Some seedy place where it would be good to pull the flaps down on your hat: VAN hasn't a snowball's chance in, well, Alberta...Should actually be a great shoot out....
- lonnie b hodge
They have to use checkoints (I'm noticing many more of them) because it's much harder to discern the drunk drivers from the normal sober Chinese wreckless drivers. Don't do it!! Cabs are cheap and plentiful! Go back and get your car tomorrow AM if you don't have a driver.
- Jeffrey J Davis
Was at KTV last night. Hotel was attached ;-) I wouldn't own a car here if they halved the traffic....Saw MOST of the singing party members leaving the place "in the bag" ...Of course THEY don't get stopped...
- lonnie b hodge
@Jeffrey J Davis Luckily I have a driver, so it was no problem for me.
- Marc van der Chijs
Let me get this straight. I am in an Irish bar in Guangzhou China with free wifi and I can write that the Chinese should unblock all bloggers. What is wrong here?
My credit is getting crunched! Damn communists! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert, I've been following your posts from China and I'm quite impressed. Are we witnessing a radical change in China ? Should we be worried that this change will bring a major impact to our economies (bigger than the one we have already witnessed) ?
- Miguel Albano
They are probably not as concerned about foreigners saying that. It's kind of expected really. It can be easy to think situation is better than it is, but undeniably I share your belief that the democratic situation is slowly improving. We shall not forget that democracy and freedom of speech must be reached by willing people in their own tempo.
- Monia
It reminds me what Roger Waters once said "Fear Builds Walls" chinese government must be afraid on giving power to the people...
- Peter Palatnik
Is there a moo.com competitors there? I can't find any.
- adolfo foronda
Damn, Scoble's charm always saves him ;)
- Pranav Bhasin
the Chinese are at a cross-rounds, the fred exchange of ideas is good for the country but bad for the government. I'm sure they'll find a work around, the Chinese have been the ultimate pragmatist for centuries.
- Robert Hafer
The question is, can locals do that? You're a foreigner, and in the foreign media. They want you to be happy with your stay and report good things about China. I'm not sure, until they become a non-Communistic country, that the locals have complete freedom over there.
- Jesse Stay
you will never leave the country alive
- sofarsoShawn
Imagine if they did stomp on Scoble. He would get tons of press for it, they would look bad, and only Robert wins. So I'm sure it's a strategic reason he is being left alone. I used to get emails from a record label in China. Haven't for years. He just disappeared.
- MarkCarras
It's in their best interest to make an American think things are becoming freer, really. See if you can talk to some locals about this stuff, maybe then you'll start getting some pushback.
- Victor Ganata
News of the day. Blogger Robert Scoble mysteriously disappeared, never to be heard from again.
- gfurry
Wait, wait, wait.... Hold on here... Irish giving anything away for free?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
They don't monitor everyone, trust me. You have to be a person of interest (well, I FIND YOU interesting).
- Claudia Cragg
Those are good questions, can a local do the same thing?
- Daltonsbriefs
can locals get together in China and blog about stuff that's on their mind? a reminder that Scoble is at CNBloggercon. 500 of China's top bloggers getting together. are there still limitations and restrictions. yes. positive change in China has been an evolution, not revolution. the former requiring patience. the latter being the quickest way to shut down positive change.
- Christine Lu
But can a Chinese blogger openly criticize the central government?
- Victor Ganata
Can locals do this? What I've heard is that they have and they often get away with it. But once in a while someone gets thrown into prison for speaking out too much, or too harshly, so they've learned to be nuanced with their criticism, or use humor. Several people were wearing shirts with river crabs on them. That is a direct criticism of the government, but in a way that no government official would be able to throw them in jail for. People are very resourceful in coming up with ways around stupid rules.
- Robert Scoble
When I was in China a couple of years ago, except for momentary censoring on CNN, I saw no incursions into my freedom
- Francine Hardaway
from IM
And, yes, locals discuss this, and many other items very openly. The newspapers here have tons of news about the milk poisoning. That is a huge change from when I was last here (the state-owned media would have never discussed something like that here). Is it perfect? No way. Far from it. But it's a lot better than most people realize and it's changing fast.
- Robert Scoble
I want to buy some of these subversive river crab shorts. Or possibly a river crab tie. Can't we all get behind subtly sticking it to the man?
- Andrew
Occasional: I want one that says "I've been harmonized." (Blocked by Chinese censors). A river crab one would be fun too.
- Robert Scoble
Perfect! And for those of you who did not catch Headbanger's reference to River Crab: rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2007/09/eating-river-cr.html
- lonnie b hodge
Yesterday, I was interviewed by a European TV station after my Bloggercon presentation and they harped on the political ramifications of the event. I am far more interested in the global connections that will come of you and Shel Israel, David Feng and others being part of an amazing gathering of bloggers from across Asia.
- lonnie b hodge
Lonnie - I wasn't referencing that, but Robert's comment previous to mine, but that is completely awesome. Thanks for the info!
- Andrew
When you can read my blog of reviews for newer software that works on old slow 9x machines, from China (without using a proxy), we'll talk about it. Even my software site was blocked in China till I changed hosting at the beginning of this year. There is a whole lot of completely harmless non-political stuff that is blocked just to make sure other stuff on the same host can't be viewed. And this is how their actions affect ALL of us...not just people living in China.
- April Russo (app103)
I mean, that's sort of what I expected. You can say what you like as long as you're careful and don't piss off the wrong people. But there's still that "as long as" part.
- Victor Ganata
as if this were a contest: identifying as an avatar with mixed (or many) personalities is for Second Life. In the Social Media world, it's a critically nebulous impediment to one's credibility. I'm shocked that people still listen to -- not to mention trust / believe -- this Amanda Chafel character.
- Andy Sternberg
chris wins hands down & bonus, he's a real person ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
@andy you don't have to "trust/believe" Amanda. I'm not really on either party's "side" here, but I will say that her points are extremely salient and anyone in marketing should be paying attention, period. Nothing against Chris at all - this is about the content, not the people.
- Jeremy Toeman
@jeremy fair enough, it does inspire discussion, but content without voice / face just increases the B.S. factor for me.
- Andy Sternberg
Blogging started, in part, due to a reaction to several things. One was committee-based marketing and its inability to actually tell us what we needed to know about the products we were considering (one reason why long videos with developers are actually popular). Two, we were mostly laid off and felt that the system had mislead us (which is why you see so many blog posts about bubbles and stuff). Three, the journalists didn't know how to talk about technology and didn't really care about it.
- Robert Scoble
Amanda (er, Brian and supposed other "team") loves to throw bricks through our front window but she/it/him doesn't explain how we got 4 million unique visitors a month with a crapily-produced video site at Microsoft. Nor does she explain how I told 15 people I was quitting Microsoft and within three days I had tens of millions of media impressions. It's not about ROI. It's about communicating with people in a human way (which is why I agree with Andy above).
- Robert Scoble
It's funny. Companies spend millions going on press tours yet Amanda doesn't question that. Why cross the country to visit, say, Walt Mossberg and show off your wares? Where is the ROI in that? He probably won't write about you (he rejects 99% of the pitches he gets). Yet Amanda questions writing a Tweet or doing a blog post? Those have far lower cost and far better chance of reaching an interested audience.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - companies don't spend "millions" on press tours. The ROI on a successful press tour is actually pretty impressive...
- Jeremy Toeman
the trouble is that any value amanda and brian could bring to the conversation is diminished by their cowardly need to hide behind the character and their sociopathic attacks on anyone they believe has different values. Thankfully I have learned to laugh it all off because they dont have the guts to come out in person to debate the topics - they would rather stay under their bridge throwing stones at people, waiting for them to engage with them
- Chris Heuer
They bring up some good points and it will educate some and annoy the rest that think there was little substance here to begin with. But two-way conversation and debate that produces some kind of value is what this is all about and for that reason, it's worth mentioning.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
I asked "Amanda" for the interview because I felt the questions raised are important, especially to mass market advertisers who sell consumer packaged goods and are curious about social media. I asked Chris Brogan to rebut because he seems like a genuinely thoughtful guy who'd be able to respond to the substance without getting furious at the style. I agree social media can hugely...
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- Tom Cunniff
Wow, now that Social media has become popular, and has marketing potential for those trying to re-invent themselves after blogging and podcasting began to flag, I am stunned by the politics and accompanying territoriality this kind of post implies has emerged..I have watched a lot of people come and go since 1978 when I started conferencing via computer..I have seen good marketing ideas flourish and worse ones go viral...Neither bothers me as I learn what works best for the good of clients and the community
- lonnie b hodge
I am amused that some of the most strident remarks came from folks who were ready to cash in their Internet chips prior to the upswing in SM popularity....
- lonnie b hodge
can i just pop in here? it's one thing to have us un(der)informed masses gabbing about breaking news, but when people post breaking news, there's always that huge gap of space while others wait for verification. if there were credentialed people on seesmic verifying news, that lapse when things are urgent won't happen.
- Admiral Anika
Gregory and Faboo Mama, thanks, interesting, could you also tell me how you would see it. Read: what would you do if you were in my shoes to make it happen?
- Loic Le Meur
whether you hire staff or just try to get users credentialed, that's up to you. but across all subject matter, it would be nice to have an "authority" on there. so say for politics, you should have tried to credentialed some people for the DNC and RNC conventions. real time conversations with delegates, politicians and all that stuff. locally, i use seesmic to get a take on angelenos state of mind. i am going to interview local politicians via seesmic that sort of stuff.
- Admiral Anika
but anything your 'citizen journalists' create can be edited in your office and posted like seesmix or newspop. imo, creating this under newspop would give you a lot more content from places that rachael can't get to.
- Admiral Anika
Agree with Faboo Mama. kind of a Mahalo-like news emission. Also, if there would be a way for users to specify keywords like "business," "politics" etc which would become topics of those news emissions.. like watch-words when they pop-up in some news or media outlet, they are somehow vblogged by volunteer Seesmic users or dedicated stuff and put on Seesmic.
- Hayk H.
Loic talk to David C of SPot.us he heads up a crowd sourcing journalist effort
- Fred Grott
Hi Loic, does moving from Paris to SF really help in your web venture in your opinion? .. just curious..
- Mark L
from twhirl
sounds a bit controlled. I don't like this newsroom idea even though I know it will make you a lot of money Loic. It has too much pretension towards interactivity when the reality is television on demand. On a theoretical playing field this is the lowest common denominator... but then again so in porn. Have fun kids!
- Noah David Simon
Faboo and Hayk interesting, would you pay them or just promote them? I don't have an investment budget for that... This business model has been tried by many and failed up to now. Mahalo is a good example (not failed) where everybody is just doing it for fun I guess.
- Loic Le Meur
Why not partner with journalism schools? Also second the motion to talk to digitaldave@twitter (David Cohn)
- Howard Rheingold
Mark, yes, will write a blog post about this soon
- Loic Le Meur
Loic also check out Current.TV - they have user-generated news shows too. An Al Gore company. I can introduce you to the CEO and COO if you are interested
- Chris Saad
I mean that Micro interactions with brands are very powerful tools for marketers to engage with users. Not only News and press release can do but also seesmic release can do.
- Ejang
that's the beauty of it, there's so many people online willing to whore themselves out for a logo behind them, they'll do it for free as long as they get promoted, credentialed and have access to contacts. As Chris said, look at CurrentTV. There's a lot of good content there being generated by users. Granted a lot of those users are film school students, rich kids, or people with gov't backing, but for the most part, the content is good. There's just nothing really "current", nor is there conversation.
- Admiral Anika
thank you so much all, I am digesting all your comments please keep them coming!
- Loic Le Meur
i am working on a news information sharing idea and have a site WOT News being finalised, a citizen journalism site so to speak. Would love to have a chat sometime...if you are interested.
- Don
I think you & Pitch Engine could find a way to revolutionize social releases.I was thinking the other day,you'd be a great fit!
- lonnie b hodge
good meme here, investigative journalism is in crisis due to budget crunches
- ishak
from twhirl
Don, would love it. lonnie, will definitely talk to pitch engine
- Loic Le Meur
Loic, do you think about adding a Skype-like calling feat to Seesmic: calling real time/ video conferencing? and surely someone must have mentionned the topical videos. Not only crowd sourcing journalism volunteers - BE sure there are many who would willingly do that off their work and time. Topical videos like social media issues, leadership, how to start a company, etc. IMO there is a HUGE cash-in possibility. Say a video of 5mins feating advice from some VC (?) for 99cents or smth like that?
- Hayk H.
Hayk thank you very very interesting
- Loic Le Meur
I remember when Coors took out a full-page ad in the NYT asking people not to buy beer smuggled in from Colorado as it was not pasteurized and would taste like crap. Brilliant marketing that made them more popular than ever. And i was also there for the boycott of the racist family that spawned Coors. Social activists almost shut them down. Now you guys have me wanting to try Yanjing....ha...
- lonnie b hodge
I was a member of Task Force Delta in the 70s..What a fantastic and memorable think tank/social network that was....Lots of peaceful and powerful social change evolved there...DOD has the funds to stay cutting edge if they choose to...
- lonnie b hodge
Loic: it's not that complicated: just read this article http://is.gd/DIQ and you'll be an SEO expert
- Jorge Escobar
Make sure content has a unique url that accurately describes the content, unique titles, unique descriptions, make sure the content matches the url which matches the title. Don't use tables when you don't need to, don't replicate content at other urls if you can help it. Write interesting and compelling content, then get people to link to you! Easy as pie ;)
- Clint Ecker
@Loic Le Meur (loic): The SEO advice from Tolle is spot on - Title tag, url string and text in harmony
- Cheryl Allin
from NoiseRiver
what about troubleshooting google issues -- my blog recently dropped off google.com (was 1st), but still first on google.ca. I don't even know where to start to fix it... (if anyone's so inclined google search "craig ritchie" on .com and .ca) I'm stumped.
- Craig Ritchie
from twhirl
Prioritize the most significant part of the page title first. The page title is the first thing people see in search results. Better for people scanning it to see the page subject rather than your site's name, in most cases. Use semantic markup for headings (h1, h2, etc) rather than styles because google may prioritize those terms. If you use images for navigation or headings, look into SEO friendly techniques for doing so. Don't stuff hidden text into the page. Read the google webmaster guidelines.
- Erik S
Say really nice things about Matt Cutts' Cat on Seesmic. get with a provider who "gets" organic, and paid search as well as up-to-date social media and IWOM--better be someone who knows IWOM as well as you with your gift for link baiting. And hire a crew that optimizes for foreign content even if you don't have immediate plans to expand into markets like China.
- lonnie b hodge
He was the #1 Twitterbug for a long time and his staff even answered a tweet I posted about a veteran's issue. With a former Facebooker on his team he should have a firm grip on the power of this medium...He appears to be paying close attention to trends while that his competition is getting blue-light specials in aisle eight.
- lonnie b hodge