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For the complete LSW tagline please refer to the print edition. [tagline approved by committee, see minutes for vote]
Sir Shuping is just sir
figured some of your professors might appreciate this sentiment - Sir Shuping is just sir from Bookmarklet
or might not ;) - Aaron the Librarian
Friends, LSWers, Midwinter attendees! Lend the LSW your presence on Saturday January 31 for meetups! 2pm, Historic Downtown Treasures CAF tour 4ish-5:30ish PM, Intelligentsia Coffee 5:30ish, Exchequer Pub... Come to one or all, as your availability permits! - RepoRat
If there's a >50% chance you'll make it, let me know here. Thanks! - RepoRat
Definitely >50% here! Assuming I make it, I'm in for the coffee and, weather permitting, the CAF tour. Can't do dinner; I have to catch a 6:22 train at Millennium Station to get home (which, the coffee location is PERFECT). - Catherine Pellegrino
I'd say 50/50 for the coffee and/or pub part. - laura x
Definitely coffee and dinner; 50/50 for the tour. - Galadriel C.
Coffee and dinner 500% - copystar
Almost certainly dinner, though might be a tad late from a meeting! - Lily
that's fine! - RepoRat
Coffee and dinner for me!! - Hedgehog
Definitely dinner, maybe coffee and tour. - bentley
Definitely coffee and dinner - not sure about the tour. - Jen
Almost certainly dinner, too, though I might also be late. What time will dinner start? - ~Courtney F
whenever we get to Exchequer -- don't worry about being on time, it's all good :) - RepoRat
My partner (also a library guy, but not often on here) would like to come to all or some. (And I'm soooo jealous. Except for the freezing cold winter in Chicago part) - Megan loves summer
Knowing that this meet-up is happening is making my week. Just sayin' - Galadriel C.
I might be bringing someone. When do you need head counts? - bentley
So might I -- partners, family, friends welcome IOW -- and no rush. Sometime the week before the meetup should be fine. - RepoRat
Thanks. - bentley
Bumping this to confirm that the CAF tour is the one the page linked above labeled "Historic Downtown (North Loop): Treasures of Culture and Commerce"? (That's the one that starts at 2:00.) - Catherine Pellegrino
Yep, that's the one. - RepoRat
Probably won't end up making the tour, but thoroughly looking forward to meeting for coffee/tea + dinner! (Hoping that the Northeast has dug out from the pending blizzard by the time I'm scheduled to head to Chicago.) - Galadriel C. from Android
John Dupuis
I'm willing to accept that I'm the thick one in this exchange:
But I have the funny feeling that RA is being willfully obtuse about what he wrote in this LJ article: - John Dupuis
Shutting up, except to say that you are not thick, John, and never have been. - RepoRat
Thanks. I'm willing to accept my share of thickness but didn't think this was part of it. - John Dupuis
Having recently looked at a couple of other RA essays...well, what RR sez. - Walt Crawford
I think the 'getting people what they want is how we promote whatever social justice causes they believe in" is a slippery way of saying "we should be a neutral provider of stuff for our community members" - with a side of "shut up about open access." - barbara fister
I've had my own debates with RA but I appreciate that he is willing to put out how he thinks we should manage priorities/competing goals/allocations. - Lisa Hinchliffe
He does mention something about not endorsing value-free librarianship, but the call to say that the library should be the wallet and we should just buy whatever our patrons think they need doesn't take into consideration a lot of factors. - Joe
I think I was expecting to have a good faith discussion on priorities and resource allocation, but somehow the points I was making never got through. - John Dupuis
laura x
I had forgotten how awful the ref desk is on Sundays. I have now thanked all the people who work this shift far more often than I do for handling it with such grace.
Free speech is being debated right now in my little town. The local bar owner has invited James Fetzer ( to give a series of talks at the local bar. His stated goal is to have a public debate on whether Sandy Hook was a hoax, whether the USA and Israel were behind 9/11, etc.
For his part, Fetzer is saying this is freedom of speech and it's his right to disagree with the majority culture. - lris
Well, some people in town talked to or emailed the bar owner privately to say that they found the guy's stances offensive on many grounds, especially the anti-Semitic stances. The bar owner apparently didn't respond to those emails or conversations, but he did forward the emails to Fetzer, who then published several of them (with full names and everything from the email header except the originating email address) on his blog in a post decrying "the Abduction of Reason and Rationality in Northfield, MN." - lris
Now there's a call on campus for anyone interested in signing on to an editorial in the campus newspaper that says in part "We respect the rights of people in a free society to hold and discuss unpopular views. Free speech is an important right and no doubt [the bar owner] is legally entitled to give a platform to such people. But what is legal is not necessarily ethical or prudent.... more... - lris
So there you have it. Big issues on debate in a little town. And I'm trying to decide whether to add my name to the editorial or not. - lris
Sounds like they could add a discussion about the ethics of forwarding emails and also about the copyright thereof... - Deborah Fitchett
Yeah, it's weird because when this all boiled up yesterday or the day before, I was like "huh, crazy dude going to talk in town? I don't have to attend!" But now that those emails are all over the place I'm more like "Crazy bar owner is utterly unscrupulous and clearly doesn't like us. I don't have to attend his bar or restaurant." - lris
This guy doesn't care about ethics and morals with posting emails where he was not expressly given the OK to do so--it seems like he just wants to stir shit up. He wants to be the center of attention. Yes, the bar owner can give him a platform for his crazyness, but I wouldn't go attend the thing to give the guy an audience. I bet some of the email writers might want to confront him there, though. - Joe
I just heard that the people whose emails were reproduced have received hundreds of hateful/threatening emails from Fetzer's readers. Oy. - lris
Any publicity is good publicity... because now a whole 'nother group of people is exposed to [bar], [crank], and [idea] without any of them having to pay for access to eyeballs - Aaron the Librarian
I've been thinking about this a lot, especially today, and I think the thing I keep coming back to is "spectacularly stupid business decision of the year." The guy should get to say what he says where he can find the outlet. But this bar owner is utterly misguided to have alienated his only steady source of revenue simply because he thought it might be fun to have a lively debate. - lris
So I guess I posted this here because I was still working through things. And I feel compelled to try on the perspectives of people I disagree with, and try them on as authentically as possible. But right now I'm feeling like the free speech invocation is a red herring. Nobody in the town was saying that this person wasn't allowed. What people said was "hey, this would be pretty... more... - lris
That said, I would LOVE for someone to convince me otherwise. I'm posting my thoughts in the moment, fully recognizing that my thoughts aren't necessarily the highest authority in the world. (people who don't know me so well might not realize that I really am asking for people to talk me into a position -- I'm not gullible but I'm very very respectful of positions other than my own, usually, and especially now) - lris
Free speech is also, notably, legally only a matter of what the government can--or rather can't--do. Everybody thinks of it as this universal principle, but it's really not. - laura x
Iris, I won't try to convince you otherwise, because I think you've got it spot-on. And because nobody else has linked it yet, I'll just put this here in case it's helpful: - Catherine Pellegrino
Ha! That is great, Catherine. - lris from Android
In my neverending quest to become a dang adult, possibly the number one thing I've had to confront in myself is my childish inclinations to stir up shit, partly for the lulz. (Not, I will say, for the evulz; that's not quite how I roll.) No surprise: sometimes it's consciously worth taking the consequences... and often it's not. Which is a longwinded way of saying I agree with lris's take on this also. - RepoRat
Iris, being a contrarian at times...I got nothin'. You've nailed it pretty well, as far as I can see. - Walt Crawford
People who cry "Free speech!!!" are rarely doing it because they actually care about actual free speech. (If they did care, they would admit that their critiquers have the same rights, for a start.) - Deborah Fitchett
Well, free speech is no longer being debated in my community. Instead, truly awful business decisions are reaping consequences. Regulars are now checking out other hangouts in town, and events are choosing new venues. This may be the end of the business. Even staunch "he didn't know what he was doing" supporters are realizing he made unforgivable decisions resulting in death threats to (former) customers. - lris
Wow. Yeah, "didn't know what he was doing" doesn't really excuse the guy. Reminds me of a publisher (Random?) planning to publish a steamy novel about the wife of Mohammed, then freaking out when someone noted it would likely cause a serious ruckus. They pulped it. But why in the hell did nobody from editor to publisher have a clue before they contracted to publish it? Idiots. Most of them with Ivy League educations. - barbara fister
Sir Shuping is just sir
Interesting.... - Sir Shuping is just sir from Bookmarklet
sometimes - Big Joe Silence
sometimes joe? - Sir Shuping is just sir
when we touch - Big Joe Silence
the honesty's too much - Big Joe Silence
and i have to put a bookmark in and close the damned thing cos i have a blistering eye ache! - Big Joe Silence
Dutifully came out of office cave so I could send student worker off to do stacks-work. Promptly rewarded with repeat-visitor reader's advisory ("I really liked the book you recommended last time...") and a visit from one of my favorite professors I don't actually know at all. :D
Lisa Hinchliffe
Anyone know of any libraries that have "loyalty programs" (e.g., like hotels, restaurants, coffeeshops) - e.g., get points for using different services and convert to xyz. Especially interested in academic libraries. Note: summer reading programs and the like for children/teens exempted from this query.
U of Huddersfield was doing a kind of gamification version of this: - Deborah Fitchett
Good example. Tho all rewards are in-game. Any one know of any programs with real-life rewards? E.g., free printing credits, etc.? - Lisa Hinchliffe
Might check with some of these people: - Hedgehog
The closest I can think was when you could get discounts at several stores and restaurants in town if you showed your library card (at MFPOW). 2012: 2014: - bentley
I don't, but I sure as hell would be turned off by any library that did. I just want the library to be a library, and I want to be left alone. And I want one place left in this world that isn't advertising to me. - laura x from iPhone
^^same. We've had other offices on campus use the library as one place people had to go to earn points for an activity, and it's not genuine use, just a hoop to jump through (and annoy the staff actually trying to help people). - kaijsa
I think I'm with laura x on this one. The concept of "power users" is bad enough; the loyalty program idea just feels wrong. - Walt Crawford
You might also contact Annie Pho @catladylib on Twitter could tell you about the "Student Experience Program" that we're part of. The library has some of the items on it. I know the grad students are eligible but not sure any of them are going to have time/interest. Gamification doesn't work in my brain....but it seems to be popular. - Hedgehog
I've been reading the literature on loyalty programs in retail. I am intrigued - definite overlap with gamification but also theoretically quite different. - Lisa Hinchliffe
I'm also intrigued by branding and customer segmentation (related to power users) so ... may be in the LSW minority of finding value in these. :) - Lisa Hinchliffe
Its been a while, but I looked into this and could never quite figure out how to make it work for an academic library without it killing my head. In theory it made some sense to me, because we want to attract and keep patrons, but on the other hand it seemed kinda like a cheap ploy because a) ideally they should come to us anyway and b) the library isn't really competing with another... more... - Sir Shuping is just sir
Seems to me academic libraries are competing with a lot of other entities - e.g., other study spaces on campus and in surrounding coffeeshops, IT units, campus bookstore, online content sites, open access journal collections,, the local public library, advice from parents, etc. and of course the all time option of just doing without? Maybe not "another academic library" but... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
While I can't quite parse out why at this moment, a library loyalty program turns me off, too. I think there's something in the idea of offering "perks", while I see the library as a fundamentally broad access place that *deliberately* offers the same service to all. I love the idea of surprise perks for all, like a fine amnesty day. Power users often get informal perks, just because they know people. But something about a formal rewards program feels anti-public-commons to me? - Regular Amanda
Noting that I use public libraries, not academic libraries, I'd be *very* turned off, just as I am by the idea that weekly users are "power users" who deserve special attention. It has little to do with competition and a lot to do with inferred special treatment. - Walt Crawford
Lisa, I see your point. I work with lots of PR students, and (no offense to anyone), girly girls -- and I think both groups might be excited by some kind of loyalty program. I wouldn't like it myself, but I think my users might. It's the gamification thing, maybe. Anyway, curious to know what you find out. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I'm always puzzled by the notion we compete with other study spaces or informaiton providers. I don't really care if a student can do their work in their dorm room or a vacant classroom. I don't care if they find what they need on Google Scholar instead of an expensive database. It doesn't hurt the library's mission. This reminds me of discussions we had when resisting a bad campus... more... - barbara fister
There are other ways to recognize people who use the library a lot - like talking to them about their interests, developing a relationship with them. . - barbara fister
I want to second what Barbara said, about not caring if students study in the library or elsewhere, or if they get what they need through a library database or through Google Scholar. And then I also want to add that I don't think it serves the library or students well for students to be using the library *because* of a loyalty program (like what Kaijsa said upthread); I want students to use the best service/facility/information *for their needs* whether that's the library or something else. - Catherine Pellegrino
I think a significant issue with the loyalty idea is the very notion of the library as a diffuse thing. Like others, I don't care if students study in the library (although I am always curious why they choose the library over other spaces) and I also am thrilled if they use library resources from places other than the building my office is housed within. I agree that ensuring that folks... more... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Barbara, Catherine, and Rudi have all summarized a lot of what I think. I'm definitely concerned about making sure that people know when the library can meet their needs, and that's where marketing comes in for me. It's not okay when we find out that somebody has an unmet need that could have been satisfied by using a library resource or service, but I don't have a problem with people... more... - kaijsa
Posit for a moment ... what if we knew from research (well-designed, etc. so that casaulity can be claimed) that students who study in the library are more likely to succed than those who study elsewhere? Would that justify then trying to incentivze? To take it out of the competitive framework ... - Lisa Hinchliffe
so are we interested in getting them to study in the library OR talk to a library staffer for help? (that's my current conundrum - library is full; ref question basket is nearly empty). I'd like to incentivize question-asking. OR increasing their use of library things like EBSCO vs. Google Scholar ? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
It seems to me that what's at the heart of this idea is relationship building (deepening engagement, etc.) I'm not sure I'd be willing to get behind a loyalty program at my library, but I'd be sure to get behind other efforts that share the same goal, such as personal librarians, embedded librarians, staffing library services outside the building, working with student government and student clubs, etc. - Stephen Francoeur
I should add that it would be interesting to run a focus group with a bunch of students to float the idea of a loyalty program and see what kind of reaction you'd get. - Stephen Francoeur
Examples on - see replies to my tweet of query today. I'm all for relationship building but that isn't actually what I am positing as goal here - I see goal as encouraging students to engage in behaviors that are known to be positive correlated with (or in some cases we are at least beginning to see causally related to) better student learning and success. (I am also comfortable with the competition framing but it isn't necessary to my interest.) - Lisa Hinchliffe
It's not explicitly incentivizing, but isn't locating tutoring and academic support services in libraries a way of encouraging behaviors correlated with student success? We have a new evening supplemental instruction program for a slate of first-year courses, because we have research linking certain behaviors (studying regularly, using tutoring and SI, working the library) with... more... - kaijsa
Internal and external motivation are (1) far more intertwined than popularized psych might have us think and (2) I think it would still be better for them to do the right things for externally motivated reasons than to not do them. Finally, do you drink coffee (if you do - otherwise sub tea, sandwiches, whatever), because of the punch card? Or, does punch card give you added benefit for doing so? I drink coffee for sake of coffee - but I still like the loyalty program! - Lisa Hinchliffe
Your set of businesses that offer loyalty program suggest to me one reason I'm so repelled by the idea: Because it's businessifying the library, not just gamifying it--your examples are all commercial, and I think that's telling. - Walt Crawford
And I do apologize for "businessifying." Maybe "commercializing" is better. - Walt Crawford
Coffee is a consumer product. I was unaware that library services had become consumer goods. - laura x
I like Lisa's analogy - and I do think our students would respond to a loyalty program. (not sure for what, yet) If the decision is: "study at the student union or get my card punched at the library" I might just decide on library instead. I might have gone anyway, but I think it's a fun idea. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
We do this. Users get a special card called a "Library Card" and if they show it at the desk they can check books out for free. Customers love it. And the really sneaky thing is that they have to give the books back after a set time, so that incentivizes a return visit. - Steele Lawman
Steele: slow clap... even if "customers" is my second-least-favorite term for library patrons/users/members. - Walt Crawford
I think the point about how intertwined nature of internal vs. external motivation is a good point. Grades are a form of external motivation that, hopefully over time, encourage internal motivation towards curiosity and research and all those other liberal arts goals. I can't figure out how to square that with loyalty programs for consumer goods. I appreciate the larger question of "certain things, whether they know it or not, help students be better students, so how do we get students to do those things?" - Regular Amanda
Thinking more about this: I prefer Friends of the Library as a frame. What would an undergraduate Friends of the Library look like? What are the most successful models for Friends in public libraries? - Regular Amanda
FWIW Walt - tho maybe you would consider it commercial - our local co-op has a coffee stamp card. "Profits" go into pursuing the "ends" of the co-op, e.g., educating people about local foods, food pathways and providing discounts to low income families, etc. A local church also runs a coffeeshop that funds a food pantry. - Lisa Hinchliffe
Yes, I guess I would: in both cases there are customers paying directly for goods, which is not what libraries are (normally) all about. At least not what I think they're all about. - Walt Crawford
And yet libraries require users to pay directly for some goods - e.g., photocopying, printing. So, copy 100 get 10 free okay in those cases? Since already charging? - Lisa Hinchliffe
Oddly enough, that wouldn't bother me at all. - Walt Crawford
Isn't the logical question there, why not make copies fractionally cheaper instead of rewarding use? - Steele Lawman
I guess my problem here is that I know what the grocery store wants from me when I sign up for a card. They want me to prefer to shop with them as opposed to their competitors, and they want to gather information about my shopping habits to improve marketing, inventory decisions, etc. For me giving up a little privacy, they give me discounts on cans of beans. I really don't know what... more... - Steele Lawman
Yes, communicating clearly what the "exchange" is would be crucial in any system. Re - copies ... can only reduce costs if can guarantee volume. If give free, already know that cost of free is underwritten by the expenditures on first 100. But, of course I agree make overall as inexpensive as possible based on volume that can be assured. - Lisa Hinchliffe
But the question that I'd have in mind as a patron is, why does the library want to reward me for printing more? Why not make the first 10 free instead of waiting for me to print 100 first? I don't want to get hung up on one bad example, but it's clear why a business wants us to visit more, buy more, etc. It's much less clear what the library wants here. - Steele Lawman
^^Yes. I don't get it. - kaijsa
Don't libraries do things all the time to get students to come in to the Library? So they become aware of other services? See the friendly staff who want to help them succeed? Would this be more mystifying that the Library giving away stickers during a campus info fair? Putting up posters across campus? Etc.? - Lisa Hinchliffe
I think it is when reward gets linked to behavior that things get weird? Like, we give gifts to first-year students in their introduction to research classes. I tell them that it's to remind them that the library loves them, and that we love helping first-year students in particular. That feels good to me. Now what if instead I pass out cards and say "if you visit the circulation desk,... more... - Steele Lawman
And while I have been outspoken and very skeptical in this thread, it still wouldn't surprise me if some clever librarians out there had made this work in their context and community. People are clever. - Steele Lawman
Hopefully obvious but to make it explicitly so ... I've really appreciate all who have pushed back and articulated their qualms about this. We may not agree but we are all better for understanding those with different perspectives and I am grateful for thoughtful commentary! - Lisa Hinchliffe
Mr. The Jason Fleming
Beware the clean desk
*chats with jason, leaves some paperwork on the corner* - Sir Shuping is just sir
Dude, that's not a desk, that's a freakin' runway. :) - Catherine Pellegrino
housekeeping left a note on my desk telling me that they would be back this week and would clean my desk if I cleaned it off - Mr. The Jason Fleming
clean it how? it looks pretty clean to me - ~Courtney F
yeah, I'm not sure. Probably some disinfecting spray? - Mr. The Jason Fleming
That sounds slightly passive-aggressive of them, Jason :) - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Good grief. If you list out some of my professional work in an all professionaly way, it makes me look like this experienced professional person. So very weird.
bio: "Iris Jastram has been a Reference & Instruction Librarian at Carleton College in Northfield, Minnesota, since 2005. She speaks and writes on information literacy and instruction, is a founding member of the Library Society of the World, and serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Creative Library Practice. She also blogs about these topics (as well as technology and intellectual property and whatever else comes to mind) at Together with the other members of the Carleton Library Reference & Instruction Department, she has engaged in the Information Literacy in Student Writing project since 2008, helping to draft two publications and several presentations and workshops based on that work, all of which are linked from" - lris
Is this a bio for me? :) - kaijsa
It is :-) - lris from Android
yay! - kaijsa
You're all that. :-) - YvonneM
And a bag of chips, my dear. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
💯 - Julian
Smores with Stephanie - learn how the Park Library can help you save time. Our event is Monday - #ParkLibSavesTime. Thanks to Michelle P. for the idea & graphics! We're targeting students in 2 classes who most need to meet with me. *squee*
will there be fire? - maʀtha
is also curious about fire? - Christina Pikas
no fire. Kuerig cocoa. And smoosh ins. Plus student is baking smores cake!!!!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
What a great idea! - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Today's minor absurdity in my library: We have four printers named A, B, C, and D. This morning the dead A was replaced by ... E. So now we have four printers named E, B, C, D. Unalphabetized printers in our library. #twitch
I find this hilarious. - lris
change the name to Eh? - ellbeecee
Name them Elbert, Bunny, Clyde, and Dude. - Joe
Man, I wish I were able to name them at all! - lris
I just found a "rant" piece I wrote for Creative Nonfiction my senior year about Printers A and B. Six pages, Iris. - Lily
Make the egbdf? Music majors may get it? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Roy G Biv if they're color printers... - Aaron the Librarian
I have (had) 4 cats named Boomer, Calliope, Darnarian, & Emma. When we adopted #s 5 & 6, I wanted to have their names start with either A and F, or F and G. Didn't happen tho. #LibrarianFail. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
you could always claim that PDQ Bach invented a new musical notation... - RepoRat
At UMich at one point, we had servers named Bart, Lisa and Maggie. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Steele Lawman
Me, at end of class: "Any further questions? Anything you have always wanted to know about librarians but were afraid to ask?"
Student: "Do you spawn?" - Steele Lawman
March of the Librarians video time! - RepoRat
Me: "It's sexual reproduction, but you aren't guaranteed to give birth to another librarian. Anyone else?" - Steele Lawman
I want to like this about five more times. - Catherine Pellegrino
Like salmon returning to the stream in which they were hatched, the intrepid librarian returns to the top floor of of the academic library where their librarians dreams were hatched.... (Basement of public library or nook in school library, etc, as appropriate.) - John Dupuis
LOL - lris
That is excellent. Nice footwork - Aaron the Librarian
I'm stealing this for my class on Monday. - Lily
If you bring up the sexual reproduction part yourself, it might be awkward. - Steele Lawman
"Why are you all so awkward?" - Lily
nice. - YvonneM
a student once asked me why so many librarians wear cardigans. he said he'd always wanted to ask that. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
How did you answer? Something like "Concealed carry?" - Steele Lawman
"It hides the second brain." - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Lisa Hinchliffe
Any libraries use process improvement consultancy? Our campus has one on offer to units - (please note that "business process" here means "how work gets done" not "how profits get made" or "money changes hands" ... examples like improved accuracy in entering new hire info).
UW-Madison libraries as well as SLIS have used the Office of Quality Improvement. I've seen good results when the asking unit is very clear about what they need; middling results if the ask is vague. - RepoRat
Rachel Walden
Current mood: reluctant to spend staff time digging up info so vendors can decide how to price their product to us.
If any of you have had any luck doing anything other than digging up all the info, I'd love to hear about it. - Rachel Walden
What happens if you "estimate"? #ididntsaythat - Meg VMeg
Not sure with this one. I just resent being asked to essentially do their market research for them. - Rachel Walden
Correct - Meg VMeg
Walt Crawford
Got the CIL flyer yesterday and skimmed through it (despite 0% chance of going). Interesting: two names that always showed up multiple times and were on the planning board are now wholly absent; can't *imagine* why. And maybe a little fresh blood among the speakers.
I recognized very few names among the speakers - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
(You got in ahead of me, Rudibrarian)...On the other hand, I would have sworn that Rudibrarian works for University of Nevada, Reno, not Reno University (which I didn't even know exists and Bing can't seem to find). - Walt Crawford
oh dear. I will let Jane know I need an adjustment :) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Some familiar names (including a classmate from LIS school), but I haven't really seen anyone in Libraryland in years now. - Julian
very interesting that two persons are not listed - maʀtha
I think I know which two -- one for sure... - Julian
Not hard to figure out: one did a fauxpology for a stupid sexist joke a while back, the other's suing librarians. - Walt Crawford
Ah. Had forgotten about the former. - Julian
To continue the vendor midwinter emails, I got this Sunday. I hope no one's bought plane tickets for Chicago...
don't you know that dallas is right next to chicago! no need to fly or anything :P - Sir Shuping is just sir
Blast from the past! Your email server must be slow - Aaron the Librarian
Walt Crawford
Two-parter on my massive OA research: 1. To end the coyness, it will appear as an issue of Library Technology Reports (from ALA TechSource) sometime this summer, which means I'll do 15,000-18,000 words of reasonably tight, coherent presentation on the results and what they mean.
2. If there are one or two of you--max. three--who would like to review the rough draft of "Idealism and Opportunism: The State of Open Access Journals," let me know. The draft should be ready late this week or very early next; I'd need comments and suggestions within two weeks of sending the PDF. Reward: I'll send you a signed copy of the LTR issue when it appears. - Walt Crawford
[The Library Loon is not eligible, as it's linked to at least once. But then, the Library Loon isn't on FriendFeed. The BAE, whoever that might be, probably is eligible.] - Walt Crawford
Oh, and if it's not clear: the draft will be fully formatted (in a style resembling LTR) and will be roughly 17,000 to 18,000 words, or about 42-44 pages. One rough-draft chapter left to go; right now it's at 16,600 words, and the final chapter should be brief. - Walt Crawford
I'd love to but timeline doesn't work for me. I'll look forward to seeing final version though! - Hedgehog
Hedgehog: if your library subscribes to LTR, you'll get it automatically; if not, it should be $45 (with the first chapter free online). Dunno *when* this summer it will appear... - Walt Crawford
If its useful for me to to review then I should be able to do on that timeframe. This week tight, next week mostly tight (but with some plane time Friday), week after starting to clear somewhat. - Cameron Neylon
Hi Cameron, I'm mostly looking for library people, but I'd be happy to send you a copy. Hi others: If it takes more than 2-3 hours to read through it and tell me if there's something glaring that I missed/overemphasized/screwed up, I've done it wrong. That's really what I'm looking for; it will go through proper editorial and copyediting passes in any case. - Walt Crawford
I should note that the only journal I mention by name is PLoS ONE, of necessity given a discussion of publication volume. (That is: there are four OA journals I tag as "megajournals," but one of them--PLoS ONE-- has fivetimes as many articles as the other three combined.) - Walt Crawford
Caveat: That's as of the penultimate chapter. The final chapter might have one list of journal names as an example of OA presence in one relatively small field, namely LIS. Or might not. - Walt Crawford
<bump> Anybody else? - Walt Crawford
can't - must dissertate - but I'm sure you'll find someone good! - Christina Pikas
Thanks. No pressure. I rarely even ask (being, you know, an arrogant SOB)--but I'm ahead of schedule this time, so thought it was worth a try. - Walt Crawford
I have a big presentation on the 29th, so as long as I can start after that I should be able to do a review. - John Dupuis
np - I'd love to see a copy in any case! - Cameron Neylon
John, Cameron, I'll email you both PDFs when the draft is complete--either Friday or Monday, most likely. I don't plan to touch it after that until February 9, and even comments by February 16 would be useful. Thanks! (Could you each send me your email address--in email to I can send the PDF?) - Walt Crawford
Walt, I am no open access fiend, or even very smarts about it, but I would like to know more -- and would, therefore, be happy to look at your piece for my own education AND to help you out. If you want library type feedback without OA expertise, I'm your girl. :-) [will gmail that to you too] - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Thanks all! John, Cameron and Stephanie have sent me emails, and I'll send them PDFs. Three seems about right. - Walt Crawford
Christina Pikas
Anyone know about "Journal of Small Satellites"? afaict not in DOAJ. Publisher site (Deepak Publishing) looks a bit, um, incomplete? BUT there's a good article by a reputable researcher there. Oh, and the site is down right now.
What is it? Title, volume, issue, page? I see the cached version. - Joe
The one by swartwout on cubesats vol2 issue 2 - Christina Pikas from iPhone
This PDF link work for you? [If not, I can email it to ya.] - Joe
It works but the parent site doesn't. Or didn't. But I guess I'm wondering about the journal - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Meg VMeg
Huge, huge, massive favor: does anyone have Sky & Telescope (1975 plus first few issues of 1976) on the shelf and have a bit of spare time today or tomorrow to look through them for me?
we do (74 and earlier is in storage, but 75-09 is on the shelf). I can't today, but likely could tomorrow afternoon - after 1:00 or so. I'll be numb post-dentist anyway, so it's not a great time to have conversations with people. - ellbeecee
we've got 'em as well, much to my surprise. And I have two hours of tumbleweeds-reference-desk this afternoon. - Catherine Pellegrino
Thanks!!!! DMing. - Meg VMeg
Congratulations! It’s a Word! | Wordnik -
This is kind of a great idea and I love it. Who wants a word? - RepoRat from Bookmarklet
That is tempting, in a whimsical sort of way. - Deborah Fitchett
I may buy the huz a word for his birthday. Suggestions if you got 'em. Edit: Oh, hey, here's one. - RepoRat
I want a word. - Marie
Deborah Fitchett
Anyone had that thing where you do a search in Web of Science/Knowledge and page through the results and one or more of the results pages comes up blank?
We're getting it with a phrase search for {"xanthomonas campestris pv campestris"} on pages 3-5, reproduced in IE, Chrome, and Firefox. If you lose the quotes everything's fine. OTOH if you stick with the phrase search but narrow the research area to plant sciences you get the problem on page 1-6 (and 10 and 20, I haven't tested everything in between). - Deborah Fitchett
This issue feels *vaguely familiar* from a couple of years back but I haven't worked as heavily with WOS in the last couple years as I did then and I can't remember what the issue is. It feels a bit like there's something with the metadata on some records that the javascript can't cope with, idk. Anyway, writing to WoS but if anyone knows anything else about it would be useful. - Deborah Fitchett
Pages 3-5 are loading okay for me, for your phrase in quotes. - Meg VMeg from Android
Is this "Web of Science Core Collection" or "Web of Science Plus Whatever"? - Meg VMeg
...Er... oh, I think it's Plus Whatever, which for us appears to be CABI, Current Contents, FSTA, KCI, MEDLINE and SciELO Citation Index. If I just do it in Core then page 3 is okay too. Fascinating... - Deborah Fitchett
Email from support says "Unfortunately you have encountered a known system problem. Our programming department is aware of the problem and is currently working on a resolution." - Deborah Fitchett
Huh. - Meg VMeg
What I'm afraid of is that I'm right in remembering it from a couple of years back and that it really is that intractable of a bug. :-/ - Deborah Fitchett
It's kind of fascinating, though. - Meg VMeg
Rachel Walden
Anybody have experience with Alma and Primo? Apparently we're moving to that.
Yup! There's several of us who either have moved or are in process. We've got a group here: - Kirsten
Welcome to the madness! - Jen
Oh, awesome, thank you! - Rachel Walden
We have it - I'm starting to learn all about it - copystar
We're considering it. - lris
We're in the middle of implementation with plans to go live in July. - Galadriel C.
We went live in December and are having ALL KINDS of problems. :-( - Megan loves summer
We rejected it. - JffKrlsn from Android
What did you select in its place? - lris
we're moving to it too - weelibrarian
We would have gone with it two years ago, but the cost was prohibitive. Keeping what we had for now. - Holly's favorite Anna
We went live with Alma/Primo at end of August and it's working well. Teething problems of course and minor bugs but very little of that is at all visible to the enduser. - Deborah Fitchett
Iris, in its place we selected nothing... we closed out our process and started over. Several months later we are recommending Sierra (more update than migration--we currently use Millennium and they didn't change much), and will be using EDS for the public interface; OPAC will still exist but be very much in the background, not easy to find. - JffKrlsn
Ah, ok. If you'd be willing to tell me more about what made you turn away, I would really like to hear it: ijastram at - lris
Well, I've decided to go to MLA in Austin instead of ACRL. Anyone else going?
medlibs? is this thing on? - maʀtha
Rachel? Nicki? - maʀtha
A couple people from my place are going, I think, but not me - Hedgehog from Android
aw, too bad, Hedgie - maʀtha
I am going to an acrl preconf to hang with the jambina. [And, sorry that I read this wrong...] - Joe
I will almost certainly be going this year. - Rachel Walden
yay! - maʀtha
Walt Crawford
Separately, for anyone who's interested: I *will* be releasing anonymized versions of the DOAJ and Beall spreadsheets with the results of my work--lacking publisher and journal names and most notes, but with all the data. Prob. in CSV form with an HTML data "manual." Probably in mid-February.
Good for you! - Meg VMeg
Where do you plan to post the data? Figshare? Stuart Lawson has some interesting data there too: - John Dupuis
I was actually just planning to put the files up on my personal website, but I'll look at figshare. (Never been there; assuming no fees & not too difficult...) OK; I've looked at figshare, and might use that. - Walt Crawford
Oh, and I should say: with the explicit permission of ALA TechSource--that is, to make it available before the Library Technology Reports issue appears. Shouldn't hurt readership at all, since it's raw data. - Walt Crawford
figshare is free, dead simple to upload to, dead simple to download from, and increasingly popular. Perfect for your purposes here I think. - Deborah Fitchett
I may do that. OTOH, I have to admit that the forced CC0 bugs me a little bit, as it seems to invite use-without-attribution (I'd prefer CC BY; yes, most of the spreadsheets are just uncopyrightable facts, but still...) Still, that may be the way I go. - Walt Crawford
I think, besides the 'uncopyrightable facts' thing, re which I'm not a lawyer, the rationale behind CC0 for data is (at least mine is when I use it) that if referring to it in a scholarly context one ought to cite it anyway as a matter of best practice; but that CC0 lets people remix multiple datasets in contexts where citing every single dataset involved would get unwieldy. I do grok other issues around it though. - Deborah Fitchett
I sort of understand that...and, as I say, there's a good chance I'll use figshare. - Walt Crawford
Meg VMeg
Does anyone know any engineering-type library people in the NYC area? We're looking for someone to help out with a weeding project.
Walt Crawford
Why am I not surprised that when CCC gets involved with open access, "handling APCs" is pretty much the whole story--and, of course, "hybrid" journals rule!
Sorry this is after the deadline. I'm catching up on LJ lib group and there's one about a job posting: ""The Perfect Candidate"…will be a spicy but dependable blend of Bunny Watson, Rupert Giles, and Flynn Carsen."
Megan loves summer
Is anyone familiar with / subscribing to Open Book Publishers, started at Cambridge? They have a library membership scheme through which libraries can support the initiative (and pay for downloadable access, etc.)
I know the founders, they're good folks. Coming from an academic, not library background but have built the operation up from scratch, essentially with no outside support. Its a freemium model (unless a specific book gets additional funding) where ePub/PDF etc are extra but online reading is free (print also attracts a premium over cost but not huge revenue there). If I were writing a... more... - Cameron Neylon
Cool, thanks. - Megan loves summer
Got $2.2 million? You can buy a golden cod from Newfoundland artist Ben Ploughman Also:
but will it be a golden cod OF ETHICS? - RepoRat
ha! - maʀtha
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