. Chu and 70 other people liked this
How I feel... vs. how I present how I feel. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, you look like you're a twenty-some year old college student in the first picture versus an adult.
- Jimminy Fuller
Woah:s
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
No he does, but I think it's also time you get some sl... Sleep is a waste of time for the unproductive. I don't think you've been unproductive lately get some sleep.
- Jimminy Fuller
I'm looking left. I'm looking right. Back. forth. back. forth. In the space between truth and fiction I am playing PONG.
- Micah Wittman
lol this is classic - and very brave of you to post ;)
- Chris Saad
Brave, indeed. The arched brow says everything. :)
- Mark Evans
*nods to Holden* :)
- Micah Wittman
The first is my "old Twitter default avatar face". :)
- Louis Gray
And Jimminy, one benefit of ignoring jetlag and working both time zones... Four meals! It's dinner time again!
- Louis Gray
The one on the left looks like Louis "poor college student" Gray and the right is the CEO of blah-blah company.
- imabonehead
Louis, I just ate my 4th meal without jetlag or working in two time zones, benefit of not sleeping more than 4 hours a day.
- Jimminy Fuller
I need to change your advisor photo on http://socialtoo.com/about... now
- Jesse Stay
Make sure it is the second one then, Jesse. I always hated that other photo you took. It just won't die.
- Louis Gray
What are you saying about my photography skills? :-)
- Jesse Stay
In the left one, Louis looks Vulcan. :->
- Kurt Starnes
Of course, I could use this one: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi... or this one: http://friendfeed.com/lasse...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse makes me wonder abt @guykawasaki pic in your socialtoo about page is it the left or rght pic of Guy ;)
- Sudha Jamthe
wait. is that a bib in the first pic? :)
- Christian Anderson
Here are some others: http://www.ibtimes.com/content... :-)
- Todd Hoff
Now he's been to London we're seeing the emergence on the world circuit of the true LG (face) brand.
- Thomas Power
I thought that first shot was your inspector Clouseau impersonation.
- Mark Krynsky
That's my #didntsleeponthejet look, Mark.
- Louis Gray
Ok...but can you say "Does your dog bite" with a French accent for me anyways?
- Mark Krynsky
Let's turn this into a meme! I just posted my "truth vs. fiction" here: http://friendfeed.com/got-mem...
- April Russo (app103)
The first pic looks like that of an Apple developer who's just got his iPhone app rejected from the App store.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Haha, superb!
- Kol Tregaskes
is it much like turning up for an executive type job interview in t-shirt and jeans or in a suit. You're the same person underneath.
- Ian May
they might be both marketing avatars - left youtube vs right linkedin - lol
- barbarars
Obviously BOTH are reality. The right one is not a stunt model is it? ;-)
- Kristi Colvin
isn't it true that no one has one single face?
- Martha
from BuddyFeed
It was an honour to photograph you Louis, hopefully something for you to remember your London trip by
- John Cassidy
Boom-Boom-Wow
- Cheyenne
We all try to show our best side to the outside world, particularly when it's with regard to business. But is it really disingenuous to show a happy face any more than it would be to show a scowl? Neither represents you or the collective us 100% of the time. Does this mean we need a chart with all our moods on it to greet potential clients? :) I do like the arched brow. hehe
- Sheryl
Sorry to say this, Louis, but I will attempt to run away if I see someone coming to me bearing that smile you have on the second photo. I'd be like, "Darnit, here's another salesman wanting to pressure me into buying some thingamajig again..." No offense, Louis. But even for marketing, I really think you can do without the oh-so-friendly smile :-)
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
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Both!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Louis is a pro smiler :)
- Steve Chou
Both - but the guy on the couch looks like more fun ;)
- beautiful world
lol! XD
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Would love to pretend this was all me but really it was all @jayzombie
Baboon, Mark Douglass, Paul Stamatiou and 13 other people liked this
ha
- sean percival
Foursquare lets you take photos now?
- Michelle McCormack
michelle - only of yourself when you look like the mascot on halloween (ha ha no, that's just my mad photoshop skillz)
- MG Siegler
Awesome!!
- Andrew
this costume crashes too much
- sean percival
This is an awesome photo! I wonder...eerie that they look way too similar. LOL!
- Kenneth
thanks kenneth took a few poses to get it just right
- MG Siegler
dear lord. that's really good.
- Andy Brett
Nice!!!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Geeky pick up line: "Hey baby, wanna manipulate my protein?" #gnomedex
Rochelle, DaveDelaney.ME, Sarah Cooley and 7 other people liked this
Hey, baby, fold around here often? #gnomedex
- Akiva Moskovitz
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I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:
Chris Baskind, Thierry R. Andriamirado, Curt Mercadante and 152 other people liked this
1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
4. It displays them all better than Twitter does.
- Robert Scoble
5. Friendfeed Support in the works.
- Jimminy Fuller
6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings
- Lee Herman
it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't.
- Karoli
5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do.
- Robert Scoble
Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter?
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes.
- Robert Scoble
It makes it easy to mark spammers.
- Jimminy Fuller
6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.?
- Karoli
6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter.
- Jimminy Fuller
A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?!
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Only thing that is a threat to Twitter, is Twitter.
- Fake Elmo
I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose.
- Karoli
Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!!
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end.
- Robert Scoble
robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie?
- Karoli
Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right.
- Robert Scoble
I really *really* wish they would fix it so we can resize the main display panel .. it is really irritating to see it "squished" while the other panels are resizable
- Steven Hodson
Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore?
- Robert Scoble
I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter.
- Nitin Gupta
Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate.
- Karoli
Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy?
- Frankie Warren
Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising?
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed
- Christian Anderson
AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination...
- Jesse Stay
Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps.
- LogEx
You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers.
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million.
- Robert Scoble
You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence.
- Louis Gray
Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking.
- Karoli
Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it.
- Karoli
Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database?
- Robert Scoble
For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much.
- Mac Sharp
I agree with Jason. AIR apps look so unnatural. Usability is nil
- Bogdan Costea
The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app.
- Karoli
Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently.
- Robert Scoble
I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good.
- Karoli
But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook.
- Steve Chou
from IM
Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter
- James Poling
for Windows users bDule is looking to be a serious contender .. still needs work but like Seesmic Desktop it's an alpha
- Steven Hodson
Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum.
- Robert Scoble
I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL.
- Zaneology
Zane: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-)
- Jesse Stay
7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming.
- Robert Scoble
i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble!
- Jason Pollock
I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca.
- Jimminy Fuller
James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen ++++
- Karoli
Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ?
- Zaneology
YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it.
- David Sheardown
James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed?
- James Poling
i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time
- Jason Pollock
But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing
- Steve Chou
James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want.
- Jimminy Fuller
the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:)
- Jason Pollock
Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year.
- Robert Scoble
To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion.
- Allan Besselink
Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much.
- Steve Chou
Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's.
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then!
- Jason Pollock
Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it.
- rick
Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago.
- Joshua Lee
Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be.
- Robert Scoble
I just installed the latest version
- Jason Wehmhoener
same mess
- Jason Wehmhoener
Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter?
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me.
- Chuck Baggett
robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:)
- Jason Pollock
I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: track is the key.
- Karoli
Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right?
- Michael Metz
Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search?
- Christian Anderson
Karoli: track is coming.
- Robert Scoble
If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream
- Jesse Stay
Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter.
- Joshua Lee
/me passes Jesse some Valium
- Steven Hodson
I have track - it's called TweetBeep
- Jesse Stay
Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently.
- Frankie Warren
Jesse: track, track TRACK
- Karoli
Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well?
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately.
- Joshua Lee
Jesse, sure. :)
- Karoli
I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:)
- Shawn Hickman
I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients.
- Frankie Warren
I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :)
- Karoli
I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit.
- Dean Clark
Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move.
- Robert Scoble
Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.)
- Joshua Lee
our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future.
- Christian Anderson
Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past
- Shawn Hickman
Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no
- Jesse Stay
The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users.
- Karoli
Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that?
- Robert Scoble
Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods.
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them.
- Jimminy Fuller
robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now.
- Jesse Stay
Mike: what do you do at Seesmic?
- Robert Scoble
robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display.
- Robert Scoble
robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha
- Frankie Warren
blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing.
- Christian Anderson
Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support.
- Dean Clark
Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display.
- Robert Scoble
Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented
- Shawn Hickman
Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill"
- Christian Anderson
Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in.
- Robert Scoble
@Mike Taylor .. can we *please* be able to resize the main display panel .. PLEASE
- Steven Hodson
I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things.
- Karoli
Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about.
- Robert Scoble
Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-(
- Jesse Stay
Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look?
- Robert Scoble
Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT.
- Karoli
@Mike Taylor .. well at least I know I'm not alone then :)
- Steven Hodson
Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera
- Karoli
I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory.
- Alex Knight
Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks.
- Joshua Lee
Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party)
- Pico Seno
They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left.
- Robin Good
Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed.
- Joshua Lee
Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK.
- Geoff Peterson
Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification
- Jesse Stay
Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web.
- Robert Scoble
robert: wow - thanks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve.
- Robert Scoble
You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today.
- Christian Anderson
Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation?
- James Poling
Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier.
- Robert Scoble
lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do.
- Alex Knight
Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0."
- Robert Scoble
Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely.
- Joshua Lee
2010web .. hmmmm
- Steven Hodson
Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon.
- Robert Scoble
i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse.
- Jimminy Fuller
2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year.
- Joshua Lee
Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter?
- Alex Knight
hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:)
- Michael Metz
yes thanks Mike and if you open a Friendfeed room add me in please
- Steven Hodson
James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time.
- Robert Scoble
good point Robert
- Steven Hodson
Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars.
- Robert Scoble
Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on
- Chris Nwakalo
And it upgrades constantly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;))
- Frankie Warren
Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here
- jyamasaki
I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one.
- Robert Scoble
yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web.
- Christian Anderson
Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet.
- Alex Knight
i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh.
- Alex Knight
blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe...
- Frankie Warren
Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank.
- Robert Scoble
Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage.
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface.
- Jimminy Fuller
its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based
- Anthony Feint
Yeh, that was abit offtopic
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop?
- Robert Scoble
Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe?
- Brett Schulte
Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P
- Alex Knight
Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF?
- Gary Gannon
Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it!
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money."
- Robert Scoble
Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it.
- Brett Schulte
I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules.
- Steve Chou
Brett: hmmm. Why?
- Robert Scoble
Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+
- Frankie Warren
Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform.
- Robert Scoble
In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years.
- Alex Knight
Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked.
- Robert Scoble
Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now.
- Jimminy Fuller
Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it
- Jesse Stay
Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well.
- Christian Anderson
Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version.
- Robert Scoble
This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways.
- Jay McCormack
Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet...
- Dean Clark
Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down.
- Robert Scoble
i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs.
- Alex Knight
Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again
- Frankie Warren
Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit.
- Shawn Hickman
Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy?
- James Poling
Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie: I wish they would work together.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: heheheh. That's Loic.
- Robert Scoble
brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry
- ursi
@James .. threaded comments FTW!
- Steven Hodson
Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand.
- Brett Schulte
James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy.
- Robert Scoble
Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one.
- Andrew Feinberg
+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you.
- Alex Knight
"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient.
- Brett Schulte
james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop).
- Robert Scoble
I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment.
- Jimminy Fuller
Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen!
- Robert Scoble
Nobody remember the losers.
- Steve Chou
James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
James: pop out the window via the time stamp?
- Frankie Warren
Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :)
- Brett Schulte
Robert: Thank you this is so much better.
- Jimminy Fuller
@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan
- Andrew Feinberg
@Brett he used to be big on Facebook too :)
- Steven Hodson
Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me.
- Karoli
Brett: It gave birth to this chaos.
- Frankie Warren
Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them?
- Alex Knight
Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do.
- Robert Scoble
Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients
- Jesse Stay
@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture.
- Andrew Feinberg
I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free.
- Geoff Peterson
Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I think they need to be bought
- Shawn Hickman
Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter
- Jesse Stay
Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system.
- Robert Scoble
Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics?
- Dean Clark
Robert you coming down for e3?
- Brett Schulte
Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."?
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, something like that, yeah :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company
- Shawn Hickman
Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling.
- Robert Scoble
Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter?
- Colin
Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters.
- Karoli
Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now.
- Dean Clark
So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people?
- James Poling
I heard Robert is buying Twitter
- Jesse Stay
wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed!
- Andrew Feinberg
No, Twitter bought Robert. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though.
- Alex Knight
The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too
- Shawn Hickman
it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay?
- Jesse Stay
I bought his puppet, too
- Jesse Stay
@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better.
- Andrew Feinberg
Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is Dead
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future.
- Alex Knight
Haha Bwana!
- invariant - farewell FF
LOL @Bwana
- Alex Knight
I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop
- Jesse Stay
Bwana makes me laugh.
- Robert Scoble
i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged.
- Andrew Feinberg
Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting!
- Robert Scoble
I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana
- Alex Knight
You heard it hear first (might as well claim it)
- Jesse Stay
ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter.
- Geoff Peterson
Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around
- Shawn Hickman
So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not?
- Colin
Tweetie is making money.
- Colin
Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two?
- Jesse Stay
Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe.
- Alex Knight
Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor
- Christian Anderson
bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on
- Bwana ☠
Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for
- Jesse Stay
well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning!
- Robert Scoble
I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason.
- nick
Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot.
- Brett Schulte
Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples
- Karoli
Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, I think my head just exploded
- Jesse Stay
Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place.
- Andrew Feinberg
hahahaha
- Brett Schulte
Good night. 330 comments. Wild.
- Robert Scoble
Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make.
- Colin
@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all.
- Karoli
Good night - happy weekend!
- Brett Schulte
Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-)
- Jesse Stay
(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble)
- Andrew Feinberg
/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet!
- Alex Knight
and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock
- Andrew Feinberg
Microsoft kills almost every business they bought.
- Steve Chou
from IM
@Steve Chou - Google's record isn't much better really
- Steven Hodson
(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller)
- Andrew Feinberg
So I need a who special box to run seesmic? *rollseyes* So it's like on of those Bloomberg boxes that investment firms have clicking away? And where in my already oversized backpack am I supposed to carry this Seemic machine?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time.
- Andrew Feinberg
I'm going to look so cool taking up 4 tables in the coffee shop to run all the shit I'm supposed to be running to be truely plugged in....
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew ROFLMAO .. just like the rest of the cool kids at Starbucks :)
- Steven Hodson
That? That's the PS3 and HDTV just so i can watch Qor.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm going to sit down and deal 5 notebooks out of my back pack like a Baccarat shoe.
- Matthew DeVries
Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide.
- Lawrence Di Stefano
from Nambu
What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant.
- sofarsoShawn
I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however.
- Chad Harris
there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose....
- nikolas
Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...)
- minus-one
Robert is high
- Alejandro
amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false.
- Robert Scoble
I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer.
- Hummie
Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter?
- Lakshman Prasad
Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens.
- Thom Kennon
Yeah it's a memory hog
- Svartling
Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter
- Zee.
Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going.
- Robert Scoble
I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping
- Chris Lloyd
Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking.
- Starshadow Rivaulx
Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong.
- H M Elius
I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool.
- Svartling
Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Loic is gonna love this
- David Lloyd
so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing...
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- Loic Le Meur
WOW, what a conversation that was!!
- Micky
Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh?
- Alan Edgett
I still rather prefer Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop. (Twitter + Friendfeed) better than (Twitter + Facebook).
- Adrian Scicluna
The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all.
- Sean Brady
Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic
- Webferret
So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up.
- Robert Scoble
It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually
- Angus Burton
Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here.
- Robert Scoble
Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic
- James Hemby
Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even.
- Raj Rikhy
Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme.
- Loic Le Meur
having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop
- Loic Le Meur
Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon.
- Robert Scoble
Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions!
- Jacob
I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward.
- Mike Bracco
Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks!
- Mike Bracco
Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Chad: Thanks and makes total sense.
- Mike Bracco
Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good.
- John
Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model?
- Jim Connolly
LOL.
- Mona Nomura
damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic!
- Jason Pollock
Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the...
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- Robert Scoble
I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas.
- Wo
How do you search Facebook on Seesmic?
- Wo
Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu.
- Jason Mayoff
from Nambu
Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :)
- James Poling
from email
does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
It has 103.33 million accounts
- David Lloyd
cool thx mark
- Pretty Monkey Studio
can't believe this thread is still active
- Loic Le Meur
Wow this is still going on?? LOL
- Alex Knight
Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash.
- Alex Knight
This entire thread is silly and nonsensical. It's one thing to argue the merits of an interface's appearance, but the way this reads is like comparing an orange to orange juice. Seesmic Desktop is the orange juice to Twitter's orange; without the source, you can't have the juice. Or, is Loic planning to create a competing SNS?
- Ari Herzog
Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what'
- Johnny Worthington
Not the point, Johnny. If Twitter has one of its legendary fail whale attacks, it matters not what juice you're drinking since it ain't there.
- Ari Herzog
Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw.
- Myrna
Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe)
- Ron Hagenhoff
+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters.
- Maxwell Kennerly
I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in.
- Robert Freeze
The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking.
- Oliver Thylmann
Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen.
- Robert Scoble
Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change?
- Jim Connolly
I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread.
- Jacque
Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic
- Wo
Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds.
- Curt Mercadante
*bumps*
- sofarsoShawn
Just got a new book from O'Reilly - can't wait to review it! Congrats @timoreilly and @sarahm!
Mike Fruchter, Rob Diana, glfceo and 5 other people liked this
Looks like a children's picture book.
- Louis Gray
It will be a very easy read - one-page tips with pictures!
- Jesse Stay
I'd like to do a FriendFeed book in this format - each page is a new FriendFeed post with an image attached and maybe comments as tips.
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed updates and adds features too quickly for a physical book. Twitter doesn't innovate at all, making a book like this easy.
- Louis Gray
Is it a pop-up book with the tabs that make parts move?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Louis, I'd like to do a book with digital pages that dynamically update from the web. I'm already ahead of you there ;-)
- Jesse Stay
OMG they had to include a page for the Fail Whale and what it is. That's pretty bad (for Twitter).
- Jesse Stay
Ok, time for a scanned version :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
For Team Lijit, your spokesmodels haz arrived in duplicate.
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Anne Haynes, Daniel Brusilovsky, Kol Tregaskes and 46 other people liked this
Now THIS qualifies for the meme!
- Matthew DeVries
o_O
- Bwana ☠
You know, the right angle and perspective, the shot with the light behind little lijit could have been really impressive :)
- Dave Edens
kids love stickers! suppose it's about time parents capitalize:) too funny
- Rick Bucich
Cute, but what the heck is lijit?
- Sunshine
Picture number two looks like she's screaming "LIJIT" =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Sunshine, Lijit is a blog search and analytics company. http://www.lijit.com/ They have a new ad network as well.
- Louis Gray
Now we just need a flash animation with random pictures and MC Hammer's "2 Legit 2 Quit"
- Bwana ☠
Sarah does have the wildest facial expressions, Aden. No question. :)
- Louis Gray
I could probably make that for ya Bwana, but it feels a little weird, the idea of Photoshopping someone else's kids...
- GeekDads.TV
GeekDads... these kids are Open Source. Go for it. :)
- Louis Gray
Nice work Louis. Let me know if you need more Lijit stickers for future photoshoots!
- Tara
Bwana said what I was going to say. Two Lejit 2 Quit. I use their service. I recommend others check them out.
- Mike Lewis
Lijit (and Micah) is The Awesome. I use them on several of my blogs now, and more to come. (They'd already be on all, but hey, limited time these days)
- Leslie Poston
If I didn't know you Louis, I'd cry child geekdangerment.
- drew olanoff
oh, and Louis's kids are pretty awesome too. ahem. :)
- Leslie Poston
Classic.
- Greg Keller
Two Legit. Awesome.
- Kevin Fox
Love the second shot.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Cool! wait... where's our stickers?
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Nevermind the stickers, I want Sarah's dress!
- Charlotte M
Thanks Louis--I guess you're saying you recommend it then?
- Sunshine
Sunshine, Lijit is the best blog search tool, period. I've used it for a few years, well before I got fun stickers.
- Louis Gray
I can't wait til the twins are like...15, 16? Louis is gonna be in for it.
- Derrick
Derrick, by the time they are that age, I am sure I will have made many more important mistakes for them to remember. :)
- Louis Gray
That's right, Derrick, when they see this stuff their father put up on their behalf, there will be some serious payback.
- Francine Hardaway
How many of you have ditched RSS for Twitter - and if so why?
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Steve, I was just about to give up RSS for Twitter, but then a few weeks ago, you wrote that Twitter had peaked, so I decided to just wait until the next thing I'm supposed to give up for the next thing I'm supposed to trade it in for.
- Rex Hammock
Rex, you're a good man.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
for me Twitter supplements my RSS consumption but doesn't replace any of it. Twitter is more about discovery of things I wouldn't normally know about via RSS.
- Tac Anderson
I agree, it is more like mining for information on twitter.
- Drew Lucas
Don't have time for both RSS and Twitter so I focus on the current conversation over the archive.
- Jason Catena
Twitter & Hacker News have taken up most of frequent, distracted attention I used to spend on reading feeds. I still go back to feeds to do my deep reading tho
- Kingsley Joseph
I have to agree that RSS has fallen off my radar due to the time I put into Twitter and other Social Media tools (FF).
- John Flynn
I second John Flynn's remarks.
- Jeff Stannard
I feed social networks with RSS... so if I stop, and everyone else stops... where is the information going to come from?
- Bwana ☠
Nope, RSS is still extremely useful especially coupled with #Feedly
- Rick Bucich
twitter is snacking, rss is having diner.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin - fully agreed.
- Richard Zeidel
I will never ditch RSS. It is too easy and great. I don't check as often as Twitter, but I can save posts and refer back to them when I need to. I can also easily find blogs there, rather than my bookmarks, which is flooded. Twitter is GREAT, but who knows if it will last? MySpace was great once, too. RSS is more stable than a social network, and easier to sort (no hashtags required).
- Angela Wilson
I wouldn't. For the Twitter and RSS have different uses. And I wouldn't spam the people that follow me at twitter with links to posts.
- Bibi
No way. Never.
- Louis Gray
Not ditched, but Twitter's become my primary social RSS. They're different rabbits.
- phil baumann
two different things...two different uses. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i use friendfeed for both feedreading and twitterstream.
- lodro
I'm just cutting down on number of followers and feeds. Seems to help with managing information overload.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Twitter is too ephemeral... would need some organization (folders/tags/saved-searches) and mark-as-read functionality at the very least for me to even consider it. RSS is essential to me for required reading and for discovery.
- LogEx
Not at all, if anything Twitter/Friendfeed etc has helped me find new RSS feeds to add.
- Adam Turetzky
That's like hiring the garbage company to DELIVER trash to your door.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
if anyone did it, he's an idiot
- Zio Bonino
Twitter for Microblogs and Status Updates, Google Reader for regular blogs, Friendfeed for actual conversations!
- Dane Findley
Ditching RSS in lieu of Twitter?? What's next, ditching email for DM's? Not a smart move.
- Kevin Pruett
I think Kevin just summed it up nicely. I'll just add: The number of websites who provide real-time updates to Twitter is minuscule. When that changes, then we'll talk about swapping RSS for Twitter.
- Alexander Grundner
Nope, absolutely not. Twitter serves its purpose as microblogging and link sharing but RSS still has a purpose for me. Not everything I read is shared through Twitter (actually, I should hope not!). If I got all my news through Twitter, it would be more of an echo-chamber than it already is. Further more, I work in marketing. I use RSS to keep up with client industry news and to aggregate information. Twitter cannot do this for me.
- Violet Mae Lim
I got sick of reading long blog posts about the best way to develop software.... at least with twitter you get rid of long windedness. :)
- Paul Kinlan
i did not. and i won't you can't find in 140 char what a full page gives you
- Ouriel Ohayon
I've pushed most of my feeds to Twitter.For me, trying to keep up with RSS was like having another email inbox from hell. Now I catch what I can and let the rest pass over me. http://bit.ly/YQcK5
- Tech Introvert
...i've mostly ditched blogging for Twitter.
- .LAG liked that
I have ditched RSS for FriendFeed. I prefer the Real-Time Web. Welcome to the RTW!
- Dimitar Vesselinov
I'm with Dimitar... go FF go!
- Janice
Everyone! Haven't you heard -- Twitter is dead. Oh wait. I'm confused. RSS is dead. Umm. Steve Gillmor? It's TechCrunch -- it's dead. That's right.
- Dave Winer
Feedly + Firefox really makes Google Reader useful, IMHO
- .LAG liked that
no way. though i have reduced the number of feeds i actively keep up with.
- coffee
++Lag. Love my Feedly plus FF/Twitter. I have cut down on feeds however.
- Bonnie Foster
I love my netnewswire. It's all the stuff I've personally asked for rather than the stuff others feel they need to throw at me.
- Josh Kinal
from twhirl
yup, same here
- Jeremiah Owyang
I'm still using my RSS readers a lot. Google Reader on line and Byline on the iPhone. Less "clicks" on the iPhone.
- Mike Beck
OK, so this post brought out mostly RSS lovers (which I remain). Yet why is it that some are now railing against RSS? Here's another thought RSS = a standard. We have no standards for status updates and thus Twitter and Facebook are in the driver's seat. RSS is final and stable.
- Steve Rubel
Nope. I see different uses in the different services. I like the organization of a reader. and I like your comment about the standards and stability and lack thereof on Twitter and FB. Also, I like to pick my news sources and trust that I am getting something accurate. SkyGrid is a nice combination of real fast / real time and reliable.
- Martha
On the contrary, besides using Twitter, I've added lots of RSS from Twitter to Google Reader.
- Mike Reynolds
My comment is a bit suggestive because of my work with Alltop. But even so, Twitter could not replace the gens I find via RSS too.
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
Not me. Twitter is still too noisy.
- Tamar Weinberg
why ditch anything?
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
Sheri- Because people like to talk about this "king" "killing" that "king" and "destroying" this "queen" blah blah blah. ;) In my opinion, one new form of technology or communication doesn't always have to replace another.
- Violet Mae Lim
That question is ridiculous. RSS is far easier to manage and customize and can deliver a lot more information. Watching the interests of your social graph on Twitter is great, but far more and higher quality information can be consumed, (re)organized, and aggregated with a good RSS reader.
- David Chartier
Still like both. With Twitter I feel like I keep up with individuals better, and catch new stuff earlier than I might anywhere else. Reader still gives me a ton of good reading from all the places I like best though ...
- Patrick Jordan
I still use RSS but more for reference. I get the link to the post in Twitter and then go look at the feed
- Janet Fouts
I'm still a fan of Netvibes, and I have not ditched RSS for Twitter, I've made some RSS out of Twitter searches, does that count?
- Albert Maruggi
FriendFeed replaced RSS for me a while ago.
- Thomas Hawk
Ditch RSS for Twitter? Never. RSS is the fuel for the real time web - they're complimentary products. http://bit.ly/10dkr8
- AJ Kohn
I will most likely not ditch ditch rss for twitter, both are good and valuable, but rss is useful since one can't always read it
- Justin Yost
Ditched RSS for FriendFeed ;)
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I really never understand why you should give up RSS for Twitter. Why? Could someone please explain this über productive idea?
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
i'm still a heavy Google Reader user.
- Alex
The more interesting question may be how many have replaced RSS with FriendFeed...
- Josh Street
from twhirl
<sigh> I dunno. I see twitter as a subplot of FF and FF is also a subplot. Even slashdot used to be cool.
- Derek Lords
Haven't heard Slashdot mentioned in years
- Mike Reynolds
Ditching RSS for Twitter will work as the idea that people wouldn't look at paintings once photos came out
- shelisrael1
I think there is some confusion here. Are we talking about giving up on the technology that is called RSS, or are we simply talking about switching the platform on which we consume these ie. ditching google reader for friendfeed or twitter. Friendfeed lives on RSS feeds, the links you get on twitter most probably come straight out of someone's rss reader. The question is, if we ditch...
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- Kasper Sorensen
I discover more of value through friendfeed than twitter, really. But once I determine the long term value of a site it goes into my google reader, if it's Really important (i.e. top 10) it goes in my operamini feeds on my phone.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I agree @ron
- Justin Yost
it is like dithing your car for fishing: they are not the same. More precisely, Rss gives you focuses attention on the sources of information. Twitter gives you second hand check-it-outs that are possibly not so focused or accurate, but *seem* more urgent because they are in real time.
- Michele Costabile
I use RSS, don't like twitter, and seems no reason.
- yagami
How many of you have ditched bathing for Twitter - and if so why?
- Dave Winer
I ditched porn for Twitter since, you know, it makes so much sense to do so.
- Scott Jarkoff
I use both RSS and Twitter. I use Twitter more frequently though.
- Donelle
RSS is quite useful, both serve their own purpose
- Erik Magraken
this is BS, twitter can't and won't replace RSS, neither will friendfeed for that matter
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Twitter gives me a portal to the author but won't replace RSS
- Joe Dawson
I increasingly use Twitter Search rather than Google Search or RSS to find cleantech news to blog about.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Nopes, Twitter has a long way to go before it replaces RSS. My days begins by reading 500 feeds, imagine how many tweets would I have to go through to get all those news!
- Rajtilak Bhattacharjee
For ordinary web users who are only interested in a handful of feeds, maybe 10 or 20 then twitter beats a feed reader hands down. Much simpler to use, easy to understand and real time. Plus twitter has the social media/communication features. However power users that are tracking 100 or more feeds need a reader for their research. The google reader / feedly combination is hard to beat for these people.
- Adrian
Google reader is evil and must be destroyed. Who has time to sift through 400 unread posts per day?
- Tech Introvert
How can Twitter replace a few decent RSS feeds? Not understanding the Twitter love...
- George Gray
I don't understand, RSS and Twitter are two different services. Have I missed something? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I spend time on Twitter where I would have otherwise been in Google Reader. It's easier to follow trending topics on Twitter.
- Peter Warnock
did a blog post a while back called 'my network is my search engine' but truth is, probably meant my 'network is one of my rss feeds' - not an either or proposition for me
- leigh himel
Many RSS feeds push their content thru Twitter, which makes Twitter a real-time RSS reader (that doesn't act like a horrific email inbox, ahem Google Reader). FF is an even better implementation of this, if only more sites pushed their feeds thru FF.
- Tech Introvert
No, they're two different use cases for me. Twitter is real time conversation. RSS is non-real time information.
- Ian Betteridge
What Ian said. IMHO, their strengths are so different it would be silly not to use both.
- Karen Mohler
If anything, Twitter points me towards more stuff to add to my RSS!
- Amie Gillingham
Yeah, what Ian said. I'd just get lost in the info if I got all RSS via Twitter.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
I am using RSS in FriendFeed. What I have ditched is Google Reader. RSS is underlying technology, not an application. We'll keep using that underlyng technology for a long time. We may ditch the readers, but not the RSS itself.
- Bora Zivkovic
I haven't ditched sourcing news via RSS for Twitter, but I have subscribed to more news via Twitter and find myself getting it more frequently on twitter.
- tekhelet
This isn't the right kind of debate. It's distracting from the fact that both are useful.
- William Mougayar
nope, not going to happen. A) twitter doesn't have all the blogs I read B)there's no good aggregation of blog notices - I can't come back 2 days later & find older content.
- clarke thomas
For Twitter? No, maybe for Friendfeed in some time.
- Diego Espinoza V.
Because I got the gist of the post and a quick link in the same stream. No more reader for over 12 months
- derek
i ditched twitter
- Marcus Brown
Traditional RSS readers are even more boring than Facebook. Stopped using them a long time ago. I do consume RSS feeds still in FriendFeed but though a socially filtered lifestyle.
- Thomas Hawk
I have pretty much ditched RSS for FriendFeed. I use Twitter also.
- Bill Romanos
for must part..BUT subscribing via RSS to derivations from Twitter can be useful, for example, I subscribe via RSS to http://www.whatthetrend.com/ . It gives me the day's trends PLUS explanations as to why which is key. Extremely useful to go through just in case I missed something during the day.
- Mike Bracco
your followings are your feed source - Human Syndication. spending most of your time on Twitter, you dont have time to switch to RSS. Also, with RSS feeds coming from media companies, news may not break as quickly with human syndication which Twitter provides. With RSS feeds coming from Blogs, the news will have broken out on Twitter prior to that blogger's RSS feed hitting you somehow...
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- iTbay
No. RSS still has a place on my computer (or at least in my web browser). I prefer it for it's easy-to-read aspect and it's speed (Google Reader is awesome). Twitter is for discovery, as is friendfeed.
- Amy H.
RSS bankrupcy. Hundreds of blogs unread. By reading Twitter only on the web and not on the phone, and using Twitter search, I get what I get. The rest finds its way, so I don't have to pile up enormous wads of reading in my Google reader. RSS is still absolutely vital, however, for those who block you on Twitter. You search their name, RSS the search results, read them on Google. My new Google read attention space is the ppl like @ajkeen who have blocked me on Twitter.
- Prokofy Neva
I subscribe to Twitter hash-tag and keyword searches via RSS and read them in Google Reader. I see the them as complimentary.
- Mike Boudreaux
I usually have Google Reader/feedly & TweetDeck open at the same time.
- Jason R. Hunter
Hundreds of RSS feeds and no time to consume; Twitter better fits my lifestyle. Plus, the community that surrounds me shares very similar interests, so I can count on useful info from them.
- Paul Chaney
"Having RSS feed" =/= "using Twitter", so I read the RSS of a lot of sites every day via NetNewsWire.
- Rick Cogley
I use RSS to read Twitter (meaning) I can follow some people on Twitter via Google RSS reader (without really following them). Does that make sense?
- Doug Vos
Don't be sheep: Follow your peers, not necessarily the 'A-list' - http://blogs.zdnet.com/feeds...
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Nice, Yahoo! ad rep called asking for whomever does our ad buys - we put Zack, our intern on with him, it's amusing, he just said something about "Pay Per Cut Advertising"
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That's hilarious. Please tell me someone is recording the conversation for quality control purposes. :)
- Kenneth
thats for emo based ads
- sean percival
Hmm @datasynch is promising Flickr to Facebook synch. Me wants!
Daniel Schildt, Robert Jones, Jon West and 16 other people liked this
I have looked for the other way around, to get photos from my Facebook account to Flickr, so I can publish the graffiti photos I snap in Leake Street tunnel in a web site more suitable for public consumption but there seems to be no such option... At the moment the best option seems to be a Wordpress plugin to mirror the photos to http://leakestreet.hultberg.org , but it is a lot of manual faffing about.
- Magnus Hultberg
I saw a tweet from @missrogue that said that @datasynch is promising that linkup as well. Looking forward to it!
- Kenneth
That would rock!
- Jess Sloss
I would bite.
- Daniel Morgan
Niche are you serious?
- Jesse Stay
Niche, based on what stats? That would certainly be news to me.
- Jesse Stay
There's an app I know businesses would pay for.
- Dennis O'Neil
There are already a few Facebook apps to transfer your pictures from Flickr to Facebook. Does this just do it automatically?
- Jerry C Mancuso
This would be great. The Flickr app that posts picks to your Facebook Wall is ok, but I want the pics to be first class citizens complete with being able to tag people in the photos.
- Jackson Miller
The Facebook app I use I think is called Flickr Copy and it directly imports the photos of my choosing into a new or existing album within Facebook. After that, I apply the tags for who are in the pics. Only thing is it limits you to 60 pics per album, but I think that's a Facebook limitation.
- Jerry C Mancuso
Sounds good.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes! I've got tons of pics there, that would be very nice of them. Easy transfer as they're currently locked, even if the listings are public.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
From Facebook to Flickr would be better.
- Daniel Schildt
Manolith Salutes: Richard Branson - http://www.manolith.com/2009...
Tony Adam, arik, Charles Bihis and 13 other people liked this
"its a living..."
- sean percival
from Bookmarklet
That picture is GREATNESS
- Brad Williamson
Richard. Branson. Is. The. Man.
- Kenneth
Richard Branson... I salute you!
- Vieko Franetovic
How are you rewarding those people who link to your blog? Here's what I do:
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Since the beginning of 2008, I have been bookmarking links to my blog on Delicious, tagged "coverage"
- Louis Gray
You can see the thousands of links here: http://delicious.com/louismg...
- Louis Gray
I add secondary tags for the subject, like "blogging", "friendfeed", "twitter", etc.
- Louis Gray
The delicious bookmarks get shown on FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Good idea
- Bwana ☠
Now, I set up my settings so that every delicious bookmark I make goes to Twitter via FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
So if you are linking to me, not only will everyone here see it, but everyone on Twitter will see it. Guaranteed exposure.
- Louis Gray
And in theory, it gives more exposure back to me by making it look like my blog has a higher rate of visibility.
- Louis Gray
Love it Louis. I rt those who have linked to me: http://twitter.com/brianso...
- Brian Solis
Very good idea..my delicious bookmarks all go to Facebook as well.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Great idea!
- Craig Huffstetler
I like them in friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
briliant, thanks for sharing
- anna sauce
Robert, I try to do the same, assuming they are here, but FriendFeed is not yet the superset. I also tend to share them in Google Reader when possible.
- Louis Gray
Hmm Must add Friendfeed to my blog
- Lindy Asimus
And we know the power of a Scoble "Like!"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Plus sometimes you strike up conversations with the bloggers, freely sharing ideas and explaining. That impressed me way back when...
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
That's a fantastic idea. Think I'll start doing it.
- Paul Balcerak
Yes, Mary. It always makes sense to make comments and engage with those discussing your content, if you have the time.
- Louis Gray
Nice. Encourage people to link to you by linking to them in return. Not a new concept but definitely an innovative way of doing it.
- Mark Bockenstedt
Great idea Louis. You have become my social media constant, I have to hang on to you so I don't get LOST.
- Matthew
new strategy: link to louis in every single blog post... muwahahahaha
- andy brudtkuhl
I used to do this a lot but then he got me all caught up in this 'new adopter' stuff and I couldn't get anything done (Louis rocks :)
- Charlie Anzman
I got the idea from Louis awhile back, but here's mine: http://del.icio.us/jessest... and for socialtoo: http://del.icio.us/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
those that link to vertical slice I tend to thank, I'll even come to them and offer to involve them in the show production at times by offering to involve their articles or creations. Sadly there's only one guy that does post some episodes to his blog that I'm aware of.
- alphaxion
Louis, what discovery tool do you use to find those linking to you? Google Alerts?
- Rick Bucich
We reward those who give our comic what we call a "Mighty Link", with a nice link back under the comic... http://www.geekculture.com/joyofte...
- Snaggy
PS - that question goes out to everyone else as well. I love the idea and use it to a degree but never in a systemic way. Do you think http://delicious.com is the ideal platform?
- Rick Bucich
Mike Fruchter started the same: http://delicious.com/mfrucht...
- Louis Gray
@Rick i prefer diigo... it allows you to build communities around the links
- andy brudtkuhl
Rick, Google Alerts are okay (not perfect). Technorati actually still does a better job.
- Louis Gray
Dang, I didn't even think of doing that, ok - off to go link love people. thanks!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
But, i used to do the same thing back when i was a delicious user - http://delicious.com/48web...
- andy brudtkuhl
I also have FriendFeed post my delicious saves over to Twitter to further the reward
- Jesse Stay
Good to know, I'm a newb when it come to Technorati although i do have an account
- Rick Bucich
Andy, if you do link to me in every post, you'll probably lose readers. I dare you to try. :)
- Louis Gray
@Louis haha i doubt it .. everyone loves them some louis
- andy brudtkuhl
Does Technorati work for websites not on a blog platform? We have both
- Rick Bucich
Andy -- for example, should I bookmark this one? http://billolearysblog.blogspot.com/2009... Knowing that it will get redistributed, I'm less likely to. But I may comment there instead.
- Louis Gray
I'm going to do the same - Was thinking linking tweets as well, but then that would be too much...
- Bwana ☠
I love this! Way to rally the community!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
A most valuable conversation thread indeed!
- tony obregon
I like the "coverage" tag idea. Must incorporate into my blog routine.
- Ms_Krista
Great Idea! Luis, how do you know who is linking to your Blog? I just linked to you ( http://bit.ly/4webways )
- frank barry
I got really excited when I noticed a link from louismg in delicious. I wondered why, as I don't write about anything social networking related. When I figured it out I started doing the same thing: _both_ sites which linked to me have some shiny delicious.com love from me. Heh.
- DGentry
i make cupcakes for each link and mail them to each person
- Allen Stern
I so never got my cupcakes! Maybe you should email 'em Allen ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'll link to them if I really like their blog, otherwise I stumble a post
- Kate
I delicious people who write about FriendBinder: http://delicious.com/rythie... sometimes I Twitter about them too or Digg them.
- Richard Cunningham
joined in with this idea too http://friendfeed.com/alphaxi...
- alphaxion
now if only i had my delicious bookmarks all organized like that.
- Alfredo
It's not too late Alfredo :D (or is it)
- Bwana ☠
idk take a look http://delicious.com/fredyga...
- Alfredo
Yeah your tags are ... how do you say... scattered :(
- Bwana ☠
aye, looks like you struck into the problem I did - you can't have multiple word tags unless you take out the space and bunch it into a single word. Not even quotes works
- alphaxion
Great strategy Louis, I am going to start doing a similar thing at http://delicious.com/garinki... only I am going to tag the Blog with whatever category it belongs to instead of "coverage"
- Garin Kilpatrick
Sounds like a plan to me! Will start implementing today!
- Mike Paul
So that's why one of my posts got a tweet from Louis Gray! That puzzled me a lot. Only now that I remember that I've linked to Louis in that post. Sweet! Nice touch. ",)
- jan geronimo
I stream my ego feed on Twitter
- Beth Kanter
I do something similar. When I notice incoming links, I share them in Google Reader. This ends up on Friendfeed, of course, and gets shared with the few folks who follow my GR. I have a sidebar feature on my personal blog set to pick up the gReader bookmarks and parse them as HTML, which Google indexes. Finally, I pipe my gReader shares to Twitter via Twitterfeed.
- Chris Baskind
Help! What about posting to SU vs. Delicious? i don't want to submit 2 things to my feed....ideas? should i just use delicious?
- Lawton Chiles
Lawton: I have accounts with SU and delicious but recommend using delicious because I find it more efficient, especially when used with the Firefox plugin.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Revisiting this old thread because it's so useful.
- Rick Bucich
RSS is dead? My ass... - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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Ahh, when bloggers say something is dead we don't really mean it's dead as in nothing uses it. We mean it's dead in that it's a topic we don't talk about anymore.
- Robert Scoble
agree with Scoble. especially when it comes to Gillmor. you aren't supposed to take it literally.
- Jamie
The Social Media Boom: Jeremiah Owyang - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Dubai, not bad ;-)
- Dan Romescu
At Next09 I challenged Twitter users to stop answering “What you are doing” b/c the answers are mostly meaningless. What should we answer?
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"Who is" or "How are you" making a difference today?
- Russell Cook
What is important to share right now?
- Louis Gray
What might other people be interested in?
- jcunwired
What do you want Google to know right now? Heheh. Or, what do your friends need to know?
- Robert Scoble
"How many social media experts does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@DanielPritchett - LMAO
- John Fox
What are you thinking?
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
i would make Twitter spit out a random Zen koan on page load.
- Karim
I don't see the issue with the current question. For certain users, it's still applicable. They should perhaps consider adding a second question though, with answers to each aggregated into separate streams. That way, you know what you're getting.
- TheLovableRogue
"What are you thinking?" is being push by @jayrosen from NYU. He has dubbed it "mindcasting".
- Meryn Stol
Over on friendfeed the question is "what would you like to talk about?"
- Robert Scoble
"<-- put shit in here" or better yet, remove the text and don't replace it with anything!
- alphaxion
I talk about pills or solutions to people's challenges. Fill a need. Ask "How can I help?"
- Shane Gibson
Thinking about it though, is the question even that relevant? People will continue to write about whatever they want regardless of how the question is phrased.
- TheLovableRogue
"what can you share that is valuable to your community right now?"
- Jason Peck
Where do you want to go today? ;)
- Meryn Stol
what can you post that's meaningful?
- Miguel Rodriguez
What have you learned?
- Lou Clark
Wuz Up?
- Sharon McPherson
For your consideration:
- Denise Aday
I like Robert's response. Rather than simply talking about "I'm brushing my teeth", it should be about "what would you like to talk about?". It's all about conversation.
- Kenneth
Why is it all about conversation? My mom likes my status updates.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
What are you thinking? seems to be the obvious one.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
The keyword is share. It needs be something like 'What would you like to share?' Ideally, though, I think Twitter should randomize 5-10 different questions (share/say/discuss/something about photos, etc), or run them sequentially each time the user logs in, so they get the full idea of what you can do on the service. And one of them should still be 'What are you doing?', as not every tweet can be a Pulitzer prize-winner.
- Shéa Bennett
twitter is different things for different users..I dont think we need guidelines for it.
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
Daniel - I personally think it should be about conversation because I think that it would be great to have more dialog rather than one-sided conversation. Your mom may like that your status updates but that's for Facebook, not for Twitter.
- Kenneth
For proper conversation we need one-click access to threaded tweets. I blogged about this essential feature, and some others I'd like to see, earlier today. http://twittercism.com/five-fe...
- Shéa Bennett
what's wrong w. someone using Twitter to say what they are doing? I mean I see where you are coming from that if everyone always did this type of tweet it would get old really reaaally quick-LOL. but don't you think the democracy, if you will, of being able to say whatever u want-in 140 char. is what makes Twitter so beautiful?
- Benin Brown
from fftogo
Yes, there's always a place for the inane, and of course the definition of what that means is a very relative observation. Believe me, lots of folk think tech is inane. *Lots*. :)
- Shéa Bennett
"What's on your mind?". It fits if you are posting a link or trying to have a conversation. *edit* of course, since I haven't used facebook on anything other than my blackberry in a long time, I completely forgot that was what they asked. oops :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
'What have you done for others' might be cool?
- Nicholas Chase
Cracked up on Shéamus saying inane is very relative... you know my family???
- Jim Espinoza
I just commented on this earlier today: "Instead of answering Twitter's 'What are you doing?', you should answer 'What am I good at?'"
- Erik K Veland
What about not asking a question, but instead put an instruction - 'Post Your Update Here'? I've had dozens of folks new to Twitter tell me that the reason it took them so long to send their first tweet, was because they weren't clear on how to do it.
- Sharon McPherson
"Post Something"
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I think the question, although it may be an initial prompt for tweeps, becomes quickly ignored for other tweets. The earliest study on Twitter (a Master's thesis at the London School of Economics and Political Science in late 2007) indicated that less than half the tweets were actually answering that over-arching question. Here is the link to the thesis, if you are interested. http://www.lse.ac.uk/collect...
- enza (aka iVenus)
"Twitter is not what you're doing, Twitter is what you're thinking." -- http://friendfeed.com/akkarti...
- Kartik Agaram
"Why am I still using Twitter?"
- Josh Haley
Some amazing stuff here! Thanks for your thoughts everyone!
- Brian Solis
Let's answer questions that force us to think about the updates we wish to galvanize action, response, connections, learning, et al, such as "what inspires you," "what did you learn today," “who should we pay attention to and why,” "what are we better off for knowing now because we follow you," etc. We need to stop tweeting "at" followers and start listening to the things that help us...
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- Brian Solis
Brian, I think that you have some great Ideas there about the Social Web, but getting folks to realize it's a privilege is going to be a tough one to get across. They don't even grasp that concept with Drivers License in California, and you have many, many police folk and a much over used court system reinforcing that idea on a regular basis.
- Brent - Loving Life
What matters to you right now?
- Angela
Hey SF Muni Fare Inspector #32, Photography is Not a Crime - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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I'd love to hear how this plays out, if at all.
- Brian Johns
“Before I could get the 1st shot off, Fare Inspector #32 started marching towards me, hands in the air, yelling at me to STOP TAKING PICTURES!! So I put down away camera, walked towards him and answered his statement with a question. I asked him if he could cite me the specific Muni code that prohibited a Translink Card carrying passenger from taking pictures of Muni Personal on Muni...
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- Thomas Hawk
ugh...another one?!
- JA Castillo
I've sent an email to the PR contact at SF Muni and cc:d their Executive Director asking for a statement from them. I've also asked for the identity of Muni Fare Inspector #32 as well as requested that disciplinary action be taken against this transit cop. We'll see if/how they respond.
- Thomas Hawk
Go Thomas go. Internets got yer back.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Hang on... a BUS CONDUCTOR treatened to take your camera away? Oh man, I'm glad I live in Africa, over here he would just ge laughed at or ignored.
- Andy Kruger
This happened to you or someone else?
- Candace
Candace. to my friend Plug1. He's also on FriendFeed here: http://friendfeed.com/plug1
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe we need to start a mailing campaign letting every cop, rent-a-cop and anyone else that should know better that "Photography is Not a Crime!".
- Grant Bierman
I feel your pain. I get that since 9/11, security has to be tighter. So much BS. Cops and rentacops really need to lighten up.
- Brent - Loving Life
How San Francisco Commuters Consume Media on Their Way to Work on BART - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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You're lucky you had room to walk down the carridges on your commute. I spend most of mine pressed against an armpit or a window. :)
- Simon Wicks
Doing Nothing 112 = 47% Reading a newspaper 31 = 13% Reading a book 31 = 13% Using a mobile device 30 = 12% Other 16 = 7% Reading a Magazine 12 = 5% Using a laptop computer 4 = 2% Using a Kindle 2 = 1%
- Thomas Hawk
yeah, this mornings commute was not packed so it was easier to walk through the trains.
- Thomas Hawk
I used to take a BART ferry back in the old days... but that was before FF. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
RT @Paul_Himmelfarb Dissecting Comcast's latest ad campaign and digital strategy: http://www.youthmarketing.com/interac... www.comcasttown.com
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Why Dominos video response at http://www.youtube.com/watch... is going to be textbook:
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1. They did it in video. THAT is the way to respond. Not text. Video says MUCH MORE than text can.
- Robert Scoble
2. They went overboard with the response. They closed down the store and "sanitized it."
- Robert Scoble
3. The CEO did it and repeated that nothing is more important that our trust. He demonstrated he understood the issue.
- Robert Scoble
4. He thanked influencers for helping Dominos understand the issue and making sure that others knew about it.
- Robert Scoble
5. He responded while the issue is still "hot."
- Robert Scoble
6. He responded on YouTube, which is where the crisis started, not on their own video platform.
- Robert Scoble
7. He communicated that there was "immediate" action including arrest warrants, and people getting fired.
- Robert Scoble
Impressive.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
He didn't look straight into the camera, however - as pointed out by Steve Garfield.
- l0ckergn0me
8. He knows that the real problem is that they hired idiots and are "reexamining" all hiring practices. THAT is the best way to make sure you get a good brand.
- Robert Scoble
9. He used personal language "it sickens me." Not marketing speak.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mix of being apologetic and totally pissed at the same time. Overall thumbs up from me.
- Mike Doeff
10. He is working to "regain our trust."
- Robert Scoble
Is there anything else he could have done to answer this crisis?
- Robert Scoble
He didn't offer us a coupon to make us feel better. I didn't feel condescended to.
- Kevin Fox
Good lead, Robert. Glad to see discussion around the response.
- Valeria Maltoni
Now if he could just work on making the pizza not taste so bad.
- Dave Roth
now is the best time to go to Domino's in Conover. clean as a whistle.
- nesman89
Fantastic job, I thought.
- Matthew Freeman
Ok, so how bout some back ground?
- Matthew DeVries
I don't mind that he didn't look straight into the camera. That shows he isn't "slick" or "overcoached."
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it would have been better if he had looked into the camera, but given that a teleprompter is an expensive item, and rigging a two-way mirror with a magnified view of a printed script is a hassle... I think the minor shortfall can be forgiven. All seven of Robert's points remain absolutely valid.
- David Muir
Matthew: Here's the background: http://beta.friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Robert Scoble
Textbook is the best way to go. Swift and done. Now in time, people will forget, crave cheap, fast, and delivered food, and it's over.
- Mike Lewis
Very well handled. I agree with you, Robert, this will make its way into textbooks alongside Tylenol's response to the poisoning crisis three decades ago.
- Stephen Mack
Matthew: I already posted a link to the background. http://beta.friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Robert Scoble
Or here if you wanna go straight to the source: http://consumerist.com/5210648...
- Stephen Mack
They just taught a lot of clueless PR people how to handle a crisis like this. Well done.
- Inside Alaska
I think theyve been handling this like pros from the getgo. Good job
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Pretty slick. Many can learn from it.
- Katie Dob
The woman is also a registered sex offender apparently: http://ncfindoffender.com/details...
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
so far this year, that's, what, rats in the peanuts, perchlorate in the babby formula, prescription drugs in the drinking water, snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?
- Karim
Bravo, Dominos. Nicely done. Speak up or be spoken for.
- kevin j higgins
But he's using a teleprompter. He's evil.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
tehKenny: I don't think he was. I bet that he was looking at some notes, though. It didn't come across like he was reading. For someone not experienced with a teleprompter you can not use one and not come across like you're reading.
- Robert Scoble
Their response was appropriate and in a timely manner which is key now.
- Christi
Anyone who has ever used a teleprompter realizes how hard it is to use one and how hard it is to look natural doing it. I bet he had someone off to the side of the camera he was talking to who was holding notes up to remind him what to talk.
- Robert Scoble
I wasn't there, obviously, but watching the CEO look off-camera yet speak as if to a person made me think he was looking at a person to stay "real" and "personable" and not canned or offering a performance.
- Bloom Seed
It's just pizza
- Ari Braginsky
Carmen: "W" had a LOT of media training and a team of people to tell him how to do it. I doubt this CEO has had much media training.
- Robert Scoble
rewatching it makes it clear that he's reading notes (his focus starts at top, moves down as recording proceeds). Still, though, comes across as a real person. Not everything needs professional actors, producers, makeup, sets...imperfect may be the new perfect, as far as communicating genuineness.
- Bloom Seed
Comes across as very heart-felt, and almost makes me want to order with them (I'm not sure we have them here in this town)! Shouldn't they have added something like "We'll now be installing cams in all our kitchens streaming direct to Ustream, making us the ONLY food delivery you can trust to not mess your food"? :)
- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp: well, that would certainly be cool but would be way beyond something they could deliver on in two days.
- Robert Scoble
I mean, I'm not a big fan of Dominos, but this helps them establish themselves as giving a crap. Good PR move.
- Mike Nayyar
Great video response straight from the company president. As for watching food getting prepared, the Papa John's locations that I've been to are open and you can basically see them making your pie. Not sure if Domino's has stores like that...
- Doug
Carmen, it's the "polished" vs "timely" tug of war: http://fftogo.com/e...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
solid performance-- came across naturally and believable, blend of professionalism and good ole fashion ass-kicking anger. It was smooth but not overly slick; no suit or tie and shot in store surrounding. Content was solid too, assuring customers everything that could be done was being done. One minor tweak: he doesn't appear to be looking directly at the camera.
- mark ivey
I wonder if they thought about making it a response to "that video" on youtube to get the eyeballs needed to make this count..
- Tom Masiero
Ari - it's more than "just pizza" - it's the livelihood of 125k employees. We are focused here on a textbook response, but this is also a clear demonstration of the power of leverage that SM holds: two idiots can do major damage to the brand, the company, and by ultimately to the employees. Hat's off to Mr. Doyle and his advisers.
- Bill Sanders
good response for sure, way to go
- sean percival
Rewatched it and yes he is reading it. Regardless, I think it was handled pretty appropriately.
- Jay Neff
good job. small nit: next time they need to move the teleprompter (or cue cards) either over or under the camera.
- MikeAmundsen
Video is good if Good Messenger (which Domino's guy IS) But also put the incident on my radar screen, which hitherto I was unaware of.
- JimmyJet
Wasn't aware of the incident but sure feel bad for the independent operator..
- MiaD
The woman in the Wendy's chili fraud case ended up sentenced to 9 years in prison and her husband (who bought the finger off a co-worker who lost it in an industrial accident) got 12 years. http://www.bluemaumau.org/wendys_...
- Kevin Fox
I wish that he was looking at the camera instead of a telepromter. Just sayin.
- Andrew Baron
Andrew: he's not looking at a teleprompter. I bet someone is holding a notepad with an outline on it for him.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't had Domino's in a long time. But, I'm happy to see that they put up this Video response to the malicious destruction of their Brand and business practices.
- rob friedman
good job. that was a classy way to 'avoid the noid.'
- grant fox
Hey Robert, can I use some of your reasons in a blog post in writing up about the Domino's issue?
- Kenneth
Kenneth: yes, feel free!
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Kenneth
"Everyone else is doing it right." Yeah, right. [What are the odds of that?]
- Craig Brownell
I kept hoping he'd actually look into the camera.
- James Miao
I agree with James. I was hoping that he would look at the camera like he's talking to his customers. I get that he needs to make sure he says exactly what needs to to said, but the way he kept looking away from the camera made it seem a little "stiff".
- Kenneth
like when dirk diggler looked into the camera during his documentary. that was powerful stuff.
- grant fox
Kenneth: that's a mistake someone who isn't media trained makes. I actually don't mind that because it makes it less slick.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is that they're multiple cameras and he's looking at the expensive one
- Bwana ☠
Robert: Really? If corporate heads are on camera, they should NOT look at the camera especially if they're not being interviewed? It looks natural not to look at the camera? You're definitely right...I'm not media trained. :) Looks like he was reading off of a script and didn't notice a camera at him.
- Kenneth
Who was he talking to? The sound guy holding the microphone to the right of the camera?
- Diego Barros
Kenneth: the only time you should look at the camera is when you want to speak directly to the viewer. You are right that he should have been speaking directly into the camera. Knowing where to look is part of media training. A good PR team could have helped (IE, one that had worked a lot with video before) but I can't really blame him. I still have trouble figuring this out. When I was on the BBC it was very difficult to look into the camera (it was aplate on the wall).
- Robert Scoble
i just have to say, that by him not looking in the camera, or really doing any of this before it seems adds to his character that he's a regular guy, not some PR trained monkey doing a dance for us.
- rob friedman
I dunno, I think it's more important that the response seem unrehearsed. I'll bet he did it in one take.
- Ken Morley
Well done Robert: not a surprise to see this crew recognizes excellence when they see it. Dominos did virtually everything right on this aspect of its response. having seen a few crises, this example is among the best. blogged it here: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...
- Christian Anderson
Just to let folks know: the teleprompters I am familiar with allow the newscaster or talking head to look directly at the camera AND read the script. The result is like a HUD (heads-up display) for those familiar with video games or jet fighters.
- David Muir
Right David, but there are all kinds of "teleprompters" some low tech and some higher tech. the point is he was reading. It was okay, he did a great job in one take. It would have been better if he hadnt read it and looked directly at the camera, but because everything else was so well done, the reading gets a pass
- Christian Anderson
Not a fan of their pies, but kudos to Dominoes for the forthright reply and apology for the miscreants who brought this upon them. Hope they rebound well from this.
- JA Castillo
Definitely a canned response but still heartfelt and sincere. Plus we learned its a federal felony to stuff cheese up your nose on camera. Imagine what happens at McDonalds on a daily basis - now that's frightening.
- Chris Sparno
Very lucky that they had a CEO that even was willing to talk for YouTube in the moment; let's not now criticize him for his media training, or none will ever have the guts to do it again.
- Francine Hardaway
Rich: This is deadly serious for him. He's right to take it seriously and I'm sure he genuinely does.
- Michael Krigsman
So the real question is, who feels comfortable enough to order Domino's this weekend?
- Chris Bartow
I do Chris, even more-so now than before. This weekend will be the cleanest in the franchise's history :)
- Bwana ☠
@Karim: "snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?" Years ago, I ordered a pizza (not from Domino's) and was surprised to see a piece of broken glass in it — and this particular glass shard had part of the pizza company logo on it! When I phoned them about it, they replaced the pizza in record time; of course, they asked for the broken glass back, too, so I couldn't keep the evidence.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor *shudder* i think i would have just given up eating pizza after that :-D
- Karim
The comments on You Tube are negative I don't agree with them, what is your opinion abut them? (They say Doyle is not sincere)
- Maurizio Goetz
Rule #0 - Youtube comments have the value of a single molecule of feces
- Bwana ☠
+1 Bwana!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
His response was right on and pretty smart for doing it via a video. It's sad but we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food. :-( I kind of feel bad for the kids because what they did shows a complete lack of intelligence. It would be nice if they took responsible and apologized in some sort of public forum.
- John McCullough
@John McCullough "we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food" and people who pilot the planes we fly in, treat our municipal drinking water, etc. I daresay we only appreciate them when things go horribly wrong.
- Victor Panlilio
@Chris White "The founder of Domino's supports Right to LIfe and Operation Rescue, which IMO, is worse than putting farts on sandwiches" Really? Watch the video at http://www.abortionno.org/ and see if you can stomach the idea that we dispose of unwanted human beings so cavalierly.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, your comment as well as John's above you, reminds me of that line in Fight Club: "We do your laundry, cook your food and serve you dinner. We guard you while you sleep. We drive your ambulances..."
- Aaron Kurtz
@Aaron - almost everything we take for granted in "civilized society" depends on the everyday goodwill (and conscientiousness) of anonymous others. I've always thought that we need to become more mindful of the benefits we daily receive from these enablers of our well-being. Count your blessings, etc.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, I couldn't agree more.
- Aaron Kurtz
Facebook Public Profile Statuses Become Public - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...
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Wow, a worm is absolutely *eating* Twitter, and all the big tech sites are still snoozing.
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what ya mean...
- Rob Sellen :o)
There's a worm spreading through Twitter -- apparently through infected user profiles -- which causes multiple spam messages to be sent out from your account.
- Chris Baskind
yikes...and how do you avoid that??
- Rob Sellen :o)
Right now, by staying the hell off Twitter. :-)
- Chris Baskind
I don't even remember the last time I was on Twitter....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
ok.. I will too then ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I use Twitter a lot. But I think I'll stay away or use a desktop client until this worm is better understood.
- Chris Baskind
Again?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Yes: don't go to any profiles, read on search.twitter or FriendFeed, e.g., http://friendfeed.com/coturni...
- Bora Zivkovic
Yup, I had been checking a profile to see if I'd follow back and whammo. Very annoying.
- Heather Solos
Is it happening on any browser other than Firefox? I know a Mac/Firefox user that got hit.
- Chris Baskind
Okay, I'm going to do my usual habit and ask: Is there independent verification of this worm?
- George Hall (Australia)
Would that be the Stalk phishing one, by any chance?
- George Hall (Australia)
yeah
- Rob Sellen :o)
I've seen a ff regular who got exploited. He decried the spam tweet in a ff comment after it fed in.
- Micah Wittman
StalkDaily site is BIG problem on Twitter right now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Those of use still unaffected by it trying to warn people about it over on Twitter. Looks like it's a FriendFeed usage day
- George Hall (Australia)
Now, this question definately has to be asked...since we have Twitter feeds here in FriendFeed, can it in any way, shape or form affect here? Might be a good idea to check that out and start limiting any flowover into here.
- George Hall (Australia)
The only thing that flows here is text. You'll see the spam, but I doubt there is any issue with an infection.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Good. Might be an idea keeping an update of the situation via my feed here. That would be safer than Twitter right now and more helpful. I've been wanting to see how Friendfeed can be used in a crunch.
- George Hall (Australia)
OMG is there anything we as FFer's can do to help!!!
- sofarsoShawn
yeah.. we can them OFF twitter ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Here's one starter feed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twitter...
- George Hall (Australia)
And lets show the strength of FriendFeed by showing it's best features in a crunch, as opposed to critizing the opposition...
- George Hall (Australia)
FriendFeed filter as an RSS feed added in TO a feed. Possible or not?
- George Hall (Australia)
Mohomed: Thanks. Added that url to my update feed on the problem.
- George Hall (Australia)
Still waiting for that technical advice on how to add a filtered search into the feed...
- George Hall (Australia)
All my tweets are disappeared a week ago. I was rarely posting to Twitter. But from now on, I won't :( Still no fix.
- \(*_*)/
Maybe FriendFeed created the worm to spite the competition! I kid I kid... maybe. :-) Long live FF! Viva la revolution!
- Dane
the tech team at twitter is either working overtime, or on a long weekend of easter, just like every other company!
- Anurag Gupta
Mohomed: Want to bring a friendfeed search on stalk into that room/feed in some form or another. Either as an RSS feed, or some other way to add it into the total picture already set up. I actually want to see if we can help with Friendfeed's capabilities.
- George Hall (Australia)
Is the Twitter API affected? I use HootSuite primarily, can I get infected through that?
- Christiaan Conover
So far they've said search.twitter.com and third-parties okay, but there was a recent tweet about it being a js/rss exploit of the api, while another considers it an XSS exploit.
- George Hall (Australia)
Even tried looking at old version of Friendfeed to work out that problem, Mohomed. It's something I can't work out intuitively...so anyone with better technical understanding, give a clue please.
- George Hall (Australia)
Well, it was at least a start, doing that room/feed. It made a start at collating information to help people handle the stalk worm problem and give some demonstration of Friendfeed's better capabilities. More experienced Friendfeeders can better that feed.
- George Hall (Australia)
Introducing FriendFilter, A Better Way to Make Friends on Twitter - http://www.briansolis.com/2009...
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I propose multiple profiles per account: http://is.gd/gueT
- Eber Irigoyen
The largest SXSW party/event list? http://upcoming.yahoo.com/user... Discuss which events are best to attend here:
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Rackspace is the early favorite for throwing a kick ass party, but let's be honest, wherever Scott Beale goes is where I'm going.
- Robert Scoble
:) I'm with the LaughingSuid - spend so much time talking to Scott Beale, I need to meet him!
- Rob La Gesse
i thought you weren't going ?
- Allen Stern
Allen: I am now. Things changed.
- Robert Scoble
The best party is the Playboy party during SXSWm. Unfortunately it is invite only and has the rarest invites. Other than that the Rachel Ray party always has great food and the purevolume parties tend to have some of the better known bands. The British party this year has The Proclaimers playing (I would walk 500 miles) and it is the first time they have toured in many many years. If you are talking solely SXSWi stuff then I am guessing that the live Diggnation at Stubbs will be the biggest party.
- Hans Watson
Hans: I went to the Playboy one last year. It was good, but too big. I like Scott Beale's events better.
- Robert Scoble
The Mashable party on March 16th is gonna rock. Our soon to be announced SXSW celebrity charity event is going to kick off there so i'm a bit biased. And we're not just talking social media celebrities either. Musicians, actors and the internet famous getting together for good causes. :)
- Christine Lu
Sweet Leaf Tea & Do512 are throwing a party at Do512's HDQ's. They have a festive & great team over there & I am sure Tito will be bringing the Vodka to this gathering knowing the SLT folks
- Lyn Graft
Nice to hear you're going again. Hope to see you there. You don't happen to need a roommate to split costs with do you? I still don't have a room :)
- Mark Krynsky
@Scobleizer - you going to SXSW this year after all?
- Kenneth
*yay* Scoble is going. I'm off to Shanghai tonight to kick off SXSW China panel. I'll say "hi" to the folks over there for you. http://sxswshanghai.eventbrite.com/
- Christine Lu
Mark, I just locked down my hotel and flight this evening. There's still stuff available, at least to registrants. Now get on it! ;)
- Derrick
Mark, nope, sorry. Kenneth: yup, going! Christine: you gotta come to the Rackspace event with me, then we'll go to the Mashable event afterward. The Rackers are doing their first party and gonna blow it out. Anyway, cloud computing is where web folks should be hanging out.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick and Christine in the same city? NOW we have a party!
- Robert Scoble
I hope the "nope sorry" was referring to the room and not meeting me. Hehe
- Mark Krynsky
@Scobleizer rock on! SXSW has just got better! haha...
- Kenneth
Mark: yeah, I was talking about the room. We'll definitely hang. Gotta do something "friendfeedy" there.
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to RSVP for all of them and then I'll use Twitter to find the best ones - of course I'll need to at least stop into that Mashable party for a min or two ;)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Jennifer: last year Scott Beale and me made instant parties just by finding an empty bar, sitting down, and Twittering. Lots of the parties had long lines and really weren't that great.
- Robert Scoble
that was fun :)
- Chris Saad
Chris: Amsterdam was fun. SXSW was a warmup. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hah truethat... u going to amsterdam?
- Chris Saad
Chris: no plans to, but I want to go back. I love that city.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, Robert. But Mark is the party starter. I learned everything I know from him.
- Derrick
Robert -- what's RACKSPACE? you have a knack for going to parties and hanging out with companies with interesting names. like LOVESAC during CES. so since you're at SXSW after all, can we count you in for the celebrity charity thing? i'll email you an update of who's confirmed. pretty awesome list my friend. :)
- Christine Lu
me too - but its no where near as fun if you're not on the speakers list so u can hang out with boris at those dinners
- Chris Saad
Robert, last year I stumbled upon an impromptu private party with Gary Vaynerchuck at a near by wine bar. He shut the place down and bought wine for everyone. That was the standout party for me.
- Jennifer Van Grove
Christine: Rackspace is a huge hosting company that went IPO last year. They are headquartered in Texas and are competing with Amazon's Webservices with its cloud offerings. They own a 1.1 million square foot mall which they are building into a huge datacenter. Pretty impressive stuff. Here's Scott Beale's blog about Rackspace which points to my video tour: http://laughingsquid.com/robert-...
- Robert Scoble
Jennifer: I hung with Gary Vaynerchuk last year too. That dude knows how to party! But I kept up. :-) We'll do something fun at SXSW again, I'm certain of it. Who knows, maybe we'll get him to do a show at some cool bar in town. Weirder things have happened and you do know that Austin is weird, right?
- Robert Scoble
@robert emailed u and the crew about amsterdam - we *need* to do that again.
- Chris Saad
Derrick, perhaps you are referring to my knowledge of beers and spirits which will be necessary for perfecting my rumpshaker to be as good as yours if that is even possible. Look forward to hangin' with you again as always my friend.
- Mark Krynsky
Derrick: last year I partied with guitarist from ZZtop and saw REM Speedwagon and had a private tour of Austin City Limits studio. The year before I was hanging out with Robert Rodriguez' crew at the Austin Film Festival. So, dump that Mark dude and hang with me and let's make magic happen this year. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I dunno. Mark's pretty bad ass. He got me all O_o on some liqueur from South Africa a month or so ago. He's got skills that would turn ZZTop's beards into french braids. No comment on my rumpshaking abilities (how do you think I got through grad school?)
- Derrick
Derrick: well, you can drink exotic alcohol with anyone at anytime. But hang with me and you'll have experiences that Mark won't be able to match. :-) Of course, I might gang up on you and invite Mark too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
At the Rackspace party we'll have Hookahs, hummus, henna. Beer, wine and wells. Belly Dancers, too :) And some surprises. Best of all, I'll be there :-)
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, Twitter notifications will be on for both you and Gary during the duration of SXSW...I'm happy to tolerate the noise for a chance to hang with you two. :)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Jennifer: unfortunately Google Latitude still crashes on my Nokia, but I have figured out how I can send my location out.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be sitting on my couch here in Australia watching the tweets on FriendFeed. You guys are welcome, I have dip...
- Johnny Worthington
Ooh Rackspace has hookah's. Nice. Apple and Mint flavors too I hope.
- Mark Krynsky
Fyi, there is a SXSW room here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... & the Meetups room I created here where I just added a feed for SXSW tagged events: http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Mark Krynsky
Great event list. Looking 4ward to SXSW-I and Nuclear Tacos!
- JimmyJet
Why is upcoming.yahoo.com SO slow? I know it can't be due to actual use. What gives?
- Jay Cuthrell
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