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Joe - Systems Analyst
I'd like to see if there is any interest out there in LSW land to help start a new OA journal that emulates PLoS a little bit (or a lot). http://www.nuthingbut.net/2012... If this goes nowhere, that is ok, but I would like to gauge the interest.
Devil's advocate: As you're outlining this journal, I can see PLENTY of reasons that the more snobbish among our caste would give it a sneer and a miss. It may be helpful to consider our own Hedgie as a persona, and ask ourselves the question "would publishing here help her tenure case?" Remember that PLoS ONE, despite the many idiots who say otherwise, absolutely DOES NOT skimp on the peer review. - RepoRat
i'm in - jambina
To RR - Yes, having a good peer review system is one of the important things we need to address. - Joe - Systems Analyst
How much should we care if some peeps give it "a sneer and a miss"? Some authors could really use a service like this. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Who, and why are current outlets underserving them? - RepoRat
Some publishers take forever to actually publish accepted articles. - Joe - Systems Analyst
how many? if that's the case, is speed of publication actually something authors will choose one journal over another for? - RepoRat
I'm not sure exactly what "emulates PLoS" means. Can you say more about what that means? I'm in, by the way. I think a cod should be involved, though. - barbara fister
The more cod, the better. - Joe - Systems Analyst
When I think of PLoS, I think of a publication that lets readers determine the relevance and the "quality" of an article. The journal shouldn't reject articles just because they are not deemed to have earth shattering results. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Oh. Huh. I think a lot of LIS journals publish non-earth-shattering findings. Am I jaded? - barbara fister
I think I'm in--although with C&RL and ITAL both going gold OA, a substantial portion of high-impact LIS journals are there (I think), and with ITAL (at least). But I think publication delays may still be an issue. (And an overlay journal should help there.) I'll admit that I don't think there's a shortage of LIS outlets...not by a long shot. - Walt Crawford
I like the idea, but I have a few questions. With the "we take all comers," what would be the reason for someone to put an article with great research in your journal next to a poster session writeup? (poster writeups, opinion pieces, really small-n surveys all strike me as a trade pub versus a research journal). If the turnaround time at other journals is because of rigorous peer review, does faster turnaround mean less rigor? I'm with many of RR's questions, too, in re: whcih authors this serves (intended for early career librarians?) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
(FWIW, I don't think slow turnaround at LIS journals has jack diddly squat to do with rigorous peer review or lack of same. But otherwise, I'm with the Maiden of War.) - RepoRat
I can only speak for ITAL, and years ago: Then, at least, slow turnaround was mostly because of contracted copy-editing, layout, and the page budget. It would be interesting to see what the delay is like now that it's all-electronic. - Walt Crawford
Oops: I should add: Editing/copy-editing was part contracted, part volunteer, which I'm pretty sure didn't help turnaround at all. - Walt Crawford
Turn around at C&RL has been much improved by making accepted papers available the minute they are accepted. Then you just wait 18 months to see it in the journal. - barbara fister
I agree with Walt that there isn't a shortage of LIS outlets, but they still seem to take anywhere from 3-6 months to 2 years to actually get published. For the Warmaiden, it isn't quite that we take all comers. Even PLoS ONE rejects about 30% of the articles submitted for one reason or another. Why would someone submit their great research when they know it might be next to something less important? Because the journal article container isn't the important thing. The great article will get more citations because it has better research, or on a hotter topic. - Joe - Systems Analyst
The 18 month wait for C&RL is kind of frustrating. Do articles that are published in C&RL have extra cache because of the container they were published in? - Joe - Systems Analyst
with tenure committees? absolutely. - RepoRat
Have you thought about the distinctions between PLoS One and the other PLoS journals? Specifically PLoS One is designed to scale larger so that new journals will not be created. I like the idea but am concerned that LIS may not have the need for a PLoS-style journal. Are there any statistics on the acceptance rates for the top LIS journals? Part of PLoS's success was that these rates were so low for the top science journals that PLoS became an alternate outlet for them. - Elizabeth Brown
Coming from Illinois with our quite intense T&P system, it would take quite some time for such a journal to be accepted particularly with CRL now OA. Not to say that it shouldn't be attempted but I think Elizabeth's and RepoRat's questions are good ones. I'm not sure there's the same need as there was for PLoS One. - Sarah
wow. CRL has way more street cred in the US than in Canada. must be because fewer of us are ACRL members? interesting. - jambina
You'd be amazed at what C&RL does NOT publish. Well, maybe not. I was a reviewer for a few years, and very few of the papers I read were ready for prime time - and I was a kind reviewer, encouraging anything that had potential. - barbara fister
On reflection, I really want to avoid publishing anything that is designed around T&P expectations. I would only want to put effort into something that exists as a vehicle for ideas that should be shared. The two interests are not very well aligned. - barbara fister
And that sets up a conflict: do we want to do something that breaks ground, or something that fills a need for people suffering under current foolishness? If we're too ground-breaking it won't held suffering people, but it also won't contribute to changing the conditions that cause the suffering (though OA is of course a real plus however you approach it). - barbara fister
I don't think we should put up a sign that says "Need Tenure? Publish your article here for guaranteed promotion!" That wouldn't fly, but I'd like a place where people can float crazy ideas, or include video clips within an article, or publish a well thought out blog post so that it gets some sort of scholarly credit. A blog post at whateverlibraryname.blogspot.com isn't scholarly, but if people publish something good at our journal, then they would get some academic credit. I also like the idea of publishing negative results, too. - Joe - Systems Analyst
How does this fit in with the Journal of Librarianship and Scholarly Communication - which will have a variety of different types of articles including video? I also think we'd need to think about that credit piece - obviously altmetrics would be the way to measure impact - but we'd also have to get LIS more generally to recognize that. PLoS One is connected to a larger enterprise which helps them - I wonder how successful it would be if it had just been run on its own. I do like the idea but I think the positioning would need to be carefully considered. - Sarah
I did think that JLSC is another good model--I didn't know about their video policy, thanks. (http://jlsc-pub.org/jlsc...). As far as positioning, I was thinking this might be a good place for some LSW members to publish some scholarly work. All librarians (and information professionals) would be invited to submit articles, too, but I have the feeling it would be seeded by some LSW peeps first. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Sorry for rebumping, but if we can just keep a small smattering of articles from being hidden in the T&F/Haworth and Elsevier LIS journals, then I think it would be worth the effort. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Don't forget Emerald. I believe that firm still publishes the most expensive LIS journal around, at well over $10K. By comparison, Routledge (T&F/Haworth) is a piker. - Walt Crawford
I agree with that motivation whole-heartedly. But then I really have no idea why anyone would submit to them in the first place. - barbara fister