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Facebook allows me to cancel my relationship!
Larry Rubin, Rui Pereira, Hel Hel and 5 other people liked this
If only it were so simple in the real world.
- Chris, Without Direction
It probably still posts "HEY, BEN CANCELLED HIS RELATIONSHIP EVERYONE!" on the walls of all your friends.
- Phronk
I want to see if I can still 'cancel' the relationship after it's confirmed.
- joey
I knew I'd like FutureFeed before I even read about it on TechCrunch! :-) http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Jonathan, Sameer and 7 other people liked this
Of course if FutureFeed was really real it would have known I'd hate that it doesn't run on Safari. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Safari doesn't exist in the future.
- Nick in Manila
I don't really want to comment on this item, but futurefeed said I was going to, so I'm afraid not commenting would rip the fabric of the universe.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Naturally.
- Larry Rubin
Chrome will pwn the universe. Or not.
- Robyn McIntyre
Think of the time you'll save!
- Justin Hopkins
Socializr Launches 'FriendFeed for Events' | Epicenter from Wired.com - http://blog.wired.com/busines...
Russellreno, sirishkumar, Courtney Engle and 28 other people liked this
I love Socializr. I just added all my Upcoming.org and Facebook events. Friend me there and you'll get all the great tech events (conferences, meetups, barcamps, etc) I'm keeping track of.
- Robert Scoble
They should be showing up here eventually: http://www.socializr.com/user...
- Robert Scoble
Looks like you have to add me as a friend. I see a HUGE calendar but doesn't look like that is sharing in public.
- Robert Scoble
TechCrunch's article about Socializr: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
I just signed up. Added my Upcoming account. Hopefully it will just automatically import my events from Upcoming? No desire to do it manually.
- Anthony Citrano
Is it better than meetup?
- Nir Ben Yona
Anthony: it imported mine automatically. My Upcoming event page is here: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/user...
- Robert Scoble
Nir: it's an event aggregator. Different than Meetup. It is to events what friendfeed is to microblogging.
- Robert Scoble
Alas, the site says its available in USA only
- Arvind
My Socializr addy is http://www.socializr.com/user...
- Damond Nollan
@Robert Thanks. @Arvind Ouch, that's a real bummer. I guess Upcoming+Facebook+Meetup will do the job for you.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert please email me your feedback and suggestions, so we can improve it. Sounds like you want other people to be able to see your Facebook and Upcoming events for example?
- Jonathan
Jonathan: yup! That's what's cool about Upcoming.org: that other people can see what I'm doing without signing in.
- Robert Scoble
For events, all I care is that I can add them to my Google Calendar
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: that's a good point. I added my Google Calendar, but it started sharing my private stuff. I don't want it to do that. I want Socializer to be able to write TO my Google Calendar, but not read FROM my Google Calendar.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, that's a little scary. I like to share events, but not all my events.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: yeah, when I saw it did that I deleted Google Calendar from Socializr.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, your Google Calendar is available on your Google profile. Is that different?
- LogEx
Logical: yes. You can't see details there. But Socializr was pulling in my private details and sharing those.
- Robert Scoble
Actually your private events were NOT being shared. It sounds like you want us to add more sharing, to share your external events with anyone looking at your Socializr public profile, even if they are not your friend. We can certainly add that, and we would make certain no private events were shared too...
- Jonathan
Jonathan: cool. I didn't understand. I don't want my private stuff showing up outside of Google Calendar, though. I only want my events synched. I would love to organize events in Socializr and push those to Google Calendar, though.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't understand because I thought everything I was seeing would be shared on my public socializr calendar.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert... Right now, we are doing the following: #1 - you can bring in your invites from other sites into your event list that you (and only you) see on Socializr. #2 - you can see friends' events from Socializr, Facebook, and Upcoming, based on your friends lists from those sites. #3 - you can invite Facebook and MySpace friends to Socializr events. It sounds like you want some new...
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- Jonathan
Jonathan: email? What's that? :-) Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Pretty cool. I like it.
- Mark Krynsky
My @Socializr profile is here ----> http://www.socializr.com/user... - Pretty cool app - works great!
- Susan Beebe
USA only. BOOO!!!!!
- Chris, Without Direction
Jonathan: Is it possible for you guys to ping me when you bring Canada into the fold?
- Chris, Without Direction
Robert THANKS for sharing this bright new shiny toy!! :)
- Susan Beebe
You know, it's important enough for me to control my moniker, so I'm just going to have to fake out the ZIP code. Wish it didn't come to that, but I'm left with no other option.
- Chris, Without Direction
Here's my profile: http://www.socializr.com/user... Can't wait for Canada support to be added in.
- Chris, Without Direction
Hey Chris, you may not know this but I'm actually Canadian. Toronto-born McMaster grad, lived in Ottawa too. Thank god I live in San Francisco now hahahahah but we will put Canada support on our to do list!
- Jonathan
Jonathan, I take it you follow Marauders football, then? Never went to Mac, but the Marauders are my team. Shame they've been playing like the Leafs past couple seasons, though.
- Chris, Without Direction
Haha Chris, sorry no! Do other McMcmaster alums really still follow the football team?
- Jonathan
Well, those alums still living in Hamilton certainly do. Better'n following U of T Varsity Blues, who can't win against anyone but York.
- Chris, Without Direction
To all you friendfeeders who tell me to create lists and filters: No! I'm busy and therefore lazy. I want a system that will learn from me, rather than me having to teach it. What say you?
Tom Wentworth, Drew Lucas, Mike Elliott and 93 other people liked this
friendfeed is not the system you seek.
- Alex Scoble
I slightly mean this in jest, but as a reaction to the comments in here http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jeremiah Owyang
I agree, actually.
- Hel Hel
Jeremiah you're just lazy ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Jeremiah: I just want to share my lists with you. That way I can do the hard work and you can be lazy. :-)
- Robert Scoble
jeremiah - i started w/ lists when they first were offered by friendfeed awhile ago, i view it as one of its strongest features, great way to categorization those whose presence you follow, then i drop in and out of interactivity based on my availability :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
robert - it would be nice to share lists, i also miss the ability to expand lists which went away in the beta
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: all the old features better come back before they move the beta over to the real site. I am finding some of these little missing things very frustrating.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still not using lists. Filters are great, and very easy.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's why I'm using filters that other people have created. I don't have to do the work, and I still get to use it.
- Elizabeth Parmeter
The problem then would be that you, or others, would complain that the system is "learning incorrectly" and giving you what you don't want. A little effort is always necessary to achieve refined customization.
- Nathan Chase
Eric: the best thing I ever did here was create a list. The signal level there is 100x better than my "everyone" list.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand: if anyone else were making this statement, or if it were about anything else (say, email and folders) no one would be offering to make his email folders for him. No one would say email should learn from him.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
FF does learn from you; that's what FoF is; but to expect it to do it all independent of effort (or even at least trying prepackaged filters)???? I suppose some people really are fans of getting exercise vicariously too, but I don't understand them either.
- David HC Soul
Jeremiah, Facebook's old model did this. It quasi-intelligently took many variables into account (many of them user-tweakable through customization) and displayed the old (pre-Friendfeed clone) Home page... taking into account the things users liked, disliked, geographic regions, and I'm sure many other factors that are undisclosed. Yet, Facebook (for the worse, IMHO) has abandoned this model in favor of the "drink from the fire hose" model of twitter.
- tollie williams
I'm too lazy to read all the comments. Scoble will you summarize?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Didn't Facebook try that once?
- Jesse Stay
Owyang: Do you have a toilet integrated with your lazy-boy, by chance?
- coldbrew
Coldbrew, if you revealed your real name, do you think your attitude will change to a non-sucky one? You're really rude.
- Mona Nomura
Johnny Worthington's consulting services are required here. He educated me on these manners. I now have a pretty decent system going!
- Mike Nayyar
But the point is, list / filter creations should not be complicated. Most users are too lazy. And I agree with Jeremiah.
- Mona Nomura
<- Frustrated that this thread is rehashing the first thread. Building a sub list and [Like]ing items is plenty of effort in and of itself to inform a BoD list. The current FF "lists" feature is great but doesn't need to be a prerequisite for useful Best of Day content.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel - I didn't understand any of that LOL
- Mona Nomura
Mona - Jeremiah doesn't want to do *more* work (i.e. creating lists). He's already implicitly agreed to the work of subscribing to FFers and clicking [Like] on the occasional FF item. That body of work should be more than enough for an intelligent FriendFeed Best of Day recommendation engine to give him the news he needs. Lists are great for completely separate reasons and while they provide a workaround to the Best of Day problem they are not an excuse for shortcomings of the Best of Day page.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I totally agree. You are lazy.
- AJ Batac
Seriously, you are looking for something like a complex learning algorithm similar to Amazon's recommendation engine
- AJ Batac
FTR I agree with Jeremiah as well. I'm just playing devils advocate. Jeremiah is the least lazy of almost anyone I know.
- Jesse Stay
It's not an easy problem AJ, just an obvious one. Surely you think Paul et al are up to the task...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I agree, but I seem to be in a minority. I think people should be categorized for me. Either by the system or my their own choosing. If I disagree with where they put themselves, I can make modifications after the fact.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Daniel, agree. I'm sure Paul and team are up to the task. But this takes time.
- AJ Batac
well I want a Ferrari , but I think both of us are pretty much out of luck
- Kim Landwehr
It also kinda sucks that Jeremiah had to start a new thread to refresh the discussion spawned by the old one. The vastly longer discussions enabled by the beta interface are quickly exposing the weak points in the single-thread conversation UI we're given.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
It's way too much to sift through, frankly.
- Mona Nomura
coldbrew, right. and i have the fridge and microwave next to me so i NEVER have to move.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Mona: If you weren't so full of yourself do you think you might be able to understand that some people appreciate some separation between public and private lives? My point was that lazy_as_a_lifestyle has a point at which it becomes ridiculous, what my username is irrelevant no matter what you write. Sorry I can't conform to your way of doing things. Let me guess, I'm using FF incorrectly?
- coldbrew
Owyang: Awesome! Have you seen the Homer Simpson trick of how to get your beer to you from the other end of the coffee table?
- coldbrew
Coldbrew: I gives you a hug. *jeremiah hugs coldbrew*. :) Btw, I really need a cold brew! *jeremiah reaches over from lazy boy to fridge*
- Jeremiah Owyang
Brew: (since you call me "owyang") no, send me URL to hopefully a youtube video of said Homer trick.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah working from home: http://haacked.com/images... (I kid, I kid!)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, no THIS is me working at home http://fotosa.ru/stock_p...
- Jeremiah Owyang
I think it's a rare case that Jeremiah even gets to be at home.
- Jesse Stay
While I have no problems creating lists etc, I do agree that FF (or any such tool) ought to be able to start getting intelligent about what i like based on the metadata that I leave on the site
- Anand Sharma
I'd like to think a learn filter could be helpful, but I wonder how well that works on scale, Facebook certainly fails on their new friend recommendations as it auto assumes I want to fan what my friends have fanned.
- Patrick Boegel
Facebook also fails to remember when I tell it once that I really don't want to friend this person it's suggesting. Why do I even bother clicking if it's just going to come back next session? What happens when I up/downvote sidebar ads? They're training me to do all of this crap but I see no persistent results that I can directly connect to my actions.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Agreed Daniel they have a huge problem with those sidebar votes, they are not getting more relevant in general.
- Patrick Boegel
I totally agree with this. Friendfeed already knows who are my eight favourite friendfeeders, so why not let me create a list or feed or whatever that is literally "give me only the stuff from my top x buddies"? That would solve it.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
You want something to learn from you... without you teaching it. Hmmm... Is this some sort of Cylon technology we haven't heard of?
- Bwana ☠
Well, there's always Techmeme
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana - i think the personalized version would be called Mememe
- Daniel J. Pritchett
You can create all the filters and lists you want, if you're not following the right people, it's all futile. From your original post, it looks like you don't like the people you chose to follow. So if creating lists/filters is too hard, how about unfollowing those that bother you? Too hard?
- Bwana ☠
I'll wager Jeremiah's problem is more that he follows people with interesting jobs who don't always share interesting links. If Scoble [Like]s a lolcat, should it show up on my feed or not?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Using FeedScrub on some of my RSS feeds definitely makes them more focused. Piping FF via FeedScrub seems v. clunky though.
- Yan
The only way a lazy person can use FriendFeed is to use Techmeme
- Bwana ☠
Social media platforms that don't develop powerful recommender systems for news, discussions and people are going to disappear quickly from the scene. Friendfeed needs to do much more much more quickly on this front. Feedly is already making important strides forward in refining its news recommender system.
- Sean McBride
Developers and software companies that argue that people shouldn't be too lazy to perform tasks that could be performed by software are in the wrong business. Few of them survive in a competitive environment which rewards products that automate human tasks (like finding the most relevant information for a particular person in a particular situation). (Actually, none of them have the slightest chance of surviving -- they don't seem to get what software is all about: more work, less effort.)
- Sean McBride
I love Friendfeed beta the way it's currently designed with real-time updates, infinite filtering options, and ever-updated conversations around topics of the day. That being said, I don't think it will ever reach mass adoption unless it significantly automates the discovery of content or presents a significantly dumbed-down version of what it is. It is too powerful a tool to be adopted en masse. Too much chaos expecting to be ordered. Not everyone's IQ is Scobleized.
- Ryan Miller
Ryan FF is for the outliers. It's not going to be a mainstream tool in it's current configuration. I don't recommend many clients to use it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a question, does FriendFeed have to go mainstream to succeed?
- Bwana ☠
Depends, Bwana. I don't know about you, but I'm having a dollar a month worth of fun on FF and would certainly pay that.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana. No it doesn't have to go mainstream to succeed. BTW: most of the employees are ex-googlers, many who have cashed out. This appears to be a a labor of love
- Jeremiah Owyang
Bwana, that's a great question. I've got a lot of real life friends over here from Twitter but cannot get them conversing. They prefer convos on Twitter or Facebook.
- Sally Church
I agree, that would be nice I suppose, but what would that learning be based upon? It's almost impossible to have a system learn from people who are predominately lurkers for example.
- David Leip
from Nambu
C'mon Jeremiah, give it a try!
- Mike Reynolds
jeremiah - i do the opposite, i've been recommending friendfeed to our editors and j-school's i've spoken at recently as a great example of an emerging tool that easily allows content publishing, filtering and conversation tracking...
- mike "glemak" dunn
@Scobleizer - can I have your lists? I spend plenty of time in Google Reader, Twitter, & FB but could learn much more w/ your lists.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney: nope. I am too lazy. :-(
- Robert Scoble
lists are better than no lists. period.
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Bwana: despite not the desired solution, unfollowing people is a possibility. Yet, the issue remains: if friendfeed knows who are those I read the most from those whom I follow, why don't friendfeed tell me who are those who I should unsubscribe?
- Marcos Marado
I also had some troubles to set my lists & filters. Not that I am lazy (not for that ;-) but I didn't know how to proceed, what was the methodology to make efficient filters : reduce the noise and improve signal.
- Stanislas Jourdan
Fortunately, a friend helped me showing his own lists and filters. (thanks Jérôme!)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Do you go to Google and magically have the results for what you're thinking about appear?
- AJ Kohn
Pritchett: Most of us got that from the beginning and simply took the opportunity to give him a hard time. Others, took it way too seriously, weighed-in and acted as if they are the product manager. I know, internet IS serious biz.
- coldbrew
Bah, the comment that predicated my last 2-3 comments has vanished, making me look slightly nuts. I'll cut mine to clean the thread. Sorry coldbrew.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Single best list to create: pick your five most interesting Friendfeeders and make a list of just their likes. Incredible signal to noise ratio.
- Leo Laporte
Leo Laporte -- it would be extremely easy for Friendfeed to automate the algorithm you just mentioned as part of a Friendfeed news recommender system. Most Friendfeed users are not going to take the trouble to create this filter by hand. But they would click on a single button to produce a ranked list of the new/unread items that are most personally relevant and globally important for them.
- Sean McBride
I too have laziness in excess, and am not inclined to create filters and lists. Some kind of learning algorithm that delivers only the content I desire would indeed make the whole system more streamlined for me personally. Such code is, of course, the holy grail of pretty much all content providers and distributors. Maybe friendfeed will take us there one day, or perhaps google will, or even an as-yet-unstarted company, but each day without it brings us closer to it.
- Slappy Line
Exactly waiting for drop down lists & a manageable UI to make list making understandable/manageable, we're not the one's coding here. Further the filter options are inadequate to say the least
- sofarsoShawn
Slippy 2.0 -- Feedly is already there, leaving Friendfeed and Google Reader well behind the curve. I've come to the conclusion that Friendfeed and Google Reader just don't get the news recommendation thing (although I still admire and use them for other features). There is a good chance that FF and GR will suffer the same fate as Bloglines.
- Sean McBride
It's easy. Click on the name of someone you like. On the right you'll see their number of "likes." Click that. Then subscribe to it. For best results put it in a list called "Likes" that you can then just click it in your list of lists on the right. Whenever I see someone with good taste in likes I add them to that list. Surfaces everything interesting very quickly.
- Leo Laporte
Like that tip Leo - thanks
- Iain
LOL check out the Beginner's room: that tip is in their and many others abound
- sofarsoShawn
Leo: I created a "Likes" list of a few of my favorites in the early days of the beta. However, the UI doesn't allow me to manage the like subscriptions using the (add/remove friends) link for the list. I can neither subscribe, unsubscribe, or simply list the likes on my list. This is a problem to me. It's my favorite list, but it's tainted by this UI bug. A cool, yet unexpected, feature is that it's available on the current production site as well.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I hadn't noticed that Anthony. You can't manage Like lists! Weird. That's a serious bug. I'll submit that to the bug room.
- Leo Laporte
I prefer to make my own list and categories, I found that many times when the list is made through an site or algorithm, a lot is missed or assumed. Besides I am not sure what the list would be based on unless it is likes. That brings up another problem, that many times when I click on like, it means I thought the article was interesting, not that I necessary liked the subject. Plus not I am assuming that many people don't necessarily use like a lot.
- Kim Landwehr
prefer my own lists and filters, but it would sure be nice to have an easy to find collection of some of the best ones for several different areas of interest. Then lazy people could use those, and more importantly newbies could find high signal, and quality people to subscribe to, as well as quality examples of how to make powerful filters.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Video: Trent Reznor’s insights into the future of music as a business http://venturebeat.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Chris Heath, Edgar Rodríguez and 5 other people liked this
I wish to ban "Experts Exchange" from all my Google Search results. Always.
Beaver, Enrico Lamperti, immaterial and 124 other people liked this
There's a greasemonkey script to at least remove the link from the results page
- Topbit
The greasemonkey script mentioned earlier: http://userscripts.org/scripts...
- Aral Balkan
the link: http://userscripts.org/scripts... And there are others there
- Topbit
Google needs FriendFeed filters :)
- Susan Beebe
Don't you mean Expert Sex Change?
- Jim Norris
I tend to include -experts-exchange.com if I'm googling for anything technical. I shouldn't have to do that.
- Mark Trapp
Would be nice to get the ability to get rid of all paid service.
- Tyler (Chacha)
There is never ever a reason to include EE in search results. What, I'm going to pay to get a technical question answered? Are you kidding me?
- You.
Stack Overflow is the best alternative.
- Rich
If you click on the cache link in Google, the "paid" answers are cached at the bottom of the page-- no signup required. :)
- Jeremy Felt
Yeah the cache trick is nice but isn't that a violation of Google's TOS? providing different results to the crawler?
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
No need for the cache...if you scroll all the way to the bottom the answers are there.
- Brian Newman
Interesting... if you open the link (non-cached) in a new tab, the answers don't show, but if you follow the link through google in the same tab, the answers do show at the bottom. Weird.
- Jeremy Felt
The answers are generally way, way on the bottom and only visible if you visit the thread from Google's search results. Frustrating: yes, but there is also a lot of good information in there...
- John μller
I'm not alone. I'd like to bad about.com too.
- Paul Grav
«Interesting... if you open the link (non-cached) in a new tab, the answers don't show, but if you follow the link through google in the same tab, the answers do show at the bottom.» This is even officially allowed by Google these days, it's called "first click free" (others might call it "sort of cloaking").
- Philipp Lenssen
I feel the same way about anything from Associated Content.
- EricaJoy
CustomizeGoogle extension for Firefox (or something similar) allows user to define filters for search to make it more usable.
- Daniel Schildt
Go ahead and allow the results to Experts Exchange to show, and when you get there use this script on the page. http://draconislabs.net/upload... If you need to, save a copy of the info in case you need it later.
- April Russo (app103)
from NoiseRiver
Amen
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Jeremy, set up a Firefox Quicksearch bookmark for Google searches and just exclude the bad domain there, using the following string in the Properties/Location field: http://www.google.com/search... -inurl%3Aexperts-exchange.com
- Erik Dafforn
Sorry, that truncated the URL. After .com, add /search?q=%s -inurl%3Aexperts-exchange.com
- Erik Dafforn
I was able to use info from EE only recently. I would just scroll down to see the answer. Even after they'd done something to prevent that, I would still hit a link that allowed me to scroll down and read what I needed.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Totaly true. Everytime I search for JEE stuff this freaking pages pops up ...
- Marius QúådflÌÊg
am I the only who can kick off *wrong* (in my opinion) links in Google output? http://www.google.com/support...
- A.T.
add "-expertsexchange.com" to your search query? just a thought.
- Dossy Shiobara
@dossy sometimes you have a dream to have it as permanent filter, preferably with feedback to original website that they are classified as morons by 10.000.000.000 users :)
- A.T.
@Jeremy, just as a hack I made you a Custom Search Engine called 'All But Experts-Exchange'. Compare the results of [http://www.google.com/cse...] with [http://www.google.com/search...]. You can access the CSE here: http://www.google.com/coop....
- DeWitt Clinton
A better solution would be for us to enable something per-site with SearchWiki [http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008...]. I actually thought we could already, let me look again.
- DeWitt Clinton
I would like to do this as well, Experts Exchange is the biggest joke. Stack Overflow has everything any more... w/o hiding their answers.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
How do you configure a Custom Search Engine to exclude specific sites?
- Paul Grav
@Paul - once you've set up a CSE, follow the link that says "[Edit this search engine]" and look at the left-hand column under Control Panel for a link that says "Sites". Find the section called "Excluded sites" and then "Add Site". I think our user experience here could be better. The Custom Search Engines are incredibly powerful, but not nearly as discoverable as they could be.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, thanks for the reminder about CSE. It's an incredibly cool feature.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Include this in your query site:-expertsexchange.com
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
totally agree, I hate those wankers
- Toby Graham
@Jason - thanks! Custom Search Engines are perhaps my favorite power feature that Google offers. Come to Google I/O and I'll show off something neat with them.
- DeWitt Clinton
There should really be a search experiment to do this. Exclude the follow sites from your results. SearchWiki doesn't do it AFAIK. I've thought about suggesting the search experiment at work but never got around to it. I think I shall today.
- EricaJoy
me too... hate experts exchange
- mikepk
Erica: Google *does* offer a way to do this in your query. Try searching for YourKeyWord site:-siteIhate.com site:-OtherSiteIHate.com The "-" verbiage is how you tell the engine to *not* return results from those sites. Conversely, you could search "keyword site:MyFavoriteResource.com" to only return results from your intended target.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Scroll to the bottom works for me. And sometimes there's good answers. I think it's ridiculous that I have to scroll to the bottom but... for me it's not worth adding yet another extension or greasemonkey script.
- Robert DeBord
Haven't seen it in the comments, but you can always use the SaerchWiki Labs feature to remove any unnecessary results from view. I think you can go as far as 'ban' a domain.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
firefox addon which applies custom css styles to some websites will be very useful for EE. to show only questions and answer. hide all other crap from pages..
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
How to have an answer to a question, in 110 comments. I love it when we help someone figure out something, FF exists with that underlying community feature: help. 9)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Me too! I hate that site.
- Jess Lee
Jason, it has nothing to do with being ugly. It has to do with them cluttering my search results with information that's behind a paywall.
- Matthew Gifford
It's a good thing they put that hyphen in there, "Expert Sexchange" is obviously not their business model!
- Ryan
Google's results have, IMO, been degrading over the years and EE is just one of the problems.
- Michael McKean
They are a PITA, show up everywhere but only display 1/2 of what you are looking for, very bothersome.
- Allen Harkleroad
+1 the same. I really hate them
- shuvalov
experts exchange sucks
- leonardobag
Amen
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
from IM
I hate them too.
- Enrico Lamperti
Beautiful And Original Product Designs - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008...
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Cee Bee, Mo Kargas, Carlos Ayala and 30 other people liked this
I like that sink.
- Paul Buchheit
wow!
- Mitchell Tsai
Damn really love those sand timers.
- Mo Kargas
Top 5 reasons not to buy the new iPhone from an apple fanboy - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Office - http://web.mit.edu/newsoff...
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I want to marry you, MIT. Maybe not the guy in the photo. But MIT, in general.
- Chris Baskind
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I love Solar energy!! bring it!!
- Susan Beebe
Really, Chris? That handsome beard is not doing anything for you?
- Mark Trapp
Thanks for shedding light on this important subject. Heh, see what I did there?
- Jim Stanger
Jim You caused a bulb to go off in my head..oh wait,it was only a blood vessel.
- Mark Forman
A fine beard, I must admit.
- Chris Baskind
wow, possibly breaking the storage constraint? This is BIG.
- Casey
Yeah -- if it's efficient, it's a revolution. It would change the world.
- Chris Baskind
Where can I start investing ? :D
- Mo Kargas
I wonder how Rockefellers feel about this?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Why are the news stories on this all focusing on the solar aspect? The breakthrough doesn't have anything to do with solar per se, as near as I can tell. Nocera's just come up with a cheap, easy (possibly highly efficient) way to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. That hydrogen can go straight into your electric fuel cell vehicle.
- Karim
Probably because it mates with PV so well. But -- yes -- it could supply any kind of fuel cell. I wanna hear more about this.
- Chris Baskind
Seems like batteries and ultracapacitors would be better for storing charge if that's all you want to do... but since they haven't announced the efficiency of the new process, it's hard to say. "We don't need gasoline anymore" sounds like a less misleading headline than "Solar energy might just work now" ;-)
- Karim
I believe that investing in innovation of alternative energies and other sustainability factors will help bring the US back to #1 (if it's not already there) in terms of technology.
- imabonehead
Hydrogen is going to be a more stable energy storage and transport medium than batteries and transmission lines. The reason everyone is mentioning solar energy is that this could be a way to get around transmission line bottlenecks. Store hydrogen at the massive solar power plant in the desert, transport it to your home fuel cell (and fill up your hydrogen car while you're at it). And of course, if you're in a sunny place, you can skip several of the intermediate steps I just mentioned.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Building a Software Company: How to hire an idiot - http://nukemanbill.blogspot.com/2008...
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Great story.
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Paul, good find!
- imabonehead
OMG this guy totally fell for the loser salesguy ...how sad!
- Susan Beebe
hiring decisions can kill your firm
- Bill Sodeman
Really enjoyed this, though felt bad of course for the author. Really shows that doing as much legwork/homework/digging up front as possible is a good thing and well worth the time put in
- Eric Berlin
While reading this, I kept thinking about your job titles "senior executive vice director of VP coordination & vision".... funny - but sad article.
- Erin "Wifey" Johns
Similar experience: My employer hired a supposed "expert" from a BIG 5 consulting firm. This person was a Global Manager and was going to come to our 30 person IT shop and do us right! Boy, that hiring manager was sooo excited! I about died when I learned that person was coming on board to be my new boss. Long story short: She left 90 days later with her tail between her legs when it was abundantly clear that she completely lacked requisite skills for her position. Couldn't even use PPT or email!
- Susan Beebe
we need a salesperson for our business and this is exactly why we haven't hired anyone over the past 4 years. we're terror-frozen.
- Admiral Anika
Interesting story. Thanks for sharing Paul. The hardest thing for an entrepreneur is to ask the hard questions.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Lesson 5: A turkey was chatting with a bull. 'I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree' sighed the turkey, 'but I haven't got the energy.' 'Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?' replied the bull. They're packed with nutrients.' The turkey pecked at a lump of dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree. The next...
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- Alan Cheslow
This is why I'm not usually impressed by resumes/titles. I want to see real work. Then I'm impressed. It can be a catch-22 though hiring people (for a guy, like getting a date with a beautiful lady - how do you have conversations, until you've had some). "Consultant" can be for real...or mean that someone is "out of work".
- Mitchell Tsai
As a 19-yr-old college grad, how did we get clients that $500 million companies couldn't get? Well, the experienced CEOs know that McKinsey and other consultants just hire sharp (but inexperienced) people from Harvard, Stanford, etc..., and it's a total crap-shoot who you get (for $500-1,000/hr). If we did a good job for CEO of X company, he told VP friend at Y company, and we got the work. There are so many fly-by-nights in this world. Experience isn't worth much if it's "bad experience".
- Mitchell Tsai
Another example of how people with great charisma but no skills can be promoted far beyond where they should be. Another great example is a guy who will be leaving his current job on Jan. 20th.
- Robert Felty
This is really sad isn't it. So difficult to get it right, yet it is the most important success/fail factor for any company. It starts with great people.
- Alexander van Elsas
Dang, that story was rough. I mean did you even proof read it? (LOL)
- Drew Lucas
man, this could've been taken straight out of the E-myth revisited. Definitely a book that guy should read.
- Vincent van Wylick
i just wish i couldn't tell so many similar stories of hiring senior execs w/ great looking experience, resumes, and references who turned out to be completely incompetent
- Deva Hazarika
Actually he was lucky that the guy was so obviously lame and came clean in the end, and that his business wasn't destroyed. What's far worse is a somewhat competent person with great political skills. Much harder to detect and so they have time to do a lot more subtle and potentially fatal damage to the fabric of an company.
- Robin Barooah
"$25K in stuff he said we absolutely needed -- slick brochures, sponsor some conference, ads in the trade journal, coffee mugs, pens with our logo -- I readily paid for." This entrepreneur should have been tipped off right then. Mugs? Brochures? Everyone knows you close the most business with T-shirts.
- Ginger Makela Riker
It raises an important question... how long do you need to wait for your hire to deliver. This guy had to wait for an year, since most startup founders dont have time to baby-sit their employees... how long do they wait before concluding, that they have a bad-hire. Is it 1 month, 3 months, 6 months ( sounds too much for a startup )
- Krishna Gade
Using CSS to Do Anything: 50+ Creative Examples and Tutorials - http://www.noupe.com/css...
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A great list of tutorials
- Chris Baskind
Diary of a Failed Startup - http://www.reddit.com/goto...
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Great quote - "It's very, very difficult to wear both the developer and the evangelist hats at the same time: being a developer requires that you be very pessimistic, so you can see and fix all the problems in your design, while being an evangelist requires that you be very optimistic, so others can feed off your passion. I suspect that if I tried to do both, the cost would be my sanity"
- Eric Kerr
"Linux started as a terminal emulator".. !!!? Or not.
- Nick Lothian
Definitely a lot of points that rang true for me, especially the "Chicken and Egg" point.
- Adam Thorsen
I myself have worked on two start-up concepts and a revitalization effort, each of which bombed, but each one taught me something different. I finally threw in the towel on my last start-up and picked up a full-time day-job because I couldn't find anyone willing to share hats. We were already incorporated, so I was the CEO, book keeper, technology evangelist, sales guy, support tech,...
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- Chris Stewart
from twhirl
Haven't read the article yet, Nick, but Linux didn't start out as a terminal emulator. Linus Torvalds deliberately started working on implementing a "practice OS" called "Minix" from a book, and it grew from there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Phil G
@J. Phil - exactly my point.
- Nick Lothian
Air Hockey Robot - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Computers beating humans at chess and checkers is ok - but Air Hockey is a sacred flesh-only sport!
- Craig Thomler
@markzero asked who has best George Carlin clip to share. Dave Winer just shared this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Religion is BS).
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George Carlin - Modern Man - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Just awesome.
- Jason Wehmhoener
OK... I'm going to say this and then I'll duck.... But I had to really search around on the networks to find news of Carlin's death when you couldn't avoid news about the passing of Tim Russert. Now I'm a big Russert fan as well, but I would argue that Carlin's death was felt by far more people than Russert's was.... Self-serving media? Discus......
- Chris Reed
Well, they were mourning an active member of the news and politics community. Someone they all knew and interacted with on a regular basis. Sure, it was still self-serving but it's understandable, because it hit close to home.
- Ňicķ
But they're not supposed to be self-serving. It's tough, but journalists need to be practically Vulcan-like in putting their own emotions and feelings aside. We have unfortunately, very much lost that. How would we have been served if instead of their calm delivery of a national tragedy on 9/11, folks like Aaron Brown, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw came on the yelling, "It's the end of the world! Run for your lives!"
- Chris Reed
It's been a few hours since TechCrunch has posted an anti-Yahoo post. What's the delay?
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Don't they kind of deserve it Mike. I mean when one of the "innovators" (Joshua) that you've hired says that his experience there was extremely frustrating and blames management when he leaves that says a lot. Stewart couched it much more eloquently but kinda said the same thing in his resignation letter. For execs to trash a company on the way out tells you that it must be really, really, bad there for innovation. Shouldn't pressure be applied to fix that if Yang won't do it on his own?
- Thomas Hawk
I'm not saying they don't have problems. They do. But I think the reporting that is going on right now is way overdone, especially by TechCrunch. I use a LOT of Yahoo services and I'm very satisfied with them. They're never down and I'm happy with the features. Regarding the frustrations of the founders of the companies that they bought - I'm surprised that they lasted as long as they did. Good for them for cashing out and moving on to do something brilliant somewhere else.
- Mike Doeff
And I firmly believe that a Yahoo/Microsoft merger would have been a disaster on the same level as AOL / Time Warner or AOL / Netscape. Companies CAN turn around. Just look at where Apple was in the late 90's and where they are now.
- Mike Doeff
They lasted as long as they did because they had lock ups and were financially incented not to leave. This was Yahoo's opportunity to convince them that they were serious about innovating. Instead Terry Semel was more concerned with convincing a patsy board to make him the highest paid CEO in America in 2006. They deserve every bit of negative fallout that they are getting now. Hopefully it produces change which results in all your favorite Yahoo services actually improving.
- Thomas Hawk
Spot on Thomas. They were compensated.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
What bothers me Thomas is that Google does not have a perfect track record when it comes to acquiring innovative start-up's and keeping the founders happy. Dodgeball was a disaster. Take a look at this photo by the founders who quit Google last year http://flickr.com/photos... Why does Google get a pass on stories like that and Yahoo gets crucified?
- Mike Doeff
Mike: there's a huge brain drain going on at Google too. Lots of "famous geeks" are leaving Google to start new companies, or take time off to enjoy their new wealth. I think that Google gets a pass because it's a company that tons of people still want to work at. Yahoo? Not nearly as interesting a company. The general belief in the valley is that Google is moving up and Yahoo is moving down. That explains a ton of why each company gets the press it does.
- Robert Scoble
Google buys the wrong innovating companies for God only knows what reason. Dodgeball? Jaiku? Picasa? These companies had no chance in the first place. Google gets a pass though because they still innovate there and still do develop kick ass products in house, not the least of which has been the best search engine on the internet for the past few years.
- Thomas Hawk
Robert, I agree with you on these companies going in different directions right now. I also think that Google's brain drain will start to bite them in the not too distant future. Plus they've hired a LOT of people in the last year. That is going to catch up to them as well with more red tape, disorganization, turf wars, politics, etc. It could become another Yahoo if they're not careful.
- Mike Doeff
@Thomas I guess Google wanted to develope services like Jaiku or Picasa from the start but instead of investing so much money on research and developement they have probably realised it would be cheaper to buy an existing company who already created a good product and go on with it.
- Nir Ben Yona
from twhirl
Google buys the wrong companies? I don't agree - but they do seriously f#$k them up rendering them useless. The need a major policy change here
- DC Crowley
DC: companies often buy other companies, not for the products those companies make, but for the people who work there. And, anyway, when a starving startup employee gets to a big company there's a period of just getting used to not having to starve for resources anymore. When I got to Microsoft I remember just watching the live streaming video for a while. It was amazing the kinds of things you get when you work at a huge company.
- Robert Scoble
One last thing before I hit the sack... I don't get the sense that every high-profile person who has left Yahoo had a terrible experience there. Read this blog post from Bradley Horowitz (former head of their Advanced Development Division: http://snurl.com/2lljj I'm sure that part of that is just being diplomatic but he seemed to genuinely enjoy his time there.
- Mike Doeff
This is a great conversation. Needless to say it could never have happened on Twitter. Thanks guys.
- Ole Begemann
Right before I left GM back in the summer of 2006, one of my colleagues and I visited Google and the same day went over to Yahoo. As relatively important customers (GM at that time was bidding on over a million keywords) of course we met with key execs at both companies. The juxtaposition couldn't have been more startling. The Google execs were all about listening and helping formulate solutions for our needs and our vision. Yahoo, on the other hand, were arrogant and dismissive. To me, that says it all.
- Michael Wiley
Mike, you can't really be pointing to Bradley Horowitz's resignation post as proof that Yahoo embraces innovation can you? First off, Horowitz is one of the most savvy *business executives* out there. Horowitz would *never* do something as personally reckless as calling Yahoo execs out like Joshua just did at TechCrunch. That post of his was very carefully crafted business speak. 2nd. Notice how many innovators at Yahoo he thanked in it -- many which are no longer there.
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr still rocks, the world still spins.
- Ross Hill
Flickr, delicious, upcoming, these innovative sites and technologies *could* not only be better today, but along with say a buy of digg and maybe a few other properties, Yahoo could have effectively created something amazing *and* owned social search, which is significant. Instead Yahoo bungled social search, didn't know what to do with these properties and got in the way of innovation, mostly, I'm guessing by pure management ineptitude.
- Thomas Hawk
Of all the "big" internet companies out there, which ones have even attempted to embrace social technologies? I can count on one hand. Yahoo is one of them. They'll get my respect for not sitting back like a LOT of other companies did for a long time. Sure they're having tons of management problems now, but I'm not going to knock their services that I use and enjoy today. Playing coulda, shoulda, woulda is a waste of time in my book. Especially when you have a company as big as they are.
- Bwana ☠
I fault Microsoft for missed opportunities moreso than Yahoo. IE6. Sourcesafe. Office. Sharepoint. Vista. Zune. Windows Media Player. PlaysForSure. They screwed up so many times it's hard to digest at times. No company is perfect, and I think Yahoo does have its issues that we should report on. Personally, I'm not going forget what they did right for me, since the early 90s. Management is only part of a company. Their output still earns my respect, which a lot of hard working people put forward.
- Bwana ☠
While I make my Yahoo jokes about management, I'm not going to forget how their tools enhanced my online experience. The talent at that company is astounding, and a majority of it is NOT at the executive level. So sure, bash management, I don't care. Flickr, Yahoo mail, Yahoo games, Yahoo pipes, My Yahoo, Yahoo UI, Yahoo Instant Messenger, these I do care about and I don't want them to go away because of replaceable management.
- Bwana ☠
Thank you, Bwana and Mike D! :)
- edythe
You can now expand Likes to see all the people who liked an entry
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great!
- K.D.
Once enough people "like" this entry, the demo will come with the post :)
- Bret Taylor
Awesome! Great feature guys!
- Hutch Carpenter
Thank you!
- Robert Seidman
I am doing my part to contribute.
- Louis Gray
Weird, doesn't seem to work in Fluid. Clicking the link quickly shows the loading circle on the right, then does nothing. Works fine in Safari 3.1, though.
- Mark Trapp
Liked just so people see my name when they test it out.
- DeWitt Clinton
awesomesauce! able to see it in action now. nicely done!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
always wanted to know who the others were
- BCK
Yay! Wasn't this enabled a few months ago too?
- Phil G
What is the sort order before and after expanded?
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: it puts people you are subscribed to first, but reverse ordered by the time of like other than that.
- Bret Taylor
awesomeness!
- Thomas Hawk
I notice another change. "You" is the first name listed for all the things I've liked in the past. Even those where I haven't clicked on the expand Likes link. This wasn't previously the case. A bit of work on the Likes sort methodology?
- Hutch Carpenter
Noticed that too, Hutch: do you think it's sorting based on order of likes now? Obviously, with "You" always being first and outside the order.
- Mark Trapp
Mark - definitely putting "you" out front is a change. I still don't know the basis for ranking the other Likes. Maybe the guys will comment here. Or blog it.
- Hutch Carpenter
Great new features everyday!
- Aaron Myers
Hutch/Mark: Bret already said how it's ordered. :P
- Daniel Bruce
Ah, I see it. That'll teach me to respond to a specific comment before reading the entire thread!
- Mark Trapp
@Daniel - ah...so there it is. Thanks.
- Hutch Carpenter
woot, don't need the script anymore
- Andrew Dobrow
I like this addition. Clean, intuitive, simple, perfect.
- Tsega Dinka
a long list of names isn't too useful; why dont you bold the ones that are my friends?
- peter
peter: all your friends are listed first.
- Bret Taylor
More recent likes come first, so as new friends "Like" things, you see them.
- Bret Taylor
Peter, bolding is a great idea, not just here, but in general. It would be an easy way to find friends that you have not yet subscribed to.
- Scott Beale
+1 for bolding names that I'm already subscribed to.
- Mike Doeff
I tweaked the sort order to put "you" first, but apparently I forgot to tell Bret.
- Jim Norris
nice touch
- Steven Hodson
Like about "Like" :)
- Igor Poltavskiy
friendfeed keeps listening to the feedback
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
thankyou
- Duncan Riley
Would be nice if you could collapse them again.
- m13a
I'd like to second that. It would be great if I could collapse them again.
- David Adam
Alex, David - Refreshing the page will do that for you.
- Slappy Line
awesome!
- Sarah Perez
Another greasemonkey script bites the dust
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Indeed Shey, http://ffapps.com/showlikes/ is no longer required. Seeing a list of people who liked a particular entry is a great way to explore and discover users who share similar interests.
- Aviv
چه قدر سریع,ایده اش همین صبح مطرح شد,اسمایلی جیمبووووووووووووووووووو:))ه
- Shandiz
Expanding shows a lot of Likes up in this post!
- Joe Dawson
wow. Nice!
- felix
Yay, my nick is in the screenshot, and now it's in the demo. :D
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Is this the most liked post of all time?
- Mike Reynolds
Is this in the API?
- Yuvi
Mike - This one has "and 213 other people". http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Russellreno
Excellent improvement guys!
- Mark Dykeman
yeah!!
- Barbara K. Baker
I Like this feature and see that 208 other people do too!! Thanks Bret and team!
- Susan Beebe
now I need a feature that permits me to "be-friend" all of them that 'liked' a post. :)-
- Peter Dawson
:-)
- Susan Beebe
Poll: Obama leads McCain in swing states - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
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Sen. Barack Obama is leading Sen. John McCain in the crucial swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, according to a new survey.
- Louis Gray
Are you a swinger, baby - yeah!
- l0ckergn0me
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"Be good"
- Erhan Erdoğan
I love this: "Tamagotchi effect: If you take care of your users, the right investors will rally around you and talented hackers will line up to work for you." Graham +1 ;-)
- Erhan Erdoğan
I like that :). And I appreciated this paragraph in particular: "The curious thing is, this elixir is freely available to any other company. Anyone can adopt 'Don't be evil.' The catch is that people will hold you to it." Friendfeed, clearly, has opened up with clear expectations to "be good." People will hold it (and them, the employees) to that standard, and I think that's awesome :)
- Adam Lasnik
I wish more nonprofits operated using the Tamagotchi effect as a basic operating principle.
- Allan Benamer
from twhirl
Be good! Reminds me of E.T, good post I also like their transparency it gives me confidence in their vision and objectives!
- Joe Dawson
Take care of this user please and make it so when I jump from the normal search to the advanced search, my search query won't be lost :) [also, please give me the link "Search all of FriendFeed »" even when the other search found some results]
- Philipp Lenssen
do you guys need a marketer? Or does that not fall into 'be good" ar ar
- anna sauce
That red chair sure looks comfy.
- Kevin D. White
@Philipp The Friendfeed Feedback room is your friend :)
- EricaJoy
@Paul: Invent a new slogan for FF. You 'll be needing that in future.
- Varun Mahajan
"Be Good" produces "make really Good" software applications! woo hoo! Neat article. Very inspiring to see someone take a stand on "Do No Evil" and then go one step further and commit to "Be Good"! - love it! excellent example and role model for aspiring Web App Devs!! Keep up the "good" work!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
I don't know why, but when they described PB as "cherubic" I just had to laugh. It was so cute!
- April Buchheit
@April - same here! when they described PB as "cherubic" - awesome! angel face!! ha, ha!!
- Susan Beebe
I find it fascinating that there are no comments on the actual Times Blog post but plenty o' comments here and acknowledgement by well over 100 people. Friendfeed power right there.
- Jason Toney
Jason, good point, one of the things I value most about FF is this interactivity.
- susan mernit
I finally read this. Nice article, Paul. Good luck.
- Robert Konigsberg
That Paul Graham's article is one of his best - so true and succinct. I guess, the more social the online world becomes, the better (as in "less evil") will companies need to be.
- Nenad Nikolic
Respected Steve Rubel is a Zealot about Friendfeed. I hope he can back up his claim that it will 'fade away' marketing and PR, didn't we say that about blogs? - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2008...
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I too am watching the impacts about Friendfeed, but for every new tool that comes around, we claim it's a game changer, in reality, it's just evolutionary, and sometimes we even devolve. Do we have to go through this exercise yet again?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Surely it's up to us technologists to provide tools that integrate with whatever the current vogue in social apps happens to be, non-tech PR people shouldn't need to stay on top of what's cool in the geekosphere just in case it breaks through into the mainstream.
- Dave Kinsella
Actually I said it could fade. However what it has birthed is a game changer. Stay tuned!
- Steve Rubel
from fftogo
Also didn't say it would fade marketing and PR. In fact I think it amplifies it.
- Steve Rubel
from fftogo
@jer, i like how you sent the permalink of the discussion. for me it makes it more interactive if i don't have any other noise on the screen instead of the conversation at hand. it has its own tab and i'm more likely to come back and add more to the conversation.
- Tyler Gillies
I'm enjoying FriendFeed too, but as a marketing strategist I don't believe it's a big deal yet. Maybe one day, but not yet.
- Jeremy Toeman
my friend uses friendfeed, we live on an island in the middle of the ocean. i didn't tell him about it. so i consider it officially mainstream
- Tyler Gillies
Obviously the genre that FriendFeed fits in is here to stay, like blogging. However, which one of these presence/microblogging/etc. services (friendfeed, twitter, jaiku, pownce, plurk, or YOUR COMPANY HERE) will be the john the baptist of the new genre is TBA.
- Leif Hansen
people are often afraid of what they don't understand ..i think that steve didn't mean that exactly..i see some very cool apps for friendfeed that haven't been built yet.. noice level is high but tools and filters *will* come me thinks..
- John Furrier
One of the questions, possibly, is what kind of second order knowledge can we derive from the use of the new tool. Web pages gave us 'relevance' based search, blogs and comments gave us 'authoritative' conversation snippets. What is going to be the new concept introducedby microblogging tools is not clear yet. Lifestreaming needs to find its own utility function, and only than it will be able to maximize it.
- David Orban
The fate of FF in the long-run is irrelevant. I think the important thing is that people will crave some type of life stream in order to be able to keep up. Just as people crave a Twitter alternative when it's down. I can follow FF alone and still catch most of the latest news/info I'm interested in. I barely touch my RSS reader anymore.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@STEVERUBEL I think the big game changer is we can do away with the Social Media Press Release now.
- Jeremiah Owyang
@rahsheen, friendfeed _is_ my rss reader now
- Tyler Gillies
Can we keep the SMR if it incorporates FriendFeed? Just been at a seminar this morning where we had to explain blogs to PR people as a precursor to SMRs
- Dave Kinsella
the big game changer would be if any of this stuff matterred. It doesn't
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
At Forrester we define a Groundswell as: A social trend in which people use technologies to get the things they need from each other, rather than from traditional institutions like corporations.
- Jeremiah Owyang
He says "It's a recommendation engine that surfaces content (both pro and amateur) via your peers." It provides me a level of connection and insight (depth and breadth) that is the next step in instantaneous, open conversation. - This coming from a relative amateur
- Paul Jonas
strikes me this is just another medium for PR/marketing - I can't see PR/marketing going away as long as companies need to get their products/services in front of people.
- Riaz Kanani
What Twitter, FF and others offer is simultaneously incredibly retro and oddly futuristic: word of mouth advocacy that can be instantly verified. When I hear about a new product or service from a trusted person on Twitter or FF, I can Google it and see how well it fits my needs. The role of advertising and PR is somewhat diminished, but fundamentally unchanged. The job is to coax people into making quick, emotional decisions *without* much due diligence, because they trust the brand.
- Tom Cunniff
It took Steve a while before he made a post like this. He tends to be careful. I was happy to see it
- Charlie Anzman
Tom Cunnif: "The job is to coax people into making quick, emotional decisions *without* much due diligence" -#ethics?
- Leif Hansen
Absolutely fantabulous linkbait. You're just grumpy you didn't think of it first. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris I just follow Jeremiah.
- Steve Rubel
from fftogo
I'm tending to side with Dennis Howlett today, he's bigger --and grumpier, then most, that's why we love him.
- Jeremiah Owyang
After all the discussion I've seen in the blogosphere about FriendFeed, I decided to check it out finally. I'm still getting the hang of it--if at all-- but I'm willing to guess that as with all other social media platforms, FF might take some time before its use for marketing and PR is fully determined. They've not mastered social media quite yet, after all, and FF is only an avenue where all forms of social media congregate.
- Evette
Leif Hansen - Ethics are very important to me, as I'm sure they are to you. IMHO, there is no ethical boundary being crossed here. Advertising and PR are both sales functions. The job of a salesperson is to make the most compelling case possible for the product he or she is selling. He or she is not obligated to provide an objective summary of all possible alternatives. As long as the sales info provided is truthful about what the product or service will actually deliver, I don't see an ethical problem.
- Tom Cunniff
Yeah yeah. Being online didn't matter much in 1985, and the web wasn't wide spread in 1995. But a lot of us were praising the virtues. I agree it doesn't matter today. But like Steve, I believe that receiving info/communicating in this style will matter a lot in 10 years. I could be wrong :-)
- Robert Seidman
@Evette, not even all forms, yet. There are other aggregators that offer more complete coverage but haven't gotten as much of a boost from the A-listers
- Steve Lynch
from Alert Thingy
Tom Cunniff -Thanks for the come back. I guess its hard for me to see the compatibility of the objectives of providing "truthful sales info" and "coaxing people into making quick, emotional decisions without much due diligence" Hopefully tools like friendfeed actually empower deeper investigation and public accountability into the claims made by various marketeers...
- Leif Hansen
Leif Hansen - I agree it's a difficult balance to maintain. Most companies who have millions to spend on advertising consistently make very good, worthy products. But, it's a competitive world, and so it's impossible to *always* have the very best product with the very best reviews. You still gotta sell what you made, though. You have to make the best claims you can, and position it in a way so that the customer who buys it feels good about the purchase. There's no long-term business in lying to people.
- Tom Cunniff
I think every generation of kids thinks they invented sex. Bloviating about every new web 2.0 gimmick is no different. It reminds me of Lewis Grizzard's quote about being a newspaper columnist. "Being a newspaper columnist is like being married to a nymphomaniac. It’s great for the first two weeks." Twitter, Friendfeed, and whatever gets thrown at us tomorrow are fun while the "cool kids" are there and just another roiling pot of spamvertisements when everyone else finally arrives.
- Phil Yanov
Ars at WWDC: Exclusive preview of mobile NetNewsWire - http://arstechnica.com/journal...
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Great news! The only reason I've held onto my blackberry is because pre-native app iphones couldn't store RSS feeds on disk for offline access.
- Brian Chaikelson
Social Media or Socialized Media? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Jason Wehmhoener, Erin, Mark Lancaster and 4 other people liked this
wow!colorful!
- Shandiz
Twitter is down, so... I'm posting an original message to FriendFeed for the first time. I hope Scoble is happy. - http://chris.pirillo.com/live/
AJ Batac, Larry Rubin, Fred Grott and 48 other people liked this
Welcome to the conversation Chris!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
It's about time.
- Akiva Moskovitz
it is addictive chris - watch out ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Welcome to January 2008! How was 2007?
- Tad
Welcome to FriendFeed Chris. It might be social overload, but it sure as hell works correctly... so far.
- James Mowery
Hope the 'rents are doing better Chris.
- Sean Alexander
Wow, pirillo late to something tech. Fail :) haha j/k...via feedalizr
- Jim Kukral
Scoble's going to want a commision.. heh
- Mike Lewis
Happy to hear it. Friend Feed is 10x more stable than Twitter. At least this way you'll know we got your message ;)
- Jeremy Palmer
Great to have you here! Seesmic is stealing some of the Twitterdown thunder though....
- shanebe
welcome, chris!
- Jesse Stay
from fftogo
Twitter and FriendFeed have two very different conversation mechanisms. FriendFeed's isn't necessarily better, but it works.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
so where do you think Plork fits into all this Chris?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Finally Mr. P joins the conversation!
- Robert Sanzalone
Plurk is not intuitive. I can't find my friends
- Francine Hardaway
from Alert Thingy
so where do you think Plurk fits into all this Chris?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
were happy
- Jeremiah Owyang
Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. Happy. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Happy are we?
- Aaron Myers
Hey look who FINALLY showed up to the FF party?!! about damn time! LOL :-) Srsly - welcome!!
- Susan Beebe
Scoble subscribed to everyone, but me. I'm not happy :)
- водка и актимель
Scoble subscribed to me too. I'm happy now :)
- водка и актимель
hey chris. just go with the friend feed flow buddy. twitter is on thin ice. you have broken your FF posting cherry. welcome aboard.
- Rodney Rumford
Welcome to the FriendFeed conversation, where real talk happens. Sounds cheesy, but it's true!
- Mike Reynolds
Welcome Chris!
- Mitchell Tsai
What a bedside welcome!
- Leif Hansen
from Alert Thingy
What took you so long?
- Fred Grott
The 6 Best Ways to Rock FriendFeed - http://www.scribkin.com/2008...
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This is a comment. Am I doing it right? ;)
- Larry Rubin
Yes weee areeeee : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
LOL oh noes. I have opened pandora's box.
- Phil G
Obama's Short List for VP Leaked to Press - 236 - The Room - http://www.236.com/blog...
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My fav - That guy who can eat all those hot dogs.
- brian junyor
from Mento
LiveScribe pen - http://qik.com/video/93099
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This is Chris Nuttall of the Financial Times showing my his new journalistic tool which also is the coolest gadget I have seen in a long time.
- Robert Scoble
Don't miss this guy and this video. This thing is awesome. He's a technology journalist at the FT.
- Robert Scoble
I saw one of these in the wild last week- looks awesome!
- Larry Rubin
I just convinced a friend of mine to buy one for her boyfriend for his birthday. But now that he'll have one, I'm so jealous that I think I should get one too...
- Trent Olson
For 150 bucks, this pen better have a bottle opener! Seriously though, I played with it last week, and it's really sweet.
- Brian Chaikelson
from Alert Thingy
Who going to do what the LIveScribe people say in this video http://www.livescribe.com/smartpe...
- Rif Kiamil
LiveScribe from Coolest-Gadgets (a blog I writer for) from Feb. http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/2008020...
- Andrew Dobrow
It looks pretty neat, but I don't know that I could ever find a use for it. Too addicted to typing.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I'm too much of a pen nut to use some random ballpoint pen. When can someone develop one of these that works with an arbitrary pen (e.g. my Namiki Vanishing Point?)
- Jason Ziglar
This looks incredible, seriously. I want one but I don't think the software works on mac ;(
- Tony
from Alert Thingy
I can't wait to get one... when they have a Mac version.
- Daniel Shaw
Not a fan of tha paper-based ones. There are ones out there that don't need special paper. Still, novel idea but only works for some.
- Alex
from Alert Thingy
But you have to use special paper, right? And it's got a gigantic long cord on it. Can't see myself ever using something like that.
- mathew ingram
Very cool. If it could be used in conjunction with voip audio conferences, WITHOUT having to use speakerphone, it would be a killer tool for me.
- jcunwired
Wouldn't do me much good -- my handwriting is now so scrawled (after 30+ years of neglect -- using computers and keyboards) that I probably couldn't read my own notes anyway -- but interesting none the less
- Brian Sullivan
its like onenote in a pen.
- Chris Hollander
Kevin Fox of Gmail & FriendFeed on User Experience Design - http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
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A great, extremely detailed article Q&A with Kevin. Stop what you're doing and read this now. I don't want to see any comments for another 15 minutes until you've read this unless you can prove previous comprehension from having already seen it.
- Louis Gray
"A site that visibly promotes how many ’friends’ you have turns friends into commodities, creating an economy where you are motivated to make as many friends as you can. " There goes all my feature requests for a more robust stats section of the site.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I have that very quote in my clipboard, but I admit, I was going to say it's one of my favourite things about FF. :)
- felix
All right, after reading it fully, I never realized Kevin Fox was like the Jonathan Ive of Google Apps. What a loss for Google. I enjoyed the rationale behind why labels exist: never thought of it like that. Most people explain it as "It's better than folders. Now be quiet!"
- Mark Trapp
Love the old Google logos! Sounds like FriendFeed has a very promising UI guy on the team. Yay... The "You said earlier you found 6 types of users for Gmail. What were those? .... No comment. ;-)" is remnants of a less-open philosophy though.
- Mitchell Tsai
"People talking to people facilitated by computers." I believe that about sums up this whole social networking thing ;-)
- Paul Short
Sprague, but it could definitely be applied to things like Twitter, where people subscribe to thousands of others in hopes that they get a reciprocal follower count bump, and let's not forget about Jason Calacanis vying for top spot on twitter follower activity. The ability to get into follower competitions is facilitated by seemingly benign statistics about follower counts.
- Mark Trapp
@Kevin: Great interview, though the pic above looks like a promo for "Kevin Fox's Chiller Theatre Macabre 3000" :-)
- Chris Reed
Mark: When looking at Jason Calacanis's stats this morning http://friendfeed.com/e..., I was surprised to find that almost 45-50% of his readers are age 3-17, VERY different from Robert Scoble and Leo Laporte's age demographics. Is that because of how Jason went about gathering followers? Through the MySpace and Facebook communities maybe?
- Mitchell Tsai
I like the flat hierarchy of titles @ friendfeed, I'm a UI Designer, so of course I look up to kevin's work. Any user experience person should be as flexible and willing to contribute more than interaction sketches. I super like, super karma, super kudos this entry if friendfeed had those UI elements :)
- karl dotter
This is madness!! Folks you can't be serious! I'm sure it's a big joke or something... :)
- directeur
Greg, it's using the FF bookmarklet. When you use it, you can click on a picture to add it to your post.
- Vince DeGeorge
Greg http://friendfeed.com/share... watch the video
- Brian Sullivan
Awesome article. I'm really enjoying reading about user interface design, even though I've never really done it. Very inspiring stuff here.
- ha3rvey (big appetite)
Mitchell: Was it 3-17, or 13-17? If it's the former, that's awesome. And I would agree with that hypothesis: when Calacanis is active on Twitter, he's constantly demanding people react to whatever he's doing, either via comments or follows or whatever. I do know a few months ago he had a goal to get higher than Scoble in followers on Twitter, as well.
- Mark Trapp
Three cheers for Kevin. :-)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mark: 3-17 (but 12-17 was about 90% of the whole 3-17). See Calacanis chart stored here http://picasaweb.google.com/MitchTs... or the live one here http://quantcast.com/calacan...
- Mitchell Tsai
How does it even know that? You can't legally track someone's data if they under 13 to begin with.
- Mark Trapp
Not only am I a happy user of all of the products mentioned in this article, as a UI designer I often find myself referring to these products in design discussions with my teams.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mark: No clue... Maybe Quantcast does some estimating based on subsampling to fix the raw data? (e.g. conduct in-person interviews on a random subsample of the population)
- Mitchell Tsai
Seriously, you're doing all this for a thesis? a PhD? WHY? I mean... Are you "sciencizing" and "theorizing" socialmedia? All this is so ephemerous, so humanly erronous and lying, It doesn't deserve nobody's time and efforts...
- directeur
directeur, maybe this isn't the community for you.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: Let me very friendly don't agree :) Because in THIS community you have to study these things to be admitted? (no trolls, nothing, just a notice)
- directeur
@directeur what is it exactly that you're talking about?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
reading this was like...read, read, *lightbulb*, read, read, *lightbulb*, *lightbulb*, read, *lightbulb*....
- Iain Baker
@Shey: I was wondering on the life in a socialmedia context, I find it so exagerated to study things like Scoble/Dupont/Smith followers and such... I asked if it's for a thesis... because if not, I'm really wondering how come I feel the only one to think that it's exagerated and somehow strange behavior...
- directeur
What, exactly, is exaggerated or strange about it?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: saying "Calacanis chart" for example, I find it exagerated... I wonder about the need to study this... You are free to do whatever you want!! I'm just wondering, I wanted some exaplanations, I really needed to know why would someone like me or you spend time on studying a so vague and IMHo useless thing as the "Calacanis chart"... I may be wrong, so please correct me if i'm wrong
- directeur
directeur, you jumped into the middle of a conversation between a few of us about a specific part of the story: calling what we're doing strange, exaggerated, stupid, silly, or any other abusive term isn't constructive. Think of this like real life: how would you feel if someone interrupted a conversation you were having with someone to tell you that what you're talking about is stupid and wrong and exaggerated?
- Mark Trapp
Hey look! It's an interview with Kevin Fox! ;-)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mark: My bad, sorry, I though that the discussions here were open to everyone. and indeed they are, but it's still my fault, why the heck have I the need to share my own opinions? Sorry.
- directeur
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Directeur: Mark said it very well: The discussions are open and you're free to say what you like, but so are other people. If you come in and harshly criticize others, you have to accept the reality that others will harshly criticize you back. It's just like the real world.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, I was wondering, like any "mediterranean" usually do, maybe it's my english, but I never meant to be harsh... anyway.. Sorry again!
- directeur
directeur: No worries. I appreciate your comments, and love that we're getting such diverse international usage!
- Kevin Fox
I'm so impressed that Bret set up and configured everything before your first day. That says a lot.
- Ginger Makela Riker
I like the concept of everyone having the same title. Excellent read. I have learned something.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Ginger That says Bret has no need for a Field Tech person to me. ;)
- EricaJoy
I like the photo. Kevin's got the classic visionary staring-into-the-distance pose but at the same time he has this critical are-you-sure-this-is-right expression. It's the heroic UI reviewer.
- ⓞnor
I call that look "Magnum"
- Kevin Fox
Oh! Oh! Now do "Blue Steel"
- April Buchheit
If you roll over the thumbnail above, it changes to me doing "Blue Steel".
- Kevin Fox
oooh... when do we get to see Le Tigre and Ferrari?
- Ross Miller
So cute to see April's picture pop up over her name. :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
83 likes on this article (so far). Kevin, you're quite the popular fellow.
- Louis Gray
Awesome article. Had it in one of my browser tabs all day, finally got around to reading it. Kevin - you designin' fool! You've had a hand in some really great projects.
- Hutch Carpenter
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