Largely motivated by not wanting to keep looking at Pelton & Crane's logo, which would make any decent typographer lose their lunch: http://www.cordellnet.com/images...
- Kevin Fox
Associating your brand with pain, fear, spitting and rinsing?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: Definitely calls for a sans-serif font.
- Kevin Fox
It could be effective if it was a brand that promised to alleviate having to go to the Dentist as often... "Hate getting your teeth drilled? Should have used Crest." :)
- Frankie Warren
Heh, my dentist has a TV to watch. Custom commercials between programs might be a monetization opportunity.
- EricaJoy
I think I would despise and boycot whatever product was advertised there simply by association.
- veo
well the despising and boycotting would just be used by the competition. for example the Democrats could secretly sponsor a commercial for the Republicans: [sound of drill whirring] "Hi, this is John McCain..." [sound of drill slicing into teeth] "...I'd like to talk to you today about the Republican Party..." [burning smell] "...and ask for your support of Sarah Palin..." [pain of periodontal probe sinking into soft gum tissue]
- Karim
That's what the Amazon Kindle is, taking all the waiting moments and monetizing them by selling you books instead of you having to read crappy magazines.
- Piaw Na
My dentist has a bunch of ceiling posters, such as: http://www.dentalhealth.org.uk/shop... -- and if you search for "dental supply ceiling poster" you'll find this is a surprisingly well-supplied market.
- Stephen Mack
was it so that the content will still be treated in line with the privacy rules you had set? e.g. if I set a photo album to be visible to no-one, would they still be allowed to republish it?
- Davide D'Incau
@Davide, in the termination section : it says, the "Privacy practices" will survive the termination. I hope it means the "privacy settings".
- Olivier Castets
I removed all my info from Facebook about a year ago. I'm glad I did.
- Paul Grav
The tech geeks and privacy advocates will cry foul about this, and we are. Yet, the rest of the population, that is the majority of Facebook users won't care. And they shouldn't: the probability that this will become an issue for anyone is low. Life goes on.
- Nitesh Dhanjani
nitesh: how about you send me snaps of your family for me to do with as I wish - ? will you buy that ? no. why will " the majority of Facebook users " then ?
- atul abraham
from twhirl
@Atul. Because the majority of facebook users will not be confronted with a situation such as you describe.
- Paul Grav
@Olivier: That is what I was thinking too, but the legal texts are always hard to read for someone not practicing law ;-)
- Davide D'Incau
paul : you still dont get it, FB is going to take any image, text - whatever they please and do with it as they wish. if that doesnt strike you as very wrong, im sorry, you have no clue what you are taling about. FB was supposed to be social networking, they are now behaving like Stalin.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
and to address the point - it IS the majority who will be affected, FB can choose to " own " any and all content, as i see it the majority is already owned.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
@atul. Where have I stated, or even implied, that I believe what Facebook is doing is correct?
- Paul Grav
paul:you did not say that and i didnot assuem you did, but you said the majority wont be " confronted by a situation like .. " thats where your way wrong - it IS the majority - i have friends on FB who struggle to use the site, but they are there cos their friends are there and friends of their friends. they are going to be fed on.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
@atul. To be clear. I think that Facebook can write whatever it wants in its Facebook EULA. Personally, I think the EULA is unnecessarily nasty. Subsequently, I've chosen not to share my info with Facebook. Unless the media draws attention to the nasty parts of the EULA, most Facebook users will be oblivious to it and even if they do become aware of the problems, I doubt the majority of users will take the action that I've taken.
- Paul Grav
paul:you did not say that and i didnot assuem you did, but you said the majority wont be " confronted by a situation like .. " thats where your way wrong - it IS the majority - i have friends on FB who struggle to use the site, but they are there cos their friends are there and friends of their friends. they are going to be fed on.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
im sorry paul, i dont know one person who will allow FB to own pictuers of them with family and friends, just doesnt wash.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
anyway im on CET, its a work day, i have already alerted my network, and now im getting back to other work.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
Very concerning and also not very public to all those Facebook users.. but then they have a loose understanding of copyright issues anyway
- Ian D. Nock
from twhirl
@atul. My point is that most users are not aware of the content of the EULA.
- Paul Grav
i hear you paul, and thats why you need to tell your friends who need to tell theirs and so on. facebook is the new dumb and NASTY.
- atul abraham
from twhirl
I think the only photo I've ever posted to Facebook was one of a woman breastfeeding (goes to check if I've been censored there yet or not), Nope, looks like she's still there: http://www.facebook.com/home...
- Thomas Hawk
It isn't just content you post. Take a look at the definition of "Post", it includes content you may have elsewhere and link to in Facebook. Just posted my analysis to http://webtechlaw.com/what-fa... if you are interested.
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
@atul. I mostly ignore things that I don't like, don't agree with. Others can go inform themselves, no skin off my nose if they continue to use Facebook.
- Paul Grav
Just removed all the content I care about and won't be adding anymore
- Ace
I think people are making the EULA say more than it really does. There is another clause that limits what FB can do with the content - "each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof".
- Brian Milby
Rather than interpret the Facebook ToS, or debate whether Facebook is trustworthy, here's a specific feature request that would seem to meet the privacy needs of users and the stated privacy philosophy of Facebook: Enhance the 'Delete This Photo' feature on Facebook by adding an optional checkbox [x] I own this photo, so please replace it with a placeholder saying 'this photo has been deleted' when anyone tries to look at it (e.g. in an Inbox Message, on a Wall Post, or as part of a third party application)
- Bob Hitching
Techcrunch's summary is that "It's complicated". However, the reality is that it really is not. Facebook can easily delete content upon request (and mark the content no longer available to someone else that sees this). For example, try viewing a deleted user on Flickr. The problem is Facebook does not seem to think that it has any incentive to do so. It's a fairly simple programmatic problem.
- Jauder Ho
damn i missed this entire thread. i hate lack of bandwidth sometimes and having to use a mobile to access this site. hard to participate. maybe a blackberry client will come from Bret, Paul & Company :-)
- Om Malik
Can't tell you the amount of 'fictional brand characters" viral video ideas i've seen/rejected in the past year. That's what clients get when they walk through their traditional agency doors with the brief "we want a viral video". Oy.
- leigh himel
Well, it looks like the cat is out of the bag. Here is our Holiday Greeting to you and your loved ones. Happy Holidays! http://www.twistimage.com/itsawon...
I actually watched Spaceballs yesterday. It was on the local CW affiliate. That movie is hysterical. "Let the Schwartz be with you."
- Mol, Santa Claws
Just another reminder that tomorrow (Saturday) November 15th is the nationwide protest against Prop 8. Check here to find what's happening in your area: http://www.jointheimpact.com
I'm going to the Atlanta event at 1:30 and then maybe to the 5:00 event.
- Russellreno
Yay! I'm happy to hear that, Russel. I'm hitting up the Detroit event and then possibly high tailing it to the Lansing event.
- Mattie Kenny
Prop 8 won, it's what the MAJORITY of California votes wanted. Why keep fighting? You can still make your own choice of partners. Stop wasting taxpayers dollars to keep fighting the obvious.
- David Ward
No one's using tax payer's dollars for anything and no, the MAJORITY of California voters didn't want it. Furthermore, this isn't an issue of what people "want". This is about equality of rights. You may as well say that the entire Civil Rights movement should have stopped when Jim Crow laws were created. The inequity in those cases aren't quite the same as in this one, but the logic is the same. Fighting the obvious? What does that even mean? Absolutely nothing.
- Mattie Kenny
ohh, david ward. come on. that's kind of a sad thing to say. it really is. :(
- edythe
what do you mean the majority of voters didn't want it, It passed didn't it? WTF were the rest of the voters doing if they didn't vote? If you don't vote you have no right to complain about the issue.
- David Ward
It passed with a 4% lead. That does not make a MAJORITY.
- Mattie Kenny
Discrimination is still discrimination even if it is sanctified by the tyranny of the masses. In fact, ESPECIALLY if it is sanctified by the tyranny of the masses.
- Jeff Jones
No it passed 52% vs 48%. That is a majority. But democracy is not about "majority rules." It's about liberty. And Proposition 8 clearly infringes on liberty.
- Victor Ganata
Yea, that's 4%...to me a majority is 60% or more. I swear I said 4%.
- Mattie Kenny
A majority of those who voted in this case.
- Brian Sullivan
Not in all instances it doesn't and in my book more than half is not a majority either.
- Mattie Kenny
Not sure what book you are looking at but perhaps a dictionary would be the appropriate book in this case.
- Brian Sullivan
Greater than 50% is more specifically a "simple majority." Yes, there are certain things that need a higher percentage, but unfortunately, this wasn't one of them.
- Victor Ganata
A 2/3 majority is necessary in the Senate and House to pass an Amendment to the US Constitution. Seriously, you don't have to be a jerk and I WILL delete your comments if you become one.
- Mattie Kenny
To me, a majority is 60% or 2/3...which is really 66%, but still.
- Mattie Kenny
It's unfortunate that so many are harmed by this outcome yet I trust that if the voting had gone the other way, very few on the winning side would declare anything less than total and complete victory. And with that the losing side be damned.
- Christopher Harley
Victor - You're right. I'm aware that only a simple majority was necessary in this case. It's sad but true. I also think that rights should not be legislated away just because someone's religion doesn't like it.
- Mattie Kenny
Arguing about majorities is beside the point, though. Just because a majority wants something doesn't mean it should happen, particularly if what they want infringes on other people's rights. That's what democracy is about, protecting people's rights.
- Victor Ganata
Unfortunately, these things take time to work out, but this will get overturned, in the courts if not in the legislature. No one has a right to infringe on the basic liberties of others.
- LogEx
Christopher - If someone wanted to contest it because of a simple majority win, more power to them. It comes down to the simple fact that discrimination is discrimination is discrimination no matter who is supporting it. Creating second class citizens is NOT acceptable.
- Mattie Kenny
Prop 8 is not infringing on anyone's civil liberties. Same sex marriage, in the legal sense, goes against our countries foundation. Same sex couples already have more rights than non married hetro couples do, isn't that enough? You can get married in your own ceremony, who cares if it's not recognized by the church or state? Why does that matter? It seems that all gays want to do is push their beliefs on everyone else and that infringes on me and my family.
- David Ward
enough about what is and isn't a majority. In this case, more people voted for it than against it so that is a majority.
- David Ward
How do they have more rights than hetero couples? That is blatantly NOT true. In the legal sense, a marriage is a contract entered into by two individuals and it should not matter their gender. That contract gives the two acting member certain rights that no other contract gives. These are the rights gays are asking for. Furthermore, by making sure that the contract is still called a marriage contract, they are protecting their adoption rights as well. I could care less if a religion recognizes a
- Mattie Kenny
same sex marriage (and I think most gays also feel this way). What same sex marriage is about is getting the same rights that hetero couples regularly receive without a passing glance.
- Mattie Kenny
David, would you care to explain "Same sex marriage, in the legal sense, goes against our countries foundation."? I really don't understand that.
- LogEx
one example of a right that same sex couples have is healthcare. If one has a medical plan, your domestic partner can be added on to the policy. If an unmarried couple had the same insurance, the domestic hetero partner could not be added unless they were married. This is discrimination.
- David Ward
I might go to the one in Buffalo, since it's in walking distance from where I live. It depends on the weather and how I'm feeling. What gets me are those individuals who say if they legalize same sex marriage then they will want to legalize a marriage of a human and an animal. *rolls eyes* I'm not kidding, I've heard this before.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Yes, and more folks voted against interracial marriage, and for separate but equal. That does not make them right. With interracial marriage and other Jim Crow laws, these were voted on in the Senate and House. With separate but equal, it was the Supreme Court who voted. Discrimination is still discrimination whether it's legal or not.
- Mattie Kenny
David, also... "It seems that all gays want to do is push their beliefs on everyone else" - I think it's really happening the other way around. Your church doesn't have to recognize or perform gay marriages. This is basic issue of Constitutional liberties that all citizens deserve, regardless of any personal characteristics.
- LogEx
David - homosexual domestic partners only have that right BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET MARRIED.
- Mattie Kenny
Molly- I'm glad to hear that! I understand the weather can really inhibit your drive, but try to remember that this is important to a lot of people (and hopefully to you). I know it's pretty abstract a notion, but sometimes it helps me get the drive I need to do things even when it's cold and I feel blah. A cup of coffee and some jolly ranchers can do WONDERS out in the cold. :)
- Mattie Kenny
Liberals are what's wrong with the USA. There's no morals left but yet liberals want to blame conservatives for all of the problems. Funny..not.
- David Ward
As a nation of voters, emotionally hamstrung by social mores, we consistently push for the right to administer negative sanctions to enforce normative behavior. That quality would remain constant regardless of how one voted on this matter.
- Christopher Harley
And now you're getting blocked, David. You took what was an actual conversation and turned it into nonsense. You saw yourself without an actual argument and instead resorted to ad hominem attacks and straw men. Had you not made that last comment, you would still be in this conversation.
- Mattie Kenny
David, I'm not hearing rational arguments, only name-calling. What, exactly, are the founding principles that you refer to that validate discrimination? by the way, I'm not a "liberal" (what does that even mean anymore?), I'm a fiscally conservative, libertarian-leaning social progressive.
- LogEx
"All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. But rule by the majority is not necessarily democratic: No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities" (usinfo.state.gov).
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Wow Jack. Thank you. That more or less is what the argument in this thread is over. I love you. Omg. I'm in love with you, Jack. Marry me? Please?
- Mattie Kenny
I fought in a war to defend this country from those who think "might makes right". Now elements within our own country are restricting the rights of citizens for no better reason their particular god doesn't like gay people. Too bad. Your god isn't a part of our government. With more enlightenment, Blacks who voted for 8 will eventually understand the parallels between our situations and vote for equal rights for all.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Indeed. I think there are some distinct differences in the Civil Rights movement and the Gay Rights movement, but the similarities between our struggle and the struggle blacks endured during the Civil Rights movement are too obvious to be ignored for too long.
- Mattie Kenny
hence Jack, et al the Bill of Rights, which is the grounds to challenge Prop 8 and win
- sofarsoShawn
Indeed. I'm glad there are efforts being made to challenge Prop 8. What really needs to happen is that the gay rights movement has to really centralize itself as the Civil Rights movement did. Although the situations are somewhat different, I think it would still be a good idea to model the gay right movement more closely after the Civil Rights movement with a very social media approach attached to it.
- Mattie Kenny
I know this pushes the discussion outward but I'll add it anyway. Let's not forget that there is a small minority out there, a minority whom we seldom consider worth our attention, that would benefit from a reordering of marriage rights; polygamists. Perhaps we can learn to accept the rights of those who consciously choose this lifestyle for themselves without first demonizing their...
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- Christopher Harley
I am fine with polygamy when it is with consenting adults. Unfortunately, most polygamists have child/teen brides etc., or at the very least this is all you hear about.
- Mattie Kenny
I, too, am fine with polygamy when it is with consenting adults. Unfortunately, I, unlike yourself, am not able to determine if most polygamists have child/teen brides [EDIT-or grooms for that matter].
- Christopher Harley
In most polygamist communities, the men are the ones who have multiple brides, not the women with multiple grooms. I never said I was able to to determine this. I'm only saying this from the information I've gathered thus far. Hence why I say "or at the very least, this is all you hear about" because I am not an authority and am not placing myself as such.
- Mattie Kenny
I know a number of polyamorists who are, and whose partners are, all consenting adults. (Some are men with more than one partner, some are women with more than one partner.) It would be downright straight-forward to legalise polygamy without making it legal for a child/teen/goat to be drawn into the arrangement.
- Deborah Fitchett
James Madison figured this all out 200 years ago. The purpose of democracy is to prevent the tyranny of the majority. We are seeing that tyranny now. Hopefully democracy will be strong enough to overcome it. Anyone who thinks this nation was founded on majority rule failed Civics 101.
- Victor Ganata
Oh, I was referring to polygamy rather than polyamory. I consider them two very different things as do most people in the polyamory/polygamist communities. I am polyamorous myself and live that lifestyle. Polygamy is much different in my eyes than polyamory.
- Mattie Kenny
To David: It sounds that you are a very ignorant because of that ignorant liberal comment you made. I could easily say Conservatives are the most bigoted people and they have ruined the USA because of it. I'm sorry, David, but you really need to get some education about things. I so despise ignorant people like you. *rolls eyes* Oh and I will try to go to the protest. It's just a 15 minute walk for me to get there.
- Mol, Santa Claws
What's the difference you see between polygamy and polyamory? Other than that polygamy is presently illegal in our parts of the world. Certainly there's a history of it being practised in an exploitative way, but then the same is true of monogamy.
- Deborah Fitchett
I know South Bend is democratic, and they haven't reported, but I don't know the populations of the rurals areas, so it is difficult to tell what the current numbers mean.
- Bret Taylor
They haven't reported yet for Gary, right? That's going to be very strong Obama. The rural areas are pretty sparsely populated.
- Ana
Why can't CNN make the same interface they are using on these flat-screen-touch TVs online? It is way better than what they have on their website. I bet the team that designed the touch interface didn't talk to the team that did the online interface.
- Michael Leggett
Most likely wouldn't help anyone that way unless they targeted ones in this mess, which means they get rewarded for being idiots. How would we get that tax money back from individuals that can't be trusted to even pay their other debts?
- xero
xero - you think we are going to get this money back at all?
- Yolanda
Yes, an amount to 10 million home owners with mortgages because -- according to the gov't -- the housing is the center to the crisis.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
How about refinancing everyone's mortgages so that the interest rate is 2% or lower. That would free up a lot of capital.
- Lindsay
Wouldn't work. Inflation would take over, prices would skyrocket because everyone has money.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If $700 billion went to each individual 18+ in America, each would have...what...$2,500 to spend, roughly? That would cover maybe one or two months of a mortgage? I don't see how that would be a long-term solution, even assuming each would spend all that money on their mortgage.
- Brent Newhall
I think a majority would spend it on beer and a big screen TV. More money for China.
- Jeff P. Henderson
You have two choices. Bail out the banks or bail out the homeowners. Both are guilty and both undeserving. But keeping people in their houses is definitely the least-evil of the two options.
- Eric P
Do I think we'll actually get that money back directly? No, never. Giving it to us directly would be irresponsible. It would be better to come back to us through other means. Perhaps as grants for various related areas, like improving your home, or to aid in city planning/clean up, etc. Ethics warrant that it shouldn't be used for the gov't get into private business without the profits aiding the source of the money. Though legally, we paid it, gov't owns it, they can do whatever they want with it.
- xero
If we actually made anything here, that money might make it back to the U.S economy. Instead, it would flow overseas. No help.
- Steve Lowe
Yeah, because we don't manufacture anything in this country.
- Alex Scoble
Hmm, there was Mike Huckabee's I-95 idea, which, although it wouldn't target homeowners per se, would target construction in general.
- Ontario Emperor
Use the $700B to invest $3,000 in a six month CD for every US citizen.
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Don't forget that we've already had a $150 billion tax rebate stimulus. What did that accomplish?
- Morton Fox
Stallman advises users to stay local and stick with their own computers. Shoulda asked him to invest in oponia :-b http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol...