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Straight No Chaser - 12 Days (original from 1998) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I love messages like this one: "Thank you, and might i say i love all the librarians there, You are all so nice." Check.
Linda Wadman, Jennifer McDaniel, tinypants - Hagitha of FF and 4 other people liked this
Woah. They're now making Reese's Peanut Butter Cups with dark chocolate. I'm so happy I could cry
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Timelines - An event chronicled: the September 11th Attacks - http://blog.timelines.com/...
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I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords, and look forward to answering lots of quizzes here on FriendFeed, and finding out if my friends were Crayola crayons which color they would be. Or which artificial sweetener they'd be. Or which intestinal parasite they'd be. Or...
Chris Leonard, Kirsten McKnight, Jill Hurst-Wahl and 30 other people liked this
poke.
- Marie drinks champagne
throws a sheepfrog at steve
- Sir Shuping
superpoke!
- D0r0th34
I kept waiting for the next big thing to appear for librarians to flock to, but nothing appeared. Now it looks like we are being forcibly kicked out of the nest
- JSNFLMNG
*shares a beer with Steve*
- JSNFLMNG
*rocks the granny panties with Steve*
- josh neff, geek at large
BTW: Brick Red, Saccharin, and Cryptosporidium.
- s t e v e
@codslap@
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
STEVE, why haven't you been accepting my gifts? Don't you want this hoe for your garden? Stop ignoring me!!
- JSNFLMNG
Does this mean we just go back to Meebo?
- Abigail
Wait...you got cryptosporidium? I got microsporidia...I don't know if I can continue to be friends with someone with whom I'm OBVIOUSLY so incompatible with.
- Sarah G.
Let's go back to IRC. That'll show 'em.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
IRC rocks! It has been so long though, I wonder if I remember the protocols ;)
- JSNFLMNG
*Joshua Neff has unfriended Steve Lawson*
- josh neff, geek at large
Agreed. IRC rocks!
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
BBS would be a good option as well.
- JSNFLMNG
You have 34 notifications, 16 friend requests, 6 birthday reminders, and 3 event invitations. Would you like to shoot yourself now or wait until later?
- MLx
Usenet.
- Catherine Pellegrino
@MLx: "Ignore" is our friend.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
people stopped using IRC?
- DJF
/me kindly threatens to sue You for ignoring gift requests
- Nikki D.
I still use IRC but it's too synchronous for me - not friendly to those of us in wacky timezones. Usenet, otoh, would work well...
- Deborah Fitchett
welcome to Facefeed :-P
- Connie Crosby
like there aren't any memes on FF? come on...though Facebook Memes do seem more intrusive.
- Sidney
Sidney: So far, FF hasn't required that I allow it to do whatever it wants with my email list, subscribers, intellectual property, and whatever if I want to comment on a meme. So far, that is...
- Walt Crawford
One more place for the mafia to chase ninjas.
- Jenny Reiswig
I would reply, but I'm busy answering an important Facebook pollvertisement on BBQs vs. pizza
- Richard Akerman
It was definitely leaning towards Facefeed with the changes to put everyone's avatar front and center. One wonders is Facefeed will actively thwart "fixes" making heavy use of the greasemonkey and stylish addons.
- Mr. Gunn
*throws John Elway at Steve*
- Stephanie_Happy2010!
I just sent you a pathogen on Facebook. Enjoy!
- marthalib
<chuckle> pathogen ...
- Tom Horn
First person to send me a piece of flair, <ghetto>I will cut you</ghetto>.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from BuddyFeed
Mr. Gunn: yipes! hadn't thought about FB screwing up our use of greasemonkey and stylish addons.
- Polly Potter
Great. You reminded me of the reasons I dislike FB. I hope they spare us.
- Marco Ramirez
from iPhone
Joe, if you create it I'll come. :-) Or we could infiltrate alt.fan.head-librarian (no new posts since March).
- Deborah Fitchett
Fwd: 40% of Tweets are worthless, PearAnalytics says in exclusive audio interview (details behind top Twitter trending topic right now). - http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com/roberts... (via http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...)
Wes Wilson, Daniel Rowley, Wayne Hornsey and 10 other people liked this
of course except yours robert and I mean that sincerely !
- johnpiercy
I think that statistic sounds about right, I would argue that 90% of all trending topics are worthless.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Why am i not surprised? plus when you have _so many_ people on something like twitter there's bound to be a LOT of junk floating around. Not everybody will always have something interesting to say that interests all of their followers. So there you go ... I agree with Nicholas and i've stopped looking at trending topics ages back there's absolutely nothing worthwhile in them.
- Bhowmik Shah
That few?
- Mindy Currier
Also you have to take into account that quite a few people will be talking to people they know and their conversations won't make sense to somebody else ... a lot of tweets are exactly that.
- Bhowmik Shah
Not to them.
- mrpotter
Those spammy "how to get more followers" tweets are worthless, but I get some entertainment value out of reading my friends babble. So not entirely worthless...to me.
- Cassidy
I just ignore those how to get followers
- polou/indigo_bow
I'm surprised the numbers is so low. (And that includes some of my own tweets.)
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
who is surprised. how many emails are "worthless"? how many web pages are "worthless"?
- Chris Brakebill
neat audio embed, how's that done?
- Sean Sloan
what! 60% of them are worth "something"! that's huge! i bet that "worthless" number is far far far worse for the general web!
- simran
aren't like 80% of words [in a sentence] in the english language redundant and hence worthless... and tweets usually cut down the useless redundant english words (only 140 chars to get your msg across :) so by ratio, they are worth a lot more! :)
- simran
of course we all assume our personal tweets were judged to be worthy and special... ;) So LOLcats? Worthy or worthless? inquiring minds....?
- WarLord
Sean: I use Cinch from BlogTalkRadio. I call a number. It answers. Records the call. Turns it into an MP3 file. Sends it over to FriendFeed. And here we are. Sign up at http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com/
- Robert Scoble
Some of us tried to get #stpuid (note spelling) to trend. We didn't succeed, but at least we had fun doing it. I suspect it was meant (or at least taken to mean) as something of a parody of this (i.e. 40% of tweets being pointless). And I came up with the hashtag #pointlesstweet, which should be useful. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
WarLord: LOLcats or Trollcats or whatever, if I understand this right, that kind of tweet isn't statistically considered pointless as long as it contains a link.
- Dennis Jernberg
It sure seems like more than 40% are worthless lol
- Logan Lindquist
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
Christine Chan, david beckwith, Adnan and 437 other people liked this
It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Haha. ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
is friendfeed going anywhere or will it just get better?
- Craig Shipp
I'm with you Leo.
- Oracio
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people.
- Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last.
- Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place!
- Robert Scoble
Long live Leo
- Randy Pollock
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken?
- Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams)
- abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner!
- Elizabeth K. Barone
I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction.
- jcunwired
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service.
- Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making.
- Bill Rodman
The wave of the future is wave
- Randy Pollock
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means!
- Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments
- Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me.
- Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in.
- Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet.
- Leo Laporte
Yet being the operative word.....
- Roberto Bonini
sounds like a country song to me
- gavin
As for this geeky alternative, http://a.tinythread.com/ just showed up in my feed this morning. Thoughts?
- Craig B.
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible.
- Louis Gray
^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out.
- jcunwired
Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come.
- jcunwired
The only way to have control is to use your own URL
- Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =)
- Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out.
- Jordan Brock
from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me.
- Craig B.
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them
- Thomas Power
Plurk's not worth leaving anyone for.
- Rachel R.
Leo, I think you need to change your FaceFeed status to "It's Complicated" ;)
- Daynah
Play this thread off, keyboard cat.
- Fleagle
You have to go back to your blog. It still loves you Leo.
- Dave Winer
Screw you, Friendfeed!
- Andrew Leahey
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :)
- Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.)
- oliver gassner
Love Stinks.
- shelter watch
I'm quite surprised that you could keep track of all that!
- Robert Alex
Leo Laporte listed his relationship as: "its complicated."
- Randy Shapiro
Damn thats complicated
- drmacintosh
Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them...
- Steven McGurn
so where do we go now?
- Brian Appleby
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later!
- Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one
- Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again!
- Arleen Boyd
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening.
- Anthony Marco
You all just have ants in your pants :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P
- Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior.
- Paul Chaney
lmfao, its so true leo, so true!
- Derek Bender
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"...
- Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL
- Sandra Large
I think it's back to the TWiT Army!
- Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A.
- Steve de Mena
it's getting ridiculous, FEDERATED is the word!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
who is actually leaving FF? have many people vowed to do so yet? I'd like to but there isn't any alternative.
- Denise Young
the joys and sorrows of everyday social IT folks... :-)
- Thomas Lee
People are talking a lot about Streamy today. Might be an alternative.
- Caio Cesar
Streamy seems to be crashing left & right tho.
- Rick Cogley
Not to mention Pownce was shutdown as soon as it got good!
- Kenneth Reitz
No mention of Microsoft Vine?
- Robert MacEwan
yep. welcome to another episode of; As the Stomach Turns. one big soap opera.
- Scratch5150
I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way...
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better??
- Craig Shipp
Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side.
- John Flinchbaugh
from IM
Social Networks are sluts?
- TheDiva Rockin
It sure is.
- Jason Hill
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go.
- DogPatch
Here's some thoughts on what's going to happen:http://kennethreitz.com/blog...
- Kenneth Reitz
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;)
- Shawn Zehnder Lea
More like "As the worm churns"
- Houseofmax
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :]
- HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time...
- Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit...
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- Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man".
- Molly, New Ears :P
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Jan You're an asshat.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
leo, check out Streamy.com. I'm actually commenting to friendfeed from there right now...you may like it better.
- Casey Petersen
looooool =))
- ★amin.m★
Haiku Laporte
- Outsanity
that was cute! :O)
- Jeanne
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you!
- Jan Simmonds
Maybe they're just not that into you.
- Elizabeth Johnson
Wait... who's on first?
- Michael Rosenau
Logged in to suggest that many of us have tridden a similar path, but a lot of people have beaten me to it! I miss Pownce
- SpionKopRed
wow, Leo. You've got relationship issues!
- Justin Bradshaw
there there, Shawny's here...
- sofarsoShawn
I sense a pattern here.. maybe you always seem to go after web2.0 services that are bent on ditching you :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Is there any connection between Twitter being down & Facebook being super buggy this morning? What do you think? Discuss:
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OMG, I can't even stay connected to Facebook at all. Been trying to chat with a friend (using Adium) and connect...disconnect...connect...etc.
- Kenley Neufeld
I just reset my router twice thinking it was me.
- Kenley Neufeld
A feedback loop that keeps knocking both services down?
- Paul Jacobson
I either blame Scoble of #blameDrewsCancer
- Helen Sventitsky
Helen :)
- Susan Beebe
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Mashable article: Twitter Down: Twitter Doesn’t Know Why ---> http://mashable.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
Just checked with my FB peeps, and the weather over here is much better. Was very hard to get posting done over there.
- Brenda Young
This is the longest outage twitter's had in a LONG time... something is definitely wrong... ouch
- Susan Beebe
Yes, FB is receiving more traffic and twitter says its a DOS attack http://status.twitter.com/post...
- cheapsuits
interesting possibility: a massive DoS attack on all SNS properties at the same time! with no SNS people might go at each other tooth and nail. this would make a great Onion report!
- MikeAmundsen
I'm with Helen on this one - after Scoble's Great Unfollow, Twitter's database is so full of holes they're having to do a massive reorg...
- Andrew Terry
Twitter Status: "Update: we are defending against a denial-of-service attack." http://status.twitter.com/post... -- 11:00 am EST
- Susan Beebe
(can something be *full* of holes or is that oxymoron?)
- Andrew Terry
Andrew -LOL
- Susan Beebe
Posterous seems to be down, too, for what it's worth.
- Eric Johnson
Posterous is working for me (for now)
- Susan Beebe
You can read "panic tweets" from Twitterers about Twitter being down: http://bit.ly/lA7HK
- Gus
@ Andrew - there's a model in Chaos Theory where you take a cube, hollow a hole in the exact centre of each side, then keep repeating the process - end result? A finite cube containing an infinite number of holes :)
- Iain Baker
Susan - Posterous is back for me, too. And was a 500 server error, so probably not DoS related.
- Eric Johnson
Wonder if it's Iran? http://friendfeed.com/dariusm...
- Matthew DeVries
So I guess we ought to help the folks at Twitter out and shut down our Twitter clients? I expect that zillions of API calls aren't helping their situation right now...
- Eric Johnson
Facebook, LiveJournal, and Twitter all down, to much of a coincidence to be a coincidence? API calls all the way
- courtney benson
Wondering now if that suggestions a massive DDoS attack launched against a bunch of sites, or possibly also infrastructure issues as well?
- Susan Beebe
Oh no. Not Disqus as well. Where, in the name of God, is this going to end ?
- Andy C
@Iain - Really? That's so cool!
- Andrew Terry
Some post mentioned a major core router being down in GA, not sure how reliable that is.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
TWITTER suffering a dDOS attack official at 11am EDT
- OLDBEACHBUM
Jack - Thank you, something big is brewing here...not looking good
- Susan Beebe
Ooooh - let's blame North Korea! (or are we not allowed to since they let the reporters go yesterday?)
- amygeek
I'm assuming this will take CNN a few days to report.
- Derek Huether, PMP, CSM
Derek - hahaha good one!
- Susan Beebe
my FF has crashed every time I've tried to subscibe
- WarLord
It does feel like everything's either under treacle or attack. I'm hoping it's treacle.
- Dan Biddle
@biz ---> Thursday, August 06, 2009 Denial of Service Attack On this otherwise happy Thursday morning, Twitter is the target of a denial of service attack. Attacks such as this are malicious efforts orchestrated to disrupt and make unavailable services such as online banks, credit card payment gateways, and in this case, Twitter for intended customers or users. We are defending against...
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- Susan Beebe
Thought that was just my slow Australian connection - or the huge full moon in the sky tonight o)
- Chris Loft
Of course there is, the two sites are highly interconnected and trouble with one will cause problems with any service which continues to access twitter to update their users profiles
- Lillian Banchik
Looks like Twitter is back - at least for now. I was able to get in.
- Alex Hellstrom
Ohhh... I don't recall Twitter being down for such a long period of time, although I must say I've seen a sudden rise of spam lately.
- Bruno Mertins
God, just figured out that we would all have to go back to talking to one another in person or on the phone if this continues.
- courtney benson
cnet article, "There has been no indication that any of these various attacks are connected. But it's probably not a coincidence that they all coincide with the annual Defcon hacker convention." (Twitter crippled by denial-of-service attack) -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Susan Beebe
Baffled I've been trying to post this to you at Twitter -- I knew a hooter / thought - did she have a suitor / or was I too late? /// #haiku #haikuchallenge
- Chris Loft
I wonder how much impact (think overhead) those stupid Spam Bots cause for twitter? 24% of all twitter traffic is due to spam bots - augh!
- Susan Beebe
Courtney - LOL ... that is too funny!
- Susan Beebe
They're probably both the government. Real talk.
- professor daddyo
military is testing inet/SNS preparedness/vulns.
- MikeAmundsen
They're being hit by a DOS attack, http://status.twitter.com/post...
- Rob Fahrni
CNN finally picked up the story. Slooooooow
- Derek Huether, PMP, CSM
About 8-12 hrs ago, Facebook kept giving me "Database Write Failed" errors: "An error occurred while writing to our database. Please try again later or contact customer support."
- Mitchell Tsai
Yep, I've been getting all kinds of Facebook "transport errors" while attempting to wall post, comment, etc.
- Susan Beebe
Derek - that was slow, but CNN is getting better! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Twitter Status Blog - 2nd Update: "Ongoing denial-of-service attack -- We are defending against a denial-of-service attack, and will update status again shortly. Update: the site is back up, but we are continuing to defend against and recover from this attack."
- Susan Beebe
my Blog post --> http://www.susanbeebe.com/social-...
- Susan Beebe
Coordinated attack by FriendFeed? ;)
- Jemm
No way! Remember Paul Buchheit, one of FriendFeed's founders, coined the term "Do No Evil" when he was at Google. The FF team is really cool, no bad dudes over there!
- Susan Beebe
YAY twitter is back up!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
@Susan: I know, just kidding by stating a thing which is way too absurd to be true;)
- Jemm
LOL
- Susan Beebe
FWIW, I always thought Google's catchphrase "do no evil" would have been better when qualifying a statement, like this: "Let the old lady finish crossing the street; don't be evil"
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
See GigaOm's VISUAL on the Twitter outage (web traffic data provided by AlertSite.com) -- http://gigaom.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
Twitter Status Blog UPDATE [12:46pm EST] : "Update (9:46a): As we recover, users will experience some longer load times and slowness. This includes timeouts to API clients. We’re working to get back to 100% as quickly as we can."
- Susan Beebe
Update: Now FACEBOOK admits they too were subjected to DDoS attack today too!! --> RT @AdamOstrow: Facebook Problems Also the Result of DDoS Attack - http://mashable.com/2009... (via http://ff.im/6fTyC)
- Susan Beebe
Here's a Facebook "Database Write Error" I saw repeatedly last night ~1-3 am ET, before the DDoS attacks this morning. http://ff.im/6fUfO I'm not sure if there weren't precursors to the main DDoS attacks at 6 am today, but Facebook was having weird issues a few hours earlier.
- Mitchell Tsai
Facebook kept giving me the ol' "transport error" messages - tons of 'em too!
- Susan Beebe
Funny. I could not log into Twitter, Tweetdeck or Facebook for over an hour. Then I had this sudden horror that an aweful event, such as a terrorist attack, would flood both sites with traffic and cause this. I went to CNN- there was the story of Twitters DDoS Attack.
- E-Advocate Network
Pretty scary stuff, huh? I wonder who would be behind all this. Hope they catch 'em and lock 'em up!
- Susan Beebe
Susan, I also got lots of AJAX transport errors & long delays at Facebook, but those happena ll the time. This was the first time I've seen the "database write error".
- Mitchell Tsai
I blame North Korea
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
To deal with future network problems, we need an emergency backup mechanism to access twitter: carrier pigeons. http://crankypm.com/2009...
- DGentry
Hope they catch them too Susan. I sure was releived to find it was a cyber attack causing the flood instead of people reporting on a real life attack though! I do worry about real time events right now that are lagging coverage due to this: #iranelection.
- E-Advocate Network
Yay!! Google, facebook and twitter are investigating the DDoS attacks today! See Mashable's post about it here: http://mashable.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
Facebook IS being super buggy. So it's not just me.
- Ethan
Seriously, even Friendfeend, via Buddyfeed client, was unavailable a few times. I'll venture a guess the DoS attack targetted a whole heap of social media at the one time.
- George Hall (Australia)
That bird pic at the top of the thread is intriguing. Is it public domain?
- George Hall (Australia)
Hardly use Facebook. When I update facebook it's when I do a mass update through Ping.fm, other than that I hardly use it.
- Patrick
Where did you get the dead bluebird icon? I love it.
- shelisrael1
I think this is a definite competitor for the Fail Whale!
- Justin Davey
Are they both routed through the same Bay Area server network? Just askin'. Maybe there's a rapid growth of Twitter-to-FB feeds that's screwing up everything? I also like the dead bluebird & upside down FB graphics!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I had much trouble w/ FB this morning as well. It got better after the rain stopped. A day w/o SM is a day without sunshine.
- shelisrael1
AP reports that a pro-Abkhazia activist blogger, who uses the account name "Cyxymu," (the name of a town in the Republic of Georgia) is related to the attacks on SNS. Whether the pro-side (Georgia) or con-side (Russia) coordinated the attacks is unknown. "There's very little way of distinguishing which side was taking this action, because either side could hypothetically benefit from...
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- Mitchell Tsai
lots Blogger as well and Livejournal. It was a concentrated attack.
- Rob Cairns
Mitchell - wow, thank you for the awesome insights into the DDoS attack story. I truly appreciate the info and citations you kindly provided here. Good stuff, as always!!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Cathryn - I flipped the facebook logo upside down - glad you like it!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for the photo credit details, Susan.
- George Hall (Australia)
I think the dead twitter bird is cute!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
yes, I belive there is close connection.
- eva
Iran
- heretic_twit
wondering what the final verdict will be on the DDoS attack and how we can prevent them in the future .... hmmm
- Susan Beebe
Down but not own.................
- Kevin J Hatton
seems like whatever Google did mitigated the attack on their end, it'd be interesting to see what data google could provide to twitter and facebook on how to protect from ddos attacks in the future
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
from IM
Mike - agreed!! Google's insights would be really important for future hardening of systems to defend DDoS attacks
- Susan Beebe
Fri 8/7 UPDATE: @Twitter: "Due to defense measures some Twitter clients are unable to communicate with our API, and many users are unable to tweet via SMS."
- Susan Beebe
Fri 8/7 UPDATE: Twitter STATUS Blog: "Restoring API and SMS [12:42pm EST] Due to defensive measures we’ve taken against the ongoing denial-of-service attack, some Twitter clients are unable to communicate with our API, and many users are unable to tweet via SMS. We are working as quickly as possible to restore our full service. "
- Susan Beebe
Why do you use Facebook ? I mean it's a site for < 17 years old
- Thierry Lhôte
Thierry - What are you talking about? Facebook is biggest with Geriatrics and College kids. Are you just kidding around or something?
- Matthew DeVries
I had no idea about "FaceFeed" when I started cleaning up my Twitter account two weeks ago but I sure am glad I did. Now favoriting tweets.
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Robert, couldn't you take a second and check your identi.ca account. You should know it is possible to push mesages from every Laconica installation to Twitter & FriendFeed (etc.). Distributed microblogging needs a pushy evangelist. Jumping from one proprietary & closed solution to the next is not the best advice.
- Markus Merz
Robert, you lead me to FriendFeed. Where to next. Back to twitter?
- Bill Rodman
I don't quite understand favoriting. How do aggregate the favorites of those you follow?
- Bill Rodman
I am favoriting tweets at http://Twitter.com/scoblei... they get brought here via RSS.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, how do the lowly twitters get to see favorite twits of everyone they follow? Easy to see RTs
- Bill Rodman
I admit! 'm worry about th future of FF :( but man lets wait ans see
- FFTornado
Thanks for the tip Robert, I just set my twitter favourites as an RSS feed on FF
- Edd McArdle
Wait and see is what we will do. Twitter favorites are not as visible as I would like but I can get to everyone's by visiting their home page.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
"There is nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so" - Shakespeare
- Shari Weiss
Twitter needs to put favorites to some use. It should function and reward it's use as "likes" do here on FriendFeed. I have been doing the same thing you are with Twitter favorites Robert. It should be a feature of Twitter instead of a FriendFeed workaround. Real-time, threaded comments of some form (to better track conversations) and a like system are what Twitter needs.
- Rolf Schewe
I have been pushing use of favoriting tweets more actively for months! Way more valuable and insightful than retweets, and properly supported by Twitter just not so visible... yet! http://akatwittergator.wordpress.com/2009... - A Post From March 22nd!
- Ade Lack
FaceFeed... what a lovely word ;)
- A.T.
Markus: Twitter for me is more about listening than talking. Can I listen to all my friends on Identica?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I wonder if a twitter client (or the api) can display all favorites of ones followers? 'til twitter does it
- Bill Rodman
Moral of the story: people can try to be like you, but they can never be *you*...and fret not, important people can tell the difference
Linda Wadman liked this
@sheasmith my friendfeed audience is totally different from my facebook audience. It will be interesting to see if they merge or leave alone
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spending my day off evaluating different ILS,I think I have a problem
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yes, you need to start or join a support group.
- Linda Wadman
problem because your evaluating ILS's? or because ILS are a problem? :)
- Sir Shuping
mostly because its my day off and I should be doing something much cooler
- Bobbi Newman
ahhhh....i've done stuff like that before on my days off, if its something that interests me
- Sir Shuping
Wait, that's not cool? Maybe I have a problem.
- Kårín Dalzĭel
53% of my 96,000 followers don't follow directions. They are useless. The others will discuss this on FriendFeed here:
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you mean like so? :)
- Iwan
huh?
- Rasmus Lauridsen
:-) seriously, everyone wants followers but what good are they if they won't do anything you tell them to do? Useless!
- Robert Scoble
hahah that is soo funny
- Susan Beebe
yet sooo true. wondering just how long until people figure it out
- Susan Beebe
huh?
- Gabriel
is this a timed challenge?
- Iwan
Hmmm...
- Adam
Literally LOLing at this, Robert.
- ha3rvey (business time)
Yes master...
- Chris Forbes
i'm not sure what you mean ;)
- Suzannah Archibald
You're not the boss of me! :)
- jcunwired
I want to know how many of them consider themselves social media experts?
- Colin Anawaty
bit of a pompous mood today? when have you ever expected anyone to follow directions on the net?
- Doubledown_inSL
I was lost when Robert was at the 140 conference - he wasn't active here so I didn't know what to read...haha
- Mike Bracco
*looks around for FF koolaid*
- Susan Beebe
Fine, so I am useless.
- Julie Anderson
Getting people to follow directions on the internet is akin to herding cats. Best of luck. :)
- Keith Bourgoin
Any reccomendations for friend feed convos on the iPhone?
- Stuart Tracte
lol
- Miguel Rodriguez
FF sux nardz
- Doubledown_inSL
How could I defy the techno-hulk?
- Amanda Magee
You are fired up today...you might want to switch to decaf. GOOD GODS, WHAT AM I SAYING.
- M.L. Stone
ahah, like most of the followers on twitter =)
- Pierre TAMISIER
but 47% of people go on FF? that is quite good
- Billy Fung
So, 47% or your followers are expected to discuss here? The comment counter is going to explode.
- Brome
http://friendfeed.com/iphone works well. At least, it works well on my Android
- Keith Bourgoin
3% of Scobes followers are still trapped on Myspace
- Doubledown_inSL
twitter wasn't an interactive medium was it? :P
- jaspio
What?
- fanch_guy
Kevin: only about 42,000 of my 96,000 followers are here. Useless! I think they are all spammers or bots.
- Robert Scoble
I'm amazed how fast this thread is growing.
- Nick Prince
You mean 95,999 followers.
- Robert Peterson
Very clever.
- Nicole
that mass growing of the thread would be the 47% who can follow instructions ;o)
- Carl Grint
I keep having to block spammy, icky followers on twitter, mostly porn and get-rich schemers..augh!
- Susan Beebe
I refuse to respond to such a claim!
- Al Fuller
seriously, how much is FriendFeed paying you?
- Greg Hollingsworth
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11
- don manu
What am I not supposed to do? Where is the line?
- Brian Goss
Spammers and bots eh? Great minds think alike?
- ralphsaunders
What prize are you going to give your 100,000 follower?
- Mike Bracco
*reading and where is my popcorn? ;) ;)*
- Ronald
Greg: I got a free t-shirt.
- Robert Scoble
LOL
- Schneider Mike
Flame bater
- Ron Hudson
following on twitter AND NOT subscribing on FF = useless?
- Alexei Zheglov
promised to cure cancer at 100k
- Doubledown_inSL
I won't comment this thread ;)
- DAL
Does it count if I follow you on FF, but not twitter?
- Keith Bourgoin
Spammers are everywhere though including here.
- Brian Sullivan
@Doubledown_inSL Now that's funny.
- Mike Dowden
Power is a double-edged sword, Robert...lol... can be tough to galvanize one's
- Carol Lynn Martens
wow... think we could crash friendfeed with this thread?
- Chip McComb
ROBERT! I sent you like 500 @ replies on twitter, wth aren't you replying? j/k
- Justin Hopkins
I don't get it
- Amelia Rangel
Do you want followers or slack-jawed lackys?
- Mark Petzold
how many comments per minute will appear in average :D
- Flavio
LOL @ Justin
- Doubledown_inSL
No one has to do anything anyone says/
- Paul Kinlan
Huh, what? Should I comment here?
- Kandeezie
let's see how 'stableizer' FF really runs *bumping up this thread *g* *
- Ronald
No. I refuse to. But that doesn't make me useless. :-P
- Ladybug Heather
show me a bridge - I'll jump after you!
- BEX
new game: instead of "simon says" it is now "scoble says"
- Chris Rogers
FF is great, it just requires a higher level of interaction that many people don't have time for or interest in.
- Stuart Tracte
That's truth but I am one of the direcitons follower
- Gent Thaqi
Just following instructions.
- Larry Roth
Glad I caught this in my Twitter feed - I'd hate to be a bad directions-follower.
- Shawn Farner
whatever you say
- George Deane
^^ yeppers, i robot :D
- Ronald
If you're happy and you follow (Scoble), clap your hands!
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
I may of missed something, my bad..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Must do what Scoble says... Slow down comment box... forgot what this tread was about.
- Drew S
Doh! Sorry, I clicked that link by accident - I'm in the 53%. As you were...
- Andrew Jordan
/claps hands
- George Deane
I agree that FF is better for tracking conversations, and hopefully @Twitter will get that. I still spend more time on Twitter
- Matthew Scott Horbund
do what?
- Mick
I follow directions but am often useless. Where do I fit?
- Aaron Ball
53% your numbers are inaccurate.
- Carlos Ayala
This should be interesting...
- Robert Lee
YES O LORD AND MASTER, WHAT IS THY BIDDING :)
- ftg888
wow, I'm not the only one who has no clue what's going on..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Grr... shouldn't have commented... Now I'll be getting IM updates forever!!!!
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
I think this is just a psychology experiment...
- Chip McComb
lol
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Commenting so as not to appear useless
- Herb Hernandez
hahaha
- Ronald
Carlos: lol
- Larry Roth
what is actually ment by "directions"?
- Clemsen
yes how is the number 53% found.
- Daniel Graversen
as usual im in the minority (43%), Im never in the majority :(
- George Deane
I hope you're wrong, Chip. Otherwise, you didn't see me here.
- Shawn Farner
reporting for duty...
- Todd Goldstein
baaaaah
- mikepk
Scoble does have a lot of followers...
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
I thought men were basically incapable of asking for directions, so why would they follow them? ;-)
- Julie Bovee Hill
Robert, you are looking angry today. Take it easy, man!
- Walter Lounsbery
d'oh! I meant 47%
- George Deane
I am in building 44. Can you give me directions to 43?
- David Connell
??? is this a test of the national broadcasting system?
- Robert Wilkins
damn it scoble! get a real job! =)
- Jonathan Crossland
Wow--never thought I'd wish for a "Don't Like" button or link, Robert!
- Kathy Fitch
Robert's comments are very important particularly for political & development work.
- Justin Long
Also important for business marketing.
- Justin Long
U made me upset in first look then I realized what u mean and I found Im not not one of those. Hope you are not angry sir and wont fire me..
- Abhijeet Singh
I need a job like Scoble's... but in Miami.
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
to comment or not to comment.... that is the question...
- Kim
Are trending topics on friendfeed called "friending topics"?
- Larry Roth
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) What was the question again?
- don manu
hehehe... nice trick
- Gustavo Munoz
from twhirl
Robert, I'm up to the CHALLENGE of not being "useless." Actually, my business communication students at SFSU just heard my initial remarks which included THREE RULES FOR SUCCESS in BUSINESS [and everything else!] The rules: LISTEN CAREFULLY, READ CAREFULLY and FOLLOW ALL DIRECTIONS!
- Shari Weiss
i think this thread goes 'epic' on FF ;)
- Ronald
Apathy is the big killer of networks.
- Justin Long
I'm here. That makes me not useless, I guess?
- Celia
Robert Wilkins: it is my test to see how many spammers, bots, or jerks are following me.
- Robert Scoble
I get alot of spam about sites who gives you followers, whats the point of the followers have no interresting to give to you? And whats most crap is that they have enabled auto-follow back.. grrr :P don't sign up on those sites people.!
- Qbat
I like the constantly refreshed list but it doesn't half distract me from my own comment!
- Joshua Davidson
hahahahaha, ok.. now I get it
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
I Welcome our FF Overlords!
- Al Fuller
Does this mean that you expect there to be 45,120 comments here?
- Andrew Pass
I like Viagra.
- Paul Puri
:-P
- Lorenzo Strambi
a spammer...
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
this is the only ff link of yours i followed.
- moogs
You are usefull for us Robert =)
- Qbat
I am getting a few new people to follow here, which is good!
- Robert Scoble
Qbat aka Larsen: Agreed!
- Larry Roth
I am not a bot! I am a free man!
- Jeff Newfeld
Talking directions?
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
i guess i've been lucky - i don't think i've seen any bots yet on FF (going now to check my short followers list)
- Chris Rogers
Why do you think that people take the time to comment here?
- Andrew Pass
This thread is like watching the real time web on steroids.I can't type fast enough to keep the comment box in view....yikes!
- Dana Fosburgh
Robert - me too, thanks! :)
- Susan Beebe
All you have to do is insult people and then they come :-)
- George Deane
Notice how many of us follow when we are told we are not following.
- Sandy McMerty
So, you're saying that people who don't use FF are spammers, bots or jerks ?
- Djordje Lukic
So when you figure out how many there are, How are you going to auto filter them out?
- Robert Wilkins
I read, I clicked, I arrived. I guess that means I'm not useless.
- Mike
This comment intentionally left useless.
- phil baumann
Seriously though let's not take the term 'followers' too literally. Just because I read a column doesn't mean I share the authors views. Just because you say lets discuss this on friendfeed doesn't mean I log onto FF and.......ah. OK....What is thy bidding?!
- Joshua Davidson
You suck, man. I refuse to be a minion. Oh, wait... shit...
- Joey Gibson
<Insert clever comment here.>
- CAJ, somewhere else
Am I in the 53% or the 47%?
- Tony Connor
What type of followers do you need Robert? Tell us and maybe we will try to be better.
- Qbat
150th
- Harscoat
DeVries: oh, I understand. We need better notified control.
- Robert Scoble
Well, those who don't do what you tell them are actually more useful. No for you directly, but for the society. They mix your directions with their own to create new ones.
- Kirill Petrovsky
Is this a roll call :)
- Boon Kwee
i'm just commenting to hang with the cool kids
- ukgrad98
^^ Nope 'happy hour' at Scoble's ;) ;)
- Ronald
"Follower" is a weird term. "Watcher" may be better. Follower implies action and engagement, and anybody who's used social media for more than 20 minutes knows that just isn't true.
- Jared Smith
Have I responded quick enough not to deemed useless. I feel a little baaaaa now.
- Crispin Heath
Jared: bing!
- Robert Scoble
So if you ever figure out how to deal with the bots and all the "I will teach you to make millions with Twitter" junk let us all know!
- Marshall Huwe
you are talking about twitter, they would be useless but they are numbers and number always count.
- Madhav Tripathi
If we need to use friendfeed to be useful, are there any clients or is it only the webinterface.
- Daniel Graversen
Marshall: this is how. Bots and spammers don't get FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel: what is wrong with the web?
- Robert Scoble
inscribo ergo sum (I write therefore I am)
- Jeff Newfeld
Nothing, just seem deficult to follow more threads. But that is probably not needed because the whole conversation is in once place. No need to multitask.
- Daniel Graversen
is it just me or is the most used "plugin" on FriendFeed twitter?
- Qbat
Actually, I find FriendFeed useless. I was reading an article about Twitter being useless, but the news get faster there. We'll have to say thanks to TwitScoop for that.
- Dragos Pirvu
I never use FriendFeed. it just agregates all my other feeds into one feed. thats all :D
- Zafarali
Dragos: wait until you compare search here to Twitter before calling it useless. Among other features.
- Robert Scoble
No bot me, no. Count me out for that one.
- Ton Zijp
dragos: all the news on Twitter is on FF, plus FF has better conversation - what do you think is missing?
- Chris Rogers
FriendFeed enables comments on your tweets.!
- Qbat
Robert Scoble: I think the proliferation of tools for Twitter let you slice and dice the data the way you want it and that is helpful to many. I do like the Web interface for FriendFeed, but imagine the possibilities that some cool tools could bring. No?
- Larry Roth
So then we need someone in your vast network to write us a little app that will map the Twitter users who comment on FF and then block all the rest! Or at least create a "Real" Group in TweetDeck for me.
- Marshall Huwe
You don't want followers, Robert—you want minions. I've got a few myself, and they're great.
- Glen Campbell, esq.
ha!
- Ned Baugh
there are SO MANY COMMENTS HERE
- Zafarali
the best part is u can track em
- Zafarali
Is this the way to San Jose? err ... I mean Friend Feed?
- Tom Horn
Twitter should have a option that people who want's to follow you must write a small text for WHY you should let them follow you or the other way around
- Qbat
Did you know that more than 90% of all statistics are made up? ;)
- Tim Young
I'm getting tired of having to block the spam followers everyday.
- Ron Hudson
Working on both FF and twitter - but FF is easier to follow comment threads
- kathysd
What is interesting is I am already following most of the people who commented here which proves my point.
- Robert Scoble
I was carefully looking at this list the other day http://spinn3r.com/rank... - turns out many people on it barely/if at all - use friendfeed.
- Nir Ben Yona
Can you guys slow down - I can't keep up :(
- Al Fuller
I think Twitter and FF provide different things and there is space on the internet for both :)
- Tom Griffin
I've had friendfeed for quite a while, but I've not used it much, how do I expand this chat?
- Ron Hudson
How does this post check for bots?
- Amit Morson
Followers can not be useless. At least you can be proud of the sheer scale. And I believe, you don't want to have a conversation with thousands people at once. That would be truly useless.
- Grigori Milov
I am here with you - I think it is that only half want to have a say.
- Robert Freeze
On Twitter I talk strangers V on Friendfeed I am among friends
- Asgeir
I'd like twitter to have a "report spam" button, this would avoid quite a lot of hassle...
- don manu
Ron: just click on comments link under the topic
- Qbat
ya like that! thanks. How do I do that?
- Ron Hudson
Why is it important that followers comment & discuss U2, @Scobleizer? BC U R green?
- Petter Griph
Amit: bots don't follow directions from people who are not their owners. No bots here.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed should get a comment button under all the comments
- Qbat
So, 47% will choose to do their own thing and not comment on here. Wait - what? Doh! And 65% won't read the comments that have already been made because there are already 'too many' :-D
- Andy Bold
Qbat: click on the time under the post and open it in a new window
- Robert Freeze
Andy: I'm in the 35% that read the comments. Didn't want my lame joke to be a REPEATED lame joke. :D
- Tim Young
Robert Freeze: aaah.! Thank you =)
- Qbat
Robert: unless perhaps the bot has directions to comment on every Scoble post?
- Brian Sullivan
This reminds me of that "following directions" test from grade school. 1. Read all instructions before beginning. (2 -> N-1). Lots of crazy instructions which we all did. N. Don't do any of the previous instructions. Turn the page over, write your name, and wait.
- Don Faulkner
Robert Freeze, that never worked for me
- Amit Morson
Go watch Perez Hilton's video about being beaten up last night and going on techcrunch
- Mark
time for a pint :-p
- tony bland
Robert Freeze that worked. that should be labeled a bit better
- Ron Hudson
Andy: I didn't tell you to read all the comments! :-)
- Robert Scoble
If I reply here that I think it's less than 53% I may actually prove myself wrong. So be it.
- Arnd Jan Gulmans
Should be a rewind and play button so you can play back all the comments.. like google wave
- Qbat
Lots of users are already on the service but, under utilize it. Really still don't understand how powerful the service is or how to use the filtering system.
- Eric Logan
And how many minutes/comments-in does the Scobalizer stop reading the comments? Opps, I just see that we are not supposed to "read" to comments...only discuss them.
- Stephen Price
Thats cause they were busy seeing what I am doing!! LOL, your not the only person bossing people around.
- T.S. Elliott
How big is the percentage of your followers that doesn't follow you?
- Arnd Jan Gulmans
I love Friend Feed!
- Robert Freeze
Click here for 101 ways to get rich ... Woooops, sorry wrong percentage group.
- Chris Spencer
The reason I don't use friendfeed very much is because there is no SocialScope support on my blackberry. As soon as I can get a sweet blackberry app I'll be here more.
- Ron Hudson
Now if I can just get my mom on here. http://www.building43.com/blogs...
- Robert Freeze
I don't want to be in the wrong group. :P
- Sheryl
Ron: http://fftogo.com
- Tom Griffin
Tim: I'm a 65%er :) Though I am now in the 13.9% that skim comments to see what's going on. And also in the 29.4% of people managing to find replies to their comments in the Scobleflow. Definitely in the 100% of people wanting a Comment link at the end of each conversation since I moved back to Safari. Oh, and also in the 100% of people who take conversations off topic while making up statistics.
- Andy Bold
Done, in.
- Thom Kennon
Tom Griffin, I saw that, and it's "usable" but it's nowhere near the elegance and simplicity of say UberTwitter,SocialScope, or TweetGenious. I use SocialScope. It is an absolute Killer app.
- Ron Hudson
Do I get partial credit for skimming the comments? No? Sorry, master.
- malackey
Cool, so, I'm in the 47%, 35%, 29.4%, 100% and 100% ranges! I'm all over the place. Thanks Scoble and Andy for helping me learn something new about myself.
- Tim Young
I see the "224 more comments" bit on FF and know I don't need to add another comment. Erm...
- Ian Betteridge
FFtogo doesn't auto-refresh
- Ron Hudson
To follow or not to follow, or to passive follow versus have an active conversation?
- Peter Simoons
More stats: 41% will miss Robert's reply to them in the reply flood, 26% will see it and not answer, 22% will have ADD (the tech curse) and already be doing something else, and 1% will see the reply and see it as an excuse to make up some more statistics. (And reply that I definitely have not read all the comments ;-) )
- Andy Bold
It's all about the user experience though - it's easier to comment to someone's question on Twitter by quickly clicking @ than click a link through to FF, faff about sizing the screen on the screen to wait for the comments to load, read them and then post, so yeah, I can see why many respond on Twitter than FF. I'm doing that more myself as currently very busy with work projects. This...
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- Sally Church
And, somewhere in the horde, somebody will belatedly realise that he somehow manages to fall into Robert Scoble's "useful" list. Darn it - will need to post more signal and less noise now! ;)
- Andy Bold
I refuse to fall prey to this ruse, Robert. Oh...wait... ;)
- Robert J Taylor
I added you to my Live acct weeks ago. No reply.
- Bret
I'm too sleepy to read all this right now.
- Daniel Zarick
clever early morning link-bait
- Jake Ludington
nice one :) you should do an NHST on that hahaha
- The Pageman
They should change that from "followers" to something like "watchers" or "subscribers". As in "I have a subscription to the Scoble lifestream."
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
discuss (Would hate to be useless)
- Charlie Anzman
So is this a casual social experiment to determine rough percentages of active/rabid users who like to engage/participate with those they follow?
- Eden Hensley
I completely agree! Unfortunately I might be considered part of that 53%! The only reason I am responding is because someone else I follow re-tweeted it. I personally have over 5000 followers but only regularly interact with 50 or so. Isn't Social Media about conversation and being engaging? Hmmm......
- Robert Dominguez
Robert: Very interesting experiment, one should use there own judgment over there (twitter) regarding bots and spammers.
- Eran Even-Kesef
@Scoble: I'm listening. What are you going to say, or what did I miss?
- Jason Cronkhite
from Alert Thingy
It is a direction. Anybody must walk all alone ... so, what is the point?
- bishoph
same here, most people don't read
- Michael Reese
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave:)
- Rick Bucich
I too am tired of blocking spam followers on twitter...
- W_B_K
great man！！no protect update.... and i just follow ..i 'd like be the unless fllower..lol~~
- HealingBrush
Not being a bot, I am compelled to follow directions.
- Randall Fink
I am useless :-(
- Andrew
Re blackberry access, try http://friendfeed.com/iPhone - it's supposed to look good on BB too
- Andy Bold
from email
Andy Bold, I played with iPhone page too, but it's just a pain to have to open the browser. The blackberry environment is all about easy simple communication. If I have to jump through hoops it breaks down. Not to mention a friend feed experience without push is not a friendfeed experience.\
- Ron Hudson
99% of your followers will not read the 250 comments proceeding this one, and I am one of those 99%
- Steve C
That'll teach me for ignoring Twitter for a few minutes a couple of hours ago! Late as usual.
- Graham Stewart
Hey, much better here! Twitter sux.... after getting locked out of @freddavis for months with NO reply from Twitter, even after you tweeted @ev and @biz (thanks!)... so I my new Twitter name is @fucktwtr ... but much better to use FriendFeed!
- Fred Davis
I almost thought that you have a big ego. :)
- Shuuro
followers are for cults. twitter should change to readers/reading, because at the end of the day this is all about reading
- Jim Posner
Adding my opinion to the rollcall, though I've just realized that i actually have no opinion on this.
- Chris Foley
Clever. :-)
- Patrick Ward
To much noise, the good data is lost.
- Adam Mesenbrink
Yes to much noice. Maybe a way to mark comments as good could be a way to filter the comments.
- Daniel Graversen
Adam, I think that's a limitation with the threaded discussion model of FriendFeed - it becomes very, very difficult to follow a conversation once it goes beyond a hundred or so comments. Of course, Scoble will come up with a search filter which makes it easy in about three comments from now, just to prove I'm wrong... :)
- Ian Betteridge
I didn't realize followers were supposed to do what their followees said. Does that mean I have to open those links to help me make money on twitter? I was just using it for communication. Silly me.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: communication takes someone on the other side listening and talking back.
- Robert Scoble
Useless to YOU, perhaps. I'll bet they are getting value from the info you rpovide. Social media doesn't have to be about communication, it can be about "transmitting information" or some other morer restrcitive definition of what goes on. Some people just like to listen!
- Jim Tierney
Useful post :)
- Krishnamoorthy
Agreed! There are those like me who sit in shadows, read and do not comment... oh wait, crap!
- Danny F Santos
Talking back is definitely good, but I'm still not clicking on those links telling me I can make money on twitter. I do talk back to people (as evidenced here). :-) So you have a lot of followers who don't. Do they even tweet? Can anyone explain why people join twitter and don't tweet?
- RobinDotNet
Jim: I'm not a broadcast, though. Are people who just consume really useful?
- Robert Scoble
And BTW, if you don't realize the value your personal brand gets from having those 48,000 followers whether they reply back or not, you're missing something!
- Jim Tierney
Robin: people are used to consuming info and not talking back. I understand that. Jim: there is some value in having lots of consumers, yes. I just aspire to more.
- Robert Scoble
lucky you that non all of them have an active role in your FF... how can you think of have an interaction wth so many people?
- Paolo Galli
from IM
I think you math is waaaaaaaay off. Looks like somewhere around 0.3125%(300/96,000 - rounding up) of your followers are useful, meaning you should edit your comment to say 99.7% of your followers. Really makes me wonder the true value of twitter if one of the top uses gets this percentage of useful following. The other possibility is that as followers increase, the percentage of attentive/usefull/whatever-you-want-to-call-it decreases.
- Robert D. Fraser
Paolo: I've had interactions with tens of thousands of people here on friendfeed, just not all at the same time. Robert: you're right. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Do you think those non-tweeting-twitterers sit at their desk and read all the tweets coming across? Or are they looking for something specific.
- RobinDotNet
Scoble: You are asking questions and experimenting with stuff that I find interesting. Just reading through this thread provides some interesting insights into users' perspectives on Twitter.
- Matthew Schrock
Is that southeastweb thing from a bot or some kind?
- RobinDotNet
Robin: I think it's a spammer. But at least it's a spammer that follows directions. That said I think I'm going to block it.
- Robert Scoble
Blocked.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble you really can do it? I'm very impressed :) I'm jocking... I think many users on the web just read information but doesn't partecipate... it's to difficult ;)
- Paolo Galli
from IM
97.2% of all statistics are made up.
- Jason A. Nunnelley
Tekany: and the statistics that aren't made up can mislead. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Seeing a spammer blocked just makes me feel warm all over. It's so awesome.
- RobinDotNet
I am exceptionally useless.
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: that's why I follow you! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Following instructions is way overrated
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
That's what I'll have on my next business card: Scoble found me useful, what about you ?
- Antoine Bertier
RTFM or GTFO said the BOFH.
- Jon Winters
Although at this point I would welcome someone giving me instructions as to the next steps in life - far too many options. Maybe I should crowdsource it, but I am certain not to like the results
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Robert: To be honest, I think sometimes folks are intimidated by the breadth of knowledge that you and others on FF seem to have and your ability to engage in discussions. They may feel that they need to say something 'brilliant' or not say anything. I will admit that that I fell into that category up until recently. To your (and others') credit, once I took the plunge I found that this wasn't the case. You guys still know WAY more than I do, but that's one of the reasons I'm here - to learn!
- Alex Hellstrom
@scobleizer you crack me up sometimes! There, see this post went to you in both places... But I don't really feel like discussing it... ;-P
- Walt Ruppar
Walt: heh.
- Robert Scoble
LOL! Great job of being satirical! You have a lot of great followers. :)
- James Stratford
Just sayin I could follow directions and discuss here if I wanted, but not interested in this discussion. However it did make me laugh that you called 53% of your followers out on not being able to follow directions.
- Walt Ruppar
Alex, uhm like totally and stuff ... and uhm. Ya know. Cool.
- Jason Nunnelley
BTW: where'd you see my reply come in from first? FF or as a mention over on twiiter?
- Walt Ruppar
Walt: here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you dropped your twitter response button. Makes sense, but was it purely to reduce redundancy?
- Jason Nunnelley
viewing people as "useful" is problematic..useful to who?..tools are "useful'...people not so much...helpful may be a more precise word.
- Jim Posner
Jim, wordsmith!
- Jason Nunnelley
Hi
- Tyler (Chacha)
.LOLz...great thread!
- .LAG liked that
Twitter to me seems a big mess of information, I can't keep up with it! FF sorts the mess out nicely and without the spam. I much prefer FF.
- Matthew Davis
Jim: you're right of course. I was just trying to be an egotistical bbbaaaahhhhssssttttaaaarrrrrdddd to get a conversation going. Jason: what did I drop? I didn't do it on purpose.
- Robert Scoble
Damn it Robert, you got me to make an account here three days ago, what more can I do for you? ;-P
- Shane Trammell
Robert, you are smart
- Arvind
This is an easy way to get rid of bots. They don't have anything intelligent to share (like me)!
- Carlton Prest
WTG sheeple for getting conned into commenting here... wait. um.
- Scott Breakall
Robert, what if people want to reply and be engaging but don't feel like they have anything of value to say / to add to the discussion?
- Wang Yip
Scott: Perhaps, but at least I un-liked it...
- Walt Ruppar
Robert - what is the point of this? I took carrot...
- Liza
Robert, I just put the lime in the coconut. Now what?
- Sue Radd
Robert-Great discussion at 140, BTW. On another topic just watched the Perez Hilton video and trying to get my head around that rant..if you haven't seen it you should watch both sides of the feud with will.i.am. Interesting use of twitter and video to address insult/outrage.
- Jim Posner
Sue, like it.
- Liza
Yahoo Inbox: 178 messages. 132 are notifications of new comments here. Good job. :)
- Tim Young
Ok now I "get" this FriendFeed experience.
- Ron Hudson
lots of people commenting here--I wonder if it has to do with the time of day more than the topic
- Brent R Jones
I have a fear of being useless.
- Ron Wening
I hope I'm not within the 53%
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
Twitter rocks, but I'm starting to see more value in FriendFeed
- Adam
I just drove from Pierre SD to Fort Totten ND, so I'm a little bit groggy. What exactly was I supposed to do to pass Robert Scoble's version of a Turing Test? Also, is it really important that people think I'm not a bot? I bet there is still money in AI.
- Matthew McCowan
Is that percentage of useless followers greater or less on Twitter. (I think I can predict your answer!)
- Curt Mercadante
"I would never want to belong to any club that would have someone like me for a member."
- jacek
This thread is taking me a long time to read when I haven't had coffee yet today.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
So, my understanding is.. one who doesn't give 'directions' to his followers is useless too. Mmhhh! yeah
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Robert - there's nothing egotistical about it! I'd also be remiss if I didn't add that I get plenty of thought-provoking value from you even when in "read-only" mode. Understandably my usefulness to you is nil in those cases. However (and I'm echoing at least one other commenter here: IRONY ALERT) I've found that by the time I comment in this type of thread, my exact thoughts have...
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- Jim Tierney
I just hope Scobleizer never directs me to do something self-destructive. I hate it when that happens.
- DGentry
I don't think lurker are useless :), I don't think number of followers have a great significance, Friendfeed is a Virtual Life Streaming, and in virtual life (as in real life) some people don't have a direction, they live (however i prefer LIVE with all capital letters, and have a direction!!!).
- CantorJF
90% of community members lurk.
- l0ckergn0me
Twitter has become useless for any sort of participation
- Jorge Escobar
here.
- metalerik
Yay for the other 47%.
- Colette
Does this post count as "discussing?"
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
So if we post here, are we teacher's pets? :)
- Daynah
Members of the "TV Generation" are just not used to follow directions... (they sit and consume with chips&beer and maybe do some shopping via telephone - these are a well trained habits and hard to change)...
- Arne Krueger
I thought I'd contribute further to this discussion... you're welcome.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
I'm jumping up for another cup of tea, be right back...
- Deborah E. Bifulco
There clearly comes a point of scale where FriendFeed fails to delivery clarity...nothing useful on the first screenful or last... does that mean that 47% of your followers are unable to provide significant value?
- David Race
Will there be and end of this direction? Do we want to close directions? I think somewhen even directions become useless
- Vedran Rudelj
delivering significant value to ff and/or the subscribers depends on the roi they get... some people are just not using it - as it is intendet to be used. so what!?
- Arne Krueger
If technology fails you, next time you are in Memphis lets get together for lunch. Great value remains in human contact.
- Jeff Milton
That is priceless
- Keith - @tsudo
I am not a bot, I am huma ... wait, oh yeah, I am a bot .... never mind, back to being useless.
- John
Bots are human too.
- Thom Kennon
Liza: shhhh. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I found this thread useful.
- Mike Nencetti
Love these types of threads - quite enjoyable!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Oh, yeah?
- Baard @ Pixum
O Captain! My Captain!
- Nicola Mattina
Commenting so I'm not included in the useless category... Also, I'd love to chat about this the next time you're around the FF office.
- Ross Miller
There are 3 kinds of people in the world: 1. Those that follow Robert Scoble because he doesn't act like he's too good to talk to us. 2. Those that follow Robert Scoble because he is known to follow everyone back, and therefore he is good for "inflating" their follower count. 3. Those who have no idea why they are following Robert Scoble.
- April Russo (app103)
4th type of person follows for great feeds that generate discussion on FF.
- Mike Nencetti
April, you forgot the fourth category: 4. Those who don't subscribe to Robert Scoble but find far too many of his posts liked and commented by their friends.
- Scott of Two Countries
But the only reason why Robert generates great discussions is because he is part of that discussion. He doesn't just drop & run, or only talk to people he thinks are "somebody", completely ignoring the rest of us. While he may have a big ego, it isn't so big that he thinks he's too good to have a real conversation with us.
- April Russo (app103)
53%? That seems a generous estimate.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Rob: I have almost 42,000 followers here and 96,000 followers on Twitter, which comes out to 43%. Glad someone caught me on my math! :-)
- Robert Scoble
My casual research indicates about 1% will respond.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I can't put my finger on it, but I feel somehow manipulated...?
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
even if they don't respond there is something to be said about passive observing- no?
- michael sean wright
You call this a discussion?
- Phil Boiarski
Phil: this is not a discussion. It's a lot of people following directions. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert, nice experiment!
- Luis Enrique León
Aye aye Cap'n Scoble. Sorry I'm late but I just got done eating a plate of waffles in some diner in midtown NYC...
- Aaron Strout
53% of your followers aren't followers in the sheep sense. That's a good thing. Lose the other 47%
- C. K. Sample III
C. K. why must you self loathe on my thread?
- Robert Scoble
I feel kind of funny.
- Mike Nayyar
It's not easy being part of the 47%
- Aidan Mann
I am not a sheep! Oh wait, maybe I am.
- adam garrett
RS - The puppet master : )
- Mark Harai
I feel compelled to comment here... odd
- Jan Ole Peek
Mark: who is the puppet master and who is the puppet? I'm answering you now.
- Robert Scoble
Just following directions. Too many Mark's here though, I wish FF signed thing with our usernames.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
You can change your display name any time by clicking on your name in the top right corner.
- Mark
Robert: communication still occurs when unidirectional, surely the works of Socrates convey concepts to readers even today?
- Mike Chelen
Wow! It wasn't till I finished reading through almost all the comments that I got what Robert was trying to say :) FF good, Twitter bad. But I can't complain since it was Leo Laportes constant references to FF that got me to join and Roberts comments that got me to try and really understand what FF is all about. Initially FF was a little overwhelming and the only reason I've stuck it through so far is because of the higher quality of content for a (mostly) passive FFer.
- Anant Gairola
Writing that last comment took me 10 minutes! Really really wish there was a good FF iPhone application!!!
- Anant Gairola
Anant: the content here keeps getting better as more and more people join (which is quite a few every week lately, my numbers are going up much faster here than on Twitter, the tides are starting to move).
- Robert Scoble
baa baa
- Kim Landwehr
I'm sorry... did you say something?
- Sean
You have no Idea how tempting it is to reshare this - and discuss it over there >>>>>>>>>>
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
No rain, no rainbows..
- BryanSchuetz
FF is the only place I can dip into your content 'at will', Twitter is to noisy and makes me dig a lot further to see the flow of conversation and any associated references.
- Threepwood
I like to lurk most of the time. I usually don't have much to add by the time I am able to read the whole thread.
- Dan Douglass
from Nambu
Better late than never!
- John Rubier
tag
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Testing the maximum for FF comments? :P
- Barbara
Are you happy with how friendfeed is developing? What would you change, if you were in control? I love the daily digests, I prefer something filtering the best content from those I follow
- Ryan Singer
first post... wait.
- Aaron Baer
following........
- sirishkumar
amazing post.
- Guy Vander Heyden
Suivez moi?
- Gordon Joly
Oui, monsieur Gordon ! Où allons nous ?
- Brome
<----- not a bot so what percent does that make me?
- Howell Selburn
from BuddyFeed
bleet bleet
- Sriks7
Master is our friend!
- Rick Cogley
Adding myself to the list :)
- TiTi
Why a follower must follow direction? :)
- Christine Yang
from BuddyFeed
Lead, follow or whatever...Info on Neda http://tinyurl.com/nm9xdn
- JoWazzoo
:)
- Tony
This is a wicked and interesting post on FriendFeed =)
- Qbat
by the way some of my twitter followers complain that, like you, I redirect them to friendfeed on every post there. Some say I have to choose between the two and they will follow me there, but not on both services.
- Kostantinos Koukopoulos
Kostantinos: it's an open question how best to interconnect FF and Twitter. remember that there are a wide range of options, including sending comments or posts, and sending posts automatically or manually. the feedback from readers is helpful if it can be used to find the right balance
- Mike Chelen
53% of your followers will leave you and then what? insult the other 47%. You can't just say it that way. You need to treat your followers with respect. Especially when you are your biggest fan. People will leave you in a heartbeat.
- Jack Scalfani
Be a nice little follower, and drink the damn kool-aid!
- James
Another contrarian tweet: What if Twitter is leading us astray in #IranElection? http://trueslant.com/joshuak... These last 3 links reflect my concerns
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Good points. Is the real time web really good for the truth? Maybe not.
- Robert Scoble
I'm skeptical of real-time web that *rises* during a crisis. (Unfortunately, and understandably, in these early times, this is almost always the case.) The medium (RT web in this case) has to pre-exist and has to have a proven record before being trustworthy. For example, if it was about a US incident, I'd know who's tweets to trust.
- Panayotis Vryonis
There is a difference between reporting and analysis/journalism. There is a difference between reporting an event and understanding what it means in the context of numerous other reports. This is akin to saying "it's cold here this summer, so global warming is false."
- Justin Long
I have been feeling the same thing over the past few days about the Iranian Election... Twitter has been great in getting information out but how much is rumor and how much is fact. It's not a new problem though, when it comes to things from the Internet.
- Robert Freeze
Thanks, guys. I posted my thoughts (long essay): http://disq.us/htj
- Kathy E Gill
What would be so wrong in giving up UX to be a professional dog walker? I already clean up shit for a living. At least I'd get to be outside
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Headed for the office and lots of catch up before the long weekend. Will take time to protest, again, the arrogance of the Gov.
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Arrogant is an understatement for his attitude. I hope the rest of the world is paying attention. Can you imagine that in a president? I'm sure that's his aspiration.
- Linda Wadman
RT @scotthepburn OMG! I'm in a bar and can only hear conversations between people I know! It's so quiet! This place is lame...I'm leaving.
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New blog post: Twitter’s Most Moronic Change: Removing @ Reply Settings http://whitneyhess.com/blog...
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What was Twitter thinking?
- Linda Wadman
Twitter just made FriendFeed more valuable for me - http://faboomama.com/2009...
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In a rather strange and silent move, the Twitter honchos have decided to tell you how to use Twitter. They’ve turned off the ability for you to see @replies to people you’re not following. So say for instance @shayera says something and I reply to her. Well, my handful of followers also following @shayera will see [...]
- Admiral Anika
I was just thinking that earlier - FriendFeed may become the best way to use Twitter usefully. (How is this going to affect other clients? Are they going to somehow screw up the API?)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
You know, this may just help bring more people over to FF, so maybe it's not such a bad thing.
- Michael McKean
I'm more annoyed by the cutesy-vague blog post, but yes at least I can still see @replies via FF. Hell, I followed 3 new people in the past few days because of @replies.
- Admiral Anika
Twitter sure do like limits.
- Mo Kargas
1UP Anika.
- Derrick
What exactly is Twitter thinking? Can't show RT conversations ... just pretend they don't exist!
- AJ Kohn
Anika, yep. I follow tons of people based on @replies. It's kind of like FoaF on FriendFeed (rough comparison, I know). Which, guess what, you can turn off if you want to! But you don't have to! It's an OPTION. Concept.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
yes, i don't get why we can't manage our own streams. it was working fine, IMO.
- Admiral Anika
Hmmm ... there goes the networking neighbourhood.
- Kate Foy
I am going to use "addlepated"...probably in a Twitter reply to a non-existent person. Hmm...is @addlepated taken?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
@addlepated is a real Twitter user. We aren't following each other.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
LOL @John. You're crazy. :)
- Admiral Anika
Twitter also says it will be "introducing new ways to discover interesting accounts" in future. i like that. but i like my own judgemen ...
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Yeah - why not release those features first, then prep us for a removal like this?
- Jesse Stay
I agree Jesse. This is less than gradual and it's kind of pissed me off.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
I'll agree with the dislike as well, I just logged in to twitter for the first time today and saw the notes/news, not a fan.
- John Spyers
Taking away a key feature with the vague promise of new ways to discover interesting accounts is typical twullshit. track, rip.
- Karoli
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Just precious,. you lucky Grandma!
- Linda Wadman
oh, happy day that Miss Claire arrived safe and sound in this world. Welcome little grandbaby!
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Will pictures be forthcoming? I love the name BTW. One shared by a favorite cousin of mine.
- Linda Wadman
The most disgusting idea I've heard lately is:
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That you are only worth something if you have tons of followers.
- Robert Scoble
Getting your self worth from people who follow you is totally shallow and, anyway, out of your control.
- Robert Scoble
Far better way to judge your participation on social networks? What is the quality of the people you are following? Better inputs = better output.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, I heard that someone said this on Oprah yesterday. I'll try to find a clip.
- Robert Scoble
worth? value? all in the twitter/ff area or IN REAL world? that's the most digusting idea (confusing real world/economy with net tweets).
- Nikos Kouremenos
Nikos: it's a disgusting idea in real life AND on social networking!
- Robert Scoble
I think it's funny that there's now tools to help you get more followers. How? By following people who autofollow. Lame.
- Robert Scoble
Why the need to judge at all? To each his own.
- LogEx
Thought only belongs to a select group. Now that's disgusting.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Yeah auto follow sucks. I tried that and then had to unfollow a lot of people. Twitter became noise instead of fun.
- Brian Thompson
Robert: All I meant to say, is since you're a great writer please focus on REAL issues. Keep it up
- Nikos Kouremenos
'number of followers' as metric in social networking is so pre-Web 2.0 - the age of mass media
- Yung-Hui Lim
That computers are a roadblock to development. (so said Mulayam Singh Yadav, an Indian politician).
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
Completely agree. That's asocial media IMO. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/asocial...
- AJ Kohn
Brian: I have a how-to video that shows how I read Tweets here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Brian: in the video I show how you can use Twitter and friendfeed together to get past the noise. The noise is actually fun, if you know how to surf it. Even last night I was ahead of all the tech bloggers in knowing that Obama had picked a new CTO because of this system.
- Robert Scoble
Always thought auto follow was lame, why would I want to follow a bunch of people that say nothing that interest me just to build up numbers, but then I was never very good at popularity thing in high school either.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: I agree, but I needed to be able to get DMs from everyone and Twitter's DM system requires I follow everyone. Friendfeed's system, where I can follow you and then follow other people more closely by putting them in lists is FAR superior.
- Robert Scoble
Teabagging.
- innesm
donating only if you win a competition is kinda up there... ;)
- Krikit Media
agreed Krikit :) .. why not just donate in the beginning and still have the competion for funs sake
- Kashif Khan
there´s one interesting thing in online vs. offline: we know from neuroscience, that listening to people we hardly know is processed by our brain as fiction. what much better related people (friends, family) tell us is processed like non-fiction, taken for real and saved deeper in the brain. so auto-followers and filter-junkies won´t "listen" even if they seem to technically do. but online there´s some relevance in being linked with the more the better. so far about value of quantity...
- esther ♥ ♫
precisely, Kashif :)
- Krikit Media
The idea that your only value is in the numbers, is a value system many people subscribe to. I can see where there may be value, as in the case of an analyst trying to gain some understanding of something, or for businesses where they need the information from many. But Robert, you made a REALLY great point in our discussion when you said, for example, Nielson ratings only need 1000 different tv watchers from across the country to get a good mix of the masses. After the first 1000, what is the point?
- Sheryl
Reference to the above question I posted: http://stardustglobalventures.com/2009...
- Sheryl
Scoble: Thanks for the info. I watched the video and that helped. I guess one has to pay attention to both streams though as tweets from people I follow that don't have friendfeed won't show up in my stream here.
- Brian Thompson
The most disgusting idea I've heard lately is that a famous a-list blogger is doing something mysterious with some yet to be named internet "fanatics" in "building 43"... Secretive and funded by a big company, it sounds very industrial age to me ...we are way past that at this point, we are even past the information age.
- Tweet Feeds
So let's just hide the follower count. Job done! Now everyone is equal and you live and die by your content...
- Bob Walder
from BuddyFeed
You obviously never had to worry about ratings. The number of people "following" my shows has been the ONLY thing that has mattered for 30 years. I'm not so sure it's such a bad metric.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I'm beginning to agree with you there. Engagement is important, but first impression comes from that list of people following you. However, with it being so easy to gain followers on Twitter (by gaming it), do follows mean as much on Twitter as they mean elsewhere?
- Jesse Stay
Whether or not it's a good or bad metric surely depends on one's goals. It's not an inherently valuable metric, though, and what's strange is that so often folks do treat it like one. Last year when Plurk was taking off, I spent lots of time playing there. "Karma" rapidly became the obsession. Interesting, because just gaining followers isn't the only thing that drives that number up, but still too bad that it became the sole driver for so many--the cynosure of their every move.
- Kathy Fitch
It's a mistake to think that a new medium that is as flexible as twitter won't model what happens in other mediums.
- Ryan Massie
You're telling me that when you speak it's inherently irrelevant if anyone is listening? You can't have engagement without an audience. But obviously the numbers on Twitter are now irrelevant. It's as if the Nielsen company decided to "adjust" the ratings based on their own opinion of a show's merit.
- Leo Laporte
The idea that being the focus of many increases a person's worth is very, very old. It won't disappear, any more than any other form of vanity will disappear. Saying that you only follow or are followed by a certain type of person is just as vain, and just as legitimate an aspiration. It's not a bad thing, though I can see how having the Nouveau Tweets come along would be annoying to those who've been around for awhile.
- jojo, adventurer
The difference between Leo Laporte's view of "audience" versus Robert Scoble's view of his network in real life and online punctuates the difference between old and new media. An audience is a passive thing that "responds" to you and a network is something you "participate" in where there's give and take. Just because Laporte uses new media tools doesn't make him new media. Seems he just revealed here that he isn't.
- Debi Jones
Leo: followers get you and me paid but if that is how we get our self worth (I know in your case it is not) then that is a sad life indeed. Oh, by the way, I blogged when I only had two readers. You don't need a large audience to give a speech. I give speeches to my sons all the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Debi: Leo gets paid by having lots of people listening. My paycheck relies on that too. But my self worth does not rely on it and I would still do this whether or not I was paid. (In last downturn I did it while not getting paid).
- Robert Scoble
I'm tempted to do a demo that I can hit a million followers with little to no effort, just to show why it's so flawed. It's really easy on Twitter - followers mean absolutely nothing there.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
1 million is old and busted . We need a new number ;) . Worth of a person != net worth of a person
- Kashif Khan
Whether or not "anyone" is listening is quite a different thing than "more is always better." If we're talking a mostly one-way broadcast that is one's livelihood, then, sure, more is always better for your income. If it's a workshop or a studio atmosphere we're after, then "that's *way* too many!" becomes a real possibility. True, even, of performances--certainly from the audience perspective.
- Kathy Fitch
Absolutely. Quality of audience is as important as quantity, especially in situations where interaction and conversation is important. Even our advertisers care as much about _who_ is listening as how many. That's how we compete with much larger media outlets.
- Leo Laporte
It only takes days now to reach 10s of thousands...shouldn't take long jesse - overall the numbers on twitter are useless and meaningless
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have a quote on my monitor that says: "_______________ healthy, and numerically strong." Fill in the blank with whatever, but it says the same - numbers don't tell the whole story.
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
It's much more important to me who is listening, and what they have to say in response. It doesn't matter if the whole planet heard it if they weren't listening.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, good point. "Listening" really is quite a different thing than "hearing." In some settings--where exchange is key, or teaching is the goal, or a sense of intimacy is important, for instance--smaller audiences (per performance, at least, if not overall) actually increase the chances that everyone will come away feeling that the experience was a success.
- Kathy Fitch
The way I know that people are truly listening, is by whether or not, and how, they respond...If I don't get thoughtful responses, I know I have not delivered my message. I do the same for others. This is how we become successful together
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'd rather have an incremental increase of followers as opposed to a large amount at once, and I'd prefer followers I can talk with, joke with, discuss with or learn from. It's still down to the quality of the followers you have, not the number. And really, if all your followers aren't listening, then it's not worth having so many.
- George Hall (Australia)
that brands could 'takeover' social media!? Ha, people move away from each successive over application of traditional advertising in this world.
- Kemp Edmonds
Wealthy, B-list celebrities saying they will only give cash to a good charitable cause, if enough people follow them on twitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Jim Connolly
Robert I get that audience is important if you want to attract advertisers in one current model. However, if you look the end results of Twit.tv and what you do, there is a very noticeable distinction. Leo Laporte broadcasts and his audience has conversations in chat rooms while he is broadcasting. That not very different than what CNN or other old media outlets do. I'm just pointing that out. - As for your point about self worth, that really feels more like a strawman. There are other angles to consider.
- Debi Jones
Can you monetize a large enough audience - yes. Are your contributions or interactions in social networks somehow lacking value because your audience isn't large? Of course not. One question to ask is how big does your network need to be for it to be responsive and help you get things done?
- Debi Jones
How we realize the benefits of online social networks where we can increase the number of our "weak ties" or acquaintances? The foundational study "The Strength of Weak Ties" by Mark Granovetter http://is.gd/i1s2
- Debi Jones
Money Quote from Strength of Weak Ties: "It follows, then, that individuals with few weak ties will be deprived of information from distant parts of the social system and will be confined to the provincial news and views of their close friends. This deprivation will not only insulate them from the latest ideas and fashions but may put them in a disadvantaged position in the labor market..."
- Debi Jones
Debi - I don't think the size of the network need be very large to get things done. It just has to reach the right people. If you don't know who those people are, the numbers can help you find them. I can use the size of my own network as an example. As I decide what I want to get done, I find no difficulty reaching the people I need to. And at the size of my network, I don't miss opportunities to listent that I might with a larger, more blanketing network.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
(which is not to say that I'm arguing with you) :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I like seeing my numbers go up, but really, I'm here to provide value for myself first of all. If others gain value from it too, all the better. But really, I'm here to keep tabs on all you guys and learn from you, and pass on what I learn in case there's anyone out there interested enough to hear it again from me.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
My opinion is, if you don't want to hear it from me, that's your loss, not mine. I can still see what you have to say, so I'm not losing anything by you not following me.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Then there's this article from The Economist with commissioned data analysis from Facebook's Data Team. Primates on Facebook - http://www.economist.com/science...
- Debi Jones
And the detailed analysis directly from Facebook's Data Team. http://overstated.net/2009... - Maintained Relationships. The network diagram clearly illustrates The Strength of Weak Ties where light lines connect two clumps of conections under All Friends - http://overstated.net/wp...
- Debi Jones
I know these kinds of people Robert I see them in public on a daily basis.
- James Robertson
I change mine to "a discussion wherein lots of people just confidently say aphoristic sounding statements".
- innesm
New blog post: An important announcement for my 300th post http://whitneyhess.com/blog...
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- Linda Wadman
Who needs Disneyland when you've got San Fancisco? Street entertainment. Parks. Cable cats & BART. Bonus: doped up people getting arrested.
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- Linda Wadman
Neil Gaiman reading Graveyard book -- very captivating.
- Ruth Solie
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