Through the magic of retweeting, you've contributed to a discussion of online vs offline identity at PodCamp Montreal this morning. (hope you don't mind, but thanks) - Linda Mills
Jyri, thank you for the clear thinking about social network and the hope for future developments. (I'm also excited and eager to see where Jaiku's headed and wishing we'll see that soon!) - Linda Mills
“I posted a comment on Plurk that I didn't like it, didn't get it. They got all mad that I didn't reply to their "conversation." Is every statement a conversation? Um, no.”
Good point Chris. Plurk is a valuable microblog (microforum) yet does have a certain drama factor that's impossible to dismiss. - "Czar" DJ Peterman
I just don't like the headless avatars. FREAK ME OUT. - Eric Schlissel
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those headless critters do me in! and don't get me started on that stupid karma concept...lameO. I do like the visual timeline, but it's too cluttered if you follow more than 100 people... FAIL - Susan Beebe
Leo Laporte has been having the same problem on his forums. Seems like you are not allowed to have personal views these days. It also seems like now, when I start yelling at the brick wall, the brick wall starts yelling back...crazy man, just crazy. - Bob Blunk
Every statement is not an invitation to converse, but when the statement is about not liking where you are, it's not surprising that you got a response. Sticking to meal reports would be safer! - Linda Mills
I think Plurk responses are similar to FF comments; people are having a conversation about what you posted, and there is a certain expectation that you're aware that people can and do reply.. Except on Plurk, you have the option to turn off replies on a per-message basis. So if you want to make a statement that isn't a conversation, you have a few choices: Twitter, Plurk with replies turned off, a blog with comments turned off, et cetera. - Teel McClanahan III
@Linda, exactly. Chris, with all due respect, you can't come onto plurk - say "you're sorry, you don't like it" (or something to that effect) as your plurk - and then not expect to get a reaction/comments. - Zee from WeDoCreative
Man, it so so good to see some people sticking up for the coolness of aspects of plurk. It feels like to a certain degree - Plurk has been cool to dislike because a lot of the 'web celebs' have slated it. - Zee from WeDoCreative
But here's one for the crowd. What if I don't like it? I'm supposed to be all kool-aid about it? You know, it's very likely that we will find things in the social media universe we don't like. Want another? Second Life. Great if you like it. Just nothing going on there for me. I don't mind that people want to explain why it's great. I just don't chose to go for it. - Chris Brogan
i'm pretty sure you'd get that reaction from the Twitter loyalists too. Or any service with a loyal following for that matter. So you don't get it. Isn't that what most people said about twitter at first? I know i did, and the same with Plurk. You may not have used the service enough to really know it's value. Or maybe you did, and just don't like it. fair enough. But you can't come on there, say you don't like it, an expect everyone to be hunky dory with that. They're not hating on you, just questioning. - Chris Cavs
i have found plurk to be too clunky for my taste. I'm still giving it an honest effort. It's just not a format that resonates with me yet. - Richie Escovedo
I opened a Plurk account, tried it out, but could never really get the hang of it. I earned enough karma to re-design my page, which is cool, but I still do not have the time nor patience to familiarize myself with it. Bah! That being said, I'll still mess around with it from time to time. Overall, not my social hub of choice. - David
i think plurk is a great interface...looking to solve a different problem than microblogging. for example, plurk as a team project management tool could be interesting. everything doesn't have to become the next twitter. - .LAG
See, and I like Plurk, but I think that its usefulness depends a lot on who you're friends with there. For me, Plurk solves a lot of the problems I have with Twitter (easy following of conversations, being able to walk away and easily see what you missed). Twitter feels very needy to me, if I'm not looking at it constantly I'm missing the conversation. A lot of the people I liked talking to on Twitter didn't join/get Plurk, so it feels like a tug of war. - Teel McClanahan III
Hmm... let me put that another way: For me, What's good about Twitter is the people that use it, forcing information through the limited tool it provides, and what's good about Plurk is the tool itself, the way it allows me to connect and communicate with people easily. @Chris, I didn't see your Plurk or the conversation that followed directly, but this statement and your blog post give the impression you *don't want* conversation/comments/responses. - Teel McClanahan III
FUBAR! Do not like it? Not happy? Take a walk! No one is here to please and entertain you! - Igor The Troll
But if you consider your followers as part of your entourage you maybe forced to feed them! I guess depends on your style! - Igor The Troll
the one thing annoying about riding a segway is yes, you are basically standing for a long time. Using it for filming a parade, I wanted nothing more than to sit down, even tho I covered amazingly more ground than I could walking. - Eric Rice
I'd bet you'd have to have pretty good balance to use one of them, too. How many people who have to use motorized chairs can maintain balance for any length of time? - Linda Mills
Hard to say, but that's what the big deal is about Segway tech.. it balances. The 'thinking' that was hyped is really about the extremely subtle balance of weight that happens in the balls and heels of your feet. So if I took a step toward you, your mind talks to your body and very subtly shifts your weight. Try walking to close into a wall (but heh don't hit it) and notice your feet. - Eric Rice
I've got to try one - I see them all over the city now. My father's wheelchair-bound, though, and I'm understanding how the fear of falling and the lack of feedback with his balance are contributing to his decline. This was just a comment on how "not being able to walk" is the result of a constellation of factors. My WiiFit tells me I'm still doing OK.... - Linda Mills
Eric, I wonder if you sit down, whether there would be enough detectable torque in your body position to automatically control the device. You wouldn't want false triggering, so however you'd decide to make the platform move, you'd need to be careful. - Loren Heiny
There are seat attachments but yeah I dunno, I've had that same question about balance. - Eric Rice
The emperor has no clothes. What I find most interesting in the denial stories is that people are sending tweets to the owners/originators of the service, thinking that will help. I'd rather see the efforts go to follow-up on the recent mainstream press that twitter's been getting. ABCNews and USAToday need a follow-up story, perhaps? - Linda Mills
concur - i'm now using hellotxt to post my status to identi.ca - twitter - facebook & friendfeed status is either native or via identi.ca (the only time i go back to twitter is for replies (which i see in ff via summize) & dm's which notify me via email - i still have lots of twitter only friends thus haven't fully abandoned it yet - mike "glemak" dunn
I think it is time to evangelize the alternatives and devangelize Twitter. This is now going to happen, the question is whether it happens cleanly and in a controlled manner or messy and in a clusterf*** panic. - Dave Slusher
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For some reason, twitter was the only 2.0 app I never registered for - not my style, but also a certain premonition that this was not going to last. - Bora Zivkovic
You're right, Dave. I just get all old-school when something like this happens. I only wish it were an easy task to budge people away from what they find familiar. I'm beginning to think that if all people care about is how the screen looks, they're not worth the follow, anyway. They're certainly not worth it if they can't see the value in in-line commenting! - Linda Mills
Bora, for the longest time I thought it was too trivial to bother with. When I started using it, I realized I was wrong about that. However, shortly after it became apparent that this interaction was too important to trust Twitter with. - Dave Slusher
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that's absolutely the right way to position it - too important to trust twitter with - right on... - mike "glemak" dunn
I posted this an hour ago and it is lighting up on FriendFeed. This might be the most like and comment density I've ever had. It's like on a grade school playground, once fists get thrown everyone gathers around in a big circle. - Dave Slusher
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"too important to trust twitter with" Thanks, I think I'm going to use that ;) - Jason Carreira
Twitter quickly needs to figure out how to let real friends authenticate their interest in really following real people because this anti-spam algorithm being used right now is anti-social. - Bernie Goldbach
He's not alone: http://getsatisfaction.com/twi... I follow some of the people that got deleted and they were certainly not spammers! Is there still hope for Twitter? :( - Alja Sulcic
This is bad on many levels: It sucks to see my friend get screwed. It sucks more to see this happen to many people. And, ultimately, we'll stay. Now, what can we do as users to either a) vocalize our collective irritation, or b) migrate somewhere else? Can we mass-migrate? We would need leaders with balls... People with lots of followers, willing to urge them to go elsewhere. Chris, do you have balls? - Dan Patterson
This is starting to sound like another story of grasping failure from the jaws of success. - Rob Diana
@Dan - that's actually why I went to check out Jaiku. Thing is, there's no summize. There's no way to slice and dice the stories, so for someone with a larger audience (me), I can't accurately *see* everyone, and that sucks. So for ME, the requirements of shifting are: SMS or a 3rd party client, a way to see who's talking about what (robust search with RSS options), and ideally, a way to port social graphs (but I'm not holding my breath on the last one). - Chris Brogan
Yup, my twitter account was deleted. No word why yet. - Connie Crosby
victims include @conniecrosby @pfanderson @narain @skalik @marjanpanic @davedelaney at a minimum - Patricia F. Anderson
Chris, have you explored Identi.ca more? I'm REALLY pleased so far ... no SMS yet, but there's track through IM, robust search, and integration with Posty and Twhirl. New features + apps everyday. MOST important: it's open source and federated, so YOU own your data, and WE can fix bugs instead of waiting a year for someone else to. - Marina Martin
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I follow Jyri on twitter; he's one of the guys who started Jaiku, which was sold to Google. It sounds like Google is close to integrating it, so there might be some movement there soon. In the pre-sale days, Jaiku went straight to Google so I'd search there, and this probably still works. I wouldn't dismiss Jaiku just yet. - Linda Mills
Other things about Jaiku that I guess few knew: they had groups from almost the beginning, and the on/off features of what you could see, much like how it is on FriendFeed, was always part of the service. I only wish they'd let more people in so they could see for themselves... - Linda Mills
Any word from twitter about what exactly happened? Why these users were selected? Why they were reinstated? No info on the twitter status page. http://status.twitter.com/ - Steve Garfield
hmmmm, not good. These services have way too much power to delete people. - Robert Scoble
The question is: can we keep up the noise until @biz and @ev have to respond appropriately? - Neil Weisenfeld
I see lots of people migrating to identi.ca.. good service. i'm on there as unclr as well - Roger R
WHY did this happen? Twitter is shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly lately... I seriously question their Management abilities to run twitter. They lack so many fundamental customer service and IT web app dev mgmt skills it's scary. I only use twitter occasionally as I, and many others, have happily migrated over to Identi.ca where they really seem to care about their users and release new features very often (also real open to suggestions). Check it out --> http://identi.ca/susanbeebe - Susan Beebe
The concept of "OpenMicroBlogging" needs support from the likes you all. Twitter, FriendsFeed etc. are private gardens where the owners can do as they like. Read this critique by Fidler -- http://bit.ly/3IP9VY ; we need to strengthen the "Open Network Service" idea. As leaders you can make a difference. - tom sparks
Know what's silly about identi.ca ? There's no easy "Chris is being followed by" page so I can figure out who I haven't added back. C'mon. Make it easier for me to build relationships (again) please. - Chris Brogan
Chris, there is a page that shows who is following you, linked from your profile page: http://identi.ca/chrisbrogan/s... Are you looking for a list of people who are following you that you don't follow back? I think that would be convenient, too... especially in reverse chronological order. - Evan Prodromou
@Evan - that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. In Twitter speak there used to be Twitter Karma, and that would say something like, "People following you that you're not following." That's the feature I'm hoping for. - Chris Brogan
Some of Twitter's strongest user-advocates found themselves kicked off the service on August 1. Thanks to Plurk and other social networks, the message got out, but the frustration was slower in resolving. - Linda Mills
Some of Twitter's strongest user-advocates found themselves kicked off the service on August 1. Thanks to Plurk and other social networks, the message got out, but the frustration was slower in resolving. - Linda Mills
This is beyond strange to me. Heck, if they'd ask me, I could point them to a lot of people who are flying too close to the rules here. Dave sure isn't one of them! - Linda Mills
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So where's all this leading, I hear you ask. And what's it all got to do with rubbish collections? Well, when I first came to Taiwan and was walking through the streets of Taipei I heard an ice cream van. It was very definitely an ice cream van. I mean, why else could I hear a plinky-plonky version of Beethoven's Für Elise? It was only when I suggested to Richard that we buy a cornet (I would have loved a 99 - you know, one of those with the chocolate flake in...) that he told me it wasn't an ice cream van but the bin men. It turns out that the bin lorries in Taipei all play tunes so that the residents know when the refuse collectors/rubbish removal men/waste disposal operatives are approaching. - Mark Forman
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Graham's a talented podcaster, too. It's a Frog's Life Acoustic Podcast, all the way from Liverpool. - Linda Mills
Ahh a scouse podcaster. Didn't know that. - Mark Forman
“So, I haven't seen anything said about it but aside from the self-referential qik/seesmic/twittering and talk about 'the hallways' what Serious shit came thundering out of Podcamp Boston? Action items? Big thinkin' stuff? Anyone have some links to the next big science?”
It looks like nothing...i haven't seen anything new/interesting/educational. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but it was like YearlyKos last year. Nothing interesting/educational/useful to write about happened at that event. Seems the only interesting web conference this past weekend was Blogher in SF. - Anika Malone
Heh! I like your take. Based solely on the schedule published before PodCamp Boston (I wasn't able to go), it was all about the marketing and the social-media-networking-buzzqord-compliance. You don't hear much about becoming a better producer, or getting new people excited about these days. - Shelly Brisbin
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I want to make something perfectly clear, most of this questioning came from listening to several people THERE who were like WTF. And I already know what the textbook 'networking' answers are, so save that for Twitter. I want balls in a vice here. What bad-assed thing went down? - Eric Rice
I'm also asking because I bet those that WENT who didn't get shit out of it, are possibly afraid to post because the cheerleaders will show up and shit perpetual sunshine down their throats about the thing. So I'm doing the proxy thing. - Eric Rice
I think people are still stuck on the bacn concept that came out of PodCamp Pittsburgh last year. Meanwhile I'm creating and publishing content. - Rob Safuto
I didn't go to PCB3; I also didn't get a hit via cellphone about any epic socials and parties going down after the sessions ended (so, I stayed at the epic social and party I was at during that weekend). I think everyone at PCB3 went to bed at 9PM. Marinate. - Do You KNOW Clarence?
The Fortune Conference is pretty good so far. But I just don't feel that impelled to write about it which is ironic because I am sitting in a session about transparency hosted by Esther Dyson and Kevin Kelly, journalist from Wired. - Robert Scoble
Was the Fortune Conf a part of Podcamp? - Eric Rice
lol eric calling out robert on his highjacking of your thread - nice ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
eric my answer was aimed at Faboo. The Fortune thing is in Half Moon Bay going on now. - Robert Scoble
pcb thus far seems like a pay to party/network event meh - adolfo foronda
Haven't heard a thing except veiled tittering about after hours secrets. And that a grand was raised for a local foodbank (think "no tax write-off" here...). I'm thinking SXSW without the global clientele. Sorry not to see some hands-on Joe Walmart involvement. Or an attempt at streaming or recording that wasn't hand-held. Guess the community's gotten a lot smaller... - Linda Mills
One month after I graduated from high school in Ceres California. - Russellreno
I was 15 and eventually got NASA to send me one of my most prized possessions... an original Apollo 11 flight plan... for making some suggestion that I can now no longer remember. If you haven't seen the recent Discovery channel series, and you love the space program, you gotta watch it! - Michael Lehman
My dad had built a new Heathkit color TV in the months before this using his GI bill so he had a new TV for this event. He had all of the neighbors over to watch. I'll never forget one of the older men swearing it was a hoax, no way a man was walking on the moon up in the sky. I was 10, and I decided then that I was never going to stop keeping up with science and technology. Look where that has got me today. :-) - Charlene Kingston
I was 14, at the Newport Folk Festval in Newport, RI. Someone had a black and white TV plugged into the car battery of VW minivan and hundreds of people watched while some great folk musician was playing on stage. It was an amazing event, people couldn't believe it was actually happening. - Dave Winer
I was -28, and busy not being born. I'm happy I could see stuff like this now... - Yuvi (has IRL friends!)
Wow...I wasn't even alive. That certainly would have cool to be around for. - Jill, Superhero Librarian
I wasnt born yet either, but I feel like I can relate to how amazing of a moment it was. At the time, was there any feat humans had undertaken more spectacular? I consider this to be one of the most amazing feats ever still today. - Andrew Baron
This rocks. I watched it on TV...and thanks for reminding me. I can recall it like it was yesterday. - Neil Vineberg
Later that summer was Woodstock. And in October the Mets won the World Series. - Dave Winer
i was a kid in grade school .. I remember the words .. vividly ,, One small step for man , one giant leap for mankind ,,, - johnpiercy
I was in Thailand and very lucky to have been able to see it there - Herb Myers
I got to see the last moon landing made via Kindergarten - Fred Grott
Thanks so much for this. In an instant I was back at our shore house, sitting with parents and grandparents and sibs, only a few weeks before I left them all to go off to college. What a sense of wonder and hope and possibilities that time held! Live TV from the moon - the unbelievable, seen with our own eyes. (To her dying day, though, my grandmother blamed every subsequent hurricane on those guys jumping around up there, but then she was sceptical about automobiles, too... she had seen it all!) - Linda Mills
Yeah i remember every minute, its very excited to me cos i wanna be an astronaut that day :) - Muge Cerman
Come on, everybody know it was all filmed in the basement of a Hollywood studio, don't you guys read the internet? :-) - Ruud van Wijngaarden
As a little kid, I remember being rather bitter that I had been born a few weeks too late... I really wanted to have been born the day Armstrong stepped out. Nothing in my lifetime has felt even fractionally as inspiring as the moment I barely missed. - Roger Benningfield
And will we all get to watch the process? This could be entertaining. - Trish R
I was hoping for a Legends of the Hidden Temple style challenge; Olmec tells you: "You could start by becoming a Robert Scoble sycophant, then by smashing the clay pots to find the key, then write a blog post about Steve Gillmor, which will unlock the room to the shrine of the silver monkey! The choices are yours and yours alone!" http://video.google.com/videop... - Mark Trapp
Man Louis, you're making meeting my goals really hard! - Justin Korn
at the risk of being permanently blocked, ladies, does the size of a guy's friendfeed follow list matter? - .LAG
Oh yeah, why does the last criteria always have to be money? I have none. So unfair. ;-) - Mathew A. Koeneker
This is great Sunday evening entertainment! Thanks Louis! ha, ha! .... glad I am a lady that you already subscribe to. The men sure do have an uphill challenge to get on your subscribe list! - Susan Beebe
Good thing he already added me on Twitter. :) - Zach Flauaus
I've considered, just for the fun of it, adding this as a feature on SocialToo - what do you think??? ;-) - Jesse Stay
#1 Humorous post. #2 When you refer to "gender", you should refer to "assumed gender", as - for some Twitterers / Friendfeeders - there is no way to tell for sure (not immediately, at least) who is hiding behind some user names / avatars. #3 As a matter of basic human principle, segregation should be banned, be it linked to gender, age, nationality, religion, language, sexual preference, health etc. - Pierre-Philippe Martin
I have 5 right now, and one private room. - Phil Glockner
good overview for the uninitiated - i have 8 imaginary friends currently - mike "glemak" dunn
I love my imaginary friends. Waiting to hear that Scoble has 20,000 of them. - Michael Markman
I have too many real friends to have time for imaginary ones! :-) - Robert Scoble
Hmm. I've been using this but have missed a couple events from my "imaginary" friends (who are blog-only, but those are blogs I've followed for a long time, and I want to look at every event, if there are new ones) in the noise of "actual" friends (have more sources, and are noisier... and there are other followers to "bump" the interesting events for me.) Is there a technique to make sure new posts from imaginary friends bubble to the top until they've been dismissed somehow? I can't see imaginaries "replacing Google Reader" (or Bloglines for that matter) until there's some sort of unread/checkoff feature for them. - Wade Dorrell
I have a dozen or so. Does Friendfeed inform you if one of your "imaginary friend" feeds get included in a real profile? That way, when an imaginary friend joins for real, I can clean up my list. - Jason Huebel
I set them up for the unenlightened twitter denizens so that I could see their tweets here. It was interesting, though, to see that they won't be deleted when the "real" person sees the light.... - Linda Mills
Good example of what I was talking about... I just found Jason Howell's Friendfeed. I had his twitter feed in my imaginary friends. - Jason Huebel
what I'd like to see is the ability to add "imaginary" sources to the accounts of real friends. There are a couple people i follow who don't import, say, their Twitter feeds, or their bookmarks, into Friendfeed, but I still want to see them. The way things stand now, I could create an imaginary friend for those feeds, but I want to splice them into existing accounts instead. - Nathan Rein
Assigning a feed to a private room is a great way to take private notes on feed items. - Tom Landini
Update: "For some reason, I totally blanked on the fact that Justin Korn wrote up his experience using FriendFeed as an RSS reader and organizer on his own blog. I feel especially bad because I encouraged Justin to write it! Honestly, I feel like a complete heel. When it comes to giving credit, I have a thing or two to learn. My unreserved apologies, Justin." http://blog.justinkorn.com/ind... - Phil Glockner
Thanks J, but my name is Korn :) Thanks for the credit. - Justin Korn
Oh, and thanks for the encouragement as well. I needed the extra nudge. - Justin Korn
Ok ok. We are both awesome. But I promise to do better in the future. Thanks for the great idea! - Phil Glockner
hint hint... all my enemies are imaginary friends. if you hate my guts and are on twitter. guaranteed I'm watching you. makes Panopticons pointless - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
i have 10 imaginary friends and blocked them all - too noisy! xD - Dieter Schwarz
thanks for another helpful tip....I am getting there :-) - Richard Binhammer
I've added quite a few, mainly for my favourite flickr users as I get to see ALL their photos and not just the latest 5 like on flickr itself. - Kol Tregaskes
Gone are the post-its on the walls with proposed and requested sessions, a la barcamp, which is too bad. Maybe there should be more people saying, "Everyone has something to learn, and everyone has something to say." Ideas, anyone, on how to get back that cooperative spirit? - Linda Mills
EEK! What about a straight RSS feed??? (Len, do you have time to ask that?) - Linda Mills
We also do use a straight RSS feed for PMF, Linda. Not sure if Mike will mention that. - Annie Boccio
The limitations and, (more imprtant to me) the latency of iTunes create more problems that it's worth, if you ask me. I particularly dislike how they decide when I haven't listened according to their schedule! - Linda Mills
