Reminds me of a line from a John Hiatt song: "She is beautiful, she is small/She don't want to play basketball"
- Joe Bonner
from fftogo
This is what Sarah and I were doing after escaping from sacrament meeting. She got fidgety, so we wandered around the church. Some of you can no doubt relate.
- Louis Gray
That looks like the Relief Society room. We usually just go out to the car and sleep when that happens. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Both. I just turned 20 and wish I learned piano growing up, if only just to be the groundwork to my current musical talents. At the same time, I was never huge on basketball growing up, even though I played, yet I have been playing every day the past week with friends.
- Daniel Zarick
Louis, if we ever move out there Rebecca will be happy to teach the Twins piano - she is now going on child #3 of ours at the piano. I can't say the same for basketball though unfortunately.
- Jesse Stay
In 10 years -- as you're trying to sleep -- would you rather hear the bouncing of a basketball or piano music?
- Robert DeBord
this doesn't effect me but that is a well done post by steve
- mike "glemak" dunn
Can I ask a really dumb question? I use to subscribe to a lot of RSS feeds back in the day, but I only ended up reading about 2 - 3% of them. What is the difference between not reading it in the RSS Reader and not reading it on FriendFeed?
- Johnny
I think all this really does is through more bunk on the already existing pile of bunk that is subscriber stats.
- Rahsheen?
Don't you think "seeding" promotes a-listers? "We select our seeds by picking the top users of each site (and often the founders or other key members) and start computing rank forward their positions in the social graph. "
- anna sauce
Seeding might have a tendency to promote A-listers ..... yes. The counter to this is that I can demote them and evenly promote other users but this might not be fair either.
- Kevin A. Burton
You'd think that a good algorithm would weed out the spammers (a.k.a. abusers)
- anna sauce
Existing AT&T iPhone customers who are in the middle of their two-year contract with AT&T and want to upgrade to the new iPhone 3GS may have to pay $200 more for the phone, and some of them have taken to Twitter to protest the price difference. The new phone, which goes on sale June 19, will cost new and "qualifying" customers $199 for the 16-gigabyte version and $299 for the 32 GB mode, says AT&T, the exclusive carrier of the popular smartphone in the United States. Surprised and angry AT&T customers have been venting on Twitter, the microblogging Web site where, as of this morning, nearly 4,000 of them signed a "Twitition," a Twitter petition protesting the pricing.
- Leo Laporte
We have a similar issue here in the UK with O2 and those of us on 18 month contracts with the 3G. We're being asked to buy ourselves out of the remaining contract. It does not seem likely that O2 will budge on the issue - essentially it's a contract issue and the phone companies don't have the flexibility to solve the problem, now that we are on the hook.
- Andy Piper
O2 (and AT&T) could let customers transfer the remainder of their existing contract to a new one (ie add their remaining months to a new iPhone contract). There'd be a few kinks to work out, but it would be a win for all.
- Jules
I like McCraken's take. I’m not sympathetic either. if customers are allowed to upgrade their iPhones whenever they want - for a subsidized price, then *every* mobile phone customer should have that same option.
- jbrotherlove
Jules, the argument (in comments on my blog post) then goes OK, so we transfer months across to a new contract... then Apple brings out a new iPhone in 12 months... should we then transfer the remainder? It doesn't work out. As painful as it is, I can see the issue here. Subsidies are in play and yeah, every phone customer should get the same treatment, not just iPhone users. It sucks for me, but I can see how we got here.
- Andy Piper
OH NO!!! Should we start a fundraiser?!? Or maybe the cult of MAC will quit whining and buy a phone they can actually afford without being drawn by the novelty marketing. Boohoo.
- sofarsoShawn
If you want the latest and greatest, you have to pay up. Nothing new here folks.
- Steve Council
Uh, hello--welcome to every cell phone contract ever. You tie yourselves into 2 years, you get the subsidized phone. You want a new phone before 2 years are up, you pay the price. Did iPhone users never have a cell phone before a couple of years ago? Apple/AT&T didn't help w/ this sense of entitlement by giving early adopters refunds the first time they dropped prices and the first time they put out a new phone only 1 year later, so they partially have themselves to blame for this.
- jbean
Dear World: Please stop putting "tw" in front of words for things that happen on twitter. It is neither cute nor witty. :: sigh ::
- Miss Elle
from fftogo
Miss Elle reminds me why I wish I could Like comments. (and, like other commenters here, I have to admit to having little sympathy for the new-iphone--but-cheap-coveting-peeps :P)
- Adam Lasnik
So if I pay the additional money for the 3gs iphone what happens to my 3g iphone? Do I have to turn it in? Can I keep it and sell it? If I sell it is it commitment free to the new owner?
- gfurry
It is true. This is standard Mobile company protocol. If you upgrade to a new device early you have to pay full price. It is not "fair" but it is the way it is. Though... gfurry has a great question that I am curious to know the answer to.
- dorn
After upgrading and swapping sims, your current 3g is yours gfurry to do with it as you wish. Turn airplane mode on, connect it to WiFi and rock-n-roll (add Skype and you more or less have a fully functioning iPhone). Personally, I'm using my old one as a development/learning device and I'm also offering iphone app dev's the offer to contact me for assistance with testing their...
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- JR
I think this is a bit absurd. Just wait a while! I had to do the same when the iPhone 3G came out, and ultimately I was glad I waited. To my knowledge, AT&T hasn't altered there policies here. If you wanted to switch to the latest and greatest Blackberry you'd have to wait as well. Get over it.
- Clay Newton
@Walt Ruppar If this is the case I would think those that want to upgrade could still get decent money for a 3G since you could use it without signing a 2 year contract correct?
- gfurry
No more than the $99 that it would cost you at the Apple store I would suppose... Perhaps a search of eBay for "iphone 3g" or perhaps "iphone 3g unlocked" would find you more insight than me who is just plain hypothesizing. :-)
- JR
Folks with 2G iPhones can simply insert their sim into current 3G and viola! So perhaps there is a market still for the current 3G, but I dunno. However what I do know is that if you do the step up from a 2G to a current 3G, without doing so in an AT&T or Apple store, eventually you will get a txt message /voicemail / note from AT&T telling you that it's gonna cost you an additional $10...
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- JR
Is the guy's head next? What an idiot. When we lived in Florida this one guy used to go feed chickens to the alligator in the pond at our apartment complex -- until the gator decided to eat him instead.
- Dawn
"Paul Buchheit built the first version of Gmail in one day. Then he built the first prototype of Google's contextual advertising service Adsense, in one day as well." - so he practically invented whole Google. What are all these other engineers doing?? ;)
- Meryn Stol
Thanks for the link to Pretzel Logic, Marshall. Ironically, I was at a lunch meeting about the time you published this and we were talking about other use cases for a FriendFeed-esq platform in the enterprise. There's so many more places where this makes sense in the business world. I'll do a follow up in a few weeks.
- Sameer
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I can see in the future, an open wire VOiP link that everyone can share, there will be SIG channels that groups can side track too, and then go back to the main channel & listen. You would invite like Twitter or Friend Feed (maybe Google) to control the channels. We used this type of intercom system with NASA where we all could talk to each other at the same time for downrange...
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- HamRadioActive
This was the article that convinced me to join Friendfeed. The way Friendfeed documents a conversation is very compelling.
- JR Holmes
I think this whole real time conversation around a social object concept is very powerful. Social Objects anchor the conversation in shared context between participants.
- Zaki Manian
Man, 1 in 4 comments on that article are yahoos smugly asserting that FF is an IRC clone and that Marshall/Paul are lying or dumb to think otherwise. Why are blog readers so quick to judge?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The first comment says it all. What's described here sounds much too noisy to be efficient or even fun.
- Tal Shafik
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I agree. I am a fan of Friendfeed. Much better than Twitter.
- ramiromarques
The real-time conversation facet of FriendFeed is now only emphasize with the appearance of Google Wave. I hope FriendFeed will figure out its place in the emerging space. Would FriendFeed Wave extensions (Wave gadgets and robots) be sufficient to stay in the game? Is FriendFeed experimenting with Wave APIs? I hope it is.
- Nenad Nikolic
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Engadget brightened up a slow news day on Friday with a leaked memo from Best Buy that offers a number of Windows 7 details. Most notable is the fact that the memo puts a date on when people can start buying Vista-based machines and qualify for a free upgrade to Windows 7. According to the memo, June 26 is the magic date--and I'm hearing that date is correct. Images: A peek at Windows 7 release candidate View the full gallery The memo also says that on June 26, Best Buy will start preselling upgrade versions of Windows 7 Home Premium for $49 and Windows 7 Professional for $99 via its Web site. It's not totally clear whether those are standard or promotional prices, although the memo says the pre-order program will run only for 16 days.
- Leo Laporte
They should do this with other Social Networks too.
- Matt Ruiz
please dont say that! that makes me worry about the minds of the people of today.
- Simply Teeeya
from IM
Matthew - Once we all have unified accounts across all networks they'll only need to be verified once to be official everywhere. I reckon we're only a couple of years from that.
- Martin Bryant
leaked memo from Best Buy claims that the retail chain will pre-sell Windows 7 upgrades for as little as $49.99 starting June 26, a technology enthusiast site reported today. On Friday morning, Engadget posted an image of what it said was an internal Best Buy memo that outlined the company's plans for Windows 7, which Microsoft has announced will go on sale starting on Oct. 22.
- Leo Laporte
$50 is a tad too low I believe... I think the price will be more like maybe $75 for Windows 7 home basic -- think most people will get home premium which i believe will be about $125 -- as for me, I will be buying the full version of windows 7 ultimate, just because I can ;)
- Bryce Campbell
If I had Vista I would pay the upgrade price. Not bad.
- BRҰANSAҰS
That's very interesting. We're all XP here. I never upgrade until the OS has been out for a while. I mean really - have they ever topped DOS.....
- Claudia Hall Christian
I will definitely be showing off friendfeed, because I learn something from it every day.
- Robert Scoble
Expanding what I see, and then I can dig deeper. The socials give you new and different outlooks, viewpoints, etc. This does not happen with TV, newspapers, or friends.
- Eric - seven eleven
Learning is much more targeted and still organic. Like a good flower patch, you can pick and chose unlike traditional media. The real time web is awesome. News come faster and you can ignore the mundane conversations. It's democratically global at your finger tips. It has HUGE room for improvement.
- Yann Ropars
Do you think that people will eventually use friendfeed as something more than just an aggregator? Or is this the space that Google Wave is aiming for (in which case it will render ff useless)?
- Nate
adding Wikipedia on that and yes that changed everything I have ever learned and will ever learn in the future in a big way!
- Alex M.
Robert is there an agreed hashtag for the "5th Annual Innovations in eLearning Symposium" conference? Would love to tune in. These social networks are changing the way we learn - we're learning, sharing and collaborating in exciting new ways. We're learning faster and distributing this in near real-time - well, with FriendFeed you could argue it is in real time! I believe these tools are a paradigm shift in how we are communicating, and learning.
- Tony Hollingsworth
Tony: I don't know. They aren't very web savy. Took me a long time to even find the PDF of the conference, which is funny.
- Robert Scoble
Nate: I'm already using friendfeed as a non-aggregator. You gotta find the power in the groups here. I have to do a video on those.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: plus, I hate hashtags. Why do you need them? Friendfeed's search engine is so good you don't need them to find this post anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I use both services as a magazine surfing through a myriad of topics, sometimes digging deeper into one when I find one that interests me. Sometimes I am reading for specific topics, sometimes general knowledge, sometimes for no reason other than just for fun.
- Dave Ploch
robert, could you expand on that 'non-aggregator' terminology a bit? do you mean getting more out of it than just aggregating feeds? like the discssions etc?
- Chris Heath
Chris: yes. I have a private room where I just talk with a small group of people. VentureBeat and Wired Online use rooms to do their workflow.
- Robert Scoble
I meet friends I would never have met on the street.
- Randy Allen Bishop
ok, yeah - i though you meant that robert, but in the back of my mind i was thinking 'i use groups to aggregate...'
- Chris Heath
Randy: yeah, but what are you learning from them? How is your learning changing?
- Robert Scoble
via FF, et al I get news/info through a *human filter* - swineflu was a great example - hype has less effect unless it's legit - if we'd only just discovered that the Earth wasn't flat, there'd still be sites floating around saying it is - to add to this, we can now edit the record on the spot - adds value to the bandwidth in a new way
- thinfilms
Thanks guys - I'm a n00b at FriendFeed and keep reverting to Twitter and hashtags/Twitter Search to find threaded conversations and "virtual watercooler" stuff
- Tony Hollingsworth
I learn from people that I would never have the chance to learn from otherwise - I seek out social media heavies, because I want to learn about certain web 2.0 tools and I look for real estate tech heads so I can see and learn what they are up too. My job combines technology and real estate - so this gives me loads of material to share with my 600 + agents. My FF filters help me decipher and fine tune the information.
- Stefanie Hahn
Online social media tools significantly change the learning process, taking it from linear to intuitive and integrative - a multi-spoked wheel. Learn new things everyday from Twitter and blogs, much of which I did not intend but learning resulted as by-product.of exposure.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Im not sure if this is a thought but we talk about micro blogging I got to say that Im seeing micro learning. A lot of the interns I get know a good deal but they are missing the context and the ability to put the individual bits together. still it is a fantastic way to find information and interact.
- Terry Bruce
Btw, you commented on the savviness of educators and I'll share that Education does digital technology at a very grass-roots level and much of it bootstraped by teachers or others in the classroom. So a broad level of sophistication isn't there - it's in pockets.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Gee Scoble, ask and you shall receive. :)
- Lon Cohen
We learn a broader range of information relating to our interests, but the great thing is that we focus the learning through consensus, interaction, and reactions to validate the content.
- James Stratford
inquiry-based learning is more gratifying than ever before thanks to the social networks. cross-disciplinary inquiries are more accessible, too, because of the range of folks participating, so results return with more relevance - learners should be able to customize the kind of information they're after to a fine degree. the flexibility of these tools allow me to learn in the...
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- thinfilms
My take on the classroom/lecture analogy/metaphor (whatever): Any given friendfeed discussion has the capacity to become a learning experience about almost anything. Those who participate are akin to those in class who raise their hand and question/challenge the teacher. There is no designated teacher here, so everyone who participates 'can' be a teacher (and probably is to someone)....
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- Chris Heath
For me, it's kind of like speed reading. You don't learn every detail but you do get a quick, somewhat comprehensive understanding of the topic. Took speed reading classes in summer school when I was a kid. Thanks mom :)
- padric toman
Robert, much of learning is about making meaningful connections through meaningful experiences and learning through apprenticeships. These tools provide the ability to experience thought leaders on any/many topics from anywhere and if you participate in the conversation you begin to build your own understanding. As the filters (search & social connections) allow you to fine tune that engagement it can become very effective.
- Lee
Robert, as a theory to back up your thoughts, check out the Social Learning Theory by Albert Bandura.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
'Study Groups' self-assemble here on friendfeed - once track is back then there will be no excuse for not finding the group you're looking for
- Chris Heath
The jury is still out on my appreciation of the social aspect, recently dropping in appears to increase my creative flow. The speed reading concept is also viable, imo.
- Carolyn Wood
i don't agree with the speed reading aspect. part of the solution for me is getting away from this partial learning and into something significantly more comprehensive. many of us think a 3-page article on a topic leads us to *understanding* it - surely there's a happy medium somewhere
- thinfilms
Would like to see more on harnessing the power of groups on FriendFeed and how businesses are using the platform with private workgroups
- Carol Lynn Martens
Twitter/FF - I agree with Chad. Well put. “inquiry-based learning is more gratifying than ever before.” The focus for me is on the social aspect of sharing data; both legacy and real time. I follow people with similar interests. People who have a passion for exploring new media paradigms, products, and services that shape the way through which we disseminate information. That social...
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- Benjamin Taylor
yeah chad, i'm with you on that... this format allows for a more in-depth interaction - i do get the speed reading part, but that's just so i can find the bits i want to get in-depth with (like this thread, for instance)
- Chris Heath
By the way, to answer the earlier question, the hashtag for the conference is #iel09
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Robert: I use FF to alert me of new blogs in areas of interest, I then use the blogs to help me find answers to the problems or design decisions they don't talk about in school or books. I think of blogs as one of the best ways to mentor the masses and FF as a way to find out about them. Its like having millions of agents looking for material I'm interested in.
- Jim Lavin
Look at what I made: http://friendfeed.com/law-blob Dozens of legal experts commenting in their fields on recent issues, and I'm adding more all the time. Easy to skim, easy to tag, and deeper than the sea. Just as one example... e-discovery is a fast moving area of the law, and by following less than a dozen blogs, my briefs blow the doors off my opponent's.
- Maxwell Kennerly
Thanks for the tip, Robert. This conference looks really interesting and I may try to attend.
- Sterling Zumbrunn
from BuddyFeed
Social Median has been great for taking many sources and shooting back the content from them that interests me on a particular subject, it is good tool for learning about topics relating to current events.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
We no longer need to retain "loose" knowledge - we just need to maintain loose networks of smart people. This is where FF and social learning kick in
- Gavin Heaton
Robert: Discovery = Learning -- FF/Twitter accelerate Discovery -- So FF/Twitter = Learning x Learning
- Paul Moss
Robert, also consider including excellent Q&A sites like stackoverflow in your talk
- Arvind
Peter: yes, but I'm glad you reminded me of that. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
my interest in social networking is in "knowledge management", now everyone knows that you can not manage knowledge, you also can not "capture" knowledge, that is a fallacy, what you can do however is facilitate better information sharing and especially involve different groups in different means of problem solving, twitter, ff and others are very useful tools in aggregating /...
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- Paul Tudor
Just reading these comments is a great learning experience! I find the level of brainpower, imagination and creativity from the friendfeeders to be so exceptional. I have always been an info junkie and now I have these excellent creative info miners-from Twitter and FF giving me great new gems second by second. My problem is managing the time. I can lget caught up in the flow and hours go by in seeming minutes, as I share and connect the various dots in the matrices.
- Karma Martell
Oh Robert! You triggered a couple of interesting conversations over 10 hours ago and then, while I was sleeping, you started this one!! I am sure that I have not fully understood your question, but my comment(s) grew so fast that they outgrew this format, so I threw them into a hastily written blog post here: http://johnwlewis.wordpress.com/2009...
- John W Lewis
On the off chance that you may possibly mention FriendFeed :) I'll share one of the FriendFeed saved searches that I use to keep up with job information http://friendfeed.com/search...
- John E. Bredehoft
Or, you can share music on directly on Facebook profile by entering the direct hotlink in the Share field and editing the Title, Album and Artist fields yourself :). No 3rd party app necessary. Free hosts include Dropbox, Fileden and your own site
- LANjackal
What I REALLY need is an app that collects all the menubar icons that can't be displayed (because the current app's menus cover them) and displays them in a dropdown box. Extra points if the app's menubar icon changes when one of the collected apps requires input or something).
- Carlos Granier-Phelps