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Some back-end things that FF has will not be easy to copy... But the back-and-forth between browser and server can be put into a generic library I think. - Meryn Stol

Although I'm familiar with most web technologies as a programmer, I wouldn't have a clue how I would go about writing a *single user* friendfeed for example. That is, I would want a comment which I post in one browser window to be instantly visible in another. - Meryn Stol

While the FF team has been quite innovative with their approach (I've never seen it being done before elsewhere) I know this part is not truly rocket science. If I'd delve into their JS, I could probably figure it out. - Meryn Stol

aren't we describing Google Wave? - Rah-PM 2012

Hmm good point Rahsheen... Well maybe that's the first framework then... I was thinking more of something lightweight as jquery. Jquery could really bring these realtime/push techniques to the masses. I think it could improve almost any site. - Meryn Stol

I think "push" is the most important thing. "Realtime" makes one think of the stream... It's the push-updating of content that interest me the most. A kind of "syncing" of the content inside browser windows. - Meryn Stol

Meryn, the push idea on the browser is obviously difficult due to the statelessness. However, a quick polling cycle can make it feel like real-time. Ajax requests through something like JQuery can have a long-polling affect as well because the content on the server may take some time to return. - Rob Diana

Current state of the art for open source "long polling" is http://orbited.org/ - Brett Slatkin

Rob, does FF do it with polling? You also have the technique of holding a HTTP connection open. I think that's done for web-based chat rooms often. There's a always-on HTTP connection. - Meryn Stol

Bret, yes, I saw that a while ago. Maybe there need to be more Orbited "recipes"... E.g. "How to build a single user FriendFeed room". - Meryn Stol

There is no such thing as 'PUSH' on the web - FF is just long polling, i.e. an AJAX request that is kept open, then re-opened when new data is returned. We do exactly the same with TweetMeme. - Nick Halstead

Nick, yes I know there's technically no push, but a HTTP connection on which new data is trickling in is somewhat like push. There's an open connection the server can "write" to. - Meryn Stol

Nick, what library have you used for Tweetmeme? Home-brew? You know of any tutorials to do this kind of thing? - Meryn Stol

As for a framework - it is actually not hard to write, the common problem is that most 'typical' web servers such as Apache are not designed to leave that many open connections, NGINX is much more suitable - as it is very fast + extremely light weight - Nick Halstead

There is documentation on the principals - but not much open source that is robust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Nick Halstead

Thanks Nick. This is very interesting. Well I hope that a a kind of "JPush" (ala JQuery) will come to be. - Meryn Stol

Actually, you can use a forever-loading iframe to do 'PUSH'. Long-polling isn't the only option, though it's the most common and easiest to use method. Twitterfall uses different methods depending on what is available in the user's browser; potentially forever-iframes, XHR, long-polling, and ordinary polling. - Jalada

wish there is an opensource project - kang

Here in West Hollywood, my best friend of 18 years and his boyfriend are getting married. So yes, I get to be a groomsman at a gay wedding - prop 8 or not. Should be awesome. - Louis Gray

Your secret is safe on the Internet - Kevin L

and you appear to be about 30 feet tall - Allen Stern

Have fun! Nice tie/waistcoat - anna sauce

I invited Derrick to the bachelor's party last night, but he couldn't come, because he had a date. :) - Louis Gray

You guys are in charge. Make sure not to look at or show anyone these photos. - Louis Gray

Nice tie! I won't tell anyone :) - bev

PS... I think that's a bag of awesomesauce tied up with a HELL YEAH bow :) - Johnny

Doesn't one normally wear a bow tie with a tux? - Oniony

You are teh hawtness, sir! - Ladyepiphanybug

Oniony- you can wear a few diff. kind of ties. - anna sauce

cool Louis! - metalerik

A force to be reckoned with! - Micah

I do know the two grooms! Congrats you crazy two, and have fun Louis. Give them my best. - Derrick

Swanky! Nice, Louis, very nice! - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I hear there are other pictures ;-) - Jesse Stay

Sharp - Wayne Sutton from iPhone

It was a fantastic ceremony. One of the best weddings I have ever seen. It was traditional Jewish themed, so I am wearing a yarmulke to match the vest and tie. Lots of great friends from my teenage years. - Louis Gray from iPhone

Louis, I own a yarmulke as well - my wife brought it for me when she visited Israel - Jesse Stay

Lookin' sharp, Louis! - Ayşe E.

Spiffy, Mr. Gray. - imabonehead

"Don't tell anybody," he tells everybody. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

Can't wait to see the pics. - Derrick

I won't breathe a word, Louis. - WoH: Minding her Steves

hi Louis, wish you can have a look at this: http://reader2twitter.appspot.com - kang

You need a tie with a FriendFeed logo or something - Outsanity

:D good one, Sean! - WoH: Minding her Steves

Awesome. - jan geronimo

Gay wedding with a tie,fun - Steve Chou

LOL 'Swanky' Great pic, you do look 30 feet tall! - Harold Cabezas

who is that guy? He almost looks scared about the tux! - Chris Myles

With the suit on, Louis looks like he works for a federal agency. :P - imabonehead

@imabonehead, u r right, it reminds me of agent mulder of x files - TrafficBug

Sending an "atta-girl" Mrs. Gray's way - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

hi nice to meet u... - Nylissk Letnomorg Elo

+ a million for the whole thread. Looks like you're picking up some admirers here, Louis! Nylissk, we gotta warn you, you're ging after a married man with many admirers. You want a piece of this guy, you're gonna have to get in line - like filing a lien on a house with five mortgages and a line of credit, with outstanding remodeling bills. ;-) - Auntie Buttinsky Botts

Hey, who is this guy from the past. Has he come to warn us about the future? - Eric

chromebook的压力吗？ - kang

■ 稳定！第一条就是Twitter现在的致命伤，连Fail Whale都fail了，真是个悲剧。 ■ 速度。即使是在Twitter稳定的时候，打开它的页面也比较缓慢，相对而言，FriendFeed算得上高速了。 ■ 搜索。Twitter的官方站内搜索才刚刚有个影子，FriendFeed则是原生支持。 ■ 会话组织。虽然Twitter的@适合手机上定点交互，但参与讨论的人数一多，便只有FriendFeed的会话模式可以清晰的呈现交流内容了。 ■ FriendFeed可以直接显示图片和视频，而Twitter为了照顾手机短信用户和保持精简，顶多只能给出链接。两种模式不能说哪个就一定更好，但至少对浏览网页的用户来说，FriendFeed显然更方便。 ■ Mail2ff对中文的支持很好，而Twitter的第三方邮件发布服务还没有一个让人满意。 ■ 同样的，由于重点在手机短信，所以Twitter没有群组和标签的概念，FriendFeed则可以玩Room。 ■ 更新的时候近期的条目也会一起出现，一次发布太多条目会自动隐藏一部分，会话中的回复太多也会隐藏部分，可以显示一日、一周、一月以来的热门内容，这些细节都是严格按照时序排列的Twitter没有的。 ■ FriendFeed能够推荐好友，能够跟踪虚拟好友，能够查看简单的好友统计，而Twitter只有tweets数量统计可以拿出来说说，其他的是靠第三方服务。 ■ FriendFeed本来就以聚合其他在线服务为目的，因此导入的时候相当方便，而Twitter志不在此，除了只能导入feed，同步feed需要借助第三方服务之外，导入太多feed还可能被Twitter好友唾弃。 - Calon from email

FriendFeed的WEB 2.0味道更浓 - kang

众多的第三方支持应该算twitter的优点。 - 丁勇

可惜因为性能又不得不限制API，等于自废武功 - Calon

也要看网站流量，twitter 比 friendfeed 不知大多少倍。http://trends.google.com/website... - Jick Nan

friendfeed虽然更加丰富了web2.0功能，但是上手确更容易。用户一旦粘上就不容易丢掉，正是由于它支持的各种web2.0网站接口。 - momowind

@calon 感觉twitter以后要死就死在自己的性能上，而不会直接死在对手手上。 - 丁勇

frienfeed,快点灵活,可以自己定义来源 - 眼球博客 from Alert Thingy

friendfeed里的提问回答挺好，树状排列的层次更多就好了，twitter干净，都是键盘敲的文字，@calon说的多媒体，貌似好多类twitter服务因为提供全文而被墙，还是这样好，在墙内说着墙外的话。 - ace from twhirl

在friendfeed里加入g reader，g reader里可以twitter，这个个性主页还可以，要是g reader里可以发friendfeed信息就好了。 - ace

这些人都不来了... - 士慷

上次做过统计，FF还活跃的中文用户就那么三四十个了 - day7th

那统计在哪？我没参与啊（我想是不是应该开个新贴重新列举下FriendFeed的好处...） - 士慷

不用列了，就搜索坏的再也好不起来这一条，就让ff死了。//现在似乎又好了 - Olive Fee+

嗯，好吧，听O姑的 - 士慷

照我说FF一个好处就够了：能谈点事儿，一个话题是一颗种子，能无影无踪也能长成大树。Twitter上话题都是子弹，来无影去无踪。 - vjay

歪楼党伤不起 - /sg

其实还是挖坟党更伤不起 - Olive Fee+

Now in a game helping Roger to stick his photo to the top, so that "his girl" will see it when she first comes to ff:)) || 玩游戏中，帮Roger把裸照置顶，希望“Roger的女孩”来访问friendfeed时能够看到这张裸照，够浪漫吧！！：））||ゲームで今すぐにRogerの写真を頂上でおもいです!! Meanwhile, we are testing the new "add comment" feature :)) - K.D.

习惯性 s tab 然后信不信就出现了 -_-!! - R093r-

K.D. 兄，你也贡献个裸照吧 XD - R093r-

挺帅，这是？ - 陈浩小贤

不行，有您的照片在上面，俺不敢上，囧～～ - K.D.

我这叫抛砖引玉，大家踊跃的上裸照啊 ^_^ - R093r-

”玉“一般用来形容美女的啊...我知道您的”贼心“ ：））） - K.D.

呃，意会就好，说出来就不美了 - R093r-

是楼主吗照片？？？ - SimonPeter from email

是啊，淫佛你也来张裸照吧 :) - R093r-

当然，你以为 - K.D.

我高中的时候被女生拍过裸照哎。。。那时候都还没发育好 - SimonPeter from email

那现在发育好了吧？来一张 :) - R093r-

哈哈有压力啊 - SimonPeter from email

what for, 征婚吗 - Neolandscaper

记得小鹅以前也上照片的时候，没有说抛x引x的：）） - K.D.

有美女愿意以身相许我也不介意了哇哈哈哈哈 - R093r-

这也叫半裸啊，顶多八分之一裸 - 我是真砂！

半裸比较好听，八分之一裸太难听 XD - R093r-

半裸不行，那中裸呢？ - 硕少

这是不是要准备发动裸照运动抗议ff被fb？ - Paul from Shawshank

有人响应不？最好是MM XD - R093r-

楼下的今天晚上吃什么 - ThenWang

楼上，晚上吃粥，先点名哈～～ - K.D.

10个人，每人分配100楼... - K.D.

到的同学就留言，我统计一下，最好能超过十个人 - K.D.

夏天吃粥好阿，前天才吃的皮蛋瘦肉粥 - ThenWang

@K.D.: 这个难度有点大吧。 - Haitai from Shawshank

今天我家喝绿豆汤 - R093r-

不用那么麻烦的，盖到100+，看热闹的人自然就来了 - ThenWang

操作方法，点击3 hours ago进入该贴的永久链接，然后利用最新出炉的 add comment 功能 - K.D.

add comment好像不能这样用啊 - K.D.

绿豆汤怎么能当主餐 - ThenWang

绿豆汤配包子哈哈 - R093r-

俄罗斯用户一般都是直接复制-粘贴，没有对话的 - K.D.

进入永久连接以后直接在下方有个 comment的方框啊 - R093r-

直至目前为止，FB还是不怎么会用。可以聚合FF的主题吗？看到FB上的聚合功能，比起FF，我真的有些看不起FB了。 - 遇见你就死机 - K.D.

不过现在貌似才4个人 0 0！ - R093r-

召唤中文用户中....:))) - K.D.

估计晚饭时间到了，会冷清一段时间，要耐得住寂寞，吃完饭继续 - ThenWang

KD刚才是在复制粘贴吗 - ThenWang

我们晚上约过来？ - K.D.

恩，我洗完澡8点左右吧 - ThenWang

我简单的感觉了一下，发现这需要更大的决心和玩的劲头，囧 - K.D.

主要是目前在的中文FFer 还是少 - R093r-

我现在是边吃,边看, - junrxu

有点晚啊，不如我们先盖到6点10分？提高一下发帖频率 - K.D.

晚上准备几点开始盖？ - R093r-

我6点吃饭，看地方台新闻，习惯了 - ThenWang

junrxu 你要加入啊 - K.D.

大家不要纠结于形式和结果嘛，不然就失去本来的意义了 - ThenWang

现在在线的有junrxu, Then, Roger,K.D.Paul,Haitai... - K.D.

对了，本来的意义就是没有意义 - ThenWang

@ThenWang 我很久没看过电视了，只有在吃饭的时候能看10多分钟 - R093r-

盖楼的宗旨就是无厘头到底 - -！ - R093r-

对啊，本来就是没有意义的，就是借着现在的一股劲头，过了就凉了 - K.D.

不过对Roger还是有意义的 - K.D.

话说那个俄国朋友们的楼已经接近1000了 - R093r-

《瘦肉型猪的繁殖和饲养》 http://www.verycd.com/topics... - ThenWang

要盖千层楼估计每人都要发接近100条回复 - Roger.Wei - K.D.

其实我也快笑喷了，当时正在喝水～这感觉好像黑客帝国里的复制人，或者盗墓之类的里面的尸虫... - K.D.

“过来了一个”，我看到这儿差点笑趴下了。 - K.D.

罗斯用户对高楼真的很有兴趣：））））他们一定是嗅到了那座楼，有潜力！！！ - K.D. - R093r-

Baiyssy 情侣永远不会觉得床太小 - R093r-

这里没有中国愤青阿 - ThenWang

给这个帖盖楼么?为啥不是个女生图片? - junrxu

到了盖楼的时候才发现，FF上的中文用户太少了。 - Haitai from Shawshank

来来去去就那么几个 - R093r-

你盖到1000楼他就变女生了，不骗你 - ThenWang

@junrxu 这是Roger的照片，发出来就是为了找有缘女生的图片，哈哈 - K.D.

呃,明白, - junrxu

我感觉我们再盖一盖，俄罗斯的专业盖楼建筑工人就会跑过来了：）） - K.D.

相对湿度 80% - ThenWang

大学时候认识一个俄罗斯学生，说他们家冬天会把土豆放在洗衣机里酿酒 - ThenWang

他们改了名字，像机器人啊～ - K.D.

这个贴子，roger的照片，晚上一定会很有潜力的 - K.D.

我吃饭去了，晚上来 - ThenWang

愿上苍保佑吃饱了饭的人 - ThenWang

Roger蛮郁闷的，这条变成图片党了。 - 硕少

@ThenWang: 说起这个，我想起了海尔制造出可以洗土豆的洗衣机抢占农村市场的故事。 - Haitai from Shawshank

我刚把盒饭吃完 - junrxu

@Shuo Cheng 我们在练习盖楼的，你也来参加？：））每人任务100条～～这是Roger的征婚贴哈 - K.D.

发现现在ff很慢了，是不是盖楼的缘故呢？ - K.D.

吃饱喝足了，就为Roger献点力：） - K.D.

欢迎加入啊，我们晚上到高潮的～～今天晚上是盖楼party - K.D.

nnd 电脑突然拨不上号了,手机让我怎么盖 - R093r-

不管，自己想办法解决，这可是你的楼～～ - K.D.

不会逼我去网吧吧 ...... - R093r-

@Roger.Wei: 这个可以找人代盖。 - Haitai from Shawshank

祈祷网通别捣乱了 - R093r-

好吧，你先好好祈祷 - K.D.

吃饭先 - R093r- from fftogo

潜力楼，进来插一脚 - 拓 | wavesand from email

果然是网通出问题,网吧也上不了网,看来偶只能用手机盖了 - -! - R093r-

呃 - Paul from Shawshank

8点了，人都到了吗？：）） - K.D.

吹干头发 - ThenWang

还有人呢？ - K.D.

今天星期几 - ThenWang

这个问题太适合开场了，不过我们是从中场开始的 - K.D.

刚才那边出现了block的惨剧，希望我们不会被block ，囧 - K.D.

20世纪少年电影第二部有DVDRip了 - ThenWang

哦？有城管吗？ - ThenWang

有人举报才会查的吧 - ThenWang

这是从哪里来的？ - K.D.

再说这个帖子顶楼就有Roger半裸像坐台，会原地复活的 - ThenWang

俄罗斯楼被block了? - R093r-

俄罗斯用户冒充罗伯特的几位“冒失鬼”大概被block的了 - K.D.

我觉得他们是在玩盖楼游戏，和我们一样，只不过冒充别人的名字似乎不太好，不过这也算是恶搞吧～和小孩子恶搞一样 - K.D.

你的意思我信春哥了? - -! - R093r-

今天你就是超越春歌的存在阿 - ThenWang

呵呵，送你直上云霄 - K.D.

盖的人很少啊，下午关注的同学呢？Paul, haitai.... - K.D.

话说我还准备改名恶搞一下那...... - R093r-

盖一楼。 - Haitai

等有人来查这个帖的时候，就叫Roger把标题改成“社交化网站回归传统IRC的研究于讨论专题“ - ThenWang

开始盖了：）） - K.D.

哪一个是真的Robert Scoble，还是原本就没有这个人 - ThenWang

绿头像那个是真的，其他同名都是假的 - K.D.

哦了解 - ThenWang

FF的那帮同学认识中文吗? - R093r-

我在那边写了个故事，说我们在帮Roger把裸照置顶，希望“Roger的女孩”来访问friendfeed时能够看到这张裸照，够浪漫吧！！：）） - K.D.

有这个人，那帮俄罗斯用户就是改了名字。 - Haitai

FF里面有人认识中文的 - K.D.

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