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So librarians. Much distraction. Very LOL. Wow.
Walt Crawford
An unusually interesting & sensible (mostly) discussion at Skitch, at least mostly. (Al. Henderson's comment is so far out of left field...but it's also a comment.)
Library Assessment Conference in Seattle. Who will I see there? If there are enough of us, LSW meetup?
I will be there! Yes to meetup! - kaijsa
Kaijsa, yay! - Marie
Say hi to a colleague for me... Carrie Forbes from DU will be there. - Joe
Marie, I'm staying with a friend who's a former coworker at UW and we're going to be there for all of the evening stuff and everything, but she and I are joined at the hip while commuting from the burbs. Let's get together, but I'm bringing her, too. She's awesome. - kaijsa
Joe, I love Carrie. Thanks for the heads up. - kaijsa
Gah, I didn't know there was evening stuff. I should look at the sched. I'm looking forward to meeting Kaijsa's friend and will seek out Carrie. - Marie
Monday is poster session and reception. Tuesday is conference reption in my alma mater's gorgeous Sylvan Grove. Wednesday it's over. - kaijsa
I don't want to work with 1-shot instructors who don't respect me or my time enough to plan effectively for a session (outside of emergencies). Unfortunately my boss feels differently. I've just had too many last-minute sessions that could have so much better if they were actually integrated into the course.
:( - Andy
But I'm going to be out of town so if you could just show them the usual stuff, you know, repeat the same things they've heard before, that'd be great, thanks! - ellbeecee
Yuck. What's the argument from your boss? I'm lucky here that we have agreed on some criteria for saying no to instruction, but that came after a lot of discussions and deconstructing arguments for taking all comers/prioritizing professors' needs over ours. - kaijsa
I'll probably delete this post later but...she seems to think if students are here (whether by hook or crook) we can *still* teach them something useful. Me: "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works!" To her credit, she's been srsly grilling the latest offender. - YvonneM
Hmm. Best of luck. Students aren't the most receptive when they're in under duress or feel like they're being babysat. And it's near-useless when not connected to a real task. But I'm telling you what you already know. - kaijsa
Walt Crawford
As I've been dealing with thousands of journal websites, I took a dim view of Gold OA sites with too much going on (I call it "Bollywood Style"), most of them from India. And then, a couple of days ago, I hit two Elsevier Gold OA journal sites...
Just as busy as the ones I tended to dislike--but even more difficult (read "impossible") to determine the APC, and I'm pretty damn sure there is one. Less sideways-moving type, but equally headache-inducing. So "clean journal site design" clearly isn't a reason to favor The Biggest over the sketchy Indian startups. (No, I normally wouldn't be at Elsevier journals. Why would I? But I assumed they were as clean as, say, Hindawi or BMC.) - Walt Crawford
Walt Crawford
Surprise Wednesday: just backing out to go to the Wednesday hike, fellow walking waves at me, tells me "you have a flat tire." Sure enough. CSAA on its way (I've managed to avoid ever changing a tire), then off to the store where we bought the tire a year ago to get a replacement...
Changing a tire is kind of fun, when it works. Can you get the current one patched? Much cheaper than replacing it. - laura x
The tire's under warranty; my wife says she really doesn't want a repaired tire. Those will factor in to the decision. (Which is to say: $100 for peace of mind is well worth it.) - Walt Crawford
I don't mind changing tires. I volunteered to do a guy's a work, but he called AAA so was just going to sit there and wait for them for an hour or so instead :) - Christina Pikas
I had a flat in Wyoming once while park at my house. My friend helped me take the tire to the shop, two blocks away, and then she said, "Oh, and can you just deliver this back to Laura's house when you're done?" Len did, and he insisted on putting it back on for me. I said, "What do I owe you?" He said, "You're a librarian, right? Read a book for me sometime." I gave him some banana bread. Then my 6'5" handyman friend Jim complained that Len never delivered *his* tires and put them back on. The end. - laura x
Your story is very Wyoming. The OEM battery in my 11-year-old SUV died suddenly, blocking the entrance to the carwash on a sunny day. Were the guys in pickups behind me annoyed? No, they came over and insisted on trying to jump it, called a friend who tows when it wouldn't work. The tow driver used his double diesel to jump it, refused to charge me, and followed me to O'Reilly, where the teenager who sold me a new battery installed it for me in the lot. - kaijsa
Followup: The tire wasn't repairable; wound up spending $32 for new tire & installation (half of that's installation/balancing), with a slight price increase for the tire but a 93% credit for the old tire. It's all good. Actually, the guy that spotted it offered to help change the tire--but, y'know, the AAA guy uses a *real* jack that makes things so much faster & safer, and we almost never use AAA but pay for it every year. Mostly just missed the hike, and changing the tire wouldn't have helped there. - Walt Crawford
[Apparently ran over a big-ass screw on the way home last time driving, I'd guess: Entered the tread and apparently long enough to affect the sidewall. That side of the tire was the flattest I've ever seen a modern tire.] - Walt Crawford
Why I Quit My Library Job and Why I No Longer Want One | INALJ -
Once upon a time, I was co-workers with the author. - Julian
Also, a quite timely blog post. Yesterday marked exactly one year of me working outside of Libraryland. (This might be the first time that I have ever so publicly shared that.) - Julian
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Squee, y'all. Crunching through dissertation data, and there is actual interesting stuff in here to back up anecdatal complaints about library leadership/management. This might actually prove *useful* in terms of defining the gap so we can solve it. Hunh.
Meg VMeg
Wah. No toy libraries in Manhattan. - Stephen Francoeur
Weirdly, the one I know about here isn't listed. - laura x
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
About to start posting shoes in the Shooz room and my feed, for those interested. (Will not be posting them to LSW, though I think shoes are relevant to your interests ;) )
I wish I didn't have back problems. I'd so get a pair. - YvonneM
Ack. Go offline for a bit and missed the start! - Christina Pikas from iPhone
More will be posted tonight (around 5pm Pacific)! - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
*wonders if The Running Of The Shoes will occur tonight* - Katy S from iPhone
Hee, sorry. Early bedtimes due to feeling under the weather. I'm hoping to get more up tonight. They'll include some Dansko slides, some Naturalizer and Born booties, some Born flats/skimmers, and more! - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
I figured you might be feeling under the weather. - Katy S from iPhone
Sorry you're not feeling well :( Will petting all the shooz help? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Walt Crawford
Came *this* close to commenting at SKitch, with Joe Esposito blathering about how much he's irked by university librarians with $50 million budgets being contemptuous of university presses. I'm guessing Joe believes there are dozens or hundreds of such university libraries. In fact, as of 2012 data, there are ten (10) in the U.S.
So since he speaks of being irked as something that occurs a lot, he'd have a pretty short list of candidates. But not gonna go there: I know better than to enter the SKitch hall of mirrors. - Walt Crawford
[And as to the Go Big or Go Home: I'm eventually working on an informal essay about the *dis*economies of scale, apparently, where non-med/bio Gold OA is concerned: How so many libraries, colleges and associations can afford to run smallish OA journals without APC.] - Walt Crawford
If you're wondering: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, USC, Michigan, Columbia, NYU, Penn State, Princeton, UCLA. Yes, I know, Berkeley should be on that list, but Berkeley lost a lot of budget over the period 2002-2012, and is just now getting *part* of it back. Berkeley, Cornell, UT Austin and UIUC would be next up, but all under $50 big ones. - Walt Crawford
There are some interesting diseconomies of scale that emerge across the board. One that ONE is dealing with is that it has to deal systematically with all sorts of misbehaviour and odd occurrences that most journals would only ever see one or two examples of, so they take an ad hoc approach. Raises some interesting questions about what we miss about the issues in the literature because... more... - Cameron Neylon
I won't be writing anything deep or, um, scholarly, but Cameron, you raise some interesting points. On the other hand, many (most?) of the non-hard-science journals I'm looking at have somewhat different issues (for one thing, life & death are rarely involved!). On the grappling hand, some of those *really* small journals are going to disappear from DOAJ given the new rules (they publish fewer than five articles a year). - Walt Crawford
In my addled mind, a biology, biomed, medical or agriculture journal that publishes four articles a year is a pretty clear failure--where a journal devoted to the work of one author (there are several of those) might be doing just fine at that level. - Walt Crawford
JH isn't in that top 10? surprised! - Christina Pikas
Johns Hopkins' total library spending was around $37.3 million in 2012. - Walt Crawford
Is there any university anywhere else in the world that goes anywhere near $US50M - I had thought eg Oxford was around £18M so a long way short... - Cameron Neylon
@Walt "Viability is correlated with quality": discuss. Seriously not clear to me. You raise an interesting question about both what is viable (work on a single author? sounds tough) and what *should* be viable. Scale to give viability at the journal level implies a certain kind of subject matter. Creating scale at a platform level that allows more subject vertical and niche 'journals'... more... - Cameron Neylon
Cameron: As to the first, I have no idea. As to the second: I'm not sure I'm saying viability is correlated with quality, since I'm not sure I believe that. These are some tough issues that I'm probably not even the best person to be writing about; I just tossed off a couple of things here, based on the casual research I'm doing. As you say, more for (someone) to think about... - Walt Crawford
prepping to talk to a bunch of pr faculty tomorrow. I love doing the orientations BEFORE school starts. Esp. for the group o' faculty that provides most of my instruction business!!
My team arriving in Kingston
David Fiander's biking across Canada right now to raise money for Friends for Life. He and his team can still accept sponsorship if you're inclined.
One of the team captains is the YarnHarlot, an author and knitblogger that I've followed for a number of years now. :) - Hedgehog
I'm not biking across Canada, although it feels like it today after trying to sleep through a severe thunderstorm last night in a tent. I'm biking from Toronto to Montreal, just over 600km - DJF from Android
here's the link to David's page - maʀtha
also, fyi, he is about $300 short of meeting his fundraising goal. - maʀtha
Thanks for the reminder - I forgot that I meant to put something toward his goal. Done now, though sadly I couldn't do much at all. - ellbeecee
Dude, to us non-cyclists, Toronto to Montreal is pretty effectively "across Canada". :) (Even though I know how much more Canada there actually is.) - Jenica
it's from upper canada to lower canada! - jambina
My route encompasses almost half of Canada's population, how's that? - DJF from Android
I'm now in Kingston, Ontario, which is about half way there. Yesterday, the derailleur (the thing that actually shifts gears) fell of my bike mid ride, so today I rode a "loaner". The support crew is going to pick up some parts at a bike store this afternoon, so I should be back on my own bike tomorrow. - DJF from Android
David Rothman (☤)
Academic libraryfolk: I havn't worked in a library in 3 years, and that was at a community hospital. One of the faculty I support wants to know the reputation of this journal: I'm aware that Herbert is on Beall's List...but that's not enough for me. Any info on the publisher you're aware of?
None, but there is some pretty choice boolsheet on that page, as well as some unhappy grammar. E.g. "the full-text of each article will be deposited and permanently archived in Google Scholar." Um, GScholar is not an archive. - RepoRat
Googling for HOAJ brought up this, which makes them seem a little dodgy: - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I am inclined to say "don't walk away -- run." - RepoRat
Also, they list DOAJ on the bottom, but searching DOAJ doesn't bring up any of their journals. I'd pass. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
There's one journal from them there, something or other about cancer therapeutics, but it's not this journal. - RepoRat
i do not like single-blind peer review. - jambina
Many thanks, RR. (Related, I told faculty member to check this out: ) - David Rothman (☤)
Coming at it from an "I don't care about Beall's list" perspective, what I see is similar for nearly all Herbert journals: very few articles, even fewer for that one than most others, which suggests that it's not gained any traction. (Six articles over two years.) Enough reason to approach with a LOT of caution. Bringing up things like RR's note. - Walt Crawford
[The Journal of Cancer Therapeutics and Research is one of three Herbert OA journals that seems to be attracting authors even at $1,350 a pop, with 34 papers in 2012, 21 in 2013 and 4 in the first half of 2014; the others are on anesthesiology and diabetes--two different journals, to be sure.] - Walt Crawford
I'm embedded with an online class of current & future teachers. I really want to encourage them to collaborate with their school librarians once the year begins. What would be a good, non-pushy way to do this? I'm guessing many of them have never thought of working with a librarian before.
Could you suggest they approach their school librarians (and public, many of them may not have school librarians) for Common Core assistance-- adding non-fiction that speaks to the students? If they'll have read aloud time in their classroom librarians can help them find cool books to read. We'd hear from teachers sometimes in advance of a history project or a "find a this kind of thing" project so we could say "oh, you're in Ms X's class, let's look at the mysteries or the autobiographies" - Hedgehog
Thanks. :-) - YvonneM
tell them you can help them find books & stuff for *them* -- if you show them how the system benefits them, they might realize it benefits their students too? (maybe better for HS folks than lower grades). Books, newspapers, magazines -- all free! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I'm always pushy, I guess. What works well for us is to show them the resources they have through our state library/university-paid statewide access. Your situation may differ, but in Wyoming, all school, public, and community college libraries have access to the same suite of databases. Showing them what they can access in the wild is a good way to also tie in a reminder that their local librarians are also amazing resources. Framing it as what they can get to after class ends is a good hook. - kaijsa
Does their school system still have librarians? Not always a given - maʀtha
That's a great question, Martha. You're right, I shouldn't assume. I'm an academic librarian myself, but I know there's been drastic cutbacks in this area. :-( So far I've linked them to some stats showing how school librarians help students' academic performance. - YvonneM
Friends, I am piloting a 1 credit lab for a poli sci research methods class in the fall, and need to get cracking on my syllabus! Have you built or taught one of these? Are you willing share tips, techniques, or whole syllabi?
Hm, I have not built or taught a lab, but I did work with our PoliSci methodologist on his classes for instruction. Is this a 1 hr research lab where they'll be asking you about SPSS programming for their data, or is it more basic methodology stuffs like defining qual vs quant, proper research design, etc? - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
The class I will attached to is a pilot Research Methods class. So, this is the library lab part of it, where I can go more in depth and hands on where necessary. Prof will handle research design in class, and also the data analysis portion of the lab. But I might, for example, do a session on identifying research methods from reading published materials. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I will be covering basic library research stuffs as well, since this class is being instituted specifically to address that PS students are getting scarce exposure to library research methods (and direct teaching of PS research methods...) before their 400 classes. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Cool. Was it hard getting this through administration? - YvonneM
So far, no. But nothing was changed. A current course is being offered as Research Methods, and the students are being told to sign up for a 1-credit independent study with me. If all goes well, we'll propose an official 4-credit Research Methods class, with the lab built-in and me as co-teacher - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So interesting! I'd love to do something like this. :-) Good for you. - YvonneM
We do this - my colleague Julie Gilbert developed it. Look her up - she has done it for years and it's effective. - barbara fister from iPhone
Barbara, I have her article! I was thinking about contacting her for the syllabus, but wasn't sure if that might be weird or not. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
tell her I sent you :) - barbara fister from iPhone
7 days of unread email: first pass took from 9:05-11:07am. Do you think I regret even for one nanosecond not answering anything while on vacation? Did I miss anything here/in LSW since the 19th?
I first read that as "7 days of undead email." - Regular Amanda
Undead email sounds way scarier than zombies. ::shudder:: - YvonneM
Sir Shuping is just sir
anyone here speak Russian? I'm trying to find a book for a professor, but I can't tell if Google's translate is accurate enough to give me the info that I need.
You can try me. Very rusty. - barbara fister
this is what I'm trying to find, at least as best as i can tell: the title that the professor provided is "Syn chelovecheskii: Ob otsse Aleksandre Mene" - Sir Shuping is just sir
and thank you for offering to take a look at this for me Barbara I appreciate it - Sir Shuping is just sir
Should be the same book, yeah. Looks like a literary biography? - RepoRat
I think it's a literary biography. thanks for verifying for me! - Sir Shuping is just sir
four semesters of Russian not in vain for nothin'! *g* - RepoRat
Sorry, drifted off into another world for a bit. Repo has your back, here. It's about a religious figure who got killed (with an ax! how Russian) - - barbara fister
Regular Amanda
Does anyone have recommendations for basic online computer training? I know we have amazing public librarians here who have probably developed their own online computer training! Or can personally recommend some sites. I'm asking for one of our alums that wants to brush up on Word, email and attachments, what the Internet is, etc.
I'm also finding the local library's computer class schedule for them, but they want online stuff, too, and I couldn't find any suggestions towards that on my local lib website. - Regular Amanda
Jessamyn West has a short list at - RepoRat also has some good stuff, but it does cost - Hedgehog
Our public online learning page: GCF learn free gets raves from our librarians. Some of the things on the page are accessible via HCPL card but maybe available to you locally at your library. - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
I should have known to just check HCPL :) - Regular Amanda
Walt Crawford
Just got email from Lars Bjørnshauge, managing director of DOAJ, with some (very) kind words for my series of OA-related articles, especially the big look at the real numbers behind Beall's list. This has made my weekend.
ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Admitting defeat of de feet. Coming soon: massive sale-slash-giveaway of beautiful shoes that the rheumatoid & spondylitis make it impossible to wear. I'm keeping the Sanitas, Danskos, and sneakers. All the pretty stuff and the winter stuff will be up for grabs. If you or a friend is a 9.5M, stay tuned....
I hate this. So sad!!!! - Mary Carmen from iPhone
It's okay. I'm comforting myself with promises that I will only wear cool Sanita print clogs. Size 41, y'all. ;) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
I will worship the ground you (now comfortably) walk on for cute winter stuff. - Meg VMeg
Also, Fluevogs. Many Fluevogs need new homes. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Meg, I have lots of low heel booties, by Born, Naturalizer, Crown Vintage/Born - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
I am sad about your loss, but I'm glad that we live in a time in which shoes can be both cute and comfy. - Katy S
I'm also sad about your loss, but evilly rubbing my hands together as I can wear that size. - Christina Pikas
dear lord, you said the F-word - Meg VMeg
i am so bummed i'm not the right size - jambina
Also a bunch of pairs of Poetic License - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
:( - maʀtha
I'm trying to grow an extra half size on my feet as we speak. *focuses* - Hookuh Tinypants
I wear a size 42 Dansko, alas - maʀtha
^^ I giggled at the visual. Is this a Sheldon Cooper type of focus? - Janet
Always. :D - Hookuh Tinypants from FreshFeed
Count me interested! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Did you all see that our own Barbara Fister is on Slate? Excellent.
Thanks. I thought maybe they just took note of my CC-BY license, but apparently they have a deal with IHE to syndicate an artilcle once a week, and this time it got to be me. Interesting - different gang of commenters. Luckily no trolls. - barbara fister
Definitely a different crowd. Wonder what else you could get over there! - RepoRat
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I love the magic 8 ball one - maʀtha from Bookmarklet
I should just buy a Magic 8 ball for the desk - maʀtha
Magic 8 ball FTW! - RepoRat
omg I love the argyle one - Soup in a TARDIS
Rachel Walden
I know a medlib who is taking a Coursera on data science right now and is enjoying it a lot. She'd like to talk to someone who does data science work, and I know there are some of you here, but my mind is completely blank. Help? Anyone willing to be put in touch w a good egg?
@DainaBouquin & @l_zilinski were both in my IRDL cohort & were awesomesauce. Daina's more medical, Lisa more academic. And yeah, @hedgielib. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Sure point her my way. Also @KristinBriney, Dorothea, Amy West at Milwaukee, and I've some other people on Twitter from RDAP if that'd help. - Hedgehog
Depends on what you mean by data science. If it's analytics or visualization, I can't help you. If it's management and preservation of data, I can. - RepoRat
Thanks all! - Rachel Walden
Walt Crawford
In case you missed it, Wayne Bivens-Tatum expanded his blog response to Beall's "OA advocates are collectivists" triple-C article into an article, just published in...triple-C.
"You should realize that when Joseph Esposito (2013) at the generally anti-open access Scholarly Kitchen blog thinks your anti-open access rant is excessive, you’ve crossed some sort of threshold." HAHAHAHAHA! - jambina
Even the abstract is making me chuckle " a rare example of reactionary rhetoric from a librarian" - Hedgehog
I'm sure rhetoricians have a complicated Greco-Latinate word for "describing the world as one would prefer it to be rather than as it is," but I'm not a rhetorician and don't know what the word is. - RepoRat
In Silicon Valley, that's called the Jobs Reality Distortion Field. But he was able to pull it off. - DJF from Android
In the course of things, I came across a great assignment suggestion which indicated that Academic Search Premier had "cited reference" searching. Try as I might, I'm not finding it. I'm not even seeing linked citations, which I know are in other EBSCO databases. Am I missing something here? Have you done cited reference searching in ASP?
Yes, cited reference is kind of hidden, but you can get to it at the very top in the blue bar, next to the link to the Subject Terms. Some other EBSCO products have it, so the "choose databases" option is available there so you can search across databases if you want. - kaijsa
Also some journals are indexed and others (most?) aren't. So it's a cool feature but very limited, far from comprehensive. - JffKrlsn from Android
Also you can do things on the admin side to make it more visible. Left-hand limiter for "references available." Your users will have no idea what that means, of course. " - JffKrlsn from Android
Neat, I didn't know they had this. Although, when I try to get the citing articles, it says to "mark checkboxes and click Find Citing Articles" but there are no checkboxes to check. Anywhere. ETA: Oh wait, there are 3 checkboxes, in a list of 20 results. Puzzling. - Meg VMeg
Kajisa, thanks! I completely missed that link! I did notice, switching between EBSCO databases that the limit to include articles with references available is missing on ASP, I assumed that was what I was looking for. Meg, I wonder if the checkbox is only there for articles FT is ASP? All the cited references I'm looking at right now have our find it link, and no check boxed/ - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
The assignment that referred to this has them compare cited reference searching in Web of Science, Google Scholar, and ASP. I think ASP isn't a great for this, the cited reference search is too hidden, specific, and non-intuituve for this. But now I'm wondering if there is a good third database to use in an exercise like this? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
SciFinder Scholar, HeinOnline, and IEEE Xplore do this. PubMed sort of does, but it's worse than EBSCO. Some of the full-text collections do, but you'll likely grab that content anyway, for example Science Direct in Web of Science. I guess it depends on the discipline area(s) you're working with. - kaijsa
Scopus, if you have Scopus. - Meg VMeg
The big 3 are GS, Scopus and Wos, Then pubmed I think. I remember there used to be this great libguides or article that covered a ton of databases that could do cited references. Anyway the top 3 in this libguides search is pretty good - aaron
Megan loves summer
Sleeping pods at a local uni. Want.
Funnily we did an april fool's joke on this. about pods in the library - aaron
Jennifer Howard
Hi everbody. I'm trying to plumb the murky depths of Amazon's dealings with university presses, and it seems like there's possibly an academic-library angle in there somewhere. Are libraries buying much (some) content from Amazon? Does Amazon fill any gaps the library vendors can't or don't? Any insight (or other questions to ask) would be welcome.
I'm pretty sure our undergrad library uses Amazon for quick delivery of brand-new (so not easily ILLable) books, and I think also for some stuff on the "book cafe" casual-reading shelves. There may be more, but I don't hang out in those circles so I don't know about it. My overall sense is that Amazon is a useful backstop for when the Usual Suspects don't have something or can't get it... more... - RepoRat
Can you be more specific about what you mean by "content"? Like, print books? Ebooks? Streaming audio/video? We buy a lot of (print) books, but nothing else. - Catherine Pellegrino
Print books primarily but I'd be interested in hearing about other content as well. - Jennifer Howard
We use it for rush orders, since our normal book vendor's rush process isn't as fast, and usually costs much more. We'll also use Amazon Marketplace for out of print orders or replacement books. Our media librarians buy content from Amazon regularly, but I'm not sure if they have other sources. I don't work with that aspect. - Holly's favorite Anna
Public library here. We use it for some stuff because of better prices or lack of availability through our regular vendor, but it is a serious pain in the neck. - laura x
I know that for us while it isn't a preferred vendor, we've used it to get items that are out of print or otherwise difficult to locate. Not so sure about scholarly type books though, we tend to get those through our vendors even if amazon is cheaper. - Sir Shuping is just sir
Yeah, we pretty much find that many books are cheaper on amazon than through our other "library" vendors, even when you factor in shipping, etc., so we buy from whoever's got the lowest price. - Catherine Pellegrino
We used to use it a lot for our 'Buy not Borrow' stuff but I think we've mostly moved to one of the regular book folk. I think one problem for DVD content is we really need subtitles for accessibility and Amazon doesn't always have those versions. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
I know our acquisitions folks order quite a bit from Amazon. Rush orders and things not held by our jobber, for example. And quite a few out of print things are there, too. - lris
We will use Amazon (or Alibris) for books more than 2-3 years old, because they are faster and more reliable than asking the vendor to do a search. And we use Amazon for a lot of current fiction and film because it comes cheaper and faster that way. Thinking about university presses, though, I think we only use Amazon for older/out of print titles, not new UP titles. I *think* most new UP titles come in through approval plans w/ various vendors. - Regular Amanda
I use Amazon for virtually all of my books. I'm a tiny branch library not affiliated with the univ. library, so I am too small for a jobber. Also, I haz a credit card for work, so it's pretty easy, and very fast. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
We use it for some print book purchases (mostly when speed matters); we buy a LOT of our DVDs from Amazon. (We don't stream video and rarely acquire performance rights; home use, baby.) - barbara fister
AFAIK we get some things from Amazon, mostly on a rush order or it's unusual and our regular people don't have it. Same went for when I was at a public library though Rochelle could speak better to their current policy on that. - Hedgehog
Rush orders at MPOW too especially if a person submits an ILl request and indicates that they want the library to purchase. When that service was set up, it was implemented promising users a very short turn around time. - Galadriel C. from Android
Threadjack here: many of you are describing a situation where you only use Amazon if you need something faster than your usual vendors can deliver it, or the usual vendors don't have it. Do you generally find, then, that your vendors' prices are competitive with Amazon's? Because ours sure as heck aren't, a lot of the time. - Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine, I haven't looks lately, but a few years ago the answer was yes: baker and Taylor and Amazon were offering similar discounts on many items - Jenica from iPhone
Catherine, we pay our jobber to prep the books to be "shelf-ready" and to provide clean MARC records to our specifications. Every book ordered from somewhere else adds staff time to cataloging and processing, so that's also a factor in price. Amazon is useful for obtaining materials that our jobber can't, or faster, but that's where it ends for us. The price of the book is only one part of the cost. - Holly's favorite Anna
Anna: Ah, I see -- yeah, we don't have our jobbers do any prep for our books (we looked into it and the cost factor was through the roof) so that makes a difference in what the total cost of an item might be. The person who places our orders checks Amazon, YBP, and B&T, and reports that at least 2/3 of the time, Amazon has the best price. Now, keep in mind that we don't have approval... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
Anyways, apologies for the threadjack! (Jennifer, I have no idea if this conversation is interesting/useful/comprehensible to you, so if it's not, please feel free to delete!) - Catherine Pellegrino
Also, negotiated discounts work just as mysteriously with jobbers as the do with journal packages. - lris
^^ That was my suspicion. - Catherine Pellegrino
No need to apologize--very interesting convo. Tx. - Jennifer Howard
I didn't have space to do more than mention Amazon sales to libraries in this; But maybe I can return to the subject. - Jennifer Howard
the tyranny of the column-inch ;) - RepoRat
Story of my life, even though a lot of what we do is online now, where in theory space doesn't matter. - Jennifer Howard
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And a Senator snagged for some severe plagiarism: - his conclusions are taken nearly word for word with no attribution, but he doesn't believe he plagiarized because he "didn't do anything intentional." Oh, my.
Also, what's the deal with a 14-page masters thesis? - Stephen Francoeur
We have a new plagiarism tutorial coming out this fall, and I got a little giddy reading about this - will provide a great way to capture student interest. - Jen
my question, how did it take them this long to figure it out? - Sir Shuping is just sir
why would anybody notice? - RepoRat
Yikes. "Intent isn't magic", dude. - YvonneM
How do you unintentionally copy someone else's work and claim it as your own? - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
He was unintentionally intentional. - Joe
Sigh. LibGuides 2.0 did not bring over any of my custom database descriptions. Sigh is the polite version of me feeling the giant sucking of my time as I hand fix scores of descriptions on a couple dozen pages. :(
Also: Lists of databases and of links cannot be trusted to have accurately have been brought over, so OMG, the painful line-by-line reading of my guides is making me cranky! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Hmmm, may need to pass this info on. - Joe
We are waiting to hear if this (loss of custom, guide level, database descriptions) is a feature or a glitch of the upgrade. The "some links might not have come through" one is a known thing though :( - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I copy links a lot, so I wonder if that copy vs. original status will remain on migrated links. At least then you could fix some links and have any copies magically change. - kaijsa
kajisa, what I'm realizing as I go through these is that I tend to use an existing page as "template". And that has the unfortunate side effect of having a lot of identical-but-not-mapped boxes and pages. So, best practices warning for anyone about to do the transition -- it might be faster to map your boxes now than fix omg-so-much-text later? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Oh, I do that, too. Sad face! We just migrated and I haven't had time to do more than quickly eyeball my guides. I'm kind of wishing we'd waited. - kaijsa
Yes, the copy versus original generally carries over. Sadly, your local admin probably should have told you to map your boxes/pages before the migration to prevent at least some of this. - ~Courtney F
Sorry, that made me LOL. I am an admin, but we recently had our new instructional design staff member take the reigns and while she has done a great job, it's a lot to learn and manage. If anybody here had time to learn systems in detail, it would be awesome, but we're stretched. - kaijsa
One of the reasons I spend time on LSW is to learn from you smart people. More efficient sometimes than reading documentation. - kaijsa
Sure, kaijsa, but I'm pretty sure that the thing about mapping boxes was mentioned specifically in the transition documentation for admins. i don't have time to doublecheck now to be sure, but i'm pretty sure i mentioned it to my coworkes. - ~Courtney F
Oh, I believe you. Our lead admin did send out some instructions for optimizing guides for the transition and I could have missed that. - kaijsa
Bummer. Apparently this was a decision made by our in-house migration team. The Links "were selected to become Database assets". They could have been selected to become something else. (I have no idea what). But, heads up if you haven't migrated yet -- this is choice someone makes, and I don;t know what the costs of doing it otherwise are. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
once again, I am sooooo grateful that I had a dedicated library student migrate mai guides, check links, and convert assets.Phew!! Good luck to the rest of y'all in the migration!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Courtney, I think this falls into the category of "communication issues in-house". I think our issues aren't unusual though. So, sharing it here, for folks who haven't migrated yet. Maybe they can avoid some of the pain of non-communicative migration leaders :( - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Must admit I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Need to watch this more carefully. What's wrong with choosing links to become Database assets? They will mess up custom descriptions? - aaron
Ours ported over as assets, with descriptions intact. I finally had time to look. Seems like our migration worked pretty well. - kaijsa
As the person who manages the eresources, I prefer links to library databases and things to be Database assets. If any of my librarians want to tweak the descriptions, that's fine, but don't go making wildcat links and then complain to me when they break because the vendor decided to change their URL structure mid-February. - Holly's favorite Anna
Yes, that's our practice, Anna. It's good sense. - kaijsa
Ours also, and one of the few things that I insist on as the admin of both. - ~Courtney F
Anna, these are all properly using the A-Z link asset tool thingy, but with my own custom description - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
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