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Brad Williamson to Brad's feed, Arts and Culture, Media News and Analysis, Social Media, TheNextWeb Forum, RWW: The Future of Tech
Happiness is contagious in social networks - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
George Dearing, Ayhan Kocak, Tonick and 10 other people liked this
"If you are the hub of a large network of people -- that is, if you have a lot of connected friends or a wide social circle -- you are more likely to become happy, the study found. But the reverse is not true. "You might only have one friend or two friends or something like that, and if you become happy, you're not going to try to get more friends. You're probably going to stick with what worked in the first place," Fowler said. The researchers are also looking at the phenomenon on Facebook, which has more than 120 million active users. This study, which has not yet been published, looked at who smiles in their profile pictures who doesn't, and whether their connections also smile or not, Fowler said. "We find smiling profiles cluster in much the same way as happiness is clustering in the Framingham Heart Study," he said."
- Brad Williamson
from Bookmarklet
The "Arts & Culture" room focuses on the smarter side of the Web. Join us and embrace new insights ;-) http://friendfeed.com/arts-an...
- Brad Williamson
Twitter is like paused friendfeed without comments. Without likes. Without play in line YouTube videos and flickr photos. :-)
Nikos Kouremenos, Magic M., Martynas and 81 other people liked this
But who actually uses the twitter interface, Robert/
- Alec Saunders
I like the old FriendFeed's speed, with the new FriendFeed design. The old FriendFeed auto-updated, but not nearly as fast.
- Jesse Stay
that is just the right statement. Too much focus on 120 chars. Time to move on
- Vivek Puri
Do you remember, well... jaiku? :)
- Claudio Cicali ♋
But who actually uses Twitter on the web, Robert? Everyone I know uses tweetdeck
- Alec Saunders
I use the Twitter web site often, as a complement to twitter clients both desktop and mobile.
- Odi Kosmatos
Alec, i do. Why? I hate tiny EXEs taking up memory that my IDE needs
- Vivek Puri
Twitter is like Friendfeed with all your friends instead of just a few...
- Stephen Foskett
FriendFeed is like Facebook without the Apps
- Eli Juicy Jones
Is there a way to collapse the comments once you've opened them?
- Pete Smith
simran, mms might have failed cause all phones are not mms compatible
- Vivek Puri
LOL! the way I tend to use twitter, it's nothing BUT comments and likes.. just not any good threading unless you have peoplebrowsr (and even then)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's not paused because Tweetdeck, etc. can refresh automatically. It has RTs instead of likes. I agree a client needs to implement inline YouTube/Flickr/etc. but these are client issues. FriendFeed client may be superior to Twitter's web client but there are other Twitter clients out there.
- Aral Balkan
Ooh, that said you can *edit* your stuff... oooh, now that I like :)
- Aral Balkan
no one uses the twitter website Robert. I actually like having a second client open to monitor things but that's me
- Seth Goldstein
Twitter doesn't have like but it has a favourite option. If spreading the word is the objective there is always an RT =D By the way, I have been using twitter website more since the new design rolled out.. feel snappier than before esp. when shuttling betw @mentions and home
- | Balu |
We're definitely intrigued by the convergence of the Friendfeed and Twitter (and new Facebook) UIs and the implications for usability and user conventions. First thoughts here: http://bit.ly/4muyzM
- CDG Interactive
@vivek, all phones did not introduce mms capability because the takup rate was abysmal! not all phones were SMS enabled when SMS came out!
- simran
@simran, SMS was made part of the GSM standard 24 years back. And current use of SMS is not what it was intended for. For more, you always have wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Vivek Puri
I am thinking that if know one uses the Twitter web interface then it's going to be a tough monetization unless they start charging a licensing fee for the API.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
But honestly...does it even really matter? After all having the best product has next to nothing to do with whether or not you have a dominant product in terms of marketshare.
- Devlin Dunsmore
I hope FriendFeed is not trying to be the next Twitter/Facebook and stays aware of it's core-feature which was (imho) a quick & dirty way of getting good discussions running.. I don't need real time updates of everything.. HEEEEEELP!
- Dan van Moll
looooooooooooooooooool Everyone is freaking out without toying with the lists I think!!! haha This is a funny day online.
- Aaron S
I wish Friendfeed had a "dislike" button too. (Not for this post, but others...)
- Kevin Trotman
... and this is what I like about Twitter.
- Benedikt Koehler
my thoughts - http://beta.friendfeed.com/dffrnt... :)
- vijay
Alec, I actually use Twitter.com itself and Tweetdeck. Alot of users do that too.
- Nicholas James
try wordster: http://www.mrwiggleslovesyou.com/rehab50...
- frank (francesco)
You mean it's not paused? ;)
- Joe Dawson
Yeah, seriously using the Twitter website for Twitter is like driving a car out of the factory with just wheels bolted to the engine, nothing else. The API is there but you're only getting the bare magic without the proper experience.
- Glenn Batuyong
But, I keep going back to the twitter web interface. It's a matter of critical mass of something something.
- Mike Nayyar
@vivek ... case in point... people transform technologies to be useful... they have done so with twitter, they will do so with ff... being part of the GSM spec means nothing... handsets had to support it and support for it grew after a lont time and bitwise... look at the practical uses, not theoretical papers, if you want to understand trending (as opposed to "possibility").
- simran
Q&A: LHC paranoia online - http://www.thestandard.com/news...
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From the Industry Standard: "Why do you think the paranoia about the LHC is so prevalent online? / [I think] it's becuase people mistrust anything they don't understand, and the conspiracy mindset is rampant in this country. People distrust science so much that they believe scientists would take a 1 in 100 chance of turning the Earth into a black hole just to test theories; that scientists aren't humans and don't care about the potential for a disaster to occur." "So what are the actual chances of a major catastrophe resulting from the LHC? / I think if you pull out ALL the stops, you get like - 1 in a trillion, but that's really pushing it. I think a more reasonable estimate was soemthing like 1 in 10^20."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
What are the chances of world destruction below which you don't have to get world population buy-in?
- Jason Carreira
One possible solution to the Fermi Paradox is that every high technology civilization somehow obliterates its base species before achieving interstellar travel. So the specifics of the LHC aside, there are reasonably terrifying odds that some group of scientists or researchers will somehow completely obliterate life on Earth at some point. High energy physics experiments seem as good a way to achieve Species Epic Fail as anything else.
- Rob Sterling
Also, geeks like memes. They jumped on the LHC catastrophe idea as a fun diversion. No different than Domo-kun or lolcats. Just a thought experiment with which to pass the time.
- Brent Newhall
FriendFeed, Twitter, Seesmic et al, are pointing in the direction of something. They aren't the destination.
Rishabh Mishra (p248), Nikpay, Michael Connick and 59 other people liked this
Totally agree with this.
- Dave Winer
I'm sure it will keep evolving. The Web in a few years will look very different.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
it takes a real smart brain to attain such a simple, yet true, conclusion. Hats off, sincerly!
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
We're crossing the swamp, hopping from platform to platform as they're built one hop ahead of us.
- Ken Sheppardson
I said "look very different"...the Web will sound and be experienced as very different in the future, involving all the senses and lots of interactivity.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
BTW, I'd add TechCrunch and TechMeme to that list as well.
- Dave Winer
Something needs to be the destination. That destination may change. Today it's FF for me. Tomorrow it could be something else.
- Steve Rubel
Are these Web 2.0 services instead pointing to the need for some future database, searchable, filterable, where we'll all go for info?
- Mark Dykeman
Well put. I'm wondering if FriendFeed will one day crawl the sites we share and flip a twist on search.
- Dan Kaplan
I think where our ideas live and co-mingle will get much richer. The shared space will wander in and out of different worlds much more easily. We've got Level 1 integration, made possible by first generation APIs. It's nice the way FF and Pownce handle Flickr for example. Nice the way FF understands YouTube. Just knowing that you can do more if you know more about the data is a big step. Twitter is unwilling to take that step. These other guys are willing to tiptoe up to and over the line. Lots more to do.
- Dave Winer
Ok I like Rubel's comment here a lot!!! Something needs to be the destination. How do we stop continuing to be dissatified with one app.. and at the same time continue to attack innovation??? Thats a bitch but damn I cant keep up with which kickass social app I am suppossed to using.
- Cody Heitschmidt
FF et al + us == awakening the internet.
- Internet's Tad
BTW, I doubt seriously whether Rex Hammock is even aware of this discussion. This is not a minor flaw.
- Dave Winer
Are these the beginnings of the Semantic Web?
- Prolific Programmer
Flaw with Rex Hammock or FriendFeed?
- Internet's Tad
@Cody, I'm just an everyday joeuser, but it's all good to me. I'm continually amazed at all of this. This from a guy who remembers B&W TV!
- Larry Huffman
Im sticking with the decentralization argument. I want to host my own Twitter/friend-feed, just like I do with Wordpress, MoveType. I want my own MYSQL database to control my own data, my own security, just like everything. This is where its all evolving, I think. Currently, the transmission is backwards. And no one gets any linkcred for anything.
- Andrew Baron
@Andrew, agreed. I want enterprise Twitter in lieu of pagers. On a team of 15 production engineers, that would be a big help towards endless reply-all emails.
- Larry Huffman
@Andrew you're on to something here. Web 2.0 2001-2006 we all built equity exclusively on our personal sites (mostly blogs). However around 06 something switched - we built equity on YouTube, Facebook, then Twitter and now Friendfeed. It might go full circle as people get fed up doing so.
- Steve Rubel
We're redefining (1) communities (2) friends-acquaintances (3) in-group out-group. In the wake of all the loneliness in the US nuclear-family-model, this is probably something people are crying out for... In the early days of public Internet 1991-1995, one very active group I followed was parents raising gifted kids. It was so hard for them to find a support-community.
- Mitchell Tsai
That's probably quite true, but then again, half the fun is the journey, right? :)
- Sawyer
Is there a destination? I hope not. Our tools change us even as we change them.
- Craig Thomler
Not a flaw with either Rex or FF.
- Dave Winer
Decentralization fixes #1: who owns the data (we own our own data), #2 scale issues Twitter is having - balanced load - P2P, #3 it protects the web from not being neutral - e.g. makes it more difficult for Verizon to allow ltd. access - #4 distributes server costs so its cheaper, #5 give developers and services more control over all.
- Andrew Baron
Verner Vinge's Rainbow's End provided a good description of where things might be heading. http://tinyurl.com/67nzgm
- Brad Collins
My feeling is it's not (just) the content, the real value is in your social graph - plus obviously the possibility to expand it; we're getting to a point where the specific service you're publishing on is becoming of secondary importance, while the real benefits lie in this cross-pollination of services. Facebook tried that by being - in a sense - a social OS with its apps, but in fact a 2.0 app can never be the OS. Internet can.
- dario
totally with Andrew. Someone talked about "information siloses" referring to 2.0 services - open APIs are taps to those siloses, but you don't own them, you can't control them, yet you host your lifestream on them. What if you *were* the owner of the silo?
- dario
@andrewbaron Personal portable version of what Tom Watson has done with http://tincorporated.com would be great, its an integrated lifestream with control over his assets, but still open to the web through those services APIs
- Roger Penguino
from fftogo
Andrew and Steve have good points. The initial Web 2.0 enabled self-publishing/ user generated content, but community was largely manual (via RSS readers, cross-linking, etc). The soc net revolution enabled mainstream community, but does not give us ownership. If we do go full circle -- and WordPress would be awesome for this btw -- we can self-publish, with community... and I think that's where Google Connect is going.
- Allen Fuller
@davewiner - I'm aware of the discussion. I think it's amazing and even love the part where people are suggesting I'm clueless.
- Rex Hammock
Robert uses cell phone from White House Briefing Room - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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What kind of camera are yo using for most of those?
- xero
@xero: I'll take a wild guess and say the Canon EOS 5D
- Jake (aka Jawee)
from twhirl
Thanks for sharing your experiences in DC... these blogs, comments, pictures, videos and interviews are really amazing!! I feel like I was able to go there vicariously through your visit
- Susan Beebe
Yeah, I'm using a Canon 5D. I uploaded 31 pictures last night to this set, really great week.
- Robert Scoble
RS -- did you have an opportunity to bring up your concerns about an Iran War with Pelosi or any other VIP?
- Sean McBride
Hey Robert - we'd be honored to have you speak at FOWA London in October. Interested?
- Ryan Carson
from Alert Thingy
Sean: No. My agenda was to learn about tech/business policy. It's pretty clear, though, that the current president is not going to be able to get anything done with this Congress, certainly if he tries to go to war he's going to get a LOT of resistance.
- Robert Scoble
Ryan: I'm interested, but October is pretty nutty for me. I'll work on my schedule this week, let's talk on, say, Monday afternoon?
- Robert Scoble
By the way, all my photos are donated to Public Domain, so if you want a shot of the White House, you can use mine without giving me credit.
- Robert Scoble
Scobles' for Prez !! .if he runs in 2018 will you elect him ? :)- pss. take a look at the first pic !
- Peter Dawson
Peter: yeah, look at that first photo: FriendFeed goes to the White House! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, great experience for you son, he will remember this always. What an awesome time in history for him to be able to experience this and see if from the inside. Thanks for sharing with FF.
- Fred Neil
This is good stuff Robert - Especially your comment about Public Domain. Have used one or two in the past. Agree, fabulous experience for your son. Did you say the Press Secretary is on Friendfeed now ?? :)
- Charlie Anzman
RS - just let me point out that if Bush, Cheney and the neocons do succeed in pushing an Iran War over the opposition of the American people, the effects on the high tech industry could be catastrophic -- these issues are intimately linked. A devasted American economy will directly impact high tech projects in a negative way.
- Sean McBride
Charlie: I'm trying to get Scott Stanzel onto FriendFeed. I think it'd be an awesome way for him to find a new PR job after he is sent back to normal life in January. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, when are you going to enter politics? I think you'd fare well, especially in San Francisco.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Rocky would tell those press where to put it (love that pic!)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
That'd be fab. Want to DM me your mobile number or IM? I'm ryancarson on Twitter.
- Ryan Carson
from Alert Thingy
Jesse: Scoble has some winning traits for a career in politics: bright, personable and focused on enlightened, creative capitalism. And, unlike John McCain, he actually has some experience with using a PC on the Internet. :)
- Sean McBride
These are fantastic! Now I'm going to have to subscribe to your feed again, Robert. ; ) Love the one of Rocky at the WWII memorial. Did you take that? Simply gorgeous.
- Carla Thompson
Carla, yeah, I shot that of Rocky. Thomas Hawk taught me to use a simple 50 mm fast lens and to appreciate the night light for getting great photos.
- Robert Scoble
Have a feeling many top bloggers just want to talk nowadays and not converse anymore. Comments come in dozens on their bogs without any replies from them, except when the comments are from other top bloggers. Robert Scoble is not on the list.
Kenichi Matsumoto, Phil G, Shey, Jamaican of FF and 16 other people liked this
Hmm you are nt on the list too. : ) Never mind them...
- Erhan Erdogan
Ah! Top bloggers, remember? :-)
- Palin Ningthoujam
Palin: Write us these names : ) Maybe they will come to converse then. ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Thanks. I've been participating in online communities since 1985 and I'm not about to stop. It's too much fun.
- Robert Scoble
There is a large contingent of bloggers who feel they are the conversation facilitators: as long as they get people discussing something, they can just sit back. I don't find those bloggers interesting. A lot of the conversational bloggers are actually right here in Friendfeed.
- Mark Trapp
Erhan: all you have to do is look at any of the big names here on FriendFeed and see how many comments they've left. Leo Laporte is one guy I see participating. The others? Very rarely. Most A list bloggers feel very threatened by FriendFeed, though. They see it as an attack on their business model (which requires you to refresh their pages a lot to get their advertisers to pay a few cents each time you do that).
- Robert Scoble
1985? Ah yes...the days of BBS & Compuserve
- Mark Krynsky
Come on Palin.... name some names!
- Stefan Hayden
Mark: yup, our computer user group in Silicon Valley had a popular BBS in one of the members' garages. We had about a dozen Hayes modems (very expensive back then) that ran at 9,600 bps. So fast! :-)
- Robert Scoble
If we're not having conversations on our blog, I consider it to be a failure. I often learn much more from our readers that they do from me. Without two-way dialogue, our blog would just be a bunch of pointless words.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Everything speeds up, we started with BBS threads, then blogs and replies and now twitter and friendfeed... I'm just waiting for my brain implant, bit scared of signing onto Scobles feed when that happens ;)
- Gerard van Schip
@scoble to your point I think that is why so many are clinging onto Twitter for dear life - they love to be able to bless their "followers" with the benefits of their wisdom but have little to no interest in really developing and advancing ideas
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
robert: you nailed it, and the main reason why decentralized dynamic commenting systems scare some folks so much even those that are able to integrate back into the original blog post w/out being seo disadvantaging
- mike "glemak" dunn
I've been involved in online communities since I got a 300 baud modem for my Atari 800 back in 1984. Business or no, there needs to be feedback from bloggers or the commenters are going to feel their comments are going into /dev/null. Feedback is always important.
- Michael Gaines
Could this just be a conversation correction similar to a market. If one thinks of early or big bloggers as mature companies who don't want to talk then the newer bloggers will be at an advantage by recognizing the value of talking to their readers. Fairly or unfairly, I would imagine continuing to respond to comments is likely VERY time consuming. Maybe people naturally tend toward command and control style as they get bigger and money is involved?
- Laurent Courtines
from twhirl
Tongue-in-cheek, but does anyone else see the irony that Palin started this thread and hasn't engaged since?
- Mark Trapp
@Mark good point! :D
- Michael Gaines
@Robert Their core readers are in FF too - OK. But I don't understand them why they can't learn the new web 2.0 economy. It is easy, and cheery expanding their markets and also growing their businesses with the additions of these core readers. FF is a good sandbox for the other potential web evangelists.(new users) Like you! You are always learning smtng from FF and also sharing them with your new fresh users too.
- Erhan Erdogan
Sorry Mark, was having dinner. Quite late out here. Time for sleep. But really liked the way we are conversing out here. What I have noticed is that on Friendfeed, there is no A list or B list (I think, so far, or is it?) and there is no 'my blog' or 'your blog' thing. This is the place where I have seen conversations happening, as different from 'commenting'. What say?
- Palin Ningthoujam
palin: agreed, its more about conversations than commenting
- mike "glemak" dunn
Stephan, Erhan: we can take any of the top blogs on technology, blogging, or marketing. You will know what I mean. I loved this thing Robert pointed out 'Most A list bloggers feel very threatened by FriendFeed'. The realization sets in me. 'Yes. That's true'.
- Palin Ningthoujam
Erhan: most "pro" bloggers are out there competing to find stories and get on TechMeme. Interact with their communities? Never. To be fair, though, I participate a lot over on TechCrunch and I see Arrington interacting with his commenters often.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble maybe I'm wrong here, but if "A"-list bloggers are only there to compete, then why not just be a journalist?
- Michael Gaines
@Robert Forget Arrington. He has a great aggregator named as TC comments and mails. He has great an intelligence office there. : ) But you are right some of "pro"BLOGGERS like Arrington using FF like toilet paper. ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Robert, one counterpoint: does it matter to the top blogs that they interact with their readers? The comments seem to be not declining, nor the readership. Or maybe I should ask this question like this: which is more important to a top blogger - engaging with their readers on the current post or finding the next story?
- Palin Ningthoujam
Choice #1. (a) Remain engaged, 'social'. (b) Broadcast only. Choice #2. If (a), then (c) limit/niche your channel, (d) sell your soul (integrity/authenticity), (e) clone yourself, or (f) hire/get volunteers to speak on your behalf. I can't see how anyone could be authentically 'social' with more than ?100? people and still have a life.
- Leif Hansen
@Leif Hansen - You're quite right. I'm sure Robert Scoble has no life outside FF... ;)
- Eric Hamilton
Blogging's definition has changed a lot I supposed. There is a 'pressure' to post now.
- Palin Ningthoujam
Let s gossip about Steve Rubel: http://friendfeed.com/e... : )
- Erhan Erdogan
@Erhan I have seen Steve very active on FriendFeed.
- Palin Ningthoujam
Robert's bored of this thread I suppose :-)
- Palin Ningthoujam
the most amazing Ignite presentation I've ever seen (5 min video re going to Afghanistan) http://is.gd/Bvc
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Wow, I love it. Ignite presentations, like TED, are such a blast of a person/org's pasion/core.
- Leif Hansen
Report: For everyone iPhone 3G sold, Apple is getting $325-$425 from AT&T - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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there is of course a typo in the headline which i fixed maybe 20 seconds after publishing - you get the point though :)
- MG Siegler
hey FF - anyway to re-ping posts to correct headlines, I know techmeme, some others do it?
- MG Siegler
@THErealDVORAK John, you're not feeding it enough.. I never hear @scobleizer complain about this! ;-) http://www.twinkleshots.com/index...
VERMOT-GAUCHY, Mathew A. Koeneker and Denis liked this
if Twitter ate a post of mine I'd just feed it another one. Heheh. @THErealDVORAK just reported losing a Tweet. Help him find it.
- Robert Scoble
It has been eating tweets right and left. I just tweet again. ;)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
If you see Twitter's database, can you please return it to them? Seems like they are missing it - http://status.twitter.com/
Igor The Troll יִצְחָק, Ashton, wheresthebox and 64 other people liked this
:))
- Shandiz
LOL
- K.D.
Reminds me of that line in Snatch when someone went missing,"Not like it's a set of car keys or pack of cigarettes. What do you mean it's missing?"
- Mark Forman
Where in the world is the Twitter database? Is there a reward for it's return?
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
@MM yeah the reward is good karma at Plurk :D
- Mark Forman
@Mark Indeed. Karma is good. I need good Karma.
- Michael McGimpsey
Plurk stole it.
- Mark Frost
usual-swap copy ready to go.
- marty nickel
from twhirl
twitter = killer concept, stinky execution
- marty nickel
from twhirl
I think I saw it floating down the street here in Minnesota. Oh Wait that was my server I'm being told. Hey wait come back here I didn't say you could float away server.
- David Newberger
from twhirl
OUCH!
- Susan Beebe
I think it might be over here? --> http://Twoorl.com
- Susan Beebe
Scoble, you're relentless. Not saying you're entirely wrong, but ease up on these guys already. ;)
- Greg
more like Plurk destroyed it and have a much better one.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
ROFL
- Mitchell Tsai
If they can keep track of their things, they don't deserve to have any. ;)
- Steven Van Tilburg
from twhirl
somebody pass the bong
- Duncan Riley
I think I saw it show up on Craigslist...
- felix
+1 Like for Duncan's comment
- Hutch Carpenter
giggles...somebody load the next cone "with the database"...giggles
- martin ollman
Could you describe the database, sir?
- Tim Hoeck
Tower? Rackmount? Blade? Dell? Hp? Sun? You gotta give us somthing to look for.
- Roberto Bonini
@martin so smoking hash tables is legal in California?
- Karim
Do a post on Twitter Whale Fail http://tinyurl.com/6nwaq3 Dead Fish Floating upside down in the water!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
pass them a bowl! or better yet tese them with one see if they get it done faster
- Charles Rice
from twhirl
Captain Ahab, there she blows! The Sinking Twitter Whale! Get you Harpoon ready and strike! I beg you Strike!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Oh! I just gave it to a kid to normalize it.. let me see if he is still around!
- Jigar Mehta
LOL
- Marcello Del Bono
Lets see.. 100th Normal Form???
- Roberto Bonini
Twitter's down? really? I'm shocked...
- Michael Gartenberg
talking about this last night: CMS system != messaging system
- anna sauce
FriendFeed is NOT taking off ... why? (I gave some reasons over on this blog post but wonder why we aren't seeing a LOT more FF activity?) - http://www.profy.com/2008...
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I've been showing FriendFeed to tons of people and most try it out for a few minutes and then leave. It's clear to me it's not really taking off the way, say, Twitter did. I am getting pretty consistent feedback from people who say they don't see the value in it -- I left my ideas of how to get FriendFeed participation to go to a new level on the post I linked to on this cluster here. How about you?
- Robert Scoble
no great desktop client; too complex, particularly compared to twitter; web ui sucks
- wlai
wlai: yeah, the desktop client is tough, because of the two-level commenting system here. But if they implemented XMPP that'd solve that pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
@wlai i'm using MySocial 24x7 Sidebar. a pretty good firefox extension, but still not as convenient as Twitter IM bot.
- Jansen Lu
Why hasn't FF added any new feeds in several weeks? There are plenty of sites they could add.
- Elliott Plack
Has Robert found a new toy? Is it Plurk? ZubHub or whatever? lol
- Aviv
I made FF my home page but still struggling with it. I could just about keep up with Twitter but on here I get to see what the friends of my friends say on a tricky to navigate webpage. It's too time consuming for people that have normal jobs (no Robert, you job is not an average normal job).
- Gerard van Schip
No, FF is THE toy for me right now. I just want to get other people in here and I'm getting a LOT of resistance when I sit down with people and watch what they want to do with it.
- Robert Scoble
I think all these social apps need beter interop
- Charles Rice
from twhirl
Cyvros: links work in Google Talk. Just convert them to URLs.
- Robert Scoble
Cyvros: mostly I want XMPP for listening to the system. Not for posting.
- Robert Scoble
The value in FF is the potential of personal relevance and engaging in discussions without feeling overwhelmed or lost. Threads with 30+ comments are becoming more common these days, and so are 50+ likes. The thing is, Robert, I think super-users such as yourself with 2000+ friends expose individual entries to... too many people. Some complain that FF is fragmenting the conversation. Quite the contrary - I think FF will need to find ways to fragment it even more as it grows.
- Aviv
from ffreader
Cyvros That's the part I don't get. FF seems quite intuitive to me -- whereas other tools don't. That's not to say some refinement is not in order, mind you.... I need to give this some more thought (i.e. WHY is FF intuitive to me?).
- Joanmarie
Robert, I actually like how Friend feed is right now and understand people's dislikes about it but I think it still has some potential that we will see in the coming months!!
- Paul
Aviv: if you read my feedback, being able to hide completely some users is very important. The fact that I am able to "leak" into every conversation here is a huge negative for many people.
- Robert Scoble
Aviv: not being able to control the noise (and the noisiest users) is a major reason why people get turned off when they first see FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I think part of the reason is that FF is billed as a lifestream aggregator - for people to combine their blogs, twitter, delicious, shared items, etc into one stream. But the average person doesn't have that many feeds that they need a lifestream aggregator to manage, in my opinion. Also, the desktop client thing that you guys have mentioned is important as well.
- Derrick Kwa
Well the obvious answer is that for people that aren't on Friendfeed the value isn't all that clear. I'm on Friendfeed and for me it's a tool. I don't like the aggregation aspects of it, but enjoy the discussions that float around. But the main issue with ANY aggregation service imo is that it lacks intent. To me it seems that unlike early-early adopters most people don't really have a need for a constant stream of unintentional shared content. Intentional personal sharing is much more valuable to them
- Alexander van Elsas
Paul: of course it has potential! Think about everything that's in the FriendFeed database that we can't yet pull out. Can I show you every item that has "n" likes? No. Can I show you every item that has "n" comments? No. Can I show you every item that has those things but with Robert Scoble hidden? No. So, YES there's HUGE potential locked up in the FF database that isn't yet available to us.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, we are very much aware that FF needs a lot more work (it's a young product), and that not everyone "gets" it right away. We are definitely working on making it more intuitive and approachable. That said, the blog post you linked two was written last month, and activity on FF has grown about 3x in that time :)
- Paul Buchheit
FF is very confusing - People who don't use many web2.0-sites can't profit from the unification of your web-presences. Using FF just for the coments is simply not appealing enough for the mainstream user.
- sdfx
Alex: You are right the intentional personal sharing is much more valuable to them but that makes it that much harder for the unintentional shared content. it makes FF just that more harder to understand. I know they are working on this little problem of FF, and I'm sure it will get fixed but I also know they will have to wait and see attitude!!
- Paul
Paul: awesome. I think the reason you are getting this feedback is cause you've built something that has huge value already, it's just frustrating for those of us who are being FriendFeed advocates because we don't have the right tools to convert other people into FriendFeed lovers too. For those who don't know who Paul Buchheit is, he's one of the co-founders of FriendFeed. I'm happy it's growing, but it could grow a lot faster if we had a few more tools to show people the value locked up in FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I use them both (Twitter and FriendFeed), and I actually see more and more people (among my friends) that use FF a lot more than before. I posted some little stuff that I wish FF to add (here: http://friendfeed.com/e...) but those are really simple changes compared to what you ask for Robert :-)
- Orli Yakuel
It's two things for me: 1, Twitter gives me all the info I have time to digest and 2, to make full use of FF I'll need to sub to all the people I'm linked to elsewhere. Did I mention time was an issue?
- Rod Nicolson
While the room feature is a step in the right direction, we need to be able to create filters, that are accessible easily and are nondestructive to the main page. Perhaps Like Gmail, we could see all of the stuff at once, or just one filter at a time. In this case I'd have one for tech luminaries that post a lot, and people I really know.
- Elliott Plack
FF is a great way of aggregating al my feeds, and I love it for that. If all my friends were on it rather than just Facebook, then they'd find out more about me, because I don't just post to Facebook. Why should they have to get a signon and subscribe to a dozen different services just because that's how I chose to publish my content?
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
What would be great desktop clients for FF? Thoughts?
- Prakash
Robert, I read your comment on the blog. Re #2 and #5 - I agree that tracking topics is especially important on FF. I personally don't want IM notifications and all that - I want a pure FF interface play. I played with some ideas a while ago, see http://ffapps.com/stickys... - it doesn't take into consideration min number of likes or anything like that, but this is how I personally think FF should approach the need for real-time tracking.
- Aviv
from ffreader
Robert, it's all because of the user base and the ease of use, I'm guessing. I use Plaxo more than FF. And really, use Twitter more than 10x more than either of them. Not just for making updates, but to get updates from others, headline relays, etc. I use BrightKite and sometimes Twitterfone or Jott when I'm sending an update on the go, but they have value for me precisely because they all feed Twitter. Pownce arguably outperforms Twitter in terms of flexibility and reliability, but who uses that much?
- mark zero (Jason)
@aviv, is this thing works? http://ffreader.com/ or just for you because you built it?
- Orli Yakuel
The comments by Cyndy Aleo-Carreira are pretty apt actually; it is actually irritating to see information repeated; i don't like the reordering either; and discussions stripped from the blogs onto itself is understandably annoying to several people.
- Parth Awasthi
Since it is a lifestreaming application I believe most people use FriendFeed as a secondary application to Twitter. Also I think it would do alot better if the FriendFeed-is-Clunky-on-Twhirl issue would be fixed. For example, half way through writing those two sentences Twhirl updated the FF stream and everything I typed was lost. I almost said screw it and just didn't comment, but...
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- william douglas watson
from twhirl
FF is my all-in-one Web 2.0 Solution and there are enough excellent desktop clients - FF is my new center to the world! ;-)
- Dieter Schwarz
from Alert Thingy
The complaints that FF is too complicated are perfectly valid for a lot of people. Something like FF is geared towards the early adopter, those already on a mutlitude of other services and are looking to pull it all together in to one melting pot with comments. Joe Public doesn't work, think or behave like this - many just want a simple messaging system which is why Twitter clicks and...
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- Colin Walker
Aviv, will be really glad to test it! Robert, take a look at this: http://ffreader.com/
- Orli Yakuel
Scoble: I've not built this, this is not Paul Bucheit. I just know that some of this is coming it has to because if it didn't this wouldn't grow. I also know that people will have there problems just like DIGG people didn't like Digg because it had it's own little problem and you see how many flock to be over there!!
- Paul
having fun rather than using social networking as a serious discussion tool. We need a change of mindset or to just accept that fact that different services will attract different people and ne'er the twain shall meet. A service has to identify its target audience and then fully understand it, providing those features that audience demands rather than trying to convince those outside of...
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- Colin Walker
Orli: I can't log into ffreader.com. I'm using Firefox 3.0 RC1.
- Robert Scoble
It's like I'm living in a bizarro universe here. FF is dead simple to me - and was right off the bat. You add services, you add friends and then watch and participate. Pretty easy to me. I also don't know why people bring up twitter all the time when talking about FF. I don't see them as remotely similar or in any kind of competition. They're two apps that have a similar "audience" but that's it. Two different purposes and needs fulfilled. I'm baffled by some of the responses here.
- Vince DeGeorge
Cyvros/fyc: I am sure they are going to fix the commenting problem. They probably hear about that everyday they check there emails or watch the FF scroll up and down. I also know that the fixed width is not so bad once you understand that it's to show a comment or a link!! I understand how frustrating it can be and can't wait for the changes that are inevitable because without Change there is no community!!
- Paul
Vince: Twitter and FriendFeed are joined at the hip for me. I see them as different things, too, but I'd like to see FriendFeed adopt a few of the things that Twitter showed the world first. IM integration for one. Track for two. SMS capability for three (er, and a mobile client).
- Robert Scoble
Vince: I say you've hit the nail on it's head with Twitter and FF, You can't possibly do this type of commenting and discussion with Twitter!! Twitter only allows 150 characters!!
- Paul
robert, FF is growing. it's growth in the past couple weeks is outstanding. you aren't going to get everyone to use it though. and you really should stop comparing it to twitter. because it's fundamentally different. twitter is a microblogging service. it's where we go to post things that are quick, easy, and brief. FF is a social media aggregation (and hopefully re-aggregation) service. they are both important tools and their growth should happen together. and that's happening. be patient and positive.
- Fred Wilson
FriendFeed needs a better commenting system ie Disqus. I have to confess I joined and then didn't use it for a while. Now I am totally hooked. I think some people try it and leave before they truly understand it. It's up to us to convince everyone to stay.
- Michael McGimpsey
@vdegeorge I totally agree. I found FF completely simple to set up. I just keep adding my feeds until I run out, and give people my FF URL. They don't even have to actually subscribe if they don't want to. It's perfect. Of course, Twitter updates go into it, so they don't need to go to Twitter to see them, or Facebook, or Flickr, or my blog. In fact, I'm not even that bothered about the conversation functionality, which does mess the homepage up a bit, I just want to publish my content so people can see it.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
This is in fact strange; I am not a twitter user, but I am a FriendFeed user. I really like FriendFeed far better then Twitter. And the community part here in FriendFeed is what makes me coming back and check out what is going on. Twitter has too much noise for me...
- Joao
Fred Wilson: patience? Patience? Heheh. Good point. We all want it and we want it now. I don't see where I'm comparing it to Twitter, although, to tell you the truth, if it added a few things it could get me to switch even more of my usage away from Twitter. Twitter is doing that on its own, though, by going down so often. I know FriendFeed wants to be different than Twitter, but it has enough similarities that it begs for a few more.
- Robert Scoble
Part of the thing with whether FF will take off mainstream or not is based on how people want to use it. I think the discussion thing that we're all into here is a mainly geeky tech-person thing to be into (and proud of it!) but my Mom isn't going to bother. However, if like me you're mainly bothered about your friends seeing your new Flickr photos even though they're not personally on Flickr, then it's got mainstream appeal. I mean, people don't even have to actually subscribe to FF to see my updates.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
Robert - you keep talking about how you need and like the noise. I guess some people prefer the signal...
- jeremy ettinghausen
jeremy: you missunderstand what I'm saying. It's pretty clear you aren't reading what I'm saying. +I+ don't mind the noise. I can deal quite well with FriendFeed how it is. That's not the point. The point is that I'm trying to get other people into FriendFeed. They DO NOT deal with noise as well as I do. They want far better tools to remove noise (remove Scoble is just one of those tools). I want more people here, to get even more noise, but to do that we've gotta have better tools. The tools are for THEM.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: That's a good point. The feeds are the signal (Flickr, Twitter etc) and the FF comments are the noise, as far as I'm concerned. However the comments are the feedback, so depending on your point of view, they're arguably more interesting to the originator.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
Fred Wilson: where in this thread did I compare FriendFeed to Twitter. I went back and reread everything I've written about this and I don't get why you are saying I'm doing that? Just because I want IM/XMPP? Is that a Twitter exclusive feature that no other "live web" service should have?
- Robert Scoble
Neil: to me comments (and likes, which are just really a different kind of comment) are the signal that the original post or tweet or photo, etc isn't noise and is worth paying attention to.
- Robert Scoble
robert, i am not talking about this thread, i, like many people, follow what you say and do. it's the entirety of your stance on FF and Twitter that I am talking about. but that's not really the point i am making. FF is an amazing service. so is Twitter. and i believe they are both going to get better and better, and easier and easier to use.
- Fred Wilson
I think a bare-bones FF platform might serve it better in the long-run, since it will undoubtedly result in a bunch of third-party products and add-ons that enhance (or even finally enable) the FF experience for specific audiences or purposes (meme-tracking, desktop photo browsers, etc.). Either way, I think right now we're not seeing much innovation from third-parties beyond basic FF...
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- Aviv
from ffreader
one of the lessons from Twitter and other services we invest in is if you let the activity happen outside of the web service (via the API and other things), you actually get more users back to the web service itself. so that's why I am so interested in getting these discussions pumped elsewhere, like my blog via disqus (when the discussion is about a blog post i wrote). if that happens, then FF becomes even more relevant, more important, more useful, and more used.
- Fred Wilson
Scoble: Which is a perfect illustration of my point - people want different things out of FF, and we all have our own terminology. For you "noise" means something different to me. Of course, comments on my own FF entries isn't noise, it's "feedback", and that's different :). Anyway, when it comes to "FF isn't taking off", I think it could be a target market issue. I'd say FF has more...
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- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
I'm going out on a limb here - the reason people don't understand FF is because no-one has really defined it yet. Egs: If I saw it for the first time and saw a thread with 50 replies, I'd think it was like a forum. If I only saw lists of feeds I could subscribe to, I'd see an aggregator or feedreader. Seeing an item rise to top when comments were left, I'd think it was like digg, etc. I'd want to know the implications and results of using it in order to be more interested.
- Paul Short
>>For you "noise" means something different to me. Here's a definition: NOISE: you talking about lunch. SIGNAL: me talking about lunch. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
>>so that's why I am so interested in getting these discussions pumped elsewhere, like my blog via disqus. Fred: I am totally in agreement here. It's one reason why I put the FriendFeed widget on my own blog (and am evaluating other schemes to integrate comments here and there).
- Robert Scoble
@Paul Short - good point. Is FF trying to be too many things to too many people and is this why it doesn't appeal? The information on the About page is minimal and, whilst it conveys what FF is about at its core level, the way the service moves on is determined by the way it is used. I have no doubt that FF would be a completely different animal if it were populated by a different set of people rather than the usual suspects we find here.
- Colin Walker
Colin: We agree. I still maintain it's a target audience issue. The people using it will make it what it is. This is exactly what happened to Twitter. It started as "answering one simple question: 'what are you doing?'" and turned into a messaging/communication system by virtue of the way people used it. The same will happen to FF over time. I'm using it in a totally different way to...
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- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
dying already? I thought it will get the necessary traction and kill socialthing before it gets launched.
- Palin Ningthoujam
Palin: I'm not using Socialthing, am I? :-)
- Robert Scoble
SocialThing is pretty much dead in the water anyway. Scaling back on services supported, too long in closed beta, not supporting the most popular web browser - all bad decisions which caused it to get left behind.
- Colin Walker
As compared to Twitter, I get to see more meaningful conversations here in FF (no word limit.. yay!). It's more difficult to follow conversations in Twitter too even with those 3rd party tools like: Quotably etc, and I think I get to socialise with more people on FF. But I agree that it's difficult to sell the concept of FF to friends.. It's either you get it, or not.
- Winston Teo
@Winston, there is a word limit it's just significantly higher that's all.
- Colin Walker
@scoble: In http://secondbrain.com we have a different approach to aggregation.We organize all the content into personal content libraries where it can be browsed by tags and remixed into collections among other things.
- Lars Teigen
@Scoble - I *totally* agree with you. FriendFeed adoption rate is impacted by lack of end-user tools to manage the frenzy of information aggregated in FF. For example, when I scrolled down to "catch up" this morning, I was notice this 1 post had over 97 comments! Holy crap that's way too much information. *Sigh*. This application is geared towards users that have a high capacity for information and can navigate a complex weave of conversations, posts, photos, blogs & other social media widget outputs!
- Susan Beebe
I think FF only starts making sense once you get a nice, active network of friends. It's the conversation that makes FF interesting to me. Without it I might not be here.
- Benjamin Golub
Susan: You're totally right, unless it's not the comments you want. If you just want to use FF as a content aggregation tool though, you lose the "noise" that is the comments.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
The Comments is my *favorite* feature! but this is where most users would give me the deer-in-the-headlights look and close the application
- Susan Beebe
Susan: Which goes back to my point (buried in the previous comments :)) that it depends on what people want it for. People who glaze over at the comments might not want it for that.
- Neil Barnwell
from twhirl
In my opinion, FF needs to focus on the Feed. Think of the current web UI as a "default" presentation of the Feed that underlies it. This means, make the API the most capable API possible; even at the expense of the UI. Things like import, integration, automatic creation of Imaginary Friends, etc. *Other* people will innovate on the UI, if the API is at least as capable as friendfeed.com is. When I import a new service, I would like to carry my network of friends from that service into FF, creating...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
...Imaginary Friends as necessary, to keep my network complete. Give me the ability to merge Imaginary Friends, so I can manually make the connections across networks. Give me two-way participation from FF back to all those other networks, and I will use FF as my client for everything. ...just my 2¢... :)
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Neil - true. Need a way to "hide" comments as well perhaps for those users who don't want to see them. I will *not* be in that use case! ;-)
- Susan Beebe
At the risk of repeating: I think that FriendFeed is one of those tools designed for Mavens, Connectors, and Salespeople (i.e. Tipping Point concepts). Gather and discuss info, form opinions and ideas, crystallize thinking. Is it the best tool for broadcasting back out to the world? Don't know, maybe that's where Twitter/Pownce/Jaiku belong.
- Mark Dykeman
@Paul B It was written last month, but the increase in traffic over that month has made the points I made in my post even more obvious. More activity doesn't fix the problems; it only makes them more apparent. It's the main reason why I don't follow Robert, but pick him up on occasion as FOAF. He shares something. Then odds are Louis shares it, or Duncan shares it. Then Corvida shares it and Diggs it. Sarah Perez shares it. Then maybe Steven Hodson shares it.
- Cyndy
taking off with early early adopters or early adopters? This seems a tad premature. Twitter is 2 years old...it didn't take off until..what.. a year into it? year and a half? a month ago?
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana Twitter is 2 years old, uses a much less "early adopter" mentality for its premise (messaging vs. aggregating), and, well, isn't doing so hot at the limited amount of "taking off" that it's doing.
- Cyndy
Is it just me is or are aggregators like FF not going far enough in aggregating? I want to comment to a blog post fed here and have the comment go back on the blog. I want to frigging import my twitter followers/ees into friendfeed without manually creating an imaginary friend for each one that isn't on FF yet. I want to go to one place and not have to worry that i'm missing some part of a conversation. FF is aggregating, it's more of a window on different pieces of different fractured conversations.
- S. Charles Balazs
Being in the minority (e.g. not in the Internet / Web industries or one who's presence is across a multitude of services), I came to FF due to the aggregation aspect. I don't have much to aggregate (I only have three services connected), but I totally grooved on the commenting and interaction aspect of the service. I found FF to be quite intuitive and the sharing of so many "tidbits"...
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- JA Castillo
@Bwana - I was just thinking the same thing. @Robert - Not taking off the way Twitter did? Twitter really just hit its inflection point in March of this year. Let's look at where Twitter was at this time in its life to get an apples-to-apples comparison.
- Hutch Carpenter
Clay Shirky nails it in the WSJ: "It’s almost universally the case with social software that the software that launches with the fewest features is the stuff that takes off...nobody wants a door with 37 handles. Twitter has six features, and it launched with only one. A brutally simple mental model of the software that’s shared by all users turns out to be a better predictor of adoption...than a completely crazy collection of features that ends up being slightly different for every user."
- Michael Nielsen
Michael- but by that logic FriendFeed should be huge and Facebook should've flopped...
- Mike
wow this entry has ganied a lot of comments- 90++ , a harvest of users thoughts for FF :)-
- Peter Dawson
Have to agree with Hutch. It took Twitter a year to get beyond the techies and early adopters. A couple of weeks in the bigger spotlight doesn't determine whether FriendFeed will make it or break it. Give it a chance. I'm placing my chips on it.
- Robert Sanzalone
Reasons -- too much info flowing in; hard to figure out. Twitter is about as basic as it gets. The Ipod of IM.
- Charles Barthold
Mike - Everyone I know described Facebook the same way early on: "It's a way of connecting and keeping up with your friends". I've never heard two people give the same explanation for FF. "It's like Twitter, but with longer tweets". "It's like Twitter, but with other stuff." "No, it's an aggregator for information!" There's no shared mental model, and so the network effects are much weaker than Facebook.
- Michael Nielsen
FF's complexity (which is really elegant simplicity to those who get it) is its greatest asset. FF exposes the Z axis in an otherwise XY web. If that were represented visually on FF (as a toggle?), more noobs would adopt - more topics would appear, more friends, more feeds, more goodness.
- Noah Carter
FF doesn't seem complex to me, but it does take a bit of time at first to see what one can get out of it. FF seems to be different things to different people - but that's one of the things I like about it. It's useful in more than one way. Aside from the echo effect, the posted link doesn't seem to have much in the way of good criticism. People keep complaining about noise; that's what the hide feature is for.
- Tanath
I fully admit that I tried out FriendFeed for a day and quit. It initially wasn't easy for me to pick it up. But, I kept hearing about it on Twitter and gave it another try. I now use FriendFeed much more than Twitter.
- Patrick
The thing with Twitter is that peeps can just post and answer any echoes back, it's low intensity. FF however, requires the user to be a bit more ballsy, if you like. To get the most out of it, you have to be prepared to chime in, post and have a debate or convo with a multitude of people you've almost never met. The two are very different.
- Sally Church
I like Sally's thinking. I've often thought Twitter is for all people comfortable with chatting/instant messaging. Friendfeed seems geared more towards the type of people who'd post in forums or leave comments on blogs (a smaller group). However, I don't really have a sense for what % of FriendFeed users are voyeurs or what its potential is with people who'd like to view it all (even the conversation threads) without participating.
- Robert Seidman
@Parth Thank you, and I agree. Love that it's generated 100 comments, though. ;) @Mark Dykeman I think you have the core demographic nailed there. @Robert I love forums, but forums are WAY more organized and have nowhere near the duplication as FF does.
- Cyndy
Feature request - Place a # next to each comment so I can refer back to # x comment above. This is a standard feature on many blogs' comments. This post with over 100 comments in reply is a perfect use case to justify this feature!!
- Susan Beebe
Susan: that's called anchors :) http://www.w3.org/TR...
- directeur
Main reason I use it: condensing all my feeds into one spot, both those I read and those I produce. Main gripe: no way to quickly highlight what I haven't seen.
- xero
Another feature request - Let me subscript my friend's tweet only(not including flickr etc). This can be done by `Imaginary friend` but it would be more useful with one-click feature.
- satoko
Why isn't Jaiku discussed much as a serious Twitter competitor? I just took another look and I hate the UI. Plus it's ssslllooowwww.
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FriendFeed is so much better it isn't funny. Discuss Jaiku here. I'll post more of my thoughts shortly. UPDATE: @patphelan says it's about people, not UI. I don't agree totally. Yes, if everyone were over on Jaiku I'd probably put up with the ugly UI, but there's a reason why they didn't move and we're moving to FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
anyone have an invite?
- Brooks Bayne
I tried Jaiku for all of 5 minutes. It was just clunky as hell, really slow (like you mentioned) and there was nobody there that interested me.
- Zach Flauaus
@ismaild says that Jaiku is not a Twitter competitor. I disagree. The usage model is very similar to Twitter and, for that matter, FriendFeed. Now it's not a very good competitor, that's true, but it is a competitor.
- Robert Scoble
It's still closed to new registrations. I wonder if Google is working on scaling the databases or if they've simply placed it on ice for awhile?
- Dusty Dean
i think friendfeed beats out jaiku because of the spartan interface and because friendfeed is like the only web 2.0 not in freaking beta.
- Tyler Gillies
Responding to @paulfabretti on Twitter. FriendFeed has far better groupings and far better search engine and far faster response time.
- Robert Scoble
Dusty: I'll try to find out what Google's plans are for Jaiku tomorrow at the Google Developer Conference.
- Robert Scoble
seriously and this will sound strange, its a geek hangout, I am clever than you syndrome, I know more about Nokia than you, used it at the start and love it but then a few hotshots came in and now they rule
- Patphelan
Jaiku have missed the boat. Twitter and FriendFeed have blitzed the competition.
- Michael McGimpsey
Jaiku is still in closed beta, nobody will use it if they can't get an invite.
- Graeme Shaw
Graeme: even if they let everyone in nobody would use it. FriendFeed kicks its behind.
- Robert Scoble
Pownce is awfully slow, too. Is there something fundamentally flawed about the numberless database queries that these services do?
- Dusty Dean
@all try meemi.com in the next days we release our API and Widget. For now not is possible that an user include "other feed" but this is the next feature. In the next time we share the our thread on other platform so every bloggers have a centralized platform for comment (like disq.us) ... we introduce the video and audio post so we have many type than tumblr ;) ... try we waiting feedbak :)
- Capobecchino (Enrico)
Twitter v Jaiku is horses for courses. Twitter is like a cacophony of cell phone users chatting on a public bus. Jaiku is threaded truly machine-aware. Its mobile client runs snappily quick among our workgroup, showing the city name of people and their availability. But if you don't have friends on Jaiku, it probably seems boring, or even too European. As Jyri could tell you during the GDC, there are distributed nodes on the GAE that Jaiku could use to great effect. Time will tell.
- Bernie Goldbach
Because it's still closed too..
- Xavier Moisant
from twhirl
if it is no good, why Google bought it?
- Jansen Lu
remember that twitter is txt while jaiku is the phone. combine with android. think again.
- kosmar
Can you still sign up for Jaiku if you're invited? Or, is it closed to all new registrations regardless of invites?
- Dusty Dean
I love the speed of FriendFeed's comments/likes/edits... I worked with some Social aggregation companies, and they were all kind of blah... Spock looked good extracting pictures and keywords from pages, but FriendFeed grabbed my attention by extracting the feeds. Wow! Just my guess, but the FriendFeed engineers are probably way better than the Twitter guys. Good programmers and designers making sharp choices.
- Mitchell Tsai
Hey Robert, it was me who prompted you to discuss this (via email). I like Jaiku, but yes it does look like Friendfeed is massively quicker. Something I hadn't considered before...
- Ben Gracewood
Jaiku didn't build the community strategically, by courting/wooing the people w/ the biggest social graph. We migrate to where our friends are. Where's their community evangelist? I attend many podcamps/blog/social media events, never seen them there. Not even signage. You have to be IN community to create one.
- annie heckenberger
To get the true T vs. J comparison, you need to run m.twitter.com on a cell phone against the Jaiku client on a cell phone. You need to have smart friends in both settings. Then land in a foreign place and ask your mobile client a question. If you have smart friends in both use cases, you'll have a meaningful shoot-out. If all your posse hangs out in one kingdom, you've already made your microblogging choice.
- Bernie Goldbach
and you need invitation.....
- Laurentiu
Bernie, could you explain that node system quickly?
- Fredrik Nordmoen
Who needs an invite?
- Raanan Avidor
I just signed into my Jaiku account (forgot I had one) and I don't follow anybody. Why? Because it's boring. FriendFeed and Twitter have all the talk going on.
- Zach Flauaus
I suppose I need to properly use it before I launch a barrage of criticisms.
- Dusty Dean
you can't check friendfeed from twitter, but you can check twitter from friendfeed
- Tyler Gillies
i need invite please
- Tyler Gillies
Jaiku is being remodelled to work on app engine and was showed of as part of the app engine announcements, also a UI cleanup?
- Mike Scott
It's amazing how much an easy and fast sign up process will attract new users. I had a friend this evening who was only moderately interested in Twitter take the plunge because the sign up was such a snap.
- Dusty Dean
OK, two huge things missing from Friendfeed are SMS and IM integration
- Ben Gracewood
I've always prefered Jaiku, I liked the extra functionality it had that Friendfeed has now implemented, but it was like being in a fun fair on your own, great for a while, but ultimately quite dull with no-one to share it with.
- Stuart Grimshaw
I don't see any differenc abotu what we are doing here than we would on Jaiku. Different UI siure (although you might argue that Jaiku layout was the insipiration for Apple's threaded SMS conversations on the iPhone!). There is equal access to a wide variety of content that users bring into FF/Jaiku (blogs, feeds, flickr etc.) and can discuss each. Furthermore, Jaiku has a fantastic mobile app. FF doesn't even have a mobile site!
- Paul Fabretti
People will use any platform if it works and 'feels right.' For me, Jaiku feels all wrong.
- Jim Connolly
email for invite is tjgillies@gmail.com and as far as mobile integration for FF isn't there fftogo.com?
- Tyler Gillies
To sum up my thoughts. Jaiku = closed, then they won't have the same amount of users as Twitter and/or FF. In the end it's the number of users who decides, I'm not going to join a social-friend-something when all my friends are using another service.
- Fredrik Nordmoen
Paul: I use FF all the time from my iPhone and Nokia phones. Works just fine and I like it better than trying to load some software on my phone.
- Robert Scoble
I'm in Jaiku also and while I like some of it, FriendFeed+Twitter is generally much nicer combination of tools for conversation.
- Daniel Schildt
I don't know if anyone has noticed but Facebook has added several more services to their 'Import' feature on the mini-feed. It goes beyond Digg, Flickr, and Picasa now to a few more services. It's something they should have done a long time ago and they are still not utilizing all of the possible services out there.
- Dusty Dean
used to use jaiku more than twitter but jaiku was always bogging down, and didn't have a mobile friendly site [dunno if they already have 1 now], i liked that you could feed it stuff like rss from your blogs or flickr streams etc. but in the end i just fed twitter to jaiku.
- Vincent B Castro
FriendFeed is so fast and you can pull in feeds from all over. It seems like such a winning model at the moment. I'm impressed at how fast my Twitter updates appear on FF as it seems like it's real time.
- Dusty Dean
@Fredrik Nordmoen On my Nokia S60 edition phones, Jaiku knows where it is located in the world. So when I walked Copenhagen, Jaiku showed me the name of the borough where it was connected to the 3G network. In Ireland, Jaiku tells people the name of the nearest city when my phone attaches itself to a nearby cell mast. When I am using my phone for some data tasks, Jaiku shows me as a green dot. When I change my phone's profile to a silent one, Jaiku shows me as a red (unavailable) dot. This is handy for me,
- Bernie Goldbach
@Robert fair point, although having used Jaiku since "the early days", mobile browsing has come on somewhat! iPhone being the case in point!
- Paul Fabretti
I don't find Pownce to be slow at all and it's more functional than Jaiku.
- Amit Morson
@Bernie I didn't know that about Jaiku. That's really impressive. Twitter seems so lightweight and heavily dependent upon the API developers for innovation.
- Dusty Dean
It should really be Jaiku v. Friendfeed, not Jaiku v. Twitter.
- Rubin Sfadj
The size and speed of this discussion thread has just made me a convert from Jaiku to Friendfeed. Seriously.
- Ben Gracewood
anyone have any invites for jaiku? :)
- Tyler Gillies
@Rubin. I think you have something there, although let me throw this in from October last year http://blendingthemix.com/2007...
- Paul Fabretti
need jaiku invite? go here to grab: http://kosmar.de/archive...
- kosmar
@Ben I agree. It's converting me as well. I had signed up for FF and Social Thing awhile back but had neglected them.
- Dusty Dean
Let's start a mass migration over to Pownce (just to check if they go down too on mass usage)
- Tapio Liller
@Bernie Goldbach, that was actually pretty nice. But I misread your previous post and thought there were no friends in Jaiku, but dependent on your location...
- Fredrik Nordmoen
i have an account on jaiku, but never found it useful because no one i know uses it. so i am still not too familiar with it. when i'm honest, i don't like the UI of friendfeed. i know I'm biased since i work on lifestream.fm, but at the moment, i do believe that none of these lifestreaming services are optimal. we are working to make lifestream what the users want. i have a nice list of what users want, but in the end, i still think most want something clean, simple, useful, and will ultimately use what..
- Jodi Church
friendfeed is the new jaiku now it has channels/rooms
- Adrian
..their contacts will use. i don't really think in terms of twitter vs. friendfeed or jaiku vs friendfeed. i prefer to use twitter to communicate. and services like freindfeed are aggregation tools to me with the potential to be more like twitter and beyond.
- Jodi Church
@kosmar, thnx for the invite
- Tyler Gillies
pownce is really great for sharing and community. lately it has technical problems as well. but i am beginning to think the entire web is broken. it seems all sites i like to use are having technical problems.
- Jodi Church
@jodi - agreed. Jaiku=better, but "no" users, Twitter=no features, no realiability, but 1 million users! @Adrian agreed. Could spell the end for Jaiku, although I think Google did that! Methinks they only have it for the mobile client to be used in Adroid!
- Paul Fabretti
Ditto bernie on the phone integration stuff. Jaiku Nokia integration is absolutely incredible and has to be used to be believed. If someone (hellloooo Friendfeed) can do something similar with the iPhone SDK, it will be a killer app.
- Ben Gracewood
i have 20 invites to jaiku if anyone really wants to try it out
- Jodi Church
Jaiku includes a lot of stuff that neither Twitter nor FriendFeed have, principally around mobile phone. Try using it on a Nokia S60, with the client, and you get location awareness - something that's going to be enormous over the next few years. However, I'm sad to say (because I love Jaiku) that I don't think Google will make much of it: according to rumour, apart from its port to Google AppEngine, it's now maintained as a "20% time" project. However, "Jaiku 2.0" may appear, as a feature of Android.
- Ian Betteridge
i just want to use jaiku so i have something else to feed friendfeed.
- Tyler Gillies
Jaiku may not have been quick enough in building the communities that Twitter and and FF have, but as I've said before what happens if it ships as the default Android address book - http://www.jonathanmulholland.com/2008... ? Would Google Jaiku care about failing to capture the early adopter crowd if they take lifestreaming mass market via Jaiku-Android integration?
- Jon Mulholland
Not a fair comparison, Robert. Jaiku has lain fallow since Google bought them. No improvements since then, closed to invite only. It's essentially a dead service. A year ago, when I left Twitter for Jaiku, Jaiku was way ahead. Since then, Twitter has gone nowhere, Jaiku was sold, and Pownce and FF have arisen, and I'm back on Twitter, arguably the least well designed and certainly the least reliable, but ultimately that's where the community is and that's all that matters.
- Leo Laporte
@Leo, welcome to the discussion
- Tyler Gillies
Leo, check out the response to Robert's comment though. I'd argue that the community is rapidly heading to Friendfeed. I always loved Jaiku's discussion threads attached to each post. Friendfeed has this, and is an order of magnitude faster than Jaiku.
- Ben Gracewood
I don't think FF is quite right, either. It's too scattered to feel like a community. A post like this becomes a discussion, but then it's lost in a tsunami of other content. There's way too much going on on FF to feel like a community. That's part of why Twitter works: it's all there in that timeline. (For better or worse). For example, to find this post to comment again I had to go to Twitter. You're promoting it on Twitter. Why? Because that's the best way to find it! What's FF minus Twitter?
- Leo Laporte
It's all about the community and the ease of service. Those are key. Twitter's features aren't heavily promoted or easy to understand when you're a new user. It took me several weeks before I discovered the track feature via IM. Truly, it's amazing that Twitter is still growing. It seems that the 'Twitter is down' image with the whale being carried by birds is becoming more of a running joke than something for us to get angry about anymore. We don't have ads (unless you're in Japan).
- Dusty Dean
google did a nice job of buying a couch cushion here. i hope that changes with android.
- MG Siegler
@Leo, I like the flash mob style of gathering for discussion and then disappearing into the "tsunami of content" it breaks the mold. its new and exciting
- Tyler Gillies
In a way Twitter encompasses everything that is strange and unreasonable about the new 'web 2.0' explosion. It hasn't established a solid ad model (unless in you're in Japan), continues to have VC money tossed at it, cannot scale properly,and continues to offer everything for free and asking nothing of its users in return.
- Dusty Dean
Microsoft has shown that they are not afraid to pull out their pocketbook and spend some dough acquiring services. Do you think they may have their sights set on Twitter just for the eyeballs?
- Dusty Dean
@Leo You gotta be where the people are at.
- Michael McGimpsey
Using this FF comments page reminds me of the old HTML chat days where you had to constantly refresh to see new message.
- Dusty Dean
@MG Siegler - agreed!
- Jon Mulholland
@Dusty If Microsoft got their hands on Twitter then that would be a reason to go to Jaiku
- Michael McGimpsey
I totally agree with Leo. Jaiku was seen as a Twitter competitor at first, and lost b/c people like to think that "less is more"; then it was bought out and frozen by Google. Now Friendfeed does the exact same thing, and it's hugely popular not b/c of its UI. It's b/c it's seen as a companion, not a competitor to Twitter. Jaiku never got that chance (or never tried to surf that wave).
- Rubin Sfadj
It can't be considered competition to Twitter unless it has SMS. Right now I believe Jaiku is the only one that fits that criteria. SMS is what makes Twitter in many ways - being able to update anywhere.
- Jesse Stay
honestly i didn't really start using twitter until i started using friendfeed
- Tyler Gillies
i also agree with Leo about FF being too scattered to feel like a community. i think the community (or communities) are still mostly on the services that re being fed into friendfeed. this is not a bad thing at all. but the ability to have some discussion on here is a great option.
- Jodi Church
Wow Friendfeed needs to do some UI work on long comment threads. Scrolling up and down to enter comments is lame.
- Ben Gracewood
Competitors or not both are community services. And the key of a community service is the community. UI responsiveness is important, but to a lesser extent. Take the example of MySpace, slow, ugly UI, but it has/had success. If Friendfeed were simply cool & quick, but nobody replied to your messages, would you still post here Scoble?
- funkyboy
Whats wrong with the UI Robert? Its a decent UI. And your initial argument over a year ago was that Jaiku was too complicated and you prefered the simplicity of Twitter. What has changed for you to now love FriendFeed? Because it is doing *nothing* new and a whole lot less than Jaiku did. Channels? Yep. Hiding feeds? Yep. Threaded conversations? Yep. And then there was the killer S60 integration. But alas, the service is dead now. Look for the reincarnation in Android.
- Jamie
"although you might argue that Jaiku layout was the insipiration for Apple's threaded SMS conversations on the iPhone!" - I think you will find iChat (2003) was the inspiration for the SMS UI on the iPhone.
- Jamie
@Jamie and regarding UI: how do you like the awesome Friendfeed UI? Scroll to the top of this page to hit "comment". LOL
- Ben Gracewood
@nzben I get the comment link just below the original post. Not ideal from a UI POV, but not terrible
- James Marwood
Does it stay up though? Can u tell I am twit-jaded?
- Kamath (नमः)
from twhirl
I need an invite for jaiku. My email address is codesurgeon AT gmail DOT com
- Mustafa K. Isik
i think the problem is that friendfeed didn't think that this many people would comment on a single 2 line message
- Tyler Gillies
the third screen is the battlefield.
- kosmar
Have 20 invites for Jaiku if anybody is interested - I only use Jaiku for my Danish followers - Otherwise I only use FF or Twitter.
- Christian Bogh
Let's wait until the guys at Google release a new version and see how it will integrate with other Google services
- João Almeida
from twhirl
I think Jaiku will be integrated in Google Reader soon.
- Svartling
I'd love a Jaiku invite if anybody has one.
- David Owens
To everyone Looking for a Jaiku Invite go visit http://JaikuInvites.com
- Ciaran Rooney
Jaiku in GReader seems a pretty neat idea
- João Almeida
from twhirl
I don't like all the feeds that I have to manually unsubscribe to one-by-one on Jaiku. It's all a bit to much in one place.
- Jamie Clark
Jaiku is simply not open to the public - if they don´t open up soon, they will loose the race anyway!
- Dieter Schwarz
from twhirl
I prefer the interface of Jaiku to Twitter. The problem is that Jaiku has no audience. Jaiku is like a nice looking bar that none of my friends patronize. It still looks like a nice place, but not much fun happens there.
- Phil Yanov
I think the reason is... SXSW. Hype. The fact that it has become the verb for the microblogging movement. I'm trying to get a jaiku invite, maybe it not being open yet has something to do with it.
- Evan Travers
@Phil, good analogy
- Tyler Gillies
Maybe it's a European dimension but I can update both Jaiku and Twitter via SMS. I get my Jaiku flow through text updates, something Twitter cannot provide so I'm stuck missing conversations during episodes of missing histories. Like an absent-minded bar maid, Twitter is there when I saunter by. But in the meantime, I've got dozens of friends, real and virtual, on Jaiku who converse in a threaded way. That's helpful for me, but I can see where some people want the craic of the A-List noise on Twitter.
- Bernie Goldbach
Jaiku isn't a Twitter competitor. Twitter strives to be a microblog *only*. Jaiku wants to be much more than that - and, frankly, doesn't deliver. It doesn't like the feed of one of my blogs (and f-yeah, using Feedburner!), the comment system is not as developed as FriendFeed...Pownce IMHO is a better microblogging-plus-some-lifestreaming solution... but hey Bret and Paul, add some microblogging features to FriendFeed!
- Cesar Cardoso
I prefer Jaiku to Twitter in every way but one. The people I want to follow are on Twitter. So there you go.
- CJ
I you want to beat the friendly UI with the sickly back end... you can't have a sickly UI AND a sickly back end.
- Nancy Babyak
Pounce is interesting but seems to attract a much younger crowd then twitter. It does have an import friend feature, first 100, and while everyone I followed on twitter was there, only about 5% had actually posted. Pounce does show your age by default. I felt old, but then found the area to hide your profile. I still like twitter the best. Twitter makes me feel more comfortable for some reason.
- Maxine Appleby
from Alert Thingy
FF has some serious work to do re: commenting. It's functionally broken with this many comments. Essentially it's the Fun Wall on Facebook.
- Rick Powell
Since Jaiku is closed to invites and FriendFeed is open and still has only a % of the users of Twitter, it seems that the answer is obvious as most say. It isn't about technology but people. I'd rather meet all my friends at a dive than try to look cool at a members only club most days. I'd agree with Leo that Twitter/Friendfeed together makes the most sense.
- Jay Gilmore
I've been waiting for an invite for months, that might have something to do with it.
- Cyndy
someone above mentioned it already but with so many comments, it's worth repeating - for jaiku invites, see http://JaikuInvites.com. I got my invite within an hour of my request.
- acedanger
jaiku reminds me of a basterdized version of twitter and friendfeed
- Greg North
I have a few invites. Add me to your Friendfeed (I'll add you in return) and let me know how to get that invite to you.
- Mike Lewis
Just to remind everyone the Jaiku was around BEFORE twitter and long before friendfeed, It has the best feature set and the best mobile access. Twitter and FriendFeed are all about the people A-listers like Scoble. Jaiku is about real community not noise.
- Ciaran Rooney
@scoble : I don't find it that slow or ugly, maybe a little bit confusing and not as simple as twitter but it does the job
- directeur
In my experience, Jaiku has not been slow. I use its mobile interface when I'm outside if Twitter is down.
- Morton Fox
@acedanger: Thanks for posting that link. Was wondering when someone was going to do it (I was about to!). :)
- Cheryl Jones
Jaiku is a bit harder to get into as far as finding interesting conversations, which is bad for the typical impatient Net users (many of which I've seen in this thread). But it rewards patient users who find interesting people to follow. I feel like the presence of conversation threads makes interaction a lot more fulfilling. This is also why FriendFeed is good, because of threaded conversations.
- Cheryl Jones
Who needs Jaiku when you have FriendFeed?
- Thomas Hawk
Jaiku may be slow, but not as slow as Pownce!
- Mack D. Male
Jaiku's problem is that it's most powerful feature is limited to Nokia phones. Everyone doesn't have a Nokia, therefore it gets missed. I've also said that Jaiku's implementation of comments is not as seamless as FriendFeed's. It requires an extra page load/extra step, where it's MUCH easier to join the conversation in FriendFeed. And finally, the community. Jaiku's community is not is vibrant as Twitter or FriendFeed. That is the biggest issue in my opinion.
- Bwana ☠
Personally I really like Jaiku - albeit it's similar to Friendfeed. I like the fact that Google is running it - so i expect support would be far better than FF or Twitter. It has sms which is lacking FF (and twitter doesn't work on my current phone, support is non-existant). I also like their rooms better since they have a better directory listing and it's more reminiscent of the irc for me. The thing that's lacking is the community, btw i'm pbrush on jaiku.
- Doug Brooks
none of my friends are on Twitter, Jaiku, FF, so for me the all suck as social networks. I use Twitter for status sync with Pulse (my business contacts are on there) and Hyves (my friends are there). Jaiku Pownce Numpa (dutch) aren't interesting to me. I use FF to subscribe to people like Robert and use it as a sort of Feed reader, but instead for blogs it's for people...
- Mark Jenniskens
What this conversation needs is a greasemonkey script that does a few search and replace manoeuvres: .replace('Twitter', 'Ford').replace('Jaiku', 'Chevy').replace('Google', 'GM').replace('FF', 'Ford Fiesta');
- Micah Wittman
If you don't like the look - just change it ;) I've just started work on a stylish extension for it and it's easy to strip out the bits you don't like. Besides, I'm more often interfacing with it through google talk, so then it's just a message.
- Alex Leonard
Oh, and the other thing I wanted to mention is that I've connected with an excellent community of web developers on Jaiku and often find it an excellent place to post questions to with excellent results.
- Alex Leonard
Is there a client like twhirl for jaiku?
- blacktulip
from twhirl
For those of you who dumped your Twitter and blog feeds into Jaiku and don't actually post there, you're missing the point. RSS feed dumping don't equal interaction. Once you get into conversations with people (as with FF), that's when you'll see Jaiku shine.
- Cheryl Jones
Jaiku has better taste with Jaikungfu http://jonas.lemonad.org/arkiv...
- A.T.
I think that the fact it's invitations only killed it. Even Google can't help them in this stage. It should have been integrated to some of their applications long time ago.
- Orli Yakuel
Jaiku is by far a superior service than Twitter, truly conversational messaging, great group discussion (before FF) ,deep mobile integration, reliable (most of the time) and is build on a good architecture design. The main problem of Jaiku is now Google and the number of users currently using the service.
- israel
I used Jaiku before Google bought it and it was quite boring, No one to follow or post to, and no apps as FriendFeed and Twitter have amassed.
- Randy
If Google doesn't open it, it will never be a *real* competitor to Twitter! I think if Pownce adds phone alerts, it could take Twitter down!
- Josué Almeida
IMO the true story of Jaiku stays untold... my impression that it had been done "on purpose", i.e. relatively cheap data collection of big size covered as interaction social service, to be sold later to GOOG :) mission accomplished, now on freeze/invitations-only :)
- A.T.
i think the UI of jaiku is kinda sexy
- Tyler Gillies
jaiku needs more features ;-)
- Google Reader
@z3ux I seem to get a lot of spamvites from Pownce, which is kinda sad
- Wil
Jaiku was experiencing some load issues couple of hours ago... which is quite unusual for a Google service.
- Wil
@leolaporte I am genuinely interested. search may be an issue sometime, but Twitter seems pretty scattered as well doesn't it?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Hey guys, Jaiku noticed this convo and blogged about it: http://www.jaiku.com/blog...
- Voyagerfan5761
Even Kevin Rose (founded pownce) uses twitter a lot, he says fundamental difference is that twitter is for communication, pownce is for sharing media...that is the difference in his mind. Idea: what if twitter merged with friendfeed and migrated over twitters to a stable, reliable ff w/ sms!!!
- Pokai
I was just forwarded a Jaiku invite yesterday and have been playing with it. To evaluate Jaiku, you need to analyze (1) the application (2) the third party offerings, and (3) the robustness of the community. So far I'm actually impressed with (1). As FriendFeed users will testify, conversations organized around an item are nice.
- Ontario Emperor
My further comments: http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008...
- Ontario Emperor
i like the jaiku UI
- Tyler Gillies
Any reason why a proven IM systems couldn't just add opt-in microblogging and commenting features? Seems like iChat, Jabber, AIM, etc. would bring more users into a Twitter-like world than Twitter can scale to an IM world.
- Kawika Holbrook
wow! lots of opinions. Jaiku is dead because it's closed. It never was bigger than Twitter because alot of the a-listers (like it or not) did not use it as a primary communication channel except Leo Laporte. Jaiku is more a direct competitor of Friendfeed (both are lifestreams). Also I hated the tools to post on Jaiku. Twitteriffic was way better. Jaiku's wworst enemy is Google. Why do they shut things off when they buy them. IT IS PLAIN F*#%ing stupid. when will they learn?
- DC Crowley
@DC Crowley. So what would you do after acquiring a company? Would you ask the team to deal with the rapid increase in usage (caused by the publicity around the acquisition) whilst also trying to integrate into a new company/technology platform? Or would you just leave everything the same and end up with dozens of little groups using radically different technologies? I also find it interesting and somewhat sad that you think the micro-celebs of the blogging world are the only people who matter.
- Adewale Oshineye
twitter, jaiku, pownce, facebook, friendfeed..........information overload......
- Thomas Chai
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