This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- Petr Buben
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- Petr Buben
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- Steve C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- Kevin Pedraja
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
My like is the last one so far :) - 509 afaik
- getalifejerk
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Discrepo. Por muy grande y definida que sea la pantalla del iPhone, me sigue pareciendo muy pequeña para leer libros. Además, el contraste que se consigue con un ebook reader convencional no se alcanza con la pantalla del iPhone. Al menos en su versión actual.
- Jordi Soler
De acuerdo. La vida de la batería del iPhone también es mucho menor. Por otro lado es más fácil cargar con un iPhone, sobre todo si de todos modos lo vas a llevar. Además que no necesitas comprar otro aparato. Llevo tres novelas leídas con Stanza y la verdad que para mí sus desventajas no se ven compensadas por el Kindle.
- Roberto Baca
Sí, podríamos considerar el iPhone como "lector de emergencia" y el ebook tradicional como "lector oficial". Yo es que estoy acostumbrado a la experiencia de mi Sony Reader y la verdad es que no lo cambio por nada. Aunque debo reconocer que me he chupado novelas extensas con la Palm, con un móvil Sony Ericsson y hasta con el Mobipocket en la Blackberry. O sea que sí, unas cuantas dioptrías menos sí tengo.
- Jordi Soler
Facebook's garden is so completely walled, that any video you take there is automatically private. It must drive Robert Scoble crazy when he shoots there.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks for unprivatizing it Steve! (edit: wow 51 minutes!)
- Chris Heath
This makes me feel that no more efforts will be made to improve FriendFeed once their current load is done. This is the first time I've felt like that - I'd love some confirmation one way or the other, especially from a development standpoint. Do we continue writing software for FriendFeed, or should we focus all our efforts towards Facebook now?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, to me it sounds like paul was saying FF will take a back seat to FB in priority. I'm only 13 minutes into the video, but so far that seems to be what he's saying.
- Chris Heath
so where to go from here? Because to me, without vast improvement, facebook ain't it!
- Bob Blunk
Even if the guts of FF make it into FB, there's no way that the interfaces will stay the same. The FB API and the FF API are like apples and oranges. So, developing anything on top of the FF interfaces at this point doesn't seems kind of pointless.
- Carter Rabasa
Bob, I really enjoy developing for Facebook. And they've shown it's getting much better.
- Jesse Stay
Bob, we don't go anywhere... stay here.
- Chris Heath
I wish, but without innovation friendfeed will eventually die
- Bob Blunk
Facebook as of yet doesn't even scratch the social surface. Walled garden = FAIL!
- Bob Blunk
Bob, I think you'll see a lot of what FriendFeed is doing further integrated into Facebook. I'd love more confirmation on what these guys will be doing within Facebook though so I can be more assured. That said, I know the guys at Facebook and I trust the direction they're going. It's just a bigger network to do that with, so unfortunately it will happen slower and more carefully.
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed is awesome just as it is... if there were no more features added I would be just as happy... as long as FF stays online.
- Chris Heath
Bob, Facebook isn't that much of a walled garden - yes, you can make it a walled garden, but they are opening up, little by little. Pages, for instance, are completely public.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, slower and more carefully also means irrelevant. the next friendfeed will trump the turtle. FB is not Google, and they have shown that time and again. Don't get me wrong, I use FB daily, but for real online social networking FF is the place I go...and google is a close second.
- Bob Blunk
Bob, you're getting ahead of yourself here and making assumptions. Let the dust settle and see what happens.
- Chris Heath
Bob, yes - that's the concern. However, when I say slow, I mean they just have more features to release and improve because they have much, much more features than Twitter or FriendFeed. They're still launching new things weekly, often several times a week.
- Jesse Stay
as long as they don't kill FF, FB and FF could integrate well. One is the yin to the others yang. (edit: yes Chris, only time will tell)
- Bob Blunk
Bob, they don't have plans to kill FF any time soon. My hope is just that they either continue updating FF or push the efforts they were going to put towards FF and put that towards Facebook. I'm guessing the latter will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Lots of smiles from Paul. Better quality than that brunch interview. :D
- Rob Schieber
Should be no surprise, Facebook is priority, FriendFeed features on back burner if they're more intensive, involved.
- Rob Schieber
This is an outstanding talk about the ping services relating to real time web. Love it.
- Rob Schieber
Probably a key area of development here is comment nesting. Will Google Wave come out of the box with this?
- Rob Schieber
Is comment nestiing really a necessary feature?
- Cliff Gerrish
comment nesting doesn't work with real-time updating comments - think about it...
- Chris Heath
Real-time happens at every point in the discussion, a la Wave, but it diffuses attention. A single point of update helps the eye find the most current comment.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nesting works 1 level deep - that's how we do it with Echo. Any deeper and it does gets confusing
- Chris Saad
Wırzıl, Phoebe Cates'in Fast Times at Ridgemont High'daki havuzdan çıkış sahnesinin gif'ini istiyoruz.
- Aycan Çevik
Biz erkekler olarak sudan bu kadar rahat çıkamıyoruz artık. Deniz şortu oramıza buramıza yapışıyor. Düzelte düzelte çıkmaya çalışıyorsun sen de. Halbuki bu kadın milleti üzerimizde baskı kurarak slip mayo giymemizi yasaklamasaydı biz de böyle rahat çıkabilecektik.:)
- fatih gül
Erkeklerin doksanlarda taytla denize girdiği bir dönem de vardı Fatih
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Slip mayoları özlüyorum. Hele şimdi şort mayolar iyice haşema mood'una girmiş.
- Burçak Çubukçu
Liking without having listened yet, but sounds like it should be great.
- Neil Saunders
Not up on iTunes yet... I guess I will subscribe later!
- Alex Morrison
The show was great. Just watched it on odtv.me. Gina was awesome. (I love Lifehacker.) I have an idea for the next show. On Lifehacker, Gina made a post called "The Hidden Risks of Cloud Computing". Check it out: http://lifehacker.com/5325169.... You could talk a lot about that one. ;)
- Barry Nolette
TWiT network is kicking some ass. This is going to be a really good show if it remains this dense and substantial.
- Christopher A Carr
Thanks Christopher! It takes a day or two for the iTunes feed to go public. Meanwhile you can add it manually to iTunes with the following URL: http://leo.am/podcasts/twig Thanks for listening!
- Leo Laporte
I would add it to iTunes, Leo, but I never use that crappy, glorified storefront bloat-ware (#1 reason I don't have an iPhone). ;-) Keep up the good work.
- Christopher A Carr
Thanks Leo, looking forward to it. Please twitter once it is available in itunes.
- Michael
Thank you Dane Golden for this new show.
- shelter watch
Great show! You will always have content.
- Rob Truman
from fftogo
Great idea. Should be a good podcast. I follow all of google on twitter, but i would love to listen to it more than read it.
- Ray H
Am liking the first episode of This Week in Google, I just wish it was called something else. Firstly, there is already a TWiG, or at least there was, plus it puts too much emphasis on the news side of the cloud computing revolution, where Leo, Gina and Jeff say they want to discuss other cloud stuff, and hints, tips and ways to use the tools.
- Dom Barnes
TWIG name is already taken in iTunes store!
- Stephan Romeo
the concept of developing open source or content for the android reminds me of "The Go-Giver". While freely giving, it's a profitable way to live and see what business comes back. @LeoLaporte - it's a great short book in Audible ;-) Read by the authors @BobBurg & @johndavidmann personally too
- Courtney Engle
Thanks for the PubSubHubbub mention!
- Brett Slatkin
I can't tell if Radio Globo has just been nationalized, but they are now running a government press conference.
- Chris Baskind
in the current reality (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, N. Korea) I think Americans (this one included) have no room to stomach another conflict. The media can blow this one out of proportion all they want, but I hope it doesn't get traction.
- Bob Blunk
It needn't. This is being handled by the OAS. I'm sure we are deeply involved, but are trying to negotiate a bloodless settlement.
- Chris Baskind
Globo has resumed local programming.
- Chris Baskind
Hehe, you can see it as that, but it's becoming more pervasive as people copy that style of posting. Asking people to "discuss here" is redundant on friendfeed. And I'm not a fan of posts where someone says here's why and then starts numbering reasons. It's all just badly overdone at this point.
- Alex Scoble
Sorry Alex, I'm not sure what you mean by overdone. Could you make a list of reasons as to why you think it's overdone? Please number them so I know what order they're supposed to be in. ;-)
- Jordan Hofker
they seem to work though, which is why people use them.
- Bill Kinney
I've done it, and it was appropriate when I did. I even paid hommage saying I was breaking it down "Scoble style". I guess I'll have to specify which of the Brothers Scoble next time I do it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Luckily for you, I choose knives over guns so I can't shoot you as you requested ;-)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I do it because the post here cross posts elsewhere with a following link. For those people on Twitter, say, the discuss here... followed by a link explains that the discussion is elsewhere. I suspect that's why Robert does that, as well.
- Leo Laporte
Leo make sense there. Thing is, since Paul et al stripped out the service icons, that situation isn't obvious now to the beholder "Oh, it's a Twitter post crossing to FF". Maybe they should put service icons showing what service sent the feed, wouldn't that be a great feature?
- Matthew DeVries
Wow...I got a comment from Leo Laporte! This is not sarcasm.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Matthew, you know you can get the service icons back using Greasemonkey, right?
- Rochelle
I've Leo has been spending a lot of time in people threads in the last week or so since he went to China. Seems he really is taking a vacation, able to spend some time just smelling the eRoses.
- Matthew DeVries
I know Rochelle, and I do, but I have this dream of moving over to Chrome. I like that brower a lot, but to do it I have deal with unreadable version of friendfeed, no AJ layout, no service icons. It's like I'm staring a wall of hieroglyphics.
- Matthew DeVries
"Please discuss:" would be better than anything. Rah came up with a good comment on this a while back but I can't remember what is was.
- Kol Tregaskes
No! you must live in shame, death is the easy way out.
- John D Reasor
it is sad and amazing at the same time that Americans know so little about geography that they don't even know about the upper and lower peninsulas of Michigan.
- Bob Blunk
This should make for biting shenanigans and theater on the G Gang show today when they pick up where they left off last week on the Great Day of Hurt Feelings...
- Thom Kennon
I was in irc.twit.tv last night at midnight and i don't think it was until about 10 or 15 minutes after the hour that someone mentioned squatting on the arrington fb names (in jest i assumed)
- Chris Heath
Who in fucks name are you people, there is not Leo/Arrington hate, they made up, less than an hour later. If the principles involved are fine with eachother, you don't get to carry forward with it. Arrington did jack shit to any of you.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, I don't think it was the TWiT Army that secured the arrington fb names, there's certainly no proof of who it was since if you type up those urls nothing comes up (private profiles i guess?)
- Chris Heath
I'm more coming down on these inexplicably butt hurt people who keep wishing the guy ill over a misunderstanding.
- Matthew DeVries
No ill wishing here... just citing a possible cause. Although I thought I saw something similar happen to @louisgray and the theory is that some names were pre-reserved by the FB crew
- Walt Ruppar
I don't think anyone is squatting on facebook.com/arrington. Like Walt said, I believe Facebook actually reserved it. If you try to go to that page it doesn't exist.
- Laura Norvig
"Whether it’s a fair system or not, that’s the way it works. Apple fans had it good last year, but O2 doesn’t owe them anything. There’s no way they could take the hit for writing off all the money they spent on iPhone 3G s last year just to satisfy their customers’ gearlust. The iPhone offers the best user experience of any phone on the market but that doesn’t make it immune from economic realities."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
+1 Martin: AT&T is the same way. We keep complaining about the service and then shortcut them on the contracts. If they don't at least break even on the phone they can't build more infrastructure. Of course, it would have helped if they had a better one to begin with.
- Bob Blunk
Actually, there is something we all can do about the high cost of cell phone usage: we can walk away from it altogether. Not only will it cost us no money, it will gain us lots of time to do other things... now that we no longer can be reached by others at their beck and call. I opted for a free Cable TV DSL landline, and, when I'm out, I carry with me a couple of prepaid PhoneCards and...
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- ianf ⌘
My main concern was the price of tethering - a service that many (most?) other people seem to have but O2 wants to charge us £14.68 per month for 3GB of data ($24) which I think is too much - what do you guys think?
- Franz Sittampalam
Franz, other networks don't include tethering unless you go for a high priced monthly add-on that probably works out about the same as O2's deal. People can do tethering on a £5 per month data bundle but they're breaking the T&Cs of their contract doing so. Tethering will probably work on the iPhone without the Bolt-on too, it'll just be risky.
- Martin Bryant
I don't mind paying for tethering, but £5 per Gb is high. I'll stick with 3 for now...
- Andy Bold
I'm not sure about the subsidy situation. I bought the initial top model iPhone (8GB) for £269 on a £35 a month contract, which we are assuming was not subsidised. The same tariff now will get you the 32GB model @ £275, which we are assuming IS subsidised. Given the nature of falling flash prices what's going on here? Perhaps the kickbacks Apple received out of the monthly contract?
- Jamie
Before iPhone, the usual model was that carriers bought large numbers of selected models from cell phone manufacturers at a very substantial discount in exchange for some cut in profits from the traffic. Carriers decided what other services and/or apps might be installed on the handset. Certain higher-end, esp. smartphones, went unsubsidized because carriers didn't see enough of a...
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- ianf ⌘
"I carry with me a couple of prepaid PhoneCards and keep track of public phones in the vicinity of where I am going." -- there's an app for that.
- Andy Bakun
If they aren't breaking even on the phone, they are pricing it wrong, and pricing it wrong is bad business. And trying to make money in a fluid market flooded with the very commodities you're trying to sell doesn't make me want to sympathize with their business model either.
- Andy Bakun
GM comes to mind... if you go broke doing it... maybe time for a rethink me thinks...
- Fossil Huntress
Thank you, Andy, for reading me that close. That's correct, but where did I say that I personally was anywhere near representative of the target group? Apple (and other capitalists) have made their projections/ calculations/ predictions and if I don't like them, nobody's forcing me to participate in their schemes. But from that to denying that they may not know what they're doing is a...
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- ianf ⌘
No, no, don't add GM into this soup, different causes entirely - complacency, incompetence and a victim of its own conscious strategy of designed-in obsolescence.
- ianf ⌘
"The weird thing, Lew, is that I've gotten to 40,000 followers faster on friendfeed than I did on Twitter, so it's seeing some success. Friendfeed items are already showing up higher in Google than the same Twitter items. My friends are already seeing more traffic from friendfeed than from their Twitter accounts (turns out that Oprah fans don't engage very much). But to me friendfeed can't do what you ask without giving up the real time feed. If it did that I'd give it up and go back to just using Twitter. So, at some level, your advice isn't good, but as you admit, you don't know the issues with getting access to Twitter's firehose feed. This is why Google hasn't yet figured it out either. It will be very interesting to see what you think of Google's Wave, by the way. Oh, and Building43 has a private room in friendfeed. Something that wouldn't be possible if friendfeed took your advice."
- Robert Scoble
I mostly agree with you Robert, but having read that post an idea came to mind. What if FF automatically created imaginary friends for those friends who are on Twitter but not on FF?
- Vlad Bobleanta
Friendfeed doesn't lend itself well to spammers. The aggregation and interaction that takes place on FF is far superior to anything Twitter could ever evolve into. But they fulfill two very different roles in my social network. FF (for the most part) is for evolved thought and participation. Twitter is for having fun.
- Bob Blunk
Vlad: I think that their agreement with Twitter keeps them from doing that. They are only allowed to display tweets from people who've signed into friendfeed, if I remember Paul right.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I see. Well then the fact that this feature isn't around makes sense.
- Vlad Bobleanta
FF is definitely a much nicer space. Can't see why Lew doesn't set up his tweet deck searches and RSS in Friendfeed. Friendfeed is the new tweet deck, specially if you can set up 6 screens like Robert. Dean
- Deano @ Byron New Media
his 3rd point is interesting - FriendFeed's inter-connection to blogging. If you blog, you had better get it linked here if you want someone to read it. So in a way FF promotes blogs, and in a way it actually can replace blogging.
- Mike Nencetti
I just created a clone of users from twitter who are not on FF. Works but does not allow the names to come through. So do not know who they come from but do see the actual tweet. Any way to get the names to come through?
- Jonathan
Jonathan, set them up as imaginary friends http://friendfeed.com/setting... Can feed all their services under their name, with a picture to make it even easier.
- Simon Wicks
FriendFeed rules, FB drools...end of story. Twitter fails so often it's ridiculous - no competition
- Susan Beebe
Susan, I don't know about your experience, but it's a long while since I saw the fail whale.
- Ian Betteridge
from BuddyFeed
And in this chat you can click "like" to send it to all your friends, or just keep it for yourself for later. You can see all your likes by visiting your friendfeed home page and clicking on "likes."
- Robert Scoble
Robert can get an e-mail every time I reply to one of his posts
- Jesse Stay
Robert, i've tried so many times to give it a shot. I think friendfeed works best if you're Robert Scoble. otherwise, lots of other folks have followers who don't engage. all the above stuff is great if people engage. but my audience isn't ultra super cutting edge geeky. mostly business folks where Facebook and Twitter is their limit. So any suggestions on how to get folks who aren't "early adopter" minded to engage?
- Christine Lu
Robert can reply to that e-mail and have it appear threaded under the post
- Jesse Stay
The feed / chat feature is amazing. no need to # anything
- Jeff
Jesse: shhh, we wouldn't want to see codemonkeyism get that there's some advanced features here that take some poking around to get. Wait until he sees the search engine here and how much more useful it is than Twitter's (and that's when Twitter's is working).
- Robert Scoble
It works for little fish like me too
- David Damore
My only beef with friend feed is I don't like the iphone client, other than that, its better.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Robert, don't tell him about direct messaging either ;)
- Jesse Stay
We can't let @codemonkeyism know that you can put your friends in lists, so you can manage your users much better.
- Robert Scoble
The search is amazing. Looking for a date, time and place someone tweeted about... it is faster to look on F2 if their content is aggregated here.
- David Damore
Luke: why do you need a client? The page works great on my iPhone and they have both a regular version and an iPhone version. But there are clients coming.
- Robert Scoble
The one thing about this site: Hate the logo, absolutely hate it. Site's alright but it's all about being where the people you want to follow/know are at.
- Chris
I think friendfeed is great for conversations while twitter is awesome for status updates. Both are awesome in their own right.
- sushaantu
Brent: don't tell him about private groups. Wired online and Venture Beat do their editorial meetings in private groups here.
- Robert Scoble
How long until this has 100 comments? Minutes?
- David Damore
Scoble has made it a side quest to convert every twitter follower of his into a Friend Feed member XD
- Reid
Christine: I thought the same, but it's like twitter, you have to have that "aha" moment where you realizie some of the capabilities of a service..I had that about 15 minutes ago, I'm sold
- John Bergoon
I wasn't going to mention the Private groups, at least not yet.
- Brent - Loving Life
Reid: and it's working with a lot of people, but there are still some who say it's nonsense and I make fun of them.
- Robert Scoble
Reid, Scoble never makes anything a side-quest unless it makes sense. Have you considered he may have a reason?
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer: Thanks for the update and high degree of accuracy. :D
- David Damore
Wait until he figures out that search here can be constrained to just specific lists of people you've picked. Wouldn't it be more useful to search for, say, "quilting" among just your quilting friends?
- Robert Scoble
(Hey, it worked on me -_- In fact, I'm not entirely sure I had heard of it before Scoble)
- Reid
dave: you can start a group and you can make it private.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still waiting for it to click... despite having believed you that you love it since we were still back in closed-beta. For me, it's still a "oh, I'd better go check over on FF for that handful of people who love it so much"
- Lucretia Pruitt
Christine I see what you mean about having your followers on ff, but as a follower of Robert and other cool people I get to have a conversation with them here that I would not get to have otherwise
- Jeff
Make sure not to tell them about audio and video in line.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed has become my real-time newspaper. I pick it up as I please, read what seems interesting, chat real-time about the news, and put it down as I please.
- Jesse Stay
dave: then only people who you invite in can see it. For instance, I have a private group at http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web can you see it? If you can, I invited you in.
- Robert Scoble
I love FF but why don't they put the latest activity first and not at the end. As I'm typing I keep getting put beneath the fold...
- Donny Mack
Robert: I just liked the way twitterfon works on the iphone, primary reason I use twitter more than friendfeed is it doesn't work as well on mobile. They make a client that can twitpic, linkshorten with bit.ly and I will most likely not use twitter anymore.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Promise not to show them how you can do multiple photos in one post.
- Louis Gray
Will @codemonkeyism actually read this thread?
- Amit Nangare
Louis: ssssshhhhh, next thing you'll tell them you can do photos. Oh, drat you already did!
- Robert Scoble
At least it's here for good reference and the friendfeeders of the future =]
- Reid
I love the functionality of FriendFeed, but I'll probably never really use it. I agree with Chris that it's about being where your friends are at. Twitter is sufficient for most of them, so that's where I'll be.
- Jamie
interesting! the private group feature is really important for businesses
- dave_blogworld
Jamie: which is why I talk about friendfeed all the time. As soon as all my friends are here, my job will be done. So far I have 40,000 here.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell anybody about the search engine that actually can go back months and months and sort by likes or people, unlike the very broken Twitter search.
- Louis Gray
I have no need for TwitPic with FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Is this conversation threaded? If so, how can I tell which replies belong to which post?
- Jim Lecter
Louis: I can actually find Chinese Earthquake Tweets here (you can't find them on Search.Twitter.com because that engine didn't index that long ago).
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer: Perhaps it is time for SOMEONE to watch your tutorial videos.
- David Damore
If this were a conversation in Twitter, then I could link to an individual comment/status. Can you not do that in here?
- Jamie
Blasphemy Louis! What you say is not possible? (really?)
- Reid
Robert I thought you would be in line to get a Palm Pre tonight
- Jeff
Jim: only a single thread. These all belong to the top level items.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell him the API is much more scalable than Twitter's
- Jesse Stay
Micah: Thanks, I'm sitting here thinking how I can start getting my friends to move over..there always giving me a hard time for jumping to the "next" thing :)
- John Bergoon
And it is late at night in most places
- David Damore
If you only use twitter maybe FF does not have a lot of value, but if you blog, use 12sec, youtube, vimeo, basically anything social media it is awesome to have all your stuff in 1 place.
- Jeff
I like Friendfeed because I can take one thread of conversation and share it with another group of friends to start another conversation. http://ff.im/3EdWm
- John Serra
John Serra: True that's a huge feature
- John Bergoon
Sanat: friendfeed can display stuff like trending topics. We call it "best of day" here. But even better, you can build your own customized trending topics. I can do trending topics by lists of people (by displaying only things that have gotten lots of likes). Plus our trends HAVE NO SPAM. Twitter's search engine is full of spam.
- Robert Scoble
XD in what? 10 minutes? (Very pro randomness going on here at FF)
- Reid
John Bergoon, let them know that everybody jumps, and that you just don't like looking in the rear view mirror :)
- Micah Wittman
Sanat - you can also try ffholic.com but that is not run by FriendFeed folks but by a third party and it gives trending topics across friendfeed and lots of other interesting stats.
- Atul Arora
F2 is also good if friends post cool content on those other sites... you visit one place to see all their content aggregated to one place
- David Damore
Which is something else we shouldn't tell that guy. Here we have decentralized moderation. For instance, if a spammer shows up here I can delete the comment. Then I can report him as a spammer. Then I can block him which removes him EVERYWHERE (on Twitter blocking doesn't remove that person from search).
- Robert Scoble
Ah yes, the all powerful BLOCK function
- David Damore
And I can't tell you about the other goodies that FF has to offer
- Brent - Loving Life
I think it was Leo Laporte's definition of Twitter as the online Dial Tone. IMO FriendFeed is far from that, it's broadband conversation set with rich content, way more powerful.
- Majento
In 20 minutes or so everyone in here will be gone and if you missed the interaction, then adding another comment doesn't seem to have much value because who is going to see it (unless you come back in and look at this thread). Whereas with Twitter, commenting later is ok, is just as visible, and is still relevant. Am I off base?
- Jamie
Twitter is a CB Radio. FriendFeed is color television with satellite.
- Louis Gray
Problem is you need another account. Too many plugs in the socket. Facebook and twitter cover 99 of ave non geek people
- The Dude Abides
And we don't have groups of real people meeting each other either
- Brent - Loving Life
Jamie: if you commented on this thread it will be at the top of "My discussions" if you come back later.
- Robert Scoble
Sanat Gersappa, I've found the sharing/re-sharing of the main group I'm subscribed to gives me the pulse of what's going sufficiently. In twitter-style trending topics serve a purpose, but they aren't tuned to my interest, whereas on FF they effectively are.
- Micah Wittman
Louis I was thinking more of FriendFeed is a cell phone, and twitter is a land line
- John Bergoon
If this were actually a fight, Twitter would have had no friends to pick him back up after the beating...
- Reid
Shh, you can click on the time stamp here and it'll open up a separate window of just this thread. Click THAT time stamp again and it'll open up a smaller window which is perfect to participate in these real time sessions.
- Robert Scoble
You can also store links for reading on FF just like a bookmarking service.
- Amit Nangare
Robert how many student from the leadership class are now on friendfeed?
- Jeff
And no one here is interested in Photography or cooking
- Brent - Loving Life
Robert: wow...timestamp click.....Epic win
- John Bergoon
Brent: it will be around forever. Oh, shhhh, another thing, friendfeed trends higher in Google due to all the additional metadata that we're putting in each item here. Oh, and the founders were superstars at Google, so they know a thing or two about search.
- Robert Scoble
And there is some what amazing customer service as well
- Brent - Loving Life
OMG I didn't know that one.. Thanks Robert for the second click on the timestamp..
- John Serra
What do you have to do to get conversations to "cascade" out to other parts of FF? On Twitter there is the retweet. How does that work here?
- Jesse P. Luna
I think FF users are getting caught up craving comments like followers on twitter...its like a game and if they dont get comments they get discouraged...the issue is probably that your thread doesnt engage very well...I learned that this week when I posted this http://friendfeed.com/garygan...
- Gary Gannon
David: right now it says "18 minutes ago" (click on it and you'll see a new window pop up in your browser).
- Robert Scoble
I've tried FF, really I've tried, but I keep giving up and sticking with Twitter. I'll let this thread give me guidance for one more try.
- Don McAllister
Brent: ssshhhh, that's another secret. Friendfeed's founders actually participate here and answer questions. Twitter's founders? Yeah, right.
- Robert Scoble
good to hear that Wired and Venturebeat are using the private room function - another small addition to the credibility of FriendFeed...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Ok, this has been very helpful in learning some of the values of Friendfeed. Definitely has some things Twitter doesn't. But I think the main thing I have learned is that I don't have time for FriendFeed. :) I can keep up with friends much quicker on Twitter - not as rich of information, but that doesn't matter because on Twitter they are (ideally) being more selective in what they post...
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- Jamie
Can you imagine the power of this thing if 200 million people were on it!
- Stephen Pickering
Brent: yeah, after 190 comments it's hard to say anything else. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Still think you need a manual to figure FriendFeed out. I'm not slamming the service. I get that it has a lot to offer ...if you're an early adopting Scoble loving geek (which I tend to be). So again, friendfeed is great for folks who want to talk to Robert Scoble. That's not a sustainable business model unless someone can tell me how it's going to be adopted by non-early adopters the...
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- Christine Lu
and I have been back here maybe a month and your point is?
- Brent - Loving Life
Christine: we had the exact same conversations about Twitter two years ago. Remember, Twitter is two years older than friendfeed is. I got to 40,000 followers here MUCH faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, plus, its DEFINITELY not more confusing than Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Christine: Stephen is right. The argument that Twitter is getting adoption because it's simple is bullshit. Twitter only has 30 million people. Facebook, which is far more complex than either friendfeed or Twitter, has 225 million on it.
- Robert Scoble
Christine: I see what your saying, Social media in general is a young thing. Its gonna take a while for any of it to really catch on mainstream. I know alot of people who still think that twitter is lame...facebook is what 4 years old now and it's just starting to got really mainstream...but it's going to end up like myspace I think
- John Bergoon
Christine Lu There are plenty of conversations that Robert Scoble does not even hear about.. Not even in English...
- John Serra
It's like advertising, Olgivy had a famous saying, the first time you see an add you say, "What is this crap!!?" The ninth time you see the add your writing out a check for the product
- Stephen Pickering
Robert -- didn't say people were on Twitter b/c it was simple. heck, most China business and non-tech folks in my areas are still not on Twitter. LOL. Just sayin' Friendfeed isn't for everyone yet. Otherwise i wouldn't feel like i'm talking to myself when i post something on my FF account. LOL.
- Christine Lu
Well, They both make sense to me. Here's why! Twitter is nice if you want to tell your followers or friends what's on your mind, while FriendFeed is nice for conversations and there is no word limit. While FriendFeed is more for RSS (at times.)
- Patrick
from twhirl
Brent: yeah, really, that reminds me of one of my favorite groups here, where people are teaching themselves to do saved searches (aka filters): http://friendfeed.com/ffss
- Robert Scoble
Well there is a limit on the length of a post , but then, oh my god, you start anther comment
- Brent - Loving Life
Christine: I hope friendfeed isn't for everyone. If it were we'd see lame people, assholes, spammers, and other unfriendly types here. It's fine with me if those types stay on Twitter. Twitter isn't going away. Twitter isn't killing Facebook. Friendfeed won't kill Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, when I first joined Twitter I felt like I was talking to myself. During one iteration I actually used it as a a to do list of sorts. Just SMS things into it that I needed to do@
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for the session, folks. Very informative.
- Jamie
Stephen: some day I'm going to try to make a list of all the people who told me that Twitter was the lamest thing they ever saw (in the early days that happened multiple times a day).
- Robert Scoble
There is a large percentage of FF topics that start at twitter
- Brent - Loving Life
stephen: I did the same thing haha twitter = to do list...Twitter as well as FF, I believe, is really only as good as the people you follow and follow you...is that correct?
- John Bergoon
I still talk to myself on Twitter. I guess i'll start on FF and give it another try. It's like LinkedIn for me. I keep going back and trying it and losing interest within a day. I'm going to Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai on geeks on a plane and asking folks in each city if they use FriendFeed. :D Wonder what the answer will be. hmm...
- Christine Lu
And you notice if you make a mistake posting your stuck, you can't edit at all or delete a post
- Brent - Loving Life
Brent: that's a good point. On friendfeed you can edit your tweets, even, to make them more accurate (or, even, to take advantage of the fact that you have more than 140 characters here).
- Robert Scoble
I've used FF like 5 times now, twice to join in on epic threads like this one, and the other times clicking around trying to figure out what to do. This thread is helping on the "what" part, just got to invest the time to figure the "how".
- Jesse P. Luna
Robert, that's so true. I was only there in the early days because I was listening to Leo's show and your blog, but I remember not thinking much of it for that first year
- Stephen Pickering
@Brent, I think you can if you use the website there is a edit button after you post.
- Patrick
from twhirl
Oh, and I love how when Tweets come in here that @scobleizer turns into a link and how when I use a URL shortener the original URL gets displayed here and if it points to a video or photo that is part of the Tweet too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: but the Power Twitter greasemonkey script does all that :P
- John Bergoon
Brent, there are limits to comment length, etc, but they are probably higher than you think (than most people realize): Kol did some great geeky research here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
BTW Christine, folks may not respond to you on Twitter every single time but we listen. Felt as if I was in Hawaii all week. :)
- Jesse P. Luna
Well, this was fun, but gotta run too. Thanks Jesse!
- Robert Scoble
Jesse Luna, stick with it, the richness in conversation and resources is big.
- Micah Wittman
yeah I'm out it's 330 here...thanks Robert..
- John Bergoon
Good night folks.... or should i say Good morning.... :)
- Amit Nangare
For Greasemonkey (Firefox) / Greasekit (Safari) inclined, and for the ff scripts (of mine) I alluded to: http://userscripts.org/users... - hope it helps someone :)
- Micah Wittman
Micah: just installed your botom comment link button and already had your hover reveal installed....small interweb :) thanks
- John Bergoon
Ah, always something new to discover. It makes the ff community a great place. Glad you like them, John. Thanks for letting me know =)
- Micah Wittman
There is one major reason not to be on FF. It's an addictive time-waster. On the other hand, as an addictive time-waster it has more value than playing scrabble or poker on Facebook or reading a stream of mindless status messages on Twitter.
- howard shippin
I have 16,000 followers on Twitter, yet find more valuable information and better conversations on FriendFeed, where far fewer people subscribe to my feed. I use FriendFeed far more than Twitter too. I LOVE FriendFeed - I LIKE Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, you can RT twitter, but you can't Like twitter (on twitter) ;)
- Micah Wittman
The funniest stuff is just the speaking the truth. In a funny way =)
- Micah Wittman
I love Robert (in an appreciative way). He has two sizable conversations going on at the same time! Amazing
- Michael Fidler
The only way I could make sense of FF was when I found imaginary friends. By creating new feeds from RSS or other sources it makes FF much more powerful. Can't link to facebook friends though....I think it's a privacy thing correct?
- Carey Lumeng
This thread is exactly why I don't like Friend Feed. I barely have time to keep up with Twitter -- I like the brevity Twitter enforces. Every time I come to Friend Feed I think of the old days of usenet and how much time it demanded if you wanted to keep up to date.
- Pete Smith
For instance, I absolutely *did not* take the time to read this whole thread.
- Pete Smith
Niether did I. But Freindfeed makes alotta sense.......
- Roberto Bonini
I also don't really think FriendFeed makes sense haha
- Hen Asraf
I would love it if Twitter users would at least sign up on FriendFeed and load their Twitter and Delicious accounts. They don't even have to use FF after that, but at least they've claimed their handles and it saves me from creating a bunch of FF imaginary friends.
- Joel Zehring
@Joel I second that ... Having my twitter feed trickle into FF through an RSS and a few imaginary friends really sucks ...
- Tom Horn
Do we really want Oprah in here though?
- JonInteractive
Pete: you just found another advantage: friendfeed filters out lazy people who don't want to learn something new. That alone explains why the community here is so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
aren't most people lazy though? which really means most people probably shouldn't be on friendfeed. which also implies arguing over its merits is a bit of a waste of time - if you like it, use it and enjoy, but why bother trying to "convert" everyone?
- Jeremy Toeman
Biggest problem with friendfeed is that on the signup page there are no videos, no how-to's, nothing. At least not that I could find.
- Greg DeVore
I just followed 258 comments. On Twitter that would be impossible.
- Sgt Ret
The implication that if a person choses not to read 258 comments on the merits of FriendFeed it means they are lazy is ridiculous. Life is finite. Information is infinite. We all constantly have to select what we feel will enrich our lives, given the short time we're alive.
- Pete Smith
Boy! This conversation sure has grown overnight! Like Sgt Ret said, this would be impossible to follow on Twitter.
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Instead of wondering if friendfeed makes any sense, I'm wondering if friendfeed makes any noise. Plays any sounds, that is.
- Chuck Baggett
This discussion has 264 comments, and 'auto-promote' itself. This is simply impossible to follow in Twitter. FriendFeed does make sense! Even if it's different from Twitter.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I've had FF for about a year or more,haven't used it as much until recently,when I found I was getting followers, it is gre8 for aggregating all of your social networks together & sharing them on twitter in one stop/step.I don't get the commentary as much as I do on twitter,but it's still a gr8 resource,feel free to follow me &share comments,etc ☺(see bio to learn more abt me)
- Patty
from twhirl
Chuck: audio files such as podcasts are supported with embedded friendfeed player =)
- Mike Chelen
"But in Juneau, as almost nowhere else in the world, climate change is having the opposite effect: As the glaciers here melt, the land is rising, causing the sea to retreat."
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from Bookmarklet
I lived in JNU for five years (2000-2005) and it receded vastly just in the time i was there. remarkable. the golf course in Gustavus is worth the trip! look up Glacier Bay Kayaks while you're there - good people, the Kadens.
- chad calease
I moved to JNU in 98 and at that time the M glacier was in front of the Nugget Falls, which you can barely make out to the right of the glacier as a faint white blur in the picture above. The falls used to flow under the glacier in 98-99. Now the glacier has retreated at least several hundred yards back from the falls. Was out there last week. Due to JNU's record breaking snow fall the...
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- Bud Curtis