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lris
Surreal occurrence of the evening: Being hand-delivered documents for immediate signature and initialing. That happens outside of movies?
Did someone serve you papers? - Meg VMeg
Ohhhhhhhhhh the house :) - Meg VMeg
Heh, yeah, I'm fine. It was just some extra stuff for the house. - lris
House-buying is surreal in so many ways. (Does your realtor prepare a CD-ROM with all the documents? Even so, you wind up with a thick stack of stuff that YOU CAN NEVER THROW AWAY. Much of it on legal-size paper, just to make it more fun to file.) I'll bet fax will be involved... - Walt Crawford
I did not get a CD ROM. Then again, we live in the Midwest. But I didn't have to fax anything. - laura x from iPhone
This is exciting! - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
I've never gotten a CD-ROM, but I do have several large stacks of legal sized paper buried in the bottom of a desk drawer. Also, yes, fax was involved. ugh. Good luck!! - ~Courtney F
Oh yeah, you're required to use a fax machine at least once in the process of buying a house. It's, like, a federal statute or something. - Catherine Pellegrino
Oh no... That might be a deal-breaker - lris
*whispers* Never had to use a fax when we bought our house. -> - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
You might want to check your deed, Jaclyn. Seems like it might be possible you don't own that house. - lris
actual papers? we did it all through PDFs. - kendrak
Jeez. We went to a bank, signed a bunch of papers and never saw them again. Just mailed 'em a check every month until the house was paid for. The good old days. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
So in California you get PDFs but still have to fax, and in Iowa you get paper but don't have to fax. I am confused. I know I've been making mortgage payments for 3 years, though.... - laura x
We had a stack of papers to sign with the builders, but all the paperwork we did with the lender was electronic. In fact, they were like "Please don't mail or fax us anything. We prefer e-mailed scans." - Hookuh Tinypants
the only papers we signed were for the loan documents, and that was at the mortgage brokers' office. everything else was done electronically. kind of rad. - kendrak
"In California" is a little broad. For every one of the houses we've bought or sold, we've had loads of actual paper...the last two times, the CD-R contains copies of that paper. Probably depends on the realtors and local agencies involved. (I would say "county or city," but Livermore is in Alameda County, and I assume Kendra's also in Alameda County.) - Walt Crawford
Ah. One other reason we have lots of paper is that the mortgage broker has zero paper, because the latest transactions were all-cash. Which seems to confound some title companies... - Walt Crawford
Has difficulty imagining owning a house --> - Brent Schaus from iPhone
ME TOO - lris
Paul Buchheit
Last friday I taped an iPhone to my head and ran around Paris capturing the most famous sights in a single (somewhat shaky) shot. Here's the video: http://vimeo.com/12906858
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*spot reserved for a later comment* - Micah from iPhone
Now we know what that 94 minute video was. :) - NOT THE CRICKET
that explain other FF posts, looking for tapes and where can one upload large video files ;-). - Tzury Bar Yochay
Yeah, I never did get the duct tape though, so I had to use clear packaging tape instead (with a sock stuffed between the iPhone and my hat to get the correctish angle). - Paul Buchheit
Patent it NOW - Josh Haley
Well, this is just genius! - Eric - It's My Thing
When you said you ran you weren't speaking metaphorically. - Eric - It's My Thing
Very Cool Paul! - Jeff P. Henderson
great and inspiring - Nenko Ivanov
this was perfect, I opened up my Paris map and followed you :) - İpek Aral
I'm surprised you were able to follow. I didn't have a map (my iPhone was taped to my head!) so I made a number of wrong turns, though the high-level route was pretty basic. - Paul Buchheit
Saw the vimeo on your stream and watched a little of it. Great stuff! Cool to see new iphone vid quality. (er 3gs? quality, hmm) Oh yeah, and enjoy Paris! - Jay
It's actually a 3GS, not an iphone 4. - Paul Buchheit
I think I might tape a photo of Paul with an iPhone taped to his head to my head because I want to get arrested for being a menace. - Akiva
You can fit an iPad on my forehead. - Josh Haley
Ahhh this explains the "ducktape in Paris" stuff LOL :D (that picture is full of geeky win!) - Susan Beebe
@Paul just curious how much battery did you have left after you were done recording? - BRҰANSAҰS
Something like 22%, as I recall. I had put the phone in airplane mode to reduce wireless consumption and also because I'm concerned that an incoming call would stop the video or something. - Paul Buchheit
Not bad. I guess you could get at least 2 hours of recording on one charge. - BRҰANSAҰS from BuddyFeed
Nice idea, OP - LANjackal
this is definitely on the list of 'quirkiest things ever done with an iPhone'. :-) - Olivia Lovag
this is so romantic - τorƍue
awesome, you just needed a gun and it would make a cool REAL-time FPS :) - Emil Kirichev
oh thanks you soo much!!! I love it! - Bojan Babic
surprisingly un-shaky - Sally Relton Shakespeare
Avg. speed: 9.48 km/h (9.23 mi in 94 min, see red track http://maps.google.com/maps...) - Jérôme
Paul had the initial idea for Google Glass exactly two years before Google launched Glass. :) - Space Cowboy
Now, if only he had thought of Gmail. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
I hope this isn't the start of a "people walk around cities w/smartphones taped to their hats" trend. - rönin
I hope it is - Mo Kargas
If so, it'll just be transitional until smartphones are replaced by glasses-phones. Or smart glasses. Do we have an official name for those yet? - Andrew C (✔)
Iphone taped to the forehead, what a nice way to show #IamAmerican abroad :) - непростые коротышки
first laugh of the day, ty a.t. - chaz2b
LOL, Google Glass back in the days. Monsieur: Martini? Great stuff as I was doing myself a lot of these then too... 9) - Zu from AOD
up di apprezzamento dall'Italia - naltro
Not quite last Friday. - Joe
TÉMOIGNAGE: Si vous voulez faire un prêt entre particulier merci prendre contacte ( josianemichelled@gmail.com ) avec cette MME D'HAVE qui m'a rendu le sourire aux lèvres. J'ai plusieurs collègues qui ont aussi reçus des prêts à son niveau sans problèmes au lieu de vous faire avoir par des individus mal intentionnés qui prennent pour travail à escroquer les innocents. Je publie ce... more... - josiane
Amit Patel
Implementing draggable handles
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People ask me sometimes how I make my interactive tutorials. I'm going to write some “making of” articles to share the techniques I use. - Amit Patel
Very neat, Amit. - SAM
Wow - bonus explanations i understand. Well done. - Steve C Team Marina
lris
off to see a realtor about a house...
GAH I JUST WROTE TO MY REALTOR AND ASKED HER TO PUT IN AN OFFER GAAAHHHHHHHH - lris
PICS! - Meg VMeg
LOVE THE AIRLOCK - Meg VMeg
It's cute! - Meg VMeg
Nice! - bentley
Watch, now somebody else will out-bid me, just when I finally made up my mind - lris
nope they won't. you'll get it. also i've not done homerepair before, but watched a lot of rehab addict and i'll help operate sanders or something :) - Sir Shuping is just sir
You're going to have to hire somebody to do lawn care. And regrade the side of the house around that window well. - DJF from Android
Yep, and yep. - lris
Exciting!!! - Marie
Wow! The airlock is great and the bathroom looks like it was just redone. I also like that the kitchen cabinets have simple, flat doors as I was just noticing how much gunk collects in the grooves of mine. - Galadriel C. from Android
So explain to me the whole airlock thing? I've never seen one before. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
^ - Marie
Love the grain on the built-ins in the bedroom. If you get re-landscaped, you can save on hiring someone to do mowing, etc. (Owen Dell showed slides of a landscape he designed for a guy who wanted to do absolutely NO maintenance. He had pictures from years later and the guy really had done no maintenance and it looked terrific. http://www.owendell.com/Books...) Good luck! - Spidra Webster
And which room have you chosen as the yarn room? - Hedgehog
Oh, that's cute! Love the built-ins, and that enclosed front porch (totally giggling over "airlock") will be very, very nice in winter. - Kirsten
In my world, airlocks are mudrooms, if that's a word you know -- they give you a space in which you gear up and gear down for the outside weather, without bringing said weather into your foyer/house. So you go out into the airlock/mudroom to put on your boots and snowpants and coat and mittens and hat and scarf, all of which can then, later, be taken off there, and dry, before you open the door into your house. When it's -20F outside, and you're covered in snow, this is AWESOME. - Jenica
It is the bane of our existence that our house here has no mudroom/entryway/airlock (this is new to me as a term-always used mudroom) of any sort. Not even a hall closet. Yes, it's Virginia but yes, we have weather and clothes. Stupid, stupid builders. - Julie Kane
Huh, in my South Dakotan side of the family, a mud room includes a shower, because they're farmer stock and they come in from the hog farm or the fields and need a shower before entering the house proper. - lris
Justin and I dream of a house with a workshop for him that connects to the house via a mudroom with the laundry and a shower in it... Work with nasty chemicals and metal filings and sawdust, then drop all your dirty clothes and take a shower before coming into the house proper. PERFECTION. - Jenica
The house I grew up in had a breezeway that attached the garage to the house. The first room after that was a hallway that had, on one end, a full bath, and then the laundry area. We definitely used that area to divest ourselves of filthy barn clothes, coveralls, etc. Horse muck did not belong in the house. - Katy S
Oooooo. All of those things sound amazing. Our long-term plan is to expand and cover/enclose our deck, add a mudroom there, and an open deck off of our bedroom. And finish the basement, with bathroom. Sigh. Someday. - Julie Kane
Oddly, out here, laundry rooms are sometimes called mudrooms--e.g., ours is between our "breakfast nook" and garage. I like the airlock idea for climates where it's more frequently needed... - Walt Crawford
Creeping charley is very good at holding soil down. I'm all for it. - maʀtha
I like the closets and cabinets very much - maʀtha
so much wood! i see lots of potential in the sun room. it's cute! - kendrak
you're gonna love that screen porch!! it's also cat heaven!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I've read through this three times trying to find your post that your offer was accepted. Well? (The house is really, really nice, so I hope that it was.) - Mama Lawson
I don't know yet if the offer was accepted, and the realtor expects we won't know until early next week. The suspense is killing me. - lris
laura x
Our Banned Books Week tumblr is kind of cool. We city staff and council members to take selfies with their favorite banned books. - laura x from Bookmarklet
Amit Patel
Laws Railroad Museum in Bishop CA is mostly non-railroad stuff. They preserved lots of old buildings and artifacts. This is the photography building with lots of old cameras, film, accessories:
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Amir
21 Foods That Reduce Pain, Inflammation And Boost Immunity - http://eatlocalgrown.com/article...
21 Foods That Reduce Pain, Inflammation And Boost Immunity
Todd Hoff
Do computers have a Dunbar number?
I'm surprised from an Android the number is so low. - Todd Hoff
Human-Computer or Computer-Computer? - NOT THE CRICKET
Computer - Computer would be widely-bounded by sockets, and more closely bounded by throughput capacity and file-descriptors. - NOT THE CRICKET
Human-Computer would be variable, but for the average person 2-3 (when you add in the phone and tablets). For programmers, the number would probably be from the average up to 10-15. - NOT THE CRICKET
Glen Campbell
RT @jamiehannaford: :) "Boys wear skirts to class in protest after school fines trans girl for wearing skirt" http://www.advocate.com/politic...
RT @jamiehannaford: :) "Boys wear skirts to class in protest after school fines trans girl for wearing skirt" http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/09/20/boys-wear-skirts-class-protest-after-school-fines-trans-girl-wearing
Awesome. - SAM
Amit Patel
Broccoli Cheese Cornbread Mini-Muffins | Mumblegrits - http://mumblegrits.blogspot.com/2014...
Broccoli Cheese Cornbread Mini-Muffins | Mumblegrits
"This is the best ever recipe. Everybody liikes it, even if they don't like broccoli.If you choose only one thing on this blog to make, make it this!" - Amit Patel from Bookmarklet
Laura
I know there's some overlap between these two rooms, so I thought I'd mention an ebook I bought last night: Good Housekeeping for the Chronically Fagged (http://amzn.to/1ucknrA). It's a really informal book, only about 40 pages, but I've found a number of things in there that have made me think. A few quotes:
"A routine is scheduled method for accomplishing tasks, in a particular order, at particular times. A routine, therefore, has objectives, priorities, a schedule, and means for seeing it through. A routine is not inflexible, but neither is it made to be broken or bent unnecessarily...For persons with compromised health, an orderly routine for sustaining a comfortable habitat and a clear conscience that finances are in order, is simply not optional. Disorder, whether it be clutter or unpaid bills, is stressful, and stress aggravates chronic illness." - Laura
"For those of us with chronic pain and fatigue, extended social time, or any time away from home, even to be with friends we dearly love, may increase our stress, pain, and fatigue...So it's important for us to enjoy being home. And if we enjoy being home, we should aspire to care for our home in a way that repays us with an environment that nurtures us and promotes our well-being." - Laura
"Things may become clutter if they are habitually out of context." - Laura
Thanks for posting. One of my issues is I don't have designated places for lots of stuff (gel I haven't used in 6 months but don't want to throw away, for example). - YvonneM
oh, that second quote, esp the last line is really really poignant. - Lnorigb
Anne Bouey
Vienna State Opera Comedy Ballet - FaithTap - http://faithtap.com/1762...
Vienna State Opera Comedy Ballet - FaithTap
"This beautiful, and classically trained ballet troop did something a little out of the ordinary to keep their audience guessing What a hysterical way to have fun at the ballet, and really enjoy your audience!" - Anne Bouey from Bookmarklet
Many, many years ago, I saw a ballet on PBS called something like Ballet of Errors, with several mixed pairs of dancers. I've been wanting to watch it again ever since. This was better than the memory of the other one. I'm happy now. - bentley
Delighted to add to your day, Betsy. :) - Anne Bouey
laura x
#toddlerx: "I'm not boisterous; I'm Peter."
HEEEEEEE <3 - lris
List of Things #toddlerx Is Not: 1. A monster. 2. Boisterous. - Catherine Pellegrino
Justin used to say "I'm not cute, I'm Justin." - Joe
He is, however, 1) Superman, 2) an elephant, and 3) Super Bunny. - laura x from iPhone
#mr3 was thrilled last night to eat "spaghetti cake" covered in "cake sauce" when real cake was not forthcoming. - lris
Holly's favorite Anna
RT @astrokatie: Don’t start a headline about a business leader "Mother of" unless the third word is "Dragons." http://www.newstatesman.com/media-m... https://twitter.com/AstroKa...
RT @astrokatie: Don’t start a headline about a business leader "Mother of" unless the third word is "Dragons." http://www.newstatesman.com/media-mole/2014/09/mother-three-how-telegraph-describes-hsbc-director http://t.co/HvbFDxBB7U
I'm going to guess there are a lot of headline-writers who don't understand why that's offensive. And yet, oddly enough, almost no newspaper headlined "Father of two elected President" in 2008. Wonder why that is? - Walt Crawford
But that's also reductive of good fathering, though. In the best light, in a lede like this, mentioning she's a mother seems irrelevant. - Victor Ganata
It's just not appropriate, and it isn't positive. By that reasoning, the childless woman is less qualified to lead the BBC? No. For male candidates, you'd see something along the lines of, "Ex-CEO of The Financial Times Group" or "HSBC Director" instead, which would be both informative and correct. Heck, the way this is written, they have to shoe-horn that information into the first paragraph, and her name isn't even mentioned until the second. - Jennifer Dittrich
Sorry, Slippy, but I can't go along with you on this one. The story isn't about the woman having three children; it's about her being likely to be the BBC's leader--and for that, the headline is inappropriate (Jennifer offers a good quick summary as to why). - Walt Crawford
*high fives all around* - Jennifer Dittrich
Wait, what? Daenarys Stormborn has taken over the BBC? I'm so confused. I thought she was still running Meereen. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Oh JFC. I can't even with this world sometimes. I walked out on a date the other night after he said that if women wanted to be paid more, they should just get different jobs. Now this. - laura x from iPhone
Joe
Joe
tomorrow is talk like a librarian pirate day.
Bump. Now today. - Joe
I'm chairing a meeting in 20 minutes and the first item on the agenda is "conduct meeting in pirate voices? Y / N" - Catherine Pellegrino
About to open up the ref desk. I think me hearties will be disappointed, as I'm not really feeling it this year. - Stephen Francoeur
Mary Carmen
Good morning!
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Hello :) - Pete : Team Marina
Hi there! - Galadriel C.
You three are so beautiful I can't put it into words. Your smiles are helping me through a tough morning. Love you guys. - Stephen Mack
O HAI, NYCE PEOPLEZ. :) - Vampire Hunter DYSP
Good morning! - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Thanks y'all. As you can tell, I am the last person to get up in the morning in this family. - Mary Carmen
*waves* ... grinning over here - MoTO: Team Marina
Yvonne Renee
Happy 9th Birthday, Sammy!
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NINE! Happy Birthday to Sammy! - vicster: full-bodied
Happy birthday to Sammy! - Anne Bouey
Thanks, Yvonne! - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Happy birthday, Sammy! - Tamara J. B. from FFHound(roid)!
Aww. Happy birthday! <3 - Jenny H. from Android
Happy birthday, Sammy :) - Morgan Fugel
Happy birthday :) - Pete : Team Marina
Happy Birthday - MoTO: Team Marina from Android
Happy birthday, Sammy! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
had a second date with a guy over the weekend and it went better than I expected... I like him more than I thought I would, but he lives north of Atlanta and has two small kids to schedule around, so I doubt anything can really come of it... anyway, point of the story is he sent me a link to his old band from back in the day and I LOVE IT...
part of me was hoping it would be terrible and I could tease him about it, but now it's what I want to listen to all day. If you want to hear some rockin emo pop punk with a hardcore twinge to it, check it out: https://soundcloud.com/screami... p.s. he's the guy yelling ;) - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Stephen Mack
Happy Ninth Birthday, Samuel - http://www.zeigen.com/blog...
Sammy in 2014, at the Santa Clara County Fair with a snake around his neck
How is he 9 already? - Stephen Mack
So big! Happy birthday, to your little dude. - Anika
I don't believe it! Happy Birthday, Samuel! - Melly - #TeamMarina
Love that kid! - Yvonne Renee
Thanks, Anika, Melly and Yvonne! I'm getting all teary-eyed. :) - Stephen Mack
Happy Sammy Day! Yay! - Lisa L. Seifert from iPhone
Happy Birthday, Mr. Samuel! - vicster: full-bodied
Stephen Mack
Dropbox is insane. This policy is nuts: "Question: Will joining someone else's shared folder use my quota?" [Dropbox Help] - https://www.dropbox.com/help...
Dropbox is insane. This policy is nuts: "Question: Will joining someone else's shared folder use my quota?" [Dropbox Help]
Answer: "The size of a shared folder will be counted against the quota of every member of that folder, unless everyone is a member of the same Dropbox for Business account. For Business accounts, the size of the shared folder will be counted against the team's shared quota only once. For all other users, your Dropbox storage quota is calculated by adding up the total amount of data in your Dropbox folder, including all shared folders. As a result, the owner of a Dropbox Basic 18 GB (2 GB + bonus storage earned through referrals) account will not be able to collaborate on a shared folder larger than 18 GB. One reason this policy exists is to prevent people from giving themselves unlimited space by stacking Basic accounts with shared folders." - Stephen Mack from Bookmarklet
My camp is trying to share photos from Burning Man. We started out on Flickr, but Flickr requires everyone have a Yahoo e-mail, and some people resisted. So we gave Dropbox a try. Now everyone who joins the shared folder is out of quota. - Stephen Mack
I guess we'll try Google Drive or Shutterfly next. - Stephen Mack
If people don't want full rez, just upload to G+ and you'll get 2k resolution unlimited photos for free. - Steve and 4 other people
the dropbox thing is baffling. what a strange solution to "we don't want people to be cheap". - Jenica
Steve: G+ might work, although if people didn't want to create a Yahoo account, not sure how they'll feel about G+ accounts. - Stephen Mack
Jenica: I know! It seems completely nuts to me. - Stephen Mack
I think G+ has the same problem as Google Drive right? Do you have a non-google e-mail address I can try to share a GDrive folder with? - Steve and 4 other people
Sure, you could use my @tivo.com address - Stephen Mack
Done. Do you want to share a folder? - Steve and 4 other people
Got it! Thanks, Steve. (Curious: Why do those files have such bizarre filenames?) - Stephen Mack
So what I ended up doing since half of us are on Dropbox already is to use "links" instead of "shares" -- I have one shared folder for uploads, which I then move into the "linked" folder. Still pretty lame. - Stephen Mack
Yup, I have this same problem with Dropbox. We have a license to a bunch of tutorial videos for WordPress, and the creator shares the new versions with us through Dropbox. Each time he shares the updated videos, it blows right through my Dropbox quota, and I have to remove everything else in order to accept the sharing invitation. Then, it gets a little dicey, because I'm never sure if... more... - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
Those filenames are just what Amazon MP3 generated, unfortunately. :( - Steve and 4 other people
@Stephen, if Google Drive doesn't work, rant about why and I'll tell our people what we should do to fix. - Louis Gray
Katy S
Ursula Le Guin receives National Book Foundation medal | Shelf Life | EW.com - http://shelf-life.ew.com/2014...
Ursula Le Guin receives National Book Foundation medal | Shelf Life | EW.com
"Every year, the National Book Foundation awards the Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters to an author “who has enriched our literary heritage over a life of service, or a corpus of work.” Since the medal’s inception, authors spanning all genres have been honored, from David McCullough’s historical nonfiction to Ray Bradbury’s science fiction and everything in between. This year, the foundation has awarded the medal to Ursula Le Guin, whose body of sci-fi and fantasy work spans dozens of novels, short stories, and poems." - Katy S from Bookmarklet
All I have to say, is the genre snobs better not treat her award like they treated Stephen King's award. - Katy S
I was gonna say. The Lit'ry Establishment gets the vapors in 3... 2... 1... - RepoRat
Really, I don't know if they could be worse than they were when King got the award in 2003. - Katy S
The one reason they might muzzle it is if they know that Ursula K. CALLS THAT SHIT OUT. - RepoRat
True. Of course, King called them out in his speech. http://www.nationalbook.org/nbaacce... I was so happy when that happened. - Katy S
daaaamn. I don't read horror, and am not a fan of King's work, but I am now a fan of King himself. - RepoRat
I read a lot of his work when I was a teen and tween, then it tapered off. I still enjoy his short stories, though. Now, when I read horror, it tends to be more along the lines of Lovecraft, Blackwood, or Machen. Regardless, the snobbishness of some of the reactions when he received the award were ridiculous. I love that he came back at them. Also, I love all of the things he said about his wife in this. - Katy S
Ken Morley
Sweet! - comix aka martha
Classsssic! - CarlC
Eons ago, Napster had ALL of these Big Mama recordings that were of her earlier stuff and ton of old blues & jazz from the turn of the century, where they didn't even know who was performing. If they still have it, you should check it out. I've not been able to find them anywhere since. - Anika
Thanks Anika, I'll have a look for that. I've found a lot of her stuff on YouTube, and *ahem* by other methods. :) - Ken Morley
Love me some BMT. - Derrick
Two more of my favouites are School Boy http://www.youtube.com/watch... and My Heavy Road http://www.youtube.com/watch... :) - Ken Morley
:) - Ken Morley
^ Yes! :) - Ken Morley
Service News
AmeriCorps 20th Anniversary - South Lawn of The White House - September 9, 2014 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
AmeriCorps 20th Anniversary - South Lawn of The White House - September 9, 2014
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AmeriCorps Pledge Video from President George W. Bush and Laura Bush - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
AmeriCorps Pledge Video from President George W. Bush and Laura Bush
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RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I want my students to share their work library with me, whatever tool they use. But I can't really do that if they use Mendeley, can I?
They can either make a shared library that you can see, or they can export items in their library to a RIS file. - lris
My Mendeley shared library assumptions/questions: if each person gets 1 shared library, and 4 share with me, can that happen? Am I allowed to be in 4 shared libraries? And, if I make them share with me, will that use up all their shared libraries forever? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
The number of free shared libraries you have on your account kind of depends on when you opened your account in the first place. My coworker has 4, I have 3. You wouldn't be able to have more than your account limit's worth of students share with you. When they're done with this work, they can always delete a shared library and make a different one to share with other people. - lris
You can be in as many shared libraries as you want. You only get to own one. - DJF from Android
Thanks all, I didn't know those details! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Always feels funny to be alone in a room wearing a paper gown waiting for the doctor to come in. Do not like.
Chiffon? - MoTO: Team Marina
Now there's a thought. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Use what you find around the office to accent the fashion. Stethoscope belt, tongue depressor earings... - Steve C Team Marina
Was gonna do origami bangles out of the tattoo removal brochures, but then the doc came in. Quick scan and she froze a piece of my face and chest, then cut out a piece of my right butt cheek. Who gets skin cancer on their ass? Hopefully not me. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Slice of moonpie? *runs* - MoTO: Team Marina
Bite of rump roast? - Steve C Team Marina
oh, y'all got jokes I see. ok. well it wasn't your bum under the knife was it? also, now sitting hurts. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
mmm-hmm *bitch lips* - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Hope it hurts less to be sitting. - Spidra Webster
Steve, while I cannot say I laughed out loud, I am definitely noting your doctor's office tips for the future. - Spidra Webster
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I'm not cool enough for this job (nor have the experience): https://medium.com/jobs...
maʀtha
Hey, is it time for a new LSW room tagline?
How about- this tag line is intentionally left blank. - Joe
Catherine Pellegrino: "Today I weeded a rock from the ready-reference collection at my library." - RepoRat
For the complete LSW tagline please refer to the print edition. - Galadriel C. from Android
okay, Galadriel's just cracked me up. - RepoRat
Seconded. - Julian
Definitely Galadriel's. - Catherine Pellegrino
Fourthed. - Walt Crawford
All in favor, say "aye." - Julian
Aye. - Joe
We now move this matter to committee... - Julian
Don't we need to discuss which committee this moves to? - Joe
I nominate Galadriel as Chair of the Tagline Committee for 2014-2015. - Marie
Seconded. - RepoRat
Thirded. - Joe
Eh... it's her baby now. - Julian
(I love this thread) - bentley
Aye, aye. - laura x from iPhone
well done, people! - maʀtha
will someone with powers please make the change? - maʀtha
Someone? Bueller? - Kirsten
*WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE ACTIVATED* The tagline is now 'For the complete LSW tagline please refer to the print edition' What a great idea of mine. - Pete : Team Marina
LOL - maʀtha
I think lris and Steve have admin privies. - Joe
So she's chair of the committee responsible for setting the tagline, but she doesn't have the authority to do so. Typical. - DJF
The actually work is appointed to the tagline subcommittee. - Galadriel C.
I like this entire thread. - maʀtha
is tagline one word or two? I think it should be "tag line." What style guide are we referring to? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
"tagline" - maʀtha
(I also love this thread.) - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Except I Know You're Being Ironic... *weeps for teh future* - Aaron the Librarian
So brilliant. - barbara fister
Much wow. - bentley
^^^ that's brill too. - barbara fister
:-) - bentley
aaron
Depositing articles into Institutional repositories isn't Open Access because it usually isn't CC-BY? http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2014...
Must say I am so confused on practical matters beyond definitional issues. So for Pre-prints you can generally choose the licenses you want including CC-BY, while for post prints and final versions you are limited to what the publishers allow and almost always they don't allow CC-BY? - aaron
Say for example i have a paper in Library Management and I check Sherpa-romeo it says okay post-print in IRs. Can I use CC-BY or any other CC license (CC-BY-NC etc) for that matter? - aaron
The whole piece starts from the wrong perspective. It sets up an opposition between journal-mediated OA and repository-mediated OA on the basis that repositories can't choose licenses. Repositories can, of course, choose licenses (or let authors do so) if they ensure that authors retain sufficient rights. Whether its done through journals or repositories, getting liberal licensing requires some political will on part of the community to tell publishers how its going to be. - Cameron Neylon
Short answer: To post anything anywhere under any license you need the rights to do so. If you've given them away you can't. If you don't give them away you can. There is some confusion over whether differing versions of the manuscript are subject to copyright transfer agreements. - Cameron Neylon
My frustration is that the tenor of the argument (publishers are pushing for CC BY) is absolutely wrong. The traditional publishers are pushing for CC NC with them owning the copyright. Picking fights amongst ourselves over licensing, rather than working together to ensure authors retain copyright is playing right into their hands. - Cameron Neylon
I have to say, though, I'm with Royster on "the OA movement has repeatedly and callously screwed IR managers and libraries." But you knew that. - RepoRat
...not all OA advocates</sarcasm>...or is that</irony>? not sure... - Cameron Neylon
...but more seriously, a lot of that screwing has come from precisely the people pushing Royster's agenda (and a lot from others not pushing that agenda to be fair). But I don't see why we can't celebrate Royster's success (and others) as a model that takes us some distance but not the whole way. While exploring the options for going the whole way through repositories (via rights retention and licensing) and through journals and licensing. - Cameron Neylon
Put it this way. Elsevier folks are approvingly retweeting Poynder on this... - Cameron Neylon
Well, I agree, Cameron, but Paul's right that this is exactly what SPARC and the CC-BYnauts refuse to do. (I will say that I do *not* understand Paul's infatuation with H-rn-d. If there's a more anti-library voice anywhere in OA, it's Poynder himself.) - RepoRat
As for "Royster's agenda," it strikes me as an "actually get shit done" agenda, and I approve... especially having been hamstrung by my own workplaces as far as the shit they would actually allow me to get done. Now, what Royster doesn't completely get is that his success is rather sui generis -- even I, whose skills parallel his, couldn't do what he has -- but he's 100% right that he got shit done because he blew all the way past the parameters of what an IR is "supposed" to do. - RepoRat
Yeh, sorry, "agenda" is a loaded term and I shouldn't have used it. And I completely agree with the "gsd" idea. But I can't help but feel that he is over-reacting to a mis-interpretation of the SPARC position (exacerbated to be fair by anti-repo folks, who in turn are frustrated by non-delivery by many IRs which in turn is due to a lack of institutional support/vision/understanding). - Cameron Neylon
...or to put it another way, everyone is frustrated by the limitations of progress. While in fact in diverse ways there is lots of progress. But the frustration has us shouting at each other rather than combining to take on the real problem. - Cameron Neylon
True enough. I still think Royster is more sinned against than sinning, however. - RepoRat
Yeh, I don't know the history there. But I was there in Kansas City. Heather's point was always that with good progress towards public access we need to ensure that traditional publishers don't grab a rhetorical position around equating ability to read with 'Open Access' and from there to the idea that we're finished. It's precisely about combatting CHORUS and trad publisher initiatives... more... - Cameron Neylon
tl;dr I think we're burning a lot of energy on each other rather than focussing it where needed. And Poynder seems to fan the flames. What we'll be left with is some good repositories where we can read stuff and everything else is CC NC with copyright held by Elsevier. - Cameron Neylon
Agree that we need to focus on authors who should keep the copyright. However, from surveys I've seen, most/many authors would want to license their work CC-BY-NC, so in a way it is a positive for many OA publishers to license their works as CC-BY. - Joe
Of only it were the case that AUTHORS retained control over the commercial uses when journals publish with the CC-BY-NC license. Usually, it's the publisher that retains control over future commercial uses. - DJF from Android
Which points to the real root problem, IMO: ignorance, mostly though not exclusively among faculty. (I ain't never gon' get over Mike "can't trust IRs! they're run by libraries! let's put everything in arXiv!" Taylor.) - RepoRat
" If there's a more anti-library voice anywhere in OA, it's Poynder himself." Sigh and I thought I was finally starting to understand the complexities of Open Access by reading through the State of Open Access interviews. Poynder reads very librarian friendly to me, a newbie to this area..... harnad makes sense to me though dont get the repetition thing he does. - aaron
"What we'll be left with is some good repositories where we can read stuff and everything else is CC NC with copyright held by Elsevier." Sorry, another newbie question. This is bad because? datamining? - aaron
This is bad because authors are the ones who should have the final say in how their work is used, not Elsevier. And the model you quote eliminates A LOT of uses. A friend of mine just published an edited collection of papers on bioethics, and she had to leave out a core article because the PUBLISHER wanted too high a licensing fee. Which means that the original author isn't being read. - DJF from Android
Poynder's interviewees are well-selected and the interviews are worth reading, but he can certainly slant a question when he wants to. (Shieber in particular calls him on it several times.) He also periodically writes some damn thing slamming libraries for Not Doing Enough for OA. I largely quit reading everything except his interviews in, like, 2008 or so because of that. When POYNDER loses a career for caring too much about OA, he can tell me I ain't done enough. Until then, he can STFU. - RepoRat
@Aaron So some (many) authors don't want commercial use of their work and so they get slanted towards an NC license. If they hold the rights then I'm kind of ok with this because when we convince them of the one true way (TM) they have the option to relicense. Or if someone comes along with a commercial use that they like they can specifically license that. Not great, but not so bad.... more... - Cameron Neylon
Cameron, I've come to the conclusion that owning the copyright is a red herring. It's common for large publishers to say, "author keeps the copyright, we publish it NC, and we are the ones who license commercial uses." So I talk about control and decision-making, not copyright, because it's me general and avoids the confusion caused by publishers going for the "author retains copyright" checkbox. - DJF from Android
@DJF, yes you're quite right. We've just changed wording in an updated version of the Open Access Spectrum for precisely that reason. 'Author retains full rights to assign rights' is a bit of a mouthful though :-) - Cameron Neylon
So if authors never ever sign over copyrights... the whole argument abt green vs gold is mostly moot and we all live happily ever after? - aaron
Life would be a lot easier, yeah. A simple author permission, which isn't too hard to come by, would let a librarian or a grant agency grab up manuscripts to make OA, and all the tedious arguments about text-mining wouldn't come up. Much bizarro permissions stuff would also vanish, though in fairness it must be said that skeevy republication outlets would likely become much more of a thing. - RepoRat
Yep, and that's the core of my issue with the dustup. There's nothing in principle stopping an institution ensuring that it or its authors can make docs available on a repository under any desired license. There's nothing inherent in publisher-route OA that makes licensing easier. In both cases the community needs to demand either the licenses they want or the right to license as they... more... - Cameron Neylon
This is one of those surprisingly meaty FF threads that I hope stays around. Dunno that I have much to add, except that I find that thinking of Poynder as "Harnad with less repetition and a little more subtlety" makes it easier to understand his posts. - Walt Crawford
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