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So librarians. Much distraction. Very LOL. Wow.
Ok Open Access Experts: I need your help. #1: what are some quick reads to get me up-to-speed on the latest happenings in this area (I am familiar with some of the basics but need to take a deeper dive). #2: who are the good speakers on OA topics? Could be publishing, open data, repositories, anything related.
What are you feeling a need to know more about? Good speakers: for libraryland, try Barbara Fister, Sarah Shreeves, Amy Buckland, Sarah Glassmeyer, Walt Crawford, Jill Cirasella, Maura Smale for starters. AVOID Rick Anderson and Jeffrey Beall at all costs. If you're looking for speakers with faculty cred, let me know; they exist too. - RepoRat
Yeah, sorry I knew I should be more specific, I got lassooed into an OA Week planning committee and we're looking for speakers that can speak to the greater academic population beyond libraryland. I thought of Amy and Jim DelRosso because I've had them speak before. Honestly for my own integrity i was hoping for a quick and dirty "state of OA" or "current events in OA" to bring me up to the latest happenings and hotbutton topics? - LibrarianOnTheLoose
I haven't been following the debate closely so I need a better idea of where to be focusing in terms of topics that will engage faculty? - LibrarianOnTheLoose
For current events, or or maybe For topics that will engage faculty positively, believe it or not, OPEN TEXTBOOKS is where it's at. - RepoRat
(Or a good old-fashioned Elsevier-bashing session; Elsevier has been shooting itself in the foot with a tommygun lately. But, y'know, open textbooks are more happier-like.) - RepoRat
hah i was bandying about getting Elsevier as a vendor sponsor for joking at the meeting - LibrarianOnTheLoose
And some potential faculty-type speakers: Barbara Fister (who has faculty cred because of her IHE column), Bethany Nowviskie, Jen Guiliano, Melissa Terras, Peter Suber, Stuart Shieber (if you can land him), Jonathan Eisen (easier-going than his brother Marc), Mike Taylor (of SVPOW), John Hawks ( - RepoRat
As one who RR named (Thanks!), I'd say that for OA Week speaking to faculty, I'm *not* a good choice: No credibility. I certainly agree that Beall and Anderson should be avoided at all costs. The list just above sounds pretty good to me. - Walt Crawford
Yeah, I'm not so wild about Poynder's list, but again, maybe that's me. - Walt Crawford
lengthy and not always current, but - RepoRat
Oh Wow!! + <slight threadjack> I just moments ago met with my contact at the Grad School and they want to collaborate during OA week on offering a practical, new scholar/authors guide to grad students about OA. Any ideas for speakers along these lines would be great too</slight threadjack> - Galadriel C.
Galadriel - i do an outreach session in our myResearch courses specifically for grads/postdocs on their online presence as professionals and tie in OA, author rights, and professional web space. happy to share notes if ya want! - jambina
Galadriel: jambina, Sarah Shreeves, Gail McMillan, Marisa Ramirez all good with grad students. - RepoRat
Oh thank you so much Jambina and RR! Jambina I would be very interested in seeing your notes - galadriel dot chilton at UConn dot edu. - Galadriel C. from Android
no worries! all in a good cause. - RepoRat
Note that some of the affiliations for people listed at are out of date. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Hi all: could you share your favorite mentoring resources? I'm sure this has been discussed before, but because Friendfeed's service is new, and they are just working out the kinks, I can't search the LSW archive right now.
I R A LIBRARIAN! (Google search was "mentor" without the quotes, btw.) - LB: Ratchet Bear
*forehead slap* Oh right, Google: nature's workaround. - Zamms
Catherine Pellegrino
First question of the night: "I need how-to guides for how women used makeup in ancient Greece and Rome." O.O - Catherine Pellegrino
Second question: "I'm searching for articles and I keep getting sites that ask me to log in or pay for the articles. Can you help?" Me: [determines that we don't, in fact, have access to the relevant articles] "Are you by any chance taking a class at Big Research University Across The Street? You are? WELL OKAY THEN..." - Catherine Pellegrino
^^ spammer reported. (This time I remembered not to delete the spam! *pats self on back*) - Catherine Pellegrino
Okay, now it looks like I reported myself for spamming my own thread. I can't win. ;) - Catherine Pellegrino
I am Tuesdaybrarian, Mountain Time Edition. So far all quiet. - Steele Lawman
any spammers over there? - Catherine Pellegrino
No, seems clear. - Steele Lawman
[phone] OMG I LEFT MY BAG BY ONE OF THE COMPUTERS IS IT STILL THERE? Yep. Stand down Designer Totebag DEFCON 3. - Catherine Pellegrino
Okay, so, it's not exactly cuneiform tablets or anything, but I just handed a student the March 6, 1976 L'Osservatore Romano (English edition) and said, "here ya go - have a party." - Catherine Pellegrino
I am in favor of reference transactions that end with "have a party!" - Steele Lawman
Tuesdaybrarian, Pacific Time reporting in, all clear - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Student to another student: "Have you gazed into the abyss yet?" #thesisadvice - Steele Lawman
Wallet stolen when student left her table "just for a minute" to go to the computer (not the bathroom this time). Given how long our computers take to log on that was wildly optimistic. - Rebecca Hedreen
There's a TEDx conference in my city next may ! And I'm part of the core team ! #tedxaix
MPOW now longer stocks index cards in the supply cabinet. They can order them from central supplies for the next day, but they don't just keep some around. This seems... Odd.
I saw someone taking notes on notecards at LibTech #oldschool - maʀtha
Holly's favorite Anna
One of my absolute favorite sales reps is leaving Alexander Street Press for a different company/region. If you know of awesome, informative, and non-pushy sales people who are looking for a new job, please direct them here:
I bet I know the one you're talking about! - Zamms
barbara fister
So, somebody just sent me a JSTOR article and I noticed it embeds the time and IP address of the person downloading it. This bugs me in a big way. WRONG, JSTOR!! Has it always done that and I just didn't notice?
typical watermarking. total privacy violation. - RepoRat
Seems like almost all providers are doing something like this these days. Though, more often it seems to state the institution rather than IP. - Lisa Hinchliffe
Further proof that this is someone else's intellectual property and they are WATCHING YOU. Ick. - barbara fister
ebrary has been adding some code to the book chapters I've been downloading. I assume it means they can get back to my account if I start posting the PDFs online - Hedgehog
Kind of amazing how we forget about privacy while enforcing IP regimes. - barbara fister
I will have to check T&F downloads, too. - Joe - Systems Analyst
I always crop off when sending something to a patron - Christina Pikas from iPhone
^^^ good for you. What a pain, though. Gah. - barbara fister
our IPs are proxied for MPOW so they only actually show you're coming from MPOW, not who you are. To a certain extent I don't mind because it shows who's doing the forwarding who shouldn't. i hate, though, that sage makes the page 8x10 when it should be like half a page. I started cropping those for my own use so I can print two pages per sheet (or really 4 per sheet) - Christina Pikas
T&F says: "Downloaded by [University of Denver - Main Library] at 10:00 24 March 2014" on the side of the PDFs. - Joe - Systems Analyst
I don't have a problem with "provided by [institution]", or some equivalent. But identifying the specific computer (which is identical to a user for many devices on campus) is a problem. - DJF from Android
I agree - it seems really problematic. More and more of our students use laptops; they probably are not showing a particular IP, but to be honest, I'm not sure. - barbara fister
On a related note, tips about how to hide your location info: - Stephen Francoeur
My campus also recently banned proxy use (at least the common ones, like Anonymouse). Messed up my "testing off campus access" protocols. - Rebecca Hedreen
Rebecca, when I want to be off campus in my office, I tether my laptop to my phone. - DJF
Rebecca, what it you used Tor running off a USB? - Stephen Francoeur
I use Tor, but that would would probably be a banned proxy browser for you as well. - Joe - Systems Analyst
if you're using Tor, can you still get to IP authenticated stuff? - Christina Pikas
Only if you access it via the proxy server. That is, use tor to connect to the proxy in a way that looks like you're of campus. It's slow, but it works. - DJF from Android
For ours access to all eresources incampus or not, requires ezproxy, so it will never reveal the user's ip address i believe? - aaron
Right - just the one for the proxy service. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Pleased. Finally we got the web of science linkage in Google Scholar (yah, I know some of you in the US had it already). Had to turn on the proxy for it to work (we have no concept of in-campus ip ranges for technical reasons sigh), but pleased to see the idea worked. *happy dance*
We're still not seeing this feature, did you have to adjust any settings in Google Scholar? - Jen
I'm seeing it here on campus, too. I'll have to check to see what it looks like off campus when I am on the the proxy server. - Stephen Francoeur
Yep, it works off campus, too, as long as you've gone in through the proxy server (we have a Google Scholar link on our databases page that routes you through the proxy server first). - Stephen Francoeur
yes you have to proxy it (reason we did it when this was announced last year) or within incampus ip range. changing Google scholar setting in library links won't work because its not evidence you supposed to have wos access. - aaron from YouFeed
Thanks Aaron - this will be interesting as our users don't link to Scholar from our web site. - Jen
Neither do ours, but they love to use the proxy bookmarklet. - aaron
Every good unconference requires an Antagonist.
Agreed. I was at a session on gaming at a Great Lakes ThatCamp and the session moderator designated a person as a Boss who acted as devil's advocate so we wouldn't spent our entire time agreeing with each other. And then, as it was a gaming session, we had to defeat the Boss before we could get to the next topic - copystar
Wow, that's a far more constructive antagonist position than I've experienced. - lris
This is excellent - awd
THANKS Copystar, I am totally ripping that idea off for a session later this year! - LibrarianOnTheLoose
I think being a designated Devil's Advocate in a discussion section would be interesting...but also tough: the role should come with automatic free drinks after the session. (Of course, I also think that being a moderator on a panel where you're required to enforce time limits should come with free drinks, but that's based on actual experience. Except for the free drinks part.) - Walt Crawford
The session was hosted by "Two-Fisted Historian" Rob MacDougall. I appreciated the design because unless the audience is diverse or the given question is exceptional, an unconference room can quickly devolve into people agreeing with each other. He was also part of a very interesting initiative that tried to turn the energy of an unconference... into a book. And it worked: - copystar
Holly's favorite Anna
Someone sent a message to the faculty listserv that was intended for one individual, and a flood of "why did I get this" came after, soon followed by "stop replying". Since I've primarily disengaged from most listservs, it took me back to the early 2000s. Oh, faculty.
It's amazing to think that they all have advanced degrees. - Andy
I often wonder if earning an advanced degree in order to teach requires a special kind fo brain damage - awd
Having an advanced degree means that you can focus like a laser on a small area of your discipline for years at a time. It doesn't mean you can tie your shoes by yourself. - Steele Lawman
I used to be an office assistant for surgeons. Use million-dollar equipment to perform delicate surgery? Sure. Copy machine/coffee maker/fax machine/phone/transcription machine? NOPE. - kaijsa
Steele Lawman
"I know hard-ass wise guys who play [poker] like anxious librarians, and anxious librarians who will whack you off at the knees." - from Dave Hickey's review of "The Noble Hustle" in Bookforum.
Spring break is awesome, but coming back sucks the big one. It stinks to feel regret over taking time off.
I hear you. - RepoRat
John Dupuis
So DJF, this is just you messing with people's heads, right?
Apparently, the notes have been appearing for a few years, but it's only recently, when a faculty member found one, that the story has exploded - DJF from Android
Someone needs to write a Dan Brown-like conspiracy theory around the whole thing. - John Dupuis
Working at a large university means checking MathSciNet for Tom Lehrer's more professional publications, just because.
Good thing he stuck with the music, since he only has two publications - DJF from Android
My 15yo was going to turn in citations with EBSCO as source instead of actual journal titles. Happy to report that after a short reference consultation, she is now aware and quite happy with the cite function in EBSCOhost. I see Zotero in her future....
I got this odd question about "details of license auctions to companies: rules, each participating company's bidding, and their financial status" - do databases like this really exist?
License like part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Maybe? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
The FCC would be the place I'd look for historical license auction information. Then business databases did the financials of the participants. - DJF from Android
Christina hmm thats a interesting thought, fits the user profile. Side note, still figuring out why the email came to me out of the blue. - aaron
I should know about the international spectrum but rusty. Maybe ITU or there's another one like that? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Stephen Francoeur
Anyone know how to get the Zotero bookmarklet to work in the Chrome browser on an Android phone? I see instructions that show how to set it up (you create a bookmark in the browser and then change the URL to the script that Zotero provides). But what I don't see on the Zotero site or on other websites that talk about it is how to get the thing...
to actually work. So if I see a site that I want to save to Zotero, what exactly do I do next on my browser on my phone? - Stephen Francoeur
I also have yet to figure this out! I was wondering if the bookmarklet saved to Zotero Web, so you first had to log into the website on your phone, then pull up the cite you want and *then* go to bookmarks and the script-y thing will push the cite to Zotero Web. I am no help. - Regular Amanda
It does help enough to suggest I should just stick with the Zandy app on my phone. If I see a page I want to save to Zotero, I can use the "Share" command on my phone's browser, which then shows me Zandy as one of any options (e.g., Email, Gmail, Instapaper, Evernote, etc.) - Stephen Francoeur
The zotero bookmarklet should save your item to your zotero library - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Here are in-depth instructions for iOS: Android works same way - i.e. simply click the bookmarklet in the bookmarks menu (as if you wanted to go to a new page). - adamsmith
Cameron Neylon
Dear LSW - If there were a book entitled "Open Access in Practice: An implementation guide for institutions" would this be a thing that would pique your interest? If you imagine such a resource what would it have in it? Who would you want to have contributed to it?
I'd get in touch with Emily Drabinski, a librarian at Long Island University, who has a great story to tell about how she took a closed access journal that she was on the board for--Radical Teacher--and helped turn it into an open access journal. I'd also want to hear from electronic resources librarians that have thought long and hard about how to optimize access to OA materials as part of their library's offerings. - Stephen Francoeur
I'd also want to hear from someone who helped rewrite tenure and promotion documentation for a department so that OA efforts were recognized. - Stephen Francoeur
Maybe also a chapter about someone's experiences taking older toll access journal articles they'd published, tracking down the licenses, and figuring out what they could upload to an IR. - Stephen Francoeur
David Parry could be interesting. He got OA Tenure in communications. I interviewed him last fall: - Hedgehog
Answers to the question of how libraries are funding support for open access in the changing and evolving models currently in play. - Jenica from iPhone
I'm interested in the users of OA material - WHY are we so concerned about Open Access? My answer is so that more folks can see the stuff - reporters at tiny papers (or those without librarians, or without access to $ databases), interested lay people, independent researchers without access to a library / Interlibrary Loan. I feel like the audience for OA is implied but not explicitly mentioned. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Development of policies at an institution that support open: open articles, open data, open lab notebooks, etc. How are unis balancing that with IP rights grabbing? What policies in place to support? Ditto what Stephen said on Tenure. - Hedgehog
Interplay between different units on campus - obviously faculty, library but also Vice Chancellor for Research type offices which are going to have heavy compliance issues to face with coming OSTP directive implementations. - Sarah
Reporat needs to write a chapter. She just doesn't know it yet. - Joe - Systems Analyst
I would buy this as long as it is less than $139.95. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Does Heather Joseph write chapters? - Joe - Systems Analyst
Also a vote for Walt Crawford and the others mentioned at - Joe - Systems Analyst
Obviously the book would be open access - but you'd have to pay for print. But so far clear that such a thing doesn't exist at the moment. In scoping this I tried to think what was distinct from Peter S and Walt's book and it seemed that the combination of practical implementation, case studies, and an institutional focus worked. - Cameron Neylon
...and in case its not obvious this is what I'm thinking about: - Cameron Neylon
Jill Emery would want to contribute. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Interesting idea. I'm not sure I *would* be a plausible contributor, but I could be wrong. (Having been the recipient of warm attention for having the effrontery to charge for my OA book, I'm *still* a little, um, burned out about that whole thing...) - Walt Crawford
Yes, I think Peter's book is good as an extension of what he did on his website and with SPARC in terms of dispelling myths, explaining concepts, etc. But a practical hand's on book for librarians would be very useful. I think something about how students, including undergraduate students, would benefit from and can be incorporated into OA plans would be helpful. - Freeda B.
Also, I don't know if you have seen this: Jill Emery (mentioned above) is one of the people behind this site. - Freeda B.
A good number of the people in coapi? - Joe - Systems Analyst
Sigh. I'll play devils' advocate. No, I do not think this will be useful. There have been untold numbers of how-to guides. They haven't made a pebble's splash in a pond, because people in power *refuse to give a shit*. When you write a guide that tells them why they have to, let me know. Until then, how-to guides get handed to some schlemiel at the bottom of the hierarchy who is told to go to town -- with zero resources and support. Hey, you have a how-to guide, what else could you possibly need? - RepoRat
Looking at RR's comment and trying to refute it--despite the lack of, you know, being in a library--I have to look at some of my ventures (including commercial ones) and conclude that RR's pretty much on the money here. - Walt Crawford
I hate to say it, but a guide to How To Save Big Bucks and Serve Your Campus Customers Better by Implementing OA might very well do better (that is, be paid attention to), but it would preferably come with a fairly high price tag. And maybe paid webinars. Sorry if that's cynical; I rarely give in to cynicism. - Walt Crawford
One caveat: I do think such a book on OER might actually fly. Open textbooks appears to have legs. - RepoRat
I don't know whether its a difference between UK and US but there is a lot of fairly senior interest in UK institutions in how to shift from we kind of know we need to do something to what actually *is* it. How much of that is words rather than real commitment is a fair question of course. - Cameron Neylon
...but I take the point about targeting. It needs that element of how you will save lots of money... - Cameron Neylon
Cameron, here in Canada as well there's a huge push coming from the funding agencies for OA with not a lot of practical advice for nervous faculty or administrators to grab onto. One thing I'd like to see is a case study of a small society journal that goes OA and both the society and the journal live happily ever after. - John Dupuis
WIth reference to RepoRat's comment but also something I've been thinking about for a while, I think it'd be useful to include information on ways to promote Open Access on a budget of zero and not much more staff-hours. Like being open to buying an Unglue.It book just as we are to buying print books, or including some OA resources in your catalogue, or promoting OA resources to your patrons -- things that can be sold as getting something for nothing/little but at the same time do advance the cause. - Deborah Fitchett
(Plug: me and MfPOW have been running a #FridayFreeStuff hashtag on Twitter, and a couple of other libraries here are also occasional contributors, to promote OA material. Not the best hashtag alas because it was named when it was just a regular blogpost so once or twice it's been swamped by some company using to give away actual free stuff. But this is the kind of dead simple, cheap, thing I'm thinking of.) - Deborah Fitchett
also -- *marketing* to faculty & higher-ups in admin about OA. I work with folks who teach marketing, so I think it's useful - but So Many do not think it's useful - but it's part of the problem. We don't know how to promote this to faculty or even higher-ups in libraries/admin. To get at RR's point about the Joe Schmo at the bottom of the library who gets the book & writes a report. But maybe not. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Deborah, the correct answer to "how do we do that" is "you don't." As for marketing, talk about things there have been how-tos on for a decade. Cameron, what I think would actually fly in the US is a *compliance manual for OSTP mandates* once those actually happen. Same thing really -- but laser-targeted to a problem People In High Places actually believe they have. - RepoRat
@RR Yeh that's fair. And a lot of what we're seeing in the UK is exactly that. I still think there is value in collecting together a lot of the stuff that already exists. Experience and best practice from different places so that where there is institutional support (and it does exist a few places, even in the US) people don't have to re-invent the wheel. - Cameron Neylon
Well, if you're gonna do that, I'm in for whatever I'm worth. - RepoRat
RepoRat, well, we do have institutional support (from High Places if not always from Jo(e) Researcher, OMG that meeting I just got out of) to do some things here - we just also have a miniscule budget. But there are small things we *can* do - and have done so, to be blunt, "you don't" is simply inaccurate - and additional practical ideas (and even just being able to say "Important Book says we should!") would be useful. - Deborah Fitchett
Don't understand some of the negativity here. I personally and many others I am sure at MPOW would find it useful. That was my issue with the Suber and Crawford books, mostly theory. Okay so maybe the book alone won't change your fate if you happen to be somewhere where nobody cares, but it can't hurt right? I mean it sure would beat yet another book on how to use social media in libraries right? - aaron
There are things you can do, yes. I have seen negligible evidence that no-budget "things you can do" have moved the needle appreciably anywhere. So I'm standing pat on this one. No money, no follow-through, no point. - RepoRat
So Chapter 1: This needs resources and support. - Cameron Neylon
My view is that there are things you can do on your own and with limited resources but that the smart choice to make there is to gather a coalition to make the case for resources and identify potential supporters in senior management. One of the truly striking things about the UK and EU situation is how fast things moved over (haphazardly) prepared ground when individuals like Willetts... more... - Cameron Neylon
Aaron: I think the semi-negativity's mostly from those of us who've been burned--and, I gotta admit, seeing my book called "mostly theory" further suggests that I would have no place in such an effort, since the book was deliberately aimed at practical issues, although admittedly not an OA in Five Easy Steps how-to (which I couldn't possibly write). This stuff is hard. - Walt Crawford
Oh, well, great to hear a bunch of stuff that I've put a bunch of effort into dismissed as "no point". Okay, I probably agree that if there's no follow-through there's little (but not no) point, but that doesn't follow from "no money". Doing small things can be a way to get confidence and support to *get* the follow-through. And maybe it depends who your audience is: if the audience is... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Yeah, I hear you, and I'm sorry. I don't always know where the line is between warning people away from bashing their heads against walls that are not gonna fall down and actually being that wall. It just hurts my heart to see people trying so hard in the face of such stupid restrictions and out-of-control expectations and -- noting own bias here -- I really want to see more of these people refusing to be heroes, instead downing tools and saying "Respect and appropriate support or GTFO." - RepoRat
Maybe I should clarify: I am NOT NOT NOT suggesting that Cameron give up on this effort. Not at all. I'm only saying (a) it's hard and (b) I don't think I would personally have anything to contribute. Nor am I dismissing anybody's local efforts as pointless. - Walt Crawford
Yeah, and I do myself vacillate wildly between the "Let's just stop making bricks until they give us straw" approach and the "Ooh, a customer, how much help can I give them before they flee in terror?" approach. It's probably that for my own sanity if I can't do something big then I have to at least do something small otherwise I get distinctly miserable. But you're right, very important not to encourage people to bash heads against brick walls if it doesn't actually provide them any salutory benefits. - Deborah Fitchett
@Walt No probs whatsoever. Doing this would likely cost significant $ so am looking to identify a) whether its useful and b) what the pitfalls are up front. Criticism is useful. - Cameron Neylon
Thanks, Deborah. I think what distinguishes your situation from the ones that really piss me off is that pretty much everything is wing-and-a-prayer where you are; this isn't any different. Whereas it's places that HAVE staff and HAVE resources and just refuse to use them toward these ends where I'm all NO COME ON this is ridic. - RepoRat
Walt: Sorry if I offended. I view both your book and Suber's as books that clarified conceptual issues, this new proposed book is on case studies I believe. As for "smashing heads in brick walls"..I seeing the words "Zero support and resources" and "some schlemiel at the bottom of the hierarchy". Are we talking about the lone coordinator problem where the library hires this new... more... - aaron
Mostly the former, Aaron (though there are other ways to abandon people), but the phenomenon tends to be connected to lack of support in high places. - RepoRat
So what if the initiative was open with big fanfare, and perceived as "glamorous" , with tons of manpower assigned to it and not only that but perceived "High flyers" assigned to lead/support etc. Would that have a fighting chance? It's still early days here of course..... - aaron
RR: Oh yeah, if an organisation has money and/or staff then it darn well ought to do something with it. I just keep forgetting that such places actually exist. :-) - Deborah Fitchett
It's hard to keep up the fight - i've abandoned any OA efforts at MPOW because we have no staff and there really was so little interest... instead i have to direct my efforts at keeping us employed and being entrepreneurial about getting reference work around the lab. - Christina Pikas
Thanks everyone for your thoughts. There's a lot of rich and useful stuff here on targeting, effectiveness and messages that need sending. My inclination is to go ahead and take a shot at this, but think hard about the way it needs to speak usefully to senior management, local management, and foot soldiers on the ground. Those kinds of questions are supposed to be picked up and addressed as part of the sprint methodology but this has been really helpful in avoiding some potential black holes. - Cameron Neylon
Go for it. If you don't, someone else will... and you'll do a better job. ETA: I think a good model for this, one you may actually have read already, is the Library Publishing Toolkit, - RepoRat
What RR sez, on both counts. (As it happens, I *own* a print copy of the Library Publishing Toolkit...for which I wrote the foreword, "Makerspaces for the Mind." An impressive project.) - Walt Crawford
Sidenote: the makerspaces of the mind concept dovetails with what Mita and Barbara said in their respective keynotes at LibTech - maʀtha
Library Fool
Treadmill workstations - does anyone have one in their library for public use? If yes, is it used? Everyone I speak with either loves or hates the idea of a treadmill workstation, so I'm trying to determine if this would be a worthwhile expense.
for public use? No. (well, for staff use the answer is also no). I wouldn't mind having one for me, but I just don't know that a public one would get much use (well, maybe the students would straddle the belt and work that way, but that's just a standing computer at that point. I admit I'd also worry about liability when students did something...not that smart, whether intentionally or not. - ellbeecee
I can't imagine it lasting longer than a week. Kids. Spills. Dropped stuff. Misuse (somebody will try to jog on it, guaranteed). Like ellbeecee, I also see serious potential liability issues. One bad fall, and... - RepoRat
Now, I can TOTALLY get behind standing desks where stuff is actually at the right height. Too many kiosks and chairless desks that make people crane their necks down unhealthily. - RepoRat
I think St. Thomas University here in St. Paul has them in the library - maʀtha
Ooh, ooh, you could get treadmills that generate energy and use them to power the library. Cuz that would be wicked awesome. (Like this: and this - Megan loves summer
And a "use at your own risk" sign gets rid of the liability issues, right? - Megan loves summer
Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Anyone else getting weird errors in IEEE, or are we just lucky?
Let me see if we are lucky, too. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Search for "information". Page not found. Yeah, that is a problem. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Advanced search not found, browsing to journals not found. Summon not finding specific articles. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Reported to IEEE, posted alert to website. And now it's time to go home. Le sigh. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I also reported it to the IEEE, and I would guess many others. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Joe - Systems Analyst
Got done teaching the two credit LIS 4375 (Science and Engineering resources) class for our LIS program. I can say that there are some/many really smart and creative LIS students out there.
it's inspiring, isn't it? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
For the most part, yes. I did have to tell some of the students (more than once) not to just cut-n-paste publisher descriptions of books and/or databases and pass that text as their own. They can cut-n-paste vendor blurb if they make libguides for their libraries [but they probably shouldn't], but they should be using their own words to describe things to turn in for assignments. - Joe - Systems Analyst
(really, they shouldn't cut-n-paste for their libguides either) (tell 'em I said so) - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I will tell em all. - Joe - Systems Analyst
I would like to see [what would happen if] a vendor sued a librarian for cutting and pasting a publisher blurb for copyright infringement. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Things that are surprisingly difficult to find in my part of the library: bookends
by Simon and Garfunkel? - Steven M. Cohen
I literally have a closet full of bookends. I would shove them through this computer monitor to you if I could. - John: Thread Killer
Do people routinely claim newspapers, esp if they're a week old or more? We keep our dailies for up to a month, but I feel like claiming them a waste of time?
We've stopped claiming a lot of items, especially if they're newspapers/magazines that we only keep around for a short amount of time. The time invested in claiming has about no ROI for us. - Elizabeth
I'm a journalism school librarian, and I don't claim newspapers. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I want to get our library staff to say "No" more often. Any advice on things I should give them to read or exercises?
what context of no? like saying no to extra things that aren't going to take up their time? - Sir Shuping is just sir
if students ask for stuff, or joan q public wants a favor, we often need to say "no, that's not possible" due to staffing. time is a big part of it, but also allocation of resources (library stuff stays in the library for all to use.) - kendrak
maybe an "inappropriate yes jar" a la curse jar? - RepoRat
Is it an issue of your staff actually not having words to say "no, that's not possible" in a way that doesn't make them or the patron feel bad? Then a list of "ways to say no without feeling bad" might help, along with (shudder) some role-playing practice? - Catherine Pellegrino
ooh, i like the idea of giving them a script. role-play, not so much, but it might be necessary, - kendrak
with that type of situation, a script is often most helpful. that way everyone is consistent with what they say. the script could just be a couple of sentences so that you're letting the person know why y'all are having to say no - Sir Shuping is just sir
Someone should write the book - Getting to No. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Making sure they are really familiar with alternatives to suggest is the most helpful thing. You never want to have a customer service situation just stop a customer dead like a brick wall, and if your staff are good at their jobs they will hate doing that. So, "Gosh, I'm really sorry that we can't offer that service, but if you contact [X] they should be able to help you; here is their... more... - Marianne
Fly in Chris Miller from Cornell to do Marianne's idea! - LibrarianOnTheLoose
laura x
"The process is the same in every case: culling through a collection of books, pulling particular titles, and eventually grouping the books into clusters so that the titles can be read in sequence, from top to bottom. The final results are shown either as photographs of the book clusters or as the actual stacks themselves, shown on the shelves of the library they were drawn from. Taken as a whole, the clusters from each sorting aim to examine that particular library's focus, idiosyncrasies, and inconsistencies — a cross-section of that library's holdings." - laura x from Bookmarklet
barbara fister
Crunch time! Do anybody have subscription to portal: libraries and the academy? I would very much love to send some faculty an article this afternoon. Help? fister @
If doable, DM me and I can send the ref. - barbara fister
I can when I get back to the computer, I thnk. That will be in 45min - Christina Pikas from iPhone
thanks muchly! - barbara fister
I can't dm you until you subscribe. unless you want to e-mail me: cpikas at - Christina Pikas
okay, got it from hedgie. Thanks, all! - barbara fister
I really wish people didn't deface their postprints with giant watermarks all across every page. so much not-wow. - barbara fister
Greg Schwartz
Know anyone capable of enduring 40 hrs/wk of my company? I have a rare "librarian manager in an IT department" opening at LFPL. Somewhat generic job listing can be found at (currently the only Library position there). Hit me up at greg dot schwartz at lfpl dot org if you want to chat.
Greg is the awesome to know. Someone apply and go be awesome. - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
And let me apologize in advance for the typo and formatting anomalies on the posting. Trying to have those fixed. Trust that my standards are higher than that. - Greg Schwartz
just sent you an email about the job mr. greg - Sir Shuping is just sir
JAson FLeming
What areas, in an academic library, would you keep up with technological innovations for? So far I have: 1. instructional 2. Research 3. Reference Desk 4. Discovery Interface 5. Circulation Desk
All areas? Maybe I'm not understanding the question. - Meg VMeg
I am having a little difficulty phrasing the question properly. I am trying to prepare for a brainstorming session for emerging technology and would like to cluster ideas into categories. SO they can be organized afterwards and to make sure we aren't being blind about - JAson FLeming
I'm with Meg on the all areas. Outreach. - Hedgehog
I'll include a general category (for things like SUMA etc.. Outreach I was thinking #2 could also be called Liaison for Liason librarians etc... but maybe that doesn't take into account marketing efforts etc... - JAson FLeming
digitization, digital libraries, digital preservation? - RepoRat
Would it be possible to cluster them after the brainstorming session? Or are you worried that people will get carried away and miss some areas. - Meg VMeg
I thought it might be helpful to have a semi-focused brainstorming session, but with too many categories we might get off track. So I could just stay aware of the list and introduce areas as they are not discussed - JAson FLeming
Maybe #4 should be more general, like just Discovery? To include things like TOC delivery (email, RSS, etc.), social/learning networks, etc. - Rebecca Hedreen
Hanging out at DASHcamp at UMN today.
FAR too many adventures in travel for going so few miles thus far. - lris
*waves from Union Depot coffeeshop* - RepoRat
*waves back to RR* - lris
RepoRat is currently kicking all kinds of ass in her patron privacy presentation, focusing on what we can do with tech (and education) to increase patron privacy
I would imagine that she is not taking names. Privacy and all. - Julian
hahahahah ha ha YES - maʀtha
I confirm that I took no names. *g* Dropped a few, though (including Francoeur's; I stole the Google Ad Settings idea). - RepoRat
Lightning Rounds coming up include John Fink and Jen Holman! - maʀtha
Oooh, Jen & co are talking about Guide on the Side - maʀtha
John's pres was such a great way to end the session - great message and so very entertaining! - Jen
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