I have to wonder about the point to this. Sort of goes against the meaning of facebook no? Twitter is about building a conversation and learning (if you are lucky)- more the merrier. But facebook is about connecting to the lives of 'real' friends, family and perhaps a select few others who you would truly like to befriend. I have to wonder about the point of just building up a cloud and thus noise anywhere and everywhere just because you can - while entirely ignoring that particular site's ethos. 224 people you could talk to but almost definitely won't.
- Kamath (नमः)
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Loic, come on -- you're all about promoting Seesmic -- it's part of your JOB (totally understandable). So you want to have 5000 (or 5 million!) "friends" you can broadcast and promote to. Yours is not an atypical use case among Web 2.0 start-up founders and I don't have any objection to you and others using these as tools of promotion -- but if everyone who used these services was similarly motivated, they would die pretty quickly, I think.
- Robert Seidman
Robert if you really think everything I do online is to promote Seesmic only you should really not bother commenting here.
- Loic Le Meur
Loic, just saw this (long weekend here in Thailand). Great reply. Thanks for that. However, note that I specifically talked about adding and following 1000s of friends on facebook. I totally get and understand doing that on friendfeed, twitter etc - they are modeled to work with that kind of large network - as I pointed out in my first comment. Facebook isn't - which is why probably the discussions you say are lacking are not happening on facebook.
- Kamath (नमः)
[Edit]...contd: Is Facebook meant for Friendfeed style conversations? No. It is for connecting with and following friends.Friendfeed/twitter - build conversations with like minded individuals - not neccessarily friends. Facebook - connect with existing and some new friends who you really find interesting and track. I found very little on facebook that is about building conversations. I would have preferred replying via video with my handsome mug on show:)but am replying on a friend's old mac without a cam.
- Kamath (नमः)
Forgive me a 3rd comment. Loic u say "-you will never talk to them. This is so wrong. I talk to hundreds of friends all day long. I post on Twitter, Friendfeed, Seesmic..." Loic, I never said u will never talk to them on twitter, friendfeed - it is specifically about chatting on facebook. why? see earlier 2 long-winded comments.
- Kamath (नमः)
Karnath - People use Facebook in different ways. (1) Real Friends (2) Internet Penpals (3) Getting "popular" (4) Business Spam (5) Semi-website like "storefront" or "personality front" (e.g. no phone number) (6) Marketing (no e-mail or phone number) - A beauty of the Facebook format is that it doesn't force you into any one mode. LinkedIn has similar diversity (1) True work recommendations (2) Real work or personal connections (3) Plaxo-like rolodex (4) Business Networking (5) SPAM
- Mitchell Tsai
Loic, I do not believe your love of these services is only because of Seesmic. On the other hand, if you did not have anything to promote (Seesmic, your conference, etc) would you really have 5000 Facebook friends? I *like* that you, Scoble, Calacanis, etc are out there, but you're the exceptions, not the rules when it comes to these services.
- Robert Seidman
thanks Robert. No I am not all about marketing, I actually really like these people too. I launched my conference because I wanted to meet them. I had the idea of Seesmic because I wanted to know them better even if we do not meet in person because we can't and video allows this. Now yes, it is also a great way to market a conference and a social software, but in this case they were born from that community.
- Loic Le Meur