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Why did Google announce Chrome OS this week? Well, of course, Microsoft has a big announcement coming on Monday (I'm embargoed).
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It'll be interesting to discuss both announcements too, and what they mean for each other.
- Robert Scoble
Is this that internet clipboard that Ray Ozzie demoed a few years ago? Maybe they've completed it!
- Diego Barros
I hope to see something good come out of this. Are they saying free or paid for the Chrome OS?
- Anthony Timberlake
That's my Scoble - seeing things behind the things!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*raises eyebrow* Interesting. I applaud more competition
- Mo Kargas
I'm intrigued!
- Daynah
Diego, no, it's one of Microsoft's primary businesses. Did you know Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses?
- Robert Scoble
Related to Microsoft's Gazelle browser? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Kiran Patchigolla
Windows 7 GPL 3.0 ?? Brouahahaa:-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
cool, im thinking its a special version of windows 7 for netbooks?
- sean percival
Microsoft isn't doing too bad lately.
- Eric Florenzano
Anthony: I'm sure it will be free.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm sure they do. As I'm sure IBM does. But I don't care about IBM. :)
- Diego Barros
BingOS?
- imabonehead
imabonehead :D
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
imabonehead: no. :-) Microsoft isn't that disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
And that means Google Is doing well once again, doesn't it?
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
The Chrome OS will be for netbooks and such for now. And is Microsoft announcing the Free One Care?
- Dylan Richardson
haha BingOS! I like it
- Diego Barros
Bingo yes :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
*chuckles at imabonehead*
- Daynah
LOL BingOS! The startup sound will be Ballmer saying "BING!" like he did at AllThingsD conference.
- Paul Salzman
Bing-OS was his name-o!
- Daynah
Bingos <--- that was his name-o
- Micah Wittman
GoogleOS is already out - "It's the browser" - the GNU/Linux/Ubuntu skin is just marketing...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*high fives Daynah*
- Micah Wittman
An open source OS - how much stable will it be??
- Palak Mathur
Question is Robert, if you are not allowed to say, how on earth did Google find out?
- Sandra Large
Bingo-sssss
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Micah, we're on the same google brain wave tonight. :)
- Daynah
Palak - you troll
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Ride the wave :D
- Micah Wittman
Sandra: it might just be coincidence. Or maybe they have great spies. Depends on your view of the world, huh?
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is open-sourcing their code too??? Yeah, didn't think so. :)
- Josh Fraser
Josh: part of the Microsoft announcement on Monday runs on Google Chrome (and Firefox for that matter).
- Robert Scoble
Not all "open-sourcing" is created equal.
- Micah Wittman
Maybe Microsoft is making it's secret announcement this week cause they knew Google was about to announce?
- Alan W Silberberg
Robert - say no more, don't get into trouble, Duder.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Thats real funny Josh .. Its like pulling teeth to get them to give a discount on anything.
- Dylan Richardson
Alan: maybe! It all depends on how you look at the world, doesn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Nice Cant Wait!
- James Hunter
It just seems to coincidental. Like President of Iran making big speech during MJ's funeral!
- Alan W Silberberg
Scoble the only MS announcement they could make that would blow me away is Windows 7 Early release.
- Dylan Richardson
Dylan: Microsoft has a few other impressive things up its sleeve.
- Robert Scoble
So the question is now that Google's making an OS, will Eric Schmidt resign from Apple's Board?
- Paul Salzman
It's all just ones and zeros. ;)
- Victor Panlilio
So, do we give Calacanis credit for calling a Google OS back in 2006? http://calacanis.com/2006...
- Mike Doeff
Sanat: insightful. Paul: Google makes a smart phone OS, and he hasn't resigned, so why would he now?
- Robert Scoble
Zune HD. Looks nice for the first time ever I'm thinking about it.
- Dylan Richardson
Google is talking about it's goals at this point. Isn't Intel trying a netbook OS too that boots fast? It'll be interesting to see which OS features win out here with different implementations. Is instant on to the browser the key or will some other feature shine? Fun times ahead, though really need to see things in action.
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Dylan: sorry, that is dead on arrival. They should have combined Zune with a cell phone.
- Robert Scoble
I got a screen photo here: http://ff.im/4WoVE, I don't have much comments yet due 2 that I am using it now, its not much of an announcement.
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, Zune with a phone hmmm??? I hope ur rite as u said ur embargoed!
- polou/indigo_bow
Gazelle?
- carrotmadman6
MS does not have the Balls to take on the iPhone.
- Dylan Richardson
Wait for Monday. Nothing else to say.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Robert, because they claim to excuse him from the part of the meetings related to iPhone...computer OS is arguably the biggest segment of Apple. I guess he can stick around for the hardware discussions. I know my argument is elementary, but maybe walking a line here?
- Paul Salzman
What was the last big hit new MS product?
- James Watters
But if they did that would be cool competition is always better for the consumer.
- Dylan Richardson
James: Xbox? Dynamics? Bing?
- Robert Scoble
Apple is not really what I will be looking at Android is the big boy here
- polou/indigo_bow
MS Office on the browser would also explain why GMail and Google Apps are finally out of Beta today too.
- Ron Schott
Xbox
- polou/indigo_bow
OH OH Project Natal is coming out!! lol j/k
- Dylan Richardson
Robert: Thanks, wasn't hating, just looking for organic momentum from products. Bungie was def a godsend to 360. Bing proved Seth Godin wrong which I greatly enjoyed.
- James Watters
@Robert Scoble: So I looked up Microsoft's last quater's financial report, Microsoft does indeed have a $14 billion business :)
- Long Zheng
Bing is nice I have to say. Here is how I use it .. If I want to Buy or shop a price I use Bing. If I need info its Google.
- Dylan Richardson
MS better fix the %$^#%@^ Gumblar hole first, it's apparently worse than Conficker -- http://rixstep.com/2...
- Victor Panlilio
MS also has ~6+ B in R&D, is it efficient?
- James Watters
Not new news, but it could be the launch of Silverlight 3.0? Offline mode and all the other nice bits, runs on Chrome and Firefox.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Oh, really? When I get something on embargo...I don't write about getting it under embargo. Come on, Robert. You're better than that. Or at least I hope you are.
- Andrew Feinberg
I agree @travis, but google make it like a news
- polou/indigo_bow
James: it doesn't matter, a company like Microsoft needs a product pipeline to remain relevant. Research lets Microsoft remain relevant and on Monday you'll see a bit of how it does that.
- Robert Scoble
OK. Google Chrome OS. Netbook makers say Linux based Netbooks have high return rates. How will people react to a Netbook that only runs a browser? Linux has remained niche.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Andrew: sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will look forward to it. We ALL win when great software comes to the market. Almost nothing better in the world.
- James Watters
14 billion, maybe Office that runs on Silverlight, therefore in the browser properly.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Do you all think GoogleOS will just boot up right into the browser? Browser will be in firmware?
- Paul Salzman
BTW, Robert, will Microsoft finally dump IE and develop a Webkit based browser? (Forget Gazelle. Yet another stupid Microsoft research project that will never successfully make it mainstream.)
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Paul: no highly unlikely.
- James Watters
Dileepa: I don't know the answer to that. But the demos on Monday (I have a bunch of video coming) were shown to me in Firefox. So maybe that's our answer right there.
- Robert Scoble
James: so you think it will sit on top of Linux or something? Or just be a new flavor of Linux?
- Paul Salzman
Linux flavor of Chrome, thus far not arrived yet
- polou/indigo_bow
Paul: I'd look at Android as a precursor and say yes its going to use a google refined linux kernel, and I believe the post even says a windowing system. I'll check TC again to be sure brb.
- James Watters
Paul: I bet there will be some customization of Linux underneath Google's Chrome OS. I'm intrigued and can't wait to see what they will do with it.
- Robert Scoble
Google says the software architecture will basically be the current Chrome browser running inside “a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.” (quoting TC)
- James Watters
I can almost bet that its web based Microsoft Office with some nifty real-time collaboration features.
- sameer
Sameer - I agree. Explains cross-browser compatability
- Daniel Lazarides
from iPhone
"a new windowing system" leaves the door open for a greater level of abstraction away from the kernel for sure. Probably still with some access to files, devices, etc on the local hardware though which a browser alone would be a clumsy solution too.
- James Watters
If Microsoft's BIG announcements are Web based Office (already demo'ed and announced), Windows Azure RTW (nothing unexpected) or Windows 7 RTM (already announced to be announced!), there is nothing that's going to surprise people on Monday then.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
I think Wave might be integrated into the OS.
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Windows7i -- the Cloud OS from MS
- Paul Salzman
Jaya: Like as a built in extension to the windowing system? Like IE and explorer?
- James Watters
@Alex Will they be able to match Open Source strategies as followed by Ubuntu,etc??
- Palak Mathur
just another rehashed disaster of windows in another marketing created packing
- Zac Bowling
Dileepa - They haven't talked much about collaboration using Office web. There was one OneNote demo that showed some realtime synchronization. I'm thinking more Wave-like realtime features.
- sameer
Zac: I'm going to believe Robert, but lets give him hell if this is marketing glossy! :)
- James Watters
Paul Salzman: Windows 7i with WGA! -- works only when accessed through IE when running on a WGA validated copy of Windows.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: that's it, we've called it! ;)
- Paul Salzman
Robert you managed to convert a complete google night into a complete MS night :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
James: it's been a while since I've felt compelled to do more than five videos at a Microsoft press conference. See ya on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
sameer: That will be mimicking existing Google Docs feature. Google Wave is at a completely different level and I am not sure if Microsoft is up to doing something like that.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Till Monday it is, I'm thinking I'll even blog it.
- James Watters
Wave might act as the collaboration platform on the OS. But that leads to another question. Will the OS be tied to Google accounts for login?
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Let's see, I think there's potential for implementation of realtime collaboration across the web based and desktop offerings of Office that could be of big mainstream impact. It's got to be something related to Office, Robert talks about the "$14 billion business" - The only other Microsoft business I know of that's that big is Windows.
- sameer
sameer: I said that Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Plural, not singular, but I also said it was one of Microsoft's primary businesses. That narrows it down a bit, yes.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is a MS hardware that will shake the netbook market!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
So that's a Win7 RTM announcement, combined with Web Office. If Web Office will be free to use, the combination of W7 Starter with Web Office will be a huge notebook hit.
- Kirill Petrovsky
If ChromeOS was meant to counter MS, then the logical MS announcement would be some kind of OS project, like maybe a combination of Microsoft Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) combined with Silverlight for NetBooks or mobiles.
- Ray Cromwell
MS Web Office for sure: Scoble said it runs on Chrome and Firefox and it's a multi billion business. Actually, MS Office accounted for 18-19B $ in 2008.
- Jérôme Flipo
I fear that if the tech side of their release if good (but whatever the pricing), Google Apps isn't ready for the fight.
- Jérôme Flipo
Microsoft announces the cloud OS? I'm still not sure about a Google OS though.
- Burcu Dogan
Web Office in Silverlight, together with a mobile version that means we get Silverlight on WinMo and maybe even IPhone would be a win for me
- Ian Blackburn
I cannot wait...:-) but I DO have a clue...
- Eric Denekamp
Lots of people suggesting Office-in-browser but if that were it why would Robert be under embargo given they've already announced it and demo'd it? I'm not saying it ISN'T Office-in-browser but if it is then something doesn't add up!
- Jamie
Good point Jamie - the two primary business in MS are Office and Windows (in terms of revenue anyway), so perhaps this is more to do with a Windows OS in the cloud? How would that look?
- Ian Blackburn
Midori perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jamie
Initially, Google VS Live, Then Chrome Vs IE & Google Vs Bing, finally its Windows VS Chrome OS
- Michael_techie
Ummm... are they announcing an online version of MS Office like Google Docs?
- prolificdyslexic
that's why I do not subscribe to Scoble - too many comments on his articles, too much noise
- Павел Романовский
I don't see any noise in here. Interesting conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The MS guy at Portland Cloud Camp said Azure was going to be released very, very <wink, wink> soon. #cloudcampPDX
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
All google apps platform out of beta yesterday, now Chrome Os.. Is definitely the answer to Seven + Silverlight/OfficeOnLine Monday ;)
- CantorJF
from iPhone
@gwalter You’re maybe right. The front end would be MS Gazelle, and the back end would be Azure.
- Bram Pitoyo
Microsoft is finally putting the Zune out of it's (and out) misery and killing it? :)
- Diego Barros
Office Web Apps release to public beta is well overdue - first promised for end of 2008. If this is embargoed then it must involve something new. ScottGu hinted that Silverlight 4 was already in development. SL3 is released this Friday. So maybe SL4 will be released,in beta with a beta of Office Web Apps showing some SL4 features (like more AIR like features)..
- Joe Wood
It seems like "too late" and illogical for Microsoft to come-up with another vendor-lock-in type innovation and expect positive results. Microsoft is not run by daredevils nor wimps. The announcement Robert talking about might be about a web based productivity application suite, which is standards compliant and offers a familiar interface and workflow for people, thus easily adoptable and steal competitors' (G, Y!, Zoho, 37S, Adobe?, etc.) user base.
- Berk D. Demir
The thing thats got me shitting my pants over all this is Games. I need Windows to play all the latest Direct X 10 and 11 games. Linux is hopeless in that regard.
- Mark
Audience in here is mainly composed of technically inclined, early adopters. We feel comfortable with online apps and mainly ready to ditch (or already ditched) many offline applications in favor of our new toys. OTOH, that's a huge paradigm shift for the other majority of less technically inclined and incomparably bigger masses. Microsoft still have the power to lead masses, create...
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- Berk D. Demir
Interesting discussion! I vote for MS Office online !
- Krishnamoorthy
I commented in istartedsomething on Long Zheng theories with this list. so why not here after having read all of Scoble responses?: Safe Guesses (not crazy): 1.- Office Ensemble (Office Web Apps + Office Live Update) and a Office 2010 public CTP (the most likely one) 2.-Microsoft Online Services gets full release along with a full release of Windows Azure while one of the new Data...
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from FriendFoo
i crammed a lot of guesses that may not have to do with the announcement so maybe robert could say warm or hot to the whole list without having to specify. :P
- Avatar X
I vaguely recollect listening to the GIllmor Gang in June/July 2008 where Robert said he'd just visited Microsoft Research and seen "an amazing new browser". If memory serves me correctly it was said in the context of mobile devices but who knows.....this may be another contender for Monday's announcement!
- Jamie
Anything related to Midori ? http://technologizer.com/2008...
- Krishnamoorthy
Microsoft has already made their counter-move to a Google OS. It's called Windows Azure. It'll serve apps to the Google OS with ease and MS will make money in the process. Yeah, I know today the money be nowhere near what the Windows OS makes, but while the Google OS is gaining traction as a desktop OS, Azure will be gaining traction as an app hosting platform for that very same Google OS and others.
- Jeff Weber
More spam news will come in. Azure, Mirot ha ha ha
- Michael_techie
just another social network (where the IE users might hang out)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Another huge innovation like renaming Bing?
- Burcu Dogan
Google is initially going after netbooks via a new OpenSource OS. If Microsoft's Next Big Thing is Azure then they are betting that a locked-in cloud-based OS will trump Google's move. It's gonna be VEHLEY INTELESTING to see this play out.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
launching online enabled MS Office, free and beta
- Павел Романовский
I really hope it's not anything Silverlight related, some one is on crack if they think the end game is everything running in a plugin in a browser.
- Scott Kahler
Tease. Tease. :)
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, they'd better have more than a few "14 billion dollar" businesses. Their market cap is 200 billion for heaven's sake.
- Stephen Pickering
sorry, have to ask. did it make you cry? :)
- dannysullivan
does this mean google=novell?
- Eran Even-Kesef
Made the news onto electricpig your announcement!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Dr. Schmidt HAS to resign from the Apple board... too many conflicts of interest (iPhone v Android, Chrome OS v OS X, Chrome v Safari). What could he possibly be adding that can't be obtained through someone else?
- Gerald Buckley
You are in Palo Alto? I am in Mendocino. :)
- Joe
pricing of Azure will definitily be one of the announcements; not the BIG one. Office online perhaps...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Very interesting indeed. Chrome OS sounds like a great companion to Windows on a netbook+ device, for those times when you do need instant web/email. Looking forward to your videos!
- Will Johnson
Since the event on monday is WPC I'm guessing that Steve Balmer will present MS view on future of the Enterprise and showing off some of what Ray Ozzie has been working on. Coming full circle with Azure (computing infrastructure), Mesh (powering collaboration), SilverLight (future of runtime enviroments on all platforms) and of course all of this software+services has to be powered by Windows Enterprise Servers on the back end.
- Daniel Chow
Also the new Office is the first application to launch under the above stack. Scoble, did I get anywhere close to any of the embargoed announcements? :)
- Daniel Chow
Robert - Was GLADoS based on you? ;)
- Matthew DeVries
What do you think? How long will the Apple-Google Friendship last? http://friendfeed.com/applero...
- Hans Kainz
They are going to announce the release of IE 9 - the even worse with net standards addition.
- Bobby Griffith
Windows 7 Home/Business/Ultimate Netbook Edition. Each with different capabilities and things disabled for no reason other than to confuse users and make more money.
- Scott Koon
heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)
- Allen Stern
Go for it, Allen! Inquiring minds want to know!
- Rudy Amid
Well if you do know, you owe it to your readers to report the news,
- Mark
Mark - That's if you see tech journalists (which I don't think Robert even classifies himself as) as true hard hitting journalists (think woodward and burnstein, ed Murrow) or if you think of them in the vein of Sports writers. Sports writers, like tech writers, need to foster relationships and have their names known and have to cross closer into the friendzone to get us the day to day...
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- Matthew DeVries
Mark: sorry, I signed an embargo. That's the way these things go and I'm not willing to burn this relationship, sorry. You'll know on Monday. Matthew is exactly right. And even with Woodward and Burnstein, they played this game. You didn't know who Deep Throat was, even though that was news too.
- Robert Scoble
Not even going to go for the Deep Throat joke... I swear, I'm not going to... :p
- Bill Heslin
what announcement?
- kang
I didn't mean Robert should report it. I meant Allen Stern who commented he was not under an embargo. He knows it, he has no NDA, he should report it.
- Mark
RT Allen Stern "heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)"
- Mark
I hope its not Gazelle. If it is I respect Robert for abiding by the embargo. It seems as though no one in tech abides by embargoes any more. If it is Gazelle, might as well discuss since it is all over the tech blogs already.
- Keith Beucler
As they keep it under the blanket till now! It should be software only thingy! speculations about xbox, zune phone etc are free to leave!
- Amir
It's not Gazelle. At least I don't think so, because I have no clue what Gazelle is. I'm off to find out.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, nope, what I was thinking of is not Gazelle. But now that I see the rumors I wonder if Microsoft has more than one major announcement on Monday?
- Robert Scoble
My Guess: They enabled Live Mesh Web Desktop to run applications, So in future all applications are going to be hosted in Live Mesh
- Amir
maybe i want use chrome all day,,just for internet surfing
- qian
Hey Robert, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being an announcement that version 8.1 of IE includes a better spell-checker, and 10 being that Windows 8 is coming out in 2010 and is free, how many out of 10 is the announcement going to be in terms of having an impact?
- Mark
btw I have had this single chrome window open for about a week, and because each tab has its own process I don't get memory leaks like with firefox.
- Mark
Does unmodded, unaddon'd firefox leak?
- Matthew DeVries
Not sure to be honest
- Mark
So there could be your difference.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: that's hard to judge. I'd say 6.9 based on how you framed it.
- Robert Scoble
Is this something that will go over well on Wall Street?
- Michael Fidler
Well, today Microsoft announced the promotion of Steven Sinofsky to president of the Windows Division.
- imabonehead
Robert ur (face) a hit today in the news outlets: http://lifehacker.com/5310444...
- polou/indigo_bow
I hope Google comes up with a great OS. I have tried any different Linux versions on my netbook but have never found the perfect one. Looks like they have connected the right partners as well so I am very excited. 9 0ut 10 for me. This could change everything
- Asgeir
TechCrunch on Scoblelizer's drumroll: "Office In Cloud Comes Monday" http://bit.ly/18sKUe
- JimmyJet
it will be a sigh of release for people come to fear those massive, massive office purchase/downloads. still a pain for when you travel and have no access online though...
- Terry O'Fee
While Google's forays in the OS and office productivity arenas are great for consumer choice, are they playing w/ fire? Google's core revenue stream is search, which has a much lower switching cost than any of MS's multiple revenue streams: Client, Office, Server. It seems like the two are pitching for a protracted fight that could be costly to both. But in a battle of attrition, it seems to me that Google could lose $ faster than MS.
- lingb
Windows ME Ultimate?
- Michael Funk
Well, it's Monday, what is the announcement about?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
MS is making Office apps online. Ala google apps. Boring.
- Rudy Amid
Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter which is why it will fail. We need more "what comes after Facebook" not a quest for email 2.0
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Does anybody else agree with Dare?
- Louis Gray
I certainly don't. His comment seems to indicate ignorance of what Google Wave is. It's so interesting to me that everyone is focused on Google's overlay instead of the engine.
- Karoli
I disagree. What features of Facebook or Twitter does it lack (or will it lack once more bots, extensions, and UX improvements are developed) that makes it not a contender for an open-web communication and collaboration tool (i.e., social networking service)? And it is capable of so much more.
- LogEx
I disagree. All you have to do is watch the Google Wave demo at their IO conference. After watching, digest the information, then go ahead and send a traditional email. You'll see how necessary Google Wave really is.
- Kevin Pruett
I don't get how it's "opposite" or, if that is true and means something, why that would be bad.
- Fred Yankowski
disagree.
- vijay
If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0. If it promotes spontaneous conversation and mild amounts of social preening, and moves the ball down the field from other services, it will do just fine. And all google products by default start as successful, because they don't individually need to monetize.
- Christopher Galtenberg
(I like what you did here, Louis. What's that word for the person at a party who gets beers in everyone's hands and talking? You that :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Disagree. How my friends use Facebook. (1) Crappy apps; (2) Status updates; (3) Facebook email. (Which I have set to get to me via real email. Pisses me off that I then have to login to Facebook to reply though.) So what comes after Facebook? Facebook with Wave.
- Andy Bold
@LouisGray We're having a great debate about Google Wave here:http://friendfeed.com/google-...
- Jorge Escobar
^---- Yes, anyone interested in Wave should read Jorge's thread.
- LogEx
I haven't looked at Wave too closely, but I tend to use FF/Facebook/Twitter in a very different way from email. In fact I don't use email outside of the corp environment anymore and there the integration between, outlook, office communicator and office live meeting is really awesome.
- Chris Patterson
Well, I said two things; (i) it is the opposite of Twitter and (ii) it will fail. which one do people disagree with? :)
- Dare Obasanjo
The spirit (at least as I see the statement's essence) of what Dare is saying is right - that apps that take it to the next level BUT are accessible to the general public are the ones that will succeed so cooking up a French masterpiece is a recipe for failure when all your customer wants is taters and ground beef (feel free to correct me if I misstated your premise Dare) - that said I...
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- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I won't have an opinion until I give Wave a try and see how it fits into my life.
- Roger Benningfield
email 2.0 is really asking what does real time communication look like. Wave is probably not the answer. But the platform maybe very useful for the next generation of real time web mashups.
- Aaron Fischer
Being the "opposite of Twitter" isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends what you mean by the "opposite of Twitter." For instance you could mean that it will have very few users but make massive amounts of money. Could you clarify.
- Adewale Oshineye
Dare, I don't even see it as being in the same league as Twitter, but if I reeeeaaaally stretch, I can say that it is Twitter five iterations down the road. Not the opposite at all. It also won't fail. You just won't see it, because it will be the engine driving apps people use every day.
- Karoli
wave reinvents IM, not email.
- Cliff Gerrish
I assume you mean that it's the opposite of Twitter in terms of its complexity, versus Twitter's simplicity. But I think it mostly *seems* complex. There are really only three parts to it: writing (or inserting pictures or any other content), commenting, and who can see it. What you choose to use those parts to do is completely open, from chatting to email to working on documents together. So I think it may take a little while for everyone to "get" it, but I think once they do it'll be huge.
- Tom Small
I am excited to starting coding against the new Wave APIs. Just wait till you see what is possible. There's a reason a room full of a few thousand developers gave a standing ovation for about 5 minutes... go dig into the apis and you'll start to see the magic. or stay up at the surface with the rest of the so-called experts in the tech-blogo-sphere and talk the talk. My advice: pay attention to new dev projects using Wave APIs & follow the developers.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I agree, it's not the google wave "application" that is the big deal, but the infrastructure - this will be the backend for so many cool things.
- Jack Jones
"opposite of Twitter" could mean a bunch of things. it could mean that Wave is the opposite of Twitter architecturally -- a network of federated servers, instead of whatever 386 Turbo is under Ev's desk. :-D so then the question becomes, "does Wave scale?" is it ACID? do updates have massive latency? what happens when millions of users start beating up on it, when you've got 500,000...
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- Karim
"opposite of Twitter" could also be understood from a user experience standpoint. the limitations of Twitter also make it simple -- you don't have to worry about fonts person A has but not person B, for example. there's no threading in Twitter. but in Google Wave you can create Waves from other Waves, leading to the usual BBS-type refrains of "why did you start a thread/Wave for that?...
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- Karim
I think what Dare means is that Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter in that Wave will stay up 99% of the time and people still won't use it.
- Scott Koon
finally Wave could be considered the "opposite of Twitter" in that there is the expectation that people will get "real work" done using Wave; i.e. you will be putting your company's confidential information in there, which doesn't happen on Twitter. Federated Wave servers address this to a degree, but then you are adding complexity and sysadmins and hardware and the need for backups, etc. -- all the things that go along with having your own email server. Which you don't have with Twitter.
- Karim
Scott, people said that about FriendFeed, too... :-D
- Karim
I don't see how being the opposite of Twitter is a bad thing...
- Johnny
I still hold to my beliefs that wave is just googles take on twitter.
- John Shue
Wave looks great to me.
- Wo
+1 Kevin Pruett - The demo made me realize I have IM, email and office apps open in different windows or tabs at the same time. I must move between them to do anything productive. All of the sudden it seems wrong. I don't know if this makes sense, but Wave seems like keyboard shortcuts. I don't think about which application I need to use or have open: I just know that Ctrl+F or Ctrl+C etc. work. Another example of this is Jeff Han's multitouch demo on the TED site. In his words, "the interface disappears."
- Jack Frizzell
Dare is wrong. I'll be suing it the minute it comes out but not as a Twitter/Face Book/Friendfeed app (even though it could theoretically do any of those) but as a collaboration tool.
- John Hardy
to my mind they are opposities in architecture/PoV: while a tweet on twitter = a blip on a wave, you usually look at twitter from a single tweet on towards the rest of the conversation (bottom up). On wave, you start from the top, as the whole conversations unfolds before you (in case you use the wave client as a UI).
- Björn Klose
@Christopher Galtenberg (If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0) Good point
- Amiroo ™
I do, but the answer is already in front of us: Location based, mobile, social networks like Brightkite.
- Brandon Mendelson
yes, but for the business folks (the folks who can not get their heads out of...) need something that is close to email 2.0. If Google has it then lets see it
- Braden Douglass
An apple is the opposite of an orange, right?
- dthree
Wave is complex relative to Twitter's simplicity. But just because it's complex compared to Twitter does not allow for claims to be made that it will "fail". I do agree that there is a "what comes after Facebook" question, Wave can be the next gen platform. But will your parents use it as a replacement for email? I don't think so. My take? It will evolve. And not in the corporate world. Agree with Chris Patterson regarding MS Communicator and Live Meeting.
- Todd Weidman
I think we'll see Twitter and facebook adopt wave. Imagine both of those organisation using the platform with their own apps/engines on top. Twitter probably first as it will be easier for them, but I think the wave functionality will work better in the FB environment.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
the comment is rather ambiguous so it's difficult to respond whether I agree with it or not.
- Jamie
Weird IE6 issue... - jQuery (English) | Google Groups - http://groups.google.com/group...
I ran into this using the jQuery UI dialogs. We were checking a checkbox in a dialog.
- Scott Koon
When I think back to 7 years ago, I get really sad about what could have been, how the country could have been united by a good leader :(
How beautiful and idyllic, if we could have just talked to those who killed thousands of innocents and maybe admit the error of our ways (free capitalists) it all would have just been different.
- Claude Betancourt
@Claude I can't think of a douchier comment you could have left
- Jason Carreira
@Jason But of course, we just love the terrorists.
- Dion Almaer
@Claude: Do you think some of us on 'the other side' actually are pissed that our administration didn't catch the terrorists who did this to us! I mean, ANGRY! A leader would have brought every effort to bring AQ and OBL down - and the entire world would have been on our side as we did it. Talk? How about results!
- AJ Kohn
All - Claude is a troll. Just block him and move on (I can't see his original comment, but I can see he folks responding to him).
- Patrick Lightbody
I wonder what the Bush legacy would have been if not for the 9/11 attacks? What would the world be like if they hadn't happened? What did the terrorists really want to achieve? Did they achieve it? We still don't know what they really wanted.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
Why is it that when someone disagrees with your warped view of reality you must dismiss him as a troll? Shut him down, block him, and let's stick your heads in the sand and avoid reality. Luckily for you, there are people out there willing to defend your right to be wrong all the time while you delude yourselves with academic discussions.
- Claude Betancourt
I am looking forward to meeting you in person in Boston, maybe we can have a beer and an animated discussion. What do you say Patrick?
- Claude Betancourt
100 Things You Should Eat Before You Die - FoodProof - http://foodproof.com/blogs...
Kamilah Gill, Nathan Chase, Kevin D. White and 25 other people liked this
I've consumed all, but 8... wow. Wait, re-counting. brb Final count, all but 7 :O
- Mona Nomura
i saw this come through my feed yesterday. i am at about the same number as you Mona.
- Carlos Ayala
I've only had 16 of the 100. I've apparently led a sheltered culinary life.
- Bonita Garrabrant
I have a whole lot of eating left to do.
- Alan Le
Pho is heaven in a bowl.
- Sprague D
Foie gras is the tastiest (is that a word?) thing that I've eaten, next to really good oysters. I so want to try Kobe beef steak.
- Alan Le
There should just be one item in this list: 1) Go eat at The French Laundry.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
If you're gonna spend that much, Per Se in Manhattan ftw. French Laundry = not worth it, imho.
- Mona Nomura
Yah, either way Mona. Maybe it should be "Have Thomas Keller cook for you"
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
I've had alligator. Is that close enough to crocodile?
- Morton Fox
Only had 19 and probably won't grow much. I have texture issues, lol
- ::Kristen::
I heard Thomas Keller never stands in the kitchen anymore :( But for Napa, Ad Hoc is more reasonable AND it's soul food. YEAH! :)
- Mona Nomura
ashamed to say that I don't know who's thomas keller is. Wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... . Didn't know that he and his brother started Buchon. I had the foie gras there a few years back.
- Alan Le
adding Ad Hoc to my list as the next restaurant to try. Thanks Mona. http://www.yelp.com/biz...
- Alan Le
Alan, if you ever need food / restaurant recs, let me know. Though I'm quite picky and refuse to dine at places where the value : quality ratio is off. ie: Just because a place hits a 'list', it doesn't mean it's worth it. SF is infamous for places like that. Over priced and Over rated.
- Mona Nomura
good to know. So what's a good steak place in the city (SF) that's not overpriced?
- Alan Le
In SF? LOL No where... :( -- but then again, I only like Rib Eye (medium rare). If you're a Prime Rib fan, I might now a few places. :)
- Mona Nomura
Who do I gotta kill to get a reservation at Per Se?
- Karim
I think that people that eat steak medium or welldone are missing out. no good steakhouses in 'frisco? aw shucks. what's your fav local restaurant then (any type)?
- Alan Le
People pay top $$$ for 'good' steak and when it's charred, the flavor is destroyed :\. Even worse, is the crime of drowning expensive steak with A-1 :\ x 8397242983! My fav. local restaurant = Koo. (sushi) :) http://flickr.com/search...
- Mona Nomura
whoa! koo looks good.
- Alan Le
Koo is AMAZING. And the price is reasonable :) Definite must try, Alan!
- Mona Nomura
it looks much better then the stuff from Sushi House in Alameda. http://flickr.com/search...
- Alan Le
I've had 42. More if I can count beignets, elephant ears, and funnel cakes separately. :)
- ha3rvey (business time)
Wow, Kaolin and Fugu are the only two on the list I have not had. A couple were minor variations to the descriptions, but close enough to count.
- jcunwired
I've had about 27 thanks in large part to living in Hong Kong which accounted for the majority of my list, save for the roadkill venison (does that count double?)
- Andrew Leyden
I've had all but about 13 and couple others are close enough to probably count or I'm not sure about.
- Charles
I've had 51, which I think is a lot for someone who isn't adventurous and used to be very picky. Wondering why isn't salmon sashimi on the list..
- Hannah
where to go after escargots...
- Kamilah Gill
@KirinDave is squirrelfish (JavaScript optimizing craziness) shipping in any mainstream browser? When it is, I'd love to revisit.
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Squirrelfish is not yet shipping, it should be part of the next major Safari release. It is available in nightly builds of WebKit.
- DGentry
SF will be in Adobe AIR as well.
- Scott Koon
I like how when I hear a Microsoft codename I don't know, Live Searching Mary Jo Foley's blog brings more relevant hits than our intranet.
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"live searching"? srsly?
- Joe Beda ()
Yeah, sure, doesn't everyone Live Search? ;)
- Paul Buchheit
That reminds me of right after we launched A9 when we got a shout out on the OC. Remember that show? (Remember that website?) Shannon Lucio's character said "I A9.com'd him last night" (http://waxy.org/2005...) The funniest part is that, in spite of claims of tacky product placement to the contrary, we really didn't know anything about it until we read about it on the web the next day. Fat lot of good it did anyone, though. Where is Benjamin McKenzie these days, anyway?
- DeWitt Clinton
(An inordinate amount of research into the cast of the OC went into the above comment.)
- DeWitt Clinton
Not everyone, only about 80MM: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/live...
- Sprague D
The really cool kids just call it "living" man.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
Microsoft does search? ;)
- Sam Levine
fakeplasticrock: Comparing Fake Plastic to Real Guitars - http://www.fakeplasticrock.com/#
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That battle axe guitar is sca-ry.
- Corie
I like Gene Simmons Axe Bass. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230...
- Scott Koon
Use Hungarian notation to improve database design - http://www.reddit.com/goto...
NO! Really?
- Scott Koon
A sneak peak at ASP.NET AJAX 4.0's client-side templating - http://www.dotnetkicks.com/ajax...
This is very interesting to me. I've been working with some client side templating for a while and I'd like to see what the UX teams thinking is around templating.
- Scott Koon
Lattes a luxury for startups | Seattle Times Newspaper - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html...
Luckily we have pretty good coffee at Vertigo. Otherwise I don't think I would be able to make it through the day.
- Alan Le
I have, no lie, 7 coffee shops *that I know of* within a 1 block walk of my work.
- Scott Koon
Sad that I missed the Resig talk on JavaScript due to a late arrival, but looking forward to the rest of OSCON.
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Well, I don't "like" the fact that you missed his talk. But that you are looking forward to OSCON. It's my favorite convention.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
He peed on my rug, man.
It really pulled the room together.
- Scott Koon
@jongalloway This is your first guest right?
Yep, @robconery is our first guest. We wanted to get our act together before we sent out the party invites.
- Jon Galloway
Wait, we have our act together? When did this happen? Was I there?
- Scott Koon
@jongalloway So will you all like gang up on him and throw questions or will he just be like a guest "panel member"?
I think it'll be more gang-up interview style this time. Who knows, it's our first guest! Anything could happen!
- Jon Galloway
We're just going to yell at him for 2 hours and then kick him off the call. ;)
- Scott Koon
Weight Based Pricing of Airline Tickets - http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog...
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Don't all airline tickets weigh the same?
- Stuart Grimshaw
from twhirl
I think it would be great, may even help not getting stuck between two large people on a flight back east. But please don't let TSA be responsible for weighing everyone we may never get to board.
- Jon Erickson
Actually, I often get "electronic" tickets... I wonder if those weigh anything.
- Jeremy Zawodny
This reminds me of living with roommates... you'd start out splitting the electricity bill evenly, but then someone complains that Carl has a server room that drains 70% of the power and then Carl complains that Eddie uses a lot of that server space and so on and so on... weight-based pricing sounds neat ... in theory... but could turn into disaster
- Dave Dash
from Alert Thingy
so how do you buy tickets in advance, or for a third person, when you can't price them until you actually show up to be weighed?
- Chuq Von Rospach
It's an interesting concept ... but as mentioned above, could get messy. I've often thought about how this could be done in health care. THAT gets even messier though.
- AJ Kohn
@Jason: You could weigh them at the security checkpoint without slowing them down too much. Hey, they even get to take the shoes off to lower the total!
- AJ Kohn
I'm not sure that knowing the *exact* price in advance really matters. What you're "buying" in advance is a $/pound price point. Most poeple likely own scales and could easily ballpark their ticket prices. Hell, it wouldn't take long for popular booking web sites to add a little on-line calculator.
- Jeremy Zawodny
I'm thinking of it like in Total Recall with the wall of x-ray ... as you walk down you're assigned a weight. Perhaps it's not even a scale but simple math based on visual capture?
- AJ Kohn
if you're going to attempt this in obese-nation, then ya need to seriously overhaul a ton of other crap like banning fast food, only see fruit vendors in airports and, if your feet cant reach the floor in your seat -sorry you cant lean back its felony if you do
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Oh man I'm in trouble. Wouldn't this classify as weightism? :P
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
This is likely an unpopular view, but would it be a bad thing to provide some economic incentives to be a bit healthier? I mean, it's one thing if you choose to smoke, stuff yourself with fast food and not exercise and your quality of life and health diminishes. The problem is the rest of the populace pays for their care.
- AJ Kohn
Weight is not always health related - some people are naturally larger or smaller. Also sometimes being overweight is a medical condition rather than the result of food consumption. So not a really fair system.
- Craig Thomler
sort of understand the mass to cost to transport ratio - but surprised to see above is all about overweight - how about those of us who are genetically big, we'd be punished for our dna
- mike "glemak" dunn
Final solution remedies always produce collateral damage,huh?
- Mark Forman
Craig: see this response: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog...
- Jeremy Zawodny
Jason: smart approach... sorta huge line though to weigh all this stuff...monetizing air travel really does suck
- Susan Beebe
im obese and what you just said kills me "put down the cinnabon before you board" - i hope we get to meet one day and you say that to my face!
- Allen Stern
Allen, perhaps you're not familiar with my story? http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog...
- Jeremy Zawodny
No zealots like a convert. :)
- Robert Cooper
from twhirl
As someone who is bigger (tall and a bit wider) I think the only way I would agree to pay more is if they give me a bigger seat with more legroom. Short skinny people can spare the space. This is a reason I hate to fly. I would rather drive than pay more to get treated as sheep.
- Dave Simon
Jeremy your system is flawed for so many reasons. Stick to coding pal :)
- Allen Stern
Allen: thanks for your thoughtful analysis and advice. I'll be sure to only think and write about code from now on, for fear of a coming up with "flawed" ideas.
- Jeremy Zawodny
I'm thinking Jeremy meant this like Swift's "A Modest Proposal" [satire] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Sprague D
So in your plan, if I am fat, do I get a larger seat to go along with my higher price? Right now I pay for two seats, how does your system handle that? Or does everyone get the same seat but pays more because there's more weight in there? I am going to double-swipe my metrocard tomorrow on the subway because the train pulling me has to exert more force because of my weight. On a side note, congrats (seriously) on your weight loss.
- Allen Stern
Allen: a larger seat would make a lot of sense, wouldn't it?
- Jeremy Zawodny
i wish i had more time right now to go back and forth with you on this but 9 companies have decided to post news tomorrow at 9am and i have to write their stories - maybe we pick this up at another time - sorry
- Allen Stern
This came up 6 years ago too. SouthWest decided they would force large people to buy a second ticket. http://scottkoon.org/2002... . This works out to a lose-lose situation for everyone. It does open some "slippery slope" possibilities. The real problem is that they put too many rows on the planes. Tall, skinny people would rather have one less row and some more leg room. I'd also advocate some sort of "smack in the head" policy for anyone reclining in their seat.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
I would find this a lot more palatable if you also got a size-appropriate seat. If I'm 280 lbs and am paying twice as much as someone who weighs 140lbs, then I should get a chair that fits my size, and the 140 lb person should get a chair that fits their size.
- Kevin Fox
This campaign was running a few weeks ago when I was in Philadelphia: http://flyderrie-air.com/derriea... The first airline to charge by weight. It is coming. (No, it isn't real, but it is funny) Wasn't pay by the pound big with some small town restaurants in the 70's / 80's? I remember going to one as a kid and it was a nickel a pound for kids under 12.
- Scott Schnaars
Besides larger seats for larger people you would also have to provide a bigger meal and more snacks. Ummm wait.. that's called first class.
- Luis Figueiredo
A sensible idea.
- Carlo Zottmann
all I know is that I just flew continental and was totally surprised to be fed... and I mean actual food not just peanuts
- nick carrasco
It's not unreasonable to charge people according to the cost of carrying them & their luggage, whether or not you also offer to sell them custom sized seats, but it's probably a money losing scheme once you factor in people's resentment of it. Given a choice between equitable treatment and just treatment, people generally choose whichever benefits them more.
- Seth
Obsese people wouldn't get larger seats for their expensive tickets, they would get more fuel for their flight. Bigger seats are available right now; it's called first class.
- Micah Sittig
@wilshipley re: ObjectiveC "The last time I dealt with a header file and felt OK about it was in 1992."
obj-c blows, and xcode's quirks don't make it any more friendly - especially when apple changes (and breaks) the SDK weekly
- Justin Hart
@onyxraven Coming from an extensive C++ background, I disagree that Obj-C "blows"
- Paul Reynolds
You keep on typing "Something : ISomething" and feel like you aren't using header files. ;)
- Scott Koon
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Wow that was quick.
- Scott Koon
ESPN - Ravens, Texans, Bucs among finer fits for Favre - NFL - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl...
I hope he does come back. He can still play really well and there are few NFL players who love the game as much as Farve.
- Scott Watermasysk
from Bookmarklet
Ugh, is there a way to dis-like a FF comment. ;) Favre needs to go. He's still got some magic, but any team who takes him will be putting a young QB they *need* to develop on the backburner while grampa Favre goes out to play. Too many injuries the past two years to continue.
- Scott Koon
Favre is a complete legend but he needs to stay retired
- Steve Eichert
He is still way better than most QB's and his just go for it mentality is way more fun to watch than most of those he would replace.
- Scott Watermasysk
STOP IE6 campaign - A campaign devoted to wiping IE6 off the web - http://www.stopie6.org/index...
Alan Le, Javier Lozano, Otto R. Radke and 2 other people liked this
I think the large percentage of IE6 still in the wild is due to businesses that are unwilling to upgrade their browsers and/or cannot upgrade due to legacy web applications that only work with IE6.
- Otto R. Radke
While I would *love* to see IE6 go away, it's simply not a practical expectation, especially for many business users who don't have any control over what browser is installed on their computer. Completely blocking access to your website for IE6 users is not likely to convert them, just piss them off.
- Brandon Wood
I'm OK with pissing them off. Pissed off people usually call for change. When the Exec. VP of Widget Inc. finds the IT guy who says he can't view his favorite online gambling site because it won't work in the IT mandated IE 6, I bet the policy gets changed.
- Scott Koon
Spartan Programming - http://www.codinghorror.com/blog...
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Does this mean that I yell "This is Spartaaaa!" while coding? j/k When coding I try to make my code more minimal.
- Alan Le
Nice thing, in many cases it will help performance by keeping scopes limited and specific. Maintainability may be debatable, in some cases it will be good, but a high-spartan-level program may be rather unreadable at first. Spartan coding assumes code reuse and eschews Not Invented Here (cause why write it again if someone else has... thats less LOC for me!). Good term for a practice we should strive for.
- Justin Hart
"Is this madness? THIS IS DOT-NETTTTTTTTTTT!"
- Scott Koon
Generally agree, although one character variable names and inlining to eliminate variables can lead to unreadable code pretty quickly.
- Jon Galloway
@scott lol.
- Alan Le
I wish WebKit Nightlies had a built in "auto download new nightly and reboot once every night / on Friday" That would be a win-win for all!
Sound like a job for rake! (or Ant, pick your build too).
- Scott Koon
Seattle area tweeps, who wants to wait in line with Gear Live for iPhone 3G? Hit me up.
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I'm interested, but not going to know until about Weds if I'm going to get it or not.
- John Barker
Are you buying me one? ;)
- Scott Koon
IE 6 still has 27% share on Wordpress.com sites according to http://tinyurl.com/5gqth5, why aren't people upgrading their browser?
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Fear. Upgrading MS software traditionally breaks stuff.
- Scott Koon
I don't think it's from fear. People running IE6 probably don't even know IE7 is out, or don't upgrade because their nephew set up their computer with XP in 2002 using a "borrowed" XP license key and told them never to run Windows Update.
- Jon Galloway
There seem to be a ton of reasons including weird things like having illegal versions of XP before the DRM got better and no auto updating anything. I think it is time to bug users to upgrade to IE7 (or any Grade A browser) as it will feel like they are getting a new computer!
- Dion Almaer
46% according to RSSmeme analytics
- Benjamin Golub
User laxity about upgrading, corporate delays in creating new disk images with the updates... lots of reasons for slow upgrade adoption.
- Sprague D
Most of my site's visitors are corporate users. About half of IE users are still using IE6. Perhaps admins think IE7 is what you use when you've upgraded from XP. There might also be worries about letting in social media ... RSS!
- Dominic Jones
Your average user doesn't know that they need to upgrade their browser unless they get a big popup telling them so. Even then, they may be too lazy or just not care enough to actually do it. Many businesses are also slow to upgrade their disk images, so many users their are stuck on old versions.
- Brandon Wood
I think this is going to take some leadership from web content providers. For instance, I think it's great that Apple has announced that they won't support MobileMe on IE6. Others need to follow their lead.
- Jon Galloway
Very simple... stagnant IT organizations preventing the move. Scott Adams nailed it- http://twurl.nl/45mife
- Jim Cahill
@kevindente I found a 300 line method with regions, I didn't even know you could do regions in a method!
300 line methods are nothing. That's designer boilerplate man.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
Chrono Trigger DS Screens [Ds] - http://feeds.gawker.com/~r...
squeeeeeee
- Scott Koon
OK, I'm starting to get stoked about Civ: Revolution this Friday. Anyone else?
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Hadn't heard about this until now. Thanks!
- Chad Myers
I played the demo on XBox Live and enjoyed myself. A nicely streamlined Civ4.
- Kevin Miller
I'd rather have Civ5.
- Adam Kinney
Yeah, but it's portable Civ. Civ on the bus "Just one more turn, I'll get off at the next stop." Civ on a boat. Would you, could you on a boat?
- Scott Koon
@shanselman Give FriendFeed a try. It's way more reliable, and you don't lose your Twitter network. I'm using Alert Thingy as a client.
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Although I wish there was a way through the UI to diff my friends/followers. Find out who I'm not following.
- Scott Koon
Totally agree. Facebook, Pownce, LinkedIn, and others have nailed this. I should have a view that shows me everyone who has added me and an easy way to autoadd them.
- Jon Galloway
You Just Dont Get It - Blog Maverick - http://www.blogmaverick.com/2008...
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I don't get it?
- Scott Koon
Why does everyone want to repost this link? I've seen it several times already. It started here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Because discoverability is still a little lacking on FF. In order to not post a dupe, I'd have to follow every other FF user.
- Scott Koon
Ironically, Robert, you don't get it -- unless you're subscribed to the people that posted (or friend of a friend, etc.), you wouldn't know it was posted ;-)
- Kirk Kittell
Yup.
- Jonathan Sterling
If someone two people I am following have posted the same item, then should there be a link in my interface between the two (perhaps in the second post, a link that says "XX has already posted this" with a link to the discussion there?
- Yaakov Ellis
is wishing C# had default parameters or optional parameters *sight*
Scott Koon liked this
or named parameters.
- Scott Koon
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