Grievance: Anne Bouey, you are too kind to everyone. I want to know what you really think about Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Cecily, you carry on the stereotype of the stern librarian who does not approve of shenanigans! Live it up every once in a while.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Friendfeed didn't buy Facebook and declare it *dead* :D
- Adrian
Grievance: Haggis! You are the lamest poker in the world I have ever seen. Pathetic.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Adrian, you couldn't man up and get Anika to take your last name like a true patriarch!
- Louis Gray
Oh man... I lost the armwrestling match that was supposed to decide that. :(
- Adrian
Grievance: Spidra, your avatar looks like Rosie the Riveter meets Archie from Archie Comics. Let's see the real you!
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Anika, you have not told us all the dirt about Mark Krynsky that you really know. It's time you told us. Everything.
- Louis Gray
Jaime Hernandez was very influenced by Archie Comics. I doubt I'll change my avatar, but (and this gets to *my* grievance) I have posted quite a few pics of me in my feed - that so few of my subscribers read, like or comment on. :-P
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: we haven't seen enough of LG bragging that he's whipped someone in Scrabble or Mario Kart. Especially that he's mercilessly beaten his mother.
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: Jandy, if you were truly the ConcertMaven of FF, how come I have #1) never been invited to a concert you attended, and #2) you have not yet organized a concert made up of FriendFeed performers?
- Louis Gray
Spidra, I try to remain humble. I would never bore you with such triviality. :)
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Louis, your most fun posts are only seen by insomniacs.
- Bruce Lewis
Grievance: Bruce, OurDoings has not yet been acquired by FriendFeed or Facebook and is far too obscure, requiring much more visibility.
- Louis Gray
Obscure? The user group http://friendfeed.com/ourdoin... has 13 subscribers. That's gotta be about half the active FriendFeed user base, if the pundits are to be believed.
- Bruce Lewis
Louis, #1) Consider yourself invited to every concert I attend; all you gotta do is come down to LA! #2) I'm waiting for Spidra to move back down here, then I will organize said concert with her in the lead. And you're invited. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Hmm. We can take over the Rose Bowl and have a huge festival. What will we call it? Ffunderstruck?
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: Chris Pirillo is not lifecasting in 3D, so I don't feel like I know him well enough.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Mahendra's sharing preferences on Google Reader and Twitter are dramatically different than the posts he selects for Techmeme while on his shift.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Atul Arora is remarkably mysterious about his full-time work life, and is seen as a full-time link sharer.
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Jim Norris complains often about struggles with attracting a date, yet he is cute enough and successful enough that I would be happy to pass his name along to potential partners. :)
- Louis Gray
Grievance: Louis Gray won't stop hitting on me.
- Jim Norris
In your dreams, Norris -- LG only fantasizes of RSS feeds ;)
- Mona Nomura
Grievance: Jim's and Mona's hilarious comments make mine look really lame by comparison.
- Bruce Lewis
Grievance: Not enough things have been declared Dead, Lame or Wrong...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Grievance: I didn't follow the thread format, which probably leveled up LG's grievance. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Grievance: Bret Taylor hasn't publicized the fact Toby Gerhart lost the Heisman Trophy award after weeks of unrealistic hype.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: People post their mugs way too much up in here! #getaroom
- Mona Nomura
Grievance: Mona's everyday drinking behavior makes college students feel like underachievers both in the classroom and at their frat houses or sororities.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: WorldOfHiglet has not posted her novel to FriendFeed as a PDF to download.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Stephen Mack toils away at TiVo for a decade and hasn't ONCE posted promo codes for lower-cost units. He also won't tell us if there is anything beyond the TiVo XL.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Johnny Worthington isn't Australian enough. Secondary grievance... the Skype connection to FFunderCats is complete rubbish.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Thomas Power runs a successful social network and his three children somehow all still managed to become FarmVille addicts.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: I have no housemates to annoy with my loud cackling at this thread.
- Spidra Webster
Grievance: Louis Gray made me snort my tea when I read his comment about my novel...
- WorldofHiglet
Grievance: Akiva and Rochelle Moskovitz go to bed way too early.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Grievance: Louis Gray has not been listening to my audiobook podcast
- WorldofHiglet
Grievance: Kol has a last name that nobody can pronounce, and a first name that should be short for something, but nobody has any clue.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Actually, as far as I can tell, Like in FB does do something: it's basically an empty comment, so you get notified of new comments that occur after you Like it.
- Mistletoe Glen
@Glen: it's true but what bothers me most is that unlike friendfeed, fb delivers a separate mail for every person that comments on that post. #lame
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
I would just like to go on record here and clearly state that, were I able to do what this lion is doing, I WOULD NOT! NO! NEVER! EVER! Thank you.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Mark, not even if they were dipped in chocolate?
- Adrian
Yau'll are some sick _ucks. Let the King have a private moment for God's sake. Shame on you people. Can't yau'll see he's welcomed in the jungle. He went down south :)
- Jeunelle Foster
They could have come up with a better name. 'Cyber' is so 90s.
- Chrissie M
Guh, I'm annoyed. I know, childish, but I just got home and I want to see what I missed and it's down. D:
- Colette
Sounds kinda like "Giant Enemy Crab" to me. But that's because it's late here. I'll be heading for bed now *yawns* see you guys
- Kamilah Gill
here's the text from the hackers... (THIS SITE HAS BEEN HACKED BY IRANIAN CYBER ARMY ) U.S.A THINK THEY CONTROLLING ANF MANAGING INTERNET BY THEIR ACCESS, BUT THEY DONT. WE CONTROL AND MANAGE INTERNET BY OUR POWER. SO DO NOT TRY TO STIMULATION IRANIAN PEOPLES TO...NOW WHICH COUNTY IN EMBARGO LIST? IRAN? USA? WE PUSH THEM IN EMBARGO LIST ;) TAKE CARE
- Ankush Narula
Sing to the phrase of "Jimmy Crack Corn". "Twitter is down and I don't care, Twitter is down and I don't care. Twitter is down and I don't caaaaarrrrreee... the lists have gone away."
- Louis Gray
I like pie, too. We should hang out.
- Steven Perez
from IM
interestingly, Twitter updates are still showing up, with people complaining that Twitter isn't working =/ I guess there's a lag. or something.
- Kamilah Gill
I can't get to it via the web... but when you search for twitter on Google you can see the firehose is still pumping real-time to Google's servers
- Ankush Narula
When twitter was on a go slow yesterday I missed out on answering a @namecheap Xmas trivia question. Now it looks like I will miss this hours. *shakes fist*
- Chrissie M
I rather like lists, it enables me to see tweets by people who I'm not following in context with others in their location/field.
- Simon Curran
yes... lists are useful... when twitter isn't in the shitter...
- Ankush Narula
I find pie to be a bit hit and miss though.
- Simon Curran
"Thank you. Tonight I was beginning my transition - downloading my pads (zip, thanks!) and moving up to Bespin. Glad I don't have to worry about that now."
- Paul Stamatiou
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- Petr Buben
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- Petr Buben
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- Steve C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- Kevin Pedraja
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
My like is the last one so far :) - 509 afaik
- getalifejerk
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I love these sorts of creative things!
- Rick Cogley
I always wish they'd show what these things look like from something other than the exactly perfect perspective. Because to most people passing by these would look totally different.
- Brian Johns
These never get old. Thanks for sharing. :)
- Kevin Winn
Akiva could be played by the neighbor on Home Improvement
- Alan Simpson
Like the adults on Charlie Brown? Oh, that reminds me, I'll be portrayed by a pair of legs wearing stripey socks ala Nanny on the Muppet Babies.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
from fftogo
Do I even get a role? I nominate Paul Giamotti as myself.
- Phil G
I assumed you would actually play the role of Paul Giamotti.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I'll tell you what, Mike...that right there is what we should all aspire to have in a breakfast meal. It is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen! *sniff*
- Josh Haley
at first glance i thought that was peach cobbler and ice cream.
- MicahBear78
IMHO Josh's second comment up there is perhaps one of the finest comments I've ever had the honor to read.
- Mistletoe Glen
Well, this just inspires me to put on my headphones, fire up the laptop and finish Prof Dube's 3rd Econ lecture while peeling apples for apple crisp!
- Melanie Reed
The only thing that's missing is a good oatmeal stout!
- Melanie Reed
"Google has a logo today in honor of the start of Comic-Con with DC heroes as drawn by (swoon) Jim Lee. UM. WHAT? HOW IN THE NAME OF KRYPTON DO YOU A DC COMICS LOGO AND EXCLUDE SUPERMAN? SERIOUSLY. WTF. I WANT NAMES."
- Admiral Anika
from Bookmarklet
It has connectors for iPhone/iPod, Nokia and Samsung (2 each), Sony Ericcson, LG, USB Mini 5 and Micro flavors, and the Sony PSP. The company cautions that only the iPhone connector will also act as a sync cable; furthermore, only one item can be connected at a time. There's also an included voltage booster for Nokia phones, if needed.
- Praveen Vasudev
this shows just how bad and ultimately pointless the situation of proprietory cables right now. You shouldn't need that many, just use mini usb. And if you're dead set on combining charging, syncing and audio there's nothing stopping you from modding the socket so that your proprietary audio cable works fine with a standard mini usb2 port!
- alphaxion
Here is what frustrates me - PubsubHubbub keeps wanting to defend their protocol, yet Dave Winer is being very supportive of PubsubHubbub: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Or should we be taking sides on this?
- Jesse Stay
they are two different approaches to almost the same problem - I don't think we need to take sides at all
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear, agreed - I don't get why PSHB feels the need to defend their protocol.
- Jesse Stay
They seem to do the same here (which I've brought up before): http://code.google.com/p... - the feeling a need to compete needs to stop. Just build something cool and let people decide if it's cool, and listen along the way. Hopefully the two can learn from each other and we'll have a lot of options to choose from. Choice is good!
- Jesse Stay
Here's why I think RSSCloud will hold the pole position in mindshare among independent-minded developers: it's more open (because of the respective custodians). Both can be embraced without major tradeoffs compared to focusing on one alone, and supporting Dave Winer first makes sense since it's reasonable to believe Google has the deep pockets to support other protocols and its own and make it work as needed.
- Micah Wittman
It doesn't sound like Dave Winer is willing to work on the glaring holes in the rssCloud API. At least that's the impression I got from listening to his meeting. They are so similar that they need to be evaluated on a technical level and PSHB comes out ahead in a handful of important areas (pretty much covered by that TC post). If rssCloud isn't going to evolve like PSHB is doing, it's going to cause harm in the market.
- Matt Mastracci
Matt, I don't think PSHB need to be the ones that point that out though. They're doing just fine how they are.
- Jesse Stay
Micah, is rssCloud really open? Dave shot down all the requests to change the subscription API during his meeting tonight. There was no opportunity for debate.
- Matt Mastracci
If I were PSHB, if I were asked to do a post on the two, I would keep it very objective, not declare a winner, and simply place the positives and negatives (without bias) of the two side-by-side. There's no need to take sides on this.
- Jesse Stay
Who is PubSubHubbub, Jesse? You make it sound like there's some official spokesperson that's "defending their protocol". I may not be tracking all the names of people who've made which statements when, but I get the general impression the people doing the comparisons aren't necessarily the ones developing the protocol.
- Ken Sheppardson
I mean those involved in developing the protocol, one of those being the one that wrote the TechCrunch post, at least so TechCrunch says.
- Jesse Stay
Matt, it's a fair question. I'm not up to speed on that meeting. I think it's perception, though. In the same way that Python is open and yet has a (rumoured to be) benevolent dictator. :)
- Micah Wittman
Jeez, this is a mess... the fact that somebody participates in an open source project and contributes code to that project doesn't necessarily mean their opinion represents an official view or even the predominant view of other contributors.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, in that case TechCrunch needs to correct their post, quickly
- Jesse Stay
Dave basically said something along the lines that rssCloud is out there, so they won't change it because it'll rile up people who have implemented what's out there. His recommendation was that you fork the rssCloud protocol if you want changes to be made. [paraphrasing] I really wish the audio of that meeting was available.
- Matt Mastracci
Dave Winer is supportive of PubSubHubbub? Since when? From my conversations with Dave he doesn't like PuSH because a) he think it disregards prior work and b) he thinks it's controlled by Google (which it isn't)
- Josh Fraser
Jesse, which part of my post do you think TechCrunch needs to clarify?
- Josh Fraser
Josh, if you're not representative of PSHB then they need to clarify that
- Jesse Stay
Josh: Citing your article, Jesse's making statements like "PubsubHubbub keeps wanting to defend their protocol" and "If I were PSHB... [I would] not declare a winner" and I was making the point that you're not PSHB, per se...
- Ken Sheppardson
Here's the intro I got from TechCrunch: "Editor’s note: With all of the debate lately between RSSCloud versus PubSubHubbub, we wanted to hear from a developer who could actually tell us which one might be better and why. The following guest post is written by Josh Fraser, the co-founder of EventVue, who is an active contributor to PubSubHubbub in his free time. He has contributed several client libraries for PubSubHubbub including a WordPress plugin. Guess which side of the debate he falls on."
- Josh Fraser
Choice is Bad! (There, I said it - someone had to). Having two protocols to support means twice as much work for everyone, incompatibilities and more confusion for users. PSHB is marginally better than rssCloud at the moment because of the IP address problem and the incremental update problem. If they can fix the IP address problem then I don't really care too much, but the IP address thing is a very big deal.
- Nick Lothian
Josh, sounds like you're representing the "side" of PSHB then. I don't think that article's good for PSHB - there's no need to declare a winer.
- Jesse Stay
Note that I'm also referring to the "prior art" references on the PSHB documentation as well. I'm willing to let that go, but the only people I see trying to defend themselves here is PSHB. I don't think it's necessary.
- Jesse Stay
I do think it is a superior protocol, but my goal wasn't to declare a winner. I just wanted to explain the differences between the two protocols from a technical standpoint as there have been lots of questions and misinformation floating around for the past couple of days.
- Josh Fraser
+1 to Nick's point. While the whole thing boils down to politics at some level, it really is fundamentally a choice of which technology is better. Choosing one lets us focus our energy on implementing it correctly. In this case, PSHB is a technical superset of the functionality in rssCloud and its specification is far clearer. I've been comparing both with an open mind for the last few days and the conclusion was pretty straightforward.
- Matt Mastracci
@Jesse - I think what you are seeing is a lot of independent developers who have looked at both options, and decided the PSHB is better for various reasons and then they publish their reasoning. As far as I can see Josh is "just" someone who happened to develop a useful tool which uses PSHB, and the Techcrunch post is what he sees as the strengths of it.
- Nick Lothian
... I'd say that we should let the two protocols simmer for a bit longer, but Dave's statements at his meeting have stated pretty clearly that rssCloud's evolution is over and he won't be making changes to it any time soon.
- Matt Mastracci
Nick, thats fine - maybe it got edited to make him look a little more official then. I'm cool if it's just a non-partisan developer comparing the two, but the post made it sound like Josh was pretty active with PSHB and even a contributor. I agree that the developers need to be the ones that decide.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse - also, there are some flaws in rssCloud which really should be fixed. Many of us have been though the RSS 2.0 vs Atom wars (and the RSS 1.0 vs RSS 0.9x wars before that) and are trying to avoid going down that route again by pointing out the strengths of PSHB, while still trying to acknowledge rssCloud.
- Nick Lothian
I just hope that neither the maintainer(s) of rssCloud or PSHB (or OMB or others) feel that they need to declare a winner. That's up to the end user and the developer. That was my point.
- Jesse Stay
Nick, understood. I think that decision should be up to the developers who have to implement it though. Hopefully the maintainer(s) of rssCloud and PSHB will listen to that - he who listens best will win, IMO. Even in that case we'll probably see a little of each in the future as we see with RSS and Atom now.
- Jesse Stay
The end result is we get to choose what works best for our individual situation
- Jesse Stay
To clear things up as far as my involvement with PuSH. I am a committer along with these people: http://code.google.com/p... I've made a few recommendations that have ended up in the protocol, but not many. I wrote the PHP library and the WP plugin for PuSH. Not sure why this is such a big issue as TechCrunch gave a clear disclosure on who I was and where I was coming from.
- Josh Fraser
I think that the only people who have any sort of "official" role in PSHB are those listed as authors on http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com/svn.... Anyone else is really "just some person on the internet who has something to say". There are quite a few of them around :)
- Nick Lothian
Josh, to me that still sounds like you have a representation with PSHB. I have no clue who leads the standard though, so I'm probably wrong. I'm just saying how TechCrunch made it sound to someone who doesn't really know much about the PSHB organization. I'm not blaming you for that, btw - it's probably TC's editing if you don't speak for the standards organization.
- Jesse Stay
Nick, in that case I blame the TC editing. I misunderstood that he does not have any representation of the standard.
- Jesse Stay
Or maybe I'm the only one who misunderstood it - in that case I blame myself.
- Jesse Stay
There isn't a formal standards organization yet. PuSH is really just a pet project by Brad Fitz and Brett Slatkin that happened to take off really fast.
- Josh Fraser
Ken, several people have started using PSH or PuSH instead of PSHB. I'm not sure who originally came up with it, but it makes sense since "hubbub" is one word and should technically only contribute one letter to the acronym. I personally like it because "push" is a really good description of what the protocol does and PubSubHubbub is a really pain to type.
- Josh Fraser
Josh, ah - that's good to know then. I like PuSH a lot, btw. Congrats on the TechCrunch guest post though! Regardless of what I said, it's an amazing opportunity - I'm glad you got it. Sorry for my misunderstanding - I'm just still very confused on all this. I think I'm just going to avoid reading the articles on it for awhile and let technology play its course.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I don't understand why you are frustrated. Can you give an example of some specific criticism that you see as not being constructive and instructive?
- scott anderson
Thanks Jesse. My apologies if I added to your confusion. My intent was in fact to do just the opposite.
- Josh Fraser
I like the *idea* of "PuSH", but from a practical standpoint it seems like it makes it utterly impossible to do any sort of search or filter for discussion about the the protocol. I mean, how do you disambiguate a search for "push"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Josh, looking back with my current knowledge of your background now, it's a much better article! I was just going in with the impression that you had some sort of role in the organization of PSHB.
- Jesse Stay
Ken, that's a good point. Any suggestions?
- Josh Fraser
Scott, read this thread - it will take you through my thoughts on all this. It was mostly a misunderstanding of Josh's role with PuSH.
- Jesse Stay
I haven't seen Dave Winer mention PuSH but I thought the TC article had some good points. They did mention RSSCloud's simplicity as an advantage... which could lead to wider adoption than PuSH overall.
- John Wright
Josh: Only that PSHB seems to be widely adopted at this point, even if it's not a "proper" acronym. It's also pretty unambiguous and is sort of a contraction for "push hub" or "pubsub hub"
- Ken Sheppardson
I think the #1 rule for both rssCloud and PSHB though is to not listen to me. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, Jesse, you're trying to be way to middle-of-the-road and apolitical about the whole thing. Pick a side, dammit. Pepsi or Coke. Beta or VHS ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
"he who listens best will win". quit contradicting yourself, Jesse :)
- Josh Fraser
My problem is I really like both Winer and Slakin/Fitz. I hope picking a technology does not mean picking the people behind it.
- Jesse Stay
I know of at least four technical comparisons now between the technologies, I think. Possibly five...
- Matt Mastracci
Josh, I mean "he who listens best to everyone but Jesse will win" ;-)
- Jesse Stay
No good technologist should ever force you to choose between them and their technology. That wouldn't fair to you Jesse.
- Matt Mastracci
I really like Winer too and I've spent a fair amount of time discussing this stuff with him. That includes 5 months ago before he started working on rssCloud again and this morning before I wrote the post. I think we're all mature enough to have these conversations without it getting personal.
- Josh Fraser
Josh, that's good - you've known Winer much longer than me so that makes me feel better. I was really impressed with him when I met him a few months ago. I wasn't around (or paying attention at least) during the RSS wars in the 90s.
- Jesse Stay
I tell you though, I love the passion that all this is bringing to the forefront. This is amazing stuff we're seeing, and I'm talking to a lot of people that are working on some really cool stuff with it (on both sides).
- Jesse Stay
Hey Josh - were you one of the guys I met last year that were sitting with Dave McClure at Google I/O?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, yeah that's right. Dave's one of our investors in EventVue.
- Josh Fraser
Okay - that's why you look familiar then. Cool to put the name with the face now.
- Jesse Stay
I wish I lived in the Bay area so I could meet more of you in person more often. There are so many great face-to-face conversations that happen out there that I miss out on.
- Jesse Stay
I'm in Boulder so I'm afraid it wouldn't help much in my case.
- Josh Fraser
Josh, lol - well you're just 7 hours away from me then. Maybe I need to take more trips out to Boulder then!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I'm Canadian - I feel your pain. :)
- Matt Mastracci
Josh, I'd have to move my family out there. How's the cost of living?
- Jesse Stay
Not cheap, but still less than living in the valley.
- Josh Fraser
Hmmm...maybe I need to look at prices there. I love the Salt Lake area, but the unity amongst tech startups here isn't quite what Boulder offers (although I'm working on that).
- Jesse Stay
What frustrates me is that we're arguing between two big inefficient pub-sub hacks to implement real time notifications. Like Google asked with Wave "how would email look if invented today?" maybe the question needed to be asked, how would an internet-scale pub-sub protocol look today if HTTP didn't exist? Yeah, I get it, it's easy to deploy new stuff over HTTP. It's also easier to...
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- Ray Cromwell
Competition is good in any field. It makes you strive to be better than your competitor and we the users will benefit.
- Sandra Large
Fantastic thread, even at 4am waiting in an emergency room. I had some pretty interesting dreams about a tightly coupled new Internet/web with redundant failsafe connections. Much of our future utilization of web tech will be in support of instant communication and feedback. As a long time engineer (detection/tracking) I recognize the power of iterative tech. Social collaboration/design can benefit from faster feedback.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I know it's hard when mommy and daddy fight, Jesse, but this is always how it goes when two competing protocols are hot at the same time. I don't think there's anything wrong with the Pubbub folks defending their protocol. There's a lot of misinformation out there. People keep saying how much harder it is than Arsecloud, and as someone who just implemented it today in my blogging software, I found it easy peasy lemon squeezy.
- Rogers Cadenhead