I was going to say something about how that isn't the case for me until someone just did subscribe. - Trevor
For those early adopters on Twitter, it's likely there's a 2:1 ratio of Twitter to FriendFeed. For those of us weighted the other way, it's 2:1 in favor of FriendFeed. - Louis Gray
When I was on Twitter for four months I only had 2,000 followers. In the same time on FriendFeed I've gotten to 15,000 followers. - Robert Scoble
Yeah? Well I have one MILLION followers here. HA! Not only that, but I have 42 *billion* on BrightKite, 18 million on Pownce, 3.14159 million on Plurk, 1.1 million on hoozurdaddy, 321,000 on webtooohhhhfriendme.com......... - Adam Lasnik
Adam: you should meet Tom over on MySpace. He has millions of friends. You guys could start a club! - Robert Scoble
Yes, but he gets more women than I do :P. - Adam Lasnik
True empowerment comes in the culling of those you follow. - Bernie Goldbach
Rabbits like cheese. It's about as interesting at the friendfeed v. twitter debate. Time for new content. - Andy
Steve Gillmor, at breakfast today, said "it's a slow news year." This is just another example of that. :-) - Robert Scoble
Yeah, Andy! Let's talk about Digg, Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft instead :D - Adam Lasnik
Mike: it's about time for the Mac vs. Windows meme to come back yet again. :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert, at this point I'll take Mac vs. Windows over FF vs. Twitter. Bring it on! - Mike Doeff
The FriendFeed versus Twitter debate reminds me of those old Miller Lite commercials... Tastes Great! Less Filling! - Mike Doeff
sometimes you have to tell your readers what's interesting so later on they know what's going on. - michael arrington
Sure you do, but count up the number of twitter v. FF posts lately. Between commenting on the amount of downtime, who is better, the founders being the next "bill gates" and a plethora of other commentary - think enoughs, enough. Simple. :D - Andy
Michael, can you tell me why you banned me on TehcCrunch? I was never abusive to you or to your readers on TechCrunch! I know I said some negative things about you on Social Media networks but it was constructive criticism and not an attack on you or TechCrunch! You never said anything about me negatively in public so I am not targeting you! TechCrunch is your blog so you have a right to who you want to post there, but if you want 2 be seen as an open minded person u should allow all type of criticism on TC - Igor The Troll
My FF/Twitter follow ratio is 10/1 for some reason ;) - Paul Buchheit
Paul this might be the first time I've seen you comment about the FF/Twitter notes (but I may just not follow these conversations enough). Everyone loves to compare the two, but for you/ founders, what's the actual vision for FF? It doesn't seem to me to really be a twitter competitor at all, where, as I said before, Twitter is about quick, fleeting messages, while FF fosters permanent discussion centered around your content pulled in from anywhere you exist online. - David Adewumi
That's correct David. I just thought it would be funny to add my more lopsided ratio to the discussion. - Paul Buchheit
more interesting: what percentage of visitors to your blog use IE vs. FireFox? I recently checked analytics on one of my sites and it was 65% FF :-) - Andy Sternberg
it's good to see you have a sense of humor about it, even if everyone else takes it so seriously... - David Adewumi
Honestly, what does Twitter offer me that Friendfeed doesn't already take care of? The benefit of twitter was the ability to have mass conversations and those are near impossible. FF is so much easier to track. - tsudohnimh
I'll tell you a BIG difference: friendfeed seems to take itself very seriously. This can help facilitate a certain type of conversation, which has its place. I feel like twitter gives me space to say whatever I want, without it falling flat. - rambn
i don't see why it's one or the other. they both work in different ways and have a different reach. twitter can perhaps work to enhance friendfeed. it doesn't work so much the other way around, as friendfeed just offers more flexibility not to mention the ability to write more than a limited amount of words like i'm doing now. - Cee Bee
Cee Bee, I'm guessing if you play a lot of zero-sum games, you tend to see the world as one "x vs. y" after another... - Karim
I agree that the Twitter dudes are too lax at sensing user dissatisfaction. The relaxed California attitude, (Twittering about soy lattes after being down all week), is foolish. And the arrogance of listening to their $15,000,000 VC friends telling them 'don't worry about current defections, there will be a crowd there when you get there', is equally foolish. It was the excellent attitude of the original shop 2 years ago, that got them here. - Ed Shaz/NextInstinct
Man let this whole FriendFeed vs. Twitter thing go! They don't even compete in the same space. FriendFeed has a completely different objective. FriendFeed benefits from Twitters or other services. I can't believe you are even comparing the 2. I'm getting tired of all these Twitter vs. FriendFeed comparisons. The more people who join Twitter, FriendFeed doesn't care, in fact it benefits. FriendFeed is like those multi-service instant messaging clients. - Michael Narciso
rambn: Twitter gives you the space to say whatever you want without anyone listening. :-) It's no place to have a conversation. Half life of conversations on Twitter are about four minutes. On FriendFeed? A conversation can go on for hours. - Robert Scoble
BUT!!! One of the real ills of society, indeed the latest generations, is the lack of staying power and loyalty. A shallow, superficial, impatient human condition serves none of us well. There are terrific hardworking inspired people inside Twitter. And perhaps Evan, Biz, and Jack had to shut out the signal for the noise, But they do need a better sense of reality. This ain't new. - Ed Shaz/NextInstinct
Robert, in other words FriendFeed is like a newsgroup or forum conversation...but feels broader in cross-section. Twitter is more positional - people do not converse, they simply state positions. - Craig Thomler
how many of those followers on FF are overlapped with followers on Twitter though? I know Im one of them, relatively late to the twitter game but got on to FF fairly quickly after it launched. - Devlin Dunsmore via twhirl
I think it shows more of a trend in which twitter was an early entrant and the space slowly took off whereas FF joined the space after services like twitter paved the way. - Devlin Dunsmore via twhirl
oddly, I've never been a big Delicious user until I started using FF, so now I use it as a way to share things I find. It has undoubtedly though been damaged by Yahoo, where it has stagnated as others have innovated. The bigger question though: will Flickr share the same fate? - Duncan Riley
without question, never had a chance even if FriendFeed never was - Lou Paglia
They aren't the same thing and don't serve the same purpose IMHO. I love the two. - directeur via NoiseRiver
friendfeed is for explicit sharing, delicious is for myself, others can lookup if they are interested - Murali
seems like ff adds strong motivation to take action in services where you would not have in the past.. in order to bring the content back here. like every button in other social sites is now a ff share button - Travis Parsons
Murali - I agree, that's how I use ff and del.icio.us. I wonder if that's how most others do too...? - Sonciary Honnoll
Delicious is much more about explicit action. Take for instance their resistance to auto suggesting tags in the beginning. Where FriendFeed is more about capturing the actions you take about the web and consolidating them without any extra ongoing effort on the part of the user. - Caleb Elston
the "social" aspect of delicious is greatly enhanced through the use of friendfeed (or in my case in addition to another site like diggo as well). as is, delicious has a big barrier in trying to make those "connections" between users personal in any way. - Cee Bee
@Travis: That's a good point. I've found myself trying to keep a balance of services, so I use more than I usually would. And the good thing is that everything you do on those services comes back to FF - you share wherever you are. - Cyvros/fyc
Off topic, but picking up from Duncan Riley's comment re Flickr. Just in case Flickr dies a slow death, are there any real alternatives to it? - Paul Rees
If everyone from MS liked working at Google, I think that would be a worse sign for Google :). A good company should repel the wrong people as much as it attracts the right people (not that I know anything about this one guy in particular). - Paul Buchheit
Everyone has different values and, as Paul says, no place can be right for everyone. As I mentioned last week, this guy's values are pretty different from my own, judging from this excerpt: "I need to know that the code is useful for others, and the only way to measure the usefulness is by the amount of money that the people are willing to part with to have access to my work." - Kevin Fox
Ah, it seems like this topic was already discussed here. Should have figured :) - Bindu Reddy
Another possible way to read that statement is "MS offered a boatload more money than GOOG" :). Which isn't a bad thing. I think that good engineers are underpaid in general. - Sanjeev Singh
He has a good point: when all of your products are "free", the users aren't the customers. - Gabe Schaffer
I disagree with his his code being useful only when people pay for it comment... However, I do think he has some some interesting but exaggerated points about the role of middle management/managers being very ill-defined at Google. The question is should we have any middle-mgmt in corporations and if so, how best to structure it? I am not sure I have a good answer to that question. - Bindu Reddy
Bindu: he's not saying that his code is only useful when paid for, merely that he judges its usefulness by how much people are willing to pay. That makes some sense; as a photographer I consider my best photos to be the ones people order rather than those that just get the most views on my web site. - Gabe Schaffer
He didn't say code was only useful when people paid for it. Rather, he said that the only way he knew how to *measure* the usefulness of his code was by the amount of money people were willing to pay for it. It is kind of an interesting economic question. - Karim
When I first read this post, I thought he was simply saying that Microsoft was paying him more than Google. :) - Chris White
His arguments are kind of "light". Look pretty much an afterthought. - Martin Añazco
I wonder how he came up with this observation? - "Google as an organization is not geared - culturally - to delivering enterprise class reliability to its user applications." - Edward Ho
Those types of statements seem like a classic case of denial by an established player being disrupted by a new competitor. They'll keep telling themselves that Google can't "deliver enterprise class reliability", and meanwhile their business will be eaten from below. (not that MS reliability is all that anyway, but obviously they think it is, and need some way to rationalize a lot of heavyweight process) - Paul Buchheit
One year seems a short time to fully understand the culture, particularly since it seems he was moved around (different projects, managers). I'm no Google fan-boy, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of there there. Seems more like he didn't like customer facing 'cool' product development. - AJ Kohn
Google is just like any other company in that it's made up of employees, many of whom have different opinions. This guy decided it wasn't the place for him. The media picks it up because they are bored with the "Google is great" stories, and are looking for some "Google sucks" stories. It's all kind of boring really. - Chris White
Not sure how much I'd pay for Gmail but I would pay heck of a lot more than for Hotmail. - Philipp Lenssen
AJ: a "customer" is somebody who buys something. I've never bought anything from Google, and neither have most of its users. Presumably this guy prefers to work on products where the customer is the user. It's like working for a cable station like Showtime instead of a commercial network like Fox. - Gabe Schaffer
That's a pretty limited view Gabe. If anything, Google cares about their users more than MS, because enterprise purchasing decisions are made by IT managers and not end users. MS is failing at search because the end users don't like their product and are continuing to abandon it. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, nobody ever said that Google cares less about customers, just that there is a fundamental difference in writing software where the user pays for it and software where the user does not pay for it. Of course a lot of MS software isn't paid for by the user because it came preloaded or was purchased by their employer, but somebody is still paying for it. In this guy's mind, that means it's good. I certainly care more about which of my photos get the most orders versus which get the most views. - Gabe Schaffer
@Gabe: I don't agree with your definition of a customer being someone who buys something. Blog readers are customers. You are a customer of FriendFeed. If you get utility out of a product, you are a customer. The strength of that relationship could be marked by how much you pay, but you are a customer nonetheless IMO. - AJ Kohn
Gabe, you personally may feel differently based on who pays, but what matters the most in product terms is who chooses, not who pays, because that is the person who has to be satisfied. For Google and Apple, the end user chooses the product, and for MS it's typically someone in IT, and that reality is reflected in their product decisions. - Paul Buchheit
Ideas are like good people. The Right People have good ideas , that needs to fit into the ideology of a corporation. Just like right people need to fit into the right culture. There is the fine difference between good and right.. watch the words and the way that we think about such things.. its important :)- - Peter Dawson
Paul, I think you are right when you say it sounds like "Innovator's Dilemma" denial, but I'm not sure the reliability observation should be dismissed on those grounds. I still think ISPs that have an older telco background (e.g. Verizon) have much better reliability cultures than those that don't (e.g. Comcast). While Google services have always been very reliable for me, I've also seen more than one FF thread in the last few days from people having problems with them... That *can* matter. - Karim
That *can* matter. - @Karim - it will matter when yo pay for it .. till then it really does not pinch its just an inconvenience only - Peter Dawson
I don't know about yours, AJ, but my dictionary defines customer as "One that buys goods or services." I consider myself to be a FriendFeed user, or possibly consumer or patron -- but definitely not a customer. This guy's problem with Google is that while their products (a few of them) are highly popular, they are not highly valuable. He wants to work on a product that has measurable value, so he has to work for some place that charges for their products. Maybe one day micropayments will become easy and I can pay Google per search, but in the mean time Google isn't that valuable to me. - Gabe Schaffer
@Gabe: Dictionary version of customer is too narrow. Splitting hairs on user, consumer, patron IMO. Should I assume that you'll no longer use Google search or Gmail or anything else that is free? I view value as the utility you derive from that product, not strictly purchases of goods and services. Clean air is valuable, any of the free search engines are valuable. Wouldn't the logical extension of your argument be to equate value of a profession to salary. I find teachers valuable, but not based on salary. - AJ Kohn
The definition may be splitting hairs, but to this guy it's an important distinction. He didn't want to work at Google anymore in part because he wanted to work for a company that sells a product to its users (which by definition makes them customers). It doesn't mean that he didn't want to work on user-facing products; it means that he wanted to work on paying-user-facing products. And I use Google's products particularly because they have no value (i.e. they're free). - Gabe Schaffer
Okay, I totally grok that Google may be a good job fit for some, not for others (and so, too, Microsoft). But this value/no-value thing has me totally confuzzled. Dude, Gabe... if products have "no value" then why on earth would you use them? Clearly they have value to YOU, and clearly they have value to Google, or Google wouldn't offer them. This isn't radical new think, it's just different types of value! :-) - Adam Lasnik
He says Google produces products that wastes people's time and he then goes on to use it to explain the rationale behind one of the important decisions of his life. Yeah, right!! Also, with his philosophy, he can only work at Microsoft and nowhere else. - Krish
Sorry, Adam, I tend to think like an engineer. A value is some quantity; in this case it's something's price -- not to be confused with worth, which is how much you're willing to pay for something. For example, an old silver dollar might be worth $50, but its value is only $1. - Gabe Schaffer
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree re: the definition(s) of value, but now I can better see where you're coming from. - Adam Lasnik
His is one way to measure the value of software. This week I was thinking about a different, larger cost that the user is willing to pay to use software: the amount of time she spends using it, multiplied by the value of time (e.g. her salary). That number is usually a lot more than what the user would have paid for the software in $, and I try to minimize it, because really my job is to get users what they want, not to use up their time getting it. Probably the most valuable thing, though, is to maximize the value you provide, and to try to measure that directly. - j1m
Got an error! Nooo! "The FriendFeed API retuend a 403 (Forbidden) for that request. It is possible that FF To Go is being rate limited" - Bwana McCall
Yup; I'm getting a 403 now...which means it's being rate limited. - Benjamin Golub
I got this working for NoiseRiver as of yesterday :) I tell you folks: entries deletion and undeletion are coming too... they just aren't as stable as me and Ben want them to be :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
Ben, It works fine for me! These methods use authentication --you know that - directeur via NoiseRiver
It's possible that the FriendFeed team might not have meant for us to start using these API calls...if so I'm sorry FF. - Benjamin Golub
I'm sad if it's the case. I was playing with them since yesterday and even deletion worked and then it stopped... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Yes, you're right... it's now throwing 403 errors on NoiseRiver too :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
What is fftogo? The site doesn't have an about page. - Bjorn Tipling
Hide disabled until it becomes more stable/official; I'll enable it again later, promise! - Benjamin Golub
I'm sorry Ben, it worked for me since yesterday this is why I told you it was stable... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Doesn't friendfeed have a mobile version? They definitely have an iphone version. - Bjorn Tipling
No mobile version other than the iPhone version. - Benjamin Golub
perhaps it would be useful in the meantime to implement an individual entry hide implementation separate from the official FF hide? should be trivial because NoiseRiver is already filtering/hiding by keyword and fftogo should be easy to add a filter for entry ids per user. also would be easy to filter services and users/services, too. the foaf stuff gets a bit complicated, though. when (if?) the hide APIs are added officially, it should be easy to sync/transfer the hidden entries back to FF. - David Vasileff
David: You're actually right. Implementing "my" own version of hide should be easy and very doable for NoiseRiver. But I think that it would be in vain for two reasons: 1) I discovered almost by coincidence that "(un)hide" and "(un)delete" features are coming to the API and I integrated them to NoiseRiver and told Ben and Patrick (the guy behind MioNiews) about them. Alas it's as we may see very soon to be used. We're waiting for the official release so we can really use them. 2) Implementing our hiding won't be better than the FriendFeed Api's one because filtering from the source is always better than filtering before the display. - directeur via NoiseRiver
directeur, I agree with your point. I don't know if users are craving hide but if they were and APIs weren't going to be available for a while and it was a barrier to user adoption, it's something to consider. in any case, I think there is merit in having ability to hide separate from FF, perhaps more with fftogo, where mobile users might want to hide rich media posts or hide entries with lots of comments on mobile but still have them display on friendfeed.com - David Vasileff
this is what you get when you follow a link in a times article online instead of the expected behavior of taking you to the actual topic website. a complete user experience peeve of mine. - rob zand
I heard a podcast where someone said "The best anti-virus is your own common sense and, your own instinct." I've stuck to that rule. Even if it's a tinyurl from someone I know or follow on Twitter/FF I am still wary about it if the message preceding the link looks wonky. - Candace Holly
I agree, programs are good for the ones you miss but use your head, it can't catch them all, like never open a E-mail thats is named "You've Won!" if you haven't even enterd a contest. - Jaithas
I *think* that statement came from Mac Break Weekly but don't quote me on it. - Candace Holly
I get irritated when people do dumb things. When ever clients ask me about AV, my patent response is to not do anything dumb on the internet. - Tim Wright
snipurl.com has been doing this for ages. - Zoli Erdos
cyndy, cyndy, cyndy is that an unfriendly tinyurl? didn't you read gray's documentary about the importance of using actual tinyurl's now? cmon! - Allen Stern
No, I am Spartacus... er, I mean Louis! - Mark Trapp
Allen, I'm way beyond trying to tell Cyndy how to run her online life. She's a unique individual who goes against the grain. This is her rebellion. - Louis Gray
Well clearly Cyndy, by the laws of transitiveness and syllogism, I am, in fact, Louis Gray. I'll be expecting the AdSense check in the mail. - Mark Trapp
Thanks Mark - really the community here at FriendFeed helped me write that one... - Hutch Carpenter
hrm shel should be shot for making a mistake like that - Allen Stern
Mark, if you are really Louis, you don't get AdSense. You are above that whole crass monetization of a blog business. - Cyndy
That's true, I am Louis Gray, I know this! - Mark Trapp
Wow this conversation is so meta. Internets r gonna implode. :P - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I don't even have to be awake for this to happen. - Louis Gray
It's like Becoming John Malkovich, only not nearly as fun. - Cyndy
"Under the new plan, parents with two kids in Google day care would most likely see their annual day care bill grow to more than $57,000 from around $33,000.
At the first of the three focus groups, parents wept openly. As word leaked out about the company’s plan, the Google parents began to fight back. They came up with ideas to save money, used the company’s T.G.I.F. sessions — a weekly meeting for anyone who wanted to ask questions of Google’s top executives — to plead their case, and conducted surveys showing that most parents with children in Google day care would have to leave Google’s facilities and find less expensive child care." - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
Strangely written -- hard to believe this is in the NYT: "Faced with this dilemma, Google decided that the way to solve the dual problems of a too-long wait list and a too-large subsidy was — are you sitting down for this? — to get rid of C.C.L.C. and make the Kinderplex more like the Woods!" - Paul Buchheit
Sergey Brin comes off as a real gem. Looks like 'don't be evil' is morphing to 'let them eat cake'. Amazing what a 40%+ drop in share price can do. - Peter Simard
I found it odd that NYT quoted Sergey multiple times but each quote was disputed by Google PR after the fact. Seems like their PR folks are trying to do some "damage control"? - Alex Barbara
$57,000 just for someone to watch your kid? Remind me to not have kids for a while.. - Alex Barbara
Slowly but surely the shine will finally come off of Google and reality will set in. - AJ Kohn
The sense of "entitlement" is pretty stunning to an outsider who is an occasional visitor. It's pretty obvious (to me) that the "gimme" attitude is going to be an albatross around Google's neck when the time comes that their stock price returns from the stratosphere and settles around something reasonable and in line with the true value of the company. - Jason Wehmhoener
Geez. I don't know one solution that didn't generate new problems as a result of its having solved an old problem. Can't win no matter what in the eyes of the media. Also, this is news-worthy enough to be in the Times? - Ginger Makela
I have no thoughts on the day care issue in and of itself but people changing "don't be evil" into "do no evil" makes me grind my teeth. http://www.google.com/search?q... - Erica Baker
@Paul, agreed -- it's a strangely written story. The writer's bias is clear. Using heresay from employees then vaguely referring to the official statements. - Sprague D
$57,000 was for two kids... and after the price reductions, it won't be that expensive. - Michael Leggett
The author feels that employee-provided day care should be a requirement just like health insurance (not sure I agree), but fails to applaud Google's effort to make it available to those that want it. A 700-child waiting list (over 2 years) is unreasonable as is Google paying a $37,000 subsidy per child. I love working at Google... and I want them to stay around. Paying that large a subsidy is irresponsible to its employees and its shareholders. - Michael Leggett
You could argue that they should just lower costs then... but the main cost is the teachers (as it should be). Google believes teachers should be paid more and I'm proud that they are putting their money where their heart is by doing just that. If you don't want to pay so much, you can always find day care else where, right? Am I missing something? - Michael Leggett
When I visited HP I noted that they don't have the coffee carts anymore that they used to have. The employees noted that other benefits had gone away too. When the high profitability phase of a company ends, the benefits usually go away. At Microsoft they tried taking away things too, like towels in locker rooms, and the employees rebelled. - Robert Scoble
wonder what is average daycare costs there, in area? - silpol
It's absolutely incredible that day care would cost more than the mean national income ($48,201 according to Wikipedia). I understand that this is Silicon Valley, and therefore not applicable to the rules of the rest of the country, but still...it's astounding. - Spinn
We were paying $21,000 a year for two kids and that was top of the line in Charlotte. In theory I like the idea of company sponsored childcare but in reality I don't want my employer to have any influence over my kids. - Lori Reed
I posted this to reddit and got on the front page :P - Bjorn Tipling
probably I have to stop bitching about local tax - I pay monthly for not-full-day at kindergarten in about 100 meter from my house about 130 EUR, for full day it might reach 200 EUR/month max, i.e. annually 2400 EUR (~3600 USD)... hmmmmmmm - silpol
"Google can’t just have low teacher-child ratios — it has to have the lowest of anybody." - Shouldn't it be high teacher-child ratios? Unless they want more children to less teachers. - nadim
I had a hard time believing this was a NY Times article when I first saw it. Talks about child care at the beginning, then references a blog post talking about how Google is not a good place to work and then goes on to detail the child care issue. - Turker Keskinpala
@Michael -- $57G's .. not expensive? ... I don't even make that much in 2 years anymore .. - Steven Hodson
"If Google had really wanted to do something path-breaking about its day care crisis, it would have spent less time creating elitist day care centers and more time figuring out how to “scale” day care for everybody no matter what their salaries." - Gabe Schaffer
Even $33k for 2 kids seems like a lot -- at $16/hr it seems like you could just hire a babysitter for 8 hours a day to watch your two children. For $57k you could just hire a child psychologist full time. - Gabe Schaffer
@Steven I didn't mean it wasn't expensive. It is expensive. I meant it won't be as much as $57k. Maybe I'm not being fair... but I thought the article was bias (not invalid). It does raise some interesting issues... are companies responsible for providing child care? Something seems backwards with how we live when we work so much that we expect our employer to take care of our children. I don't know the answer... but good things to think about. - Michael Leggett
So basically by having my wife stay home and do a superb job of taking care of the kids and the house during the day she is worth about $90,000 a year. Thank you babe! You are awesome! - Christian Burns
But what about people who don't have kids, should Google pay them because they are saving the company money? And what about those people who want to have kids, but can't meet the right person, should Google pay for dating services? Google is an awesome place to work, and sometimes they go overboard. Witness the swimming in place pools with lifeguards that almost nobody used. Let's agree to compare them with other companies. It's only fair. - Chris White
hmmm... let's see, four years ago, i was making $45 000 a year before i quit to take care of my daughter full time while my wife continued her job; because it made more sense than spending my entire salary on a nanny just so i could go to work. plus i get to hang out with my kid(soon to be kids) all day and do cool stuff like help them learn the alphabet, count, play their first casual computer games, go to the park, swim, museums, etc. there's always that option. - Nathan Eckenrode
It seems like everyone has ideas on how to do this at a lower cost than Google. Maybe someone should open a competing "google" daycare near the Google campus -- from the sounds of it there would be hundreds of eager customers. - Paul Buchheit
I'm interested to see if these kids actually turn out to be uber-smart. How many of the Googlers went to intense, research-driven, daycares like these?We'll see in ten to twenty years, but at times, one has to wonder how people ever became intelligent without having the latest and greatest learning craze forced down their throat. A better indicator of their intelligence will most likely be how much learning is re-inforced (deep breath here) at home by their parents, instead of video games and TV. - David Adewumi
I'd use them more if feedly annotations ended up in some social stream system such as friendfeed. Unless i'm wrong, using them restrict the audience to your feedly-using friends ... - Erwan Arzur
Oh yes ! it didn't take more than 5 min to be proved wrong :-) thank you Louis ! - Erwan Arzur
Thanks Louis! Erwan: you are right that we need to do a better job at pushing the annotations out of the feedly walls (I know that this is something you raised a long time ago). The friendfeed integration is a step in that direction. Email+annotations is another step. We are currenlty working on similar integrations with tumblr and wordpress. Thanks for the feedback/suggestions!!! - Edwin Khodabakchian
Slick. Looking forward to the additional integration. :-) - Chris Baskind
I love the movie Pi. It's a must watch, many times. Nice tweet. - Louis Gray
I got the DVD, must have seen it 1000 times ;) Listening to the OST right now ;) They sample snippets of dialogue from the movie in many of the tracks. It's in my head all the time ;) - Mario Olckers
At one point, I had two copies of the DVD, and I gave one to my brother on his 17th birthday (it had an R rating...) I'm so nuts, I even had purchased the soundtrack before the movie was in theaters. The preview was THAT good. So, oddly, the first time I saw it in theaters, I knew the songs. - Louis Gray
If I can't get an Iphone 3G in a reasonable amount of time I'm just gonna say to hell with it and get a N96 in August, which I want more anyways - Bjorn Tipling
"Well, because FriendFeed’ers care about learning something new about the industry and not just getting entertained by the latest sensationalism." amen brother :-) - Duncan Riley
I left a comment on your blog, Robert. Feel free to move it here? - Andrew Feinberg
I am also getting a lot more of my information off of the Friendfeed, and have dropped some of my feeds - Kim Landwehr
This is precisely why you're so popular on FF. I think it's all about 'the news will find me' philosophy - Cains
Wow, you think Joost is a flop? My friend works there. :( - Bjorn Tipling
yes i think it is a major flop. no traffic, no content, no team - ouriel
ouriel - is it supposed to be ilike.com or like.com. like.com is the visual search engine by riya.com. ilike.com is not related to like.com as far as i know - Atul Arora
indeed. changing that. but the conclusion is the same - ouriel
time to realize that daily unique visitors being replaced by engagement time. Second Life is ranked third after Face book and youtube in the UK. The data for the rest of the world not available yet. - Ramesh Ramloll via twhirl
Second Life has not managed to become mainsteam whatever the metrics you look at - ouriel
actually after a second reading really dont like your analysis, comparing many different classes of online services using one metric. but the title is great, very tabloid and digg worthy - Ramesh Ramloll via twhirl
nah, not at all. Problem is Secondlife is a platform in the first place. Why not evaluate it for what it is? Compare it with Croquet, Project Wonderland or whatever..., this would be more fair - Ramesh Ramloll via twhirl
why use metrics? when is the last time you ve been there? please go take a look.. - ouriel
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Plaxo not the greatest name, IMHO. Sounds more like a pharmaceutical company. - Stephen Francoeur
Plaxo always positioned itself as a competitor to linkedin, a professional tool. Friendfeed was always an aggregator first, and people just happened to end up here, and it grew from there - Deepak
Because all the digerati that could have made Plaxo important were totally turned off by the spam attacks in the early days. - Greg Schwartz
What exactly is Plaxo Pulse trying to do? I can't figure out what their business model is. It just makes no sense to me. FriendFeed is clear cut and focused. - Jesse Stay
funny stuff ... but I wanted to get off at FF as well ... identi.ca is a station half-built :) or else at least let me off at Kwippy since I just wrote about LOL - Steven Hodson
well you have to pull the cord or something to get off Steven! - Allen Stern
Very creative dialogue. I think I'll just continue a mad hop between the various stations. - possible248
