Congratulations! "We are happy to announce that AppJet Inc. has been acquired by Google. The EtherPad team will continue its work on realtime collaboration by joining the Google Wave team."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Even Wave's playback needs some Etherpad's time-slider sauce.
- Jérôme Flipo
if Google works as fast trying to figure out what to do with Etherpad as they did for Jotspot or Jaiku, just to name a few, one can say goodbye to Etherpad and stop using it. This is bad news actually.
- lelapin
SO this is like FF - another talent grab - Google's acquiring more smart talent
- Susan Beebe
I hope Google announces some way for us to create new pads, my online learning classroom will not be the same without etherpad :-(
- Shakeel Mahate
Oh noes! I'm with Shakeel...I need EtherPad for my high school Digital Media students. It's one of the few collaboration sites that isn't blocked at the district level.
- Shea
Shutting down etherpad is a travesty. Fucking Google, keep it open.
- Mitch
I had a feeling this would happen... Etherpad is basically a simplified proto-wave.
- Lindsay
I loved etherpad. Simple and great for code sharing. I don't think there is any other web service like etherpad out there. It will be missed.
- vivekian
During one of my phone screens, I was so frustrated with writely that I switched to etherpad.
- Piaw Na
Google MUST keep Etherpad open after March 31st. I fear that this will be the new JotSpot, and there's no simple alternative around.
- Jorge Martins Rosa
Adding new application interfaces like the EtherPad is the right next step for Wave. They need to move beyond the current Wave app interface towards multi-application document interoperability. Otherwise they will end up being categorized as just a really confusing chat services.
- David Lounsbury
Yet another example of why you shouldn't use the cloud for anything remotely important.
- Gabe
In abstract I would agree with you but there are previous examples, in the past, when Google acquired start-ups and literally did nothing with them. The ideal situation would have been acquiring Etherpad before Wave was created let alone released and build something with it as basis. Now what do you think is going to happen? Best scenario would be Etherpad's people being listened to and...
more...
- lelapin
from email
lelapin: Thing is, if they acquired Etherpad before Wave was created, Etherpad probably would have cost more to acquire. I'd say the long term potential of Wave having similar functionality, and more, devalued Etherpads product. In announcing that they will open source Etherpad, Google seems to be acknowledging this. Seems like a good outcome for everyone, Etherpad employees, Google and their users.
- Andrew Perry
Andrew: I'm just glad Etherpad (probably following the outcry that their earlier post provoked) made public pads possible again and is to be released as open source for anybody to grab the code and create something out of it. I'm not the slightest concerned about the price at which Etherpad would have been acquired had not Wave existed, it's Google we're talking about here.
- lelapin
Heavy pc and crt, ok, but the subwoofer too? You know how heavy those things are? This would work in space maybe.
- Josh Haley
And I wonder where it's getting powered from. Is there an extension cord behind him, or maybe he's got a generator attached to his feet?
- Costa Walcott
But which way would it point? Or should there be two, one aimed at his face, and one on the visor of his hat, to see what he can see?
- Ladybug Heather
It's a 'Trojan Horse'!! The hollowed out tower contains 8 Macbook Airs, 25 iPhones, a G1™[product placement by Google] and a handful of Newtons - just waiting to be deployed!
- Micah Wittman
There is a distinct lack of cup holder.
- Rochelle
True... where does the Mountain Dew go? Or coffee or Jolt Cola or whatever caffeinated substance he drinks?
- Ladybug Heather
Rochelle: thats what the CD Drive tray is for.
- Roberto Bonini
One of my first 'real' office jobs was as an assistant for the sales and marketing team for a backup software company. I tried to get business cards with the job title "S&M assistant".
- Kevin Fox
"Apple's mythical tablet, the Crunchpad, and other keyboardless computers have one thing in common: Nobody wants them." http://news.cnet.com/8301-19...
I remember when Palm announced the Foleo, the tech press all immediately laughed and collectively sighed "Who would want an underpowered little 9" laptop that doesn't run a full-blow desktop OS" Turns out, well, lots of folks seem to. I don't think the press generally has a very good track record predicting what new form factors will/won't be popular... do they?
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like the mistake they're making this time around is thinking one of these new "tablets" and laptop are mutually exclusive devices. Just because I want a screen-only device for browsing in the living room or on the train doesn't mean I don't also want a full blown laptop for work.
- Ken Sheppardson
Assuming Apple are about to release a tablet. They will be clearly aware of the form factor's limitations and will have designed them out in some way or other. If they cannot produce a designed solution the Apple tablet will not be a reality
- Mel Buckpitt
Mythical Apple tablets - They definitely wont be wanted at the kind of price currently being suggested, in case we didn't know about price vs demand
- Geer
Yup, 2.0. It was all downhill from there. For some reason that's still the fastest C compiler I've ever used, even though it was running on a 25 MHz 386.
- Paul Buchheit
Wow this is close to when I got Turbo C++ 1.0, maybe? ~1992.
- Michael Herf
In 1989 I was entrusted with the first Mac-port of MicroEmacs 3.9e source code (compiled with Aztec C) by a guy who just got hired by Microsoft, and later rose to become one of their division managers (Hi Earle!). It fit on a floppy, but was a dog to download at 1200 baud.
- ianf ⌘
Paul, do you ever throw stuff away? :-)
- Todd Hoff
I have the very same disks. I was recently reminiscing about them and my inability to throw away tech detritus on SuperUser (http://superuser.com/questio...).
- Tom Horn
Turbo C 2.0 was pretty much the pinnacle of C compiler speed. Everything from then on was slower because they keep on adding features. The whole Turbo C is probably smaller than a typical C++ STL Hello World program.
- Gabe
Did ya play it till your fingers bled? :)
- Patrick Jordan
It was `95 for me, my friend gave me Borland C++ 5.5 and the "Problem Solving and Abstraction in C++" book
- Cornelius Toole
I bought Modula-2 for the Amiga in the late 80's and had no clue what I was doing.
- Rodfather
I had a somewhat irrational dislike of C back then. So I did Pascal.
- Wirehead
I stuck with BASIC variations forever... GFA Basic, AmigaBASIC, STOS, AMOS... until I bought a "Learn C Programming" book around '92. That put me off code entirely. :D
- Roger Benningfield
I remember the Turbo C debugger was the first proper IDE I used. That DOS GUI create watches on variables blew my mind. My first departure from printf debugging.
- Tom Horn
Borland may not have invented the IDE, but as far as I'm concerned they perfected it.
- Gabe
Wow, Turbo Assembler, C++ Framework!! Somewhere I've both on the original Borland box :-)
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I had the same, might still have them tucked somewhere...
- Amit Morson
KA0GQI. I never made it past Technician.
- DGentry
Ah, good old Turbo C (Turbo Pascal was good too). I'd have to disagree slightly that it was all downhill after 2.0 -- I thought it was a great product up through 3.1. But they took a serious nosedive in the 4.x period, with the switch to Windows. After that it was all Watcom for me, at least for DOS/Windows games. The tools were ugly, but they worked really well.
- Joel Webber
If I recall, those are writable, too. There's tape over the edge.
- Jesse Stay
And KC5PZP here - I'm General class, passed 13wpm back when it was required
- Jesse Stay
haha hamfest! i used to get software there all the time when i went with my dad! (he's a HAM)
- andy brudtkuhl
1995 National Field Day winners here :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Wondering if one geekdom goes with the other. Passed General class back when you had to appear in person in the NYC Fed Bldg. I was 11 .... Big guy with a cigar watched if you were cheating :) Memories. Baskind ... Why am I not surprised. Think we were separated at birth or something ... what's next??
- Charlie Anzman
I was the Rochester, NY hamfest. I was never a ham though -- we just went for the tech flea market. I always loved overhearing conversations where people referred to each other by their call sign (e.g. "I just had lunch with WA2AAB and KA0GQI"). I guess it was kind of like Twitter ;)
- Paul Buchheit
i remember turbo C. What is wrong with me.
- anna sauce
Were you part of the old RTI/Apache clique?
- anna sauce
I paid much more for ordering Turbo C 1.0 - but it was so exciting to use a real programming language.
- Oliver Bouchard
Those were good days and investment as well.
- James Stratford
'92? seriously? I was at high school running a pirate ftp site out of my dorm room (ethernet baby!) ME and a buddy were hacking up our own version of dikumud running on the schools sun "server". I don't know when I got my first C compiler, but it must have been < 1990. I remember it came on a disk in a "Teach yourself C" book. Good times.
- Joe Beda ()
Joe, this was my "first real C compiler" because I first tried to learn C by downloading some freeware C compiler from a FidoNet BBS along with a "learn C" text file (I was very cheap). The problem is that the compiler was not complete, so half the things in the "learn C" text file didn't compile. C was my first language (I never did Basic or any of that), so I was also learning to program, not just learning C. Needless to say, it was difficult.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, exactly - Ham Radio was the original "microblogging" network. Not only were we required to keep our messages short, we couldn't use a real alphabet. Imagine if Twitter were all Morse Code. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Hams!!!!! Funny, I just saw this and earlier today I posted a pic of my dad with his gear. http://ff.im/5CH8z He (and many others) is disappointed that learning morse code is no longer required.
- Katy S
BTW Paul: those aren't low-density floppies. If those are 360k, they are double-density floppies. Regular low-density floppies held either 160k or 180k depending on whether they were 8 or 9 sectors per track.
- Gabe
13 years late to the party (1969), I started using C in 1982. Started with Fortran, 6502 machine language (e.g. assembly language without the compiler), Basic, Cobol. Most of my "coding" is in Excel & HTML these days.
- Mitchell Tsai
I had those 'Turbo-C' compiler 5.25" floppies too, Paul! Aw.. souvenirs..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
My first C Compiler was Power C on the Commodore 64. http://lyonlabs.org/commodo... Now that's going back a long way. I gave up and went back to assembler. Not many people doing C on the C64 :)
- Diego Barros
Yes, Turbo-C rocked! Turbo-C++ too. And Turbo-Pascal was a revelation! (at least for me: changed my life ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
I used Turbo Pascal. My first C compiler was THINK C (on the Macintosh).
- DGentry
Back in the old Mac days (early 90s), someone coined a term for users who were resistant to upgrading to the then new System 7 operating system: “grapes in the path of the steamroller of progress” Every time I read about people complaining about the transition from SD to HD television, I’m reminded of that phrase.
- Dave Walker
The beginnings of my office supply fetish, I'm sure. Pens, pencils, folders for each class, narrow rule paper. Those were the easy days and we never knew it.
- CAJ, somewhere else
yes, I had several, and love how I kept everything in order!
- magali
I refused to get a Trapper Keeper because *everyone* had one. Instead I got the off-brand ones and would get a sticker and write "BINDER" on the spine. Yes. 5th grade me was HILARIOUS.
- Admiral Anika
Didn't have a trapper keeper. Also had a knock-off. Didn't really see what the damned diff was though..LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Anika, OMG, you're such a creative rebel! OMG OMG OMG SOOOOOOOO COOL.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Those were awesome. I probably owned like 10 while growing up.
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
One year, I found some MEGA TRAPPER KEEPER that was also some off-brand but it was twice as large, twice as nerdy, and I instantly became twice the virgin. School ruled. [crying]
- Akiva Moskovitz
I never had a Trapper Keeper. I was very picky about the way rings in notebooks looked and didn't like the Trapper Keeper rings. I always chose a plain white binder with the clear front that I could slip a sheet of paper into. I then bought several 8.5"x11" sheets of printed paper (like scrapbook paper) to slip in the front as decoration.
- Rochelle
Never got any because they were too expensive. We were po'.
- pea
I had one once, but it only lasted about 2 months. I was rough on a binder. *edited* Still am.
- ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
I remember the first Vietnamese Nerd who showed up with a D-ring binder. It was like someone discovering fire and showing it off.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've always liked these. Even today I have a bad habit of buying leather portfolios with way too many pockets.
- Rob Haas
I would get one and never use it. I'd put paper in the folders label them for each class and proceed to not use it the rest of the school year. Total waste of money but I had to have it.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Can't you just feel the vinyl separating from those brads in the spine? And smell it? And hear the velcro rip? Man that brings back memories....
- Lindsay
@Lindsay: The sound of velcro separating makes me feel uneasy.
- Brandon
Really? What started that phobia for you? I like that sound. :)
- Lindsay
The all black ones would get sold out first. Brandon - I am TOTALLY allergic to the sound of velcro, too!!
- Mona Nomura
I never had one. I've never been the most organized person. Maybe its because I never had one? *ponders*
- Derrick
I wanted one of those so bad. I don't think I ever did get one.
- Trish Haley
@Lindsay: I don't know when it started to happen, but now I don't feel alone bc Mona feels the same.
- Brandon
I had some of these too. I still liked the Pee Chee's a little more? Good memories!
- Michael Fidler
I get this uneasy feeling at the pit of my stomach and a not so good tingling up and down my vertebra which finishes with the shakes. I think i am really really allergic.
- Mona Nomura
My friend gets that way when she hears markers on white boards or paper.
- Yolanda
omg we were just looking for these the other day!
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I think mine was purple. LOL! Loved it!
- Gabrielle V
Thats exactly how it makes me feel, Mona.
- Brandon
I heart you for this, Derrick. New Trapper Keepers every year were the highlight of back-to-school prep. /nerd
- Kisha, Well Conditioned
from BuddyFeed
YES!!! This brings back memories. I remember getting a new one every year. I was the anal organized type so I absolutely loved these. It made each new school year extra special :)
- Grant Gochnauer
My red Trapper Keeper had punk band logos all over it. I was such a little Sk8r Grrl back then. lol
- Leslie Poston
I would doodle them on the Trapper Keeper and on the white areas and soles of my Chucks and Vans... no wonder I can't do math to this day...
- Leslie Poston
That time in my life was also my first Sharpie experience. I never did decide whether I preferred the permanence of the Sharpie of the heady smell of the thick black Magic Marker (also, too many comments in a row, sorry!)
- Leslie Poston
We always had the "just as good" kind (to quote my father) with names like "Keeper Trapper" and "Trooper Keeper."
- Noah Belson
I liked the thought of them but they were way too pricey for our budget. Plus I hated how everyone else's looked like crap after the first few weeks: the white edging would tear away from the plastic at the corners and hurt like a mofo if it slid underneath your fingernails.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina - YES! That was part of the Trapper Keeper experience!
- Lindsay
Each of us kids got one Trapper Keeper at the beginning of the year. If we took care of it, then great. If it got messed up, then we had to wait until the next school year for a new one.
- Jason Huebel
"I don't wanna wait, for my Trapper Keeper to be ovah!" lol I was one of those kids with the dolphin or tiger folders, the ones with stars and planets in the background, inside the bright colored Lisa Frank imitation binders. The ones that I had at home though were self decorated. @hitchhiker, my school had the duct tape trend too, but it wasn't many kids doing it.
- Heather
My mommie and daddie never bought me a trapper keeper... *sniffles*
- Joel Robert Perez
I never wanted one because I didn't want to lug it around to every class like everyone else did. I preferred just taking one folder to each class. I didn't need something extra to put my folders in.
- Katy S
After an initial "WFT is a Trapper Keeper?" I checked. I'd say we were po', but it's more that it didn't exist when I was going to school... Suddenly feeling very old.
- Walt Crawford
I'm thinking of doing 30 jumping jacks every time I want a cigarette and running each morning and evening. And not drinking for like 3 months.
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
Drink fruit juice, the natural sugars will help to counteract your brain's reactions to withdrawals. This is part of why people crave sugar when they quit, and also sometimes gain weight as a result of said cravings.
- Christian (Simply X)
Not that I necessarily recommend it, but I quit cold turkey after 7 years of smoking. I was a jerk for about 12 weeks, but haven't had one 7 years since. Quitting is the kind of thing I remind myself about whenever I wonder if I can do something - like write a book, move across the country and back, etc
- l.m.orchard
An email I just received from a soon-to-be-former friend: "The problem with you, is that you don't care what other people think. You're comfortable in your skin. You think you're cute and that that is all that matters. Meanwhile, the rest of us with body image issues are annoyed by that. You need to get over yourself."
Mark, that's what I was thinking. I read that going, "Problem? That's a problem?" But this was a tip of the iceberg sort of thing. The last 6 months has been nothing but her telling me that I should be concerned I'm not a size 2.
- Admiral Anika
People striving to be size 2 are hungry (believe me, I know). That makes them angry. Don't take it personal.
- Jess
It was going so well until the last sentence.
- Rodfather
YGTBFKM!!! And how old is this woman now? Who is upset that she has body issues and YOU DON'T? Who is still concerned about being a size 2? Sorry, she can't have that body back from high school (if she ever had it). I got tired of that crap a long time ago. Insecure people annoy the hell out of me.
- Helen Sventitsky
Oh, this was in reply to me sending her a photo of me and Adrian. I captioned, "Looking good after months of wearing jeans and t-shirts" THIS was her response to the photo.
- Admiral Anika
Jeez, that's almost abusive in a way. "How dare you be comfortable". My response would probably be "get a life!"
- Rick Cogley
LOL @Jess. @Rick, that's why she's a soon-to-be-former friend. We had a falling out over something similar 12 or 13 years ago. I told her to get back in touch with me when she grew up. She contacted me last fall and we've been chatting ever since. Then it got negative. I generally just ignore her little digs and whatever, but this was such a strange thing to say. I'm done with her.
- Admiral Anika
Ha, welcome to my world. God forbid somebody should be ok with themselves, or even be happy.. For whatever reason some people hate that. Whatever with the haters, work it girl!
- Maria
from BuddyFeed
When one lives their life to cater to what other people think is truly not living THEIR life. She is in serious need of some deep therapy.
- Janet
Anika: Okay, this may be *way* out there, but... is it possible that this is her fucked-up, wishy-washy way of telling you that she feels like you're bragging, or acting superior?
- Roger Benningfield
Roger, see above for what this is response to. I do get accused of acting superior usually by people with low self-esteem, no matter what I say or how I say it. I just think this was a weird response to a photo.
- Admiral Anika
Wow. Buh-bye former friend with issues!
- Lis Miller
I really thought this was a joke. but.. wow... she has issues.
- D. Eda Goze
That ain't right. Tell her to keep her insecurities to herself and not project them on others.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Anika: My gut says it wasn't the photo as much as the "Looking good after months of wearing jeans and t-shirts". Which is a far cry from "Check out my fine ass, don't you wish you were me?", but it sounds like she took it that way. If she sees you that way, I wonder what made her want to reconnect with you?
- Roger Benningfield
Oh it's totally obvious now. Psh, get over yourself! ;)
- Rodfather
What's wrong with picture? You being happy getting on her nerves?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Eric: That might have a lot to do with it... it seems insane, but some people really resent seeing happiness.
- Roger Benningfield
As an aside, that's a really cute picture!
- Anne Bouey
Eek! My head looks like a balloon in that picture
- Adrian
Thank you, Anne. My 3 yo took it. Adrian, we BOTH have balloon heads. Good thing we found each other.
- Admiral Anika
Lame-o. Not caring what people think and being comfortable in your own skin are signs of, I don't know, maturity? And health? She oughta look at you for inspiration, not try to drag you down to her level.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
The ONLY person who has the right to tell you to change your body is your doctor, and if your doctor is telling you that you're fine, or is telling you that you're heading toward what you'd consider acceptable deficits "Listen if you don't lose 40lbs, you're never going to climb Everest! But you'll be able to walk around Disney without getting tired and do your yard work till you're 90" then you don't need to change a damn thing. Your friend needs a cock punch.
- Matthew DeVries
Buhhhhhhh what? Former-friend is the right term - you don't need that drama.
- Sparky
Dear "Friend," I *am* comfortable in my own skin and pleased w/ my appearance. Thank you for noticing, and I am sorry it is such a hardship for you. As I would hate to inconvenience you further with my happiness and healthy self-esteem, we should part ways. Good luck with that whole crabapple thing. Love, Anika.
- Ayşe E.
*smooches* Ayşe. That's WAY more diplomatic than my emails that are starting out, "Listen, bitch..."
- Admiral Anika
Yeah, I say give the bitch a burn notice!
- Adrian
Anika, that was my 4th draft. The first three started out like yours! Sheesh. You take your fabulous self away from that negative energy. You don't need that crap.
- Ayşe E.
Thanks Mark. "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." —H. L. Mencken
- Rick Cogley
as rude and biting as that is, i would offer a bit of compassion first, as it seems this person is undergoing certain moments in her life that she probably hasn't quite come to terms with. this is in no way condoning her actions though and she should be made to acknowledge that before anything
- Cee Bee
LOL at "Listen, bitch..." I almost wrote an email like that last week.
- Kenya
I don't know any of the parties involved, but I think, Anika, that being super tolerant and forgiving would match the attitude that your "friend" noticed. Not saying that I would be big enough to do that, but I'm throwing it out there.
- Mark Horne
LOL...wow, Anika! Not sure how to answer, but they can kiss it and get over it themselves!
- JA Castillo
May I pile on? First, very cute picture; second, the woman who reacted badly is insane (narcissist perhaps?); third, I nominate Ayşe diplomacy expert of the year. (I may have some mother issues at some point . . .)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Mark & Cee Bee, I get what you're saying, but one of my fatal flaws is that I *am* unforgiving and quick to disappear a person who annoys me. One of my other fatal flaws is that I usually give the person a severe dressing down before walking away. Usually it's clear when something is leading up to a blowout. This was just so far out of left field, that it's hard to pick between the two.
- Admiral Anika
I'd bitchslap her and say something along the lines of "I don't give a damn if you're uncomfortable with your body. I'm sorry you feel that way but I'M NOT YOU. Take some Prozac and get over it." And then I'd run away. Fast.
- Zach Flauaus
So many issues with this. Blah. Talking about dieting is boring! When will women stop! If we put all of the energy we put into dieting into, say, world hunger... just sayin'
- anna sauce
When people are so raw about their insecurities, it makes me nervous. Like, wow, that sucks for you. And yet, you are so insecure, etc. can't even joke about it.
- anna sauce
OK one more comment... interesting that "the problem is with you." I mean, that's so obvious that it's her problem, and she doesn't even notice it.
- anna sauce
Wow, some people really do put their batshit crazy right out there, don't they?
- Alix Whitmire
I have no problem saying simple 'fuck you' to close friends when deserved. Of course, I expect the same from them too.
- Rodfather
Yeah... that sounds like their problem which they need to get over.
- Michael W. May
Say thank you, but I'd throw in a headbutt just in case
- Mo Kargas
Wow, Anika. I'd like to feel sorry for her insecurities but the way she lashed out at you is ridiculous. +Ayse's letter. Lol!
- Carmen
++Ayse! I always say, human beings are inherently sadistic. They just don't like other people being happy.
- Parth Awasthi
:( that was in response to a photo of you? anna's right; toooooooootttttal projection. also, sad.
- edythe
I'll say one thing, she nailed it: "you think you're cute" (you are) and "you're comfortable in your skin". Both of those things show in that pic. You look so happy and cute! She's just a jealous bitch. End of story.
- Laura Norvig
Mark Horne & Rick Cogley, plus one. "Thanks Mark. "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." —H. L. Mencken - Rick Cogley"
- edythe
That would be a great animation UI enhancer while reading feeds, growing up the window so that reading would chase 'em productive ones. Live Vitis Viniferas to disperse. 8<
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Oh no please, not "Live Vitis Viniferas", please! Picking them is forbidden in France( as it's an endangered species). I like the idea of "dispersing live vitis viniferas"
- Zackatoustra
So true. I used to take 280 to Palo Alto when I worked there even though it was a little bit longer, both in distance and in time. But there's just no quick way to get from Mountain View to 280, so it is all 101 these days.
- DeWitt Clinton
Not only are goats environmentally friendly, they enable you to use the secret goat transporter.
- Amit Patel
same for me, today about 2pm. missed a swim, but wifi made me productive anhoo
- Lane Rapp
Learning-to-Drink-Beer Update: I'm on the fourth bottle of Stella of the six-pack I bought last week, and I'm now to the point where I don't grimace. :) So, progress! Yay! I can now imagine a time in the not-too-distant future when I'll actually like it.
Anika, I'll try to figure out how to do that. And because beer is cheaper and more freely available at more places (specifically, outdoor music festivals), and I'm trying to find one I like - but I have six of these, so I'm going to drink them all before I try another one.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I think you should start with crap beer like Bud or Michelob. There's no taste, so no offense. That way when you have something like a Duvel or Chimay you'll be all, "Whoa, that's ARTISTRY!"
- Admiral Anika
Flitcraft, see above. It's cheaper and there's more of it. And I'd like more beverage options.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
The pictured beer happens to be my least favorite.
- Brandon
I would rather drink water than crap beer. Yech. Stella is a decent choice, especially since it's usually one of the few level-up from crap beers you might find in a place that doesn't have a lot of beer variety. Heineken is also decent. But I still much prefer other stuff and am spoiled because we go to micro breweries relatively often. I really like Japanese beers like Eichigo and Kirin Ichiban.
- Lindsay
If you're using Photo Booth in OS X, Go Edit, Auto Flip New Photos.
- Larry Hudson
I find the Ladies like fruitier beers like Shocktop or a good Pale Ale maybe a micro brew like Dead Mans Pale Ale.
- John D Reasor
Light beers taste less beer-y. Corona isn't bad. Don't forget the lime.
- B. Hatin
@John - Most fruity beers I've tried are also very hoppy... I don't like the hoppy taste at all. I like my beer smooth and more on the buttery side.
- Lindsay
Any Hefeweizen is a good choice for beginners. Some can be expensive but there are cheap/tasty options like Blue Moon or Hoegaarden
- Benjamin Golub
I love me good beer, but I avoid anything available at kids baseball games. I suspect the concerts are not better. So I'm with Anika that you need to learn to drink cheap swill if that's the goal. Personally, I like my wine cheap, but can't deal with my my beer that way.
- Mark Horne
Hm, interesting question: is beer a learnable skill?
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
To me beer is a purely social thing, and I kinda hate the taste of it in bottles. Agreed re: hefeweizen or any wheat beer for beginning, and amber is quite nice.
- anna sauce
Heve is a good choice fro anyone though I don't care for Blue Moon or Hoegaarden.
- Bill Rawlinson
Baard, above, tells you the reason to like beer. Seriously, don't have a bottled or canned introduction to beer! I wish you were in SF and I could take you to La Trappe, this Belgian place near my house that has amazing beer on draft.
- anna sauce
after drinking beer all over the world. I have noticed that after the first 6 they all taste the same :D
- Moved to Facebook
Had a Stella a couple weeks ago, pretty good taste.
- LonelyBob
Not only is beer an acquired taste, but learning what is good beer is also important.
- Emilio_M
from twhirl
Blue Moon is good and widely available. The same goes for Yuengling, though the latter is a bit more bitter.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
If you find you don't like Stella Artois, it may be because it's a lager. Try an ale next. They're quite different. Note that Yuengling is also a lager, though it's darker in tone than most lagers. Also avoid buying a six-pack of a hoppy beer until you've tried one and know that's what you like.
- Heather
agree on the Hefeweizen, a good bear to start w/. squeeze the lemon or orange into & drop in. my mother who hates beer, actually likes hoegaarden
- clarke thomas
Stella is the literal equivalent of American Budweiser, which is to say, piss beer - if you like mild beers, try a Saporo, or a Corona, or a Blonde from any microbrewery (like Pete's Wicked Strawberry Blonde Ale, though they are more mainstream) - or even the mild Lambic (with Black Currants) I mentioned on my feed this evening (http://friendfeed.com/wlh...)
- William Harryman
I'd argue that Stella is a huge improvement over Corona or Sapporo. It may be a popular Belgium beer, but I think for a mild beer it has a nice easy flavor. But I agree with a number of others that it may not be a good first beer. A hefeweizen or wheat beer would be a nice choice. And although I know lots of folks think it's a bad idea, for a beginner I would top it off with an orange slice to sweeten it up a bit.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
It may be a good first beer in the sense that its mild so you can get used to it. Although I wouldn't recommend it as I prefer stronger beers
- Nicholas James
then again if you're more an alcohol drinker, you might like some of the high octane Belgians, like Westmalle Trappist Tripel or maybe something fruity like Framboise - though if u were in the UK, I go with bitter
- clarke thomas
Just looking at causes a veteran like me to grimace. That is not a good way to train yourself. Give the left overs to your less descriminating guests & try some of the top shelf German stuff.
- Mrsth
We're never going to see that image reversed to the right way, are we?
- Mark Horne
Mark, I figured out how to reverse it. But you can't edit pictures on FF once they're posted, and it's not worth creating another post for.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Good work! My wife is coming round to Stella lately as well :)
- Patrick Jordan
Why on earth would you train yourself to like beer? Maybe if you are going undercover, but otherwise?
- Robert W. Anderson
Bit better, bit worse. I use the groups a hella lot more now, and feel i miss some stuff because i dont check them so often. I've subscribed to many more people though.
- Simon Wicks
Well, it's better on the whole. But sometimes I'm missing things. A certain feeling, don't know what.
- Ton Zijp
I got more responses when I was using a Friendfeed account with a Second Life avatar name, using the then current old Friendfeed. Now I might as well be talking to the walls, or putting messages in bottles and tossing them at the bottom of a landfill. The new version is ok but it sorely needs bulk list management. I need to move about five hundred people or more off my home feed.
- Chuck Baggett
Apart from some long-awaited improvements like directs and multiple recipients, the UI is clearly worse and disorganized
- Alexandros Georgiadis
from PeopleBrowsr
I think the only thing I really miss is the visual arrangement of things. I've had an FF account for a while, but don't consider myself a power user (of course, no one can compare to Kol).
- Heather
improved. or maybe every other Social Media site has gotten worse....
- Mike Nencetti
Much improved, loving all the new features and looking forward to whatever new stuff is coming. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I still hate realtime and my time spent here has dropped dramatically. Which isn't a great loss to the internet world, but still.
- Nine
It's about the same for me. I hate realtime so I'm permanently paused. I use Greasemonkey and Stylish scripts to make it look like the old version. Doing those things, it's not really different.
- Rochelle
Much improved! It's useful in so many more ways now. I was liveblogging in it a couple of weeks ago which was great as other conference attendees joined in in realtime. Then there's private groups and the sweet, sweet hypnotism of the realtime feed!
- Martin Bryant
FF has greatly improved for me over the last year. I'm in love with the live updates, etc. Very happy user.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
It's a mixed bag for me...most of the new features are great, but the general community reaction to real-time has meant a decrease in overall participation, or so it seems.
- Alex Scoble
Like someone mentioned above, I feel like I'm missing a lot of stuff. But, I doubt that is FF's fault. More like I'm subbed to too many people or something. Anyway, I do miss the older layout though.
- Yolanda
Improved, but the settings are somehow scattered around. They tried to create a clean design, which they did (once you remove the awful gray background), but a centralized settings page is necessary.
- George Iordanou
And who you calling "old", Zee? Hehe. ;-) How about mature users? No wait, that doesn't work for some. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Worse for me as well :(... I think the addiction is gone but I am not really sure why. I used to love clicking to people's profiles and interacting with their feeds. Now I feel like I hardly do that. Also it feels a bit more like Twitter which has a bad association in my mind
- Bindu Reddy
Improved though there are a few old features that I miss.
- Steve Sill
Improved in value and in creased my usage also
- Chris Heath
i'm no longer an addict, and while i like the new features, i miss late night interactions from the early days just over a year ago. night crew rep'n?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I LOVE FriendFeed :) Love new features... it's all good and getting better! :) Brian - YEP, I remember those days! fun
- Susan Beebe
For the record, I see a complete difference with how things were in the 'old days' as to how things were before the UI change. Those are two different vectors.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Changed? It's more realtime, which means that it's more useful for immediate communications, but less useful as a showcase for information.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Given todays events, I think FF's new UI/feature set is in a better position to compete. And will only get better.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Zee, you do realize that those who "voted with their feet" won't be here to tell you how much they hated the changes, right? Slightly skewing the results of this poll ;-)
- Sprague D
gotten better for the most part though some concessions have been made imo
- Cee Bee
it's different in a better sort of way - I liked the original just fine though
- mike "glemak" dunn
Improved - I think there's a big win still to be achieved with the look, but real-time and simplifications really do it for me
- Christopher Galtenberg
i wish i could say my experience was better, but it is worse.
- edythe
More powerful but more fragmented when compared to the old days. UI needs improvements though.
- David Young
I no likee the new style. I likee old style mo' bettah. Old style was better for conversations in threads. more easy to follow. my old brain hurts with this new style. and i forget stuff when it goes to page 2. but more people like the new style i guess. bastards. :-) but i still love you all. really, i do.
- Morgan Haley
I miss the icons which indicated what their entries were. And yes, I know there are greasemonkey scripts, for that, but I didn't have to do that last time. And I hate the real-time thingee, too.
- Derrick
I'm not really sure - a few days ago I was frustrated and today I'm fine with things - so guess it just depends on the day.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Despite my respect and love for Morgan, I'm in the MO likee camp. Much mo, in fact. But I'm pretty easy to please. There are one or two things that I miss from the old days (like stats), but real time and the added benefit that this brings to other new features like DMs... have you ever used a DM as an IM platform, awesome!... plus the removal of caps from post length and the email addresses and.... yeah, definitely mo likee!
- Jim Hearts FF
its faster so missing an hour you'd have to back track several pages. end users shouldn't have to track repeated post, it would be nice if duplicates were automatically not allowed
- Monique
I suspect you aren't going to hear too much from the people who didn't care for the update for two reasons: 1. The enthusiasts just argue with you, and who needs that and 2. If you *really* didn't like it you're gone -- you ain't using it and didn't hear the question. In any case, after a little time getting used to it, I have adjusted. But during the time of adjustment I got used to...
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- Dave Winer
I've seen the first real growth in a while, but my personal FF experience has been down lately
- RAPatton
Aside from the missing service icons, and sort-by-service, and the hideous design (fixed by forthcoming skinning) it's pretty much perfect. Which makes the lack of service icons and service sorting so damn infuriating. There was NO reason to kill it, and 50 reasons to keep it, and so damn simple to turn back on as a freakin option.
- Matthew DeVries
Its about the same, as with the last few beta/upgrade cycles I found the changes a little jarring and was put off by them at first. But as I actually started using the new features I appreciate the way they add to the over all user experience
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Improved but could be better with some minor tweaks. I do feel I am missing more things which means I need to make more lists.
- Amani
I miss the old interface. And I miss the level of communication I used to get before RT and the Twitter influx. I guess the verdict for me is worsened.
- Lindsay
What current site most resembles the old friendfeeds mode of operation?
- Chuck Baggett
Gotten much worse for me from the perspective of people looking at stuff I post, but improved the ability to have ad-hoc conversation. Overall I'm in the Nay camp.
- Threepwood
I have mixed feelings. I like some of the changes but now I feel that I miss a good deal of content that I didn't before. I think this is primarily due to the fact that I can't get best of day for my lists anymore and even the current best of day only provides a small fraction of the posts on a daily basis. I also think real-time doesn't allow for the level of discovery that was available before and many items fly by the stream never to return.
- Mark Krynsky
Louis: watch it buddy or I'll leave a rotting banana in your BMW. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
What Akiva said. Also: I love being able to search so specifically, and save searches and all that. However, I get significantly less engagement in certain circles of people that I *think* is directly related to real-time causing stuff to fly by. There's no objective way to measure that, though, it could just be people changing their habits, their subscription numbers, etc. EDIT: And I'm not just talking about less engagement for me. I also see other users have less comments on their stuff.
- Laura Norvig
I wish they'd done something a bit more ballsy with the new ui. Feels unpolished to me. Flickr's level of cleanliness would have been nice to see. Nevertheless, the real-time stuff is cool. I wish the additions to the API were out though...
- Aaron Brethorst
Improved. I'm spending much more time here now.
- Murray Barton
I think that it's improved although disappointed that there is now no Best of Day on the iPhone application
- Joe Dawson
Mixed, leaning toward worse. Real-time updates rule, but the new UI looks like Fisher-Price's My First Portal Page. Missing favicons identifying sources of updates, among other things
- l.m.orchard
I'm not sure the current color-scheme and layout are the best they've ever had, but the product itself has definitely improved. The original FriendFeed was more like a super-soaker squirt gun. You pump it up and a little stream of water shoots out for a bit. Now, it's actually a firehose. Always on. You could potentially see all of your stream if you just stared at it all day.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I did not like it at first. I preferred the old format better - For some reason since the update I have been receiving new subscribers daily. Do you think that is because more people have joined since the update?
- Laurie DesAutels
What is the scenario here? Would you give access on a bucket by bucket basis? Or just readonly access? As S3 assigns you a unique secret key that you can reset, OAuth adds very little above and beyond sharing the password.
- Joe Beda ()
Ultimately I want a service to store my data on s3 (or cloud storage) using MY account credentials. In an open format. Gonna happen.
- Hayes Haugen
No, but close. I want facebook to store the photos I upload there to_ my_ amazon s3 account. AWS should also offer an imap server where I can store my email. These are just examples. The bottom line is my data is in the cloud under my control and I give services permission to access. Sorry for OT.
- Hayes Haugen
I'd like it if web2.0 services would mash up more, for instance panoramio and flickr working together.
- Marcel de Jong
awesome but at the same time seems too verbose! why not do a Smalltalk card? Send messages to the object and you can drop the "self" bit :P
- Rudolf Olah
When I went for my walk on the beach, one huge wave came up and hit me about mid thigh. My jeans shorts are still wet with seawater as I sit at my desk. You know, I can live with that.
I may need to against my mother's wishes and check out the waves this week! All the recent rip current drownings have her all in a tizzy.
- Paul Reynolds
One of the recent drownings was the boyfriend of our favorite waitress at the Conway Pizza Inn.
- Dave Slusher
wet pants is a very small price to pay for being able to walk on the beach any time you want :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"Any time I want" is too strong. I do have to show up at the office. I actually go at lunch because I live farther inland than a lot of my friends and coworkers so it's more of a shlep from my house. I'm 2/3 of the way there from the day job office.
- Dave Slusher