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Is Jaiku still being used by someone?

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Crickets. - Leo Laporte

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I don't even know what it is. - Fleagle

I found it a bit limiting, yet the client was needlessly complex. Deleted. - dthree

Didn't they move it to the AppEngine platform anyway? It's not a terribly complex site, after all. Anyway, the bits of it that improved upon Twitter were somewhat unnecessary, IMO. It didn't innovate over Twitter enough for anything to happen with it. - Otto

Google did their damnedest to kill it by suspending new registrations, then moved it to App Engine, and when it reopened they canceled the US shortcode so you can't post from a text message. Plus, it no longer pulls in external feeds, FriendFeed-style. I used to like Jaiku a lot, but there's no longer any point to it. - Larry Anderson

I used to use it pretty much the same way I use Friendfeed. :) I have not touched it in a year or more. - Sean Brady

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One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed (in Twitter's favor too!!!). See here:

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People follow on Twitter. My friendfeed rates have gone way down. - Robert Scoble

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I looked into a few people I've recommended. On Twitter they are getting followed at a MUCH higher rate than their friendfeed accounts are. - Robert Scoble

That's not a good trend for friendfeed, because it means that there's a much stronger power law in effect there where people like me will have more power to get content noticed than new people who come along. - Robert Scoble

That is because Twitter is getting a lot of mainstream media attention unlike Friendfeed. - Veetrag

I wonder why that is? I have some theories that I'll explore over next few minutes. - Robert Scoble

either im missing something...or haven't used friendfeed much... can you only comment on the main post - or can you comment on a comment? - Cole Orton

Come to the live version of this post to join along in live time: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

It's much easier to add people in twitter and then to just ignore them. FriendFeed is much richer. - Kevin Gamble

Robert, just because you recommend someone on FF doesn't mean they'll automatically get followed. If he or she isn't interacting here, why would I? I could just read their tweets elsewhere. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

i really think ff is missing out if you can't comment on a comment - Cole Orton

Veetrag: not true. I filtered out for numbers of people on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Tina; yet on Twitter if I recommend someone they get followed in droves. - Robert Scoble

twitter doesn't require an attention span, which a lot of the internet doesn't have anymore - BCK

Robert: When you Like and comment on entries from the folks you follow on FriendFeed, you're putting their material in our line of sight. It's not as important to follow massive numbers of people on FF, because one's network does the work of pulling in new content. - Ken Sheppardson

Cole: what are you talking about. Just use the first name of the comment you are replying to, just like I did. - Robert Scoble

Brevity of information in twitter? More thorough information on friendfeed? It depends on how much the follower is wanting/willing to consume. - jcunwired

While your point may be true, I don't understand if it means anything.... - Bwana ☠

BCK: nope, I don't think you've hit the answer either. - Robert Scoble

jcunwired: FAIL too. You still haven't hit it. - Robert Scoble

Flashback to 1997. Twitter = Lotus cc:Mail. FF = MS Outlook/Exchange. - Peter Ghosh

that just seems like bad design - there's no "link" as to what comment you're commenting on that way. - Cole Orton

Just try to have this conversation in Twitter. That's not happening. - Kevin Gamble

That's true, Robert, but assuming you're talking about the rec you made Friday night 1) it was in a comment, not your original post (which would get more attention) and 2) time of day really does matter. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Bwana: on Twitter everyone's page has tiles of the people who they've followed and the numbers of people they are following. Twitter has created a "follower game." Friendfeed doesn't make that game so obvious so people don't play it. - Robert Scoble

Friendfeed is more serious than twitter. I mean that friendfeed is used for spreading interesting topics and conversations. Twitter is more to get updated and the majority uses for uhm lets see.. nothing useful. - Rafael

I already follow 1300 people. I only follow more people if they A) are adding good content B) are participating or C) are friends/family - Alex Scoble

No follower game is a bad thing? FOaF obsoletes it imho. - Bwana ☠

I have followed you on friendfeed since yesterday... much easier to break through the noise, but I have been on Twitter longer so I tend to follow your recomends there. - Michael Angelo Truncale

I can interact very easily with people I'm not following on here. Sometimes I don't even realize that I'm not following certain people. - Michael McKean

Tina: I've been watching the follower numbers of other people who recommend people too. On friendfeed we are far more adverse. I believe that the real-time version of friendfeed has caused people to unsubscribe, too. - Robert Scoble

I get all kinds of nuggets on FriendFeed from people I don't follow... through FoaF - Bwana ☠

You don't have to necessarily be friend with someone on FF to see his/her comments. If it's a friend of a friend you'll see a lot of likes/comments of that person "for free". - Christoph Studer

Michael: you can tell you're not following. Their icons next to their comments are white. - Robert Scoble

Bwana: exactly - Christoph Studer

i am very confused by this posting. what are we supposed to "see here?" - @baratunde

@Robert - welcome the the Friendfeed clique mindset - Steven Hodson

@baratunde: the conversation. - Robert Scoble

I agree that people are trimming their follows possibly due to real time. That's their choice. On the other hand, content is still readily accessible via FoaF (assuming of course that it's still on). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Steven: yes, we are cliques here. More like nodes. - Robert Scoble

My followers who don't follow Robert, see this conversation by default. Twitter doesn't do that. - Bwana ☠

I find the real-time version of FF makes me want to stay and watch more. This conversation, for example, is very interesting and great to watch in real time. - Jason Mayoff

Tina: unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list. - Robert Scoble

Since beta I've had lots of new subs - have you just reached critical mass, Robert, whereby everyone on FF is only a FOAF away from you? - WorldofHiglet

i'm thinking i'd use friendfeed more - if there was a killer mobile (ahem, iphone) app for it - Cole Orton

Bwana: true, and that makes following people a lot less important. But it does give hyper connectors like me more power to get a lot of people involved in a conversation. - Robert Scoble

Well hyper connectors is something Twitter has in spades :) - Bwana ☠

Robert, lame or not that's what people are doing (and really, you're going to call someone else's choice lame just because it's not what you would do?). Lists are an option, filters are an option, and so is unsubscribing. So is doing nothing. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

WorldofHiglet: I still am getting new subs, but this isn't about me. I'm watching normal people's follower behavior. - Robert Scoble

Tina: it's lame. It's also a free world, so I can call behavior lame. :-) - Robert Scoble

This Sunday night conversation is brought to you by... Rackspace... And now, back to our program - Bwana ☠

It's also interesting how a conversation like this goes hot and heavy for about two minutes and then just dies as it rolls off of everyone's pages and the numbers of comments gets too unweildy to navigate. - Robert Scoble

Why follow a lot of people when FF search and filters are so powerful? - Tom Landini

Cole: agree. Would love to see a killer iPhone app. - Jason Mayoff

i also don't like that i have to scroll alllll the way up to click the comment link if/when i have all the comment fully expanded on a post that has, say, >10 comments. - Cole Orton

Hey, I know: how 'bout we try to get over counting stuff? - Ken Sheppardson

Robert: unfollowing people is "stupid"?? - Ken Kennedy

One word - twollo.com - that's why Twitter has higher follow rates - Jesse Stay

Ken: humans love counting. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Lots of things humans love aren't good for them. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: yes. Just put the people you hate onto another list. That way you can watch and see if they get more value later. - Robert Scoble

I don't know about the rest of you, but my stats on Twitter vs my stats here don't make a damned bit of difference to me. Here, I barely follow any stats beyond how many people like my posts and who they are. On Twitter, there seems to be this huge drive for getting bigger, better numbers of followers, how many tweets someone has posted, etc. Guess what? It's bullshit. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Its a lot easier on Twitter to follow ppl ,its like the 1 click amazon patent :-) - Johni Fisher

Tom: I think you are right there - if I was starting FF now I wouldn't necessarily follow the people I do now and use filters to find the stuff i want. Which would be awhole different experience. - WorldofHiglet

Chris: bingo, but on the other hand, it's a game that people like to play. - Robert Scoble

Let me rephrase: users will look to you for how they think they're supposed to use the service. Calling a use choice lame is your way of directing their use. As for who gets followers: what's more useful, a couple hundred mildly interested follows just because Scoble mentioned you, or 10-20 really interested follows that found you via a search, filter, or FoaF? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I enjoy FriendFeed a hell of a lot more than I do Twitter, simply because I don't have the drive to improve my stats. I can post whatever and expect real responses and discussions, not plain old resharing and quick-quip replies. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

I totally agree with Chris. - Rafael

Funny, but I want to tweet about this discussion, but I can't find a link to it. (New to FF) - Jason Mayoff

Tina: +1. - Ken Kennedy

Tina: well, following me is lame too. :-) But unfollowing really is lame. It sends a message to those people that they aren't important anymore. Everyone is important. - Robert Scoble

Jason: Click the timestamp under the entry - Bwana ☠

If people are more concerned about how many people they follow, how many are following them, and how many things they're pushing out, they're missing out on the opportunity to really affect things. They're simply playing for the score, not for the game. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Chris: Right. I'd rather have "low" stats and high interactivity rather than high numbers of people who I'm not particularly interested in. - Michael McKean

Jason: the permalink is the time underneath the headline (timestamp). Or, this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

Wow!! I got real-time back on threads!! Yay! - Bwana ☠

Thanks... odd place to put it. - Jason Mayoff

Jason - that's where Twitter puts it as well :) - Bwana ☠

It's quality vs quantity. FF = quality. Twitter = quantity. - Brian

Jason: it is odd, but it is always there and you'll never forget it. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

What I fail to understand every time one of these conversations is brought up is why they are brought up at all. Comparing apples to oranges never results in any definitive result. - jcunwired

What Bwana said - FoaF Also, I think twitter's 15 mins of fame is almost up IMHO - BEX

It's a LOT easier to get followers on Twitter, whereas on FF it's like pulling teeth. The whole point of social media is to be social, and if users can't socialize quickly "out of the box", then they'll move on. - Ryan Garns

who feel's these real-time posts are hard to follow? - Cole Orton

Brian: the thing is my friendfeed is moving a lot faster than my Twitter and I'm following a lot fewer people here. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is follows the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. For some, FriendFeed looks too complicated and they don't feel like spending that extra time to benefit from the true purpose of the network. Though I'm reassured that most people on here understand what FriendFeed has to offer over Twitter. - Michael Forian

Wouldn't it be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for entering comments when threads get long and fast like this one? - Tom Landini

jcunwired: I disagree. I learn something by doing comparisons to other services. - Robert Scoble

Now, if it's NOT real-time--it feels lethargic. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

omg this conversation is moving so fckn fast! I just get a up to drink a coke and when I came back. OMG! Frind feed was exploded! - Rafael

Cole: go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... now scroll to the bottom of the page and just keep it there. VERY easy to follow. - Robert Scoble

Cole: I like real-time. You catch what you catch. You miss what you miss. - Jason Mayoff

Michael: FriendFeed doesn't look as complicated as it used to. Or at least the beta doesn't. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

I think Friendfeed feels like a content vacuum, I have no confidence whatsoever that I can get what I put in to it -- back out. - Andrew Leahey

Jason: I find that if I miss something cool my filters catch it later. - Robert Scoble

and if you miss it, oh well... ooh, look a penny - Bwana ☠

I don't feel that way with twitter. - Andrew Leahey

one big diff is the showing of following/subcriptions and followers/subcribers. Twitter showed it on the mainpage while ff show it on your profile page. in a way, twitter succeed when everyone is trying to win in the number game. but i feel ff is where real conversation can be held between more than one stranger across the world. and it can be more than 140 chars. - Gerald Neo

andrew: you really need to look into filters. And read my blog from the other day. - Robert Scoble

Andrew: do you mean being able to find your content within FF, or do you mean getting a return on the hours you're investing? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Andrew: Try following even 250 people. I pretty much ignore half the stuff that goes by on Twitter these days because I can't follow it all. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

twitter's brand and uniform design are untouchable right now - not about features; twitter can develop them - Andy Fox

scoble - that is easier to track. thanks. - Cole Orton

I can find content so much easier on FriendFeed, it's scary - Bwana ☠

The purpose of participating in twitter and the purpose of participating in friendfeed produce entirely different results, that's what I'm saying. I stay on friendfeed because I enjoy the conversations that others share about an individual's comment, shared item, etc. I use twitter to make me aware of the comment or share. Very different experience. - jcunwired

Twitter search is like a hive now - Bwana ☠

Scoble: I just discovered filters, I'll check out the blog post for sure. - Andrew Leahey

Andrew: http://scobleizer.com/2009... this shows how much better friendfeed is for finding valuable stuff. - Robert Scoble

Twitter Search is about the only good thing left with Twitter. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Thanks for the info sir. - Andrew Leahey

It's not the quantity, it's the quality... That said, how many seriously deranged cyber-geeks are engaging in this conversation? FF is still too confusing for the average user. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

"FriendFeed Filters are the star of the beta" A brilliant guy wrote that. - Bwana ☠

jcunwired: true, that's why I have a screen that is all about Tweetdeck. - Robert Scoble

I think FF could have made the live pages like this could do well to have the newer comments on top instead of updating at the bottom - Charles Rice

I can easily dive in and swim with a conversation in FF. Twitter now feels very random. - kilbuda

Chris: Twitter search is fine, but if you have search but no content then you've got nothing - Jason Mayoff

Bwana - that too. In a sense, I use friendfeed as a source of bookmarks (knowledge). Twitter would not give me that. - jcunwired

Vermonter: I'm only slightly deranged. - Michael McKean

Only thing that scares me about FriendFeed is history. That area seems iffy. - Bwana ☠

Vermonter: really? Facebook is more complicated than Twitter OR friendfeed and it has 10x the users of Twitter. MySpace is more complicated than that, and has 7x the users of Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Bwana: what do you mean by "history? - Robert Scoble

We cant find on Twitter this kind of conversation as we do now live here - Johni Fisher

Robert: Search history...how far back can I go? - Bwana ☠

Bwana: all the way. - Robert Scoble

Bwana: Twitter only goes back a few months. - Robert Scoble

as I said, twitter is good for updates and curiosities, Friendfeed is good for conversations about interesting topics(or not). Frienfeed is the serious side of twitter - Rafael

The quality of content is more important! I got more info from FF. The content from twitter in FF is just a little part! - netvista

Robert: that wasn't always the case. Is this a recent change? - Bwana ☠

Bwana: I can't find my Tweets from the Chinese Earthquake over on Twitter, for instance. - Robert Scoble

What I like about FF is that I can sit here and have/watch this conversation without being distracted by thousands of other things going by. - Michael McKean

Bwana: you can search for it, but you can't page back more than 300 items unfortunately (here on friendfeed). - Robert Scoble

I'm a relative FF newbie and this discussion has sold me. I'm stayin'. - Jason Mayoff

Bwana: the content has always been there on FF, available by search. The pagination that far back has been restricted though - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Jason: welcome! - Robert Scoble

Nice to have you join us, Jason =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Yeah I have to say, this discussion has seriously changed my opinion on FF. Thanks Robert. - Andrew Leahey

Jason - you've found the Holy Grail! :) - jcunwired

@Robert... True.. Facebook is unwieldy, too. But mass usage has forced tolerance. Unwarranted tolerance perhaps. Hard to see how FF will gain traction unless users help make use of FF clearer. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Tina: echo! Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Welcome to the club, Jason! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

The Holy Grail indeed - Jason Mayoff

Robert: that's what I mean. - Bwana ☠

And that means I can't archive all of my FriendFeed data if I wanted - Bwana ☠

You can't have a filtered real-time feed yet correct? That's the functionality I'm waiting for! - Keith Barrett

Bwana: true. I hope they fix that. It's important for Track. - Robert Scoble

Hence the "iffy" description. I'm hoping they fix that later. - Bwana ☠

Keith: right. They promise that as a feature to come. We call that "Track." - Robert Scoble

I think they should rename the "comments" on here. I'm not sure I'd call these comments. This is like a topic-driven chat. - Andrew Leahey

Keith: I'd like to see that as well. - Michael McKean

Bwana: but at least the data is there. It is NOT there on Twitter. Horrid. - Robert Scoble

Robert: How do you sort of...back up your tweets? FF? - Andrew Leahey

andrew: yes. But it is searchable. And you can come back and add onto it forever. - Robert Scoble

You mean there's no record of all that's gone on on Twitter? - Jason Mayoff

Just used Safari search on this conversation to find who mentioned a killer iphone app making a difference for FF (Jason). Agreed. - kilbuda

andrew: I don't. - Robert Scoble

Andrew: it's both, depending on the topic at hand. If you play with the DM feature to a group of people, it's definitely like a chat. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Jason: try to find my Chinese earthquake tweets. I tried and I can't get to them. - Robert Scoble

Jason: they might be in a database somewhere, but you can't search on anything older than about August of last year, if I remember right. - Robert Scoble

Facebook/Friendfeed are also very different. Our real life friends and our social networking friends are entirely different audiences. What FF brings is a different perspective - the opportunity to share with those who might not agree with us, who might teach us something that we wouldn't learn from our circle of RL friends. Invaluable, incalculable. - jcunwired

I'm not even going to bother expanding all the comments. I'm just going to assume Scoble said something along the lines of "Easy access to cat pictures, babby pictures, my brother, FFundercats, Leather Donut" - Mike Nayyar

Robert: where do you find the permalink to this thread? - Tom Landini

At any rate, since the beta, Twitter has seen less of me. - Bwana ☠

Tom: on the date under the topic that started this. - Robert Scoble

I'll get this one. The date. CLick the date - Jason Mayoff

And if the beta improves, it may get worse for Twitter in my world. - Bwana ☠

That's what I'm talking about! Look how the conversation change the focus. Now we have another interesting things being discussed here... Thats awsome right? - Rafael

Tom - click on the timestamp - jcunwired

To get back on topic a little... it would be really cool if when you clicked a white chat bubble on the left if it turned to blue and you were following them... like a toggle button. Do you think that would lower the barrier too much? like people digging stories they havent read. - Frankie Warren

Yes, I just went and searched http://search.twitter.com for any tweet last June that mentioned "earthquake." None appeared. FAIL. - Robert Scoble

So just out of curiosity, what is the page within FF that you spend most of your time browsing/following? Filters? An individual post like this? - Andrew Leahey

Frankie: I would LOVE that. - Robert Scoble

Robert, very curious about your theory that prompted this post. - jcunwired

Thanks: the permalink page puts a comment box under all the comments so it's easy to enter stuff. - Tom Landini

Here's the thing. I'm a fairly sophisticated user. But I don't have any idea how to follow this thread, or why I even got here. Or how to follow (I'm don't text. Web only.) I think that presents a challenge for FF adoption. I've been wrong before. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Frankie: If you hover over someone's name next to their comment you can subscribe from right there. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

andrew: me? I skip around my filters when my lists slow down (in real-time) - Bwana ☠

I don't stay in one place very long - Bwana ☠

unless it's a juicy thread like this one - Bwana ☠

Andrew: I have five friendfeed screens open at most times. Home screen. Tech list. A window like this one. And a filter or two or something else I'm tracking. - Robert Scoble

Is there a reason to add new comments to bottom, not the top, thus avoiding having to scroll? - kilbuda

I'm a speed reader. I love these fast-paced conversations :) - jcunwired

Hmm, interesting. I'm just trying to get a handle on how people who have found FF really integral, use it. - Andrew Leahey

Tina: yes, but then it refreshes the page. - Robert Scoble

Good deal. - Andrew Leahey

Once Internet users have decided to play the microblogging game, they're ready to adopt one microblogging tool, and only one (forget the geeks). Then, if their intention is to notify friends about their actions and thoughts, they'll take Twitter. Because even CNN may follow them there ;) If their goal is to discuss and discover stuff, they'll take the plunge with FF. Unfortunately, 98% of those users want only to notify and be sure their notification won't get lost in a "content vaccum" (andrew's words). - Jérôme Flipo

kilbuda: the comment box is static on the bottom if you navigate to the thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Bwana ☠

That's an area FriendFeed has to fix - Bwana ☠

Vermonter: new friendfeed UI makes it very possible to follow. Visit here, scroll to the bottom, and watch! http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

It's not about friendfeed anymore (unless something radical happens) - facebook is the hulk (no pun intended) in the room - Antonio Altamirano

Heh.. they really need to make the permalink more noticeable. :) - Michael McKean

Facebook is boring to me... - Bwana ☠

Funny someone mentioned searchability. I just discovered the limitations of that on Twitter this morning. When I can't look back past thrity days without having to learn how to use the API...and that really irritates me. - George Hall (Australia)

You can use the friendfeed sidebar too... its very easy to follow! - Rafael

Bwana: I wish they would make it so new comments appear at top. - Robert Scoble

185 comments here are just fine - no way I can follow a conversation of 185 tweets. - Bora Zivkovic

Perfect! Thanks, Bwana. - kilbuda

Bora: I do. :-) - Robert Scoble

Bora: you've got to get in when it starts. - Jason Mayoff

Did you know FF copied Twitter's permalink format? ;) - Jérôme Flipo

tina: thanks! haha i just tried it on you :) - Frankie Warren

Antonio - I disagree. Mudane conversations and thoughts are all I get from FB, FF adds a new dimension to what the mind can absorb. - jcunwired

I learn here. I rarely learn anything at Facebook. - Kevin Gamble

YEP, new comments definantely need to feed in from the top for me, too. - CLC Radio

I use Friendfeed alerts, and I can tell when these conversations get too noisy, which is now! - Francine Hardaway

Comments on top; agreed Robert. - kilbuda

Actually I find that th most useful thing about Twitter search is that the results include private and deleted tweets :) - Keith Barrett

hehe Francine - jcunwired

lol Keith - Bwana ☠

don't get me started on that - Bwana ☠

Anyway, who was asking about my theory? - Robert Scoble

me - jcunwired

Francine: get onto real time and give up on alerts. Alerts are old school. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Did you know that if you re-click the permalink from the permalink, you get a pretty simple window? - Jérôme Flipo

I think the idea behind having comments appear at the bottom rather than the top is because somebody's under the (perhaps naive) impression people actually read everything other folks wrote before they comment themselves :-) - Ken Sheppardson

agree - atanas

jcunwired, what would you like to know? My theory is that people on Twitter follow a lot more. Mostly because it's a lot easier to follow, but also because everyone knows how many followers everyone else has (it's on their main UI). - Robert Scoble

Ken - good point. Case study: Youtube - Bwana ☠

Ken - New comments appear at the top and no one reads the history - Bwana ☠

I would like to be able to comment on a comment. I'm into real time, but sometimes I like to follow FF out of the corner of my eye and not focus on this conversation. I multitask - Francine Hardaway

here you can find a way to follow these conversations right in your firefox sidebar: http://userstyles.org/styles... - Rafael

Alerts? Is that like a fax? - Phil Maxwell

Ken: i click the comment button before i read the thread so its waiting for me at the bottom :) - Frankie Warren

Robert - someone already brought that up. Twitter is a popularity contest. - jcunwired

@Robert Thanks for the FF beta tip. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Robert; thanks. And I second the request to have an option to display comments at the top of a real-time display, however I think that for older, inactive postings I'd prefer to read the comments in order. - Keith Barrett

Francine: I multitask too. I just run five screens. :-) - Robert Scoble

I submit the follower game can ruin the quality of the network - Bwana ☠

Agreed, Bwana. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

The topic we talk about is not popular entry in "Best of Day", no real time statistics? - netvista

+100 Bwana - jcunwired

Oh, I like the pop-up window. I didn't realize that Friendfeed can do that. - Robert Scoble

I really hope FF never threads/indents comment. An entry's a nice unit of conversation. If something needs it's own branch, just start another entry. - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed is just too much for the typical user. First you have to "get it". On Twitter there's not much to "get". You put some words in the box and hit send. - Eric Florenzano

netvista: good point. That's a bug. We should start a spreadsheet for the friendfeed team of things that are bugs. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Pop-up windows? - Rafael

Robert: How? - Rafael

Well Robert a new thing in your theory - Bwana ☠

I've gotten 3 new followers from this thread - Bwana ☠

Rafael. Click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

Eric: there are people who use FF exactly the same way, they type some words and update it, leave it at that - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

interesting - Bwana ☠

Rafael, sorry that's wrong. - Robert Scoble

I wonder if Twitter users get new followers from a conversation - Bwana ☠

Robert - yeah i realized right now - Rafael

Eric - that is very true. There is a learning curve to FriendFeed that does not give the instant satisfaction of Twitter. - jcunwired

Rafael: from your feed click the timestamp of a post. On the resulting page, click the timestamp again, and you'll get the pop out window - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Rafael, click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then click on the timestamp again. - Robert Scoble

Sweet! Thanks Robert! - Phil G

Robert: Thank you so much! - Rafael

Robert: echo =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

jcunwired: friendfeed is a Formula Race Car. It takes a while to learn to drive, but when you do it does a lot of stuff a Prius can't. - Robert Scoble

like the popout window... - kilbuda

Robert: Sweet find. Thanks for pointing that out. - Brian

me too - Rafael

I saw brett do that in you video robert and was curious how it worked :) - Frankie Warren

... and no reverse gear ;) - Phil G

Pop out window is cool. - Tom Landini

oh and it leaves the comment open at the bottom! epic. - Frankie Warren

Speaking of which, I gotta plug in, my battery is low :) - jcunwired

Frankie: I missed a lot of stuff that Bret showed us because I was trying to keep the camera focused. Did you like the videos? - Robert Scoble

now i can browse and keep lookin to the pop-up without losing any comment - Rafael

Yeah love the popout window. Wanted to hug Ben when I saw him post it - Bwana ☠

FF can do tricks! - kilbuda

I'm still learning how to be a power user of friendfeed. I haven't memorized the keyboard commands yet. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Just watched the vids now. Rly interesting stuff, thx for putting them up. Sometimes was hard to understand questions from the audience, though... - Christoph Studer

Ben: Its better you run... everybody wants to hug you ;) - Rafael

Any one got new follows from this conversation? - netvista

Robert: i loved the video!! seriously its very difficult to figure out how to use friendfeed at first effectively. seeing best practices from power users helped a lot - Frankie Warren

I have netvista - Bwana ☠

I still prefer tabs over popup unless I have multiple monitors active - jcunwired

A popout of a tracked real-time feed would be the best! - Keith Barrett

I think its cause Bwana is an awesome name though ;) - Frankie Warren

I bought a 24 inch monitor just to use Friendfeed on. - Robert Scoble

heh Frankie - Bwana ☠

FF should do something like Gmail chat. - Christoph Studer

Keith - you are right... but you can have a Firefox sidebar you know? - Rafael

Now the balance has shifted back to FF - sofarsoShawn

Christoph: the realtime combined with the DM capablity makes it a lot like Gmail chat, actually. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Watch multiple conversations in pop up windows - Christoph Studer

netvista3987 - How would you know? - Phil Maxwell

hmm, there's an idea - having interesting realtime conversations like this in sidebar - jcunwired

Christoph: yeah, it really rocks using the popups. - Robert Scoble

Exactly, jcunwired. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Christoph: current features are largely sufficient - Jérôme Flipo

I want to dock good conversations on my blog. - Robert Scoble

Wow, I've put that read through a text-to-speech app, makes it even more productive right now, This could make a little booklet from it. The new forum post experience. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Interesting search/filter, at least 100 comments and -friends:username. Interesting FF'rs you've missed. - Andrew Leahey

Robert: I f you use Firefox, try to use this sidebar, easily bookmark you realtime page to bookmarks bar and in properties choose to open with the sidebar : http://userstyles.org/styles... - Rafael

want a sidebar-like window? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (I'm in Chrome, can't do it) - Jérôme Flipo

Maybe have the "pop outs" integrated into the main window instead of new browser windows. Would make it easier for me to track multiple discussions from one spot. - Christoph Studer

is there no RSS for comments? - Phil Maxwell

Kinda like a big party... wouldn't it be cool to be able to break off into small groups, as new topics develop? - kilbuda

This format kinda makes the comment count they used to have meaningless now... theres a big difference between one well thought out comment and just chatting in the pop out. - Frankie Warren

Phil Maxwell: because i subscribe someone here for this conversation! haha - netvista

Frankie: Agree - Christoph Studer

Phil: you can subscribe to someone's comments and there should be an rss for that feed - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Rafael I did, but I also like popouts, plus firefox doesn't run on my phone and I suspect I can just plug this URL into a browser. - Keith Barrett

Frankie: I agree. I wish I could see how many items I have commented on, not how many comments I've seen. - Robert Scoble

Doesn't look to be an RSS for a single comment but yes a personal feed Tina - sofarsoShawn

what about comments for an individual post?: - Phil Maxwell

I'm glad they added that. I love being to able to subscribe to someone's likes and not their comments and/or posts - Bwana ☠

Frankie: Right. I wouldn't even call these "comments". - Michael McKean

Phil: unfortunately, no - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Bwana: agreed (again). Haven't delved in using it yet but I think it's an interesting option. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Keith: Uhm I understand you. maybe when Mozilla launch the mobile Firefox you will be able to do that! - Rafael

How can I measure my self worth if no one follows me. - Demian Vonder Kuhlen from Nambu

Anyway, Twitter brings me interesting content, but FriendFeed is true brain candy. I'll never get this level of conversation or knowledge from twitter. - jcunwired

Michael: the engagement of friendfeed has gone WAY up in new friendfeed due to the real time comments. - Robert Scoble

Maybe "comment counts" should be more like "like counts". One comment per discussion and user. - Christoph Studer

I like pronouncing the name Bwana out loud: it's fun: Bwwannna. Heeehehhee - sofarsoShawn

Demian: I'll follow you. - Robert Scoble

O_o - Bwana ☠

Yeah, these are much less "comments" and more just sorta empty "yeah me too, lol" style stuff. Like, you know... tweets. - Ken Sheppardson

Demian: life's hard sometimes :) - Phil Maxwell

You know; it's too bad I can't just click a comment speak bubble image and have it automatically format it as a comment response by filling in the name) - Keith Barrett

Wow.. I never noticed that you can subscribe to comments and likes! - Michael McKean

So the pop-out window moves much faster without the load of the page...nice - Wallace

I think you're looking at this wrong Robert. The big difference with FF is Friend of a Friend. I use *you* to bring me other people. I trust you to *filter* it for me. After a while I might add someone who continually pops up in my feed via your FOAF, but why subscribe right off the bat. The context between Twitter and FriendFeed is different. It's not about quantity and reaching follower numbers, it's about quality and interaction. - AJ Kohn

AJ: good point, but that gives me a lot more power than I have over on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Sorry Bwana, it's just one of those things: I'm weird - sofarsoShawn

FriendFeed is great for deep threaded conversation ... but Twitter generates so much more exposure. - Brandon

can you imagine this conversation on Twitter... I mean really. - Bwana ☠

AJ: I don't mind the power, though, cause I'm an egotistical bbaaahhhssstttaaarrrddd. Just ask my brother. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Robert: It's not necessarily a bad thing to have "hubs" with power, is it? You have them in real life, too. - Christoph Studer

Exposure? or false Hype? - sofarsoShawn

Anyone using the sidebar script for Firefox? - Andrew Leahey

Christoph: true, I'm not sure it's a bad thing. It's a good thing as long as I behave. If I start being an asshole, then it's a bad thing. - Robert Scoble

Bwana, I reach for the advil just thinking about it :) - jcunwired

Scoble's a power hungry Green Hulkster - sofarsoShawn

sofarsoshawn: What's the difference? :) - Michael McKean

Robert: i agree with that... with out an install base its really hard for comments to get noticed in the real time feed unless you have a bunch of people keeping your stuff at the top. - Frankie Warren

The point is Twitter is a hype! Appear in all big corporations and tv programs... twitter has big popularity... friend feed is a shy guy at the moment - Rafael

Christoph: power corrupts eventually, though. - Robert Scoble

Robert: And people will start treating you as one, i.e. unsubscribe. :-) - Christoph Studer

Christoph: you nailed the force that will keep me from becoming too much of an asshole. :-) - Robert Scoble

Power corrupts only certain individuals. I haven't seen you exhibit those traits yet Robert :) - jcunwired

Robert: That's way you say unsubscribing is "lame", haha. - Christoph Studer

@Robert: Well, I've given you that power and everyone else I subscribe to. Should you fail to be a good filter, I'll drop you like a hot potato :) So who really has the power? That's why FF will win IMO because it creates a far better mechanism for authority and trust. But ONLY if you're selective with whom you subscribe. - AJ Kohn

Christoph: yes, I have a bias there. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Oh! I just noticed that if you press "enter" once in the search box, you get the advanced search page. A kind of little feature you'll never find on Twitter ;) - Jérôme Flipo

Robert: One of the biggest differences is that: Friendfeed doesnt have ads and bullshits.. Twitter its a treasure for ads. - Rafael

Jerome - just press the search button, you get te same thing - jcunwired

Rafael: friendfeed has decentralized moderation. That's a KILLER feature the rest of the world will discover in about 18 months. - Robert Scoble

@ Mckean Hype vs. Exposure: Hype I'd say is exaggerated publicity hoopla if you will. Empty. Whereas exposure is public focus but what matters more so here is that Twitter can't function to the same quality as Friendfeed now can - sofarsoShawn

Chris Charabaruk: Yeah, but did the beta get any major media attention? Nope. None what so ever. And that's sad. It seems like people are purposely ignoring everything "FriendFeed" and it isn't right. I think the world is big enough for two cool and active social networking sites (or more), yes? - Michael Forian

Rafael: friendfeed will prove to be more resistant than other social networks to spam and assholes because of decentralized moderation. It's one reason why I love it so much. - Robert Scoble

jcunwired, even Google doesn't have this function - Jérôme Flipo

people go where the identities/profiles/people/contacts are; right now, when it comes to non-permission blogging, thats Twitter. Its not about features. You can speculate as to why Twitter has the people, but thats just academic. They have the people and they win....features can come...it doesnt matter, does it? - Andy Fox

Don't give him power. You wouldn't like Robert when he's omnipotent :) - Keith Barrett

Michael: friendfeed is in Financial Times tomorrow. - Robert Scoble

decentralized moderation? Does that mean if someone offends me and I block them, their comments won't show up for me anywhere? - Phil Maxwell

Robert: what do you mean by decentralized moderation? - Frankie Warren

Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers - Bwana ☠

I really want feature of FF is : What's hot on FF right now? - netvista

Robert: How many FT readers want bacon with their tea? :D - Jérôme Flipo

Phil: exactly. Frankie, decentralized moderation means I can delete you in my items and you can delete me in yours. As long as we keep adding value to each other's lives we'll not delete. But, let's say you were a spammer. Bye bye! - Robert Scoble

Frankie - we (you) moderate, not an administrator. - jcunwired

Ok, I definitely do dig the pop out window for an indivdual post/conversation. - Ken Kennedy

Bwana: How does the ex-Googler's factor in? - sofarsoShawn

Robert: We have to create a strong community in friend feed and hoping that we could separate the bullshit and ads from the interesting topics, in a way we could keep the good of friendfeed. - Rafael

decentralized moderation = crowdblocking. It takes only a few comments for a spammer to get blocked by many and that then trips internal FF daemons. - AJ Kohn

netvista: that's called a filter. I have a filter that shows all items written by anybody but that have at least one "like." That's what's hot right now. - Robert Scoble

Robert: interesting - Phil Maxwell

netvista3987: make you're own filter http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - Jérôme Flipo

Rafael - we have, we do - the developers have. What we see Twitter becoming will never happen here because we have all the power. - jcunwired

netvista3987: you can even exclude your friends (add -friends:netvista3987), exclude items you've already liked and commented (use the minus operator again). - Jérôme Flipo

sofarsoshawn: friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google. HOw does that factor in? It's been down one hour in past year. Search is freaking fast. It has an ugly, but workable UI. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Being reminded so much of Gmail chat I'd like to see who's currently typing into the comments field. :-) - Christoph Studer

Well, regardless of my hesitancy, this is the first engaging convo on FF I've engaged. And though I had seen the beta briefly, I hadn't taken the time to really understand it. And this has inspired me to flesh out my FF profile. FF anti-fail all around. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Currently listening to Berlin "No More Words" on Shoutcast right now...interesting. - Christopher Knopick

jcunwired: May the force be with you! - Rafael

Flipo: thanks. it's great. I already add this filter. - netvista

Christoph Studer: like emoticons? - Jérôme Flipo

Vermonter: wait until this is used by a conference for a back channel. Leo Laporte was using it on Gillmor Gang and TWiT this weekend and got 1000 comments each. - Robert Scoble

Here in Brazil Twitter started to get lost by people who dont know what to do with a simple question. thanksfully friendfeed will not get popularity here in brazil - Rafael

Pressing enter twice on a search box... clicking a feed then clicking the tim to get a popout...directly referencing "/friends" in a URL I do sense a need for some documentation on how to engage the cool features. - Keith Barrett

Rafael: don't be so sure. - Robert Scoble

@Scoble I was referring to Bwana's earlier comment that it was more a hindrance then beneficial and was wondering how that could be so - sofarsoShawn

Jerome: I was kind of kidding...but one could do this with small avatars of people typing. Or just a list of names. - Christoph Studer

Am now watching FF real time in my sidebar. NoNo more alerts. - Francine Hardaway

Leo's use of it is what makes me think this is going to work. They're onto something here. - Jesse Stay

Keith: I'll do another video when I figure them all out. - Robert Scoble

Gillmor Gang comments were the greatest. The level of sophistication skyrockets when the community is one of your choosing (more or less). - jcunwired

http://www.ft.com/cms... - Daniel Robitaille

Keith - keep in mind most of these new features are in beta.. I can forgive no documentation in beta - Phil G

Francine: welcome to the future. - Robert Scoble

Keith: Yes, better documentation would be nice! Although it's kinda fun to figure these things out. - Michael McKean

Robert: It's only a question of friendfeed do not support other languages - Rafael

I think FF is just too sophisticated for main street, people don't get it - Alex

That's a compliment: we're sophisticated, wait till I post more lolcats - sofarsoShawn

I never said that. - Bwana ☠

Alex - when main street gets it, there goes sophistication :) - jcunwired

Oh I'm not complaining at all! I'm trying to help.. - Keith Barrett

Rafael: friendfeed does support lots of languages. But I need filters. I want to see ONLY Farsi comments, for instance. I can't do that. - Robert Scoble

Alex: At one time computers were too sophisticated for most people. - Michael McKean

@Alex I didn't get it really until tonight. Not sure I do yet, but I'm getting there. Maybe others will too. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Alex: I disagree. The mainstreet is on Facebook, which is far more complex than either this or Twitter. - Robert Scoble

jcunwired - good point! - Alex

Robert: I understand you - Rafael

Alex: if humans see utility in learning complexity, they will. - Robert Scoble

People didn't get AOL. They didn't get blogs. They didn't get eCommerce. - AJ Kohn

FF is a lot easier to jump into than FB, IMO. - Michael McKean

They still don't - Bwana ☠

:) - Bwana ☠

My wife speaks Farsi and I'd love to be able to have her see only Farsi items here. I can't filter by language. Yet. They have that on their feature lists to build out. - Robert Scoble

even my mother is om Facebook, I can't see her on FF really - Alex

I don't keep close tabs on my follower levels, but I've noticed my Twitter followers have gone up, and my Friendfeed followers have gone down too. - Ian May

more or less yes: "Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers" - Bwana - sofarsoShawn

I'm waiting for the service that will automatically translate anything typed into the viewers chosen language without the need to manually translate individual lines - Tony, Paradox of FF

Alex: four years ago you would have said the same thing about Facebook. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I was hoping for a language filter as well. - Michael McKean

Robert: but you can see... Facebook here in brazil its almost like Orkut for Americans... few people use it. But Orkut here is something like OMG you dont have an orkut account? you are a jerk! Got it? - Rafael

Robert: where'd she pick that up? Nuts! - sofarsoShawn

Tony we have done that in our chat for our online experiences using Googles Translate APi - Tony

Tony: Picasa has it on comments. Would be great to have the same system for FF. - Christoph Studer

FF = Community - Twitter = - bcultral

sofarsoshawn: the fact that friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google is a major reason why I use it. - Robert Scoble

@Robert: Filter for certain foreign characters would get you pretty far, no? - AJ Kohn

Shawn: you assume I believe they haven't taken off... and they have - Bwana ☠

you're the only one who thought that. - Bwana ☠

most of the people on facebook don't know how to use 1/4 of the features, but they understand they have a profile and people write messages to it and that's enough to get them started. - Phil Maxwell

@tonysteward cool :) - Tony, Paradox of FF

sofarsoshawn: I have NOT been disappointed in that. This service has ALWAYS been 1. Up. 2. Fast. Others? No. - Robert Scoble

it detects the browser language and then when they chat it auto translates - Tony

client side - Tony

No, Bwana: if you read your statement you are the one who distinctly wondered - sofarsoShawn

sofarsoshawn: my wife was born in Tehran. - Robert Scoble

sofarsoshawn: FF doesn't need users do develop the service (they have the money and the geniuses). So, in some way, they don't need the Google's buzz to make the killer app that Scoble and others would recommend because it rocks and not because of their authors. - Jérôme Flipo

Sigh, go repeat my name or something :) I know what I said - Bwana ☠

I am probably the only person in my 200+ list of friends that actually KNOWS how to set FB security features so that I can control what groups of friends (or the public) can see what items and apps. - Keith Barrett

I know what you said too read your earlier post dude, I'll go say your name :) - sofarsoShawn

I'll be right back. Heheh. Yes, friendfeed has turned into chat! - Robert Scoble

I guess most of us only get what we think others will get too. FF beta makes the possibility of others getting it seem clearer than it did to me before. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Keith: Thats normal! the majority uses facebook just to watch other people lifes - Rafael

The product lifecycle of gmail should be an indication of the long term approach I believe FF will take. - AJ Kohn

Oh my... he just did a brb! - Michael McKean

I wonder if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers. <-- Read again. if the founders weren't ex-googlers, would FriendFeed have taken off... maybe if I reverse, you'll understand. - Bwana ☠

Bwana: does it really matter? - Phil Maxwell

The amount of content that FriendFeed real-time commenting is going to generate is MASSIVE. Hope they have a good file system and DB setup! - Keith Barrett

I don't like being misquoted - Bwana ☠

Like I said - sofarsoShawn

I want it to be clear - Bwana ☠

Vermonter - did you just start with friendfeed? Aside from a few features, most notably realtime feed, its pretty much the same. - jcunwired

Keith: And lightweight connection handling. - Christoph Studer

Oh wait, no, I get it you used a double negative, making it a positive, so yes Bwana your're correct, but bad grammar - sofarsoShawn

Chris, an even better question - Bwana ☠

hehe Chris - jcunwired

++sofarsoshawn - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

@jcunwired just the learning curve of a thus far somewhat disinterested FF user, I guess. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Chris: lol - Jérôme Flipo

a double negative? LOL - Bwana ☠

my give up. - Bwana ☠

High five! me too - sofarsoShawn

we could discuss about that for days, but only the future will tell - Alex

Vermonter, search google for friendfeed filters. A few bloggers - bwana, Louis Gray, Scobleizer have some vvery good tips for controlling the noise so that you only see what you want to see. It helps a lot. - jcunwired

AJ Kohn: I love comparing Hotmail/Twitter with Hotmail/Gmail. It's a matter of time before the best overpass the most popular. - Jérôme Flipo

The conversation has strayed a bit, I think :) - Michael McKean

Alex: For sure. we just need to work for a better future for friendfeed...keepin it healthy - Rafael

My problem is that I don't know what I don't want to see :)) - jcunwired

Hehe, always a tough choice. Discerning is key. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

There's a room too for filters, as well a list here http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... as they are compiled - sofarsoShawn

There's a filters group. - Michael McKean

oops, make that a big B Bwana :) - jcunwired

I heard on Leo's show yesterday a good quote, about why having a too strong community (in FF) may be an obstacle for its success (I remember the word "insular") - Jérôme Flipo

Thanks for the conversation all. Enlightening. And my fellow Vermonter is free from pirates, too. I'll sleep well tonight. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Omg, now I can breathe a little, this conversation is slowing down - Rafael

yeah, be careful of those double negatives in the blog post - Bwana ☠

they'll getcha - Bwana ☠

It's amazing, I wonder how long a thread we could go. You just say a word, it creates ripples and we define an area around a topic. Like a tree or something. That's something that is appreciable and important in that experiment we enjoy here. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

465 comments... - Wallace

Jerome - I haven't heard this week's TWIT, but I say poppycock :) Its a social networking site, there are tons of communities. You choose what you want, and filter/dismiss the rest - jcunwired

well done boys and girls...I'm going to bed! Excellent conversation! Good night to everyone! Good night Robert! - Rafael

The 'strong community' is what makes it worth staying. There is no sense of community in twitter, just a bunch of people blindly following other people - jcunwired

Robert: why subscribe to someone who only pipes twitter into friendfeed? and another thought: maybe the average twitterer mindlessly follows and the average friendfeeder is more interested in the quality of their subscriptions - Chris Heath

This is epic: I have to take my leave as well. 'Night All! - sofarsoShawn

the best conversation I have ever had on FF, thanks Robert! see you guys - Alex

Hearing all your names and comments made it very different to me. I was making coffee, reaching and being able to make it through when it was around 100 comments one very demanding but so enriching real all-way discussion. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

jcunwired: sure, I love the community(ies). The problem is for FF newbies: they don't feel comfortable and prefer Twitter where discussions are less loud. - Jérôme Flipo

\0_ sofarsoshawn - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Jerome - exactly. That is the one detriment to FF and why the masses have not shown up - jcunwired

Hey Bwana, if you're still here, looking forward to your next appearance on TWiT. Always a great addition. - Andrew Leahey

@jcunwired not so in Burlington, VT #btv is a growing and connected group of Twitter users. Can't vouch for other local communities. - Neil Jensen (Vermonter)

Thanks andrew, always a fun event - Bwana ☠

10 followers from this convo... that's a record - Bwana ☠

Vermonter - isolated cases exist, but the people themselves needed to build their community, it didn't just happen - you followed people in #btv to create the community. In FF, the community exists and individuals follow - jcunwired

Whoever it was who pointed out how many comments. I don't look at these things as comments. They're just parts of a very large discussion. - Jason Mayoff

Bwana: Not what we're counting ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

jcunwired: I follow a lot of astronomy people on Twitter and we're all pretty well connected with each other. I imagine it's the same with other like-minded people. - Michael McKean

Michael - have you explored the rooms here on Friendfeed? - jcunwired

Jerome - Well, you can still just like lolcatz pictures and just follow the guy for that. I think there's more details here that makes it interesting. I use twitter when I don't have time to reach deep now and need a summary of past events (not a mobile user for that). Here I jump in, make investigations, keep the stuff I like for future reference, one thing I'm not too into with twitter. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Ken - Well Robert's got me zoomed in on it now... I never paid attention to where I get FF followers from - Bwana ☠

Michael - consider bringing some of your friends over here - jcunwired

But I can't remember the last time I had 10 in my inbox so fast - Bwana ☠

Bwana, I havent looked at followers in months, now I'm curious too - jcunwired

dammit :) - jcunwired

Blame scoble - Bwana ☠

Hey you know, where is the link to rooms in the beta ui? - Andrew Leahey

hehe - jcunwired

jcunwired:Yeah, and I see what you're saying. It's not as "tight" on Twitter. - Michael McKean

What we really need are those little presidential debate real-time opinion poll lines so we can see in real time whether people agree or disagree with what we're saying. - Ken Sheppardson

Bwana - I haven't gotten a new FF follower in a dog's age, but I mostly blamed my own light usage. - Phil G

Hehehe, when you reach the 'Ultimate Comment' connection, that's it, Bwana is the name. ;p - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Michael - the cool thing about a group of people with specific interests is that you can aggregate content from multiple sources so that your community can absorb them - google reader, social bookmarking, youtube, flickr, blogs... - jcunwired

Bwana: you wrrean interesting contributor to thisconvo and want hear what else you have to say. - Jason Mayoff

On Twitter it's more like a bunch of people who just happen to be following the same people. - Michael McKean

Phil - that's true. I guess subscriptions increase with participation - Bwana ☠

hi, is there some collections of interesting filter setting i can use? i think FF should allow people sharing their filters. - netvista

I think the thing with FriendFeed vs twitter is that on Twitter, the more people you follow, the more content you get. On FriendFeed, it's related to how active the people you follow are. You don't have to follow a lot of people with FoaF. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

Did anyone even bring up ffholic.com? I guess I should scroll up.. brb - Bwana ☠

intelligent participation - or FFundercats, whatever floats your boat :) - jcunwired

this might take a while - Bwana ☠

jcunwired: Right, and you can discuss them in a more controlled manner. - Michael McKean

I want a timestamp of the last activity on FF profiles. I was wondering where Scoble could be right now (instead of participating to this discussion). Just beside the "About 15 posts per day", there could be a "2 min since the last like/comment/FF post". That could also encourage users' activity. - Jérôme Flipo

Man. This is not easy to do on an iPod touch - Jason Mayoff

nobody brought it up yet, Bwana.. chrome search worked well in this window :) - Phil G

nope, no one brought up ffholic.com - which brings the follower/count game to FriendFeed - Bwana ☠

andrew: click on Subscriptions, down at the bottom. They are called Groups now. - Tony, Paradox of FF

Jérôme: agreed - Phil Maxwell

Firefox search says you're the only one - jcunwired

Jerome: timestamps for comments too would be nice too - Chris Heath

Ironic how Arrington is 3rd most popular user :) - Bwana ☠

Chris, you can see timestamp by hovering over the quote symbol in left margin - jcunwired

Chris: Hover over the bubble on the left. - Michael McKean

Thanks Tony! - Andrew Leahey

glad to help. - Tony, Paradox of FF

So twhirl for friendfeed, totally useless, right? - Andrew Leahey

the timestamps work except for the most recent comments of an active post...they all say 1 second, 0 seconds, etc - Phil Maxwell

Excellent FF tips that aren't readily apparent are surfacing in this thread. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

thanks for the responses on the timestamp comments ppl - Chris Heath

I haven't found a FriendFeed client that rivals the web browser experience yet. - Bwana ☠

I was messing around with AlertThingy all this time, I think thats why I didn't grasp the attraction. - Andrew Leahey

This is a totally unmanageable thread. Most of the information here is lost and unfathomable. If there every was an argument for some sort of comments management (threaded or otherwise) this is it. - Brian Sullivan

me either bwana, the iphone webapp is pretty good, i heard the beta iphone webapp kills the battery life though - Chris Heath

andrew - with friendfeed, even though the api is great the web interface evolves faster than most developers can keep up with.. several microblogging clients have already given up on the challenge. - Phil G

why don't my ff posts copy to twitter anymore? i didn't change any settings - BASEnet

Rob: what would you think of the ability to digg comment by clicking on their icon, so that you can sort the discussion by "most liked comment" and get all the best juice of this thread in just few seconds? - Jérôme Flipo

Bwana: I don't really see the need for a client. The web interface works very well. - Michael McKean

Phil: Good point, maybe when FF itself kind of stabilizes and settles somewhere, clients will start coming out that rival the experience? - Andrew Leahey

afterdark, you may need to disable and reenable, they're still there - jcunwired

Michael: Bwana was just replying to me asking if twhirl was worthwhile. - Andrew Leahey

afterDARK, you're the second person i've heard say that today submit a bug http://friendfeed.com/about... - Chris Heath

That's probably another reason why Twitter is so much more popular - smartphone clients - jcunwired

I think the real value for 3rd parties are going to be things that work with the API in ways that the web interface doesn't already do. Like FFholic, for example. - Phil G

What I'd like out of a "client" could probably be accomplished with some sort of wrapper that managed a frameset that included embedable views ala http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Ken Sheppardson

Following somebody on Twitter is very light, and usually fake. Following on FriendFeed is an investment. - Louis Gray

Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Louis Gray *plays piano* - Bwana ☠

jerome: likable comments would rock... then you could have the most liked comments in a thread... or within some constraint... even the most popular of the day - Chris Heath

Thanks, i will submit a bug report - BASEnet

Hi Louis! - Jérôme Flipo

+100 Louis, well put - jcunwired

@Scoble K, so Im lost how is this in Twitter's favor now? - sofarsoShawn

Louis, kind of like what i was saying way above, friendfeeders are probably a bit more discerning in who they follow as well - Chris Heath

ah, this is the first I've seen of FFholic - Phil Maxwell

hehe Shawn, that's what I want to know - I want to hear Robert's theory - jcunwired

If you can fill all your available inbound bandwidth by following 100 people, why would you follow 1000? - Ken Sheppardson

So perhaps the Twitter follower count will retain the vanity, and FF will be more about what /you/ get out of it. Rather than Twitter, which is about all the who's getting something from you. - Andrew Leahey

I think Scoble said it best, it's a game. - Bwana ☠

@kshep, yeah once i'm into a discussion on friendfeed i like to use that embed view ... much cleaner imho - Chris Heath

A game that ruins networks IMHO - Bwana ☠

Ken - you never know what you don't know :) - jcunwired

when you follow for sheer numbers I mean </clarification> - Bwana ☠

Yeah, if your network is "everyone" is it really a network? - Ken Sheppardson

totally agree @bwana (notice i'm sending to twitter as i type) - Chris Heath

1.) Be Robert Scoble 2.) Start a thread on Twitter versus FriendFeed 3.) ??? 4.) PROFIT!!! - Mike Nayyar

HAH! - Bwana ☠

Oh my! - Michael McKean

jcunwired: Well, following 100 people here means you see not just their stuff but the entries they engage on. That amplifies things at least 10x - Ken Sheppardson

also, i'm not following you on twitter either... why get just your tweets? i want it all!! - Chris Heath

hehe Mike, true. I do a happy dance if I get one comment for my posts :/ - jcunwired

I think its interesting to see the web getting pushed through these different filters. Like FF now, before it was digg for a little while. - Andrew Leahey

Its like we're taking all new content added to the web and its sort of a value added proposition. Each service tacks something on as it passes through. - Andrew Leahey

andrew, the web is still pushed thru digg, and digg is way bigger than friendfeed (currently) and bigger than twitter too - Chris Heath

Digg bigger than twitter? Really? - Andrew Leahey

digg has something like 30 million uniques per month... i'm not sure twitter has that... do they? - Chris Heath

http://alexa.com/siteinf... - Andrew Leahey

Chris: I recently heard 20 millions - Jérôme Flipo

Well, what about Twitter client usage? - Michael McKean

nobody knows how many users Twitter has - jcunwired

I think Twitter takes Digg. - Andrew Leahey

Front page digg counts have been declining, IMHO, I think the url shortening thing is going to take a big chunk out of them too. - Andrew Leahey

andrew: how many digg users have the alexa toolbar, really? - Chris Heath

isn't alexa only counting internet explorer users? - Chris Heath

probably a comparable ratio to alexa toolbar users that twitter from twitter.com - Andrew Leahey

i'm very skeptical of alexa numbers - other traffic counters too... - Chris Heath

don't get me wrong, im not anti-digg, or knocking it. i just think twitter has more exposure now. - Andrew Leahey

"unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list" - so you're ideal model is everyone is subscribed to everyone by default and then people are responsible for organizing lists? - Todd Hoff

definitely, its flawed. i just think its flawed pretty equally for those two particular sites. i dont know, no offense intended. - Andrew Leahey

todd: i think he's trying to say subscribe to lots of people since you can cordon them off into lists - Chris Heath

Todd Hoff: lol, unfortunately, Robert has left the thread. - Jérôme Flipo

He said "be right back". Did he get lost on the way to the bathroom? - Michael McKean

andrew: no offense taken, i have no ties to digg (emotional or otherwise) - i'm just not sure about the numbers - Chris Heath

Robert probably wanted to say that if you decided to sub someone, you had good reasons which justify to put them in list rather than unsub them once they become to loud. - Jérôme Flipo

[OT] I love the ability to edit a comment. That's great for non-native English speakers who want to keep up with the conversation without making dozens of typos per comment. - Jérôme Flipo

jerome, if it would update the comment in real-time after you edit it that would be wicked cool too! - Chris Heath

I want the comment to go italic for few seconds to let me know it was edited, that always helps. - Bwana ☠

Yeah, *some* indication of an edit in RT would be slick. - Ken Sheppardson

Chris: sh*t, it doesn't?! - Jérôme Flipo

Good idea. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

I've decided to follow everyone who has commented on this thread, why not. :) - Phil G

They could update the tooltip over the comment icon to display some info. - Jérôme Flipo

jerome, i'm not sure, but have been told that you have to refresh to see edits - Chris Heath

Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3... edit 4 - Ken Sheppardson

Phil, that could take some time! - jcunwired

i refreshed: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1 - Ken Sheppardson" - Chris Heath

Actually that would be a useful feature - follow everyone in a conversation that you find stimulating - jcunwired

anybody see "...edit 1, edit 2" showing up on my last comment when viewing the RT feed?" - Ken Sheppardson

refreshed again: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3 - Ken Sheppardson" - Chris Heath

but you don't see them in RT? - Ken Sheppardson

so i'd say pretty confidently that it's not updating in real-time : that seems pretty non-trivial to me - Chris Heath

yep. me too, i.e. non-trivial - Ken Sheppardson

well you can't always get everything you want... i just wish that they'd add some more stuff to the beta, i find myself going back to regular friendfeed to mess with subscriptions/rooms/settings and a couple other things too - Chris Heath

yeah, I'm not getting the rooms thing... or the creating a feed for a room, that is no longer really a room.... but whatever :p - Krikit Media

I'm *positive* they're going to be adding stuff in. There are things just just can't do right now without going back to pre-beta, and they're certainly not going to maintain both sites indefinitely. Tomorrow morning is the 1wk anniversary of beta. I wonder if that'll mean anything. - Ken Sheppardson

They have to be very careful not to release too much features right now (if their goal is to go mainstream). Imagine if you had joined Facebook right now, with all its apps and buttons? Twitter is so simple, they've to upgrade slowly. - Jérôme Flipo

[ot question to the chat]: i've been sending my FF comments to twitter... always have. but now in the beta i'm in conversations here much more (Gillmor Gang, TWiT shows etc) and i'm generating a lot of posts to twitter from my comments here. Is that probably a bad idea? would you turn them off? should i care? (since i'm still garnering twitter followers even quicker now that i'm posting to twitter more) - Chris Heath

Scoble;The UI decides how the app is used. Conversations are interesting in FF and not twttr. Twitter added reply_ to ids some time back. What they are missing is a ui which looks like this. Optimized for a conversation under one topic.I would wager we will definitely see it some day. I suspect they are in no panic to add it and they might be thinking it is easier to gain momentum with the simpler feature set. - Faizan

Ken: it'll mean it's been 7 days. I've confirmed that with a reliable source :) - Phil Maxwell

And I just saw my first FF comment spam posted. FF is going to need some sort of mechanism to prevent that. Also the original poster of the feed item probably should have power to delete anyone's comments. - Keith Barrett

They do - Bwana ☠

Keith, you block them (not sure how in beta, but just remove beta. from the url and you can block them) - Chris Heath

Interesting observation Robert. I've been observing the opposite with my FF vs Twitter accounts. The rate of new followers on Twitter has slowed for me (partially from spending more time here and elsewhere - partially from starting to just block numbers gamers that don't tweet) and the rate at which I'm finding new people following me here is (slowly) increasing. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Chris - personally I'm not nuts about the idea, but then I use Twitter and Friendfeed in two distinctly different ways. When I see a FF comment or like come over from FF to Twitter its often so out of context that its passed over - jcunwired

jcunwired - yeah, it took a while! phew. - Phil G

Earlier in the week I think on Gilmore Gang on TWiT, Paul from FF said they were going to make the beta the standard within a couple of weeks. - BASEnet

The system could be: if you're block by X% of people whose entries you've commented, you're kicked out! - Jérôme Flipo

There needs to be a comment link at the bottom or hotkey for these long threads. omg - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Click the timestamp. - Michael McKean

Jérôme: or just hide their comments by default like a lot of sites do - Phil Maxwell

Jerome - jerks need social interaction too. A better policy would be to have those people all force-follow each other :) - jcunwired

jcunwired: one thing i'm thinking about doing is to stop sending comments to twitter, but at the same time start sending likes to twitter (which i'm not doing now) that way i'll only send one link per discussion - you know i'm actually going to do that after typing it ... i've convinced myself - Chris Heath

Phil: that's what I said. I hide, you hide, others hide, then FF catches the spammer, close his account, and thus, prevent others to be spammed - Jérôme Flipo

I wish I could choose WHICH likes to send to Twitter. Or maybe I'm missing something? - Michael McKean

jcunwired: love your idea! - Jérôme Flipo

I think the real problem for someone like Robert is that the real time has increased the noise on people's home feeds, and they haven't really started to use lists and filters yet. ANd I have to agree with Robert about not unfollowing people -put them on a list, you never know when they might add more value later on. This is why you follow astronomical numbers in the first place. To find the gems - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Michael, I don't think you can differentiate. Its all or nothing. - jcunwired

Here's one for you, Robert...on subject of filters...if I wanted a filter containing JUST my flickr feeds, how would I set up the filter? - George Hall (Australia)

Jérôme : that's how tiwtter handles spammers ...seems to work pretty well - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Chris: I caught a lot of heat ffrom my twitter followers for the comments going to twitter during a discussion like this. I turn them on only when I really want a single comment to go there so they get the link with outme having to "like"something and give them the wrong idea - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

George Hall, i have a feeling that the feature you request will be forthcoming - Chris Heath

Oh, I see. I thought most systems report the spammers for action, before hiding its posts to others, i.e you have to bear the flow of spam before the team in charge decides to take action. - Jérôme Flipo

One ittty-bitty filter like that would make my beta experience complete...;-) - George Hall (Australia)

guruvan, interesting i haven't heard word one from my twitter followers... i rarely do - most of my @replies come from ppl i've found via im@twitterspy.org - Chris Heath

Michael: perhaps they could pop up a little check box below the Like asking if you would like to send it to Twitter? That would probably work. - Phil Maxwell

I wish there was a way to choose each time I like or comment to send it outbound or not, or set the answer to that question as a default maybe a check box next to the comment or like links - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

George Hall - http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - Mitch

guruvan: why that's an excellent idea. - Phil Maxwell

Chris: I did hear from several 2 of which accused me of "spamming" them with ff.im links - but it was always after a discussion that moved like this one is...where it was multiple comments pretty quickly....So I leave the Likes turned on by default, and the comments off. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

NOW my beta experience is complete...thank you Mitch. That can be adapted to the other services, I take it? - George Hall (Australia)

guruvan, that's what i was affraid of and i've done exactly as you have - Chris Heath

Yeah for sure. I think friendfeed is service:internal - Mitch

Phil: LOL! Great Mind think alike 'eh ? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Chris: That's why I'd like to be able to turn the outbound feed on and off right at the discussion. A lot of comments are really just that - comments...I'd like those posted to twitter to get more people involved in the goings on over here. But I don't think they need to see a link to every time I say something in a thread. (which could be yet another feature...not posting outbound more than once per thread per time period) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

guruvan, earlier today (and yesterday) i had the idea to turn it off while commenting on twit-conversations but decided not to (changed my mind now) - but the once per thread per time period is an interesting idea too - Chris Heath

Mitch: Got everything set as a filter except any specific rss feed. How does one do that? - George Hall (Australia)

Chirs: If it was easier I would turn it on and off all the time. I get a lot of traffic/RTs and follows on twitter form the FF likes and comments. It really only irritates with it's like 10 in a few minutes. Some twitter people feel "spammed" on the likes because they have to click 2 times to get to the story that I liked. I wouldn't mind seeing the "original link" check box next to the like link. -so that if there isn't (or isn't likely to be) discussion I want them to see, I can send them straight away. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

George: Check with Mark Traphagen (trappermark) re: RSS filter..he's been working on that and I don't recall where that stood. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

And to add to that point: With the way that many, if not most, twitter users are following massive quantities, and yet still using the website, or a client and no groups, how COULD they see Robert's tweets? But they MUST see Robert's tweets, or Louis gray couldn't have said this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/louisgr... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

curious as to why this friendfeed comparison to twitter discussion is (as the saying goes) beaten in like a dead horse -in so many variety of ways. is it really that fascinating in describing advantages of friend feed over twitter? (i'm agnostic in either service but curious as to the catalyst(s) in why this is a continuous thing.) there's mechanistic differences, but isn't the point of all this to make of it all what we will? make it our own? - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I think people readily follow on Twitter because the tolerance for spam on Twitter is higher. It is after all a 140 char message. But on Friendfeed with all the metadata and functionality you really want items that are meaningful to you. - Vishy

Holy long comment thread, batman! (aside: the existence of such comment threads is one of the advantages of FF) Okay, so I think FF will only succeed if it can encapsulate your entire Twitter existence within FF itself. In other words, on top of all the great things FF does, it needs to become a good Twitter client. This will take some serious pumping up of tools like imaginary friends... - Karen James

Takes a while to catch up on 300+ comments =P @Netvista: you asked about sharing filters. There's is a room/group where people are doing just that http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... When they share a filter, it's a link to a specific search result. When you're looking at the result, there's a link @ the top in the red bar to create a filter from it. @Mitch and George: to search only FF generated posts, service:friendfeed works. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

So did Scolble finaaaallly answer his comment? "So how does Twitter favor from this BIG difference?" Or was he just inciting more frenzy Scoble style? Looks to be not yet...he disappeared. - sofarsoShawn

Shawn, it's 6 am in Scoble's time zone. Even he has to sleep sometime =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Both of them have users forcing people to click through which is a pain. End. - Richard A.

Great Conversation, I missed the "live" version as it happened but was able to catch up quickly. Things I'm interested in, sidebar for FF live for browsers? Never mind found it here http://userstyles.org/styles... - Mark Essel

I tried to read this thread but it was at 600+ comments. Does FF have a tl;dr auto-summarizer yet? No offense folks, but I don't have an hour on Monday morning to catch up here. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Timestamps would be nice too. - Chris Poulson

Timestamps for what, Chris, the comments? Those are available: hover over the speech bubble to the left of a comment - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina beat me to it, but beyond the bubble, some sort of timestamps would be nice so you can just scan the list and tell who said what when. For example, I'd like to be able to see what folks said after I gave up keeping up with the discussion on this around 10pm or so last night. - Ken Sheppardson

Exactly Ken... Maybe something more along the lines of how Twitter does it. "Chris Poulson 34s ago" - Chris Poulson

I don't buy that FF generates less followers. The sample size is much smaller to pull from. For an apples to apples compares we need to look at percentages. I'll bet you, percentage wise, you have more followers on FF and Twitter. - James Furlo

Why do we have to focus so much on the tools? We couldn't expect this behavior to go mainstream. They are nothing other than means to enhance human interactions and relationships. Twitter is about notification and Friendnfeed is better at conversation; but let's ask what's the value of social media to us human being. I'd like to just be able to follow what I think are the best aspects of the people I like, so that I can be good at one thing and leverage on them when it comes what I think they are gd at. - Tim Lai

*bumps* the contradictions are just ubiquitous - sofarsoShawn

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