Two things strike me as amusing about this. 1) The fact that so many of us liked this entry (and, by extension, undoubtedly like the shirt). 2) The probability that many of us actually still use Twitter, conscious of the fact that practically no one really cares what we tweet :D
- Adam Lasnik
ClockingIT because it's very simple yet powerful enough to manage decent sized projects. I've used quite a few different systems over the years and none have provided the effectiveness of this one for me. I've been using this for 2 years and love it. http://www.clockingit.com/
- Mark Krynsky
oh shoot, i remember you mentioning that before Mark. Looks serious interesting and it has an outliner like task list too...
- Zee.
http://www.liquidplanner.com. I've used it for reasonably detailed timeline estimation, and they're usually closer to the actual delivery timeline than similar plans put together in MS Project. For teams that are disciplined at project **collaboration**, liquidplanner is top of the pile; speaking as PM, though, I've rarely had that luxury, so have to coordinate and direct that activity myself, making the social-web functionality of liquidplanner somewhat redundant.
- Andrew Terry
I like LiquidPlanner too. Check out this list I compiled. There's a heck of a lot of apps out there, and it really depends on what you need and your style of PM. http://rick.cogley.info/blog...
- Rick Cogley
Lindsay D.:That picture is similar to the Oppenheimer funds logo. But where did the Oppenheimer funds logo come from? Benjamin Franklin used the same image that is used today by Oppenheimer funds to start a fire department in Philly.4 hands connecting to arms as a sign that this house has paid their fire fund fee. If your house was on fire it told the fire department you were paid up, if not sorry.
- Chad Harris
hilarious historical tidbit about ben franklin and philly FD. When you dig beneath the mythological surface there were many aspects of the 'founding fathers' which weren't quite as paternal as we've been led to believe.
- Spotcher
I've used Basecamp and Zoho Projects, and they both fall short of expectations. There's also Lighthouse, which is a paid app, but I haven't used it yet (http://lighthouseapp.com/) and Pivotal Tracker (https://www.pivotaltracker.com/) which is free and based on agile approach.
- Jorge Escobar
What lighting setup did you use for your photograph? Presumably you'd have set up a ladder or platform to shoot it from. I'm guessing a fairly large single softbox overhead and positioned to the top left of the scene.
- Ian Tindale
I like the new FF a lot. The ONLY problem I have with it is that I have to be at my computer to make real use of it. There's no useful interface of any kind from my Blackberry and that's a HUGE limitation for me.
- Ken Camp
If FF puts me on the recommended user list I would use it everyday and publish original proprietary content for the entire world to comment on and share
- John Furrier
John: you can't be "put" on that list. It is done algorithmically and is totally based on popularity. I hope they do a new version though.
- Robert Scoble
definitely, that is what I have been thinking...
- Alpay Erturkmen
"Old School Philosophy – Power of Quality | What I’ve found is that the power of publishing about quality ideas and quality people not only creates a good user experience, but also creates relationships that can create positive change – one that causes people to connect and collaborate." http://furrier.org/2009... Sounds good. No...
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- Micah Wittman
now that's what I'm talking about a real person from FF responding. Sweet. Thanks. I really like what you said and it's consistent with my new group community blog. In fact that blog was designed with FF and Twitter in mind. As more people migrate to this "clustered" conversations the need for blogging is reduced. What I mean is that blogging become higher quality and lower volume. More 'signalling" and chatter and conversations can happen here..
- John Furrier
Micah: I have been research collaboration social, virtual, online for many years now and it is fact that FF accelerates collaboration. Go check out SiliconAngle.com. Here's the blogging secret problem other blogs don't like FF because it takes page views away from them. My blog SiliconAngle is not a page view based site..it's a quality audience based site and we go where the quality is and if it's FF then we'll be there. We support the sites from membership - it's a community site.
- John Furrier
Robert: I was just playing on Twitter on my comment. I would love to be there. I'm more interested in quality not quantity. I think that FF has a big shot at unseating Twitter. I have a vision for them to take over Twitter.
- John Furrier
john - this is what this thread tells me about you: your begging to be a recommended user (humor or dbag?) and actually called someone a "real person" (humor or dbag?) and finally twitter and ff are different tools and benefit each other, it's not a competition - btw welcome to ff
- mike "glemak" dunn
I agree with you Dean. I was very critical of FF in the past. One thing for sure users are tirekickers at this stage of the industry. The big scale is for average users
- John Furrier
it was humor.. I was impressed by FF responding. Not once has a Twitter employee every responded to a twitter related tweet. I love how you say in such a definitive way "twitter and ff are not competition". I think that you might be very wrong on that assumption. I believe that they indeed are competition. I know that is the public messaging but I say that FF is competing with Twitter....
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- John Furrier
I find myself spending more time on Twitter and less time on Friendfeed: brisker, crisper interface. Less babble. Less morass. More focused signal. Twitter is only as good as the top 100 feeds you follow, of course.
- Sean McBride
Sean: it's funny, but you can follow the same 100 people here on friendfeed. The thing is that you can filter out the noise out of those 100 people. Do a search of those 100 people, for instance, and only display those items that get a "like." I study both systems in depth and Twitter, overall, has much more noise and isn't nearly as filterable. It's pretty clear to me that you haven't really thought through the filtering potential here.
- Robert Scoble
I think for all the things FB stole from FF, they forgot the most important one...search.
- Jon Gosier
Jon: Facebook is definitely working on search. The head of Facebook's search team was on a panel discussion I did a week ago about real time search. Did you see that video? Want to?
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I think one thing finally struck me in a new mindset. I like the fact the the filtering on Twitter is the human mind rather than a systemic filter that a machine runs. There's a value proposition there that's different. I agree the overhead for that filter is high, but for me personally, it delivers a different value than the systemic ones I create. Both have value.
- Ken Camp
Ken: in friendfeed you can have both kinds of filtering, plus a mixture. You can't do this kind of filtering on Twitter: "Show me all tweets that have the word "Obama" in them that were liked by my "Tech News Makers" list."
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Absolutely agree you can do the same filtering in FF. It's a hugely powerful tool If SocialScope could incorporate FF, I'm sure it would become my "first place" in online usage. It is only that mobile accessibility from Blackberry that make Twitter and Facebook more practical for me. And I am off bugging developers to build a mobile interface that delivers value.
- Ken Camp
Friendfeed is very informative and useful in having a constructive discussions. It has higher proportion of geeky people than twitter. I hope it stays like this.
- ashish
Robert -- I've thought a great deal about filtering methods across all social media -- I regularly use search feeds to track and prioritize narrow topics through Google Reader and Feedly. My big problem with Friendfeed is that I have to wade through too many screens of comments to get to the golden nuggets. Twitter is pure gold for me -- very high quality feeds, 10 golden nuggets per screen. More synaptic firing per screen.
- Sean McBride
Sean: it sounds like you are adverse to noise. In that case you should NOT subscribe to 350 people. You should probably follow people who ARE spending the time trying to find the "pure gold" and putting them out for you. For instance, see http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- if you watch that then you'll only see filtered gold. If you try to say that your Tweet stream has less...
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- Robert Scoble
I follow all those, both on Twitter and here. And they are full of noise.
- Robert Scoble
Here, though, I can filter them by the meta data (likes and comments) that they collect.
- Robert Scoble
Have you tried using fftogo on you blackberry?
- dthree
from fftogo
Robert -- but if I followed all these feeds on Friendfeed, I would also have to plough through all the comments. See the problem? With Twitter, I can just click through to the full original article for valuable items that flow by. Friendfeed could fix this problem by providing a list view (an option to hide all the comments by default).
- Sean McBride
Sean: I wish I could have a view like that. Tim O'Reilly asked for the same thing. Me, though, I get HUGE value out of the comments. Look at this item alone. The original Tweet is lame compared to the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Agree - liking FF more daily - I was on the fence until I met Scoble at Under the Radar, and he suggested I try it again. He ALSO suggested I contact him if I needed help. That makes a huge difference in adopting technology and changing habits.
- Liza
Robert -- shouldn't there be a way to accommodate the tastes of both O'Reilly (and me) and you on this point? Make display of comments user-customizable. In collapsed comments mode, display the number of comments in parentheses.
- Sean McBride
Sean: yes. But out of the 1,000 features I want that one is probably at about 150. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: ok -- differences like these make the world go around. :) Thank God we are not all clones of one another in how we process information.
- Sean McBride
I feel like FF has a pretty good system - you see the original post, and the first and last comments for context. Then it lists how many comments total there are. Is it really so terrible to have a few comments showing on each thread?
- Tim McDougall
Tim: I don't think so, which is why I care a lot more about other features like skinning and live search.
- Robert Scoble
the thing for me is that conversational threads are valuable here and now with the twitter like interface and the twitter tracker here it's easier to use than twitter for direct interactions like this.. then connecting with the people around events, topics of interest, related people, and their networks..bada bing.. twitter is cleaner for basic signaling but not in depth
- John Furrier
The "weight" each post has gotten tells me it isn't noise. Heck, lots of people would consider John Furrier's original point here "noise." The conversation itself is what made it not be noise.
- Robert Scoble
That's it - you called original post lame, it was! And it would have been filtered out as noice. Sorry, John, candor is a compliment. But the conversation that followed from the post is far from lame, and it would not have taken place on Twitter.
- Liza
To be clear on this: I've made more than 13,000 comments on FF -- I love good discussions. But I want better tools for navigating the comment stream on FF, including ultra-streamlined mode.
- Sean McBride
I agree with Robert and Liza totally ..my signaling was in depth lame but it's about the notion of intent..my intent was to see push what I was thinking.. I'm not offended at all ..it's the content development process now..idea and conversation iteration is the basis of collaboration where good things can "flower up". Sean is on to something the tools will emerge and the users "vote" will be in the usage or uptake which equals value..nice
- John Furrier
Why use Twitter at all? Is because of the people there - or is there some technical reason to use it?
- Tim Tyler
Twitter is the market leader in numbers one reason developers love Twitter is the data sets are larger - although FF has better APIs and better search than Twitter but the monetization opportunties will be better for Twitter in the short term.
- John Furrier
If you think FF == Twitter then I'm out of here…
- Glen Mistletoe
On Twitter one has ability to identify someone of interest in 140 char - it also allows others to find me quickly, decide they want to follow. Shout out mentality until something sticks. Simpler technology allows massive amount of people to 'hone' their community. Then can take it to FF.
- Liza
FF is not Twitter but certainly competes with it my opinion..many differences but in the big picture very similar in scope..i use both twitter and FF but mostly twitter.. for one the time investment in twitter is better but friendfeed provides a different value at least now it does..
- John Furrier
Yes I have tried fftogo on my Blackberry. Utterly useless to be frank. A static smapshot view that can't update and jsut isn't useful at all to me.
- Ken Camp
The new Friendfeed is a must. Had a redirect script on Safari very early, as all I wanted was the beta ^^ Now, as many have pointed out here, there should be clients for desktop and iPhone.
- Paul Papadimitriou
paul: /iphone now works fine & if app is preferred try buddyfeed - as for desktop they're out there but i just use web access which is fine for me :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
posting widgets. more keyboard shortcuts. more chars to post. :] .... post to Blogger ... cloud - best real time ... and - real time /sub/cloud of live search(tm:) ..- because that will give you A SENSE of what people talk about.. am I right?? .. i have not seen this around ... yes, http://twitscoop.com is good, but they dont have this
- Petr Buben
just as we can post an image, let's post anything .... it's the web, the internet ..? :] .. id only wonder, if security is the overriding issue .. .hope not
- Petr Buben
Petr, what would you want to post? You can post pictures, videos through services like YouTube. and I know there is a way to post audio clips. What kind of thing would you want to post that you can't yet?
- Rochelle
well, widgets :] .. iframes .... websites ..... counters, collaboration tools .. anything .... :] .. here is some example where it could lead.. but dont get scared or turned off .. it's just test pages :]] .. http://scrapplet.com/petrbuben ... http://scrapplet.com/friendf... .. il work on it a little more little later :]
- Petr Buben
Okay, I guess I'm just not that familiar with widgets then.
- Rochelle
Skinning and live search, aka "track"
- Robert Scoble
I honestly don't get the above requests. My response is "Get a friggin' website." I'd hate FF if any of that stuff was added here. What I would like to see is all that functionality we lost put back.
- Captain Bubbles
hyperlinks on comments or hashanchors on them. I would like to be able to reference a comment by itself. I can find it with search, why should I have to go through ianf's uber-mojo (https://friendfeed.com/friendf... ) to do it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Real time updates and notification on Saved Searches
- Ken Sheppardson
Real time updates and notification on Saved Searches
- Webferret
Return of service icons, identification of twitter accounts, easier way to post audio, bulk subbing, more services . . .
- Chris Loft
Amani, the concept is not exclusive to Google, but they describe Gmail Labs as "a testing ground for experimental features". The idea is new (or possibly demoted) features can be turned on or off. FF doesn't have to support them at the same level as official features, yet it would benefit the company as a vote with your feet feedback loop, and some users at least get back features they've been pining for.
- Micah Wittman
We need language filters! I want to be able to search for a topic, and only see the replies that I can read. Plz :)
- Frode Stenstrøm
Live search as mentioned above, and I'd like to be able to add a search feed to a group. And service icons would be nice.
- Dave
Skinning and live search, as Scoble said. Services like Ustream and Kyte would be a nice addition too.
- Alejandro
Oh yeah, I forgot: notifications that popup unobtrusively in the corner like FB. IM would be good too, as would real-time search
- LANjackal
Deeper twitter integration, deduplication.
- Thomas Bøhm
Labs are only as good as the features in it
- Zee.
Yeah, but with labs you dont need greasemonkey or other things to make them work right, its your choice which features you enable and disable.
- Simon Wicks
Definitely deeper twitter integration - would save me checking both services... FriendFeed labs would also be nice
- Robert Mattar
When everyone says deeper twitter integration, what exactly are you hoping to see?
- Amani
@Amani, i'd like to be able to retweet properly...so able to include the id of the person who tweeted it. I'd like to be able to post from friendfeed without including a link back to friendfeed (when there's no link/content in the original friendfeed message obviously). I'd like to have the option of hiding ALL @replies on Friendfeed - they drive me crazy and have forced me to hide all tweets...
- Zee.
Automatic creation of imaginary friends from my Facebook and Twitter friends lists
- Kevin Kuphal
I'm with you zee. Looking for the same thing.
- Adriana
I'd love it if we could change the font colors so I can read the light grey comments more easily! :)
- Peggy Dolane
How about having threaded comments. That way if you are replying to a comment it is indented below it, like on other forum systems. It would reduce the need to write @username or username: in front of comments.
- Manuel Mas
@Manuel: that can actually make the convo more difficult to follow (see Digg & Slashdot for examples) while making comment thread collapsing impossible. IMO sequential posting as done currently is easier to manage.
- LANjackal
LANjackal: You got a point. Yet, isn't it counterintuitive to start scrolling upwards to check at what someone was replying to if it wasn't directly above that comment?
- Manuel Mas
The ability to mark things as read...or some way to keep track of where we left off the last time we viewed the stream.
- Phil Ashman
Sounds cool. Do you know if it delays your feed long?
- Andrew Smith
i've tried this & it gave me nothing but headache...if anyone gets it working well - i'd love to hear about it.
- Zee.
So Yahoo loses Yang and SnakeDoc ignores the existence of Yahoo Pipes?
- thomasrdotorg
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Thomas LOL ....BTW - I did post earlier on using Yahoo Pipes with Greader... I was around the Valley when they founded the company....Jerry Y. is an Icon.
- SnakeDoc
@snakedoc. I know. In teh blink of an eye, Pipes was history. Like Yang RLY.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
awesome ... this is the sorta thing i've been looking for
- Jay
wow, that's really cool. Exactly the sort of thing I've been after. Makes me wish the US election was still going so I could do some rinsing ...
- Richard Crocker
Zee - what wasn't working on this for you? I've used it for quite some time and it does well for me. (BTW, I deleted the dupe thread and bumped this instead).
- TDavid
@SnakeDoc - As far as I knew FeedRinse has always been free... I use it for several feeds. The filtering works great for me but I have yet to get the channels to work. Do they work for anyone else?
- Lindsay
@Lindsay - nope, they charged at one time (2006) for premium features: http://feedrinse.com/blog... -- I have never used the channel feature so maybe somebody else can help you there.
- TDavid