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Louis Gray
Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger, and dad w/twins
Brian Solis at Bub.blicio.us: Introducing the FriendFeed Team - http://bub.blicio.us/1111126...
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Ок. Спасибо. Исправим., gibilix, Ras - Dago-Baadass! of FF and 143 other people liked this
Brian, as always, takes great pictures, even with questionable subjects. The pictures are from tonight's open house.
- Louis Gray
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Great pic Louis and tell them I love them all, best product on the web right now
- Thomas Power
Great photo!
- Bret Taylor
Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox.
- Tudor Bosman
yes; awesome photo!
- Tudor Bosman
(Not pictured: Ben Golub, Gary Burd and Ross Miller)
- Louis Gray
Some of our Turkish friends are also there http://ff.im/3mt6T.. Thanks for the pictures
- Murat Buyurgan
Great Photo :)
- Nimaa
You didn't tell me there was a FriendFeed party this week or I would have come out :-)
- Jesse Stay
Tudor SMASH!
- dario
Jesse: I haven't been able to make a friendfeed party for a while. We need a calendar! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
اینا هم حلقه دارن. رونوشت به مازیار و مهران اینا
- alihejvani
Rock on, Kevin!
- Josh Haley
Great PPs!!加油，Friendfeed！:)))
- K.D.
That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys!
- Zackatoustra
FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!!
- Renchin Wang
So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-))
- ianf ⌘
TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality.
- AJ Kohn
Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house!
- Brian Solis
I think I spotted Hutch (http://friendfeed.com/bhc3) in an uncaptioned photo wearing a white "San Francisco Classic" shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes, Daniel. That is Hutch.
- Louis Gray
Fun party, great food, great hospitality.
- Anne Bouey
Anne - great finally meeting you yesterday.
- Hutch Carpenter
great photo, good to see the whole team together!
- Jeroen De Miranda
oooh i am totally wishing i was there! Robert is right, we need a calendar! :)
- Susan Beebe
Hutch: Thanks. I enjoyed chatting with you, too.
- Anne Bouey
what's with the guitar? lol
- Stuart Evans
(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...)
- Louis Gray
علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعیه؟ :)))
- Mehran
:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم
- alihejvani
:)))
- Mehran
That Couple - http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009...
A Short Update From YackTrack - http://blog.yacktrack.com/2009...
The new divide: Walled v. open - http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009...
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iPhone "3,1" moniker denotes major hardware change (PA Semi?) en route - http://www.9to5mac.com/iPhone-...
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Intel's desktop roadmap leaked, with faster i5 and i7, introduction of i3 - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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Some Thoughts On Email After Dealing With 500 Emails - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
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South Carolina Rift Highlights Debate Over G.O.P. - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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"When Senator Lindsey Graham joined forces last month with Senator John Kerry on a compromise to the climate change legislation known as cap and trade, it was the last straw for the Charleston County Republican Party. The county party, which has traditionally been considered moderate, voted by a wide margin to censure Mr. Graham in harsh terms. Their grievance list was long: it cited the senator for calling opponents of immigration law change “bigots,” holding the Republican Party “hostage” by participating in bipartisan maneuvers, voting for the Wall Street bailout and tarnishing the ideals of freedom."
- Louis Gray
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I'm conservative on most issues, but I like Lindsey Graham.
- Dawn
YackTrack Has A Blog! - http://regulargeek.com/2009...
For the first time, the Oakland A's reveal their plans to move to San Jose... (San Francisco Online) - http://www.sanfranmag.com/story...
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"For the first time, the wily A’s boss, Lew Wolff, and his billionaire partner, John Fisher, reveal their full plan to move their team to Northern California’s biggest city, upend the Bay Area sporting landscape, and make the most of the A’s famous eye for bargain talent."
- Louis Gray
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This pleases the boyfriend tremendously. As such, I approve.
- EricaJoy
Erica, this proves to me that the boyfriend is smart in at least two ways. :)
- Louis Gray
Facebook | Michaele Salahi's Photos - White House State Dinner Crash (Open & sporting nearly 1,000 comments...) - http://www.facebook.com/album...
Iván Abrego and Wins Fern liked this
One problem with blogging for years? Undeniable proof that you could be seriously wrong. (Like I was in 2007 re: Facebook) - http://blog.louisgray.com/2007...
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"Five years from now, Facebook will not be a household brand. Like GeoCities and TheGlobe.com before it, today's hot Web communities are tomorrow's graveyards, as a fickle Web audience will continue to move from one destination to the next, leaving behind ignored friend requests and a a river of bad HTML in their wake."
- Louis Gray
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Also: "I don't have a Facebook login, don't have access, and don't want it. Why, when there is so much content and real-time collaboration and conversation going on outside of the walls of Facebook, would I take the extra effort to share in conversations and faux digital friendships to a more limited audience? It just doesn't make sense."
- Louis Gray
WTH is wrong with me? :)
- Louis Gray
So what do you think about Twitter now? ;-)
- Hutch Carpenter
Twitter? Who said anything about Twitter? You mean this doozy of an article? :) http://blog.louisgray.com/2007... "Why I Stopped Using IM and Won't Use Twitter"
- Louis Gray
Eh, I would have said the same thing. The service has never really shown any useful redemption for me.
- Jimminy
There is nothing wrong with displaying the evolution of your thoughts. In fact, it serves to prove you aren't pig-headed.
- April Russo (app103)
I need to pull out my old articles on Facebook and Twitter. I think I was pretty close :-)
- Jesse Stay
Twitter, not sure about though
- Jesse Stay
/blocks Jesse again.
- Louis Gray
Types this as he plays Mario Kart, minus Louis Gray :-P
- Jesse Stay
Sadly I have to agree with you LG. Facebook held by attention for less than a year. Twitter has had little real impact. Friendfeed and Ecademy remain my favourites because they are real clubs, gangs, groups dare I say proper communities not machines. Jason Goldberg (Social Median) has left Xing inside a year after the sale. Xing's another machine. Humans want relationship software not efficient dishwasher software with zero humanity. Google needs to humanize. Wave is the start but remains (currently) poor.
- Thomas Power
Thomas, Facebook and Twitter aren't going anywhere any time soon - look at the stats
- Jesse Stay
I agree Jesse I follow the stats here http://www.quantcast.com/top-sit... and I realize they are not going anywhere for the mass market just arriving. However they are not able to hold my attention as a super user or power user and if they don't ultimately I know from experience (since 1994) they will decline. There's an old saying "easy come, easy go". Remember MySpace. Friendfeed and Ecademy are slow hard builds that few understand.
- Thomas Power
Just remember, once upon a time AOL was really big. When facebook finally falls, you can point to your old post and say you were right. :-P
- April Russo (app103)
This thread reminds me I need three sets of cufflinks: WTF, WTH, FTW. I'll wear each set on appropriate occasions.
- Bernie Goldbach
Its all about attention, and the 'moment' - 5 years from now, those below 25 will be more proactive to communicating about issues that matter most - like the state of their world - they'll want to repair what their elders have destroyed! FB will hopefully see the changing trend and re-adapt.
- AainaA-Ridtz A.R
hear hear April. Hear hear. Sounds like you lost interest in them too. Have you?
- Thomas Power
Thomas, I wouldn't be comparing Facebook to MySpace. I would be comparing them to Google. You guys are looking at the wrong comparisons. (I wrote 2 entire books on this, so I too have done my research)
- Jesse Stay
Wasn't their a report about Facebooks users starting to slough off a bit recently, within the past month?
- Jimminy
Facebook is not just a site it's a platform, and you have to take that into account when comparing them
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy, Facebook is growing as fast as they always have: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/faceboo...
- Jesse Stay
OK Jesse I'm listening. I know Google is ranked 1 by Alexa and Facebook is ranked 2. I know Facebook is a monster and a platform. Are you really saying they can catch a business now selling $500m a week of Google Ads? Not a chance in hell sorry.
- Thomas Power
In fact they took a jump last month based on that report
- Jesse Stay
OK I get the platform thing. Tell me where they are going to get $500m a week of ads from?
- Thomas Power
Thomas is talking about relevance and revenue. Jesse is talking about traffic and a platform. It is easy to look backward, but what is forward?
- Louis Gray
Thomas, they're already making money off ads. Facebook is profitable.
- Jesse Stay
my primary use for facebook is a handful of games and for dragging friends to friendfeed. (say hello to my latest convert, Carol Haynes: http://friendfeed.com/carolha... )
- April Russo (app103)
Facebook has something even more powerful than Google has to profit from - the Social Graph. Wait until they have ways to profit off Facebook Connect. I predict it's coming.
- Jesse Stay
I know they're profitable but $10m a week is a long way from $500m a week. First place is 50 times ahead of second place. That takes some catching. Now if they acquire a cellphone network then you get me thinking.
- Thomas Power
Thomas I didn't say they were Google yet but they will be just as successful if not more. Their revenue is up and to the right, not declining.
- Jesse Stay
couldn't Google provide a Social Graph in one day from user logins?
- Thomas Power
Facebook credits are also about to launch
- Jesse Stay
Thomas, Google has tried - no one wants to use it. They have Orkut, iGoogle, Gmail, Friend Connect, plenty of opportunities.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, at 300MM users that's not even showing a 50% usage rate, I think it would be interesting to see what the user retention is currently. I'm one of those uniques but I'm only there at most once a week.
- Jimminy
Yes I agree they are VERY successful. But they are not holding my attention as a user. Mainly because of this silly 5000 (we haven't got enough servers) friends limit.
- Thomas Power
Thomas, that's fine - you're not the majority
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy, again, look at the stats - you're wrong
- Jesse Stay
Anyway, back to Mario Kart - will be back in a sec...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I was looking at the stats. They hit 300MM users in October. The compete stats, while growing, are showing only 128MM unique visitors, and that's only comparing those two numbers, it would be interesting to view their percentage over the past few years, to see if retention is going up with total user base or decreasing.
- Jimminy
I'm certainly not the majority I'm a trend setter (Ecademy 1998). I know and go where the flow is. FB's acquisition of FF has intrigued me. I want Google to have a decent rival. Clearly MS can't do it with 15 years and $15bn practice. I just want to see where oh where can FB generate $500m a week from? And believe me I WANT to see them pull if off. Murdoch believes Google's success is just newspaper theft. LOL.
- Thomas Power
Mario Kart. Sorry Jesse and there's me thinking we had something going here.
- Thomas Power
As did I, Thomas - what's wrong with Mario Kart?
- Jesse Stay
Nothing. I just ain't no computer gamer. COD is for kids (and grown up ones too).
- Thomas Power
Thomas, neither am I, but this is a ton of fun! :-)
- Jesse Stay
Nothing wrong with Mario Kart. Got a friend that wrote an online multiplayer version. Unfortunately nobody can play it any more since it requires the microsoft jvm installed and nobody has that any more. http://www.htmlgamez.com/marioka...
- April Russo (app103)
LOL. Google traffic flat http://siteanalytics.compete.com/google... Facebook traffic flattening http://siteanalytics.compete.com/faceboo... There's no $500m a week business here for Facebook. Not without a cellphone network.
- Thomas Power
Coming from the CEO of one of Facebook's competitors? Hmm...I'm not going to win this one am I?
- Jesse Stay
Wow what an honour a little tiny guy like me compared to FB. I bow down to the compliment Jesse but believe me I ain't no competitor. Ecademy is 300,000 of my mates http://www.quantcast.com/ecademy... not 300 million.
- Thomas Power
Jesse, Thomas is not CEO of Ecademy, he is the Chairman. And Ecademy is not competing with Facebook. They are a social business network focused on future relationships, not like business networks that are focused on past relationships.
- Louis Gray
LG wrote this yesterday and caused a real stir http://www.ecademy.com/node.... LG is a very cheeky devil. And he knows it too.
- Thomas Power
Aren't you 3 years too early to say you were wrong?
- Andy Bakun
Ecademy needs to get a Facebook Connect integration then :-)
- Jesse Stay
Andy what you are referring to? And Jesse coming next month.
- Thomas Power
Thomas, just wait until your users can buy things on Ecademy.com with Facebook credits :-)
- Jesse Stay
hey now you're talking Jesse. Tell us more how that would work? Hat and eating is coming to mind.
- Thomas Power
Thomas, Andy was referring to LG's claim that within 5 years Facebook would be on the outs, just 2(nearly 3) years ago.
- Jimminy
Thomas, it's already in production for a few apps - see my article here: http://staynalive.com/article... - now just wait until every Connect-enabled site has access to this. Add that to a more open search than Facebook has currently, their existing ad revenue, an ad platform for Facebook Connect, and more - you've got a serious revenue stream there.
- Jesse Stay
It will work. To understand why it would, one only has to read the full article here, paying attention to the end of it where he states what is needed for a full scale success of a micropayment system and why others have failed. http://www.donationcoder.com/Article...
- April Russo (app103)
Thank you Jimminy. Jesse sorry this is my first time on your blog. Brilliant. Alexa rank 118,217 versus 53,308 for LG. Scobleizer has you both whipped at 22,006. I really like your blog thanks for the link.
- Thomas Power
Thank you Thomas - I'm not really trying to go for traffic, but I appreciate when others appreciate what I write.
- Jesse Stay
Hey Jesse c'mon "the winner of the game is the one with all the names". Zuckerberg has won round two. Traffic counts. Yahoo won round one.
- Thomas Power
BTW, keep in mind that Zynga has 250 million users (or so) - just wait until they integrate Facebook credits into their Farmville and other apps
- Jesse Stay
Oooh those are BIG numbers. Who owns Zynga? Or should I say who will own Zynga?
- Thomas Power
and remember Facebook has an Ads API as well - they haven't even begun promoting that as a Connect possibility
- Jesse Stay
Thomas, I think Zynga owns Zynga :-)
- Jesse Stay
just off for my bran flakes http://bit.ly/6Fs6xK
- Thomas Power
Almost makes me want to become a facebook app developer...but I don't like the idea of putting all my eggs in one basket and relying on the health of a 3rd party site. If/when facebook goes belly-up, it would take all my apps with it.
- April Russo (app103)
Here's the Ads API (in beta right now): http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index...
- Jesse Stay
April, that's not happening for a long time if it does happen
- Jesse Stay
If you're really looking for the future, check out what Kynetx is doing: http://kynetx.com - you should build for that platform. That's the future (and I predict Facebook will also join this standard)
- Jesse Stay
Yeah well there is also the issue of playing by someone else's rules. I have never been one that likes to do that. I like making my own rules.
- April Russo (app103)
April, that's the pain of any 3rd party platform, yes. Look at Kynetx if you don't want to play by others' rules
- Jesse Stay
I'll have to take a closer look at that when I have some free time to devote to it. (January, things will slow down some for me)
- April Russo (app103)
Like Andy said, you have almost 3 years to call this one. 3 internet years. Stuff happens in that time.
- Andrew Smith
Very cool of Louis to engage in this bit of self-analysis and self-criticism (reminds me a bit of Andrew Sullivan's thoughtful introspection regarding his former enthusiasm for the Iraq War). But LG may still be right in the long term.
- Sean McBride
So I finally tried Wave... - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009...
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Re: Keep A Close Eye on Chris Messina for the Web's Future - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
"Twitter has lists now?"
- Louis Gray
Re: Keep A Close Eye on Chris Messina for the Web's Future - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
"Chris, happy to highlight your work. I know it didn't serve as a thorough bio, but I had notes in my blogging "to do" list responding to your "Death of the URL" article as well as that with proposed updates to microsyntax for some time. Looking at these to do items, I considered folks should just be checking out _all_ of your stuff, and so I pointed them your way. Your comments on never working for a "big" company but working "with" them is critical. Being embedded in the Web can make many of these monolith-like companies seem very personal and accessible, and the social elements are accelerating this process. Thanks for your help."
- Louis Gray
Re: Keep A Close Eye on Chris Messina for the Web's Future - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
"Mark, happy to help. I added the phrase "mortals vs. portals", so you now owe me a nickel if you use it in the future. One big shiny nickel."
- Louis Gray
Re: Keep A Close Eye on Chris Messina for the Web's Future - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
"Sam, thanks for your notes and suggestions. I know my two handfuls list didn't include everyone. Of note, I was first to write about John Panzer's Salmon, and I did think about Joseph Smarr as well. I just wrote up Eran Hammer-Lahav's comments on OAuth 2.0 this Thursday. I had responses to Chris' latest work in my "to do" list for some time and realized it just made sense to follow the guy outright!"
- Louis Gray
Watch Out Foursquare, Facebook is Poised To Dominate Geo - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
A Saturday Post: Media In Crisis: I'm Thankful For Being Here Right Now... - http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt...
Living in the Cloud and Google OS - http://justinrlevy.com/2009...
In defense of bloggers - http://bijansabet.com/post...
Social Media 2010 – What is On the Horizon? - http://www.roundpeg.biz/2009...
Thomas Power liked this
The day after Thanksgiving has been crisp and cool. Great fall weather for taking the twins out for a stroll.
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Lots of exploring to do!
- Anne Bouey
that is what happens from eating so much turkey... you get tired :D
- Mike Chelen
awww
- pea ♥..!..♥..!..♥
I love that 2nd photo!
- Anika
It’s Not Easy Being Popular. 77 Percent Of Facebook Fan Pages Have Under 1,000 Fans - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
What are Google’s real motivations behind Chrome OS? - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
Ken Stewart | ChangeForge, Chris Rogers, Daniel Rowley and Joel Webber liked this
I wonder if this isn't overthinking the problem a bit. This market has been untapped for ages. I had to buy a 13" MacBook for my family because there wasn't anything else that fit the bill. As time goes on, I just want machines that take less and less time to deal with. OSX is almost there: as long as I have a time-machine backup, I can wipe and reinstall. Chrome OS just takes it one step further.
- Matt Mastracci
(disclaimer: I have practically no direct involvement with ChromeOS. These are just my thoughts). I think Vijay's analysis is pretty reasonable. It is in Google's best interest (and I think everyone's, with the exception of those selling proprietary OSs) that people not be locked to particular devices. The web may be far from perfect, and we have a lot of work to do to make it a full competitor to native apps, but it's our best bet to get away from the proprietary silos of decades past.
- Joel Webber
SeeTheStats.com: Make your Google Analytics Public - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...
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this is going to be controversial it's safer to use these guys http://www.quantcast.com/top-sit...
- Thomas Power
I do use Quantcast. I don't mind the push for openness, however.
- Louis Gray
I don't mind the push but the world remains paranoid. Google share very little and they are No1. What does that tell you?
- Thomas Power
One of the ad networks I use actually publicly publishes various website stats, including daily traffic history, country of origin, top referring sites for the week, top sites of the day, current bids on ad boxes, and bidding history, and a listing of other ad boxes available on all my sites, all in the name of transparency. (Project Wonderful) I think this would greatly compliment that.
- April Russo (app103)
Keep A Close Eye on Chris Messina for the Web's Future - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Robert Scoble, Thomas Power and 5 other people liked this
It's sad but I think Google is helping facilitate the death of the URL using site hierarchy search results. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
- Andrew Smith
Innovators always come before early adopters - many of those you list are the innovators whose technology early adopters will be trying later on.
- Jesse Stay
BTW, 2 names I would add to your list: Craig Burton and Phil Windley
- Jesse Stay
Even Ev Thinks I Should Unfollow Everyone - http://www.bitrebels.com/geek...
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I have started something new: Following without following, using twitter's list feature to do it. I am putting people on lists without following them till I am sure I really want them to have the ability to DM me. Most of the people that I was following that were not following me back have also been placed on lists and I have unfollowed them and just use the lists to keep up to date with their tweets. That means I have unfollowed about 400 people since the introduction of the lists feature.
- April Russo (app103)
Newspapers Aren’t Aged News – They’re TiVoed News, The iPods Of News! - http://daggle.com/newspap...
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