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Laura Norvig
First time I've seen this one. Love the spelling in the credits ... - Laura Norvig
Andrew C (✔)
Sites where the comments are worth reading:
friendfeed - Katy S
Friendfeed. AV Club. Crooked Timber. At least some sports blogs (Knickerblogger, Posting and Toasting, probably more). - Andrew C (✔)
AV Club is fantastic! A little insular and you have to know some of the inside jokes and shorthand, but really good comments overall. - Jed
DAWES - Andrew C (✔)
FriendFeed, YouTube (yes, I said it), Google+, pretty much anywhere there's an 'elite' of commenters drumming the pace of their communities' interactions based on content that makes people think instead of entertain them. - Zu from AOD
I've enjoyed several of the club-specific soccer blogs. - Jennifer Dittrich
Metafilter. /b/ - Akiva
Metafilter. AskMetafilter!!! - Meg VMeg
Parts of reddit, but not all of it. - ellbeecee
Metafilter. - bentley
Great Affectations, Ben Afflect's literary criticism blog. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
DonationCoder forum (just stay out of the basement...we keep our collection of wingnuts down there) - April Russo
But seriously, Ta-Nehisi Coates' column on - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
/r/askreddit and /r/truegaming On reddit can be interesting. - Rodfather from Android
WordPress developers' blogs. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Stack Overflow. - Akiva
Penthouse Forum - Steve C Team Marina
Whatever (that is, John Scalzi's blog, not dismissing the topic) - Walt Crawford
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Some of the Brits have never seen lighting bugs. They are stoked.
Until recently I didn't know that lightning buds weren't everywhere. We don't see them much in the city, but we all have seen them at some point. Where don't they live? And why? - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
We don't have them in SoCal. It was one of the things I missed when we moved from MO. - Anika
Fireflies, lightning bugs, whatever you want to call them - to me they represent summer. Miss them a lot living in CA. - Corinne L
I've never seen 'em. - Spidra Webster
There are fireflies in the western US, but I think the ones that light up as adults are much more prevalent in the east. - John (bird whisperer)
[oops, did not read John's comment!] I have never seen any in california or in Colorado - thinking they don't go west of the Rockies? Such a magical vibe - I love them. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Growing up with them I tend to forget not all see them. Our Japanese guests were so excited at their first sighting. - Janet
In 1957, a Dallas housewife had her recipe for cake made with German's Baking Chocolate published in a local paper. It became wildly popular, and soon people all over the USA were making and enjoying her German's chocolate cake.
Language being what it is, we all know it now as German chocolate cake, and I bet a bunch of y'all thought it came from Germany, huh? - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Well, that explains why my grandmother used to grumble about it not being really German. - Jennifer Dittrich
That lady is the reason my childhood sucked. My mother loved that cake so much that she'd ordered it for everyone's birthday. I hate coconut, walnuts/pecans and chocolate cake. - Anika
Oh, yuck. - Jennifer Dittrich
My family went through a phase when we'd frequently purchase the frozen Pepperidge Farm German Chocolate Cake, and I remember having at least one birthday cake that was GCC. I think it's the reason why I'm not a fan of coconut these days (unless it's moist, chewy macaroons). - Corinne L
Pretty much my favorite cake and yeah, it all started for me with the Pepperidge Farm version. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Wonder how many people were initiated into GCC by Pepperidge Farm? :-) - Corinne L
I dunno, but I'm one of em! Moms didn't make cakes but she sure bought a lot of the Pepperidge Farms ones. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Laura Norvig
What does it mean when the little dots on the wristband move like two eyes looking right and then left?
Oh. Sleep mode. It was hard to get it out of sleep mode! - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Sleep mode is unproductive and a waste of time. - Louis Gray
Fitbit is going all <_< >_> - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Reminds me of square candies that look round. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Drive-by LG-ing. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
It's very confusing to work on a big project with people who don't use Dropbox or Google Docs or anything similar.
yep. I'm also confused when they say things like "i'm not to good with technology, so it's better to call me than do email" - Sir Shuping is just sir
"Oh, can you send it to me as an attachment?" *headdesk* - Catherine Pellegrino
Yep - lris
Or who CALL ME. ON THE PHONE. Because I asked questions on their website ONE MINUTE AGO. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
if a project is urgent and the need for assistance is immediate, the fact that phone calls can't be accidentally deleted and don't require waiting around is HUGE. IM is a decent stand-in. sometimes. - Big Joe Silence
our faculty senate president doesn't understand google forms. which we're using to collect feedback at a major faculty event in about 4 weeks. - ~Courtney F
I have so little patience for this kind of thing. Keeping current with the tools used in a work environment seems like a basic requirement for continued employment. I always want to say to these people, "You have a brain, use it and learn something new." Sigh. - Laura Krier
I'm working on a complex SaaS migration right now and *thank god* we're using Basecamp. We always used Basecamp on the prior work I did. Our org as a whole has not standard tool and it just pains me to no end. We have Sharepoint and Chatter but that is so inferior. I wish we just had Asana or Box or something. I force people to use GDocs because ... I just can't with the revision nightmare. - Laura Norvig
Michael W. May
Sarah Mclaughlin with my amazing wife @ambertides @ Meadow Brooke Pavillion
Sarah Mclaughlin with my amazing wife @ambertides @ Meadow Brooke Pavillion
Wow. Sarah Maclaughlin looks a lot like you. :P - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
*chuckle* - Michael W. May from Android
I was thinking the exact same thing, Mr. Noodle. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
*McLachlan - Alix May from FFHound(roid)!
If you have printed business cards, what is your title on said cards?
Business Card Printer. - Akiva
"Fruit Enthusiast" on one card and "Vocalist, Voiceover Artist" on the other. Far more prosaic titles on cards from previous jobs. - Spidra Webster
Princess - Big Joe Silence
Bringer of Awesome - Hookuh Tinypants from FreshFeed
I have two: Historical and Landmarks Commissioner, and System Test Engineer (which is outdated) - Brian Johns
Pastor Extraordinaire. - Friar Will
Technical Writer. Yawn. - Brent Schaus
Wildlife Biologist. - Jenny H. from Android
"Operations and Technology" - (Curtis) Alan Jackson
The last time I had a title on a business card it said "Troublemaker" - Amit Patel
Senior Enterprise Technical Expert. You tell me what the hell that means because I have no idea. - Eric - It's My Thing
General Manager - Shannon - GlassMistress
I am Chief Explorer on my ExploreSacto cards. - Corinne L
Intelligent Human Agent - Laura Norvig from iPhone
I don't have these, but my granddad's cards used to read, "Historian. Bon Vivant." - Meg VMeg
Meat Popsicle - Me
"You know what's cooler than CEO? Me." - NOT THE CRICKET
Business: Front-end Web Developer. Personal: Fledgling Photographer, Dizzy Dreamer. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Steve Gillmor
GIllmor Gang, recording live today 5pm PT participate at
Here - Keith Teare
Here - Kevin Marks
ok will bring up soon. standby - Tina Chase Gillmor
was just about to leave my desk ... hmmm ...maybe stay and multi-task. - Laura Norvig
keith you there? - Tina Chase Gillmor
framer you are next... I have kevin and Keith online - Tina Chase Gillmor
farber NOT framer - Tina Chase Gillmor
anybody else in chat? - Chris Hale
tweet someone. that will help. not our regular time - Tina Chase Gillmor
waiting on the Scoble - Tina Chase Gillmor
is THE SCOBLE here yet? - Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobbie, Scobbie - Tina Chase Gillmor
got mixed feelings about the whole experiment thing - Chris Hale
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sandberg - Kevin Marks
rofl - Chris Hale
here's the show link - Tina Chase Gillmor
I think this whole thing kicks over a hornets nest of what if's. To me its a demonstration of power that a corporation has - Chris Hale
what do they have to disclose legally? - Tina Chase Gillmor
I am not really all that bothered by it, its more the principle of the thing - Chris Hale
that is a weird screech Im hearing - Tina Chase Gillmor
feels like a slippery slope. what if one day they decided to only show posts of people who are suicidal and see if anybody else actually commits suicide. - Laura Norvig
Say what you do, and do what you say. - Ann Greenberg
Johannes Ernst wrote a great post about Facebook's power over our friends to connect to us. Sure, startups experiment all the time. First of all, there are rules over human subjects in scientific testing, which Facebook didn't follow. Secondly, whether true or not, the expectation for most people is that Facebook is a means of communication, not an edited publication. - Ben Werdmuller
yeah, its like that whole thing a while back when youtube decided not to take some video down that angered muslims. Even after the US govt asked them nicely to take it down they didnt. - Chris Hale
weird screeches may be crows on telegraph poles here - Kevin Marks
i see both these types of events as demonstrations of what what type of power corporations have that is outside of govt control - Chris Hale
experiments is probably not the right word - Tina Chase Gillmor
There's a huge difference between Fox News - a media company - manipulating the emotions of the viewer. Facebook presents itself as a two-way conduit between people. - Ben Werdmuller
involuntary probing? - Chris Hale
experiments is what we call it - Kevin Marks
I agree with Dan. - Ann Greenberg
A/B testing - Kevin Marks
Even on websites marketers are doing A/B testing and people don't know that they're seeing a different version of the page than their neighbor. - Josh Bradshaw
I think it's pretty awesome that we can get our mind altered without all of the previous side-effects we experienced in the 60's - Charlie Isaacs
I don't think it's just profiling - thought of it as genuine research to see to what extent the service influences us. - Laura Norvig
Profiling us, but they need to make that very clear. I do not think that is clear to average users. The issue is the algorithm applied unequally. - Ann Greenberg
well a/b testing is totally fine but i think given the fact that facebook is a very unique platform that can spark real actions in real life the ramifications for facebook doing a/b tests could have more real costs and implications than maybe a lot of other companies - Chris Hale
So let's ask, what if you only showed Democrats other Democrat's views? Without telling them... - Ann Greenberg
I'm not hearing robert - Kevin Marks
Robert Scoble, I almost think this topic dovetails nicely with that whole thing with "forget me" in google. That has other ramifications like Google being forced delete facts about people who have requested to be forgotten. It all has to do with corporations power over our perception of truth and reality - Chris Hale
I have no audio - Kevin Marks
I'm not that concerned personally. And at a rational level, disclosure would kill the ability to do the experiment because users who know would behave differently - Keith Teare
But Robert, monitoring is different than manipulating - Ann Greenberg
Ill call you back - Tina Chase Gillmor
Sentiment analysis is different than causing sentiment - Ann Greenberg
This whole topic is really interesting to me because I had an awesome idea for a movie based on this topic - Chris Hale
No because they are manipulating what you are being exposed to - Ann Greenberg
I have no sound at all on the computer I may need to reboout - Kevin Marks
Ann - the who news stream is filtered for you anyway - Keith Teare
whole - Keith Teare
Keith T. I agree with what you are saying, its definitely one reason i don't bother with watching the news - Chris Hale
Kevin I will call you back when i think reboot time is over - Tina Chase Gillmor
Is a filtered news stream where you don't control the algorithm more intrinsically desirable than one you curate yourself? - Ben Werdmuller
On Facebook they give uses an ability to filter by time or popularity. That's what a user thinks are their choice on the filter. If its something else, there isn't a notice and that's what's disturbing (average) users. - Ann Greenberg
weird, skype crashed the sound driver - Kevin Marks
kevin can you hear now? - Tina Chase Gillmor
I think skype was updating itself and ate the sound - Kevin Marks
Are we going to see lawsuits for situations where folks with more negative feeds went too negative and committed crimes or suicide or experienced emotional damages? - Josh Bradshaw
I can hear now - Kevin Marks
we had some issues with it today with G3 gals before the show started - Tina Chase Gillmor
Interesting - does curating the feed affect who's responsible for its content? - Ben Werdmuller
Okay, so then there is a progressive algoritm that gets to know you better, but that's different than saying okay, let's now adjust the algorithm based on specific sentiments. Goebbles did this too in essence when he (literally) locked Germans inside the movie theater and forced them to watch the newsreels. - Ann Greenberg
So, does a machine have a POV? - Ann Greenberg
Ann: Facebook has a POV: make you use it more. :-) - Robert Scoble
creative differences? - Tina Chase Gillmor
crows! ha, ha - Tina Chase Gillmor
there is debate about that ben - Kevin Marks
size again - Tina Chase Gillmor
people modified their grammar too, I'm hearing "Where you AT?" more and more often - Charlie Isaacs
wow I like this late Thursday rhythm - Tina Chase Gillmor
me too +Tina, lot's of energy here - Charlie Isaacs
i really quit using twitter a long time ago - Chris Hale
Kevin - right, it's now a tough sell to say that they're not aware of the content, eg under the DMCA Safe Harbor rules. - Ben Werdmuller
It makes sense for more popular people who have followers - Chris Hale
Charlie... Im surprised. And I liked G3 earlier today too - Tina Chase Gillmor
twitter just seems so much better when the users lead it's development organically. - Laura Norvig
We talked about this on G3 a few weeks ago. interesting - Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble is showing us the coolaid - Tina Chase Gillmor
koolaid sounds actually pretty good right now - Chris Hale
Whatever happened to Twitter metadata? - Ben Werdmuller
Chris... yeah - Tina Chase Gillmor
they killed it after they saw our demos at Chirp - Kevin Marks
Not often. - Robert Scoble
so you have to be talking to yourself ... - Laura Norvig
maybe spiked - Tina Chase Gillmor
if you want to send metatdata through twitter now, use an image - Kevin Marks
Like Dave Winer is lately, for example - Ben Werdmuller
is he? He's blocked me (as has pmarca) - Kevin Marks
He is. Big photos with text in front of them. - Ben Werdmuller
oh, right. yes missing the point a little - Kevin Marks
Marc Andreessen unfollowed me - Kevin Marks
Because of live-tweeting? That would be ironic - Ben Werdmuller
no, because I called him out about VCs not funding women - Kevin Marks
Ugh. That's a conversation to engage in, not block yourself away from. Sorry. - Ben Werdmuller
Kevin... you took the heat on that one but way to go, man! - Tina Chase Gillmor
linkedin to me is just a live resume for me - Chris Hale
The "new thing" is that you can get invited to publish on LinkedIn now: - Charlie Isaacs
Cool Kevin - Ann Greenberg
Scoble, remember to breath - Chris Hale List of 2,800 startups on Facebook. - Robert Scoble
breathe. Sorry for typo - Chris Hale
I've never gotten into LinkedIn - Tina Chase Gillmor
Twitter and Facebook groups bring me (professional) stuff to read. A little bit LinkedIn groups too now. I used to find stuff on too but haven't been on it much. RebelMouse similar. - Laura Norvig
Cool Keith - Ann Greenberg
IFTTT is really cool - Chris Hale
If This Then That. Almost like yahoo pipes - Laura Norvig
Friendfeed is a dinosaur. But it's Our dinosaur... for now - Tina Chase Gillmor
Zapier is also cool if you need bigger scale - Chris Hale
I am using that Friendfeed thing where you click the permalink twice and get a smaller chat window. Love. It. - Laura Norvig
Both IFTTT and Zapier are awesome and they're adding more and more channels. They are both going to be huge. I'm using them to rapidly prototype IoT for enterprise companies. - Charlie Isaacs
Chris, have been wondering what Zapier is. It's offered integrated with our Hubspot instance but haven't had a chance to use it. - Laura Norvig
my big problem right now for IFTTT is that I'd like to purchase the ability to set the frequency that it checks and does certain services - Chris Hale
and it really makes me mad they don't offer this , id pay for it if they did - Chris Hale
Ann - thank you. Started it years ago and only ever used it for myself - Keith Teare
Zapier is basically a platform that allows you to mash up different services - Chris Hale
you probably should use Heroku for that +Chris :) - Charlie Isaacs
Thanks for the shout out steve! - Chris Hale
it defaults to 15 minutes on IFTTT - Chris Hale
and for realistic home automation or other things 15 minutes is super lame - Chris Hale
everything he's shot? Pigeons? - Kevin Marks
stop oking! - Tina Chase Gillmor
I was hoping that Thinkup would put more emphasis on content archiving, search and interconnection. - Darius Dunlap
IFTTT is POV - Ann Greenberg
Zapier is a great poor mans ETL tool. - Chris Hale
How about the ruling on Aereo? I was really dissapointed on that ruling - Chris Hale
They had a pretty decent party at SXSW and i stood by the business model they were building - Chris Hale
+Scoble is singing "Every breath I take, every move I make you can be watching me" #Police - Charlie Isaacs
Every single day Every word I say Every game I play Every night I stay You'll be watching me - Charlie Isaacs
do you guys believe ala carte pricing will ever happen? - Chris Hale
I'm singing the boomtown rats "there's always someone looking at you" - Kevin Marks
Sting "I'll be watching you:" - Robert Scoble
guys and gals. Sorry didnt mean to forget the ladies in the room - Chris Hale
TV Everywhere means you need to have transparency when it comes to algorithms like Facebook's - Ann Greenberg
It's the problem Noam Chomsky described in "Manufacturing Consent". - Darius Dunlap
Speaking of crap, no more YO for Scoble - Josh Bradshaw
Product fail since Kevin called his watch cute - Chris Hale
I am waiting for Moto 360 watch - Chris Hale
still a little dissapointed that these watches are co-dependent on being attached to a phone - Chris Hale
I'll be *watching* you. Through your watch. - Laura Norvig
have you seen woz's watch? he's got a vacuum tube watch, every other watch is a piece of crap. When I saw him last I caught it on video: - Charlie Isaacs
I just got my Pebble, I kinda like it. I can manage my business from my watch :) - Charlie Isaacs
Chris - you are right - and divorced from carriers too, messaging over WiFi is big: - Ann Greenberg
I dont completely agree, I think its ability to augment the phone experience is pretty important. - Chris Hale
i think having a device that can help save my phones battery is a worthwhile device - Chris Hale
Carrier agnostic please - Ann Greenberg
a device that can help me get in/out/ and on with life quickly for notifications is a valuable tool - Chris Hale
The term watch is the only way to define a new class of tool that we are guessing at. - Arnie Klaus
I envision a future that these watches become fitness trackers and other things like a device for 2factor authentication - Chris Hale
he means - Kevin Marks
finger is a target, look up nod and fin - Chris Hale
The "watch" is the wrong metaphor, just like calling it a "phone" is the wrong metaphor. - Darius Dunlap
yes, darius - Kevin Marks
but wristscreen is not great - Kevin Marks
Where does the implant go? Earings? - Arnie Klaus
these are devices i am following closely - Chris Hale
wow, now I get to learn new hand gestures on GG, awesome :) - Charlie Isaacs
they bring us one step closer to minority report type controls - Chris Hale
the other device i am really interested in is - Chris Hale
the myo armband. That thing is super cool - Chris Hale
Lukaku did it - Tom Guarriello
YxYY!!! me too - Ann Greenberg
I agree +Chris - Charlie Isaacs
YaYY sounds like a Yo variant - Kevin Marks
thanks everyone :) nice show! - Charlie Isaacs
name for show? - Tina Chase Gillmor
No YOs. - Robert Scoble
we're being watched - Kevin Marks
when will July 3 show go "on demand" ? - charles carrico
Katy S
My Fitbit just took an unintended bath. I spilled on myself, so I through my shorts in the wash and completely forgot that the fitbit had been in my pocket until they had been underwater for about 4 or 5 minutes. It seems to be working fine, but it's hanging out in a bag of rice just to be sure.
Of course, I didn't stuff the bag with rice because I wanted to still be able to put it in my pocket since it's working, but there's rice. - Katy S
I'm only guessing, but I think the silicone case protected it a bit for that brief period of time. - Katy S
Now you are ready to toss rice if you happen upon a surprise wedding. win/win - Janet
Are they waterproof? I've worn mine in the shower. - Melly - #TeamMarina
Did you exercise in the shower, Melly? #iam12 - Uli
The one is water resistant but not water proof. It really shouldn't be submerged. - Katy S from iPhone
The Flex is waterproof, but it doesn't have an altimeter. It's hard to make a device waterproof if it has an altimeter like the Fitbit One. - Bruce Lewis
will the Flex track my lap swimming? - Laura Norvig
Flex won't track lap swimming, but you can log the activity on - Bruce Lewis
Laura Norvig
Found the most charming young man to help me get the Minecraft mods Wade wants running. He is quite the whiz kid and our Skype consulting sessions are delightful. Finally got a Fossil and Archaeology mod running. Dinosaurs!
He showed us how to use AT Launcher and forge and run a Vanilla Minecraft instance and now we just drop zipped mods in a folder and voila! - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Dinosaurs. What's that mod? I think my kids would like to see dinosaurs. - Akiva
Nice. My son wants to do this stuff and make a Pokemon game, but we're lacking and have no resources. - Anika
Akiva, it's called Fossil and Archaeology Revival. It only works on version 1.6.4 - Laura Norvig from iPhone
I just spent the morning working with Sammy to install a reptile mod (our first mod). Such a complicated process. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
That's why I'm glad I found Cameron. He is amazing. Saves me loads of time and frustration. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
two hour-long webinar recordings to be edited then loaded into a bullshit CMS (that doesn't have a native media player) so funders can view them online by Thursday. Or, you know, Monday at the latest. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I swear on everything holy my boss is a gotdamb saint b/c this is the kind of shit he shields me from. he's out of town this week, so heaven help me not get my ass fired. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Yeesh. Courage, sister. - Corinne L
editing a webinar recording is not fun. as far as hosting, youtube is our friend. Did this turn out OK in the end? - Laura Norvig
thanks Laura, yeah. Erica intervened to liaise on the whole "what's the difference between posting a link and embedding a video on a website?" nonsense. I just sent everything to her. She is an angel, as we know. Both she and Matt have permanent halos as far as I'm concerned. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
How do I say, "the second some bitch tries to bring her bitch attitude to me, I'm burning her career down" in corporate speak?
"...I look forward to the challenges that team working brings, and relish the opportunity to fully explore other people's ideas..." - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
"..before I light them on fire and claim victory as my own." - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
"I might have to involve HR..." - Jennifer Dittrich
"I know we're all team players working towards the same goal" - Laura Norvig
"I show others the same professional courtesy I expect" - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Steve and 4 other people
A version of Minecraft where every block is another world in Minecraft.
How do you know that your Minecraft experience isn't already just a single block in somebody else's Minecraft? - Brian Johns
This is a magnificent post. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
It's minecraft blocks all the way down. - Laura Norvig
Thinking about trying to prototype something where every block is another 16x16 block. Yes, recursively. - Steve and 4 other people
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
hold up. the CDC says 4 drinks for a woman "in a single bout" is binge drinking? and 8 drinks in a week for a woman is "chronic alcohol consumption"? uh.... uh-oh.
Well, that's an average (and targeted at the average height/weight for women.) Even so, someone having a glass and a half of wine with dinner every night would fall afoul of that, even though that's not all that uncommon or likely to get someone all that intoxicated. - Jennifer Dittrich
Awesome, apparently 1 SAM = 3 alcoholic women some weeks. That math seems about right. Wait, what? - SAM
What's a 'bout'? Not that it matters, since I'm probably equal to 1 SAM anyway. - Anika
Yeah I find other countries' alcohol guidelines more convenient, myself. - Meg VMeg from Android
I think a "bout" is "one sitting"? needless to say I object to these definitions entirely. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
If a sitting is 4pm to 1am, I think I'm solid. - Anika
I'm not asking about men. Geesh. - Eric - It's My Thing
'i dont drink much, but when i do, its my entire years worth in one night' - chaz2b
Turns out CDC actually defines "session" or "sitting": two hours. - Walt Crawford
thanks, Walt. that's helpful. I'm 3 or 4 beers in 4 or 5 hours on an average night, but still way over the 8 per week number. Though I spose I can't argue with the definition of "chronic alcohol consumption." I'd just prefer "frequent" over "chronic". - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
consistent. steady. solid as a rock. reliable. Positive adjectives FTW. - Laura Norvig
I rarely drink but when I do, I make up for lost time. So I'm apparently a chronic binge drinker. Whatevs. - Hookuh Tinypants
Amit Patel
Fantastic morning viewing wildlife. In a 2 hour period, I saw ~5% of the sea otters in California.
(photo is uncropped and unprocessed; I haven't had time to go through the ~500 photos I took but I'll share more later) - Amit Patel
Otters are unfairly cute. THEY MUST BE STOPPED! - SAM
The seagulls were trying to stop the otter army but they failed. - Amit Patel
Jealous! - Jenny H. from Android
ooh, that's cool they have a boat. Last time I enjoyed the slough it was kayaking and man my arms were sore for days. - Laura Norvig
TheNextWeb Forum
The Pirates of Silicon Valley: Google’s ATAP team is ‘trying to do epic shit’ -
The Pirates of Silicon Valley: Google’s ATAP team is ‘trying to do epic shit’
ATAP = Advanced Technology and Projects ? - Laura Norvig
Laura Norvig
exchange with a co-worker over email about promoting newsletter column she wrote: Me: Do you have a twitter account? Her: Yes.
How about telling me your handle. Honestly. - Laura Norvig
Andy Bakun
OH: "Yak shaving is erotic."
Then I am one sexy so and so ... - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Wine and macaroni and cheese do not mix.. BLEH!
After the first bottle you won't notice it anymore. - Stephan #TeamMarina from iPhone
2nd bottle didn't help - Me
Seconds, wow! :) - Stephan #TeamMarina from iPhone
You just haven't found the right pairing. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
macaroni and cheese in a bottle? - Big Joe Silence
Laura Norvig
Took a little break from working at home and took my son out to breakfast and for a glorious walk on the beach. Now I'm sooo sleepy. Working on AdWords campaigns, starting to learn a new email marketing system, and thinking about getting back to work on some documentation but hard to stay awake!
It was not the most productive day, but oh, the West Side of Santa Cruz beaches at low tide on a weekday are a wonderful thing. - Laura Norvig
Laura Norvig
Belated #saturdayFF - being a deadhead was a seminal part of my life. I went to somewhere between 50 - 100 shows between 1978 - 1995 (I did not obsessively keep ticket stubs so it would take some doing to pin that number down). That shared camaraderie of being able to look into the eyes of a stranger and your eyes are saying, "do you know?"
and their eyes are saying, "yeah, I know," (or vice versa) is a beautiful thing. I miss it. - Laura Norvig
of course I enjoyed the band, their amazing improvisational prowess, the dancing, the *cough* hallucinogens *cough*, the artisanal food and crafts, but really the thing that made being a deadhead so great was the community. The unbelievably strong sense of community. Many of us were not the kind of deadheads that you could have picked out in a crowd. But when we gathered as a tribe, we were a tribe. It's something that is often hard to find in modern society. - Laura Norvig
Well put. (And in my head I draw comparisons between deadheads and burners a lot.) - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Yeah, I definitely feel the passion coming from burners when they talk about the playa. - Laura Norvig
I was only able to get to a small number of Dead concerts before Jerry Garcia passed away, but it was always an amazing experience. The community is what I remember the most about every show. - Hookuh Tinypants
Stephen Mack
#SaturdayFF I'm glad that as a life experience, I saw the Grateful Dead a few times back in the late '80s. -
#SaturdayFF I'm glad that as a life experience, I saw the Grateful Dead a few times back in the late '80s.
This is the show I remember most clearly -- Laguna Seca Recreation Area - May 9-10, 1987. Bruce Hornsby first, then Ry Cooder, then the Dead. I went with my brother Phil and our friend Rick in Rick's VW van. We camped overnight and then saw the same show the next day. (The Dead, of course, played a very different set the second time.) - Stephen Mack from Bookmarklet
In no way would I call myself a deadhead, but I ended up seeing them a couple of other times later on (I remember at the Shoreline in Mountain View a year or two later less clearly). I enjoyed the shows, the vibe -- it was the first taste I had of just how obsessed some people get with a band or musician. - Stephen Mack
At this show, they ended up doing a late "third set" after dark to film the video for A Touch of Grey -- -- and it was weird to experience. They kept on starting and stopping and restarting the song to get the marionettes in the video to film properly. The band would wander on and pretend to play for a bit, then disappear for a while. But somewhere in those crowd scenes, there I am. - Stephen Mack
At some point, I could see Bob Weir was smoking. I idly wondered aloud what type of cigarette he was smoking. Someone nearby overheard me and let me know exactly what brand. - Stephen Mack
When they played Iko Iko later, I wondered aloud what the words meant. I got a long history from a different nearby person who overheard me. - Stephen Mack
Like I said, the fans were REALLY into the dead, man. - Stephen Mack
When Jerry Garcia died 8 years later, I really regretted not having gone to a few more shows. I remember the headline: Head Deadhead Dead (was it The Onion that printed that?). - Stephen Mack
I was also there (didn't watch the video shooting that night) but had a great time at those shows. All three acts were great and the Dead shows were beautiful. - Christian Crumlish
Stephen, you are adorable. That was a fun show, I remember it well. Although not as well as you do ... for various reasons. - Laura Norvig
Jerry Garcia died on my birthday. I take no responsibility. - Akiva
I saw The Dead a couple of times, once was way back when PigPen was in the band (68 maybe?). One of my favorite bands, but I never took off following them. - Greg GuitarBuster
Or the early 70s. Course, I was 13. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Laura Norvig
SFO again.
Two little ones right in front of me on the plane. One already whimpering. I'm sooo tired - been up for 24 hours. Hopefully I'll sleep through any ruckus. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Aaand cue full on scream. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Then discovered my bottle of juice wasn't closed tight. Spilled on laptop bag. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Off to a great start! Another baby one row ahead on the left. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
That was a fun 3.5 hour ordeal. Let's see what the next two hours bring. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Hope it improves! - Anne Bouey
Yikes! I'm hoping that by flying Virgin this week the drama will be at a minimum. I hate being the one with 'those' kids. - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
It just happens sometimes -what can you do? The baby was maybe about one year old and just didn't like airplanes. I think the ear pressure thing was getting to her. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
I still slept, but every time she squalled i woke up. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Morton Fox
Two people are asking me to update my contact info on "Humin". Think I’ll treat it as spam, for now.
It's a fairly robust contact organizer that invites you to use their app when you update your listing. Helped me to get rid of dead contacts and merge a lot of others. Location based contact info also so I can notate where I met a contact and other identifiers to jog memory. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
New early adopter toy. But I donn't use a smart phone so, useless to me. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Yup, same here. I'll pass on that for a bit. - (Curtis) Alan Jackson
Steve Gillmor
GIllmor Gang, recording live today 11am PT participate at
Ready to go! All with new Skype, too. - Robert Scoble
No feed yet - Ian Waring
Just letting you know I'm listening from London although probably not yakking in the chat tonight - Francine Hardaway
Which bit of London Francine? - Ian Waring
delayed a bit... two or three minutes... time for a bathroom break - Tina Chase Gillmor
well it's a full moon and Friday the 13th sooooooooo nothing can go wrong , right? - Tina Chase Gillmor
Test card live - Ian Waring
I never have time to listen anymore. Stupid work. Maybe just a few minutes ... - Laura Norvig
Hammersmith Ian.Want to meet? francineatstealthmodedotcom - Francine Hardaway
Holland have just scored - Ian Waring
Ill be in Moscow next week then London until 7/3 - Francine Hardaway
Indeed! - J.C. Bouvier
Chaos there in Hammersmith. They keep in shutting the flyover next to the Apollo every weekend ATM. I'm 60-70 miles west... - Ian Waring
right. they do - Francine Hardaway
hang in there folks.... we are grappling with a few bug-a-boos - Tina Chase Gillmor
Hangin! - Robert Scoble
one in four to go. rest should be easy - Tina Chase Gillmor
falling asleep - Francine Hardaway
Holland have just scored again - Ian Waring
Me too! - Robert Scoble
yeah, but at least it is night here - Francine Hardaway
Are we on? - John Taschek
three in two more to go - Tina Chase Gillmor
not that i know of - Francine Hardaway
four in and bringing up one more - Tina Chase Gillmor
five in - Tina Chase Gillmor
Just got my 2 year old granddaughter off her iPad - up to bed - Ian Waring
tweaking audio - Tina Chase Gillmor
I am shocked by the Netherlands-Spain score so far. Plus I have Iker as my goalie in my fantasy league. - John Taschek
And Spain have scored. 2-3 now - Ian Waring
good game - Francine Hardaway
Mondial Mondial Mondial - Nir Ben Yona
I'm going to watch on ESPN Live - Skype bandwidth be damned - John Taschek
Scoble, I am really interested to hear any new musings on glass that you have this week. I think that would be a cool topic of the day - Chris Hale
Sorry 1-4. Van Persie again - Ian Waring
Me, too, although my Glass did not survive the trip to London - Francine Hardaway
I picked Neymar instead of Van Persie. Damnit - John Taschek
i have no audio - Francine Hardaway
Keeping on picking La Liga players is the mistake. Best ones are in the English Premier League - Ian Waring
Sorry to hear your glass didnt survive. I am a developer and tech enthusiast that is probably about to finally make the plunge and buy a set. I have a couple of apps i really think would be cool to build - Chris Hale
No audio here either - Ian Waring
seriously no audio? - Tina Chase Gillmor
and im exploring about offering consulting for people who want glass apps built - Chris Hale
Moving over to my Pixel... - Ian Waring
No audio or moving pictures here in Bristol, UK - lovely hi-res still though - Roger Shepherd
can you hear anything? - Tina Chase Gillmor
not sure why the stream is a problem... - Tina Chase Gillmor
Some stills, changing once in a while. No audio. - Alex de Soto
we don't know why that is occuring - Tina Chase Gillmor
we are recording - Tina Chase Gillmor
No audio here either. - Russ Harlan
Holland 5 Spain 1 - Ian Waring
Good - I'll sound more intelligent - John Taschek
No audio in london - Moe Glitz from iPhone
World Cup must be clogging up the tubes on the internet! ;-) - Alex de Soto
no audio in TX - Chris Hale
Perhaps the fractured Spanish economy/politics between Barcelona and Madrid are creating just enough of a division to impact Spain in soccer - John Taschek
and i just see still picture at the moment - Chris Hale
image is frozen and no audio - ( new york ) - charles carrico
we can only say might just have to watch on Saturday when we ship the show. - Tina Chase Gillmor
Benedict Evans just went full screen (but is a still shot, no audio) - Between Newbury and Oxford, UK - Ian Waring
this has never happened before.....we are so snake-bit today - Tina Chase Gillmor
We will have to watch on Saturday. Happy Father's Day all! - Alex de Soto
John Borthwick still now - Ian Waring
We're gonna cancel today's show. - Robert Scoble
Is UStream overextended - Arnie Klaus
:-( - Ian Waring
:( I was looking forward to the show - Chris Hale
Continues to be no sound and picture only updates when I pause and restart - nice res stills though. - Roger Shepherd
ok we just killed the show.. it was impossible - Tina Chase Gillmor
no idea what happened to stream and bandwidth - Tina Chase Gillmor
california is running dry on internets? - Chris Hale
Test card - Roger Shepherd
Turn the colour to Black'n'White and we can have the first ever Gillmor Gang Silent Show - Moe Glitz from iPhone
I thought it was just me. Listening from this co-working space for first time. - Matt Terenzio
Thank goodness the thrusters weren't ignited - Arnie Klaus
Looking forward to the audio podcast - good night all from Bristol - Roger Shepherd
darn, it's my birthday - this is not a good omen for luck the rest of the day - if the full moon doesn't rise, I'll know it is the end - charles carrico
was it a friday the 13th thing? - Chris Hale
put it on go to meeting - we can all sign up for 30 day free accounts - charles carrico
haha - Chris Hale
too bad google hangouts doesnt really account for multi viewer broadcasts - Chris Hale
that's an idea: Google should create a ustream competitor - charles carrico
does YouTube support live streaming? - charles carrico
YT does support live streaming, if you have the option enable it...which I'm not sure everyone does. - J.C. Bouvier
i might be building a streaming platform for a client of mine that uses opentok for video streaming. I havent really talked to them to see how well it can scale up though - Chris Hale
I used to do live streaming meetings using Flash Communication Server - but Adobe killed it - charles carrico
The NewTek test pattern flashed up again - Tina: are you going to try again? - charles carrico
no.... it's over for today. - Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks, Bye - charles carrico
I've released all participants - Tina Chase Gillmor
will try to reschedule the show. it will be a good one - Tina Chase Gillmor
KK, l8r all. - J.C. Bouvier
YouTube supports near real time streaming. Start a Hangout on Air, invite live speakers in, also publish the associated HOA YT link to show viewers. - clive boulton
im getting that audio...still had it open since this afternoon - Dale Lature
and video, until just now when you went black - Dale Lature
yep, any verified YT account can now do a live Hangout On Air ... however, there are some tricky waters to navigate related to identity and G+ - at least, that was my experience when trying to do it for my son's channel. - Laura Norvig
Ya big tease! - Frank Paynter
Mic works, but I guess I'm too late for the show... - Frank Paynter
Wanted to hear Scoble re. Glass/Jason Jones' bit on the Daily Show. - Frank Paynter
-------New Show Saturday 06.14.14 starting here--------- - Tina Chase Gillmor
hellooooooo - Tina Chase Gillmor
Hi? - Nir Ben Yona
Good morning! - Robert Scoble
Hi Tina, is this the attempt number 2 Stream for today? - Simon Benvenutto
Good to see the show is workin - Chris Hale
SimonB: first try today. - Robert Scoble
thanks Robert, yesterday's was around midnight UK time, my confusion :) - Simon Benvenutto
Simon this is it. We tested earlier - Tina Chase Gillmor
So far flawless, thanks Tina. - Simon Benvenutto
Hazard a guess Goog going for coherence around mobile. Not sure fast enough for I/O reveal. - clive boulton
Possibly - Chris Hale
great stream today. maybe the moon was just too damn close to us yesterday;-) ? - Tina Chase Gillmor
yes more glass talk. hehe - Chris Hale
anyone else having issues with the chat room. My refresh is not great - Tina Chase Gillmor
i was just thinking no one was really talking - Chris Hale
Hi All, no issues with the chat room at the moment for me... - Adnan
just very quiet today.... - Simon Benvenutto
that took 1 sec to refresh - Simon Benvenutto
Ok.good its just me :-) - Tina Chase Gillmor
Mmm, I have an iPad Air with an EE SIM in it, use connectivity very ad-hoc, partly because my gains and office have open WiFi. But in the UK its easy to have pay-as-you-go data plans you can drop in and out of. - Simon Benvenutto
Box: mobile centred in the middle, not the edges... - clive boulton
Yeah my refresh has been stalling so if you don't hear much from me.... that's why - Tina Chase Gillmor
I use my iPad everywhere! very much "work" on it - Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, do you use it with a keyboard? - Adnan
I've been thinking about getting a tablet, but need a keyboard for coding... - Adnan
Logitech makes some of the nicer keyboards for tablets - Chris Hale
Adnan I can see that coding could be cumbersome on a tablet without a keyboard. I haven't coded anything in a while but would think is would be tough without - Tina Chase Gillmor
iPad's will be used a lot more at Front End Businesses like Hotels or Car Showrooms, when a Service is launched around Customers ID - Moe Glitz from iPhone
(oooh, my refresh is much better now) - Tina Chase Gillmor
Bing Translate is also available in Twitter - Moe Glitz from iPhone
I think just one vendor isn't going to win, I use apple on mobile, windows on desktop, linux on the server side... google I try to stay away from since they seem too invasive - Adnan
And banks Moe, where the Apple retail store are the ultimate model for a bank branch, and Digital Identity is one of the new services they may provide (Apple is getting strong here) plus digital wallets, etc. - Simon Benvenutto
Gillmor School Gang - Moe Glitz from iPhone
Avoiding Paying Taxes - Moe Glitz from iPhone
just got thrown out of the chat... - Adnan
Who are the guests today -- just joining - Halley Suitt Tucker
Goog has the EU privacy courts ridding its tail. - clive boulton
John Borthwick, Robert Scoble,Benedict Evans - Tina Chase Gillmor
not guests... gang members - Tina Chase Gillmor
Tell Scoble he has to speak with a British accent now -- only fair. - Halley Suitt Tucker
I've got location turned of on mobile as it sucks too much battery power, I wonder if I'll have to do the same with iBeacon - Adnan
Notifications - Moe Glitz from iPhone
seriously, we have a lot of Brits - Tina Chase Gillmor
Glad to see my G3 co-host Halley here today! - Tina Chase Gillmor
Borthwick, "Facebook's been a company many developers have not felt they can trust." Yep, absolutely. - Halley Suitt Tucker
From a user standpoint, one deep linking example would be taking a link from the twitter app and posting it to tumblr via the tumblr app, its not easy to do right now - Adnan
Poor Little Twitter - Halley Suitt Tucker
Facebook hasn't been developer trustable since Dave Morin left - clive boulton
i wish someone could beam me another cup of coffee. can someone start working on that? ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor
A lot os the CloudKit focus was on persistence as well as identity, it not only lowers the barrier of entry for debs who need server side functionality, it keeps them away from Parse which FB have bought. - Simon Benvenutto
Is there a single point of identity -- THE BIG QUESTION - Halley Suitt Tucker
A point of identity that I CAN CONTROL ... I don't see that ever happening. - Halley Suitt Tucker
Yes, your fingerprint :) - Simon Benvenutto
clive: not true, according to my friends in developer land. Doug Purdy is doing a great job. - Robert Scoble
Google+ seems to have overdone common point of identity in the same way Facebook overdid the common friend graph - clive boulton
I know Dick Costelo is a Comedian, but he is making Twitters Share Price a laughing stock - Moe Glitz from iPhone
Steve is right, thats exactly how I use facebook/twitter - Adnan
The many problems of Twitter ... what is it? what does it do? is it many different things for many different people? - Halley Suitt Tucker
I cant share technical stuff on facebook, confuses my mom/sisters/uncles... - Adnan
My home page on FB is my living room couch; my Twitter is the street corner hanging out with friends who show up and shooting the shit. - Halley Suitt Tucker
I don't know WHERE my homepage, couch or street corner are on Google+ - Halley Suitt Tucker
Don't think Benedict likes Football. Looks like a Cricket Fan - Moe Glitz from iPhone
Adnan - it would be nice if we could designate what type of post we are posting on FB and have our "friends" opt in/out for the different ones instead of us choosing for them (which i never do) - Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble numbers of #FIFAWorldCup following on Twitter vs. FB really interesting (not good for Twitter) - Halley Suitt Tucker
"Intents" you mean not "Intense" -- right? - Halley Suitt Tucker
Halley - good analogy - Tina Chase Gillmor
Facebook list of things "for programmers:" - Robert Scoble
Tina, even if we had that, I'd have to teach my mom how to opt out of posts... usually I delegate that task to my sister :) but its still a headache - Adnan
I agree. People like Robert Scoble can mix it up but not everyone can - Tina Chase Gillmor
I try sometimes with varying results - Tina Chase Gillmor
Score Prediction for England vs Italy - Moe Glitz from iPhone
Robert: yes, looks like Doug Purdy's turned FB dev rel around. Looks like Salesforce1 - clive boulton
The Beatles vs The Stones - Moe Glitz from iPhone
And there's an iOS app - Darius Dunlap
Thanks so much for joining us at this weird time! - Robert Scoble
thanks all - Tina Chase Gillmor
great show! :) - Adnan
Thanks guys, great show as always. - Simon Benvenutto
Bye all - Moe Glitz from iPhone
thanks everyone here... show name ideas? - Tina Chase Gillmor
Melly - #TeamMarina
After struggling big time to get my jeans on yesterday morning... Josh bought us an Aria scale yesterday (planned purchase from ages ago but they didn't have white at the time and Josh is picky!), I've joined myfitnesspal, and charged up my FitBit.
Current stats - weight = 71.8kg/158lbs; body fat percentage = 38.8% (scary!) - Melly - #TeamMarina
I need to take this slowly, so right now I just want to track what I'm eating and try and get my steps up a bit. I'll weigh in and re-evaluate every Friday! - Melly - #TeamMarina
I weigh as much as I did when I was heavily pregnant... and only a kg less than my husband, who is almost a foot taller than me :o/ - Melly - #TeamMarina
Good for you! For the few days I was tracking my breakfast, I didn't snack all day. But the last few days I've slipped up big time. We can do it! - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
" only a kg less than my husband." I read that "only a keg less than my husband" and that didn't sound like a bad thing. :-) - bentley
Last night I talked to a friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years. He lost 50 pounds by watching his step count and logging food. He didn't use the Aria. I'm interested in Aria success stories. - Bruce Lewis
Did he always do 10k every day? Or did he have a different goal? Being forced to log food is such a huge eye opener for me. Going out is possibly the worst idea EVER. - Miriella
He's not on FriendFeed. He tells me, "I tried to nail the stair climbing goal every day, but maybe reached it half the time. I embarrassingly rarely hit the steps goal at all. I almost always hit the caloric intake goal and religiously recorded everything I ate on the FitBit app on my Iphone. " - Bruce Lewis
Thanks for the info - it's good to know! I run up and down the stairs in my house when I need to hit the floors goal...and some nights I've noticed they won't register unless I go aaallll the way up (three flights) and all the way down. (I try to just go up and down one flight...but then I get forced to go up three to trigger the thing to count floors) - Miriella
Melly, I am right there with you - keep buying bigger pants :( I think I'm going to have to get another Fitbit (first one had a bad date with a washing machine) - Laura Norvig
Yeah, I've bought bigger pants two years in a row, this time I was like.... NOPE. - Melly - #TeamMarina
Laura Norvig
What am I supposed to do with this old Google poster that explains all of the "nifty modifiers" that they no longer support?
Modify it so it only has current modifiers, or modify it to add new modifiers, or modify it to be for a different service besides Google that has similar modifiers. - NOT THE CRICKET
Most of them are still supported. - NOT THE CRICKET
Send it to the computer museum. - Joe
Hand cross - out the ones that are no longer supported? - Aaron the Librarian from Android
And write RIP on the ones you liked. - kaijsa
And then write: "Everything changes. Ask what's new at the Library!" at the bottom. - Rebecca Hedreen
Which aren't supported any more, anyway? I think I've used most of these recently. - Rebecca Hedreen
"Google is a growing organism" ? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
actually, it's the + that no longer works. RIP + xxxx also, RIP "quotation marks" - I miss those suckers Every Day. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I still use quotes, to good effect, in google searches. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Seconding Rebecca - is there a good list somewhere of what tricks Google ostensibly no longer supports? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
You should still use it - there's nothing wrong with that poster. All of those modifiers do still work in Google: and Where did you hear that they weren't supported any more? - Christa
+ doesn't work anymore, for appending terms to a single query, and ~ no longer works. But otherwise it all still works. Also AND and OR aren't as good as they used to be. - NOT THE CRICKET
ah, my bad, yes, one of the items on that poster doesn't work anymore: the ~ . sorry about that. but all of the others do work. - Christa
actually, it's the + that no longer works. RIP + - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Verbatim, hidden under Search Tools / All Results is sort of like the + as it requires All of your search terms be included, exactly as you typed them. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
wow, yes, very hidden there - maʀtha
I think the ~ is now the default. Whether you want it to be or not. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
See Phil Bradley's site for updates that happened at the time. Two weeks before I was due to teach students the relevant Google modifiers. Mid 2011 I think. My notes for students have details of the exact changes if anyone wants me to flick them to them. Quotes behave differently now(eg. Do " around longish search string u know exists in a page & see what is retrieved) - Kathryn is a free elf
It's a breach of trust. I never feel like I have control over my own searches anymore. I'm pining for the fjords. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
I wonder how much of this applies to Google Scholar. - aaron
Pining... like for email? Old Skool - Aaron the Librarian
hmm, nope, not pining for Pine, although I did use it long ago! - Laura Norvig
Nobody elms for the fjords. - Amit Patel
Amit Patel
On my way to Yosemite from the eastern sierra, I took the June Lake Scenic Drive detour. There was a random waterfall up on a mountain, and only a little bit of snow left.
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Love that area - went backpacking there ... about 30 years ago! - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Steve and 4 other people
Is there any truth to: "If I don't teach my kids to "self-regulate sweets", then later when given the freedom to eat whatever they want, and end up making even more un-healthy choices."
This is what I've been told by some relatives who disagree with our policy of "no sweets" for our kids (7yr, 5yr, 1yr). We still do cake at parties, etc. but have virtually no sweets in the home. (desert, juice, etc. except very infrequently) - Steve and 4 other people
This might be analogous: when my grandmother was 9, she learned to drive the truck on her grandparents' farm. By the time she was old enough to get a driver's license and could legally drive vehicles on the road, driving was no big deal. Contrast with the town kids, who didn't get to drive till age 16 and promptly went wild, as teenage drivers stereotypically do. - bentley
Another analogy: I should give my kids cigarettes now so that they learn to avoid addiction, and it'll be easier for them to not smoke when they're adults. - Steve and 4 other people
Zero tolerance (or nearly) has many of the same pros/cons as other other nonfood topics. I think the good parental approaches range from infrequent to moderate (so, no to laissez faire). - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
The sweets case seems unusual, but one suggestion for prevalence of severe alcohol abuse by youths in the US, is the enforced abstinence limits the ability to self-regulate. Though there are other issues, such as the legal issues for adults who could lead as example not being able to legal allow it. - NOT THE CRICKET
Probably also depends on what example parents set. I am still happy to see how my four year old can eat half a cookie and then asks for some carrots or grapes. Hopefully we can keep that up. - Stephan #TeamMarina from iPhone
Are there studies about "enforced abstinence limits the ability to self-regulate"? Would love to read some real research as that's the root of the issue for me. - Steve and 4 other people
FYI with our kids -- it's mostly that we don't have sweets in the house on a regular basis as many others seem to. We generally don't talk about "treats" as I've seen other parents. For example, at Halloween, they can have as much candy as they want, and then a day or two later, they forget about their bags and a week after that we just throw it out. - Steve and 4 other people
It doesn't sound to me like you're doing "no sweets." You're doing "limited sweets" or "special occasion sweets." You're not doing "ubiquitous sweets." Your relatives don't have a case, in my opinion. - bentley
It appears to me that you're just setting a good example of healthy eating. - Anne Bouey
Yes, we feel that we're just setting a good example, but our relatives think we're "depriving" our children. :( - Steve and 4 other people
Your relatives are wrong. Tell them the internet said so. :-) - bentley
that is wonderful what you have taught your children. - Valz 4 TEAMMARINA
I agree with Anne. Also, from what I've experienced, kids are not great with self-regulation of sweets. They build up an insatiable sugar tolerance after awhile and want more and more. I think you guys are doing it right. - Jenny H. from Android
Sounds to me that once a year (Halloween) will give them plenty of opportunity to learn some self regulation. Plus, what Jenny said. You get two thumbs up from me, carry on. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
I think as long as you're not policing what they do with sweets at other peoples houses, or making value judgments about sugar being evil, then however much sugar you have in the house is however much you have in the house. When I was a kid, the mother of one of our friends would call the house to make sure her kid wasn't overeating. Needless to say she went crazy every chance she got. My kids do fine with self-regulating - both are athletes and healthy eaters. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
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