sofarsoShawn's review of Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche | Almost nothing fails to fall under his knife; I can see why people feel so...strongly about him. - http://www.goodreads.com/review...
I could not put this book down (literally 8 hrs straight), it's "interesting". This is his masterpiece. It's a book for everyone and no one. Umm any review could never be understood without reading it....how could I explain? Anyone else read it. It's strange. [it looks like Jansons has?]
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I've read it, years ago. I thought it was fairly good, definitely interesting. It is difficult to find it as earth shattering as it would've been when published, with so many references to ideas introduced here in so many other works, but you get a taste of that.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Yes, I found TSZ ] is where all his earlier works finally coalesced in this odd allegory, John the Baptist-like (though quite the obverse message). It's like his memoirs almost...it's REALLY personal.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
There's that, but also so much of TSZ is in various works of popular culture since, with the ideas remixed, dissected, affirmed, dismissed - it is difficult for a modern reader to come to it wholly fresh of those influences.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I see what you're getting at, but these pop culture Nietzsche-isms are aberrations of their truth. Ie nihilism the uber mensch, even with music: wagner to NIN. They don't understand at all how joyful he is. They're not what Nietzsche concluded with it all, they've picked and chosen various part but without all the parts you can't see the whole.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm responding because Shawn asked. Philosophy was my field in college, and before I became disillusioned (or simply accepted a different set of illusions, or more honestly, came to the conclusion all that is possible is illusion), I was working towards becoming a professor. That said, I have to say that I find and found Nietzsche, like all the other existentialists, to be profoundly...
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- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Thomas Ligotti is one of my favorite writers.
- Akiva
I'm actually pen-pals with him, and a few others in that circle of weird ficton authors. Just working on a reply to his last email right now, actually.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
I am reluctant after having read 'Beyond Good and Evil.' That was exhausting.
- Eivind
Eiv, don't sell yourself short, here I'll teach you, ummmm as far as I know, which isn't much :) I just have to read the aboves, here we go :D mmmmhhhhhmm....Interesting, thanks for sharing Neal, yes, I was über curious how you would understood the book. I definitely see where your point of view is coming from, but my question was directed to your thoughts on the book not...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
Anyhoo, going back to the topic at hand: Thus Spake Zarathustra. I’ll carry on with what I think Nietzsche’s getting at in his own style. Well firstly, I dunno if you read a good translation or skipped the opening (lol, I always do that) if you regard it as nihilistic. Actually it’s quite the inverse of nihilism. TSZ’s opening speech itself places emphasis on this present world as...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
(Note on the Comments: I'm using N's words not my own) This is hard, to stay on TSZ...but as it's his later work most of his paradigms coalesce here.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
N’s philosophy is somehow associated with nihilism. (this is a belief in nothing or more properly the rejection of all values) but Nietzsche is NOT a nihilist. He proves(claims) that it’s Judaism & Christianity that are nihilistic, why? Because they devalue humanity, nature and life. N’s an atheist obvi, there is no afterlife. The true world is here and now J/Cs are nihilists because...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
I know very well it’s hard to get past one’s own prejudices to see wherein you find validly, truth, with a honest frankness that we’re not accustomed to these days. So we feel anger to what we perceive as unrighteous excoriating criticisms of the prevailing Judadeo-Christian morality. But no. It’s quite fallacious to regard Nietzsche as some sort of con artists or ”evil” man,...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
Focusing and finishing... finally…. here with the final remarks of Nietzsche’s in TSZ Part IV he is far from dogmatic. There's this statement I found really hot or academic words: remarkable in its simplistic brilliance, “there’s something to be said in favour of the exception only if does not try to become the rule.” . There’s A LOT of meaning there in what appears to be something only...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
That's been my absolute favorite quote since I discovered it a billion years ago.
- Akiva
You're very welcome Spicé, I saw your fb & know exctly what you mean. i have a running list of this sort of innate psychological inaccuracies to remind myself "caution, or don't do this", without being aware of them, you fail in logical knowing and reasonable understanding. That's how I write such amazing stuff, the judgment of David, but wiser :)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
from FFHound!
"Why do they call it taking a dump, when your actually leaving one." ~ O_O whhhaaattt!?!?! So we're not supposed to take it with us?! (that makes sense :) EDIT! forgot pic
... Oh my gosh Philosoraptor, what you speak of is très controversial. What you speak of goes beyond logic and reason & falls into the abyss of BLIND faith. I'd say that's a WhammOoO00 home run Philosoraptor: a leap beyond #15's et al "divinity" & into the quantum of overlooked, everyday heroism (JHC 45:15)
The belief in sin requires a belief in God. The 'conudrum' asks how someone who believes in god and the laws of sin somehow knows that god is false... and falls over
- Johnny
from iPhone
I understand the intent but if you're trying to expose hypocrisy, you must do so from within the system, not a person standing outside the system... All the statement confirms is an outsider's belief that inside the system, the participants are either lying or ignorant.
- Johnny
from iPhone
I like my jokes to kinda make sense :)
- Johnny
from iPhone
But it's not your joke! :P Anyhow, we (atheists and theists) end up rehashing the same stuff fairly frequently so eventually we just get silly. It's like Ricky Gervais saying "Thank God I'm an atheist." Then again, this would also be a perfect argument for the people who say "Well what if you're wrong and God does exist. You should believe, just in case."
- <3Heather<3
I'm sure the New Testament God would still love you even if you were wrong. The Old Testament God, well... he's just a mofo.
- Andy Bakun
Isn't that the god of the Jewish people, Andy?
- Eivind
"Physics has definitely avoided what were traditionally considered to be foundational physical questions, but the reason for that goes back to the foundation of quantum mechanics. The problem is that quantum mechanics was developed as a mathematical tool. Physicists understood how to use it as a tool for making predictions, but without an agreement or understanding about what it was telling us about the physical world. And that’s very clear when you look at any of the foundational discussions. (...) Sean Carroll for example is very adamant about saying that time is real. You have others saying that time is just an illusion, that there isn’t really a direction of time, and so forth. I myself think that all of the reasons that lead people to say things like that have very little merit, and that people have just been misled, largely by mistaking the mathematics they use to describe reality for reality itself. If you think that mathematical objects are not in time, and mathematical...
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- Amira
from Bookmarklet
"What people haven’t seemed to notice is that on earth, of all the billions of species that have evolved, only one has developed intelligence to the level of producing technology. Which means that kind of intelligence is really not very useful. It’s not actually, in the general case, of much evolutionary value. We tend to think, because we love to think of ourselves, human beings, as...
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- Amira
"The most interesting thing about the human species is our plasticity, our flexibility. (…) Over the past 10 years we have started to see powerful evidence that children might learn language statistically, by unconsciously tabulating patterns in the sentences they hear and using these to generalise to new cases. Children might learn language effortlessly not because they possess innate grammatical rules, but because statistical learning is something we all do incessantly and automatically. The brain is designed to pick up on patterns of all kinds. (...) You only have to stroll down the street to see that human beings are learning machines. (...) if you compare us with other species, our degree of variation is just so extraordinary and so obvious that we know prior to doing any science that human beings are special in this regard, and that a tremendous amount of what we do is as a result of learning. So empiricism should be the default position. The rest is just working out the details of how all this learning takes place. (...)"
- Amira
from Bookmarklet
"Philosophy tells us what is possible, and science tells us what is true. Cognitive science has transformed philosophy. At the beginning of the 20th century, philosophers changed their methodology quite dramatically by adopting logic. There has been an equally important revolution in 21st-century philosophy in that philosophers are turning to the empirical sciences and to some extent...
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- Amira
"Scientists' greatest pleasure comes from theories that derive the solution to some deep puzzle from a small set of simple principles in a surprising way. These explanations are called "beautiful" or "elegant". Historical examples are Kepler's explanation of complex planetary motions as simple ellipses, Bohr's explanation of the periodic table of the elements in terms of electron shells, and Watson and Crick's double helix. Einstein famously said that he did not need experimental confirmation of his general theory of relativity because it "was so beautiful it had to be true." Since this question is about explanation, answers may embrace scientific thinking in the broadest sense: as the most reliable way of gaining knowledge about anything, including other fields of inquiry such as philosophy, mathematics, economics, history, political theory, literary theory, or the human spirit. The only requirement is that some simple and non-obvious idea explain some diverse and complicated set of phenomena."
- Amira
from Bookmarklet
Hey I just learned a new word! I'm a sapiosexual!!!! (and a homosexual too) Definition: http://LNK.by/fkebv 2nd comment 1. (n.) A behavior of becoming attracted to or aroused by intelligence and its use. Origins: From the Latin root sapien, wise or intelligent, and Latin sexualis, relating to the sexes. Example: Me? I don't care too much about the looks. I want an incisive, inquisitive,...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
AHHHH SOMEONE JUST PROPOSED MARRIAGE TO ME ON G+ (cuz of this Philosoraptor post) NOW SCREEAMMMMM!!!! I said no. I hope you can see it, he shared it limited not public https://plus.google.com/u... no I believe you can't dammmmzit
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Okay, I'm going to do something borderline unethical but the convo's funny! I believe he shared it as "limited" after I noticed he was in my Queer Love circle, like he's' gay and from U-S-A!. But you know how they black out the personal information on those funny facebook convos, Imma gonna do that and black out the personal details
- The Real sofarsoShawn
“If men were rational in their conduct, that is to say, if they acted in the way most likely to bring about the ends that they deliberately desire, intelligence would be enough to make the world almost a paradise. In the main, what is in the long run advantageous to one man is also advantageous to another. But men are actuated by passions which distort their view; feeling an impulse to injure others, they persuade themselves that it is to their interest to do so. They will not, therefore, act in the way that is in fact to their own interest unless they are actuated by generous impulses which make them indifferent to their own interest. This is why the heart is as important as the head. By the “heart” I mean, for the moment, the sum-total of kindly impulses. (…) And so we come back to the old dilemma: only kindliness can save the world, and even if we knew how to produce kindliness we should not do so unless we were already kindly. Failing that, it seems that the solution which the...
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- Amira
from Bookmarklet
"Metamotivation is a term coined by Abraham Maslow to describe the motivation of people who are self actualized and striving beyond the scope of their basic needs to reach their full potential. Maslow suggested that man is initially motivated by a series of basic needs, called the hierarchy of needs. Maslow states, “Self-actualizing people are gratified in all their basic needs (of belongingness, affection, respect, and self-esteem)”. Once a person has successfully navigated the hierarchy of needs thus satisfying all their basic needs, Maslow proposed they then travel “a path called growth motivation”. Maslow believed we must make a distinction between the motives of those who operate at or below the level of self-actualization (ones still striving for their basic needs, or ones who have met their basic needs but still live without purpose), and those who are self actualized who are also with significant purpose, as their motivations differ significantly. Deficiency needs (D-needs)...
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- Amira
Quotes: “There is still a difference between something and nothing, but it is purely geometrical and there is nothing behind the geometry.”
— Martin Gardner - http://amiquote.tumblr.com/post...
“In this world, time has three dimensions, like space. Just as an object may move in three perpendicular directions, corresponding to horizontal, vertical, and longitudinal, so an object may participate in three perpendicular futures. Each future moves in a different direction of time. Each future is real. At every point of decision, the world splits into three worlds, each with the same people, but different fates for those people. In time, there are an infinity of worlds.” — Alan Lightman, American physicist http://bit.ly/ttihs2
- Amira
from Bookmarklet
“Consider a world in which cause and effect are erratic. Sometimes the first precedes the second, sometimes the second the first. (…) Each act is an island in time, to be judged on its own. It is a world of impulse. It is a world of sincerity. It is a world in which every word spoken speaks just to that moment, every glance given has only one meaning, each touch has no past or future, each kiss becomes a kiss of immediacy.” — Alan Lightman http://bit.ly/vn1qBn
- Amira
“If words are not things, or maps are not the actual territory, then, obviously, the only possible link between the objective world and the linguistic world is found in structure, and structure alone. The only usefulness of map or a language depends on the similarity of structure between the empirical world and the map-languages.” — Alfred Korzybski http://bit.ly/sm9ztD
- Amira
“If you try to be precise you are bound to be metaphorical.” — John Middleton Murry http://bit.ly/tRqDbn
- Amira