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The FriendFeed Orgasm And Why It Is Off The Mark » David Risley - http://www.davidrisley.com/2008...
No offense, but it looks like the author's having a similar reaction to FriendFeed as his reaction to Twitter. No matter when he got into it (early or later in the service's life), how long has he been using Twitter? And how long FF? FF just hasn't been around long enough for him to get used to it. Which is fine; tech takes time to prove its utility. - Brent Newhall
LOL at the title - TranceMist
Although I agree with the concern about FF claiming comments that would have otherwise been posted to the originating site, the complaint about repetition is just a symptom of self-entitled laziness. Just skip over the redundancies and stop expecting everyone to do everything for you. - Akiva Moskovitz via Alert Thingy
Oh, puhleeeeze. Bloggers want comments? Sure, ego-tripping and ad-money driven bloggers care about the volume. Real bloggers care about the content / value. And if you can't use the various features that let you reduce what is "noise" to you, let it be. I don' - Alex von Halem
Alex: I agree with you. - Robert Scoble
bad finger! went and hit the return key, before you were supposed to. Anyways... I meant to say: I don't care WHERE the discussion takes place as long as it does. And FF is good for aggregating stuff from different places, so why would I want to limit discussion to my own blogs? - Alex von Halem
My opinion on fractured comments has already been well documented, and my bookmarking does not endorse the author's conclusion. :-) - Louis Gray
Sounds like David misses the mark to me -- are we the lost ones or are the skeptics not giving Friendfeed the props it deserves? - Shey
From post: "I had some well-known bloggers commenting on my story. Scoble. Louis Gray. Others. But, those comments were on FriendFeed! I’d MUCH rather have those guys here on my blog." Yeah, there's a replay of the fractured comments angle. I still say this: FriendFeed comments are likely those you would never have gotten on your blog. Enjoy the new source of comments! - Hutch Carpenter
Way off base in article content. But the article title ROCKS. Grabs you. :-) - Mitchell Tsai
Hutch: I refuse to comment over on that article out of principle. But here? Heheheh. - Robert Scoble
The real solution is for blog software to notice FF comments and link to them. - Kenneth LeFebvre
I find it so much quicker and handy to comment on friendfeed. Discussions in blog comment sections are awful, with @31 here and "To the guy 4 comments above" there. I want more comments on friendfeed than my blog, because I want a conversation, not praise / ego boosters. - Matt Harwood
Kenneth: Disqus does just that. - Robert Scoble
No offence but its silly to claim that only ego-tripping and ad-money driven bloggers care about having comments on their blog. People want the FF comments on their blog because a great part of their readership might not be using Friendfeed. For example, this discussion on FF is great but the non-FF users will probably not see it (unless they click over and browse around). And so the blogger and his/her readers lose out on a potentially enriching discussion. - Maki
It's the way of the web. Comments will just be further dispersed, reaching places you never knew were there. For me, I see that as inevitable and very exciting. - Alex Williams
Robert: Yet one more reason to move my Wordpress blog to another server... :) Wordpress.com won't support plugins like that. - Kenneth LeFebvre
@Maki just import a FF feed onto your blog and all is good. - Alex von Halem
My comment on the post: The noise level is really high and the echo chamber effect is definitely a problem. However, all of these are just side effects because every aggregation of the same item is necessary to some extent. Some people hide all Twitter items. That's ok, get it through to them through Google Reader or your blog posts. As for the echo chamber effect, stop following so many A-listers or just don't follow people in the same circles because you'll get everyone's news from one person if you're choose wisely. - Corvida
I wonder if he's a little annoyed that there's more than 2x as many comments here than on his blog post? - Shey
@Alex and Scoble. Post back to the blog itself out of respect and common courtesy. I know it's a pretty foreign concept for some, but it's "the nice thing to do." There's nothing wrong with carry on here on Friendfeed, but at least inform the author of something if you have something to contribute. Not everyone is a Friendfeed junkie! - Corvida
[commenting here just because I want to be able to go back to this discussion later] ;) - Aviv
@Corvida I'm assuming you're responding to me and not Alex Williams (?). Good point. Tedious. But I'll go back to the OP and post my original comment there. This does throw up an interesting question, though. Does a blog poster have a right to be responded to at his own "location". Do journalists do that? (!) - Alex von Halem
I just realized posting there means I have to go back there to see what else develops. Now there's the value of FF. - Alex von Halem
It's just more convenient to comment here but people will still click through to the blog entry. - Morton Fox
Corvida: no. It's not my responsibility to make the blogger/journalist aware of where I'm talking about him or her. And, if they aren't already watching their referer log anyway to see where traffic is coming from, then they probably don't care anyway. FriendFeed is driving a lot of traffic now. - Robert Scoble
@corvida donate $ when you utilize open source software, it's "the nice thing to do". (people who say they do pirate PS/music, lies). If people (including the bloggers) want in on the conversation then they need to go get in on it. It's easy to see how bloggers *expect* that some ethical guideline should be drawn whereby the conversation's obligation is to seek out the blogger... it's an issue of complex as well as a rehashed debate. it boils down to debating freedom of speech. that's an impossible fight. - Matt Shaulis
Sometimes it scares me when I agree with Scoble. People wanting to control things they can't control is nothing new. Besides what kind of fool of a writer do you have to be to NOT want so many people talking about what you wrote that it is impossible to participate in all the conversations it generates? - Robert Seidman
The irony is thick. I bash FriendFeed for the noise level and today it is sending a lot of traffic to my blog. FriendFeed does certainly drive traffic. - David Risley via twhirl
More of my thoughts on this here: http://shegeeks.net/self-in... - Shey
David: why wouldn't it drive traffic? All the cool kids are hanging out here with our fingers on the mouse button, looking for interesting stuff to read. More fun than hanging out at TechMeme. - Robert Scoble
David: Your blog is now saved by 208 people at Del.icio.us. :-) I added one more. --- Sometimes it's the conversation you generate (and not whether anyone agrees with you)... - Mitchell Tsai
Part of being a blogger is stoking the flames. I did that today in order to show that FriendFeed isn't perfect. Robert Scoble, you not posting a comment on the post "out of principle" is childish. FriendFeed'ers, don't stick your nose up in the air and be cocky just because somebody questions your medium. FriendFeed IS nice. But, it is NOISY. - David Risley
David: it's not childish. I wouldn't have even known about your blog if it weren't for FriendFeed. Oh, and now you're adding to the noise. It's so beautiful, don't you think? Thank you! If you don't want noise, go read Google News or the New York Times. - Robert Scoble
I'll second that, Robert. I would never even have heard of this blog, had it not been for FF. I guess we all just ahve to lose a bit of our vanity to succeed in the information age. - Alex von Halem
@Robert Scoble Google News and the New York Times have probably even more noise, because you have no or just little control, you get a piece of everything. FriendFeed is much less noisy. @Topic: The article is pretty stupid link-bait. After playing just a little bit with the "hide"-controls, FriendFeed is very usable. I stopped using Twitter actively because of the crazy amount of noise. - sebmos
Mitchell Tsai: Yeah, I know. That was kind of the idea in this case. - David Risley
Robert: I'm a blogger. I'm all about the noise. But, that same noise is why FriendFeed is only going to appeal to people like you and me. Our business is about the noise. We're a little different. For people following FriendFeed Twitter-style, it is NOISY. Really noisy. It's beautiful like a stampede. :) - David Risley
David: there are ways coming to look at only the signal. Already I'm noticing that posts that have more than two comments are usually pretty good signal. Or, more than two likes. Or, posts that have more than two likes and more than two comments are REALLY high signal. Certainly higher signal and less noise than most other places I hang out on the Internet. - Robert Scoble
I say this all the time, but maybe it can help you David. Try filtering by service, or clik on Scoble's comments link http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... or Louis Gray's, etc. There are a couple of features like these that can help you with the noise. - Alejandro
I don't think that FriendFeed being "Noisy" really detracts from the experience. Twitter is "Noisy" when you have too many friends and that issue might need to be addressed. I agree that some more features should be put into place to detract from the noise but if you dislike the noise so much I believe there are plenty of measures currently in place to cut it down enough (for now). The issue of not commenting on blog posts is something I agree with Scoble on. I don't think it's the commenters responsibility - Brandon Titus
I wrote a blog post about this one, so we'll have some more incoming: http://scobleizer.com/2008... - Robert Scoble
... wouldn't it be really funny if I deleted this entry now? :-) - Louis Gray
haha Louis. But that will just encourage him to write a new post about how much traffic and conversation this sent his way. Of course he'll probably do that anyway. Ah, linkbait! - Robert Seidman
Great title, I can see this as generating the most interest today! I read the Shegeeks article and see from the comments Scoble has one up as well. I don't really agree with David's comments especially about it sucking for bloggers! - Joe Dawson
Seidman: Would you ignore such a thing? Seriously. I'm just saying. - David Risley
Scoble, nice touch linking to the FriendFeed entry rather than the blog post itself. Is your nose elevated about 27 degrees into the air? Otherwise, good post, though. - David Risley
David: and every single one of them will click over and check out your post too. Point made. Did you notice that most people are commenting here and not on my own blog? I go where the conversation is. - Robert Scoble
Scoble: Agreed. However, I thought linking to bloggers is kind of an etiquette thing. It would have never occurred to me to link to this rather than the post which generated the conversation in the first place. - David Risley
BTW, one thing I'll credit FriendFeed for as well...it certainly cut through the noise and has you and I speaking. Couldn't do that on Twitter. Are you coming to Gnomedex again this year? - David Risley
David: I wanted my readers to see the conversation that's happening in both places. I guess you didn't read Steve Gillmor's "links are dead" piece. I used to be disappointed that people didn't link to me either. I got over it. - Robert Scoble
ha, it really is Adult FriendFeed. - edythe
Admittedly I found it overwhelming but the more I use FF the more I like it. It should only get better. - Gabriel Nijmeh
The author guy is very defensive per his calling Mr. Scoble snobby. - Mike Reynolds