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She's on the mirror in our house next to our front door! :) - Louis Gray

Yay! - Rochelle

since I'm decorating today, I'll be setting up a holiday card area, she'll be there! :) - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF

Congrats!! - DeWitt Clinton

Cute picture and big news! - Louis Gray

congrats! - imabonehead

Congrats! - Ruchira S. Datta

congratulations, sweet news on the FriendFeed :-) - Nimaa

Congratulations!! - Ashwin Bharambe

Congrats! - Maxamad

Congratulations, Ana and Casey! - Anne Bouey

IMHO this is not a smart move. By declining the police interviews (which is perfectly within his rights to do so) and by waiting 48 hours to make a statement, he's let the media (traditional, social, and otherwise) dictate the story. In a vacuum, people will derive what information they can. Why WAS he leaving the house at 2:30 a.m., anyways? - Glen Campbell, B.A.

Because sometimes private matters don't require public statements. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

The problem is that people, having had the situation brought to their attention, are forced to the conclusion that the reality must be much worse than the rumors. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

Thats a shocking tan line. - Giraffes Up In The AIr

The real problem is that people choose to consume (or do not speak out againgst) those companies which bring it to their attention. Again, private matter. If I was in this situation, I would be caring more about my family then the media. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Tiger is a "Brand" thus for him and his many sponsors there are NO provate matters - this whole deal was badly handled this simple statement 2 days ago was good, today not so much - WarLord

When you become a public figure; when you're earning more than a billion dollars because of your persona, it's very difficult to keep something private. When people look at this (and they will), they come to the conclusion that it is less costly to keep the rumors alive than to be truthful with what was going on. It is *not* a private matter to Buick, American Express, etc. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

So are we leaving him even half an inch of room for 'this was an argument between me and my wife, no affair' or are his only two choices 'Affair Rumours' and 'Admitting Affair'? The problem with giving a definative statement either way is the media will then comb your life for inconsistencies. If there is one thing the media (and really, the media just reflects what we let them to) love more than a superstar is a superstar with a gotcha moment. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

I'm merely making an observation—by waiting and by making such a lightweight statement, he guarantees that someone in the media will spend time and effort trying to determine the truth. His presence in a tour event or on a magazine cover sells, and he's just guaranteed that his name and image will be appearing on far more magazine covers than if he had made a statement (even a similar statement) on Friday morning rather than waiting two days and canceling three police interviews. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

I agree with Glen on that point. Now it is possible that rumors would have started anyway, but without any statement from Woods (and very little from police), there was no real information to counter them. Woods is entitled to his privacy, but sometimes that private world breaks into the public. A single-car, late night driving accident is bound to raise questions. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... If proven false has a lot more determental effect than if a rumor is proven correct. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Check out Dave Martin's take on it (he's a professional PR guy): http://twitter.com/martindave - Glen Campbell, B.A.

One thing Martin doesn't comment on... The second you deny something, even if you are completely innocent, all subsequent rumors regarding this or any other issue must be denied with the same vigor lest it raise suspicion. Short term thinking going on. Tiger hits golf balls, not deny rumors. - Johnny Worthington

what a cutie - VAL D.

so cute! - pea ♥..!..♥..!..♥

The AtomPub mailing list became substantially more productive once the name calling and personal slurs were no longer tolerated. The only people that would argue against such a thing aren't there to contribute constructively. - Joe Gregorio

@Joe - totally. And it worked out in the end for AtomPub, even though I know it was a frustrating experience at the time, and actually did cost something to get there as well. My feeling is that no amount of outright personal attacks or slurs should be tolerated. I'm actually a little surprised to hear people making an argument the other way. (But the internet is a big place, nothing should surprise me.) - DeWitt Clinton

None. In our experience (on the GWT lists), the best approach has been to gently ask people to keep things professional when they get out of line. This works 90% of the time, and helps remind people of the tone we want to maintain (particularly helpful for those who might be turned off by the assholes in question). When someone falls into the other 10%, you can remind them more sternly. We've only had to moderate one person that I can recall, and he eventually shaped up. - Joel Webber

None. - Anika

Think of it as "live email" - Paul Buchheit

The only problem I see is that advertising may not be the best way to make money from it. - Brian Sullivan

@paul, Is it correct to replace email? - Hasan Ozgan

Hasan, I don't understand your question. - Paul Buchheit

A wave-gmail integration sounds like quite the challenge. Perhaps the real-time text updates will happen and will be useful, but I can't see the conversation fragmentation of Wave being a good thing for Gmail. - Mitch

While I admire the approach of releasing something that's pre-beta, it seems there is quite a risk that people will think, "oh, I tried Wave and didn't get it," and they will not come back to it for a long time. - Laura Norvig

Laura - Google wants developers in there making cool stuff in the lead-up to the public release. If it were only developers trying out each others tools, things would be stagnant. - Mitch

I live and work in Gwave - business partner could not access wave due to inferior connections in Manchester and working in docs again was such a backward step! - Callie O Farrell

That's true, Mitchell, I forgot about all the gadgets people are developing. Also, Gina Trapani pointed out that the one interface that most of us see when we opt in to "try wave" is not the only interface available. I would love to see some samples of simpler/different interfaces. - Laura Norvig

@paul will wave ever replace email? - Hasan Ozgan

Hasan, no, it will augment email. - Paul Buchheit

The fact that Google Wave was not part of Gmail's roadmap and in fact is positioned as "the future of e-mail" was a sign to me that Google is now large enough to suffer the kind of organizational dysfunction that has done in its predecessors. As you mentioned, e-mail will be with us for a long time. It would have been better to position it as "the future of collaboration" and indicate... more... - Dare Obasanjo

Speaking of gmail-wave integration: http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Mitch

There was shortage of wave invites when it came out but now people are waiting to give wave invites. I didn't see any of my friends returning to wave after they used it once. I log into wave everyday just to see if there are any improvements. - ashish

Paul - Great insights! I too feel Wave is most suited as a team collaboration / productivity tool. The biggest hurdle is loss of context and convo structure. Once the wave team better organizes the UI, then it can go mainstream. Wave integration with gmail would be super cool and highly useful, plus it greatly would speed up user adoption. - Susan Beebe

I just posted my comment above on your blog, facebook and here - LOL :) - Susan Beebe

Mitch - cool share, thanks - Susan Beebe

"The chronological flow of the conversation is lost." That's exactly the issue. Playback tries to address it but doesn't quite. I think there are other ways to do this, that will be tried both inside and outside Google. I'm thrilled that Google didn't force the Wave team to be part of Gmail from the start, because that would have added all kinds of unnecessary constraints. This way Wave can try lots of new stuff and Gmail can adopt what sticks. - Daniel Dulitz

It's Sharepoint started from the web side instead of Office - Nick Lothian

I had assumed that at some point Google would merge Wave and Gmail. It seems the natural progression. Also, I think the linearity problem will be addressed when they can figure a way to easily mark the new replies so that you can quickly see them - maybe in some from of selectable overlay or view of the wave - Martha

Don't we think they should merge Gmail and Wave because we don't check our waves as often as our emails? What if we all had a cross-browser and mobile notification system for both Wave and email? Since I have installed the Chrome checker extensions for Wave and Gmail, the question of a merger doesn't make any sense. I can easily email and wave the same way I use Facebook, Friendfeed and... more... - Jérôme Flipo

PS: here's the Wave extension I use http://www.jeremyselier.com/entry... - Jérôme Flipo

No, I think Google should merge Gmail and Wave because many times in the middle of an email conversation I wish I had wave functionality. Because the conversation has gotten hard to understand and I want to play it back. Because different subthreads have different people on them for no good reason. Because an idea has turned into a proposal and the words aren't quite right. - Daniel Dulitz

Here's a specific type of merger I think could work. Wave "merges" with Gmail, GChat, and Docs, in that whenever you create an email/IM/doc you are creating a wave. Anyone can see that wave in its full realtime nonlinear glory from the product Wave. Any wave you have (whether started from Docs or email or...) can be seen in Wave. But Gmail, GChat, Docs, etc. provide only some functions... more... - Daniel Dulitz

@Daniel Dulitz sounds somewhat like how social networking aggregator such as friendfeed works. This way Google wave will aggregate all the activities of gmail,Gchat, docs and other "google activity" in one place. - ashish

I am not so sure about Gmail or Gchat and how you would integrate them-- as Wave seems to have similar and some cases superior functionality that supplants them but being able to collaborate on the production/editing of Google docs in real time perhaps using Google voice conferencing would be nearing a game changer. - Brian Sullivan

That would be great, Daniel. But I think it would require *a lot* of work for some teams at Google and some good explanations to users. I'm sure we'll find specific usages for Wave. Personally, I would let the service grow by itself, without complicating other services. Imagine if I start a Wave and some of my friends participate in it through Docs, some other from Gmail: many troubles... more... - Jérôme Flipo

@Dare: I disagree that Wave is evidence of organizational dysfunction (not saying there *is* not such dysfunction, but Wave certainly doesn't prove it). Whether you love it or hate it, and whether or not you think it will be successful, I believe it's evidence of a company that wants to continue to take risks and innovate in the face of organizational momentum. Why wasn't Wave part of... more... - Joel Webber

It seems like the only big issue is the non-linearity of Wave. So, instead of merging other products to offer alternative (somehow), why not let the creator/owner of a Wave choose if blips should be linear? - Jérôme Flipo

Well Paul, I also think Wave is very clever. Yet I see a few problems regarding the launch process: 1. They launched it exactly like Gmail, by reducing invitation supply & delaying invitation delivery. Yet, unlike an e-mail account and a web based e-mail client this is a collaborative tool that you can not use alone. That's the main reason most influencers and early adopters are... more... - Cem ARGUN

Regarding my proposed merger... I think part of the problem of Wave is that it has too much capability for many people, but real experts (may) like the full-on experience. So let's make everything a wave. Experts interact with those things in Wave or some other full-on experience. But people in the slow lane can interact with _the same wave_ using "views" they are more familiar with --... more... - Daniel Dulitz

Louis Gray's Social Media Outposts http://blog.louisgray.com/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

Krynsky's The Secret Sauce Behind Steve Rubel’s Lifestream Workflow and Revamp of Mine http://lifestreamblog.com/the-sec... - Keith - @tsudo

Steve Rubel's A Lifestreaming Workflow http://www.steverubel.com/a-lifes... - Keith - @tsudo

GOAL 1: The terms Outposts and Channels. To describe information containers and transport mechanisms. What are you thoughts on these terms? How would you define them? - Keith - @tsudo

GOAL 2: Identifying apps and techniques for cross posting and pulling data. - Keith - @tsudo

Concerning Apps (Goal #2) Here are a few that I'll be talking about... - Keith - @tsudo

Posterous - I'm a big fan of this service and I want to highlight the ability to post to FB/Twitter/Blog etc... esp the ability to publish to a specific service via email. - Keith - @tsudo

Selective Twitter App for FB - pull tweets with #fb - Keith - @tsudo

Linkedin Twitter integration - pull tweets with #in - Keith - @tsudo

Network Blogs App for FB - integrating RSS feed into profile or page - Keith - @tsudo

Know and Master Your Social Media Data Flow? http://blog.louisgray.com/2009... - Louis Gray

That was the other article I was looking for. Thanks Louis - Keith - @tsudo

My goal in life is to serve you, Keith. - Louis Gray

We've extended this conversation into Google Wave. Do a search, "with:public dataflow" to find us. - Keith - @tsudo

LOL, thanks Louis. Do you know if Krynsky is on wave? - Keith - @tsudo

that's what makes you the king of online Louis. - Thomas Power

Agreed! - Keith - @tsudo

Keith, I am fairly certain that Mark has a Wave account. That doesn't mean he checks it often. I haven't been. - Louis Gray

I don't either. But trying it out for this. - Keith - @tsudo

More Apps: Su.pr URL shortener for Twitter/FB shares, HootSuite Twitter/FB/LinkedIn Integration. - Keith - @tsudo

Any other apps you use for crossposting? Or sharing on multiple platforms - Keith - @tsudo

Not much knowledge with friend feed yet but this discussion moves in the direction of my needs. "Cross posting applications". How to incorporate it on my website? - Petronella du Toit

He's hardwarey and junk. - Josh Haley from iPhone

If you want to get out of it you'll have to fake a breakdown, then hire a patsy that'll allow you smash him in the face with a keyboard. Depending on who is around to witness the event you may never be asked for tech support again...Just don't overdo it. - Joe Pierce

TELL THEM NO! DID YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME TO DOORMAT WHILE I WASN'T LOOKING?! - Mo Kargas

free tech support. price: 12-pack imported ale per letter - Mike Chelen

send questions with self addressed stamped envelop to Johnny c/o The Internet. Questions will be answered in the order they were received. Please allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery. *disclaimer: Johnny and The Internet not responsible for unanswered questions. - Michael W. May

Try sending them this: http://xkcd.com/627/ - Lars Juhl Jensen

I know the feeling except now o have computers and cameras to be an expert on, sigh. I'm Gonna have to work on that face for it though. - Phill Price from iPhone

Go get one of those tshirts that says "No, I will not fix your computer". Or at least charge them for it. - Mellissa Jane

I'm in perpetual tech support hell....... (getting unlimited tea, biscuits and cakes makes up for it tho) - Roberto Bonini

Thank you for putting up this post. I'm going through the same thing. I can't decide whether to get my PHD or start working. - FunkyRose

"Lots of choices in life is about choosing one or another, and it will never be clear which was the best, and there is no "scientific" way of choosing, lots of luck are involved too." - Clare Dibble

FunkyRose, what did you take from the post? what is your field? - Clare Dibble

I'm an MBA student and I'm almost done doing my degree. - FunkyRose

In the case presented , I would pick the startup. But otherwise , I would say pick a PhD, it gets difficult to do one later in life..and its generally a rewarding learning experience. - Hari

Well technology in general really. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

OMG! What a cool grandma! - rowlikeagirl

I hope everyone has a wonderful day! Gobble! Gobble! - Anne Bouey

Happy Thanksgiving, Anne! :-)) - Anna Haro

Haooy Tday to you too - VAL D.

Happy Thanksgiving, Anne! - Holly Rae, FFer

Happy turkey day Anne!! I hope you all have a great one! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)