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FriendFeeds Visitors might be down but its quality is back up - http://techwag.com/index...
Liviu Barbat, Andrew Terry, Mike Nencetti and 5 other people liked this
I disagree that visitors are down - see http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
You are still wrong, Jesse. We'll wait for you.
- Louis Gray
Keep telling yourself that, Louis - you're the only one that has disagreed with me so far
- Jesse Stay
I agree with the title of the article, but the substance is very lacking. He cites 5 FF users, only 2 of which are active. I think the problem is the fact that the author himself does not use FriendFeed.
- Itachi
Itachi, be sure to read my article above in which I provide real substance showing even visitors are going up
- Jesse Stay
I think this debate may best be resolved with arm wrestling.
- Mark H
I can't say I totally agree/disagree with either one of you. You both make valid points given the data. As far as this guy being on FriendFeed, I don't know him and he did name a couple of pretty dead feeds, but FriendFeed is in the eye of the beholder...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
All I can say is mine is based on stats and real data - take it as you may. If someone's opinion is more important, I'm fine with that.
- Jesse Stay
Max was in my lap and someone got jealous.
Steven Perez, Niranjan, Alex Scoble and 50 other people liked this
Lovely
- Josh Haley
He looks so much like Spike!
- Rochelle
He does, but I think his fur is shorter on his face! Also, he is missing a leg. That's how we can tell them apart! He always fidgets too much for pictures, so it was a rare treat to have him sitting still until Bella came and caused him to move.
- joey
I didn't notice the second cat at first.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I didn't either John. I was admiring the beautiful woman in the picture.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
It was Ben, wasn't it! Ben got jealous. I knew it!
- Kyle Johnson
Looking good, Josephine
- RAPatton
He looks a lot like my RubyRoo, except her "black fur face mask" just covers the top of her head, ending immediately below her eyes, so her nose, mouth and lower cheeks are snowy white. Did I mention that she has "cute tootsie roll poops?"
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Oh, and I didn't notice the cat for quite awhile either.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Nice Bracelet, did someone local make the beads (or the whole thing for that matter)?
- Joe
Mark, post a photo of her :)
- joey
Joe, my parents brought it to me from a trip to Hawaii so it came from an artist local to there, but my aunt makes similar glass beads (and other things). She actually lives in NC, though, so I suppose she's not local either. But she is talented :)
- joey
Wow - those are lampwork beads? When you said Hawaii my mind immediately when to tagua nut - hmmm that is a great look! and two sweet kitties!
- Robyn Hawk
Robyn, they are! They're gorgeous.
- joey
Oh, I'm an idiot. It's Murano glass (makes much more sense) not from Hawaii. My parents travel frequently for work and Hawaii was the last place they went (lucky them) before giving me the gift.
- joey
My mom loves murano glass I have bought her some pieces, I love the detail of it.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
It looks like you're in a winter wonderland over there
- veo
Fwd: Four Seasons « Flickr Blog - http://blog.flickr.net/en... (via http://friendfeed.com/nia...)
Shayanlinux, Iván Abrego, Liviu Barbat and 12 other people liked this
:))
- Nia
Of all the crimes Microsoft has foisted on us, I think the most grievous, subtle, and woefully pervasive is changing the path delimiter from '/' to '\'.
rowlikeagirl, Can Mert Bozkurt, Thomas Bøhm and 23 other people liked this
I forgive Microsoft for Clippy. But I cannot forgive them for this.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I woulda said the original XBox controller...
- Internet's Tad
And you woulda been WRONG, sir!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd argue that fewer people are still affected on a regular basis by Bob.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Of all the crimes the UNIX community has foisted on us, I think the most grievous, subtle and woefully pervasive is the misuse of "/" as a path delimiter.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, that'd make sense except that UNIX came first and thus the precedent was established.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Reminds me of that part of the book "Good Omens", where the demon talks about how much evil is generated by crappy highway design.
- mikepk
Akiva, that would make sense, except that they got it wrong by doing it first. Microsoft did it correctly and thusly wins.
- Alex Scoble
Wasn't DOS based on CP/M (edit: when I say based on, I mean loose copy of)? So the question is, what were the path delimiters in CP/M?
- mikepk
Reverse solidus is reverse.
- Micah Wittman
Well said Akiva, well said.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
UNIX's failing is that it isn't as good as Windows and never will be. #MicrosoftRulesTheUniverse #TheSpiceMustFlow
- Alex Scoble
CP/M didn't support paths at all. And even the Windows API supports the forward slash for paths.
- Victor Ganata
Everyone, Alex is just trolling because he likes to automatically take up whatever position is contrary to my own. Don't feed him or he gets this terrifyingly giddy look in his eyes.
- Akiva Moskovitz
"That is correct, originally DOS like CP/M didn't have a concept of directories, all file access used file control blocks. When they added directories in Dos 2.0 they added new int21 calls which supported the directory paths and these have always accepted either forward or reversed slashes as path separators interchangeably. Dos 3.0 added an int21 call to canonicalize pathnames which...
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- Micah Wittman
The very fact that Bill Gates chose to use a backslash should show that it is the one true way. Bill Gates is never wrong...unlike that Torvalds guy or that Steve Jobs guy.
- Alex Scoble
Actually, it probably wasn't Gates. IBM foisted it on MS. BillG would probably have been happy to use the forward slash.
- Victor Ganata
Thank you for the demonstration, Alex!
- Akiva Moskovitz
And I don't automatically take up a position contrary to Akiva. It just appears to be that way.
- Alex Scoble
"A:\Alex\Hobbies\Positions\Bit-Flip\New Folder" <--- had quote for space char which is a whole 'nother thread.
- Micah Wittman
I don't know...when was the last time you saw me extolling the virtues of *NIX operating systems?
- Alex Scoble
There's no room for unabashed M$ fanboi-ism on this thread - the context is "Of all the crimes Microsoft has foisted on us" (and there are oh so many) - so one must be chosen.
- LogEx
Here is my nomination for a crime by MS: Stacking the votes to get Office Open XML (what a misnomer) approved by the ISO as a standard.
- Michael R. Bernstein
++ Michael
- LogEx
There's no room for what now? Microsoft hasn't foisted crimes on us...But UNIX sure has. After all it's only through UNIX that we got those lame iMacs.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, wrong again. The hardware used by Macs has nothing to do with the OS and thus nothing to do with the topic at hand. Try again.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Meh, I don't really have my heart in this thread...it didn't bash Word.
- Alex Scoble
Hah! And to think that when I said that you sometimes argue just to argue you argued that I was wrong.
- Akiva Moskovitz
You didn't say sometimes...you said "automatically", which means I always do it...
- Alex Scoble
IIRC, Unix used "-" for command line parameters, but VMS used "/" so somebody had to make a choice for DOS, and they just went the VMS route. You can't really use the same character as a path delimiter and a command line argument flag, so... anway... blame DEC
- Ken Sheppardson
See? You're arguing with me again, Alex.
- Akiva Moskovitz
No, I'm not. ;p
- Alex Scoble
Yesterday was Word, now its this. Sigh
- Roberto Bonini
+1 to Ken
- Chieze Okoye
I guess we should be glad that DOS didn't decide to inherit the way VMS specifies paths :D
- Victor Ganata
I'm usually 100% behind Alex on these, but Akiva is right. Before MS, there was zero reason to even have \ on a keyboard.
- Matthew DeVries
You had to have it to escape characters, right?
- Andrew C
Apparently it's ALGOL's fault--/\ was the 'and' operator and \/ was the 'or' operator http://www.bobbemer.com/BACSLAS...
- Victor Ganata
YES! I've been counting down the days and hours until I could blame something on ALGOL. Take THAT, stupid ALGOL!
- Akiva Moskovitz
UNIX FTW! Still, if you want confusion, Apple are actively using 2 very different styles of file URI dependant upon the UI used, in Mac OS X...
- Tyson Key
There are some inconsistencies in OS X that do irritate me. For example, the Finder's filesystem appears to be different from the system's filesystem. I'm still fairly new to OS X so if there's a way to directly or indirectly drill down to, say, /usr/local/sbin in the Finder, I'm unaware of it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
In the Terminal, enter "defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES", then relaunch the Finder.
- Victor Ganata
Ah-ha! Should've known that there was an easy solution for that. I need to find a site that catalogs these defaults hacks.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks Victor! Just found these 15 tips: http://www.macosxtips.co.uk/index_f... - This is from 2007 - DO ANYBODY know of a newer tip sheet.
- Micah Wittman
Nice find, Micah.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I wonder if Apple will ever get rid of HFS+
- Victor Ganata
The house is smelling good! Turkey is almost ready. Who's coming over for a friendfeed? Happy Thanksgiving FriendFeeders!
John E. Bredehoft, Jason Huebel, VAL D. Zone and 32 other people liked this
Happy Thanksgiving
- Aly
i'm coming from Turkey. any problem Rob ? :)))
- Orçun the Nucro
There will be leftovers for days! Come on over! :-)
- Robert Scoble
i would come over if i was closer :)
- Allen Stern
Happy Thanksgiving Friendfeeders,and Scoble.Happy Religious Festival for The Islams also...In Turkish it's 'Kurban Bayramı', in Arabic; Eid al Adha...Thank You...
- Dedegi
Happy Thanksgiving...
- Nir Ben Yona
Happy Thanksgiving.
- ashish
Happy Turkey Day!
- Scott Carmichael
ditto
- VAL D. Zone
Same here Allen, Happy Thanksgiving
- Wayne Sutton
Happy Thanksgiving!!! WHOOOOO SCOBLE!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family! :-)
- Anna Haro
Happy Thanksgiving Robert!
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Thanksgiving guys
- Jayavasanthan J
Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Eid
- imran
yeah sure, happy back to you
- JSLeFanu
Good Morning - a gallery on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Gordon Herd, sallagitsin, Kazuya Yokoyama and 63 other people liked this
I've jut created my first gallery. Pretty cool. Shame you can only have a maximum of 18 images in each gallery.
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Nice Kol.
- Iván Abrego
the tree photo is beautiful - jules of http://www.soloden.com
- yuriandre
wow.. very nostalgic!! http://enjayneer.com
- enjayneer | JAYtography
I love the boat.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
It's good to have limits. More challenging. Great first gallery! Mine is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's a Burning Man theme
- sean808080
Nice work, Kol
- James Myatt
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Icelandic Aurora by Örvar Atli - http://www.pbase.com/orvarat...
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HealingBrush, junrxu, Hisa Itami and 28 other people liked this
Wow!
- rowlikeagirl
Yes it's quite impressive
- M F
@_@
- Armin
it shows how the nature is beautiful, and we're forgetting it.. wonderful!!
- Alaedin Fazel
it's wonderfull!!!
- kvsr
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,, Charles Frith, Vladimir Yashnikov and 149 other people liked this
Good point.
- Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
Including GNASH - the open source alternative - would solve that problem
- Bogdan Costea
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- Zio Bonino
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt Mastracci
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ?
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5.
- Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- Zio Bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs
- Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days.
- Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :)
- Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
I know some of the guys behind silverlight. It is some great technology. Too bad it's from Microsoft and is closed.
- Joe Beda ()
from iPhone
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right?
- Jérôme Flipo
Use HTML 5 instead!
- Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Lindsay
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird.
- Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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- .LAG liked that
Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I like this post!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid...
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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- .LAG liked that
Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology?
- Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future...
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- Kari Honkanen
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues...
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- Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.'
- Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :)
- Claudio Cicali ♋
MSFT sucks Claudio :)
- Orlando Pozo
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me.
- Karoli
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it).
- Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong).
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there.
- Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway.
- Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL.
- Gabe
it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis...
- Mike Chelen
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare.
- Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed?
- Nick Lothian
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps.
- Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion).
- Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS?
- Cliff Gerrish
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me.
- Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff.
- Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself.
- Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity.
- Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser.
- Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash.
- Gabe
Anyone else think Joy is Spam?
- Chris Myles
already reported it yesterday :)
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
from IM
I think most of my active followers have dropped off of FriendFeed. My home feed is quiet now - barely any likes or comments. Am I just not interesting any more?
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Same here, except I'm always boring. :)
- imabonehead
I mostly watch Facebook these days, and unfortunately haven't perfected a method for using them both simultaneously (in the same feed)....
- LarchOye
Seems to be true even for Robert Scoble and Louis Gray's feeds as well.
- Atul Arora
imabonehead you have some great stuff
- Jesse Stay
I just gave you a "pity subscription". ;-)
- Spidra Webster
Spidra, about time!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, sshhh. I like to keep my good stuff stashed away. :)
- imabonehead
I honestly don't know whether you're subbed to me or not. I usually follow back. Sorry!
- Spidra Webster
Larch, I'm moving more and more over to Facebook as well - I wish FriendFeed gave us an easy way to port over our subscriptions from here to Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Yay! Mona liked it!
- Jesse Stay
and then unliked it
- Jesse Stay
Oh, never mind - refresh did the trick. Mona still likes it :-)
- Jesse Stay
You are so silly!
- Mona Nomura
I just looked and subscribed - i was sure I was already subbed and shocked to find otherwise, I'll tell you! But I must implore you to stay active over here. I'm still much happier here, and I got waaay more real support here this past week when my mother was dying than on Facebook - mostly because the FB folks are real-life folks, so I couldn't really say what I was thinking. (And the...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Mary, no worries - it's funny how we see each other comment on friends' feeds so often that we think we're already subscribed. I've done that on more than one occasion. I'm not going anywhere. I would love to transition this more over to Facebook as it makes sense, but FriendFeed still solves things for me, activity or not, that no other network does.
- Jesse Stay
No Facebook for me! Back to end of the line. :)
- imabonehead
It's quiet here, no doubt about it. My feed is like a ghost town for the most part. Things have really changed over the last three or four months. Yet, many of the core people I like to interact with are still around, so I can't complain.
- Laura Norvig
My Home feed barely moves nowadays.
- imabonehead
It's been quite the past few days... but then again so has Facebook and Twitter
- Johnny Worthington
I have noticed also that there feeds that are rich in social media talk and tech have been getting a lot less play. Could be that people have other things on their mind
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, it seems many of them have moved to other places like Twitter.
- imabonehead
To be expected... The early adopter wave has broken over the shore and now it's people having a swim, riding the back of the wave down...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
What does that mean?
- Mona Nomura
I still can't believe those people think Twitter is a better tool for conversations. Nothing changed functionally with FF yet. Just who owns it.
- Spidra Webster
There are more people on Twitter - I can have simultaneous conversations. Since they changed the @ reply, where you only see @s of people you are following makes the experience a trillion times better. I LOVE Twitter and have made TONS of great friends on there! The network is so tight over there, it's neat how once you meet/connect in person, the bond is stronger :)
- Mona Nomura
I hate having my stream polluted with @s. I want threaded conversations not reliant on 140 characters - Twitter is for initiating the conversation right now. It's too hard to carry a real conversation over there. (and yes, I use Twitter, too)
- Jesse Stay
Mona. What about conversations involving more than 2 people?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I have those all the time, you @reply? And / or cc
- Mona Nomura
Bah, I can't have a convo on twitter. Replies fall all over each other, there's no threading and no direction. As I've said, it's like a collection of clunky SMS messages. Real time does it right, that is FF and chat programs, hell, even Google Wave. Twitter? Nope.
- Mo Kargas
To each their own but I love Twitter - mainly because of the people :)
- Mona Nomura
I love Twitter, too, just for different reasons.
- Jesse Stay
I like twitter due to the amount of active users, but not because of its dismal conversation abilities.
- Mo Kargas
Mona, cc is an interesting idea... Pity it takes away from the content. 140 characters - 3 people's @reply doesn't leave a lot.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I've been absolutely loving what you have been sharing lately Jesse, recently moved you to a position on "my board by feed" in a private Friendfeed Group.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
I used to worry about my timeline polluted with @s but once I got over that insecurity, I am addicted. Plus it's SO ultra convenient. I also love how there are so many different communities that are intersected but not.
- Mona Nomura
Thanks Deano! I'll try to keep it up.
- Jesse Stay
<140 is what makes it so great. Cuts the crap out.
- Mona Nomura
I like Twitter, it just doesn't work for me. I'm here for the people then the tools. Size of community means little when quality trumps quantity.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Mona, how does that measure in conversion though? @s vs. no @s, 140 characters vs. non?
- Jesse Stay
@Mona Nah, enables more crap. I reckon less characters leads to a dumbing down of everything. It would be a dismal life if all conversations were in 140 character chunks
- Mo Kargas
I use Twitter as well, as anyone who's subbed to me here can see. But I mostly reserve it for communicating with people who aren't already on FF.
- Spidra Webster
Again, to each their own. <140 is enough for me. Gets to the point quicker.
- Mona Nomura
@Spidra I use it as a megaphone, which is what it is. A collection of broadcasts at each other and little else
- Mo Kargas
Mo, yup, it's a "microblog" - that's what it was built to be. There is no comment structure built in (yet).
- Jesse Stay
Just like your blog, it's where you start the conversation. Unfortunately you have to take it elsewhere to make that conversation engaging and have maximum conversion.
- Jesse Stay
How is that unfortunate? If anything, it should be a motivating factor TO blog. I've seen MANY blog pieces written from convos generated on Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, it's unfortunate because I can't organize that conversation the way I do my blog. Each comment is its own individual blog post - it's distracting and breaks up the flow.
- Jesse Stay
@Mo Yeah, that's mostly it. Although I have short bursts of conversation with fans of The Guild and other folks.
- Spidra Webster
Mona, I have seem many blog posts generated by discussions here, Facebook and even around the watercooler as well. The content means more than the delivery system. Twitter works for you, I wish I could master it... But I have a hard time believing that Twitter is the killer service the mainstream hype builds it to be. Yahoo bought Geocities for 3.6 billion back in the day.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
47 comments ain't bad for a post late at night. I'm just saying.
- Spidra Webster
47 comments from 5 or more people in the one spot is cool too
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Again, to each their own. I also like how there are many communities on Twitter and I can choose which convos to participate in. Here, it's more like a...family? All the same people all the time.
- Mona Nomura
In the main feed, maybe. The rooms are where you find new people, saved searches too. It's all who you sub to... No matter where you are
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Ok, Johnny.
- Mona Nomura
*shrug* I'm getting more likes and comments these days and I have a private feed.
- Rodfather
What, is my fanboi showing? Just telling how 'each to their own' works for me :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
*tire screech* Sorry, folks. I was coding, so I'm an hour late to the thread. Actually a bit more because my ISP dropped me just before I hit the comment button. So, hey, Jesse, sorry I haven't been noisy enough in your threads ;)
- Micah Wittman
i moved to plurk
- Allen Stern
There we go Micah! That's what I'm talking about! :-)
- Jesse Stay
/blocks Allen :-P
- Jesse Stay
jesse at least i didnt say social medium
- Allen Stern
Allen, lol - yeah, they have cool shirts though :-)
- Jesse Stay
Kozmo had cool shirts too
- Allen Stern
I've never seen Kozmo's shirts
- Jesse Stay
That's probably why they weren't bought and went out of business
- Jesse Stay
i wonder if there is a correlation "tshirts = acquisition"
- Allen Stern
goodnight everyone - be well, update often and remember in life, there are those that tweet and those who wish they were tweeting.
- Allen Stern
Allen, there is - FriendFeed was acquired weeks after I got one of their shirts. Social Median was acquired weeks after I got one of their shirts. I'm a good-luck charm. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Good night Allen
- Jesse Stay
This conversation has happened over and over - it's at a pianissimo intensity right now, which isn't too rattling. Mona, you're an all-terrain social networker - you work the FB, the FF and the TWTR with equal comfort. I'm happy for you and I will let you finish :) Johnny puts it how pretty much how I feel personally about the landscape. Jesse, the feeds are down volumetrically (in N....
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- Micah Wittman
well then i better get you a cloudcontacts shirt!!
- Allen Stern
Allen, I would love that!
- Jesse Stay
Whoa kozmo the delivery service? I loved them. I used to have sandwiches and smokes delivered all the time.
- Rodfather
I just looked at some blog stats for a couple of "big fish" on Compete.com today, and it looked like most of the internet is experiencing some sort of engagement drop-off (even TechCrunch's and Mashable's numbers are down a bit...). I can only speculate that this is some sort of general burn-out toward the end of an intense, helter-skelter year that passed by faster than the mind could comprehend...Social Media exhaustion? "All your brain cycles are belong to us..." :)
- Alex Schleber
Also, last year we were in the middle of the US elections. I wonder if a November Dip happens on the off election years...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, in news that's generally true. Novembers are usually full of either elections or hurricane news. Without either you usually have a slow season. That's what I remember from working at Media General, at least.
- Jesse Stay
Well I know I am busy at work and getting things ready for te end of the year. I have noticed a lull across a lot of places I exist in. We also have to consider that 'mainstream' attention comes in waves. Could the shine of Ashton and Oprah on Twitter be fading and it's not a 'Oooow shiny thing' anymore?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, I think Twitter's just beginning so I doubt that.
- Jesse Stay
I have a $US1 here that says Twitter will be what Myspace is now in 2 years.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, I think the way it is set up now that's very likely - it will all depend on how they adapt. Based on past experience it doesn't look good, but they are hiring well so we'll see.
- Jesse Stay
Still here Jesse :)
- Charlie Anzman
I'm still here too, just working on some projects at the moment making my contrib. less freq.
- mikepk
Scoble's theory was in fact empirical, we(the friendfeeders) tried to counter him whenever he sid things like that. shame on us
- ffcode
I just "chipped in." :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Twitter's where most of the people I interact with are. Not here, unfortunately. I tried to get some people over here for the better part of a few months, but then they got bought by facebook, and forget about getting anybody new over here now...
- Bill Kinney
Looking back over your posts for the last 24 hours was kind of heavy on Facebook and Twitter stuff which probably isn't going to garner much in the way of likes or comments on FF. Some stuff on shuttle launches, but those are kind of routine. Outside of JPL and the great observatories, NASA has managed to make the space program boring.
- Ed Millard
I find that it is a bit harder to generate the conversation over here than it used to be, but it is still there. And there are still lots of great people on here so it remains a worthwhile place in my mind.
- Martha
Twitter? I'm like... I'd do Twitter... yeah, an account for FriendFeed for sure, but...
- David Feng
I guess it's not you. I get the same....i wish Scoble was active on FF like before even if he was so wrong about FF. Or i wish he still believed that he was right.
- Junal Rahman
Jesse's original question assumes he was interesting at some point.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
Dear Hollywood: There are no palm trees on Manhattan's upper west side. Thank you.
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Okay, I know I'm picky sometimes, but this kind of thing always makes me crazy.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from email
OK, now I'm seriously looking for a new place.
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Good luck, where are you looking for a place?
- Kol Tregaskes
probably around tel-aviv. will see..
- Orli Yakuel
http://twitpic.com/ozs0d - Horse shit
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hahahaaa
- Semih Masat ™
ahhahaha At da bir hoş olmuş ortalarda biryerde :D
- Acharad Sami vanJoulee
yok artık lebron james
- ucanpastirma
ahah süpermiş :))
- ugurCekmez
ne işi var ki orda )))))
- errorist
she's the only one who didnt see that coming
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
sanki daha başka bişi yapacakmışş gibiydii ama :D:D
- Scylla
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- Doritos değil Panço
Isaac Asimov's The Foundation Trilogy (Foundations, Foundation and Empire, Second Foundation) as adapted by the BBC in 1973, in eight one hour long episodes, part of the Open Source Audio collection on Archive.org (free to download and/or stream) | Internet Archive - http://www.archive.org/details...
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I am greatly enjoying this :)
- Michael W. May
Awesome, can't wait to see this, or hear it - as the case may be -
- Chris Loft
OooooOoOOOOOOOOOOoOOOoo!!!!!!!!! I think I just died a little.
- mjc
Holy crap.....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Read this when I was a kid. Love to think of all the tech that Asimov thought of that's actually come to pass...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well acted radio play, the abridgement/adaptation is also very well done through the first one and a half episodes.
- Michael W. May
@MWM why just the first one and a half? does it get crappy after that or is that just how far you are into it?
- Louis Simoneau
OMG, I had no idea this existed... Foundation trilogy still tops on my SF list. Will definitely check these out.
- Adrian
I only discovered it an hour and a half ago ;)
- Michael W. May
Download 'em quick. I'm willing to bet the BBC doesn't know someone uploaded them there. The BBC is pretty aggressive about copyright and region restriction.
- Spidra Webster
I'm really digging the sound effects. The acting is properly stiff. I approve.
- Adrian
@Spidra I doubt it: "This audio is part of the collection: Open Source Audio"
- Adrian
These have been online for years, I'm sure the BBC knows they're up. Most public libraries even have them.
- Admiral Anika
I will enjoy making my spouse listen to this ;)
- Andrew Roche
I'm through 5 and a half and it is making me quite certain I will be reading the trilogy yet again in the coming days.
- Michael W. May
awesome!
- Robert Higgins
Thinking about taking 2 steps back in order to move forward in a new direction with this whole job thing. Whatcha mean, you ask? Well, back in the way back (at least in internet years) I worked for a non-profit. Have found a job in the non-profit sector that I think, with some resume reworking and an interview, I could get and do well with.
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None of this sounds like anything really spectacular I know, but with it being a non-profit odds are the pay won't be near what I was making before. The upside is that it would be an organization I'm familiar with and support, whereas before the software I was making was used for something I didn't support (offshoring).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No real point to all this, I suppose. Just me thinking out loud.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'll join you in your thoughts. I've never worked for a non-profit, but I've interviewed with them before, and there's always the chance that the non-profit could take advantage of its non-profit status and pay you less than it could afford to pay. But other than that, it sounds like a plan, especially if you'd agree more with what the non-profit does than what a for-profit would do.
- John E. Bredehoft
Yes, the pay issue I've experienced first hand the last time I worked for a non-profit. With that said, this is an organization that's large enough to offer career growth, whereas the last was a local organization filled with 'lifers': I wasn't going to go anywhere even if I'd stayed on. Mainly, in a perfect world I want to work for a company I respect doing a job I'm good at that *fingers crossed* will last me more than 3 years without a layoff or shutdown.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I was offered a full-time position this week working for a non-profit (out of nowhere, I didn't apply for it). $25k a year for M-F, 8-5, and 9-12 on Saturday. Also, no benefits. It was a difficult decision, but I turned them down. ;-) Hope yours is a better offer. Non-profit jobs can be very rewarding.
- Trish R
be careful, Im 2 years into that situation and its tricky. Working in IT for a long time, you adopt a certain professionalism without realizing it. You take for granted that certain things are understood, and that is not always the case. I did it, I'd do it again, but did not realize what I was in for. Think it through, your call, good luck
- echostreamer
lol I probably would have killed to make $25k when I worked at a non-profit.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
This particular opening isn't a tech position though it does require a certain amount of tech skills. The biggest issue I had the last time I went through the non-profit wringer was being taken for granted. I was responsible for staffing the local crisis line and if someone didn't show up and no replacements were found, guess who took the shift... Not that I minded being on the lines, but a human can only work so many 36 hour days before it catches up with her.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
There's no such thing as "taking a step back"!
- Paul Reynolds
Hmmm... Are you saying there's no such thing as in the sense of "There IS no spoon!" or in the sense of "NOOOOOoooooooooooo don't do it!!!"
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
any action is a step forward, if you don't take it, you're standing still and sometimes that's the best place to be. ethically, working for a nonprofit could be a step forward not back. all depends on your perspective.
- echostreamer
Tina, if you scope out a non-profit that uses The Raiser's Edge fundraising software, and you need a 'crash course' - you let me know :)
- Micah Wittman
Tina, I am glad to be working for a non-profit. It's an extremely peaceful atmosphere. And I feel my work there is worthwhile. And yes, it was a total departure for me. For me, it was God grabbing me and getting my attention from what appeared to be a very bright academic future in one direction and turning me around to where people are really benefiting from what I learned to do, instead of me benefiting from it. I would never want to go back.
- Melanie Reed
I took an 80% pay cut (!!) to be happy and move back to Myrtle Beach. There were no prospects of building on my 7 year experience in video games. I have never once regretted it. There is no spoon.
- Paul Reynolds
from BuddyFeed
Paul, that's what I thought you meant but it never hurts to double check =D I'm surprised I didn't know so many FFers are or were in the non-profit sector. I might have to throw up the bat signal to you all if I have questions during this process!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Doing work you respect and having the opportunity for growth are pluses that are hard to calculate into the salary and benefits package but they do contribute to your sense of wellbeing. Go for it and best wishes, Tina.
- Polly Potter
Polly, your first sentence is *exactly* what I was trying to express earlier in this thread. Thank you =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The Matrix: Installing Linux #unseenprequels
Liviu Barbat, Louis Gray, joey and 8 other people liked this
Living Comic Book Costume! Speechless. (Roy Lichtenstein)
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Orçun Çokdiker, JazJaz, volkan.vardareli and 184 other people liked this
ohe.
- Tugce Cengiz
Cızzt.
- Burak Demiral
ha tamam.
- Ezgi Genç
çizgi romanlardaki gibi :/
- Parfe
Daha çok popart (Roy Lichtenstein) posterlerinin canlandırması :)
- sunipeyk
kızılcık mı geçirmiş bu :)
- ''sewimsizbilgin''
Aynen öyle sunipeyk. Çok iyi etmişler
- Tugce Cengiz
So. Damn. Cool.
- Spidra Webster
Very cool!
- Kol Tregaskes
Halftone costume. That is awesome.
- Josh Haley
That's a really cool idea.
- Jordan Hofker
meh.. I want to see the final photos. Tha'd be cool. Kind of like Alice in Wonderland.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
You too can be a Roy Lichtenstein painting!
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis :))
- Tugce Cengiz
korkunç
- Ayhan A. Birlik (AAB)
korkunç mu?
- Tugce Cengiz
evet, ben bukarakterle karşılaşırsam korkarım...
- Ayhan A. Birlik (AAB)
yapanla karşılaşırsan tebrik etmeni değiştirmez ama sanırım :)
- Tugce Cengiz
muhakkak ki değiştirmez :)
- Ayhan A. Birlik (AAB)
bayııııl
- davsanlik
Bu çalışmanın neden ve kim tarafından yapıldığını öğrenebileceğimiz bir link olsaymış.
- Can Eğridere "Jegraphy"
merak ne güzel şey, güzel şey merak ;) MAC'in makyözlerinden biri yapmış..Maalesef kendisini yaptığı şeyden daha değerli bulup belirtmemişler ismini.
- Tugce Cengiz
harikaaaa
- mahir
yuh, süper..
- Aylin
Bizde de Ebru Gündeş'in makyözü var işte çok konuşulan..
- Tugce Cengiz
Bende makyöj olmak istiyorum yaa
- morkedipatisi
olacaksan böylesi ol! :)
- Tugce Cengiz
ay inşallah :)
- morkedipatisi
hımm...estetik bi androit:) ne hoş:)
- neferteti
Wow! That's pretty neat.
- Arlan Koizumi
super ya her na postere gircekmis gibi...pop art..:)
- ELyaz
Unbelievable. Color me impressed!
- Fossil Huntress
Fantastic ! I wana try this with a Picasso !
- Desirade
I wonder about the results of "Dali" version....
- Olcayto Cengiz
Oh, and while I was waiting I decided to make some ridiculous faces at Ben and apparently he was taking pictures. What the heck is this?
Michael W. May, Rodfather, Mona Nomura and 15 other people liked this
Looks like Cher. A young Cher. ;)
- Cristo
very cool!
- Rachel Lea Fox
A cutie patootey :)
- Mona Nomura
She started it, but it wasn't her fault. The drama unfolded like this:
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1. Aden hesitatingly posted that she felt bad about being liked for her personality and not for her looks. She touched on how people posting pictures of themselves brought out those feelings, but I read it as much more about her than about them.
- Bruce Lewis
2. Well-meaning commenters tried to make Aden feel better by saying "pretty" people have problems/insecurities of their own, and things like that.
- Bruce Lewis
3. Women who had overcome their own insecurities to post pictures of themselves took offense, mostly at the commenters, but also to Aden.
- Bruce Lewis
4. The last comment I saw from Aden was "I wish I never posted this."
- Bruce Lewis
The people at each stage didn't anticipate the next stage. Everybody meant well.
- Bruce Lewis
I really appreciate the summary.
- Victor Ganata
Sometimes the road to hell truly is paved with good intentions
- Mo Kargas
Thank you for the clear summary. I'm saddened by the whole thing.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
True, Mo. We're only human.
- Bruce Lewis
Appreciate the summary, but I'm still like WTF
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
That really sums it up well, Bruce.
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
Thank you, Bruce. We hope you come back, Aden.
- Micah Wittman
That's not how I saw it happening but everybody has their own interpretation I guess.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I'm not sure that I agree that people took offense with what Aden posted though I will readily admit that I may have missed some posts. To my knowledge there was only one post as a response to the comments posted on Aden's thread and that post in no way was intended to diminish Aden's feelings. I'm sad that she is having a hard time and I hope the time away helps.
- pea
Thanks for the summary, Bruce. My two cents is people can get bent out of shape because they think the person is talking about them, when they aren't and they get all huffy over it. It's tough online to distinguish who someone is talking about or if they are just talking about general things. I have done that before and got into flame wars over stupid things because of what someone...
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- Mol, Santa Claws
Lindsey - I'm curious. How does your interpretation of the narrative differ?
- Katy S
I agree with Lindsey. I think it's interesting how so many of us saw the same text but understood it and interpreted in different ways. I'm sure there's some psychological or sociological commentary in there somewhere.
- Rochelle
I kind of saw it like Bruce but I think I missed a bunch.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Well I wouldn't say she "hesitatingly" posted it. She out and out said it. There wasn't a lot of feet shuffling going on there. And the narrative omits her anger at pretty people, that they suck and they should just get bent. Those aren't just idle thoughts of pity for your own situation. That hatred is directed at a specific kind of person. The summary also omits the assumptions made...
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- Lindsey is Fierce!
ok, yeah when I read it I pretty much knew who she was talking about, in a general sense. It was kind of mean spirited and I think that kind of thing is best in your private offline journal. That would be like if I posted, Oh I hate people who draw better than me and they draw on their FF every day and everyone comments and loves them but when I post something no one likes it woe is me. Everyone would know then who I hate.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
And I felt like she HAD to know it was going to cause some drama because the person would see it and be hurt. I meant I saw it chronologically like stated in the post but felt like I was missing something else that happened because some people just seemed to shocked about the reactions and I was like, well duh.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
very sad, but not the first time she'd nuked her account over something like this (I believe this is time #3). She'll be back, as she has been in the past, and it'll all be hunky dory. Rinse, repeat.
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
I think the "hesitatingly" part comes from a post she'd made earlier in the day about being not sure if she wanted to post something or not. Several folks encouraged her to post whatever was on her mind and get it off her chest.
- Alix Whitmire
I must have missed that post Alix but my interpretation of a move like that is: She knew it was inappropriate to post that so she was seeking a green light to post it by giving vague details so that the end result would not have been her fault.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Ok - I can see/understand both readings of the situation. I think it was the English teacher in me, in part, that was curious about the differences. I had seen the early post and comments, but ultimately I don't know her and haven't had much interaction with her, so I feel somewhat distant from the whole thing.
- Katy S
Andrea, that's interestiing, I did not take her post as being about a specific person at all. And she quite specifically said that she knew it was ridiculous to feel angry towards "pretty people", and she hated herself for feeling it. It was a complex emotion that I totally understood. I can't believe it all came down the way it did. Oh well.
- Laura Norvig
I thought the people in her thread were VERY nice to her, but I'm sorry, she had to know that saying that everyone who is prettier than her and got more attention ON THE INTERNET FROM STRANGERS than her could "Get bent" was going to get some negative responses. I think lots of people occasionally feel insecure but the answer to that is not to try to make other people feel shitty as...
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- Andrizzle Gizzle
I also thought Aden was really popular (way moreso than me) and it sucks she felt the need to delete her account, but you can't just walk into a crowded room and yell out what she posted. That's shit you save for your therapist.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I didn't take it as strongly as Lindsey. What I saw go down was 1/2way between how Bruce saw it and Lindsey saw it. But let's be honest. The myspace photo syndrome is alive and well on FriendFeed and always has been. There are ways to avoid it- don't subscribe, and hide- and I do those liberally.
- anna sauce
What is the myspace photo syndrome?
- anna sauce
It's that overhead, cute angle of big eyes and cleavage, that all myspace girls age 13-17 do, loneygirl-esque
- anna sauce
apparently the overhead angle hides a double-chin and accentuates cleavage. as if i needed my man boobs accentuated!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Joe, a subtle one does, but doesn't require cleavage.
- anna sauce
I actually don't see a lot of those types of photos
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I'm pretty vigilant about hiding them- they're not meant for me anyways- Lindsey you only follow 100 people, a 10th of those who subscribe to you. I subscribe to about 90% of my subscribers.
- anna sauce
I've also noticed that the myspace-photo-syndrome is a phase. And I've seen women go through it. They like the attention, it entertains them, then for some reason they stop after a while. Someone skeazy comments? They get tired of the photos? Not sure.
- anna sauce
i tend to just do the 3/4 view and be done with it.
- Joe Silence is not dead
*checks own photos for MySpace symptoms* >.>
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- Okan Vardarova
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Lovely!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Love these!
- Anne Bouey
Beautiful set...love them!
- Emma
:-))
- Anna Haro
there's a pumpkin shortage. So if you need something scary for your porch, just get home delivery of the new york times.
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- Live4Emma (L4S)
Shared: http://friendfeed.com/ivanfil...
- Iván Abrego
...these are effin' brilliant! Great eye...
- JA Castillo
thanks for the shares and thanks JA! :-)
- Live4Emma (L4S)
These are really nice illustrations and I especially love the My Fair Lady one...great find honey! Added to my list of illustrators... :* <333
- Emma
oh wow! thank you baby!!! :* thought you might enjoy them and so glad the illustrator made that much of an impression on you! <333
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Awesome.
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hahahaha
- MG Siegler
haha
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I've been having fun watching the Facebook employees do that today as well - lol
- Jesse Stay
Is there a group "I Just plain hate Facebook"? I'd like to join.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scary thing is I think a lot of people are actually taking that group seriously.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Hhahhahaha!!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
LOL at Mark Zuckerberg joining. That's hilarious.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
laugh out loud.
- Micah Wittman
LOL!! Yes they are, Tony - that makes it so much better. :->
- Kurt Starnes
It's killing me - check it out :-> http://www.facebook.com/search...
- Kurt Starnes
I just love how some people have joined, completely ignoring the description of the group and showing the type of people they really are. I don't *love* the changes, but I will get used to them and someday soon I will not even remember the old way it was done. Change is good... long live change!
- Travis Koger
hahha that is too funny!! :D
- Susan Beebe
Classy!
- Tyson Key
ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
I HATE THE NEW FACEBOOK HOME PAGE, UNTIL ITS NEXT FACELIFT, AFTER WHICH I WILL BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PERFECT THIS LAYOUT WAS.
- Rebecca Sun
Yes, Rebecca, exactly. :)
- Dan Hsiao
just joined
- johnpiercy
Touché Facebook Employees, Touché.
- Navarr
ahahahaha:D
- beybinesen
Try http://lite.facebook.com/opozo, the simple the better, but not simpler.
- Orlando Pozo
Facebook's Achilles' heel will be the historical bias toward "people you know" versus "people you find interesting."
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Not true. The new default home feed has a LOT of relevance built-in
- LANjackal
We'll see. The people who read that comment here on FriendFeed or on Twitter are people who are explicitly interested in hearing me say such things, else they'd unsubscribe. Whereas the history of Facebook is to only * symmetrically* friend people you know in real life. The vast majority of the people I went to elementary school with and am now "friends" with on Facebook do not care about, and probably are genuinely bored by, my notes about computer science and technology and the like.
- DeWitt Clinton
up until recently Facebook was for my "real" friends and FriendFeed/Twitter/et.al was where I discovered and followed my co-working/tech friends
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah but is that really an Achilles heel? That's like saying a 911's weakness is that it can't tow your boat. It was never intended to tow your boat in the first place. Facebook will always rule when it comes to social life, but it won't ever hold a candle to FriendFeed for tech discussion
- LANjackal
from IM
DeWitt, yeah but you can hide people from you news feed in facebook... so all those elementary 'friends' who don't care for you anymore will hide you if they really don't like your updates (or maybe even un-friend you)
- Chris Heath
Facebook is about people you used to know. FriendFeed is about people you actually want to know.
- Louis Gray
@Chris - true, but interesting to note that I have an order of magnitude difference in the number of "followers" between my asymmetric networks like FF, Twitter, or my blog, than I do on the symmetric network of Facebook. You're reading this here, aren't you? Why is that?
- DeWitt Clinton
+1 Louis
- DeWitt Clinton
"The people who read that comment here on FriendFeed or on Twitter are people who are explicitly interested in hearing me say such things, else they'd unsubscribe." Oh my. "...the people I went to elementary school with and am now "friends" with on Facebook do not care about, and probably are genuinely bored by, my notes about computer science" Sounds like you're looking for a social...
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- Bill de hÓra
"Facebook is about people you used to know. FriendFeed is about people you actually want to know." Louis - wrong. FB is about people you know now and used to know then. Friendfeed is about people you respect and want to hear. I'm guessing you're over 25 and so have a lineage of people you used to know.
- Bill de hÓra
@Bill - I've yet to see a groups implementation that I understand, let alone one that the proverbial everyman would understand. People treat whole social networks as groups, ACLs and all. Facebook was certainly built that way (the "people you know"), hence the challenge present in overcoming that legacy.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, I came to that same conclusion yesterday. I'm in full agreement.
- Andy Bakun
DeWitt, I'm following you here because it allows the asymetric relationship (do you have a facebook fan page?) but I found you via FoaF
- Chris Heath
from iPhone
I wonder if Facebook's "people you (used to) know" with FriendFeed's "people you may want to know"?
- Nenad Nikolic
Keep in mind that Facebook doesn't care much whether it alienates its existing user base. They can change radically. Look for a much more FriendFeed-like feature set in 2011.
- Bruce Lewis
"I've yet to see a groups implementation that I understand" LOL - @DeWitt, exactly right. Anyone who gets something usable together for "social context" is going to make things better for people.
- Bill de hÓra
bear: did you make any changes to privacy (in either direction) when you added the work/tech people? I've been trying to figure out how Facebook might work for me (ducking from LANjackal). I've never used Facebook (ducking again) so I don't even know what fan pages are.
- metalerik
Fan pages on facebook are just public pages that allow asymmetric following, and don't require approval (there's other stuff too, but that's the basics)
- Chris Heath
unbeatable awesomeness... The Tricycling Mushroom Head Monster!! I haven't read a book of any kind in 8 years but if I'm ever picking that habit back I'm gonna start with this one...
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In French I'd call it: Le awesome Extraordinaire! Where do you find these?
- directeur
マタンゴ！
- mMakino
@mMakino これはですか http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...?
- directeur
Liking simply because that image and the name are awesome.
- Kamilah Gill
@directeur そのとおり。 that's it !! but i didn't know the tricycle!! great image :)
- mMakino
@mMakino, yes it really is! :)
- directeur
directeur, remember how I was talking about Mangal Pandey (lol!), I was telling her about how we were attacked by a mushroom monster(she believed that!! lol!) and dug this image up to show her how the monster looked :D
- vijay
Yeah, I remember that, mister Mangal Pandey with sunglasses! :D
- directeur
Slashdot Technology Story | When Software Leaks (And What Really Goes Down) - https://www.iterasi.net/public...
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Microsoft's Still Toast - http://www.businessinsider.com/microso...
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agreed
- winckel
from Bookmarklet
A better title for the article is "Wishful thinking"
- Mo Kargas
Some day, maybe.. but probably not in our lifetimes.
- Jemm
Oh noes!
- Adi
Difficult to predict the future, Jemm, but despite their super cashflow, Microsoft seem to have been behind in search and had poor phone software forever, scarcely register in the MP3 market, still don't have a best of breed browser and so really only have an average to good games machine and their strong desktop franchise which relies primarily on a small number (relatively) of corporate buyers. I wonder if Redmond's apparent dominance isn't in fact quite brittle - we'll just have to see how this plays out
- winckel
But those are just some weak points (I also disagree about Xbox 360, which is really good). Microsoft is also strong on server-side with many solid products, very cool updates are coming to (already good) developer tools, platforms and Office. Windows 7 will win back many that have switched and who will switch back.
- Jemm
from fftogo
why u think Microsoft is loosing ? just answer one question, can apple build a OS for these variety of hardware in the market like Microsoft ?
- Farshad
Farshad. I don't think they want to. The power for Apple is in the experience. Only develop for what you are prepared to support. It's all about the Genius Bar.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
As long as MS can build a cheaper OS than Apple and not lose too much ground to Linux, it will be premature to call them toast.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I've also heard that FriendFeed's dead.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jemm, Mcrosoft's servers don't scale well, still. Linux and other unix variants pretty much dominate big hardware. This is important - big hardware today will be average hardware soon. Their primary market for servers is basically to file servers and domain controllers, which is hardly rocket science and won't matter anywhere near as much in the future. Also, office is a steaming pile...
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- mjc
from iPhone
@Farshad PCs are dependant on hardware vendors' cut-rate programmers to write compitent, closed-source drivers. PCs are slowly merging toward a set of standard components the same way Apple has been doing, for this reason. Intel CPU, Intel chipset, intel graphics, intel storage, intel nic. Cuts costs and means there are GOOD programmers writing the drivers and GOOD QA. Variety is a good thing only if the people designing the hardware&drivers are held responsible for their shitty code.
- mjc
from iPhone
@mjc: The servers scale well (depending on the software, of course) and what's in the middle (majority of the buying customers) has always been Microsoft's primary area. 2007 has much better UI (the ribbon/fluent) that make features easier to discoverable and 2010 fixes most of the complaints (customization ofetc). It's true, that average people need about 10% of the features the Office...
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- Jemm
@jemm when's the last time you saw a 512+ core Windows box that performs as well as Linux or (Open)Solaris in CPU-intensive tasks, let alone other types of tasks.. The ribbon hides many tasks that people need behind four or five clicks instead of just two or three in the old interface, and most people I know, even new users struggle to find things. DM me if you want me to find this...
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- mjc
from iPhone
Like I said, they focus on more realistic markets, not some marginal >500 core -markets. No point trying to squeeze everything from there, but focus instead on the more practical market area. Linux is good for those sort of things, but bigger markets are elsewhere. I've read enough about ribbon shortcomings to be aware of them. Some features require more effort, but more things are...
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- Jemm
@mjc you're totally ignoring that a massive amount of SME's use windows server products for everything from domain controllers, mail servers to proxy servers, SQL database servers, data backup servers, web servers, application servers, terminal servers... the use they get in this market is immense, windows HPC versions are far and few between, but the numbers of standard, enterprise and...
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- alphaxion
@alphaxion I didn't ignore it, I made mention. 512 core isn't HPC, we will have that on desktops soon-ish, look at Intel's roadmaps - those problems that seem remote are really not... I have been trying to discuss the areas in which MS is having the most trouble, rather than trying to conjecture that they are losing out in their majority marketshares... Debating about battles they've...
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- mjc
from iPhone
oh I agree that office 2007 was a UI abortion. For the desktop, your argument is disingenuous when you consider most applications (never mind desktop OS's) don't make great use of 2 cores, especially when you consider we've had SMP systems for as long as I've been in the IT industry. Then translate that into average desktop user requirements and you realise most of them don't take...
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- alphaxion
Usually the happy majority is the quiet and those who complain are the ones that stand out. The "gallery" of the ribbon is when you select a format/theme/symbol etc and see visually all the options. Live preview shows the results while hovering over the choice. It's so intuitive that most people don't consider it as a feature. They just didn't exist before ribbon in traditional toolbars...
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- Jemm
Microsoft is behind in search because they, for some reason, feel they need to be in the search engine business. I never understood Microsoft's focus on building a search engine no one is going to use.
- Andy Bakun
That's a *really* weird portrait. Whassup with his fingers? And who's the photographer? yikes!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Did you know that the OS X System PubSub.framework mentions FOAF? Apple has got social up its sleeve, I just can't piece it together yet...
Jamie, Liviu Barbat, Atul Arora and 5 other people liked this
Seriously??
- Roberto Bonini
What if it were PubSubHubbub.framework? :)
- Louis Gray
Indeed... someday! ;)
- Chris Messina
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