Also, "Shiny Toys and Glossy Gimmicks" perfectly sums up the Annoyed Librarian. "Her" blogging isn't about anything substantial, it's just a gimmick to get attention.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I assume that AL is the only reason LJ gets traffic, or they'd cut it loose.
- Steve is older than ever
There was a reason I stopped reading AL and you've pretty much nailed it on the head. Nicely put.
- Jennifer McDaniel
interestingly, my personal print LJ subscription expired back in August or so. They keep sending me the damned thing though. I wonder if that would work for the other Elsevier publications we subscribe to...
- DJF
I appreciate the comments on this blog post. Some thoughtful perspectives there.
- Laura Norvig
Yes, thank you Laura for reminding me. I'm actually kinda thrilled that there is a constructive conversation happening. Yay!
- Mary Carmen
There are even some thoughtful comments on some of AL's posts, but it seems that the ability to be anonymous there supported a lot of snark and hatefulness. Sad.
- Laura Norvig
well most llamas need to eat, and we love non-drama llamas. so 'don't feed the drama llamas, lest they propagate' (they are like Gremlins after all)
- JSNFLMNG
I'm down with the anti-drama llama sentiment, but, which drama? What negativity? Where? Seriously, I feel like I must be missing something.
- marthalib
Martha: my assumption: library 101 and abrams were the two biggest issues around town the past week or so.
- Fiona Bradley
don't look or it will suck you in. that is what the drama llama is counting on. it's like medusa that way
- JSNFLMNG
Likely so, Fiona. I feel like I just walked up to a conversation at a party midstream. Not sure that vague accusations of negativity are that helpful either, but I understand that no one wants to feed the drama llama.
- marthalib
Oh, yeah, and I don't read the Annoyed Librarian :) Not worth it.
- marthalib
I love drama when it comes from people getting really het up over stuff that matters to them.
- Steve is older than ever
martha, trust me, it's not vague, nor an accusation. Purely accurate description: There have been lots of personal disparagements and attacks flying around in re: the Annoyed Librarian, Library 101, and SirsiDynix, in addition to a bunch of generalized FF drama that's bleeding into other discussions. I was beginning to wonder if we were in some scary astrological phase, or if the moon...
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- Jenica
I'm with you on that sentiment, Jenica. We shouldn't be all happy-happy all the time, but we should be constructive. I think the experiment around the SirsiDynix paper to refute it line by line is interesting, but too nitpicky for me. Let's strategise about the issue of librarians being reluctant to investigate open source instead. I'd like to see AL be positive once in a while. I'd like to see some response videos to Library101 and alternate 101 lists.
- Fiona Bradley
Well, it's vague in that jambina didn't point out who exactly she was talking about and it's an accusation in that one person's drama is another person's controversy/debate.
- Steve is older than ever
Okay, Steve, point taken. But personal attacks are personal attacks, and I'm not backing down on that one. :)
- Jenica
I think the biggest thing thats bothering a lot of people is the personal attacks against folks. I wonder if jambina was vague so as not to give the AL any more press and linkage than she already gets
- Sir Shuping
I'm all for being constructive and doing things. With all due respect to you, Jenica, and to Amy, I do think the in forming thoughts post was vague. "Accusations" was perhaps too strong a word and I apologize for that. I just don't feel like I've been trapped in a bubble of negativity online. Sure, there have been criticisms of Library 101 and SirsiDynix (thanks for clarifying that...
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- marthalib
that's great, Martha, I'm glad it's not affecting you the way I'm feeling it. I hope that it passes quickly, and that there are more people feeling what you are than what amy and I are. And that the moon regains its rightful orbit, or whatever...
- Jenica
I feel like there are two ways to stem "drama" or unconstructive discussions: ignore it, or participate in a more genuine and humane fashion. Talking about drama *is* drama. (Reminder: my bachelor's degree is in drama.)
- Steve is older than ever
You can fight the fire, stoke the fire or use the fire constructively.
- Pete
it was always burning since the world's been turning
- Jenica
hola todos - it was intentionally vague. i'm seeing it online and in real life in a lot of different areas of libraryland. i was worried it would come off as me being against criticism (i think most folks know i love a good debate/critique) but then i thought i'd just let it be. enough people call me a pollyanna already, what's a few more ; ) and Steve - the post was basically me saying i'm ignoring this drama, which i know feeds into the drama, so, oops. (also, i nearly failed drama in high school.)
- jambina
I think there was a lot of deeply personal reaction to seeing good friends and colleagues attacked, and I understand the "can't we all just get along" public reactions. I see them more as a show of support for friends done wrong than of trying to accomplish anything specifically. *Kicks a rock and turns down the flame on her blowtorch*
- Rochelle Rochelle
Jambina, makes sense. It was intended as an observation rather than an indictment. I just see this happen a lot where people say "I HATE THE DRAMA!" which makes us all go "Oooh, what drama?! Where's my pitchfork?"
- Steve is older than ever
Drama? Did someone say drama? Sorry I'm late, my pitchfork was at the shop.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
lulz, no worries steve - totally didn't take it as an indictment (WHERE'S MY PITCHFORK!) and frankly, i might take the post down/edit it later today, depending how i'm feeling.
- jambina
I'll add that I think there's a subtle difference between 'drama' and pointing out troublesome or inappropriate behavior when you see it. The latter (IMHO) is productive, even though it can appear dramatic and nasty. I can appreciate the desire for everyone to get along, but I also think that conflict is a positive thing and a necessary component of innovation. New ideas form from conflict - as long as it is the productive kind (not just 'you kill ma brother' kind of ego trips).
- ɥsıuɐʎɹ
I think Rochelle hit on it. Also, I'm sorry that I've been contributing to the drama.
- D0r0th34
Jenica, I just think it's different understandings of "drama." The AL thing on 101 to me is just stupid and not drama because I haven't seen anyone taking it seriously, getting upset about it, etc. I have seen no one else besides Rothman and Lindner say a single bad thing about 101, and again, they seemed to be critiquing the projects' merits, not the personalities of DLK and MP. The...
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- Steve is older than ever
You know how our patrons in libraries get a little wacky the week before and during a full moon? (Honestly, we always knew when a full moon was coming based on patron behavior...) I think it's just bleeding over into the web world. Maybe in a few days everybody will just chill out and move on. I'm off to go find some more green Skittles.
- Miriella
"They are creatures of the deep immortalised in fictional bestsellers like Herman Melville's novel Moby Dick and Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. But these ultra-rare images of a colossal sperm whale feeding on a giant squid are the real thing. The captivating pictures show adult sperm whales feasting on a rare giant squid. Though the squid looks small beside the enormous whales, it is thought to be an incredible eight to ten metres long. Enlarge Her calf follows her closely, and another whale is pictured behind her, in this rare image taken in the seas of Japan earlier this month One of the dead squid's tentacles - a leftover scrap - was measured at a jaw-dropping three-and-a-half metres long. And experts now think the pictures could be some of the rarest ever captured beneath the ocean's surface, showing as they do the sight of five adults teaching a hungry calf how to catch its prey. Underwater photographer Tony Wu witnessed the pod - five adults and a juvenile - devour the mammoth squid near the Ogasawara Islands in Japan earlier this month."
- RAPatton
It takes a while getting used to the fact that your kids can be very different people when you're not around. It only gets worse as they get older. Equally shocking is the realization that sometimes the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
- John Dupuis
Mr. 7's father's 8th (?) grade English teacher: "Class, I'm growing annoyed." Mr. 7's father: "You're growing a WHAT?" The important question about Mr. 7's jokes is, are they funny?
- Judy Lawson
I remember a teacher chiding me for cracking jokes to my friends in class. "Keep them to yourself!" Me: "But if I keep them to myself, they're not funny!"
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Liking this for Lawson's mom participation.
- Sarah G.
Once in school, at a teacher-parent conference, the teacher said I was "loquacious". I snortled. My mom looked at me and asked what was up. And with an eyeroll, I go, "Loquacious? Please...I'm BLACK."
- Derrick
Okay, yay for Mom popping up in this thread. And Derrick? x.X
- Anika
Mama Lawson gets a fist bump. And yeah, Anika. What did I know? I was like...8.
- Derrick
Well, no, but then you are pretty cool anyway. ;) And, I don't really mean to imply that one causes or impinges on the other. Maybe it's just a reaction to all the (usual) IL hype. :D
- Mar₭ the Engaged
I thought it was just me. :-/ ETA: I mean, I get the spirit of it, and I thought that so many people participated was cool, but I just didn't get it.
- cecily
Agreed, Cecily. I appreciate the contribution, if you will, and that a lot of folks participated ... but where was the content? What was the message? No doubt it is there but like all the surveys of kids these days say I am not sitting through 7 & a 1/2 minutes of something for 30 seconds of content.
- Mar₭ the Engaged
It is a fun video with lots of cool images and widespread participation. I'm not getting how the phrase "Library 101" effectively conveys the message that libraries need to innovate and use technology to provide access to information, library collections and library services, that libraries need to evolve. I absolutely support this message, I'm just saying that the phrase "Library 101" doesn't encapsulate or represent it for me.
- marthalib
That's pretty much how I feel, too, Martha. (Well, I also think libraries *are* evolving, & worries about libraries "going extinct" are a bit extreme.)
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I was looking for the "About." The PR blurb. The bit you can point your boss at.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
I'm actually glad to find this thread. To be upfront, I made the video, so there is that. And of course David King and I both hope ppl like it. But we knew it wouldn't be for everybody. I appreciate the feedback like this tho because, frankly, we are just learning as we go along. We believe in what we said and we tried our best. And that is all we can do. Personally, I was thinking more about Spinal Tap than actually thinking we were anything close to really "cool". I wish that came across more to everyone.
- Michael Porter
But here's the thing: we just love libraries, are experimenting and saying what we believe. Also, as marthalib pointed out, we did add the 101 "RTK" page, plus, the essay pages have some really good stuff in them, and in the few critiques I've found ppl don;t mention them yet: http://www.libraryman.com/blog... And all over the place on the pages we invite ppl to leave feedback, addition info and their own thoughts. We know we don;t have it all right and need help, and we ask for it!
- Michael Porter
I know it isn't perfect, but man, we did this in our own "free" time and worked our butts off on it. We tried hard to make it respectful, accurate, motivating and pointed. All I can say is we tired really hard and did our best. Again I appreciate being able to read this and learn from it and I thank you guys for being detailed in your feedback and, you know, not just going all "smashy smashy" on all of it. :)
- Michael Porter
I'll also add that another reason I didn't get it is because most of the librarians I know (myself included, not that I'm some kind of special snowflake) already have these skills. My naivete and lack of library experience is showing, but it didn't resonate because it seemed so obvious that in today's library - and tomorrow's - these skills should be commonplace. In my experience, it's not necessarily the tech skills (or passion) that is lacking, it's leadership that is falling short.
- cecily
But I'll say again that I appreciate the effort and the passion that the creators threw into this project. That's something to be applauded for sure.
- cecily
Michael, I fully appreciate the work David and you (and any others) put into your video and the site. No doubt about that. I am sincerely glad you guys are enthused and are doing things to attempt to raise the profile of libraries and librarians! The simple fact is that many of us prefer our content in different ways/formats and some of us prefer a fair amount of "meat" where others prefer less.
- Mar₭ the Engaged
As to the video, well, they generally do not speak to me. I watch very little video on the internet. I love film/cinema/movies but the vast majority of internet video has so far left me cold. As to the web site, what is up with that time consuming loading sequence? It's kind of cool the 1st time but since it happens *every time* I return to the main page it gets beyond old quick. As for...
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- Mar₭ the Engaged
Hey Mark, David and I tried to make the song as meaty as we could, but also entertaining and at the very least palatable. I wrote the largest percentage of the lyrics and David and I poured over them to try and have them work with the music but also tell a story. And it was a difficult task for sure. As the song and video became such a major...
- Michael Porter
... effort for us (fitting hundreds of still images in a video and making them dynamic was very hard, and something I hadn't ever done before), we both were concerned that many folks would see the video (like they did with the last video) but not have other value added content. So we worked on getting the essays and building out the 101 resources on the "RTK" page....
- Michael Porter
...For the web page, we actually hired someone to do that for us. I don't have the technical chops or the time to do some of what was done with those pages and we wanted to make it as good as we could in the time we had (there was a serious crush there at the end). I think your critique makes sense though. But even with that, I think David and I are both feeling a little fried (and...
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- Michael Porter
I'll have another look at the video this weekend, Michael. Perhaps I just missed some of the content, as in maybe there is more than it seemed to me when watching it the 1st time. Sorry you guys are fried and broke from the effort. And I sincerely did not mean my lack of enthusiasm--or specific critiques--as a personal criticism of either of you.
- Mar₭ the Engaged
Coming back home last night, David and I saw quite a few negative comments, and while we talked about knowing that would happen, it feels different when it actually happens. I'm glad we've had some back ad forth here though and thank you guys for it. I don't think this thread was hurtful though I really am glad we had it.
- Michael Porter
There were negative comments and positive comments, but anytime you put yourself out on the line that's gonna happen, so don't sweat it.
- Mike
Ick. I'm a year clear from chemo Hell. If you ever need to talk or advice on how to get back at evil nurses, give me a shout. I hope it goes by quickly & successfully!
- Jess
Thanks Jess, this would be my 4th time through chemo. Im pretty sure I get a free car or something now. Won't know anything till next week. Im holding out hope that this is nothing but a cautious scare.
- Mary Carmen
Well, then the nurses know better than to mess with you ,-)
- Jess
Greg would like to get Uncontrolled Vocabulary started up again, just to have a forum for saying "AskPro" five times fast. Good call, SLA. - http://www.facebook.com/profile...
Tad's "Yo Mama" thread (http://friendfeed.com/tad...) reminded me of this little chant we used to say as kids: "Yo mama, yo daddy, yo bald headed granny got holes in her PANNIES got a big behind like Frankenstein goin' beep beep beep down Sesame Street." Reading those words now, I'm like damn; what kinda shit is that to be saying to somebody?
Cecily, we had the bit about the greasy greasy grandma, then picking up with the big behind like Frankenstein. I also remember something about "your mama / your papa / your whole generation" which really makes no sense.
- Steve is older than ever
We used to also say "Ain't yo' mama pretty, she got meatballs on her titties, she got scrambled eggs between her legs, and her pannies always shitty..." Yeah. Never said that one unless everybody in my family was out of earshot.
- cecily
Where'd you grow up Cecily, because that sounds familiar, too. I went to elementary school in Middletown, CT.
- Steve is older than ever
And now I'm trying to picture a Mini-Steve saying "your greasy greasy grandma". :-D
- cecily
I grew up in Atlanta, GA - the city, not the 'burbs.
- cecily
I'm sorry but YOUR MA, YOUR PA is the win. I'm going to say that from now on.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Gotta admit, I wasn't usually the one saying "your greasy greasy grandma." That was mostly the black kids while the white kids stared on in awe.
- Steve is older than ever
Steve. You know you have to record a video clip of you doing this chant, don't you?
- cecily
And I also remember thinking that I could kind of see how scrambled eggs could go between one's legs, but that meatballs would just roll off the titties.
- Steve is older than ever
That thudding sound you just heard was me falling out of my chair because I'm laughing so hard.
- cecily
We said pretty much the same thing in Mississippi. Well, actually the black kids taught the white kids and we tried to say it the same. :D
- Internet's Tad
Tad: "Your Ma, Your Pa" or "Yo Mama, Yo Daddy"?
- cecily
Yo mama, yo daddy, yo greasy greasy granny...
- Internet's Tad
*makes plans to teach Steve this chant at whatever library conference we run into each other*
- cecily
Is it bad form to mention that Monique just subscribed to my feed? Oh, how disappointed she will be after this.
- Steve is older than ever
Did you say "U G L Y you ain't got no alibi you ugly. That's right I say you ugly. M O M A how did you get that way? Yo mama! That's right I said yo mama!"
- Internet's Tad
I'm trying to go to bed too, but y'all are just too much.
- Derrick
Cecily, and then in the middle of a keynote we need to stand up and shout it at each other.
- Steve is older than ever
Aw, snap. I've never heard the M A M A part of that chant before tonight, Tad.
- cecily
LOL Tad know the mama part. ahahahahahaha. holy shit. this stuff never gets old! (we do though)
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Tee hee! And during a boring keynote, we'll do the U G L Y one.
- cecily
I gotta say that in all this, it's the "beep beep beep down Sesame Street" that just kills me.
- Steve is older than ever
LOL! I also used to know all the words to Rapper's Delight. Back in 5th grade we (me and a ton of black kids) used to rap it ALL THE FREAKING TIME. Damn. I'm so old.
- Internet's Tad
ahahaha. yeah the beep beep beep shit is random as hell. it's like where did that come from?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
oh. i thought there was some deep sexual meaning i was missing.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
In hindsight, I always thought that was one of those intra-racial insults that had something to do with how dark someone was. You know - the darker you were, the ashier your skin got, and the ashier your skin got, the more you had to 'grease it down'. Yeah... I got nothin'.
- cecily
Aw, Tad. I would've made friends with you. I was the only girl in my 2nd grade class to make friends with the white guy who moved into our neighbourhood.
- cecily
In 6th grade I moved from a school that was about 50-50 black and white to one that was pretty much all white. Where the kids used the word "negro" as if people still said that (in 1982).
- Steve is older than ever
*holds up a skinless chicken breast in the drive thru*
- cecily
We used to do the $1 2 wings and a biscuit meal for lunch.
- Internet's Tad
I remember asking for butter for the biscuits at Popeyes and having the guy behind the counter say "Those biscuits have been buttered three times already! You're gonna have a heart attack!"
- Steve is older than ever
I remember reading "black people jokes" to all the kids on the band bus from the Truely Tasteless Jokes book. Something about the only white kid reading those to a bus full of black kids was hilarious. :D
- Internet's Tad
I also noticed at hte Popeye's in Phoenix the "spicy" chicken ain't spicy
- Internet's Tad
Which is surprising cause people like it spicy in Phoenix, but I noticed that over the summer when I was there Tad.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I always get my chicken mild and then put my own hot sauce on it.
- Derrick
I think you should be required to slap the shit out of anybody that goes to Popeye's and orders Mild fucking chicken.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I think it's a white folks thing. I haven't seen Mexicans eating Popeye's and there ain't any blacks... or not enough to notice.
- Internet's Tad
I used to get extra crispy chicken at KFC and douse it in Kraft BBQ sauce. The day they came out with Honey BBQ wings, I cried tears of joy. Greasy, greasy tears of joy.
- cecily
Remind tomorrow to take a picture of this girl's key fob at work that is supposed to be a piece of bacon, but looks like a piece of FAT BACK. x_X
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Used to go with my granddaddy to get Cracklin. Ever had any cracklin?
- Internet's Tad
also, raise your hand if you have ever eaten a piece of fried fat back. Oh, just me? :(
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
My dad used to steal fat back out of the frying pan when my mom was frying it up to make creamed corn. Used to sit there chewing on it like it was cud. OMG MY PARENTS WERE COUNTRY.
- cecily
I don't like ham hocks, but man, I wouldn't be mad at anyone who made green beans and white potatoes with ham hocks in it. *drools on keyboard*
- cecily
:D I remember the first time someone told me catfish was gross. I nearly slapped them.
- Internet's Tad
(now giggling that this was liked by Michael Porter)
- holly
Seeing that Michael Porter has favorited this (ARG, Holly beat me to it!)...I think I'll start calling Michael "Black Butte."
- Steve is older than ever
haha! I win this time, Lawson! and I think that is a fabulous idea.
- holly
May I also commend Anchor Porter. And just, well, porter really.
- Pete
Bought a six-pack of this last night. Really good -- just had one of the six. Kind of like Guinness, but not as heavy.
- Joe....
Where can I get me some of that letterhead? Well done!
- Connie Crosby
Am I the only one enamored by the fact it's on graph paper?
- Nikki D.
No, it's not just you, Nikki. I <3 graph paper. (I'm kind of hoping there's a map of a dungeon on the other side of the letter.)
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Oh, Josh, if only! "See, if you detect the secret door, you can enter the treasure hall with the platinum pieces and the Vorpal Sword, but that triggers the Mind Flayers to attack from behind this *other* secret door... Oh, yeah, and there's a check in the envelope, too."
- Steve is older than ever
I just sent a reminder, with the link to the LJ article, to my statewide library list. I hope you get a few more donations from that, Steve. And HI to Steve's MOM! :)
- Louise Alcorn
Thanks, guys, and perhaps that's even true. But really none of it would have happened without the LSW and the folks in our orbit due to FriendFeed and the like. That's what's cool to me. We have this network--let's use it.
- Steve is older than ever
We are, this is awesome Steve! BTW did we decide on group donation incentives or not? I have a Cod mug to donate to the cause but will be off the grid next week. Let me know!
- Nikki D.
Yeah, I need to try and coordinate the incentives this weekend or something. I had a photographer from Louisville IM me yesterday to ask about donating some prints. Email the details, Nikki.
- Steve is older than ever
Did the interview get archived on the Internet someplace?
- Jill Hurst-Wahl
It wasn't broadcast live. From their site, it looks like a lot of stuff is archived/podcast, but I'm not sure. Of course I'll let y'all know when I know more.
- Steve is older than ever
YAY! This is apparently vacation week for half the people I know, myself included! :D I'm outtie tomorrow for a whole week of camping. w00tness
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
woot! I have 2 weeks of slack ahead of me. and a trip to Seattle! :D
- holly
LUCKYYYYYYYY. :D I'm just heading to the Mendocino coast. :) Slack is good. Though as much as I want to believe that I'd spend a slack vacation doing things like hardcore cleaning my house or doing a long bout of gardening, I'd most likely spend the entire time playing WoW and watching eps of Inuyasha on my TiVo. LOL
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I foresee a fair amount of WoW in my future. but I have a shitload of weeds I gotta get pulled. we'll see what wins. ;)
- holly
I do too! AND NO ONE GETS IT ANYMORE. But I tell them that they don't have to worry about such things since there are sensors that will stop it. NOT TRUE, APPARENTLY. Coming soon to a book store near you: DEATH BY COMPACT SHELVING - A Sarah G. Mystery. (Yes, I write fanfic about myself. WHAT OF IT.)
- Sarah G.
DJF had shenanigans at his library with the compact shelving. health & welfare at the university said that because someone could stand on a shelf (thus not triggering the floor sensors) they could get squashed. i think they had to empty the stacks!
- jambina
I'm pretty sure I could drown in a toilet, too. Better get rid of those.
- Steve is older than ever