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The Library Society of the World, where the members are handsome, top MLSs, and outfitted in fine woolen suits.
Q for the hive brain: I have a recollection of a journal that was OA, was purchased and taken closed. The content remained available via PMC but was not linked from the publisher site which now appeared as a subscription journal...anyone point me in that direction?
is it this one? http://gclibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2013...
- RepoRat
It wasn't the one that I had in mind but its a nice example. I'm recalling a UK blog post, might have been Oxford University Press
- Cameron Neylon
I think there was a math one? Went from oa to like Oxford or something?
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Was it ILAR? http://nas-sites.org/ilarjou...
- Hedgehog
Not the subject you are looking for, but I am pretty sure that Folklorica used to be free since it was listed in a "Free Online Journals" database, and now it charges subscriptions, https://ojsprdap.vm.ku.edu/index... (Folklorica, Journal of the Slavic and East European Folkore Association. ISSN 1920-0242.)
- Yo. Shark Dog.
The one I was thinking of was presumably biomedical because the content is/was in PMC but keep the examples coming! The more the merrier. These examples are to point out why the publisher position that "PMC is duplication of effort" is not true.
- Cameron Neylon
BePress journals are not biomedical, but were sold and closed. (Although I guess they were sort of quasi-OA?)
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Emailed Ebsco with a "my faculty is trying to do x with Dynamed question" Answer "
Please ask him to contact the librarian and get the email address from UIC." Umm...dude, I AM the librarian, care to try again?
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That's some customer service right there.
- Andy
I've always had good luck sending problems to the sales rep rather than some help form. Those people over at EBSCO really hop to it when some shit comes to them from the sales rep.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
If you want Walt Crawford to unglue his book "The Big Deal and the Damage Done" you can wish for it at https://unglue.it/work/120545/ just don't expect him to change into an extrovert over night.
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Hi there Eric. You sure know how to enter an online community!
- lris
Well, I know half the people here already.
- Eric Hellman
So this would unglue the book, but not Walt himself?
- Steele Lawman
we can't unglue Walt because there's no ISBN for him and OCLC won't catalog him.
- Eric Hellman
At one point my library was seriously considering cataloging the liaisons so that we'd end up appearing when people searched for our topics of expertise. If we did that, could I be unglued?
- lris
no time to read all the instructions - do i have to pledge an amount or is wishlisting it enough?
- Christina Pikas
wishlisting is enough
- Eric Hellman
Unhinged?
- Steele Lawman
Iris, if the liaisons get their own Worldcat records, then maybe. We could start "unbalance.it".
- Eric Hellman
It might be easier to come unglued all by myself...
- lris
I'm on Van Halen's "Unchained" myself.
- Steele Lawman
Joe, I love that video. And David Lee Roth is the hotness.
- Steele Lawman
There are some threads I'd just as soon stay out of.
- Walt Crawford
Okay, I have wished! My son is very good at ungluing things, but I suspect he's a little too young to have an account.
- laura x
Walt, if I were you, I would stay out of David Lee Roth's threads.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
I would note one thing: Buying the book may have more of an effect than wishing for it. At $9.95 (and you *own* the PDF--no DRM, free to lend it, free to resell it), it's not a massive commitment.
- Walt Crawford
Tied for #45 on the most-wished list with "Watchmen" and Tufte's "Display of Quantitative Information". https://unglue.it/lists...
- Eric Hellman
Can't we declare Walt a National Treasure and get him archived and cataloged that way?
- Cameron Neylon
Beall got boing boinged. http://boingboing.net/2013...
Steele Lawman made me a cover for my book. (It may be tweaked a bit more.)
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Fabu author photo!!
- Katie
I love this so much. When Steve first showed me I was all THE COUCH!! IT IS THE COUCH!!!
- Marianne
I can't wait to read this! Well done, laura!
- Lisa | #TeamMonique
Professional cover designs are one thing that traditional publishing has over self-publishing. Except when you can get a design that professional (that *is* a compliment) in a self-published book. Congratulations!
- Walt Crawford
LOVE
- jambina
Just fantastic.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Everything looks wonderful!
- Katy S
OMG! Where can I buy it!
- Headless Gnad Kicker
oh wow, wow, wow.
- Marie
I keep seeing this and loving it again.
- lris
... Imma add this cover to the miscellanea I'm collecting in case I ever get to teach a basic design course.
- RepoRat
Double Agent Fister got a hero call out in the comments of a recent Bloggess post. http://thebloggess.com/2013... See Comment 30
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"she is the shiznit."
- Yo. Shark Dog.
<3
- RepoRat
I may put shiznit on my CV as job title while trying to overcome Midwestern sinking-through-the-earth feeling.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
Tell them this is your website? http://bit.ly/14yjzAu translated through gizoogle.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
I'm putting together a journal list for one of our TRIO programs, which has grant money to buy some paper subscriptions. They're especially interested in biology, engineering, and computer science--and I'm trying not to overlap with library subscriptions. Any suggestions for high-level, but not necessarily scholarly, publications in these areas?
Nature and Scientific American already covered.
- Kirsten
Maybe "Discover"?
- Katy S
Good, but we already get it in print. I don't mind overlapping if we only have e-access (they really want paper copies).
- Kirsten
Pondering recommending that the join a couple of academic/professional societies. They'd get access to more subscriptions that way, plus then the students could see the workings of those types of organizations and maybe get involved.
- Kirsten
Technology review?
- kristin buxton
Psychology of Music?
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Calling all data miners! Is there a relatively painless way to export citations from EBSCOhost into a CSV file? I have a faculty member who wants to easily compare citation results from different databases.
Have you signed on to the Cost of Knowledge? If so, how have you replied when subsequently asked to review/publish/edit an Els journal? Specific language wins extra points.
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i'll see if i can find it.
- jambina
Yes, haven't been asked because the Big E knows better. ;)
- RepoRat
I haven't so I don't encounter this. But if I had, I'd probably say something like, "Thank you for the invitation to [do whatever] for [journal of whatever]. I must, however, decline. I am a signatory to the Cost of Knowledge declaration (http://thecostofknowledge.com/) and will do no work of any kind for an Elsevier publication in protest of that company's policies and actions, past...
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- Steele Lawman
Yes, and I have turned down a guest special issue article offer because of it, and am moving off Mendeley now for same reason (some done: taking a while because was heavy user)
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
I'll copy in my text when I get to computer
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
I signed it, but I have not been asked to review/publish/edit an Els pub. I would probably simply decline and say that I have other projects going on.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
aw, g'wan, tell 'em why. the more we make clear to Elsevier quislings that the Big E's behavior means less-viable journals, the better.
- RepoRat
I have a general "no non-immediate OA reviewing policy". Text i generally use is..."Thankyour for your invitation to review X. I am afraid I no longer review for any journal or article which will not be made immediately Open Access with a CC BY license. [sometimes something on...I can't even tell what your journal policy is]. If your journal moves to an Open Access footing in the future I would be happy to look at reviewing papers for you at that time."
- Cameron Neylon
Nice, Both.
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
Yes, I like that. I may add Lawman's "Screw the man" at the end, just because it kind of seals the deal.
- Marie
Yeah, I thought the point to signing such a thing (or having such a personal policy) was to give yourself the courage/platform for a little lecture if they ever asked you to do something for an Evilsevier journal.
- Steele Lawman
fyi here's what I said recently when invited to submit a paper: "Thanks for the invitation. It sounds like a great special issue! That said, I've signed the Elsevier boycott. In the spirit of encouraging you to understand how seriously some scholars dislike Elsevier's current policies and wish you would move your journal to a truly Open publisher I'm not willing to write anything for your publication. Hopefully we'll have a chance to collaborate another way some day."
- Heather Piwowar
evidence it is so important you say WHY you are declining -- why you should take a moment to give the little lecture :) The person wrote back: "Thanks! I think this is great. We will make a special point about how two have refused to publish with Elsevier and how the quality of Elsevier journals suffers because of its policies and lobbying. That way your message will reach the audience (and editors). "
- Heather Piwowar
About a year ago I got an offer to publish in Elsevier's Library Connect. It was just before the Cost of Knowledge happened but I ended up declining anyway due to Big E's support of SOPA. That thread is here: http://friendfeed.com/lsw...
- John Dupuis
I just got email from a local web developer who reports that she was told LAST WEEK by Access Copyright that she needs a license to LINK to content on the web.
Dislike.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
and the local newspaper is apparently trying to extract a $60 license fee from people who want to link to their site.
- DJF
SMASH
- jambina
I told her that if I was going to be rude, I'd say that they were lying to her.
- DJF
Can you ask her for a copy of that email?
- copystar
wow. i'm fuming.
- jambina
tell me about it. They are truly desperate. I gave her Sam's name for a second opinion, but he's out of the office for the long weekend already.
- DJF
Well....then
- Sir Shuping is just sir
from FFHound(roid)!
Jeff: http://lmgtfy.com/...
- DJF
local paper = London Free Press http://www.lfpress.com/ which is part of the Quebecor / Sun / Canoe group
- copystar
Is this true or true-ish in Canada? Can't be, right?
- Steele Lawman
Rats - she should call back and ask to have this in writing - and if they don't.. well it's a dammed if they do, dammed if they don't situation, isn't it?
- copystar
Happy birthday to Andy Woodworth, Poobah First Class of the LSW.
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Wishing you a day that doesn't suck!
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Happiest birthday and year!
- maʀtha
Happy Birthday, Andy!!!
- Katy S
Happy!
- Jenica
Merry birthday!
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Happy birthday to you!
- Meg V. Meg
Happy bday!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
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Happy Poobahday.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
Thank you all! :D
- Andy
The OCLC Affiliate Services Terms and Conditions say that I may only use the affiliate services for Purposes: "G. 'Purposes' means managing and enabling access to: (i) library services, library materials, library resources and information related thereto; and/or (ii) services, materials, resources or information of interest to library patrons."
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I can, barely, stretch this definition to include the work that I'm doing on my research project, since one of the outcomes is, in theory, data that will help us improve our collections. But the grad student who wants to use WorldCat data for a bibliographic study of the spread of publishing in New Spain is pretty much out of luck.
- DJF
OCLC needs to update the terms to allow for bibliometric research and digital scholarship.
- DJF
"access to ... information of interest to library patrons" sounds like your grad student, doesn't it?
- Jenica
true. Again a stretch, since OCLC is assuming that we're interested in accessing the books, not the bibliographic data. We're also not allowed to use automated process to "'mine' or harvest material amounts of Data". One can only wonder what qualifies as "material amounts of data", but I don't thinking that 10,000 records would count as material.
- DJF
this is the kind of stuff that has "radicalized" me over the past year. OCLC is taking data that so called member libraries gave it for free (hell, we paid to give it to them), and is selling access to it back to us, with restrictions on what we're allowed to do.
- DJF
may I quote you publicly on that?
- RepoRat
and people wonder why i want to stop cataloging.
- kendrak
RR, which part? that it's radicalized me, or the framing that they're selling access back to us? This is just one of the smaller bits, and I will be soon be pointing out in an article that these terms are limiting the ability to do bibliometric research and limiting researchers in the emerging field of DH.
- DJF
i recently had a librarian ask me something similar, and I found what I think might be the right answer on the WorldCat record use FAQ. Check out Question #6: http://www.oclc.org/en-US...
- Christa
Christa, thanks for that. If course, I'm not transferring any records to him; I'm facilitating his getting a developer key so he can download them himself, which, again, oclc is ignoring as a possibility, and also, we're back to the question of, "what is a large amount of data?" I know that this is is perfectly acceptable. The problem is that oclc's incredibly detailed terms are so...
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- DJF
from Android
DJF: your entire comment just prior to my question. :) I'm giving a talk in the Lands of the Enemy the end of this month.
- RepoRat
this is one of my fave tweets - https://twitter.com/jjtuttl...
- jambina
ah, OK David, I see. your original info sounded familiar to me, but it's not the same situation at all. and yes, i agree with your assessment of OCLC regarding who owns what.
- Christa
I just heard back from OCLC. They agree that "yes, the standard terms would likely make the student’s work impractical", and point me to a completely separate process for managing "academic research projects"
- DJF
Kicking professional association ass today and TAKING NAMES dammit.
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come do mine next!
- kendrak
from what you told me you have bigger asses to kick
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
finishing my internship at http://www.openedition.org/ today : definitively a good place to work at :-)
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Happy birthday to our own valiant eagledawg!
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We miss you, Nikki!
- maʀtha
Sciknow Publications | Publisher of Peer-reviewed Scholarly Journals Based on Open Access Model - http://www.sciknow.org/
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This group solicited papers from a in-house listserv I'm on to answer questions about citation management software (Endnote, etc). Perhaps not the most targeted recruitment.
- Hedgehog
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I only checked a couple of the many, many journals...but those I checked showed no indication of any published issues. This does not bode well. (I just checked a dozen. Most had "ISSN pending." Not one of those I checked showed a publication history.)
- Walt Crawford
And...the address is a boutique hotel. Better and better.
- Walt Crawford
Lesson learned today: one must be hardcore in calling out law students who refuse to respond during workshops. Sheesh, even the awkward silence technique didn't even work.
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Just say "Mister...Hart." Wait, that only works if they are at least as old as I am. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Steele Lawman
Heh. There were fewer 'staches in my audience...maybe different pedagogical techniques are appropriate for the clean-shaven.
- Megan loves summer
I've found myself on a couple of committees looking at electronic resources stuff (and I'm a bit lost). Question: what usage stats products are all y'all using? I've heard of Ustat, JUSP, and EBSCO's Usage Consolidation. Are there others?
There's also Serials Solutions 360 whatever product, which is what we selected.
- DJF
We're not using any product--we download everything ourselves, and plug the data in to spreadsheets that we've developed over time. ETA: Not that I wouldn't like to not do them manually; it's a money issue.
- Kirsten
Scholarly Stats is another paid product, and I think the open-source ERMS CORAL has a use statistics component, as well. It depends on how much you want to do yourself, using whichever system to aggregate them, and how much you want someone else to do for you.
- Royce's favorite Anna
most e-resources librarians i know don't use a product at all, but instead gather COUNTER statistics and compile manually.
- Marie
The PubGet people had something, but I don't know anything about it. We have Serials Solutions, and compile manually for everything else.
- Rebecca Hedreen
^^^ PubGet has Paper Stats. Haven't used it.
- Marie
Cool. All of this helps. Thank you muchly!
- Megan loves summer
huh...OCLC just announced that Skip Prichard would be taking over as CEO.
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a quick search-engine search suggests "ew."
- RepoRat
this guy is the empty-suitiest empty suit that ever empty-suited.
- RepoRat
thought leader!
- kendrak
"turnaround CEO" ?
- Hedgehog
Oh. No.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
didn't he get the boot from ingram last year?
- jambina
Disrupt some innovation?
- barbara fister
from iPhone
Disappointing.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
jambina, i believe so. looks like he got the boot from proquest a few years ago
- Sir Shuping is just sir
if I worked for OCLC Research I would be like "ALL HANDS TO THE LIFEBOATS" right now. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.
- RepoRat
I'm sure he's a swell guy & family man and all that jazz. But man, step AWAY from the stock photographs! http://www.skipprichard.com/
- Steele Lawman
no joke. and the "lookit me with awkwardly-smiling Important People!" shots.
- RepoRat
Mssr. P. I live here in MD. And we do NOT put Old Bay on everything. Please let that be some form of folksy hyperbole. And Tony Blair's Comment "The art of leadership is saying no, not yes. It is very easy to say yes." can go jump off a bridge. Easy to say yes indeed.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
I sometimes put Old Bay on my fries.
- Julian
Dude, you don't carry it on your person AT ALL TIMES do you?
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
People put old bay on deviled eggs. In Maryland.
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Most places have it so you don't have to carry it
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Today I submitted my first job applications in a decade. Thanks to everybody here who has answered my little questions and provided leads.
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Luck to you!
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
I look forward to your awesome on a larger stage! :)
- RepoRat
Anybody know anything about this: Forecasting Next Generation Libraries: A Virtual Course-ference July - August 2013: http://nextgenlibraries.org/
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Got an email asking me to help promote the thing, whatever a course-ference is. Speaker list has some of the issues these sorts of things tend to have.
- John Dupuis
lots of white dudes?
- RepoRat
that, and all-officers-no-enlisted, I see.
- RepoRat
Bingo.
- John Dupuis
It's also unclear to me who exactly is organizing this. Is it the consultant dude? The person who emailed me?
- John Dupuis
NITLE seems to be at the bottom of the pile somewhere.
- RepoRat
Only $25, I might give it a shot. Also, Michael Nielsen is speaking in the technology slot!
- Yo. Shark Dog.
Ah, that. Yes, just some individuals at Carthage College, or perhaps as part of Wisconsin Library doings. One of the organizers is Lizz Zitron, who I had the pleasure of working with when she was in Library school. She is very good people. I think it's a legit professional development thing, done for the good of the whole.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
It looks interesting, but also looks vaguely pyramid-y. I'm intrigued.
- kendrak
And I have to say that, while there are some white dudes, it's a fairly diverse set of speakers. (There's only one speaker who I might pay $25 *not* to listen to, and these days that's a pretty good track record.)
- Walt Crawford
uh, I count about 70% white dudes. that is not representative of librarianship, and I doubt it's representative of education or publishing either. Tech, yeah, sure, it's diverse as tech goes.
- RepoRat
And starring James Falco as Terry Reese! http://nextgenlibraries.org/technol...
- Steele Lawman
Steele- Freaks and Geeks era Franco for sure.
- kendrak
Oops. That's Franco. My bad.
- Steele Lawman
Imagine James Franco playing Tav Falco!
- kendrak
I wouldn't sign up for this because they are calling it a Course-Ference which fuck that shit. But aside from that and the other issues mentioned above, this looks not horrible?
- Steele Lawman
"This looks not horrible."
- Yo. Shark Dog.
You think they want that as a blurb? For the right price, I'd be amenable. But it would have to include the question mark.
- Steele Lawman
They totally need an endorsements page.
- laura x
Info I just got from Lizz: Carthage College in Kenosha, WI is hosting a virtual conference on Forecasting Next Generation Libraries (http://www.nextgenlibraries.org) from July 1-August 19. This conference aims to help (mostly academic, but all are welcome!) librarians examine the past and their present in order to help forecast their future. Additionally, we'll hear from publishers,...
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- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I agree with the not horribleness. It's probably well worth the $25. The panel format would have been easy to adapt to adding the occasional early- or mid-career rather than focusing on director of this or director of that.
- John Dupuis
I like Josh Morrill a lot. He works very closely with my partner on research questions involving use of digital resources by students. He's super smart and very data and evidence oriented, and also is very useful in terms of thinking about evaluation and assessment. There is a personal bias there, but we've had him come here to do some teaching about methods, and my sense from people is that he was well received.
- Sarah
Our feedback board re: our 24/5 finals week hours is asking for suggestions. There are a handful of requests for kittens, and one for "rock salt and wrought iron for the demons", and then one for "cups for the free water dispenser." So we put out cups. The next day "Bigger cups, please."
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I would love to know what happens if you put out rock salt and wrought iron.
- RepoRat
I use these boards to keep me grounded. On the one hand, knowing what students really think REALLY MATTERS as i make decisions. And staying in their goofy-ass loop is awesome. But on the other hand, I have to remember we'll absolutely 100% never ever ever ever please them all fully. Ever.
- Jenica
RR, it's damned tempting. :)
- Jenica
doooooo eeeeeeeeet!
- Catherine Pellegrino
Yes, put out a basket labeled "as requested" with rock salt, wrought iron, and pictures of kittens.
- lris
I asked the undergrad library here if they kept all the suggestion cards and responses on their (lively, EPIC WIN) suggestion board. Turns out they do. I told them they HAD to do a chapbook of these; it'd be a WIZARD fundraising tool. Sigh. They didn't listen.
- RepoRat
...days like this are why I love working in libraries. Best after lunch cheer ever.
- MontglaneChess
Totally need to put salt around some windows and doors and post pictures.
- Rachel Walden
Oh, and if you do the salt/iron, you should also put out a small box with a hinged lid and label it a "crossroads box."
- Rachel Walden
Isn't it supposed to be "cold iron"? I'm not up on my demonology... I guess that's an oversight that could really come back to bite me, huh?
- Bill Hooker
Libraries and advocacy: The downside of being universally liked -- your thoughts? http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013...
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I think he's dead on about the problem. (See also http://crl.acrl.org/content... coincidentally.) I don't know that he has THE SOLUTION, but then I don't know that anybody does -- I sure don't. I just know that "liking" libraries and librarians is not enough. We need our patron base to USE, UNDERSTAND, and FIGHT FOR libraries and librarians.
- RepoRat
Which may be where the new ALA division that unites Friends, trustees, library foundations and others comes in: Friends, especially, can be enormously effective advocates for public libraries.
- Walt Crawford
I liked this piece. I think his take on it is not bulletproof, but it's certainly a better way of advocating for the library instead of lines like "it helps poor people". If we can't sway votes or put money into the pot, we can help frame the issue better.
- Andy
News: Cengage may declare bankruptcy - http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013...
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This is a significantly huge deal, right?
- Julian
yipes.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Fucknuggets.
- Zamms
Super huge deal, IMO. This is my own half-assed business analysis, but I wonder if Gale, Readex, other companies that create extremely large and extremely expensive primary source databases are having trouble as they reach market saturation. There are only so many people that can afford NCCO, ECCO, things like that, so once those all those customers purchase, where do you go? Something something late hyper-capitalism predicated on unending expansion something.
- Amandadon't
Drop shadows: yes or no?
Sometimes?
- RepoRat
I often drop shadows, but only when I'm carrying a bunch of other stuff and need to reach into my pockets to get my keys.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'm with RR - it depends.
- ~Courtney F
If it adds to readability, yes.
- Andy
Apple Keynote only offers drop shadows for text. It's not always the choice I would prefer -- for some typefaces, outlining works better -- but I use it liberally nonetheless for Andy's reason. Especially on the photographic backgrounds I like to use in presentations, text often needs some extra oomph.
- RepoRat
No. Use a better typeface.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
Sure, go crazy.
- Steele Lawman
I lean towards no. When I see them used, I always think there's something wrong with my eyes
- Megan loves summer
For text, for the reasons mentioned by RepoRat.
- Royce's favorite Anna
Very very very small drop shadows, if the overall design would benefit from a 3D-ish element to convey its message.
- ɥsıuɐʎɹ
I'm OK with them if used minimally. Relatedly, here's an interesting post about flat design on the web. http://uxmag.com/article...
- Stephen le Francoeur
I sometimes think that I don't like drop shadows, then I look at the windows I currently have open, and see how easy it is to determine that my browser window is "on top of" my chat window because it casts a shadow on the chat window. Used with taste and subtlety, I think that shadows are very effective.
- Steele Lawman
I'm trying to describe a position that will primarily be responsible for paying invoices with the credit card, preparing invoices to be paid by check, reconciling the credit card statement, and ensuring that payment information is correctly tracked in the ILS by fund code.
We're not requiring an MLS, but will indicate that it or relevant library experience will be preferred. The position won't supervise anyone. Do you have someone like this in your library? What is their title? Do you have a job description you can share?
- Royce's favorite Anna
I've got someone like that. It might take a little bit to find the job description, though. Where should I email it?
- Kirsten
acreech at richmond dot edu
- Royce's favorite Anna
Ok. It'll be on it's way in a moment.
- Kirsten
Acquisitions clerk, this job classification: http://www.cs.ny.gov/tsplan...
- Jenica
EBSCO and Ex Libris slapfight. Pass the popcorn. http://t.co/wdZFuT5Gfb
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Like Terrell Owens, I have my popcorn ready.
- Julian
*munch munch munch* (We're in the middle of this: we're an Ex Libris shop, looking to activate Primo Central soon, and the bulk of our database content comes from EBSCO.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Highly entertaining. But, evidence of exactly why we need to remember and act like we are in the midst of a bunch of business deals, not altruistic nonprofits (even if that is our role - which may also be debatable).
- Lisa Hinchliffe
Yes. One of the things I like best about this is Orbis Cascade Alliance's tone.
- Catherine Pellegrino
If Ex Libris just got the metadata from the publishers in EBSCO's databases directly, then SFX would sort it out, since EBSCO metadata is in SFX. But it'd be nice if EBSCO would play ball a little more.
- Zamms
Now entering The Octagon...
- Marie
What language is that signature from Matti in?
- Yo. Shark Dog.
Hebrew. Ex Libris is based out of Israel.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'm not allowed to talk about why we didn't implement Primo at MfPOW a few years back.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Stephanie, did you sign a non-disclosure document about it?
- copystar
The Orbis Cascade Board of Directors are my new favorite people.
- Jenica
Now that makes sense (concerning the sig.)
- Yo. Shark Dog.
this rocks.
- jambina
In related news, does anyone know if ebrary content is indexed by EDS?
- Meg V. Meg
not any more. (I don't know)
- DJF
Could someone explain this to me like I'm five, please?
- Andy
EBSCO owns content. Ex Libris would like to include that content in its Primo discovery layer, so that users at libraries who subscribe to the EBSCO products can find it using the library's single search box. EBSCO says, "No. If you want to access the EBSCO metadata, you need to subscribe to OUR discovery layer."
- DJF
Ebsco, like Proquest, is in the position of providing both content and a discovery tool. They are taking the lead in ensuring that their content is best/only accessed via THEIR discovery tool. As a result, Ex Libris's discovery tool can't effectively access EBSCO content. And all commercial entities in the game are failing to play nicely with each other.
- Jenica
(Two of us assessed it about the same at the same time, so you know we must be right. AND AWESOME.)
- Jenica
I support Orbis Cascade's position that if EBSCO and Ex Libris won't play together, then neither of them gets any money. Of course, in this particular case, that's not really fair to Ex Libris, who has no control over what EBSCO lets them see.
- DJF
I'm in love with the fact that a library organization is standing up and, in public, plainly asserting its right as a paying customer to demand better of the industry. Fuck. Yes.
- Jenica
Gotcha. Thanks!
- Andy
Also: discovery layers are serious business.
- Andy
I think EBSCO's fucking this up. They need to build a wall between the discovery business and the content business, and fast. Because if the content business is not indexed in a neutral way, then people using Primo or Summon will not find the EBSCO content. If people don't find the content, it doesn't get used. And that's how databases get cancelled.
- DJF
O_o
- Hedgehog
The timing of this memo is odd as we learned a few weeks ago that EBSCO has agreed to re-do the API. I'm more upset with ProQuest They won't even offer us an API to use with Primo.
- Jen
One comment I've heard regarding this situation is that their library holdings are only a small part of EBSCO's portfolio. Of course you would think Proquest, who has a higher percentage of library content, would care more.
- Elizabeth Brown
It's a good thing I wasn't eating popcorn when I got to "and use sub-standard API" at the bottom of page 2, or it'd be all over my keyboard now. It's like when you're trying *really really hard* to be the unbiased voice of reason in a debate but then a "plus your product sucks!" just slips out there.
- Deborah Fitchett
It would have been handy to have all of pop into view last month when we had Serials Solutions, EBSCO, and ExLibris deliver back to back one-hour discovery layer pitches to our consortium. It was my first full-on vendor experience post MLIS and I was alternately amused and appalled by the EBSCO hard core FUD.
- Heather
Heather, FUD is EBSCO's primary product line. We've all seen that in action.
- DJF
I used to work in a comms unit that supported sales guys and anytime the FUD was rolled out it was a clear sign of a product line in trouble and/or sales reps that didn't understand or respect their audience. Sales rep tactics appear to be a transferrable skill.
- Heather
"there is an inherent conflict of interest when content providers attempt to control a library’s choice of discovery." But since their interest is to make money, as much as possible, and control as many markets as they can, where's the conflict? I'm glad there's pushback, but why would we NOT expect a company to vertically integrate and resist sharing? In some ways its more a conflict of public interest for libraries to rely on these bozos.
- barbara fister
I'm just left saying "This is why you can't have nice discovery tools."
- Zamms
Must say I first read Ebsco's response and it was a very good attempt to cloud Pmatters, I was almost convinced..., shows how much I know about discovery :P Anyway I never quite got why it's always about ebscohost , Proquest does the same. Or is it because their databases have metadata that can be obtained in other ways?
- aarontay
Yes, Barbara, yes. If you're a librarian, Ebsco's position looks ethically sketchy. If you're a business analyst, they appear to have a sound strategy. Ex Libris's positioning of themselves as The Good Guys Fighting The Good Fight for libraries pisses me off, because i don't believe for a second that, if they "win" and Ebsco opens up their data, Ex Libris won't turn around and try to...
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- Jenica
Aaron, what is the link to the EBSCO response?
- Yo. Shark Dog.
All of them here: http://www.orbiscascade.org/index...
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
how did ProQuest / Serials Solutions / Summon get around this?
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
They go to the journal publishers and get the metadata. It's not 100% of say CINAHL, but maybe 90%+ but of course it's very "thin metadata" (ebsco's term), sometimes not even abstract or subject headings and usually no full text. It can make quite a difference sometimes.
- aarontay
Thanks Jackyn.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
A message went around at my Primo-using library this morning saying that use of our EBSCO full text resources have declined 64% and use of their indexes 73%. I think we'll be looking for this content elsewhere...
- Megan loves summer
phew. well, I can't say I'm sorry to see this chickenshit tactic backfire.
- RepoRat
I like most of my EBSCO contacts, but the guy they had delivering the FUD sales pitch when we looked at EDS last year really turned me off.
- Royce's favorite Anna
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There will be beverages hoisted here tonight at Caron's departure.
- Heather
from Bookmarklet
well it is about effing time. thank heaven.
- RepoRat
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