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Is Jaiku still being used by someone?
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Crickets.
- Leo Laporte
I don't even know what it is.
- Fleagle
I found it a bit limiting, yet the client was needlessly complex. Deleted.
- dthree
Didn't they move it to the AppEngine platform anyway? It's not a terribly complex site, after all. Anyway, the bits of it that improved upon Twitter were somewhat unnecessary, IMO. It didn't innovate over Twitter enough for anything to happen with it.
- Otto
I used to use it pretty much the same way I use Friendfeed. :) I have not touched it in a year or more.
- Sean Brady
One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed (in Twitter's favor too!!!). See here:
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People follow on Twitter. My friendfeed rates have gone way down.
- Robert Scoble
I looked into a few people I've recommended. On Twitter they are getting followed at a MUCH higher rate than their friendfeed accounts are.
- Robert Scoble
That's not a good trend for friendfeed, because it means that there's a much stronger power law in effect there where people like me will have more power to get content noticed than new people who come along.
- Robert Scoble
That is because Twitter is getting a lot of mainstream media attention unlike Friendfeed.
- Veetrag
I wonder why that is? I have some theories that I'll explore over next few minutes.
- Robert Scoble
either im missing something...or haven't used friendfeed much... can you only comment on the main post - or can you comment on a comment?
- Cole Orton
Come to the live version of this post to join along in live time: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's much easier to add people in twitter and then to just ignore them. FriendFeed is much richer.
- Kevin Gamble
Robert, just because you recommend someone on FF doesn't mean they'll automatically get followed. If he or she isn't interacting here, why would I? I could just read their tweets elsewhere.
- FFing Enigma
i really think ff is missing out if you can't comment on a comment
- Cole Orton
Veetrag: not true. I filtered out for numbers of people on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Tina; yet on Twitter if I recommend someone they get followed in droves.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: When you Like and comment on entries from the folks you follow on FriendFeed, you're putting their material in our line of sight. It's not as important to follow massive numbers of people on FF, because one's network does the work of pulling in new content.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cole: what are you talking about. Just use the first name of the comment you are replying to, just like I did.
- Robert Scoble
Brevity of information in twitter? More thorough information on friendfeed? It depends on how much the follower is wanting/willing to consume.
- JCunwired
While your point may be true, I don't understand if it means anything....
- Bwana ☠
BCK: nope, I don't think you've hit the answer either.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired: FAIL too. You still haven't hit it.
- Robert Scoble
Flashback to 1997. Twitter = Lotus cc:Mail. FF = MS Outlook/Exchange.
- Peter Ghosh
that just seems like bad design - there's no "link" as to what comment you're commenting on that way.
- Cole Orton
Just try to have this conversation in Twitter. That's not happening.
- Kevin Gamble
That's true, Robert, but assuming you're talking about the rec you made Friday night 1) it was in a comment, not your original post (which would get more attention) and 2) time of day really does matter.
- FFing Enigma
Bwana: on Twitter everyone's page has tiles of the people who they've followed and the numbers of people they are following. Twitter has created a "follower game." Friendfeed doesn't make that game so obvious so people don't play it.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is more serious than twitter. I mean that friendfeed is used for spreading interesting topics and conversations. Twitter is more to get updated and the majority uses for uhm lets see.. nothing useful.
- Rafael
I already follow 1300 people. I only follow more people if they A) are adding good content B) are participating or C) are friends/family
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
No follower game is a bad thing? FOaF obsoletes it imho.
- Bwana ☠
I have followed you on friendfeed since yesterday... much easier to break through the noise, but I have been on Twitter longer so I tend to follow your recomends there.
- Michael Angelo Truncale
I can interact very easily with people I'm not following on here. Sometimes I don't even realize that I'm not following certain people.
- Michael McKean
Tina: I've been watching the follower numbers of other people who recommend people too. On friendfeed we are far more adverse. I believe that the real-time version of friendfeed has caused people to unsubscribe, too.
- Robert Scoble
I get all kinds of nuggets on FriendFeed from people I don't follow... through FoaF
- Bwana ☠
You don't have to necessarily be friend with someone on FF to see his/her comments. If it's a friend of a friend you'll see a lot of likes/comments of that person "for free".
- Christoph Studer
Michael: you can tell you're not following. Their icons next to their comments are white.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: exactly
- Christoph Studer
i am very confused by this posting. what are we supposed to "see here?"
- @baratunde
@baratunde: the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
I agree that people are trimming their follows possibly due to real time. That's their choice. On the other hand, content is still readily accessible via FoaF (assuming of course that it's still on).
- FFing Enigma
Steven: yes, we are cliques here. More like nodes.
- Robert Scoble
My followers who don't follow Robert, see this conversation by default. Twitter doesn't do that.
- Bwana ☠
I find the real-time version of FF makes me want to stay and watch more. This conversation, for example, is very interesting and great to watch in real time.
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
Since beta I've had lots of new subs - have you just reached critical mass, Robert, whereby everyone on FF is only a FOAF away from you?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
i'm thinking i'd use friendfeed more - if there was a killer mobile (ahem, iphone) app for it
- Cole Orton
Bwana: true, and that makes following people a lot less important. But it does give hyper connectors like me more power to get a lot of people involved in a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Well hyper connectors is something Twitter has in spades :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert, lame or not that's what people are doing (and really, you're going to call someone else's choice lame just because it's not what you would do?). Lists are an option, filters are an option, and so is unsubscribing. So is doing nothing.
- FFing Enigma
WorldofHiglet: I still am getting new subs, but this isn't about me. I'm watching normal people's follower behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: it's lame. It's also a free world, so I can call behavior lame. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This Sunday night conversation is brought to you by... Rackspace... And now, back to our program
- Bwana ☠
It's also interesting how a conversation like this goes hot and heavy for about two minutes and then just dies as it rolls off of everyone's pages and the numbers of comments gets too unweildy to navigate.
- Robert Scoble
Why follow a lot of people when FF search and filters are so powerful?
- Tom Landini
Cole: agree. Would love to see a killer iPhone app.
- Jason Mayoff
i also don't like that i have to scroll alllll the way up to click the comment link if/when i have all the comment fully expanded on a post that has, say, >10 comments.
- Cole Orton
Hey, I know: how 'bout we try to get over counting stuff?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: unfollowing people is "stupid"??
- Ken Kennedy
One word - twollo.com - that's why Twitter has higher follow rates
- Jesse Stay
Ken: humans love counting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Lots of things humans love aren't good for them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: yes. Just put the people you hate onto another list. That way you can watch and see if they get more value later.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about the rest of you, but my stats on Twitter vs my stats here don't make a damned bit of difference to me. Here, I barely follow any stats beyond how many people like my posts and who they are. On Twitter, there seems to be this huge drive for getting bigger, better numbers of followers, how many tweets someone has posted, etc. Guess what? It's bullshit.
- Chris Charabaruk
Its a lot easier on Twitter to follow ppl ,its like the 1 click amazon patent :-)
- Johni Fisher
Tom: I think you are right there - if I was starting FF now I wouldn't necessarily follow the people I do now and use filters to find the stuff i want. Which would be awhole different experience.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Chris: bingo, but on the other hand, it's a game that people like to play.
- Robert Scoble
Let me rephrase: users will look to you for how they think they're supposed to use the service. Calling a use choice lame is your way of directing their use. As for who gets followers: what's more useful, a couple hundred mildly interested follows just because Scoble mentioned you, or 10-20 really interested follows that found you via a search, filter, or FoaF?
- FFing Enigma
I enjoy FriendFeed a hell of a lot more than I do Twitter, simply because I don't have the drive to improve my stats. I can post whatever and expect real responses and discussions, not plain old resharing and quick-quip replies.
- Chris Charabaruk
I totally agree with Chris.
- Rafael
Funny, but I want to tweet about this discussion, but I can't find a link to it. (New to FF)
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: +1.
- Ken Kennedy
Tina: well, following me is lame too. :-) But unfollowing really is lame. It sends a message to those people that they aren't important anymore. Everyone is important.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: Click the timestamp under the entry
- Bwana ☠
If people are more concerned about how many people they follow, how many are following them, and how many things they're pushing out, they're missing out on the opportunity to really affect things. They're simply playing for the score, not for the game.
- Chris Charabaruk
Chris: Right. I'd rather have "low" stats and high interactivity rather than high numbers of people who I'm not particularly interested in.
- Michael McKean
Jason: the permalink is the time underneath the headline (timestamp). Or, this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Wow!! I got real-time back on threads!! Yay!
- Bwana ☠
Thanks... odd place to put it.
- Jason Mayoff
Jason - that's where Twitter puts it as well :)
- Bwana ☠
It's quality vs quantity. FF = quality. Twitter = quantity.
- Brian
Jason: it is odd, but it is always there and you'll never forget it. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
What I fail to understand every time one of these conversations is brought up is why they are brought up at all. Comparing apples to oranges never results in any definitive result.
- JCunwired
What Bwana said - FoaF Also, I think twitter's 15 mins of fame is almost up IMHO
- BEX
It's a LOT easier to get followers on Twitter, whereas on FF it's like pulling teeth. The whole point of social media is to be social, and if users can't socialize quickly "out of the box", then they'll move on.
- Ryan Garns
who feel's these real-time posts are hard to follow?
- Cole Orton
Brian: the thing is my friendfeed is moving a lot faster than my Twitter and I'm following a lot fewer people here.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is follows the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. For some, FriendFeed looks too complicated and they don't feel like spending that extra time to benefit from the true purpose of the network. Though I'm reassured that most people on here understand what FriendFeed has to offer over Twitter.
- Michael Forian
Wouldn't it be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for entering comments when threads get long and fast like this one?
- Tom Landini
jcunwired: I disagree. I learn something by doing comparisons to other services.
- Robert Scoble
Now, if it's NOT real-time--it feels lethargic.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
omg this conversation is moving so fckn fast! I just get a up to drink a coke and when I came back. OMG! Frind feed was exploded!
- Rafael
Cole: go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... now scroll to the bottom of the page and just keep it there. VERY easy to follow.
- Robert Scoble
Cole: I like real-time. You catch what you catch. You miss what you miss.
- Jason Mayoff
Michael: FriendFeed doesn't look as complicated as it used to. Or at least the beta doesn't.
- Chris Charabaruk
I think Friendfeed feels like a content vacuum, I have no confidence whatsoever that I can get what I put in to it -- back out.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason: I find that if I miss something cool my filters catch it later.
- Robert Scoble
and if you miss it, oh well... ooh, look a penny
- Bwana ☠
I don't feel that way with twitter.
- Andrew Leahey
one big diff is the showing of following/subcriptions and followers/subcribers. Twitter showed it on the mainpage while ff show it on your profile page. in a way, twitter succeed when everyone is trying to win in the number game. but i feel ff is where real conversation can be held between more than one stranger across the world. and it can be more than 140 chars.
- Gerald Neo
andrew: you really need to look into filters. And read my blog from the other day.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: do you mean being able to find your content within FF, or do you mean getting a return on the hours you're investing?
- FFing Enigma
Andrew: Try following even 250 people. I pretty much ignore half the stuff that goes by on Twitter these days because I can't follow it all.
- Chris Charabaruk
twitter's brand and uniform design are untouchable right now - not about features; twitter can develop them
- Andy Fox
scoble - that is easier to track. thanks.
- Cole Orton
I can find content so much easier on FriendFeed, it's scary
- Bwana ☠
The purpose of participating in twitter and the purpose of participating in friendfeed produce entirely different results, that's what I'm saying. I stay on friendfeed because I enjoy the conversations that others share about an individual's comment, shared item, etc. I use twitter to make me aware of the comment or share. Very different experience.
- JCunwired
Twitter search is like a hive now
- Bwana ☠
Scoble: I just discovered filters, I'll check out the blog post for sure.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew: http://scobleizer.com/2009... this shows how much better friendfeed is for finding valuable stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter Search is about the only good thing left with Twitter.
- Chris Charabaruk
Thanks for the info sir.
- Andrew Leahey
It's not the quantity, it's the quality... That said, how many seriously deranged cyber-geeks are engaging in this conversation? FF is still too confusing for the average user.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
"FriendFeed Filters are the star of the beta" A brilliant guy wrote that.
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: true, that's why I have a screen that is all about Tweetdeck.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF could have made the live pages like this could do well to have the newer comments on top instead of updating at the bottom
- Charles Rice
Chris: Twitter search is fine, but if you have search but no content then you've got nothing
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana - that too. In a sense, I use friendfeed as a source of bookmarks (knowledge). Twitter would not give me that.
- JCunwired
Vermonter: I'm only slightly deranged.
- Michael McKean
Only thing that scares me about FriendFeed is history. That area seems iffy.
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: really? Facebook is more complicated than Twitter OR friendfeed and it has 10x the users of Twitter. MySpace is more complicated than that, and has 7x the users of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: what do you mean by "history?
- Robert Scoble
We cant find on Twitter this kind of conversation as we do now live here
- Johni Fisher
Robert: Search history...how far back can I go?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: all the way.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: Twitter only goes back a few months.
- Robert Scoble
as I said, twitter is good for updates and curiosities, Friendfeed is good for conversations about interesting topics(or not). Frienfeed is the serious side of twitter
- Rafael
The quality of content is more important! I got more info from FF. The content from twitter in FF is just a little part!
- netvista
Robert: that wasn't always the case. Is this a recent change?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I can't find my Tweets from the Chinese Earthquake over on Twitter, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
What I like about FF is that I can sit here and have/watch this conversation without being distracted by thousands of other things going by.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: you can search for it, but you can't page back more than 300 items unfortunately (here on friendfeed).
- Robert Scoble
I'm a relative FF newbie and this discussion has sold me. I'm stayin'.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: the content has always been there on FF, available by search. The pagination that far back has been restricted though
- FFing Enigma
Jason: welcome!
- Robert Scoble
Nice to have you join us, Jason =)
- FFing Enigma
Yeah I have to say, this discussion has seriously changed my opinion on FF. Thanks Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason - you've found the Holy Grail! :)
- JCunwired
@Robert... True.. Facebook is unwieldy, too. But mass usage has forced tolerance. Unwarranted tolerance perhaps. Hard to see how FF will gain traction unless users help make use of FF clearer.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Tina: echo! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Welcome to the club, Jason!
- Chris Charabaruk
The Holy Grail indeed
- Jason Mayoff
Robert: that's what I mean.
- Bwana ☠
And that means I can't archive all of my FriendFeed data if I wanted
- Bwana ☠
You can't have a filtered real-time feed yet correct? That's the functionality I'm waiting for!
- Keith Barrett
Bwana: true. I hope they fix that. It's important for Track.
- Robert Scoble
Hence the "iffy" description. I'm hoping they fix that later.
- Bwana ☠
Keith: right. They promise that as a feature to come. We call that "Track."
- Robert Scoble
I think they should rename the "comments" on here. I'm not sure I'd call these comments. This is like a topic-driven chat.
- Andrew Leahey
Keith: I'd like to see that as well.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: but at least the data is there. It is NOT there on Twitter. Horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How do you sort of...back up your tweets? FF?
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: yes. But it is searchable. And you can come back and add onto it forever.
- Robert Scoble
You mean there's no record of all that's gone on on Twitter?
- Jason Mayoff
andrew: I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: it's both, depending on the topic at hand. If you play with the DM feature to a group of people, it's definitely like a chat.
- FFing Enigma
Jason: try to find my Chinese earthquake tweets. I tried and I can't get to them.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: they might be in a database somewhere, but you can't search on anything older than about August of last year, if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook/Friendfeed are also very different. Our real life friends and our social networking friends are entirely different audiences. What FF brings is a different perspective - the opportunity to share with those who might not agree with us, who might teach us something that we wouldn't learn from our circle of RL friends. Invaluable, incalculable.
- JCunwired
I'm not even going to bother expanding all the comments. I'm just going to assume Scoble said something along the lines of "Easy access to cat pictures, babby pictures, my brother, FFundercats, Leather Donut"
- Mike Nayyar
Robert: where do you find the permalink to this thread?
- Tom Landini
At any rate, since the beta, Twitter has seen less of me.
- Bwana ☠
Tom: on the date under the topic that started this.
- Robert Scoble
I'll get this one. The date. CLick the date
- Jason Mayoff
And if the beta improves, it may get worse for Twitter in my world.
- Bwana ☠
That's what I'm talking about! Look how the conversation change the focus. Now we have another interesting things being discussed here... Thats awsome right?
- Rafael
Tom - click on the timestamp
- JCunwired
To get back on topic a little... it would be really cool if when you clicked a white chat bubble on the left if it turned to blue and you were following them... like a toggle button. Do you think that would lower the barrier too much? like people digging stories they havent read.
- Frankie Warren
Yes, I just went and searched http://search.twitter.com for any tweet last June that mentioned "earthquake." None appeared. FAIL.
- Robert Scoble
So just out of curiosity, what is the page within FF that you spend most of your time browsing/following? Filters? An individual post like this?
- Andrew Leahey
Frankie: I would LOVE that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, very curious about your theory that prompted this post.
- JCunwired
Thanks: the permalink page puts a comment box under all the comments so it's easy to enter stuff.
- Tom Landini
Here's the thing. I'm a fairly sophisticated user. But I don't have any idea how to follow this thread, or why I even got here. Or how to follow (I'm don't text. Web only.) I think that presents a challenge for FF adoption. I've been wrong before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Frankie: If you hover over someone's name next to their comment you can subscribe from right there.
- FFing Enigma
andrew: me? I skip around my filters when my lists slow down (in real-time)
- Bwana ☠
I don't stay in one place very long
- Bwana ☠
unless it's a juicy thread like this one
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: I have five friendfeed screens open at most times. Home screen. Tech list. A window like this one. And a filter or two or something else I'm tracking.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a speed reader. I love these fast-paced conversations :)
- JCunwired
Hmm, interesting. I'm just trying to get a handle on how people who have found FF really integral, use it.
- Andrew Leahey
Tina: yes, but then it refreshes the page.
- Robert Scoble
Good deal.
- Andrew Leahey
Once Internet users have decided to play the microblogging game, they're ready to adopt one microblogging tool, and only one (forget the geeks). Then, if their intention is to notify friends about their actions and thoughts, they'll take Twitter. Because even CNN may follow them there ;) If their goal is to discuss and discover stuff, they'll take the plunge with FF. Unfortunately, 98% of those users want only to notify and be sure their notification won't get lost in a "content vaccum" (andrew's words).
- Jérôme
kilbuda: the comment box is static on the bottom if you navigate to the thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Bwana ☠
That's an area FriendFeed has to fix
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: new friendfeed UI makes it very possible to follow. Visit here, scroll to the bottom, and watch! http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's not about friendfeed anymore (unless something radical happens) - facebook is the hulk (no pun intended) in the room
- Antonio Altamirano
Heh.. they really need to make the permalink more noticeable. :)
- Michael McKean
Facebook is boring to me...
- Bwana ☠
Funny someone mentioned searchability. I just discovered the limitations of that on Twitter this morning. When I can't look back past thrity days without having to learn how to use the API...and that really irritates me.
- George Hall (Australia)
You can use the friendfeed sidebar too... its very easy to follow!
- Rafael
Bwana: I wish they would make it so new comments appear at top.
- Robert Scoble
185 comments here are just fine - no way I can follow a conversation of 185 tweets.
- Bora Zivkovic
Bora: I do. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bora: you've got to get in when it starts.
- Jason Mayoff
Did you know FF copied Twitter's permalink format? ;)
- Jérôme
tina: thanks! haha i just tried it on you :)
- Frankie Warren
Antonio - I disagree. Mudane conversations and thoughts are all I get from FB, FF adds a new dimension to what the mind can absorb.
- JCunwired
I learn here. I rarely learn anything at Facebook.
- Kevin Gamble
YEP, new comments definantely need to feed in from the top for me, too.
- CLC Radio
I use Friendfeed alerts, and I can tell when these conversations get too noisy, which is now!
- Francine Hardaway
Actually I find that th most useful thing about Twitter search is that the results include private and deleted tweets :)
- Keith Barrett
hehe Francine
- JCunwired
lol Keith
- Bwana ☠
don't get me started on that
- Bwana ☠
Anyway, who was asking about my theory?
- Robert Scoble
me
- JCunwired
Francine: get onto real time and give up on alerts. Alerts are old school. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Did you know that if you re-click the permalink from the permalink, you get a pretty simple window?
- Jérôme
I think the idea behind having comments appear at the bottom rather than the top is because somebody's under the (perhaps naive) impression people actually read everything other folks wrote before they comment themselves :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
agree
- atanas
jcunwired, what would you like to know? My theory is that people on Twitter follow a lot more. Mostly because it's a lot easier to follow, but also because everyone knows how many followers everyone else has (it's on their main UI).
- Robert Scoble
Ken - good point. Case study: Youtube
- Bwana ☠
Ken - New comments appear at the top and no one reads the history
- Bwana ☠
I would like to be able to comment on a comment. I'm into real time, but sometimes I like to follow FF out of the corner of my eye and not focus on this conversation. I multitask
- Francine Hardaway
here you can find a way to follow these conversations right in your firefox sidebar: http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
Alerts? Is that like a fax?
- Phil Maxwell
Ken: i click the comment button before i read the thread so its waiting for me at the bottom :)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - someone already brought that up. Twitter is a popularity contest.
- JCunwired
@Robert Thanks for the FF beta tip.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Robert; thanks. And I second the request to have an option to display comments at the top of a real-time display, however I think that for older, inactive postings I'd prefer to read the comments in order.
- Keith Barrett
Francine: I multitask too. I just run five screens. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I submit the follower game can ruin the quality of the network
- Bwana ☠
Agreed, Bwana.
- FFing Enigma
The topic we talk about is not popular entry in "Best of Day", no real time statistics?
- netvista
+100 Bwana
- JCunwired
Oh, I like the pop-up window. I didn't realize that Friendfeed can do that.
- Robert Scoble
I really hope FF never threads/indents comment. An entry's a nice unit of conversation. If something needs it's own branch, just start another entry.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is just too much for the typical user. First you have to "get it". On Twitter there's not much to "get". You put some words in the box and hit send.
- Eric Florenzano
netvista: good point. That's a bug. We should start a spreadsheet for the friendfeed team of things that are bugs.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Pop-up windows?
- Rafael
Robert: How?
- Rafael
Well Robert a new thing in your theory
- Bwana ☠
I've gotten 3 new followers from this thread
- Bwana ☠
Rafael. Click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Eric: there are people who use FF exactly the same way, they type some words and update it, leave it at that
- FFing Enigma
interesting
- Bwana ☠
Rafael, sorry that's wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if Twitter users get new followers from a conversation
- Bwana ☠
Robert - yeah i realized right now
- Rafael
Eric - that is very true. There is a learning curve to FriendFeed that does not give the instant satisfaction of Twitter.
- JCunwired
Rafael: from your feed click the timestamp of a post. On the resulting page, click the timestamp again, and you'll get the pop out window
- FFing Enigma
Rafael, click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then click on the timestamp again.
- Robert Scoble
Sweet! Thanks Robert!
- Phil Glockner
Robert: Thank you so much!
- Rafael
Robert: echo =)
- FFing Enigma
jcunwired: friendfeed is a Formula Race Car. It takes a while to learn to drive, but when you do it does a lot of stuff a Prius can't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Sweet find. Thanks for pointing that out.
- Brian
me too
- Rafael
I saw brett do that in you video robert and was curious how it worked :)
- Frankie Warren
... and no reverse gear ;)
- Phil Glockner
Pop out window is cool.
- Tom Landini
oh and it leaves the comment open at the bottom! epic.
- Frankie Warren
Speaking of which, I gotta plug in, my battery is low :)
- JCunwired
Frankie: I missed a lot of stuff that Bret showed us because I was trying to keep the camera focused. Did you like the videos?
- Robert Scoble
now i can browse and keep lookin to the pop-up without losing any comment
- Rafael
Yeah love the popout window. Wanted to hug Ben when I saw him post it
- Bwana ☠
I'm still learning how to be a power user of friendfeed. I haven't memorized the keyboard commands yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Just watched the vids now. Rly interesting stuff, thx for putting them up. Sometimes was hard to understand questions from the audience, though...
- Christoph Studer
Ben: Its better you run... everybody wants to hug you ;)
- Rafael
Any one got new follows from this conversation?
- netvista
Robert: i loved the video!! seriously its very difficult to figure out how to use friendfeed at first effectively. seeing best practices from power users helped a lot
- Frankie Warren
I have netvista
- Bwana ☠
I still prefer tabs over popup unless I have multiple monitors active
- JCunwired
A popout of a tracked real-time feed would be the best!
- Keith Barrett
I think its cause Bwana is an awesome name though ;)
- Frankie Warren
I bought a 24 inch monitor just to use Friendfeed on.
- Robert Scoble
heh Frankie
- Bwana ☠
FF should do something like Gmail chat.
- Christoph Studer
Keith - you are right... but you can have a Firefox sidebar you know?
- Rafael
Now the balance has shifted back to FF
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Christoph: the realtime combined with the DM capablity makes it a lot like Gmail chat, actually.
- FFing Enigma
Watch multiple conversations in pop up windows
- Christoph Studer
netvista3987 - How would you know?
- Phil Maxwell
hmm, there's an idea - having interesting realtime conversations like this in sidebar
- JCunwired
Christoph: yeah, it really rocks using the popups.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, jcunwired.
- FFing Enigma
Christoph: current features are largely sufficient
- Jérôme
I want to dock good conversations on my blog.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I've put that read through a text-to-speech app, makes it even more productive right now, This could make a little booklet from it. The new forum post experience.
- Zu from AOD
Interesting search/filter, at least 100 comments and -friends:username. Interesting FF'rs you've missed.
- Andrew Leahey
Robert: I f you use Firefox, try to use this sidebar, easily bookmark you realtime page to bookmarks bar and in properties choose to open with the sidebar : http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
want a sidebar-like window? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (I'm in Chrome, can't do it)
- Jérôme
Maybe have the "pop outs" integrated into the main window instead of new browser windows. Would make it easier for me to track multiple discussions from one spot.
- Christoph Studer
is there no RSS for comments?
- Phil Maxwell
This format kinda makes the comment count they used to have meaningless now... theres a big difference between one well thought out comment and just chatting in the pop out.
- Frankie Warren
Phil Maxwell: because i subscribe someone here for this conversation! haha
- netvista
Frankie: Agree
- Christoph Studer
Phil: you can subscribe to someone's comments and there should be an rss for that feed
- FFing Enigma
Rafael I did, but I also like popouts, plus firefox doesn't run on my phone and I suspect I can just plug this URL into a browser.
- Keith Barrett
Frankie: I agree. I wish I could see how many items I have commented on, not how many comments I've seen.
- Robert Scoble
Doesn't look to be an RSS for a single comment but yes a personal feed Tina
- The Real sofarsoShawn
what about comments for an individual post?:
- Phil Maxwell
I'm glad they added that. I love being to able to subscribe to someone's likes and not their comments and/or posts
- Bwana ☠
Frankie: Right. I wouldn't even call these "comments".
- Michael McKean
Phil: unfortunately, no
- FFing Enigma
Bwana: agreed (again). Haven't delved in using it yet but I think it's an interesting option.
- FFing Enigma
Keith: Uhm I understand you. maybe when Mozilla launch the mobile Firefox you will be able to do that!
- Rafael
How can I measure my self worth if no one follows me.
- Demian Vonder Kuhlen
from Nambu
Anyway, Twitter brings me interesting content, but FriendFeed is true brain candy. I'll never get this level of conversation or knowledge from twitter.
- JCunwired
Michael: the engagement of friendfeed has gone WAY up in new friendfeed due to the real time comments.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe "comment counts" should be more like "like counts". One comment per discussion and user.
- Christoph Studer
I like pronouncing the name Bwana out loud: it's fun: Bwwannna. Heeehehhee
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Demian: I'll follow you.
- Robert Scoble
O_o
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, these are much less "comments" and more just sorta empty "yeah me too, lol" style stuff. Like, you know... tweets.
- Ken Sheppardson
Demian: life's hard sometimes :)
- Phil Maxwell
You know; it's too bad I can't just click a comment speak bubble image and have it automatically format it as a comment response by filling in the name)
- Keith Barrett
Wow.. I never noticed that you can subscribe to comments and likes!
- Michael McKean
I think you're looking at this wrong Robert. The big difference with FF is Friend of a Friend. I use *you* to bring me other people. I trust you to *filter* it for me. After a while I might add someone who continually pops up in my feed via your FOAF, but why subscribe right off the bat. The context between Twitter and FriendFeed is different. It's not about quantity and reaching follower numbers, it's about quality and interaction.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: good point, but that gives me a lot more power than I have over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Bwana, it's just one of those things: I'm weird
- The Real sofarsoShawn
FriendFeed is great for deep threaded conversation ... but Twitter generates so much more exposure.
- Brandon
can you imagine this conversation on Twitter... I mean really.
- Bwana ☠
AJ: I don't mind the power, though, cause I'm an egotistical bbaaahhhssstttaaarrrddd. Just ask my brother. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's not necessarily a bad thing to have "hubs" with power, is it? You have them in real life, too.
- Christoph Studer
Exposure? or false Hype?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Anyone using the sidebar script for Firefox?
- Andrew Leahey
Christoph: true, I'm not sure it's a bad thing. It's a good thing as long as I behave. If I start being an asshole, then it's a bad thing.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana, I reach for the advil just thinking about it :)
- JCunwired
Scoble's a power hungry Green Hulkster
- The Real sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: What's the difference? :)
- Michael McKean
Robert: i agree with that... with out an install base its really hard for comments to get noticed in the real time feed unless you have a bunch of people keeping your stuff at the top.
- Frankie Warren
The point is Twitter is a hype! Appear in all big corporations and tv programs... twitter has big popularity... friend feed is a shy guy at the moment
- Rafael
Christoph: power corrupts eventually, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: And people will start treating you as one, i.e. unsubscribe. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Christoph: you nailed the force that will keep me from becoming too much of an asshole. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Power corrupts only certain individuals. I haven't seen you exhibit those traits yet Robert :)
- JCunwired
Robert: That's way you say unsubscribing is "lame", haha.
- Christoph Studer
@Robert: Well, I've given you that power and everyone else I subscribe to. Should you fail to be a good filter, I'll drop you like a hot potato :) So who really has the power? That's why FF will win IMO because it creates a far better mechanism for authority and trust. But ONLY if you're selective with whom you subscribe.
- AJ Kohn
Christoph: yes, I have a bias there. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Oh! I just noticed that if you press "enter" once in the search box, you get the advanced search page. A kind of little feature you'll never find on Twitter ;)
- Jérôme
Robert: One of the biggest differences is that: Friendfeed doesnt have ads and bullshits.. Twitter its a treasure for ads.
- Rafael
Jerome - just press the search button, you get te same thing
- JCunwired
Rafael: friendfeed has decentralized moderation. That's a KILLER feature the rest of the world will discover in about 18 months.
- Robert Scoble
@ Mckean Hype vs. Exposure: Hype I'd say is exaggerated publicity hoopla if you will. Empty. Whereas exposure is public focus but what matters more so here is that Twitter can't function to the same quality as Friendfeed now can
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Chris Charabaruk: Yeah, but did the beta get any major media attention? Nope. None what so ever. And that's sad. It seems like people are purposely ignoring everything "FriendFeed" and it isn't right. I think the world is big enough for two cool and active social networking sites (or more), yes?
- Michael Forian
Rafael: friendfeed will prove to be more resistant than other social networks to spam and assholes because of decentralized moderation. It's one reason why I love it so much.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired, even Google doesn't have this function
- Jérôme
people go where the identities/profiles/people/contacts are; right now, when it comes to non-permission blogging, thats Twitter. Its not about features. You can speculate as to why Twitter has the people, but thats just academic. They have the people and they win....features can come...it doesnt matter, does it?
- Andy Fox
Don't give him power. You wouldn't like Robert when he's omnipotent :)
- Keith Barrett
Michael: friendfeed is in Financial Times tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
decentralized moderation? Does that mean if someone offends me and I block them, their comments won't show up for me anywhere?
- Phil Maxwell
Robert: what do you mean by decentralized moderation?
- Frankie Warren
Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers
- Bwana ☠
I really want feature of FF is : What's hot on FF right now?
- netvista
Robert: How many FT readers want bacon with their tea? :D
- Jérôme
Phil: exactly. Frankie, decentralized moderation means I can delete you in my items and you can delete me in yours. As long as we keep adding value to each other's lives we'll not delete. But, let's say you were a spammer. Bye bye!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie - we (you) moderate, not an administrator.
- JCunwired
Ok, I definitely do dig the pop out window for an indivdual post/conversation.
- Ken Kennedy
Bwana: How does the ex-Googler's factor in?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Robert: We have to create a strong community in friend feed and hoping that we could separate the bullshit and ads from the interesting topics, in a way we could keep the good of friendfeed.
- Rafael
decentralized moderation = crowdblocking. It takes only a few comments for a spammer to get blocked by many and that then trips internal FF daemons.
- AJ Kohn
netvista: that's called a filter. I have a filter that shows all items written by anybody but that have at least one "like." That's what's hot right now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: interesting
- Phil Maxwell
netvista3987: make you're own filter http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Jérôme
Rafael - we have, we do - the developers have. What we see Twitter becoming will never happen here because we have all the power.
- JCunwired
netvista3987: you can even exclude your friends (add -friends:netvista3987), exclude items you've already liked and commented (use the minus operator again).
- Jérôme
sofarsoshawn: friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google. HOw does that factor in? It's been down one hour in past year. Search is freaking fast. It has an ugly, but workable UI. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Being reminded so much of Gmail chat I'd like to see who's currently typing into the comments field. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Well, regardless of my hesitancy, this is the first engaging convo on FF I've engaged. And though I had seen the beta briefly, I hadn't taken the time to really understand it. And this has inspired me to flesh out my FF profile. FF anti-fail all around.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Currently listening to Berlin "No More Words" on Shoutcast right now...interesting.
- Christopher Knopick
jcunwired: May the force be with you!
- Rafael
Flipo: thanks. it's great. I already add this filter.
- netvista
Christoph Studer: like emoticons?
- Jérôme
Vermonter: wait until this is used by a conference for a back channel. Leo Laporte was using it on Gillmor Gang and TWiT this weekend and got 1000 comments each.
- Robert Scoble
Here in Brazil Twitter started to get lost by people who dont know what to do with a simple question. thanksfully friendfeed will not get popularity here in brazil
- Rafael
Pressing enter twice on a search box... clicking a feed then clicking the tim to get a popout...directly referencing "/friends" in a URL I do sense a need for some documentation on how to engage the cool features.
- Keith Barrett
Rafael: don't be so sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble I was referring to Bwana's earlier comment that it was more a hindrance then beneficial and was wondering how that could be so
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Jerome: I was kind of kidding...but one could do this with small avatars of people typing. Or just a list of names.
- Christoph Studer
Am now watching FF real time in my sidebar. NoNo more alerts.
- Francine Hardaway
Leo's use of it is what makes me think this is going to work. They're onto something here.
- Jesse Stay
Keith: I'll do another video when I figure them all out.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang comments were the greatest. The level of sophistication skyrockets when the community is one of your choosing (more or less).
- JCunwired
Keith - keep in mind most of these new features are in beta.. I can forgive no documentation in beta
- Phil Glockner
Francine: welcome to the future.
- Robert Scoble
Keith: Yes, better documentation would be nice! Although it's kinda fun to figure these things out.
- Michael McKean
Robert: It's only a question of friendfeed do not support other languages
- Rafael
That's a compliment: we're sophisticated, wait till I post more lolcats
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I never said that.
- Bwana ☠
Alex - when main street gets it, there goes sophistication :)
- JCunwired
Oh I'm not complaining at all! I'm trying to help..
- Keith Barrett
Rafael: friendfeed does support lots of languages. But I need filters. I want to see ONLY Farsi comments, for instance. I can't do that.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: At one time computers were too sophisticated for most people.
- Michael McKean
@Alex I didn't get it really until tonight. Not sure I do yet, but I'm getting there. Maybe others will too.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Alex: I disagree. The mainstreet is on Facebook, which is far more complex than either this or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I understand you
- Rafael
Alex: if humans see utility in learning complexity, they will.
- Robert Scoble
People didn't get AOL. They didn't get blogs. They didn't get eCommerce.
- AJ Kohn
FF is a lot easier to jump into than FB, IMO.
- Michael McKean
They still don't
- Bwana ☠
:)
- Bwana ☠
My wife speaks Farsi and I'd love to be able to have her see only Farsi items here. I can't filter by language. Yet. They have that on their feature lists to build out.
- Robert Scoble
I don't keep close tabs on my follower levels, but I've noticed my Twitter followers have gone up, and my Friendfeed followers have gone down too.
- Ian May
more or less yes: "Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers" - Bwana
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm waiting for the service that will automatically translate anything typed into the viewers chosen language without the need to manually translate individual lines
- Tony Miller
Alex: four years ago you would have said the same thing about Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was hoping for a language filter as well.
- Michael McKean
Robert: but you can see... Facebook here in brazil its almost like Orkut for Americans... few people use it. But Orkut here is something like OMG you dont have an orkut account? you are a jerk! Got it?
- Rafael
Robert: where'd she pick that up? Nuts!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Tony we have done that in our chat for our online experiences using Googles Translate APi
- Tony
Tony: Picasa has it on comments. Would be great to have the same system for FF.
- Christoph Studer
FF = Community - Twitter =
- bcultral
sofarsoshawn: the fact that friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google is a major reason why I use it.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Filter for certain foreign characters would get you pretty far, no?
- AJ Kohn
Shawn: you assume I believe they haven't taken off... and they have
- Bwana ☠
you're the only one who thought that.
- Bwana ☠
most of the people on facebook don't know how to use 1/4 of the features, but they understand they have a profile and people write messages to it and that's enough to get them started.
- Phil Maxwell
@tonysteward cool :)
- Tony Miller
sofarsoshawn: I have NOT been disappointed in that. This service has ALWAYS been 1. Up. 2. Fast. Others? No.
- Robert Scoble
it detects the browser language and then when they chat it auto translates
- Tony
client side
- Tony
No, Bwana: if you read your statement you are the one who distinctly wondered
- The Real sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: my wife was born in Tehran.
- Robert Scoble
sofarsoshawn: FF doesn't need users do develop the service (they have the money and the geniuses). So, in some way, they don't need the Google's buzz to make the killer app that Scoble and others would recommend because it rocks and not because of their authors.
- Jérôme
Sigh, go repeat my name or something :) I know what I said
- Bwana ☠
I am probably the only person in my 200+ list of friends that actually KNOWS how to set FB security features so that I can control what groups of friends (or the public) can see what items and apps.
- Keith Barrett
I know what you said too read your earlier post dude, I'll go say your name :)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'll be right back. Heheh. Yes, friendfeed has turned into chat!
- Robert Scoble
I guess most of us only get what we think others will get too. FF beta makes the possibility of others getting it seem clearer than it did to me before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Keith: Thats normal! the majority uses facebook just to watch other people lifes
- Rafael
The product lifecycle of gmail should be an indication of the long term approach I believe FF will take.
- AJ Kohn
Oh my... he just did a brb!
- Michael McKean
I wonder if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers. <-- Read again. if the founders weren't ex-googlers, would FriendFeed have taken off... maybe if I reverse, you'll understand.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: does it really matter?
- Phil Maxwell
The amount of content that FriendFeed real-time commenting is going to generate is MASSIVE. Hope they have a good file system and DB setup!
- Keith Barrett
I don't like being misquoted
- Bwana ☠
Like I said
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I want it to be clear
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter - did you just start with friendfeed? Aside from a few features, most notably realtime feed, its pretty much the same.
- JCunwired
Keith: And lightweight connection handling.
- Christoph Studer
Oh wait, no, I get it you used a double negative, making it a positive, so yes Bwana your're correct, but bad grammar
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Chris, an even better question
- Bwana ☠
hehe Chris
- JCunwired
++sofarsoshawn
- Zu from AOD
@jcunwired just the learning curve of a thus far somewhat disinterested FF user, I guess.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Chris: lol
- Jérôme
a double negative? LOL
- Bwana ☠
my give up.
- Bwana ☠
High five! me too
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Vermonter, search google for friendfeed filters. A few bloggers - bwana, Louis Gray, Scobleizer have some vvery good tips for controlling the noise so that you only see what you want to see. It helps a lot.
- JCunwired
AJ Kohn: I love comparing Hotmail/Twitter with Hotmail/Gmail. It's a matter of time before the best overpass the most popular.
- Jérôme
The conversation has strayed a bit, I think :)
- Michael McKean
Alex: For sure. we just need to work for a better future for friendfeed...keepin it healthy
- Rafael
My problem is that I don't know what I don't want to see :))
- JCunwired
Hehe, always a tough choice. Discerning is key.
- Zu from AOD
There's a room too for filters, as well a list here http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... as they are compiled
- The Real sofarsoShawn
There's a filters group.
- Michael McKean
oops, make that a big B Bwana :)
- JCunwired
I heard on Leo's show yesterday a good quote, about why having a too strong community (in FF) may be an obstacle for its success (I remember the word "insular")
- Jérôme
Thanks for the conversation all. Enlightening. And my fellow Vermonter is free from pirates, too. I'll sleep well tonight.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Omg, now I can breathe a little, this conversation is slowing down
- Rafael
yeah, be careful of those double negatives in the blog post
- Bwana ☠
they'll getcha
- Bwana ☠
It's amazing, I wonder how long a thread we could go. You just say a word, it creates ripples and we define an area around a topic. Like a tree or something. That's something that is appreciable and important in that experiment we enjoy here.
- Zu from AOD
Jerome - I haven't heard this week's TWIT, but I say poppycock :) Its a social networking site, there are tons of communities. You choose what you want, and filter/dismiss the rest
- JCunwired
well done boys and girls...I'm going to bed! Excellent conversation! Good night to everyone! Good night Robert!
- Rafael
The 'strong community' is what makes it worth staying. There is no sense of community in twitter, just a bunch of people blindly following other people
- JCunwired
Robert: why subscribe to someone who only pipes twitter into friendfeed? and another thought: maybe the average twitterer mindlessly follows and the average friendfeeder is more interested in the quality of their subscriptions
- Chris Heath
This is epic: I have to take my leave as well. 'Night All!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Hearing all your names and comments made it very different to me. I was making coffee, reaching and being able to make it through when it was around 100 comments one very demanding but so enriching real all-way discussion.
- Zu from AOD
jcunwired: sure, I love the community(ies). The problem is for FF newbies: they don't feel comfortable and prefer Twitter where discussions are less loud.
- Jérôme
\0_ sofarsoshawn
- Zu from AOD
Jerome - exactly. That is the one detriment to FF and why the masses have not shown up
- JCunwired
Hey Bwana, if you're still here, looking forward to your next appearance on TWiT. Always a great addition.
- Andrew Leahey
@jcunwired not so in Burlington, VT #btv is a growing and connected group of Twitter users. Can't vouch for other local communities.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Thanks andrew, always a fun event
- Bwana ☠
10 followers from this convo... that's a record
- Bwana ☠
Whoever it was who pointed out how many comments. I don't look at these things as comments. They're just parts of a very large discussion.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: Not what we're counting ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
jcunwired: I follow a lot of astronomy people on Twitter and we're all pretty well connected with each other. I imagine it's the same with other like-minded people.
- Michael McKean
Michael - have you explored the rooms here on Friendfeed?
- JCunwired
Jerome - Well, you can still just like lolcatz pictures and just follow the guy for that. I think there's more details here that makes it interesting. I use twitter when I don't have time to reach deep now and need a summary of past events (not a mobile user for that). Here I jump in, make investigations, keep the stuff I like for future reference, one thing I'm not too into with twitter.
- Zu from AOD
Ken - Well Robert's got me zoomed in on it now... I never paid attention to where I get FF followers from
- Bwana ☠
Michael - consider bringing some of your friends over here
- JCunwired
But I can't remember the last time I had 10 in my inbox so fast
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I havent looked at followers in months, now I'm curious too
- JCunwired
dammit :)
- JCunwired
Blame scoble
- Bwana ☠
Hey you know, where is the link to rooms in the beta ui?
- Andrew Leahey
hehe
- JCunwired
jcunwired:Yeah, and I see what you're saying. It's not as "tight" on Twitter.
- Michael McKean
What we really need are those little presidential debate real-time opinion poll lines so we can see in real time whether people agree or disagree with what we're saying.
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana - I haven't gotten a new FF follower in a dog's age, but I mostly blamed my own light usage.
- Phil Glockner
Hehehe, when you reach the 'Ultimate Comment' connection, that's it, Bwana is the name. ;p
- Zu from AOD
Michael - the cool thing about a group of people with specific interests is that you can aggregate content from multiple sources so that your community can absorb them - google reader, social bookmarking, youtube, flickr, blogs...
- JCunwired
Bwana: you wrrean interesting contributor to thisconvo and want hear what else you have to say.
- Jason Mayoff
On Twitter it's more like a bunch of people who just happen to be following the same people.
- Michael McKean
Phil - that's true. I guess subscriptions increase with participation
- Bwana ☠
hi, is there some collections of interesting filter setting i can use? i think FF should allow people sharing their filters.
- netvista
I think the thing with FriendFeed vs twitter is that on Twitter, the more people you follow, the more content you get. On FriendFeed, it's related to how active the people you follow are. You don't have to follow a lot of people with FoaF.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Did anyone even bring up ffholic.com? I guess I should scroll up.. brb
- Bwana ☠
intelligent participation - or FFundercats, whatever floats your boat :)
- JCunwired
this might take a while
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: Right, and you can discuss them in a more controlled manner.
- Michael McKean
I want a timestamp of the last activity on FF profiles. I was wondering where Scoble could be right now (instead of participating to this discussion). Just beside the "About 15 posts per day", there could be a "2 min since the last like/comment/FF post". That could also encourage users' activity.
- Jérôme
Man. This is not easy to do on an iPod touch
- Jason Mayoff
nobody brought it up yet, Bwana.. chrome search worked well in this window :)
- Phil Glockner
nope, no one brought up ffholic.com - which brings the follower/count game to FriendFeed
- Bwana ☠
andrew: click on Subscriptions, down at the bottom. They are called Groups now.
- Tony Miller
Jérôme: agreed
- Phil Maxwell
Firefox search says you're the only one
- JCunwired
Jerome: timestamps for comments too would be nice too
- Chris Heath
Ironic how Arrington is 3rd most popular user :)
- Bwana ☠
Chris, you can see timestamp by hovering over the quote symbol in left margin
- JCunwired
Chris: Hover over the bubble on the left.
- Michael McKean
Thanks Tony!
- Andrew Leahey
glad to help.
- Tony Miller
So twhirl for friendfeed, totally useless, right?
- Andrew Leahey
the timestamps work except for the most recent comments of an active post...they all say 1 second, 0 seconds, etc
- Phil Maxwell
Excellent FF tips that aren't readily apparent are surfacing in this thread.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
thanks for the responses on the timestamp comments ppl
- Chris Heath
I haven't found a FriendFeed client that rivals the web browser experience yet.
- Bwana ☠
I was messing around with AlertThingy all this time, I think thats why I didn't grasp the attraction.
- Andrew Leahey
This is a totally unmanageable thread. Most of the information here is lost and unfathomable. If there every was an argument for some sort of comments management (threaded or otherwise) this is it.
- Brian Sullivan
me either bwana, the iphone webapp is pretty good, i heard the beta iphone webapp kills the battery life though
- Chris Heath
andrew - with friendfeed, even though the api is great the web interface evolves faster than most developers can keep up with.. several microblogging clients have already given up on the challenge.
- Phil Glockner
why don't my ff posts copy to twitter anymore? i didn't change any settings
- Basenet InterMedia
Rob: what would you think of the ability to digg comment by clicking on their icon, so that you can sort the discussion by "most liked comment" and get all the best juice of this thread in just few seconds?
- Jérôme
Bwana: I don't really see the need for a client. The web interface works very well.
- Michael McKean
Phil: Good point, maybe when FF itself kind of stabilizes and settles somewhere, clients will start coming out that rival the experience?
- Andrew Leahey
afterdark, you may need to disable and reenable, they're still there
- JCunwired
Michael: Bwana was just replying to me asking if twhirl was worthwhile.
- Andrew Leahey
afterDARK, you're the second person i've heard say that today submit a bug http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Chris Heath
That's probably another reason why Twitter is so much more popular - smartphone clients
- JCunwired
I think the real value for 3rd parties are going to be things that work with the API in ways that the web interface doesn't already do. Like FFholic, for example.
- Phil Glockner
What I'd like out of a "client" could probably be accomplished with some sort of wrapper that managed a frameset that included embedable views ala http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Ken Sheppardson
Following somebody on Twitter is very light, and usually fake. Following on FriendFeed is an investment.
- Louis Gray
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Louis Gray *plays piano*
- Bwana ☠
jerome: likable comments would rock... then you could have the most liked comments in a thread... or within some constraint... even the most popular of the day
- Chris Heath
Thanks, i will submit a bug report
- Basenet InterMedia
Hi Louis!
- Jérôme
+100 Louis, well put
- JCunwired
@Scoble K, so Im lost how is this in Twitter's favor now?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Louis, kind of like what i was saying way above, friendfeeders are probably a bit more discerning in who they follow as well
- Chris Heath
ah, this is the first I've seen of FFholic
- Phil Maxwell
hehe Shawn, that's what I want to know - I want to hear Robert's theory
- JCunwired
If you can fill all your available inbound bandwidth by following 100 people, why would you follow 1000?
- Ken Sheppardson
So perhaps the Twitter follower count will retain the vanity, and FF will be more about what /you/ get out of it. Rather than Twitter, which is about all the who's getting something from you.
- Andrew Leahey
I think Scoble said it best, it's a game.
- Bwana ☠
@kshep, yeah once i'm into a discussion on friendfeed i like to use that embed view ... much cleaner imho
- Chris Heath
A game that ruins networks IMHO
- Bwana ☠
Ken - you never know what you don't know :)
- JCunwired
when you follow for sheer numbers I mean </clarification>
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, if your network is "everyone" is it really a network?
- Ken Sheppardson
totally agree @bwana (notice i'm sending to twitter as i type)
- Chris Heath
1.) Be Robert Scoble 2.) Start a thread on Twitter versus FriendFeed 3.) ??? 4.) PROFIT!!!
- Mike Nayyar
HAH!
- Bwana ☠
Oh my!
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: Well, following 100 people here means you see not just their stuff but the entries they engage on. That amplifies things at least 10x
- Ken Sheppardson
also, i'm not following you on twitter either... why get just your tweets? i want it all!!
- Chris Heath
hehe Mike, true. I do a happy dance if I get one comment for my posts :/
- JCunwired
I think its interesting to see the web getting pushed through these different filters. Like FF now, before it was digg for a little while.
- Andrew Leahey
Its like we're taking all new content added to the web and its sort of a value added proposition. Each service tacks something on as it passes through.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew, the web is still pushed thru digg, and digg is way bigger than friendfeed (currently) and bigger than twitter too
- Chris Heath
Digg bigger than twitter? Really?
- Andrew Leahey
digg has something like 30 million uniques per month... i'm not sure twitter has that... do they?
- Chris Heath
Chris: I recently heard 20 millions
- Jérôme
Well, what about Twitter client usage?
- Michael McKean
nobody knows how many users Twitter has
- JCunwired
I think Twitter takes Digg.
- Andrew Leahey
Front page digg counts have been declining, IMHO, I think the url shortening thing is going to take a big chunk out of them too.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: how many digg users have the alexa toolbar, really?
- Chris Heath
isn't alexa only counting internet explorer users?
- Chris Heath
probably a comparable ratio to alexa toolbar users that twitter from twitter.com
- Andrew Leahey
i'm very skeptical of alexa numbers - other traffic counters too...
- Chris Heath
don't get me wrong, im not anti-digg, or knocking it. i just think twitter has more exposure now.
- Andrew Leahey
"unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list" - so you're ideal model is everyone is subscribed to everyone by default and then people are responsible for organizing lists?
- Todd Hoff
definitely, its flawed. i just think its flawed pretty equally for those two particular sites. i dont know, no offense intended.
- Andrew Leahey
todd: i think he's trying to say subscribe to lots of people since you can cordon them off into lists
- Chris Heath
Todd Hoff: lol, unfortunately, Robert has left the thread.
- Jérôme
He said "be right back". Did he get lost on the way to the bathroom?
- Michael McKean
andrew: no offense taken, i have no ties to digg (emotional or otherwise) - i'm just not sure about the numbers
- Chris Heath
Robert probably wanted to say that if you decided to sub someone, you had good reasons which justify to put them in list rather than unsub them once they become to loud.
- Jérôme
[OT] I love the ability to edit a comment. That's great for non-native English speakers who want to keep up with the conversation without making dozens of typos per comment.
- Jérôme
jerome, if it would update the comment in real-time after you edit it that would be wicked cool too!
- Chris Heath
I want the comment to go italic for few seconds to let me know it was edited, that always helps.
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, *some* indication of an edit in RT would be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: sh*t, it doesn't?!
- Jérôme
Good idea.
- Zu from AOD
I've decided to follow everyone who has commented on this thread, why not. :)
- Phil Glockner
They could update the tooltip over the comment icon to display some info.
- Jérôme
jerome, i'm not sure, but have been told that you have to refresh to see edits
- Chris Heath
Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3... edit 4
- Ken Sheppardson
Phil, that could take some time!
- JCunwired
i refreshed: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
Actually that would be a useful feature - follow everyone in a conversation that you find stimulating
- JCunwired
anybody see "...edit 1, edit 2" showing up on my last comment when viewing the RT feed?"
- Ken Sheppardson
refreshed again: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
but you don't see them in RT?
- Ken Sheppardson
so i'd say pretty confidently that it's not updating in real-time : that seems pretty non-trivial to me
- Chris Heath
yep. me too, i.e. non-trivial
- Ken Sheppardson
well you can't always get everything you want... i just wish that they'd add some more stuff to the beta, i find myself going back to regular friendfeed to mess with subscriptions/rooms/settings and a couple other things too
- Chris Heath
yeah, I'm not getting the rooms thing... or the creating a feed for a room, that is no longer really a room.... but whatever :p
- Krikit Media
I'm *positive* they're going to be adding stuff in. There are things just just can't do right now without going back to pre-beta, and they're certainly not going to maintain both sites indefinitely. Tomorrow morning is the 1wk anniversary of beta. I wonder if that'll mean anything.
- Ken Sheppardson
They have to be very careful not to release too much features right now (if their goal is to go mainstream). Imagine if you had joined Facebook right now, with all its apps and buttons? Twitter is so simple, they've to upgrade slowly.
- Jérôme
[ot question to the chat]: i've been sending my FF comments to twitter... always have. but now in the beta i'm in conversations here much more (Gillmor Gang, TWiT shows etc) and i'm generating a lot of posts to twitter from my comments here. Is that probably a bad idea? would you turn them off? should i care? (since i'm still garnering twitter followers even quicker now that i'm posting to twitter more)
- Chris Heath
Scoble;The UI decides how the app is used. Conversations are interesting in FF and not twttr. Twitter added reply_ to ids some time back. What they are missing is a ui which looks like this. Optimized for a conversation under one topic.I would wager we will definitely see it some day. I suspect they are in no panic to add it and they might be thinking it is easier to gain momentum with the simpler feature set.
- Faizan
Ken: it'll mean it's been 7 days. I've confirmed that with a reliable source :)
- Phil Maxwell
And I just saw my first FF comment spam posted. FF is going to need some sort of mechanism to prevent that. Also the original poster of the feed item probably should have power to delete anyone's comments.
- Keith Barrett
They do
- Bwana ☠
Keith, you block them (not sure how in beta, but just remove beta. from the url and you can block them)
- Chris Heath
Interesting observation Robert. I've been observing the opposite with my FF vs Twitter accounts. The rate of new followers on Twitter has slowed for me (partially from spending more time here and elsewhere - partially from starting to just block numbers gamers that don't tweet) and the rate at which I'm finding new people following me here is (slowly) increasing.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris - personally I'm not nuts about the idea, but then I use Twitter and Friendfeed in two distinctly different ways. When I see a FF comment or like come over from FF to Twitter its often so out of context that its passed over
- JCunwired
jcunwired - yeah, it took a while! phew.
- Phil Glockner
Earlier in the week I think on Gilmore Gang on TWiT, Paul from FF said they were going to make the beta the standard within a couple of weeks.
- Basenet InterMedia
The system could be: if you're block by X% of people whose entries you've commented, you're kicked out!
- Jérôme
There needs to be a comment link at the bottom or hotkey for these long threads. omg
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Click the timestamp.
- Michael McKean
Jérôme: or just hide their comments by default like a lot of sites do
- Phil Maxwell
Jerome - jerks need social interaction too. A better policy would be to have those people all force-follow each other :)
- JCunwired
jcunwired: one thing i'm thinking about doing is to stop sending comments to twitter, but at the same time start sending likes to twitter (which i'm not doing now) that way i'll only send one link per discussion - you know i'm actually going to do that after typing it ... i've convinced myself
- Chris Heath
Phil: that's what I said. I hide, you hide, others hide, then FF catches the spammer, close his account, and thus, prevent others to be spammed
- Jérôme
I wish I could choose WHICH likes to send to Twitter. Or maybe I'm missing something?
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: love your idea!
- Jérôme
I think the real problem for someone like Robert is that the real time has increased the noise on people's home feeds, and they haven't really started to use lists and filters yet. ANd I have to agree with Robert about not unfollowing people -put them on a list, you never know when they might add more value later on. This is why you follow astronomical numbers in the first place. To find the gems
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Michael, I don't think you can differentiate. Its all or nothing.
- JCunwired
Here's one for you, Robert...on subject of filters...if I wanted a filter containing JUST my flickr feeds, how would I set up the filter?
- George Hall (Australia)
Jérôme : that's how tiwtter handles spammers ...seems to work pretty well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: I caught a lot of heat ffrom my twitter followers for the comments going to twitter during a discussion like this. I turn them on only when I really want a single comment to go there so they get the link with outme having to "like"something and give them the wrong idea
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall, i have a feeling that the feature you request will be forthcoming
- Chris Heath
Oh, I see. I thought most systems report the spammers for action, before hiding its posts to others, i.e you have to bear the flow of spam before the team in charge decides to take action.
- Jérôme
One ittty-bitty filter like that would make my beta experience complete...;-)
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, interesting i haven't heard word one from my twitter followers... i rarely do - most of my @replies come from ppl i've found via im@twitterspy.org
- Chris Heath
Michael: perhaps they could pop up a little check box below the Like asking if you would like to send it to Twitter? That would probably work.
- Phil Maxwell
I wish there was a way to choose each time I like or comment to send it outbound or not, or set the answer to that question as a default maybe a check box next to the comment or like links
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall - http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Mitch
guruvan: why that's an excellent idea.
- Phil Maxwell
Chris: I did hear from several 2 of which accused me of "spamming" them with ff.im links - but it was always after a discussion that moved like this one is...where it was multiple comments pretty quickly....So I leave the Likes turned on by default, and the comments off.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
NOW my beta experience is complete...thank you Mitch. That can be adapted to the other services, I take it?
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, that's what i was affraid of and i've done exactly as you have
- Chris Heath
Yeah for sure. I think friendfeed is service:internal
- Mitch
Phil: LOL! Great Mind think alike 'eh ?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: That's why I'd like to be able to turn the outbound feed on and off right at the discussion. A lot of comments are really just that - comments...I'd like those posted to twitter to get more people involved in the goings on over here. But I don't think they need to see a link to every time I say something in a thread. (which could be yet another feature...not posting outbound more than once per thread per time period)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan, earlier today (and yesterday) i had the idea to turn it off while commenting on twit-conversations but decided not to (changed my mind now) - but the once per thread per time period is an interesting idea too
- Chris Heath
Mitch: Got everything set as a filter except any specific rss feed. How does one do that?
- George Hall (Australia)
Chirs: If it was easier I would turn it on and off all the time. I get a lot of traffic/RTs and follows on twitter form the FF likes and comments. It really only irritates with it's like 10 in a few minutes. Some twitter people feel "spammed" on the likes because they have to click 2 times to get to the story that I liked. I wouldn't mind seeing the "original link" check box next to the like link. -so that if there isn't (or isn't likely to be) discussion I want them to see, I can send them straight away.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George: Check with Mark Traphagen (trappermark) re: RSS filter..he's been working on that and I don't recall where that stood.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And to add to that point: With the way that many, if not most, twitter users are following massive quantities, and yet still using the website, or a client and no groups, how COULD they see Robert's tweets? But they MUST see Robert's tweets, or Louis gray couldn't have said this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
curious as to why this friendfeed comparison to twitter discussion is (as the saying goes) beaten in like a dead horse -in so many variety of ways. is it really that fascinating in describing advantages of friend feed over twitter? (i'm agnostic in either service but curious as to the catalyst(s) in why this is a continuous thing.) there's mechanistic differences, but isn't the point of all this to make of it all what we will? make it our own?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I think people readily follow on Twitter because the tolerance for spam on Twitter is higher. It is after all a 140 char message. But on Friendfeed with all the metadata and functionality you really want items that are meaningful to you.
- Vishy
Holy long comment thread, batman! (aside: the existence of such comment threads is one of the advantages of FF) Okay, so I think FF will only succeed if it can encapsulate your entire Twitter existence within FF itself. In other words, on top of all the great things FF does, it needs to become a good Twitter client. This will take some serious pumping up of tools like imaginary friends...
- Karen James
Takes a while to catch up on 300+ comments =P @Netvista: you asked about sharing filters. There's is a room/group where people are doing just that http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... When they share a filter, it's a link to a specific search result. When you're looking at the result, there's a link @ the top in the red bar to create a filter from it. @Mitch and George: to search only FF generated posts, service:friendfeed works.
- FFing Enigma
So did Scolble finaaaallly answer his comment? "So how does Twitter favor from this BIG difference?" Or was he just inciting more frenzy Scoble style? Looks to be not yet...he disappeared.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Shawn, it's 6 am in Scoble's time zone. Even he has to sleep sometime =)
- FFing Enigma
Both of them have users forcing people to click through which is a pain. End.
- Richard A.
I tried to read this thread but it was at 600+ comments. Does FF have a tl;dr auto-summarizer yet? No offense folks, but I don't have an hour on Monday morning to catch up here.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Timestamps would be nice too.
- Chris Poulson
Timestamps for what, Chris, the comments? Those are available: hover over the speech bubble to the left of a comment
- FFing Enigma
Tina beat me to it, but beyond the bubble, some sort of timestamps would be nice so you can just scan the list and tell who said what when. For example, I'd like to be able to see what folks said after I gave up keeping up with the discussion on this around 10pm or so last night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Exactly Ken... Maybe something more along the lines of how Twitter does it. "Chris Poulson 34s ago"
- Chris Poulson
I don't buy that FF generates less followers. The sample size is much smaller to pull from. For an apples to apples compares we need to look at percentages. I'll bet you, percentage wise, you have more followers on FF and Twitter.
- James Furlo
Why do we have to focus so much on the tools? We couldn't expect this behavior to go mainstream. They are nothing other than means to enhance human interactions and relationships. Twitter is about notification and Friendnfeed is better at conversation; but let's ask what's the value of social media to us human being. I'd like to just be able to follow what I think are the best aspects of the people I like, so that I can be good at one thing and leverage on them when it comes what I think they are gd at.
- Tim Lai
*bumps* the contradictions are just ubiquitous
- The Real sofarsoShawn
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