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Jennifer Howard
Hi everbody. I'm trying to plumb the murky depths of Amazon's dealings with university presses, and it seems like there's possibly an academic-library angle in there somewhere. Are libraries buying much (some) content from Amazon? Does Amazon fill any gaps the library vendors can't or don't? Any insight (or other questions to ask) would be welcome.
I'm pretty sure our undergrad library uses Amazon for quick delivery of brand-new (so not easily ILLable) books, and I think also for some stuff on the "book cafe" casual-reading shelves. There may be more, but I don't hang out in those circles so I don't know about it. My overall sense is that Amazon is a useful backstop for when the Usual Suspects don't have something or can't get it... more... - RepoRat
Can you be more specific about what you mean by "content"? Like, print books? Ebooks? Streaming audio/video? We buy a lot of (print) books, but nothing else. - Catherine Pellegrino
Print books primarily but I'd be interested in hearing about other content as well. - Jennifer Howard
We use it for rush orders, since our normal book vendor's rush process isn't as fast, and usually costs much more. We'll also use Amazon Marketplace for out of print orders or replacement books. Our media librarians buy content from Amazon regularly, but I'm not sure if they have other sources. I don't work with that aspect. - Holly's favorite Anna
Public library here. We use it for some stuff because of better prices or lack of availability through our regular vendor, but it is a serious pain in the neck. - laura x
I know that for us while it isn't a preferred vendor, we've used it to get items that are out of print or otherwise difficult to locate. Not so sure about scholarly type books though, we tend to get those through our vendors even if amazon is cheaper. - Sir Shuping is just sir
Yeah, we pretty much find that many books are cheaper on amazon than through our other "library" vendors, even when you factor in shipping, etc., so we buy from whoever's got the lowest price. - Catherine Pellegrino
We used to use it a lot for our 'Buy not Borrow' stuff but I think we've mostly moved to one of the regular book folk. I think one problem for DVD content is we really need subtitles for accessibility and Amazon doesn't always have those versions. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
I know our acquisitions folks order quite a bit from Amazon. Rush orders and things not held by our jobber, for example. And quite a few out of print things are there, too. - lris
We will use Amazon (or Alibris) for books more than 2-3 years old, because they are faster and more reliable than asking the vendor to do a search. And we use Amazon for a lot of current fiction and film because it comes cheaper and faster that way. Thinking about university presses, though, I think we only use Amazon for older/out of print titles, not new UP titles. I *think* most new UP titles come in through approval plans w/ various vendors. - Regular Amanda
I use Amazon for virtually all of my books. I'm a tiny branch library not affiliated with the univ. library, so I am too small for a jobber. Also, I haz a credit card for work, so it's pretty easy, and very fast. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
We use it for some print book purchases (mostly when speed matters); we buy a LOT of our DVDs from Amazon. (We don't stream video and rarely acquire performance rights; home use, baby.) - barbara fister
AFAIK we get some things from Amazon, mostly on a rush order or it's unusual and our regular people don't have it. Same went for when I was at a public library though Rochelle could speak better to their current policy on that. - Hedgehog
Rush orders at MPOW too especially if a person submits an ILl request and indicates that they want the library to purchase. When that service was set up, it was implemented promising users a very short turn around time. - Galadriel C. from Android
Threadjack here: many of you are describing a situation where you only use Amazon if you need something faster than your usual vendors can deliver it, or the usual vendors don't have it. Do you generally find, then, that your vendors' prices are competitive with Amazon's? Because ours sure as heck aren't, a lot of the time. - Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine, I haven't looks lately, but a few years ago the answer was yes: baker and Taylor and Amazon were offering similar discounts on many items - Jenica from iPhone
Catherine, we pay our jobber to prep the books to be "shelf-ready" and to provide clean MARC records to our specifications. Every book ordered from somewhere else adds staff time to cataloging and processing, so that's also a factor in price. Amazon is useful for obtaining materials that our jobber can't, or faster, but that's where it ends for us. The price of the book is only one part of the cost. - Holly's favorite Anna
Anna: Ah, I see -- yeah, we don't have our jobbers do any prep for our books (we looked into it and the cost factor was through the roof) so that makes a difference in what the total cost of an item might be. The person who places our orders checks Amazon, YBP, and B&T, and reports that at least 2/3 of the time, Amazon has the best price. Now, keep in mind that we don't have approval... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
Anyways, apologies for the threadjack! (Jennifer, I have no idea if this conversation is interesting/useful/comprehensible to you, so if it's not, please feel free to delete!) - Catherine Pellegrino
Also, negotiated discounts work just as mysteriously with jobbers as the do with journal packages. - lris
^^ That was my suspicion. - Catherine Pellegrino
No need to apologize--very interesting convo. Tx. - Jennifer Howard
I didn't have space to do more than mention Amazon sales to libraries in this; chroni.cl/1ohmSrU But maybe I can return to the subject. - Jennifer Howard
the tyranny of the column-inch ;) - RepoRat
Story of my life, even though a lot of what we do is online now, where in theory space doesn't matter. - Jennifer Howard
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
And a Senator snagged for some severe plagiarism: http://retractionwatch.com/2014... - his conclusions are taken nearly word for word with no attribution, but he doesn't believe he plagiarized because he "didn't do anything intentional." Oh, my.
Also, what's the deal with a 14-page masters thesis? - Stephen Francoeur
We have a new plagiarism tutorial coming out this fall, and I got a little giddy reading about this - will provide a great way to capture student interest. - Jen
my question, how did it take them this long to figure it out? - Sir Shuping is just sir
why would anybody notice? - RepoRat
Yikes. "Intent isn't magic", dude. - YvonneM
How do you unintentionally copy someone else's work and claim it as your own? - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
He was unintentionally intentional. - Joe
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Sigh. LibGuides 2.0 did not bring over any of my custom database descriptions. Sigh is the polite version of me feeling the giant sucking of my time as I hand fix scores of descriptions on a couple dozen pages. :(
Also: Lists of databases and of links cannot be trusted to have accurately have been brought over, so OMG, the painful line-by-line reading of my guides is making me cranky! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Hmmm, may need to pass this info on. - Joe
We are waiting to hear if this (loss of custom, guide level, database descriptions) is a feature or a glitch of the upgrade. The "some links might not have come through" one is a known thing though :( - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I copy links a lot, so I wonder if that copy vs. original status will remain on migrated links. At least then you could fix some links and have any copies magically change. - kaijsa
kajisa, what I'm realizing as I go through these is that I tend to use an existing page as "template". And that has the unfortunate side effect of having a lot of identical-but-not-mapped boxes and pages. So, best practices warning for anyone about to do the transition -- it might be faster to map your boxes now than fix omg-so-much-text later? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Oh, I do that, too. Sad face! We just migrated and I haven't had time to do more than quickly eyeball my guides. I'm kind of wishing we'd waited. - kaijsa
Yes, the copy versus original generally carries over. Sadly, your local admin probably should have told you to map your boxes/pages before the migration to prevent at least some of this. - ~Courtney F
Sorry, that made me LOL. I am an admin, but we recently had our new instructional design staff member take the reigns and while she has done a great job, it's a lot to learn and manage. If anybody here had time to learn systems in detail, it would be awesome, but we're stretched. - kaijsa
One of the reasons I spend time on LSW is to learn from you smart people. More efficient sometimes than reading documentation. - kaijsa
Sure, kaijsa, but I'm pretty sure that the thing about mapping boxes was mentioned specifically in the transition documentation for admins. i don't have time to doublecheck now to be sure, but i'm pretty sure i mentioned it to my coworkes. - ~Courtney F
Oh, I believe you. Our lead admin did send out some instructions for optimizing guides for the transition and I could have missed that. - kaijsa
Bummer. Apparently this was a decision made by our in-house migration team. The Links "were selected to become Database assets". They could have been selected to become something else. (I have no idea what). But, heads up if you haven't migrated yet -- this is choice someone makes, and I don;t know what the costs of doing it otherwise are. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
once again, I am sooooo grateful that I had a dedicated library student migrate mai guides, check links, and convert assets.Phew!! Good luck to the rest of y'all in the migration!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Courtney, I think this falls into the category of "communication issues in-house". I think our issues aren't unusual though. So, sharing it here, for folks who haven't migrated yet. Maybe they can avoid some of the pain of non-communicative migration leaders :( - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Must admit I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Need to watch this more carefully. What's wrong with choosing links to become Database assets? They will mess up custom descriptions? - aaron
Ours ported over as assets, with descriptions intact. I finally had time to look. Seems like our migration worked pretty well. - kaijsa
As the person who manages the eresources, I prefer links to library databases and things to be Database assets. If any of my librarians want to tweak the descriptions, that's fine, but don't go making wildcat links and then complain to me when they break because the vendor decided to change their URL structure mid-February. - Holly's favorite Anna
Yes, that's our practice, Anna. It's good sense. - kaijsa
Ours also, and one of the few things that I insist on as the admin of both. - ~Courtney F
Anna, these are all properly using the A-Z link asset tool thingy, but with my own custom description - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
In the course of things, I came across a great assignment suggestion which indicated that Academic Search Premier had "cited reference" searching. Try as I might, I'm not finding it. I'm not even seeing linked citations, which I know are in other EBSCO databases. Am I missing something here? Have you done cited reference searching in ASP?
Yes, cited reference is kind of hidden, but you can get to it at the very top in the blue bar, next to the link to the Subject Terms. Some other EBSCO products have it, so the "choose databases" option is available there so you can search across databases if you want. - kaijsa
Also some journals are indexed and others (most?) aren't. So it's a cool feature but very limited, far from comprehensive. - JffKrlsn from Android
Also you can do things on the admin side to make it more visible. Left-hand limiter for "references available." Your users will have no idea what that means, of course. " - JffKrlsn from Android
Neat, I didn't know they had this. Although, when I try to get the citing articles, it says to "mark checkboxes and click Find Citing Articles" but there are no checkboxes to check. Anywhere. ETA: Oh wait, there are 3 checkboxes, in a list of 20 results. Puzzling. - Meg VMeg
Kajisa, thanks! I completely missed that link! I did notice, switching between EBSCO databases that the limit to include articles with references available is missing on ASP, I assumed that was what I was looking for. Meg, I wonder if the checkbox is only there for articles FT is ASP? All the cited references I'm looking at right now have our find it link, and no check boxed/ - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
The assignment that referred to this has them compare cited reference searching in Web of Science, Google Scholar, and ASP. I think ASP isn't a great for this, the cited reference search is too hidden, specific, and non-intuituve for this. But now I'm wondering if there is a good third database to use in an exercise like this? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Holly's favorite Anna
Do you know if there is any sort of ranking system for journals that publish undergraduate research? Do you know of any reliable sources recommending journals that publish undergraduate research?
maʀtha
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CATHERINE!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FROM ME TOO!!!!!!!! - Uli
Happy birthday! - Pete
happy happy birthday catherine! - Sir Shuping is just sir
Many happy returns! - Megan loves summer
happy birthday! - RepoRat
Sorry you already found my early birthday present (that surprise extra room in your house). Hope you're having a great day. - Stephen Francoeur
Happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!! - lris
Happiest of Birthdays!!!! - Katy S from iPhone
Happy Birthday, Catherine! - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte from Android
Happiest of birthdays, Catherine! - laura x
Happy birthday to you! - Meg VMeg
Happy birthday! - Joe
YAY! Happy birthday! - Marianne
Happy birthday! - LB hates stale candy!
Happy, happy birthday! - Galadriel C.
Happy birthday! :-) - YvonneM
Happy birthday - hope you are off having fun! - Jen
Happy birthday! - Steele Lawman
Happy birthday!! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Thank you, everyone! We're at our annual week at the lake with family, and it's glorious. Yesterday I got my first sunburn in twenty-odd years, and today we picked 12.6 pounds of blueberries. - Catherine Pellegrino
Happy birthday! (Also my son Daniel's 19th!) - John Dupuis
Hippo birdy, two ewes! - Deborah Fitchett
Many happy returns of the day!! - Lily
bonne fête, ma belle! - jambina
Happy Birthday Catherine! - Hedgehog
Christina Pikas
Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics put out a memo July 9 about the public access policy, but it essentially says: you will comply by sending stuff to DTIC, enforcement details coming soon
sounds like DoD is also going with the NIH model, putting things in DTIC, instead of standing up some new system. Makes sense to me. DTIC has been cut to the bone, however, so I don't know how they will manage this greater influx of new stuff - Christina Pikas
Oooh, can haz link to memo? - Hedgehog
Ditto, interested if is public. - Cameron Neylon
It doesn't have any markings on it, but I found it through a non-public source. i'll look for it out in the wild. - Christina Pikas
you have the best fed gossip ;) - RepoRat
YvonneM
So...apparently some college students used map from https://missingsisters.crowdmap.com/ w/o attribution to fund this Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/project... School admitted students stole work but won't do anything. :-/ Also see https://twitter.com/hashtag...
YvonneM
I don't have supervisory experience and I'm afraid this is going to stall out my career progress. No chance of getting any in current position. Closest thing I have is teaching high school students nearly ten years ago. Ideas on how to overcome this?
Can you take on projects that give you at least temporary supervision of project folks? Even if it's not formal supervision, a lot of places will give that at least *some* weight. - WebGoddess
Hi, good idea. I've supervised a few committee projects. I'll have to look into other stuff. - YvonneM
supervising committee projects counts. a lot of "matrixed" organizations the line management are separate from the project/program management. - Christina Pikas
Professional service? I can at best manage students at MPOW, but I'm doing a whole lot of low/mid level management type stuff for LITA. - Hedgehog
I'm in the same boat, and it's frustrating. I have supervisory experience from high school and my early 20s, but not libraries. Somehow asst mger at Baskin-Robbins and office mgr at a now-defunct surgery center isn't helping me professionally. My strategy has been to focus on leadership and talking about how leading without positional authority is good preparation. My department just... more... - kaijsa
I hate the way career paths are all like "hey, we're basically administrators and managers. Got staff?" instead of "we reward librarians for being great librarians.and contributing to the community and the field." One reason I was happy to be in a tenure/promotion system because otherwise I GOT NUTTIN. - barbara fister
Also tried to invent a promotion path for our non-MLS staff. Everyone said "how interesting.NO." - barbara fister
("Everyone" being higher ups in the college admin.) - barbara fister
I facilitated a discussion about this last month at ALA. The folks who had successfully lept into management were able to spin their project management and ALA leadership into management gigs. *BUT* only to willing hiring bodies. I had a great convo walking with someone afterward, who seemed to be recruiting me, but in the end said -- but oh, you've never supervised anyone. um. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Same guy has had a bunch of failed management searches lately (no surprise, and they are not alone in this). So now we are in talks about the next Leadership DG talk, which might be about building better position descriptions to attract the qualities you want. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Other take-aways from the panel: for a willing hiring body, they want to see that you have a leadership style, that you take initiative and see things through. For an unwilling hiring body, though, nothing will trump "I hired, fired, and evaluated staff" :( - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
The position description thing is an issue. I think that's why many people end up places where it's just a bad fit. I feel fortunate to have had people willing to look at all of my experience and give me a chance to be in a management position. Hopefully I'm proving my abilities and value. It's tough though to make that leap. You're absolutely correct about the willingness factor. There are so many ways people can get management and leadership experience without a formal title or position. - J. Marie B
While I'm not a huge fan of tenure, I also see the value in academia. It is the only way most librarians will see any sort of advancement and I do think that opportunity should be there. I'd be interested in hearing what you were purposing for the non-MLS staff, Barbara. I have an excellent employee who I fear I'll lose eventually because there isn't anywhere for her to advance, except out of the library. - J. Marie B
We tried to describe a possible promotion path separate of P&T for the librarians in a committee report that I'm presenting on Thursday. I can move up through Asst--Assoc--Full Professor but there's no path to Assoc Librarian, Full Librarian. Unless I got my dept head's job, I permanently am at Asst Information Services Librarian. Huh, I thought the final report was in the IR but I can't find it. I can share it with anyone interested. - Hedgehog
Thanks for the input. MPOW hires librarians as staff, not faculty, as well. - YvonneM
A friend had a bit of supervisory experience, but one of her big resume builders was joining one or two library organizations and becoming president. - Betsy from FFHound(roid)!
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Friends, I am piloting a 1 credit lab for a poli sci research methods class in the fall, and need to get cracking on my syllabus! Have you built or taught one of these? Are you willing share tips, techniques, or whole syllabi?
Hm, I have not built or taught a lab, but I did work with our PoliSci methodologist on his classes for instruction. Is this a 1 hr research lab where they'll be asking you about SPSS programming for their data, or is it more basic methodology stuffs like defining qual vs quant, proper research design, etc? - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
The class I will attached to is a pilot Research Methods class. So, this is the library lab part of it, where I can go more in depth and hands on where necessary. Prof will handle research design in class, and also the data analysis portion of the lab. But I might, for example, do a session on identifying research methods from reading published materials. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I will be covering basic library research stuffs as well, since this class is being instituted specifically to address that PS students are getting scarce exposure to library research methods (and direct teaching of PS research methods...) before their 400 classes. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Cool. Was it hard getting this through administration? - YvonneM
So far, no. But nothing was changed. A current course is being offered as Research Methods, and the students are being told to sign up for a 1-credit independent study with me. If all goes well, we'll propose an official 4-credit Research Methods class, with the lab built-in and me as co-teacher - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So interesting! I'd love to do something like this. :-) Good for you. - YvonneM
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
My husband. Is too awesome. What did he do? He got me, get this: a genuine Batgirl Batarang from the '60s show. Oh, and it's signed by Yvonne Craig - Batgirl. I'm going to hang it above my computer. All my libraryland ladyfriends are going to be SO JEALOUS. ‪#‎levelingup‬ ‪#‎fabuloushusbandisfabulous‬
HOLY WOW how awesome is that?! - RepoRat
I KNOW. I about wet my pants. I can't even. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Yup. I am so jelly. - YvonneM
That is so awesome! - Galadriel C. from Android
Pics as soon as it arrives :) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Katy S
Thousands Of Books Removed From Racine Unified Schools - Racine County Eye - Racine County Eye - http://racinecountyeye.com/2014...
Do any of the Wisconsin folks know more about this? - Katy S from Bookmarklet
I... do not know anything about this. I could slide over to the CCBC and ask. - RepoRat
Huh. If one believes the RUSD superintendent, they did have input from former librarians in instances where the school no longer has a librarian. It doesn't sound like there's malicious intent here, and as someone who is weeding a K-12 collection right now, I know there can often be A LOT of outdated, embarrassing stuff in those stacks. This sounds like a complicated situation,... more... - Laura Krier
Laura - those are exactly some of the reasons why I'm wondering if anyone knows more about it. I want to hold off on outrage until I know it's warranted. There are a lot of mixed messages coming out of this. - Katy S from iPhone
aaron
So was watching a interesting video on Openrefine. How do you guys use it in library work? hmm can't even get it to run on my work pc.
I used it to clean up student entered backlogs of reference desk data. I have taught a couple workshops on it, would you like the handouts? - Hedgehog
We use it to find the searches in our discovery layer of databases, websites, etc and add them to best bets. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Hedgehog definitely would be interested. Jaclyn, that a great idea, since I have access to Summon's logs and various Google analytics accounts etc - aaron
I've used it to clean up a list of journal names - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Our GIS librarian just published this article in Code4Lib about using it to clean up ZipCode data. http://journal.code4lib.org/article... - Stephen Francoeur
The handouts would be loverly... - Aaron the Librarian
LB hates stale candy!
Taking a research day and opening a book to find Steve's article on his History and Future of the Book class, as you do.
Neat! - Steele Lawman
I have to confess that I've checked out _Past Or Portal?_ at least three times but haven't actually opened it until today. - LB hates stale candy! from Android
If you are interested in using special collections in concert with a history of the book class, feel free to ask me questions. I can pass them along to Jessy, my co-author and co-teacher. - Steele Lawman
Thanks, Steve. My class is more of an intro to archives, but I'll keep that in mind! :) - LB hates stale candy! from Android
lris
Construction zones around my office this summer are in blue...
construction zones.png
We lived through a couple of years of that, including our building (we didn't move out) and the one next to us. My sympathies. - kaijsa
Looks like their forces are weak to the east. If you can gain the element of surprise, you might be able to get most of the people out with minimal casualties. - Steele Lawman
The terrain there is tricky, you see, and includes hills full of trees and underbrush and poison ivy. Still, they will never expect that, so the element of surprise may be doubly on our side. - lris
Feeling you. http://www.news.wisc.edu/22935 My building is of course on one end of Park Street. - RepoRat
Steele Lawman
I just used the OED to help an alumna on Facebook figure out the best way to spell/punctuate "po-po"
AND... - jambina
Oh, sorry, sorry. As I used it in the post above, "po-po" with the hyphen is the most-used form in the examples and the way the main entry is listed. They also have one citation of "po po" without the hyphen. - Steele Lawman
Stephen Francoeur
Can you click this link for what I hope is a stable URL for my search in our not-yet-launched instance of Primo and let me know if you are seeing the results for a search for "turtles?" Thanks....
seems to have worked for me - lris
Great! Thnx. - Stephen Francoeur
Yep, looks good. - Steele Lawman
turtles all the way down! - RepoRat
^ - Marie
all turtles. - Lnorigb
Awww, no pics. Just turtles. - Alix May
...Okay, so how did you do that? - Deborah Fitchett
Do what? Get a stable URL for the search? I just copied the one in the address bar. If I'm not mistaken, in most discovery services this works. - Stephen Francoeur
Ours is defigured by a session id. (Bloody session ids.) Seems to work in the short term, will see if the session timeout breaks it. Extracting the session id from it works fine too of course, just harder to explain to lecturers. - Deborah Fitchett
Deborah, are you talking about Summon at your library? http://lincolnnz.summon.serial... - Stephen Francoeur
No, about our own not-yet-launched Primo: http://primo-direct-apac.hoste... ...Which now does a search for me without session id. What? I swear it was there before. - Deborah Fitchett
Are you guys switching from Summon? I think one of the discovery services that don't have stable URL is EDS. very annoying. - aaron
EDS is same as all other EBSCOhost: permalinks are available but copying url from address bar doesn't work - JffKrlsn from Android
Yes really annoying, I always forget. - aaron
Yeah we're migrating from Voyager/Summon to Alma/Primo. - Deborah Fitchett
We're sticking with our ILS, Ex Libris Aleph, but are dropping Summon locally (later on) and picking up Primo consortially. While other schools in our consortium (the City University of New York) may provide Primo fairly quickly, we're going to keep going with Summon for a while until the Primo instance is as good (in terns of UX) as our Summon v1 instance is. - Stephen Francoeur
Turtles on Arrested Development! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
One of the reasons why I use turtles as my default search term is my sister, who helps keep the little fellers out of harm's way at JFK. http://www.nytimes.com/2014... - Stephen Francoeur
kaijsa
Those of you who do library instruction: who is on your wishlist of speakers at an instruction-related conference? I'm hoping to bring more than the usual names to a brainstorming meeting, and you're our target audience.
Maria Accardi, Anne-Marie Dietering, Randy Hensley, Carrie Donovan - Catherine Pellegrino
Char Booth, Iris Jastram, Kristin Partlo, Catherine Pellegrino - RepoRat
Lauren Pressley, Repo Rat. and a metric ton of Public Library Trainer Folks. Julie Strange, but she is mostly baking these days. - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
Oh! Also Andromeda Yelton. And Char Booth is on my list, but I think she's headed into "usual names" territory at this point. - Catherine Pellegrino
Are you talking instructing Staff? Public? Students? Academia? Special Libraries? - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
I'm talking mostly instructing students in higher ed. - kaijsa
I'll add Randy Hensley to the list. (seconding Catherine) - lris
Emily Drabinski - Stephen Francoeur from Android
Thanks, all. I'm familiar with many of those names :) and will look up more info on the others. If you've been mentioned in this thread and are interested in speaking, I would love to be able to link to relevant speaker info you have online. Feel free to DM me! - kaijsa
well, okay, I'm pretty sure I'm not anywhere near the top of your list, but http://dsalo.info/present... and the nearest one to on-point is probably http://www.slideshare.net/cavlec... - RepoRat
All of the above + Meredith Farkas - YvonneM
Jay Turner Georgia State Library Commission. - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫ from FFHound!
kendrak
This conference has never ending bowls of popcorn. All other conference planners, take note.
They also gave us a cheese board as swag. - kendrak
Wisconsin, they're doing it right. - RepoRat
Yeah, but now my bag is ridiculously packed with stuff AND a cheeseboard. - kendrak
Are they trying to get you to buy more beer? - laura x
aaaaaaaaaa you have revealed the seekrit plot! - RepoRat
I am a sXe vegan, but I love Madison so far. - kendrak
I am totally bringing my air popper to SLA. - Zamms
I'll bring the margarator. - Meg VMeg
Seriously, I ATE ALL THE POPCORN. and by all, i mean 4 boxes. - kendrak
Flavored? - Meg VMeg
just salt. it was definitely popped in a pot/kettle with oil - kendrak
maybe I should send you home with a bag of locally-grown popcorn ;) - RepoRat
Coconut oil? Peanut oil? Inquiring minds... - Meg VMeg
the boxes (which we had to fold and fill ourselves) said "edible vegetable oil". - kendrak
friday will be spent doing laundry and eating pop corn. also, this is the same conference that gave us a branded cheese board. they know what people like. - kendrak
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Sent an email to IT about getting access to Qualtrics for a study I want to do this fall. Got an email *SIX MINUTES* later with an individual log-in & temp pw, links to training, and links to IRB. Bonus of working on small and young campus - shit gets done FAST.
(On my first day, when I walked in, my computer was up and running with a working login, I had access to all shared drives, I had Outlook, etc., my key was waiting for me. Crazy business. I love it.) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
How fantastic! - Galadriel C. from Android
Sir Shuping is just sir
anyone have any ideas on how to track down this film or if it even exists still? http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb...
Sounds like probably no longer exists; see http://www.harrygreb.com/filmlib... - Deborah Fitchett
oh crap....I saw that link and didn't read down to the end of it, thanks for finding it and reading all of it :) - Sir Shuping is just sir
Meg VMeg
When a job posting explicitly says to include "salary expectation" in your cover letter, what do you do? Generally, I've heard it's better to turn that question around on the asker, which you can't do here.
I usually raise my eyebrows because I expect they're going to try and lowball me. I've heard of people calling HR depts at institutions to ask for a range. - Hedgehog
It's an easy way to filter out people who know what they should be paid. - DJF from Android
I hate that requirement. There's usually a way to find the salary schedule for public institutions, but it's not always clear how it works. Some places use a strict schedule, some have more of a range. We get a fair number of calls at the research help desk asking us for salaries because ours aren't online (the library keeps the current year on reserve). Personally, I've always found as... more... - kaijsa
I generally don't fill it in or write something like "amount varies depending on benefits and quality of life opportunities" - Aaron the Librarian
Can you get away with "salary requirements are commensurate with the experience I bring to the job, the responsibilities and scope of the job, and competitive within the institution?" - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
yeah, i hate that question. i tend to either leave it blank or put "salary expectation based upon institutional range" - Sir Shuping is just sir
Hedgehog
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LB hates stale candy!
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YvonneM
Embedded in a EduTech MOOC of sorts as librarian--the instructor is very pro Google & "yay for shiny, happy tech!" So I like to post subversive links about privacy & data mining, along with the edu info. ::twirls mustache::
I <3 you most muchly. - RepoRat
Well, this is my 2nd year, and last year I'd about had it with all the "Google is great!" stuff. These are current & future teachers and they need to know the cons. Any suggestions or resources you think would help would be cool. :-) - YvonneM
Well, the BIG one in an edu-tech context is http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... Sure, they've stopped, they say -- but who the hell thought this was okay in the first place, is what I want to know! - RepoRat
Yes yes yes! Posted that to our Twitter hash tag, will post other places. I'm on G+ though (req'd 4 class), so I fear this makes me somewhat hypocritical. But, I mainly want them to be informed, since this isn't being addressed at all. On the bright side, information literacy is addressed (albeit briefly--I plan to add to that as well). They're a good group. If anyone wants the hash tag to see the convos feel free to PM me. - YvonneM
hey, if it's required, it's required. - RepoRat
So far, the response has been ::crickets:: - YvonneM
Doesn't mean you're not making an impact -- means they don't want to buck the instructor. ;) - RepoRat
I like how you think! :-) - YvonneM
Walt Crawford
Thanks to a different post, I went back to the Forbes idiocy and looked at the comments. The author has apparently decided that full-time trolling on other commenters is deep wisdom. It's quite a remarkable display; makes Cato and Hoover people look dead reasonable by comparison.
I mean: first, every time a librarian or other person says "libraries are about more than just lending books," he says "now that we've agreed that libraries aren't about books..." (not in those words). Second, his responses nicely ignore the title of his rant with its admonition to close all the libraries. It's actually pretty classic trolling, just at a higher pitch than usual. - Walt Crawford
I somehow missed this. Grrr. - YvonneM
There appears to be a template of sorts: New ebook-related thingie comes out; white male who doesn't use public libraries explains why this is The End Of Libraries and a Good Thing, without any real facts. Difference this time: The jackass is more busily trolling than most such template-users do. (The sad thing: An academic librarian with a large audience is playing along, albeit with a different tune, this time. Mathews, you should know better.) - Walt Crawford
lris
Martha and Sarah today at the party celebrating their wedding.
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That's a good picture! thanks, Iris! - maʀtha
You two are very cute. :) - Laura
Iris, would you be willing to share this pic with me? - maʀtha
that is a very happy picture, made my day. :) - Benedicta
As Aunt Ann says, "That is cute a while" - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
you look so happy!! congratulations!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
A big ol' grin spreads across my face every time this scrolls by. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
happy day! - barbara fister
JffKrlsn
Is anyone holding off on migrating to the LibGuides v2 because it's "too beta"? (Rather than because e.g. it's a big job that requires extra care.) I was planning on just doing it, and now getting a little worried that so much is not quite there yet...
We're migrating tomorrow. I guess we'll see how that goes. - kaijsa
How about both reasons you mention? - aaron
Our content was migrated at the end of June. We're scheduled (by us) to go live August 1. I haven't heard that it's too beta from my coworkers, but I might when we meet about it next week. - ~Courtney F
it's definitely too beta (I'd say still a wee bit alpha). We migrated in June, not sure when we're going live - because some essential components aren't built or ready yet. My Springshare love is pretty tainted by the way this rolled. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm holding off until the end of the year, partly because I'd like the dust to settle on the new platform first and partly because I want to use these intervening months as a time for us to clean up the guides on the current platform in advance of the migration. The longer we can spend on the latter, the better off we'll be. In other words, the migration is giving us a convenient excuse to do the kind of clean up work we should have been doing all along. - Stephen Francoeur
Our guides are still fairly small in number and only a few librarians are even creating them right now--I like the idea of switching over asap so as not to have to train folks twice... just now getting cold feet from the stuff I'm seeing (and in some cases, reporting) in their Ning (!) community. - JffKrlsn
Springshare's has a Ning community? - aaron from YouFeed
Springsharelounge.com is Ning, isn't it? - JffKrlsn from Android
Oh.. Right. - aaron
Kirsten
The email from ExLibris regarding EBSCO pulling out of Primo Central (EL's discovery layer):
As you may know, for the past eighteen months, we have been indexing in Primo Central a number of the EBSCO databases. EBSCO has now changed their strategy and will no longer permit third-party discovery services to load and index their content. Therefore, starting 1st January 2011 we will cease hosting of the EBSCO content in the Primo Central Index. EBSCO will, however, permit our use of a specialized API to search the EBSCO content ‘just-in-time’. - Kirsten
Since our initial agreement with EBSCO in June 2009, we have made significant progress in working directly with many publishers and other aggregators to dramatically increase the content in the Primo Central Index. In addition we recently reached agreement with Gale whereby their databases in Primo Central will now be available to all, regardless of subscription. Since there is a... more... - Kirsten
Based on a recent analysis of the Primo Central content, we cover, through other channels, over 90% of the data provided by the current EBSCO content loaded in the Primo Central Index. Furthermore, of the small number of titles exclusively available from EBSCO, none of these appears on the list of the 5,000 most used journals, based on SFX logs, and only three appear on the list of the 10,000 most used journals. - Kirsten
We are currently finalizing the details of the new arrangement with EBSCO for ‘just-in-time’ search and will update you as we progress on this. However, we believe that EBSCO’s decision to withdraw their content from the Primo Central Index does not best serve your user’s interests. We therefore strongly encourage you to add your voices directly to those of the ELUNA and IGELU steering committees in requesting that EBSCO reverse their decision and enable their data for indexing. - Kirsten
Ah, ok. That doesn't affect 360 Search, because it's a pure federated search product with no harvesting. But this means that Summon is going to be cut off too. - DJF
holeeeee crap. - jambina
Yeah, the EBSCO databases are still available through MetaLib (EL's federated search). But not being in the discover layer may well do a number on use stats, and if those are bad enough then the state-wide agreements will start to matter less. - Kirsten
my comment on this has disappeared? basically mentioning summon and Ebsco being the new evil empire - Christina Pikas
Could someone offer a TL:DR version? The reference desk is poppin' this morning. - Andy
PRIMO harvests database content into it's central index. EBSCO has cut them off, but it still allows federated searching in realtime. (considering how EBSCO has been cutting off other vendors from hosting content, this doesn't actually surprise me.) - DJF
Christina: You commented on the one in my feed; I reposted to LSW. Apologies for the confusion. - Kirsten
Craptastic. Seriously. We just got 360 Search and are considering Summon. It seems that vendors like EBSCO will defend their damned information silos to the bitter end. Let's all send EBSCO email that say, "Save the time of the user", shall we? - maʀtha
Martha, EBSCO's current dick move shouldn't affect 360 Search, because 360 doesn't harvest. I'm seeing HUGE problems with Search 360 that have nothing to do with EBSCO. I suspect soembody at Serials Solutions spilled their coffee on a computer or soemthing. - DJF
Yes, I wasn't being clear in my carping. I'm thinking about how this EBSCO effects everyone with Summon or who might get Summon (in addition to everyone with Primo). - maʀtha
Are any other libraries reporting problems with 360 Search? - maʀtha
Wait, does anyone have Primo Central yet? This is a fraction of Primo users, no? We have Primo for discovery, but still use Metalib for federated search, so this doesn't affect us. - Meg VMeg
We have it Meg, but I don't know how many libraries are using it. It's still fairly new, I think--our timing was such that we implemented Primo and Primo Central at the same time. Metalib is still in there too, so we do still have access to EBSCO databases. But Metalib is so much slower than Primo Central, I'm worried about how this is going to play out here. People were just getting used to our new interface. - Kirsten
liking so I can bookmark this. We are a completely ex libris shop now so this will definitely affect us. - Elizabeth Brown
It won't affect Summon users as the content harvested direct from the publisher not the indexer, e.g. EBSCO. Summon has around 97% of 'EBSCO' ft content but has never harvested EBSCO - Graham Stone
Meg, we're in the process of setting up Primo Central. We got an email from Ex Libris explaining that we can activate a whole bunch of databases that we don't subscribe to that cover the EBSCO holdings. Then SFX kicks in to locate the article in EBSCO. It's an awkward workaround until the APIs are available. - Zamms
Interesting! - Meg VMeg
Is "just in time" federated search? - María Milagros Fernández
I just want to echo Graham Stone, above. Summon (and ExLibris) are already doing end-around work bypassing the "ease" of importing EBSCO indexing. I think this will ultimately backfire in EBSCO's face as their products get marginalized and their locked-in EDS customers become their only customers. - Aaron the Librarian
If EBSCO/ProQuest/ExLibris start making exclusive indexing deals with major academic publishers, then you can worry. For now, it's just one dog marking a tree that every other dog has marked as well. - Holly's favorite Anna
saw an EBSCO demo for their EDS product last week and the way that the VP was talking they have a few exclusive deals with vendors and publishers that no one else does. He said one going to be announced at some big engineering conference in a few weeks. - Sir Shuping is just sir
I'm with Aaron and Anna on this one - the workarounds are there, so until they have exclusive indexing deals, well....They do tout their indexing as superior, of course, but still. - ~Courtney F
I think when publishers start seeing libraries cancel subscriptions because the titles aren't in their discovery systems, they might reconsider the exclusive deals that seemed so tantalizing now. - Holly's favorite Anna
No use = dropped subscriptions at MPOW... If it isn't indexed in a discovery system there won't be any use. Of course, I'm still working on selling the priority of a unified index as a discovery layer. - Aaron the Librarian
So glad we don't have Primo. The UMN does, but not us. - maʀtha
How did this float to the top today? (It's from 2011) - Aaron the Librarian from Android
spammer spammed, but then got deleted - Sir Shuping is just sir
Ah ok. Added bonus: I still agree with what I said back then. (which does not always happen) - Aaron the Librarian from Android
Joe
Joe
Picture this. Ice cream truck. Library book truck. Combined. Good idea or bad idea?
book-flavored ice cream? thanks, but no. - RepoRat
Not exactly. Sell ice cream, and circulate books for free for card holders. - Joe
YES. I will suggest this to the Antelope Lending Library. - laura x from iPhone
Like coffee, but better! - ~Courtney F
NO SILVERFISH ALLOWED. - RepoRat
I would run out to the street with a fist full of quarters and my library card if I heard the music! - Marie
Brilliant. - Kirsten from Android
are you hiring? - maʀtha
Still need to get the truck first. Working on funding. - Joe
It might have difficulty getting past the board. - Julian
I promise free ice cream to board members. - Joe
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