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This idea that poor people don't work hard is pure rubbish and needs to stop.
Kol Tregaskes, Daniel W. Crompton, Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど and 33 other people liked this
...hear! hear!
- .LAG liked that
A day in the fields would dispel that notion pronto.
- Todd Hoff
The less you get paid, the harder you have to work.
- Stephen Mack
Aye Aye!
- Faraz Mullick
^5
- just ZONED
Thank you, Alex!
- Jenny R
But, but, it's so much easier for me to think that poor people have themselves to blame...
- Eivind
ROFL, Eivind...and Chris, I'm working, but I wouldn't say that I'm breaking a sweat.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
No, Mark, I don't think so. I often hear people write sentiments similar to "I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it." It's pure ridiculousness to think like this.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I also enjoy the notion that everyone can make it out of poverty... except wealth is a pyramid. You can't have everyone at the top because the pyramid would fall over. How do you get an entire population to 'work smart'?
- Johnny
You don't, Johnny. Not to mention the fact that even those who are "working smart" get laid off or get sick to the point where they can't pay their bills...and the working poor? They are often one stiff breeze away from complete financial catastrophy.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
What's also odd is that these days what we think of as low-middle class is really the working poor. The government hasn't updated their baselines for poor vs low-middle class in decades.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
10 years ago the median income in California was about $43k for a family. $43k for a family in the Bay Area or Los Angeles is poor. That's not a living wage. And that equates to about $20 per hour for one person or $10 an hour for two. Those are figures that people typically think of as living wages, when it just isn't the case in those areas.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Up here in Oregon? We are either solidly middle class or high middle class. I might not be Chris White rich, but I can't really complain about our financial situation.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Cristo == Chris White
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
No, he's Alex Scoble
- Johnny
Wouldn't it be nice if no one had to work to "make a living"? Couldn't we automate a lot of those jobs that people are currently not "working smart" enough in? Is the only reason they exist so that the rest of us can look down on the people who currently do that menial drudgery and call them lazy because they weren't in the right situation to end up where we are? I wish that "work" was...
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- Lindsay
I like Lindsay's idea of fully automated everything... I vote for that!
- SAM
That would require machines to innovate and build things. I think we are along ways away from that ever happening.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If you look at the last couple hundred years. Most of the drudgery related work HAS been replaced by technology and machines. No one in the civilized world has the job of carrying buckets of water from the river to the house anymore.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Plenty of people still do mindless drudgery, Jeff. Having to work at a fast-food restaurant qualifies. There are still people who tighten the same widget 1000s of times a day on assembly lines. And no, you wouldn't need machines to innovate. That is something that people could and would still do. That's the only kind of jobs there should be... creating and innovating. People enjoy that...
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- Lindsay
Some people enjoy doing tedious and menial things though, Lindsay. Not everyone is creative. Even within software development you have a range of people, some who are innovative and on the cutting edge and others who are doing QA work. Some people truly like to paint houses. It takes all kinds.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I still don't see any way of picking fruits & vegetables without manual labor. Strawberry picking is one of the worst jobs I've seen. There's a reason why someone who was born here is unwilling to do that sort of work. It's hard.
- Rodfather
Heh, Mark is just asking for trouble.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
There can be only so many doctors, lawyers, CEOs, etc., and not everyone is cut out for the jobs that typically pay highly. Someone's got to do the unskilled and semi-skilled work or society breaks down. But if people can't support themselves at those wages (including education, healthcare, and retirement), we as a society have other problems.
- Tinfoil 2.0
@Alex - if you would do your job if you didn't have to "make a living" from it then more power to you. Your job is mostly an art at that point. I used to (when I had time) make extremely complex beadwork creations that took thousands of similar repeated movements and many hours to complete. I did it because I enjoyed it. It wasn't "work" in the traditional sense. I wasn't making a...
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- Lindsay
The problem is that there are many jobs that are pure drudgery (PCI Compliance anyone?) but that need to be done and that can't be automated anytime soon. Sure we can use tools to make them easier to do, but it's still drudgery. Those types of jobs aren't going away any time soon.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
And to automate a lot of things, you need machines, and someone's got to design and manufacture and ship and install and maintain the machines. Well, until Skynet anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Law is an interesting field in that most of what lawyers do is completely boilerplate and uninteresting. Lower end attorneys often do the same thing over and over again for the partners of a firm in the process of learning the law. Yet it's an example of drudgery that pays well. Not all high paying jobs are interesting and not all low paying jobs are drudgery either. Teaching is a great example.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
One of my favorite books had this scenario: The government offered a prize to anyone who figured out how to automate their job: They got a giant bonus + their full wage for the rest of their life, plus some profits from the innovation. Anyone who was put out of work by the innovation was also given their full wage for the rest of their lives. The companies that benefited from the...
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- Lindsay
Lindsay, more free time was always held out there as the utopia of progress as I was growing up. But instead people today generally are working more hours, multitask more (with its inherent inefficiencies), and have less dedicated free time overall.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I live in a agricultural community. To think a farmer can even afford a robot to pick their crops is just silly.
- Rodfather
Do you think that's a good thing, LogEx? Why do we work more hours? Are we generally getting paid less over the hour? Free time is the commodity I value most behind paying my bills. And the only reason I don't have enough is because I have to pay my bills. Just because my time would be free doesn't mean I wouldn't work or be productive in it. Just not for SOMEONE ELSE's benefit. I would take more vacation time over a raise if it were an option.
- Lindsay
I don't think it's a good thing at all. Cost of living including education, healthcare, and retirement is higher, so people have to work more to make ends meet. I agree about time... it's the one thing you can never get more of and I value it greatly.
- Tinfoil 2.0
@Rodfather - they can afford tractors and other things to maintain their crops... if a robot was a common tool for farms they'd afford that too. Yeah it's silly now, but not forever.
- Lindsay
I'm not a fan of unions, MVB, mainly because they protect the kind of work that I'd like to see get automated. Just because someone CAN do it doesn't mean someone SHOULD. The way our economy works now it's pretty much unavoidable, but someday things will change. We need to get people educated so they can be more creative and innovative and not be condemned to working at skill-less jobs.
- Lindsay
Again not everyone can be educated or even wants to be educated on being creative and innovative...and creation and innovation don't always or even often equal lots of money anyhow.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
@Alex - A lot of the law stuff (especially the boilerplate) is already being automated by software. As for teaching, I don't consider that a menial job involving drudgery at all. It's a vital part of encouraging us to be creative and innovative. And if people had more free time they would educate themselves, form groups around interests and educate each other... We can see some of that online now. Teaching will still be an important job as long as there are people who don't know everything.
- Lindsay
Teaching was an example of a job that isn't menial or drudgery but that doesn't pay very well.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm not focused on the pay grade. I think that if a job can be automated and it is not something that challenges a person in a good way then it should be automated. I don't care how much you get paid or not.
- Lindsay
What you get paid is absolutely germane to this discussion though. There are plenty of people in expensive metropolitan areas who have jobs they love, that are interesting, necessary and that don't pay well and it's a real and increasing problem.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Yes, Mark. A teacher with a Masters degree and 5 years of experience gets paid $10-20k less than a chemical engineer with a bachelors just starting out.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
LOL, or commute an hour or more because they live in a huge city with lots of traffic. Unless I'm lucky enough to get a job working from home, I expect a long commute for a new job anyway.
- Lindsay
I work for Social Services and make less than a teacher. I'm sure not lazy and my work is important. So why am I so underpaid? Because the state sets my salary, and everybody always insists that cops and teachers must have raises. Guess where the budget gets cut?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Probably not, Christopher, if she's not doing repetitive manual labor, and probably is doing a lot of organizing people and information. That stuff isn't as easy to automate.
- Lindsay
I don't have all the answers, Alex. But work for the sake of having everyone work, despite whether it lets them fulfill any purpose (other than earning money) or potential (a waste of time, attention and energy), when the job could be automated, to me, seems unethical. Given that right now we don't have the means to automate a lot of the jobs that I would like to see automated, then in...
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- Lindsay
Yes...automate everything...
- Mo Kargas
Yeah, I don't think any of us have all the answers or even most of the answers, which is why we are talking
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
ROFL Mo!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
This may surprise you due my very obvious conservative bent on here, but a family friend who was a bigshot in the South FL real estate biz once told me this at dinner: "Everybody works hard, whether they're taking out trash or managing a company, so just make sure you're getting paid the most you can get for every bit work you put in"
- LANjackal
Re: teacher's pay. My wife's first year teaching salary was 60% less than what my employer is paying a newly-graduated software developer. Both with Master's.
- I like big Botts
from FreshFeed
Glen: Funny, that's actually nearly the opposite here in Aus. In Adelaide at least. When I first graduated, I was on 30k, while a female friend of mine was on 65 (teacher). Neither with a Masters, mind you.
- Mo Kargas
National Sarcasm Society
Larry Roth, .LAG liked that, Alex Scrivener and 40 other people liked this
Like we need your support
- Shey
WHATEVER
- Anna Haro
I'm a full-fledged member & fluent in its intricacies
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I <3 it @shey! sooooo much!
- .LAG liked that
....but I'm not coming to ANY meetings...
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Lol, Shey! :o)
- Ken Morley
CAN'T WAIT for y'all to join
- Shey
SURE, this sounds like A LOT of fun.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Shey, it would go down well in the Commonwealth ;-)
- Sally Church
Like I've never seen this before
- Pete D
hahahah!
- Susan Beebe
Great! I've been looking for ANOTHER freaking society to join. *eyeroll*
- Yolanda
Because your other societies are SO much better
- Shey
@shey: this is totally the most awesome thing you've ever shared here on FF, ever. it's a significant, seminal moment. let us recognize.
- .LAG liked that
LMAO
- Shey
Brilliant ...
- Patrick Jordan
Sorry, I'd join, but I'm washing my hair tonight.
- Steven Perez
Free Rat's Ass with every new membership...(when that new shipment comes in next Wednesday)
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
We're thrilled to welcome all our new members! ...
- Shey
Can I be treasurer?
- Mary Carmen
Great. Just what we need, new members.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
My dad must have been one of the Founding Fathers of that society.
- Spidra Webster
My review of the new iPod Nano is now on Suntimes.com! http://www.suntimes.com/technol...
Larry Roth liked this
Decent quality. But Andy, you need to buy one just for video now.
- Paul Puri
The End of Driving: Mike and Maaike introduce the Autonomobile - http://www.core77.com/blog...
Andy Bakun, Mark J, Matt Cutts and 64 other people liked this
"Research revealed that self-driving cars, once a fantasy requiring an entirely new infrastructure, are now technologically possible, even inevitable. Savvy robotics are here and real. Advances in GPS, sophisticated sensors, and navigation databases will allow driverless vehicles to operate on the same roads we have today."
- Brad Williamson
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The "Arts & Culture" room focuses on the smarter side of the Web. Join us and embrace new insights ;-) http://friendfeed.com/arts-an...
- Brad Williamson
OMG! This is so ingenious! (Sorry, if I'm over-excited, but this is really cool.)
- Kimber Scott
Is that a bathtub in the car? o.o
- Soup in a TARDIS
This makes me think about a futuristic place like that portrayed in "The Prisoner" back in the late 60's. (Though I don't think they had any self-driving cars... just self-guided "capture" balloons!)
- Mark J
The cars in Demolition Man were self-driving. I loved that movie.
- Kimber Scott
from email
years ago i am telling that tramways or railway are obsolete since the futur in town is the automatic electric car. no doubt on it. let's build it !
- Baptiste Cadiou
This makes me sad. I love driving.
- Leslie Poston
Leslie: My future self's first order of business will be to set up a free-range driving park for antique enthusiasts such as yourself.
- aldenoneil
lol
- Leslie Poston
of course then I read THIS kind of story and can fully see the value in this technology: http://www.nytimes.com/2009... Yipe.
- Leslie Poston
in the future it will be so cool that we will all move around in a matrix pod autonomously. heh
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
It's crazy to think that, if this idea is made into a reality, people will be getting hammered in vehicles. That's just wild.
- Brad Williamson
Cool! These look like mini RV's
- stockmanmarc
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from email
Shouldn't have pre-ordered my Snow Leopard from Amazon. Won't be here till Monday. Might have to drive to the Apple store in Emeryville.
Larry Roth liked this
Actually I preordered my from Amazon and the estimated delivery date was Sept 1st. I just had a Courier up to my office and I am holding 10.6 in my hands!
- Jeremy Behrens
Does it make that much difference?
- Alan Morris
from iPhone
BrandLogic Dialogue: Does your site have a consistent user experience? 12 ways jQuery can “save the day”. http://blog.brandlogic.com/2009...
Larry Roth liked this
Moo point? http://www.youtube.com/watch... "it's like a cow's opinion ... it just doesn't matter ... it's moo"
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The Ramones’ Guide to Killer Content - http://www.copyblogger.com/the-ram...
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Great find Larry.
- Larry Roth
FriendFeed is like hanging out at the bar/club. You might see some people from last time and you might meet some cool new people. Facebook is like...a high school+family reunion.
Ladyepiphanybug, Carmen wBabby, LouCypher and 48 other people liked this
Spot on.
- Matthew Horton
That's a great analogy.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
yup
- Susan Beebe
Yup... and that's kind of why you don't want to mix them together, at least I don't. keep em separated.
- .LAG liked that
Well, facebook already has a somewhat complicated set of privacy controls. I think they (could?) allow you to filter things on a per-person basis, but who the F*CK wants to set that up?
- Rah-PM 2012
I find Facebook super-cryptic.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Facebook makes me feel like a failure.
- Maria Niles
I'm pretty good at figuring out things, UI's, devices, whatever. Facebook still eludes me. I have no idea how to do most things there, especially when it comes to applications. I have wanted to remove the FF app for a while now...
- Rah-PM 2012
Yep, good analogy. Now if Facebook would just let us (optionally) implement FOAF, that would be a kick.
- Nick in Manila
Yes, separate but close - not sure how that works. From between the lines in the announcement it doesn't sound promising for FF to live on as we know/love it. They should solicit existing users of both to be reps for moving FBers over...bounty hunting!
- Thom Kennon
@Rahsheen: click on the "Applications" button on the toolbar at the bottom of the screen. Then click "Edit Applications". That will bring up a window listing all of your apps, and then you can remove them by clicking the little "x" next to the app that you want to remove. *EDIT* Or you can go up to "Settings" at the top of the window, and select Applications from the drop down menu.
- Wizetux
A reunion with stupid games that other people want you to play and keep asking even after you say no.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
I went to that screen, Wize. I remember being overwhelmed, but I don't remember why i didn't do what I'd come to do. I probably didn't see the "x" LOL
- Rah-PM 2012
They remove the "x" if you use the dropdown to filter the applications. WTF.
- Rah-PM 2012
i agree. there's actually some valid theory behind your statement as well. But for some, this doesn't apply.
- Liz
ok, i got it. thanks Rahsheen. i needed that.
- constance taft
My thoughts exactly
- zephyrlily
@zeph: mine, too
- LouCypher
Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):
HealingBrush, Chris Martin, lolise and 149 other people liked this
I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact.
- Tom Landini
I guess Facebook just got real time search engine!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What do facebook get out of it?
- Ruchit Garg
Fact or fiction?
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before.
- ydfeed
It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material.
- JCunwired
it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook
- Edgar Rodríguez
I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it.
- Derek Shanahan
how much for?
- Ruchit Garg
BAD 'n SAD :((
- sid 【ツ】
Great match to take on the Twitter machine.
- Ryan Cummins
what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....??
- Denis
++Edgar
- Ryan
Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Nir Ben Yona
Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech.
- DGentry
I don't like it
- Jason Hargrove
Bad news, if true.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
How can i shut down my ff account?
- Fotis Alexandrou
I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate
- Bwana ☠
If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time.
- Bora Zivkovic
:(
- Sinem Co
There goes your data.
- Jason Hargrove
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
Whats FriendFeed anyways?
- Marco Horta
so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol
- Than R
How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ?
- Harry Wolff
I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed...
- Torsten Eckert
haha you're right Richard
- Ken Seto
I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow
- Rodfather
OMG.
- Nathan Chase
maybe they can implement threads?
- Jeremy Toeman
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
double wow.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Friendbook? Facefeed?
- Jeff Harbert
If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved.
- Costa Walcott
bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping
- Edgar Rodríguez
trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed
- Stuart Miniman
But if it isn't true we would have heard by now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
apprehensive about this
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
I want to hear the $$$ number
- moo yu
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@robert no we wouldnt have
- Jeremy Toeman
It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Costa Walcott
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Tom Landini
I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late.
- Harry Wolff
What's looking shiny and new now? :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it.
- JonSupermurray
Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable.
- Peter Ghosh
Seriously, how can i shut it down?
- Fotis Alexandrou
We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF.
- Antoniu
Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj
- Roger Jennings
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
bad days are coming
- Ahmet Soyata
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it.
- Alejandro
Nir Ben Yona +1
- MugeCerman
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Geeks and fb not a good mach
- thomas elton
from iPhone
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter dissed again.
- JonSupermurray
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Crap, its official !
- Peter Dawson
This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah!
- Markus Tressl
then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on
- Ingmar
Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Mrinal Desai
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- David Peacock
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
If true, congrats to the FF Founders!
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
it's true damn!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
How Much ? $$$ ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
So, where do we migrate to now?
- Byron McCollum
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
back to the twitter
- emresezgin
I want numbers. how much did facebook pay?
- Zac Bowling
soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- johnny2009
Hum...let's see what happens.
- Chip Hanna
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Its going to be called Facebook.
- DGentry
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- JCunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's?
- Thom Kennon
what do you think Robert?
- courtney benson
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- JCunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- JCunwired
Please no. I don't like FaceBook...
- Svartling
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- JCunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Boyd
EndFeed.
- Alex Schleber
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l
- paul mooney
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't like it...
- Harry Mahardhika
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
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My absolute biggest beef with the FriendFeed+Facebook merge is not about the technology or the UI. Part of the attraction of FriendFeed for me is that it's open. Facebook is not. I also can't find interesting people to follow on Facebook easily because it wasn't designed for that.
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How open? Open enough to let you bring your toys into the playground, but not open enough to ______?
- Ed F
Yes - this exactly. I feel like FB is the family (good or bad) that I sit around the dinner table with. FF is the exciting salon where I find interesting new people, exchange ideas, debate the news and share a drink. My family can visit the salon for a coffee, but it would be the devil to try to cram you all into my livingroom.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Don't forget censorship: https://friendfeed.com/jcunwir...
- JCunwired
I agree. I keep completely different circles on FF and FB. Im worried about the "worlds colliding"
- Dennis O'Neil
...ditto, here, Rahsheen. I like sharing and discussing stuff here on FF so that people can go out and see it on the wonderful World Wide Web, on their own. I don't want to share stuff just to keep people trapped inside of an application whose ultimate purpose is to anlayze my interactions in order to build the perfect advertising system. meh!
- .LAG liked that
I kinda wish that the FriendFeed founders would make their code open source so that we as a community could recreate the site and make additions to it as we see fit. Then we would control our own place.
- Wizetux
http://code.google.com/p... http://laconi.ca/trac/ http://openmicroblogger.org/ http://noserub.com/ Take your pick, mix and match if you're brave enough
- Ed F
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FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
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:(
- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- marina remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
):
- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
:(((
- Oguz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- @barisunver #beyn.org
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- ◄ 道 ► D/\\/|I|D ッ
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- رامین
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat Demirel
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat Demirel
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete D
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- stanjourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- Hamed Safa
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- CNFRMST
Thnaks :)
- Exir
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ابوهدی
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ابوهدی
:((
- AJ Batac :)
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- شاطر امین
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- شاطر امین
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent - Yes I am
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- Mahdi Motamed
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FF88
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- SteVe C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- رامین
jeddi?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- Hamed Safa
from IM
:)))))))))
- حُسین آفلاینـ
is it still filtered?
- آرام
یادش بخیر!
- ابوهدی
Scholars 'discover' Twitter at conferences is used for realtime learning. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Chrome OS has the same problem as "iPhone SDK 1.0", you can't write native apps. I get that's the whole point of it, and that's why it sucks
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I think people are overlooking the power of having consistent interfaces that are dictated by the OS standard controls. I think it will be a usability setback when each app is designed differently.
- Larry Roth
@LarryRoth could you turn off whatever's auto tweeting all your friendfeed votes? Hard to follow folks with lots of automated posts.
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Looks like Wikipedia is using jQuery as part of their usability initiative. http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki... (Thanks everyone!)
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Wikipedia is now using jQuery! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... (View Source)
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cool :)
- Tanaydin Sirin
they should use...
- Hüseyin Mert
HTML 5 Parsing - http://ejohn.org/blog...
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Opera will cache scripts in an iframe across page reloads and *browser restarts*. A nice sprinkle of crazy to liven up the day.
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