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In the spirit of @LKM post on Twitter: How to make money on Google Wave: Close Wave and get some real work done ! :-)
Lars G. Sehested liked this
Looking forward to getting access so I can close it, then :-) Just closed Facebook as well - I'll be rich!
- Lars G. Sehested
Features | drupal.org - http://drupal.org/project...
The missing module for Drupal!
- Lars G. Sehested
Just solved the first two problems on projecteuler.com using #ruby and had lots of fun using all of Ruby's expressiveness in the solutions.
Go take a look at http://projecteuler.net/index... :-)
- Lars G. Sehested
Lars - Very nice! But watch out or I'll catch up to you! ;-)
- Rasmus Grouleff
I pity the fool who is attending the metaprogramming tutorial without having attended Dave Thomas' talk at RobyFools back in spring.
Ah, well... I think it makes sense anyway :-)
- Lars G. Sehested
Twitter blames its users - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Brian Bufalo, Jed White, Stanton Champion and 33 other people liked this
I think you played it cool. Cool post and you didn't pull an Arrington. In other words, you did a good job toning down the ego and seeing it's a community issue rather than a Scoble issue :-) Even if that IS what Twitter meant.
- Andrew Dobrow
"pull an arrington" - love that!
- marty nickel
from twhirl
"I’ve sent 3,598 tweets (Twitter messages) — Scoble has sent 12,318. This is clearly putting a strain on the service." That's the equivilent of over THREE heavy users then. Scoble is clearly abusing Twitter's stable system.
- Chris Nixon
scoble dude. calm down.
- Alex Gawley
I'm wondering will Google also say sometimes that You got our servers down because you send 2000 emails everyday.. where our system is built to hold load of just 30 emails everyday!!
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
Alex: I'll calm down when Twitter stops blaming its users and fixes its service. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is just built better. It has to do the same thing as Twitter, send out messages/information (longer than 140 chars I might add) from one users to 12,000+ followers, etc. FriendFeed isn't having issues. Yes, FF isn't as big as Twitter yet, but I have the feeling the Ex-Google engineers here at FF know what the hell they're doing more.
- Ben Parr
Robert, this time you couldn't be more wrong. Read the post carefully once again . Twitter is simply explaining how things can go wrong from time to time - certainly not blaming you.
- Ron Emrick
We just have to face the fact, Twitter has hit the limit of scalability now.. They need an intelligent consultant to help them resolve their issues! Anybody, help!!
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
Ron, here's what Alex Payne said: "The events that hit our system the hardest are generally when “popular” users - that is, users with large numbers of followers and people they’re following - perform a number of actions in rapid succession." THAT IS BLAMING. And, since I'm the only one who has 20,000+ followers and behaves like that, they are being very specific in their blame.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter just leveled down... bad form Twitter, bad form.
- Bwana ☠
They're not blaming you. They are blaming themselves for being unable to cope with you and other superusers.
- Jamie
@Ron The point is that the system was designed incorrectly. Either you build it to scale for someone to have 20,000 mutual contacts or you limit the number of contacts. Or you limit the eleventy billion "graph a pretty picture of your Tweets" apps that have access to your API. It is NEVER the fault of any action done by your users unless they are running a DDOS against you, and at that point, they cease being users anyway. And OMG, did I just write a rant defending Robert Scoble? I do believe I did.
- Cyndy
That's about as plain as you get. They're saying they can lighten the load by limiting power users in a nutshell. Sigh.
- Bwana ☠
Jamie: well, then they can come here and say that and apologize for causing my name to be at the top of TechMeme right now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll end by saying its unfortunate you see it as BLAMING when I really believe its EXPLAINING! :-) I think you may be taking this a little too personally. Twitter is finally doing a good job acknowledging the problems they have and communicating them to us all as much as they possibly can. I'm sure they never intended for this sort of discussion to occur when they published their post. All in good fun Robert...
- Ron Emrick
and they just got $15 mil in funding?
- MikeAmundsen
@jowyang showed us the 'real' Twitter problem - it's the few birds that are flying the wrong way ;)
- Kate
Ron: when your name is used in headlines at http://www.techmeme.com, then you can not take it personally. This stuff IS personal. It's called social software for a reason. :-)
- Robert Scoble
To me, instead of playing the blame game I would think that twitter would take advantage of its power users learn their patterns and build out to scale.
- Kevin Tunis
robert - no offence intended when i suggested you 'calm down' just trying to lighten the tone :) I think that the original post was not very well written and quotes have been wrenched out of context and now it seems much worse than it was. When I read the post I read it as: Our architecture does not scale well and so we can't serve the most prolific users of the service well. I thought it was quite mea culpa...
- Alex Gawley
@Cyndy - Agreed 100% that the problems lie at the feet of Twitter and not Scoble or any other high profile Tweeters out there. I just believe that the context and intent of the post was *never* to blame but rather to explain. I can understand why some may see it as "blame" but I simply disagree... hope that helps explain my position a little better.
- Ron Emrick
Ron: explaining? OK. It's still down. They made it sound like the biggest load is noisy popular users (there's only really one of those in the world) doing rapid tweets. Only I behave that way. So, why is the system still down? I stopped Tweeting, yet IM is still down, track is still down, and the site itself is slow. Does this go to their credibility? Let's say they are right. Why penalize everyone then? WHy not just throttle the popular accounts? Wouldn't that fix the problem? No? Why bring it up then?
- Robert Scoble
Robert - shouldn't your ire then be directed at VentureBeat? They're one of the first (if not the first) to identify you as someone to "blame".
- Ron Emrick
Why would Robert infer that he is being blamed? He loves to be the victim. Al3x didn't blame anyone, and Robert is twisting this whole conversation around to be about himself. Al3x gave a very frank answer about what specific actions their current architecture has issues with. That's not blaming anyone it's telling the truth, something that people like Robert have encouraged them to do over and over. Now that Twitter is finally communicating with their users, Robert finds something else to attack
- Clint Ecker
Lets not forget hat they went down on the day of the Tweet Out as well
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Ron, Scoble is widely known as the top Twitter user. We didn't need VentureBeat's help to figure out who Twitter was talking about.
- Bwana ☠
"WHy not just throttle the popular accounts? Wouldn't that fix the problem? No? Why bring it up then?" Maybe because they aren't blaming the users, and think that people like you SHOULD be able to use the service in the way that you do.
- Ian Betteridge
And why doesn't Friendfeed have the same issues? Because it's no where near as big as Twitter. I don't even know why you would bring FF into this whole matter. It's not even close to the same scale.
- Clint Ecker
Ron, that isn't an explanation. An explanation is "Gee, we didn't realize that our architecture wouldn't be able to handle the load when we have several users with over 5000 mutual contacts, and we need to figure out how to fix that or set limits on the number of contacts. This is why marketing folks wisely keep the programmers away from the public in most instances.
- Cyndy
Gah. FF doesn't allow enough characters. I'm just going to hop on the bitchmeme train and blog it.
- Cyndy
Clint: >>Why would Robert infer that he is being blamed? << There is only one person who has more than 20,000 followers that behaves in a noisy, bursty way. No one else behaves that way. There is only one possible person they could have been talking about. Me.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, again, your 'beef' here should be with Venturebeat who, if you are going to take the line that it "is personal", were the ones who mention you by name - and let's face it, by naming you they are guaranteed to get some traffic. Twitter have not named you personally, and have not, in fact, blamed anyone but themselves for their problems.
- Scott O'Raw
i'm going to have to agree that this smacks of blaming users. maybe that wasn't intentional. i hope it wasn't. when you use phrasing that implies, however mildly or unintentionally, that your own users are involved in DoS (even if it's not implied as a malicious attack), that's blaming. if i'm patching a hole and don't have enough drywall, i don't tell my customer the hole she knocked in the wall is too big; i tell her i didn't bring enough drywall, and then i go buy more.
- hisherness
i realize twitter isn't a paid service, and i realize some allowances must be made for that, but with the venture funding and all i assume they'll eventually turn a profit. one must start as one means to go on, and this just isn't the way to start.
- hisherness
I don't agree Robert. There are several people who follow and are followed by a lot of people. No one set any limits on what they meant by "popular". You only know of people who have a lot of followers but there are TONS of people who follow more people than you. There are people who follow 40k+ 60k+ and I'm sure more. Those people hit the system hard too. Again, they didn't "blame" anyone, if anything they blamed their own architecture for not being able to handle those kinds of actions.
- Clint Ecker
@Robert Actually, Calacanis is pretty noisy. I can't follow him anymore either, but I still know the dog names. ;)
- Cyndy
Robert, we know you've been singing the Friendfeed song for the past few weeks, so it's not the Scoblizer who broke Twitter. Most of the readers of my blog subscribe via a thing called RSS, but too many bloggers Tweet a link to a new blog and then reTweet it an hour later. So I guess most people are not using Feed Readers or Friendfeeders.
- paul mooney
I think what Alex really meant is "It's because 'popular' user dragged our 'bad design' service down."
- Panu Tangchalermkul
I agree with Scott. This was mentioned as a transaction processing issue, not a Robert Scoble issue. Not a user issue. Alex was asked what the problem was and gave an honest answer: throughput is challenged under certain conditions - and they're working on it! Thanks to VB, everyone's on the warpath. For what?
- Eric Weaver
Are people really looking this hard for something to make drama about? Sheesh. Is this what happens on a "slow news day" in tech pundit land?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I see in the Venture Beat article that Twitter said "Not running scripts which follow thousands of users at a time would be a help" - ermmm. I'm sure I read that Twitter actually enabled/created this FOR Scoble, to 'follow back' all his followers in one go?
- kosso
Everything is made with certain assumptions in mind. Ikea probably makes chairs assuming they will inhabited by one person at a time, and that the person weighs less than 500 pounds. If reports of broken chairs surface and Ikea says most of the broken chairs are owned by people who weigh over 500 pounds, you can either read that as "blaming" fat people, or as an admission that they didn't design the chair to fit the 0.02% of the population weighing over 500 pounds.
- Karim
If you write an app with a field that's designed to hold 15 characters, and someone enters 16 characters in the field and the app crashes, is that the user's fault? You can either read that as "blaming" the user, or as an admission that the app wasn't designed to hold more than 15 characters in that field.
- Karim
Twitter said, "Not running scripts to follow thousands of users at a time would be a help, but that’s behavior we have to limit on our side." i.e. we didn't realize people would use the service this way, but we need to fix this service to prevent this behavor, NOT ASK THE USER TO CHANGE.
- Karim
Contrast this to what Facebook did to you when you, as a user, exhibited "unexpected behavior" and used Plaxo to download your contacts. Instead of limiting the service on their side so you *couldn't* eat up excessive resources with Plaxo, they banned your account. They expected YOU to change. They blamed YOU.
- Karim
Twitter is losing me.. I am starting to get hooked on this FriendFeed thing now.
- Winston Teo
i am finding twitter as redundant tooo ... since i just follow and dont send too many updates ....ff is better
- Raza
from Alert Thingy
Is there any why to sign up for a Jaiku account? The whole twitter thing is getting bad.
- Brian Bufalo
I am using Jaiku. Done. Finished with Twitter. This is beyond the pale.
- Andrew Ruess
Hey, Scoble - stop breaking Technorati! They're down :-(
- Lars G. Sehested
http://xrl.us/bmazc tweets totally f#(%ed twitter
- Noah David Simon
Note to tutorial givers: never, ever ask people to download gems and examples during tutorial: network will overload.
Haha. I experienced the exact same problem during the tutorials at RailsConf Europe last year.
- Lars G. Sehested
from twhirl
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"Well, they aren't asking for donations "in order to go on". They are asking for donations to help accelerate the development of a new system for releasing contributions to Drupal. This system will be built and maintained no matter what the outcome of this "fundraiser" is. So, Drupal development will only stop if all current and future contributors stop working on it, which is extremely unlikely given the size of the community. And even then you would still be able to work on it for you self as it is Open Source..."
- Lars G. Sehested
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"Weird title for this item, though..."
- Lars G. Sehested
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