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Pricing question: Some of you may recall that long ago I was working on a book. Life has been a wee bit hectic these last months, but I'm actually approaching publication. It will be a 106-page trade paperback, of which I think 92 pages actually contain text. I'm planning to sell the book book for $10 and the ebook for $2,
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though if you buy a book book and you hang out here, I'll send you the ebook for free. Half the (small) proceeds go to Our Bodies, Ourselves. Sound good?
- laura x
Also, is Lulu.com and Amazon enough buying options? 'Cause I really don't want to spend money getting it for sale in more ebook type places.
- laura x
Blurb, to pique your interest and/or help you decide if you care: "Laura Crossett was thirty-five years old, one month into a relationship, and six months into a new job when she sat in a staff bathroom and looked at a stick that told her something she already suspected. Almost half the pregnancies that occur in the United States each year are unplanned. Some of them happen to married...
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- laura x
That is enough buying options for me. However, if you want another free ebook place, I think smashwords.com is pretty good from what I've heard. Of course, time is also expensive...
- Marianne
I'd go 4.99 on teh e-book leave you some room to play "discount" free games and that mprice point gets you above the 99 cent slush pile... Good Luck with your effort
- WarLord
I should note that my scheme is designed to get me a little over $1 profit on each sale. I was going to go for $2, but that pushed the print price above $12, which I think is too much.
- laura x
I also am not doing this as a money-making scheme and seriously do not expect anyone but people I already know to buy a copy, which is why I'm asking you all. :)
- laura x
the ebook needs to be DRM-free, you know.
- DJF
$12 is absurdly cheap.
- maʀtha
Bump up the ebook price at the very least. But in terms of buying locations i just use Amazon though of course i'd buy directly from you if more proceeds go to you.
- SteVe C
Your plan totally works for me. I'm an easy sell. :)
- Catherine Pellegrino
*reads blurb.... gathers shekels .... waits*
- MoTO #TeamMonique
If youre shooting for friends first, I'd bump the ebook - I'm sure we'd all be willing to toss $4+ in the kitty each to read the e-version (you can discount it if you want to sell more widely to bargain hunters). Paperbacks from teeny presses like mine have ranged from 9.99 to 17.99, so you have wiggle room on the print version.
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Laura: If you have Amazon *and* Lulu, you should be in good shape (are you using Kindle Direct?). Good luck with this.
- Walt Crawford
I agree, I'd bump up the ebook price to start. $2 is very low. I can't wait to read it! Seriously great topic.
- Heather Piwowar
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I dunno if you read Brain, Child but seems just the sort of book they review. Drop them a teaser? I dunno how that works, but guessing theyd like to know about it.
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
Ditto the mag 'Mothering' to a lesser extent.
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
I'd buy the ebook for $4.99 plus shipping even.
- Joe Boone
seriously, charge more, at least for the ebook. one can't even get a greeting card for $2
- maʀtha
I'm going to be stubborn and say to charge whatever the hell you want. but i would happily pay whatever that is.
- Marianne
Depending on the book, we might want to put it in the collection here. Just saying.
- kaijsa
What this seems to indicate is that allowing people to make larger contributions (with the same split of the proceeds between you and Our Bodies, Ourselves) would be something your target audience would welcome.
- Steele Lawman
Yep, I would be in favor of "pay what you will, above this totally reasonable amount" kind of pricing system.
- Meg V. Meg
Unfortunately, there's just no way to do that with Lulu or Amazon.
- Walt Crawford
Direct people to PayPal for over-payments.
- Steele Lawman
Someday, we will all have a gotdamned "appreciate" button on our whatever-comes-next-after-websites-and-social-media-profiles, and micropayments will flow like milk and honey.
- Marianne
In terms of selling venues, how bout a site of your own? WooCommerce - the shopping-cart WP plugin - is free, as is WP. Hosting could be free if you don't have your own. (cough cough)
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
I just remembered: On Lulu, you can have a thank-you note that's automatically delivered to anybody who buys your book--it's your message, and it could suggest PayPal for additional donations. So, actually, Steve's idea *is* workable--for Lulu at least.
- Walt Crawford
I'd pay $4.99 for the ebook without hesitation, maybe even a bit more. But I have to admit I tend to get a bit lazy and forget when asked to "go chip in a bit more over there if you really want."
- John Dupuis
Sounds interesting!
- Paulette
Thanks, all! Food for thought. Now we just gotta get Lawson to finish the cover design.
- laura x
STEELE! I GOT MONEY TO SPEND!
- MoTO #TeamMonique
Whoa! OK! Monday all right for a deadline, Laura?
- Steele Lawman
Nothin' like pressure from MoTO. :D Yeah, that's fine.
- laura x
Library Duck Cam! on USTREAM: We have a duck nesting outside the library! Watch along with us! (And please watch her on the webcam--we are trying not to di... - http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
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YOU GUYS WE HAVE A DUCKCAM!
- laura x
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You're not ducking kidding!
- awd
Duck that noise. ;)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Do you have an elevator to the penthouse for them?
- awd
The paper called wanting to do a story about an hour after Duck Cam went live.
- laura x
NO DUCKS FOR ME! (offline)
- MoTO #TeamMonique
This makes me so very happy.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Has anyone ever used an ILS as a backbone to a shopping site?
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Tech transfer thus far seems to have been in the opposite direction, e.g. Endeca.
- RepoRat
That's what I thought, and I think it'd be kind of interesting to play around with this. Plus I love the idea of making money using MARC records...
- Zamms
I would think that it would make for the least intuitive, most frustrating shopping site ever. There's a reason it's normally gone the other way. :-)
- Jason Griffey
LOL. Depends on the cataloger?
- Zamms
your MARC records are works of art man. most are thomas kinkade.
- kendrak
CATALOGER OF LIGHT!
- Zamms
Data, E-Data, Data Curation: Our New Frontier | 2013 ALA Annual Meeting - http://ala13.ala.org/node...
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You all want to come to this presentation at ALA. I'm moderating, Dorothea's one of the speakers :-D
- Hedgehog
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fine. but only cuz you asked. ; )
- jambina
oh, lord, Hedgie, you just stocked the peanut gallery! NOW WE'RE IN TROUBLE.
- RepoRat
Note to self: take Amy out for drinks on Friday so she isn't fully awake at 8:30
- Hedgehog
puhleese, i'll be out partying til 8:30am - i'll come straight to the session
- jambina
Not sure that I'll be able to come. I hope some of the speakers put up slides somewhere.
- Joe Boone
Anyone heard anything about DSM-V being available online any time soon? I know it's only available through APA, but their website wasn't helpful...
Vaporware afaik... but they say it's coming
- awd
yeah, I finally found Summer 2013 on psychiatryonline.org
- ~Courtney F
this wiley librarian's survey is a #$%^ riot. lol. how much do I think they're trustworthy? HA! and comparing them to E, Sp, T&F, S...
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the people demand screenshots!!!! :)
- RepoRat
too late, sorry! but there were a few questions that were like how much do i love the big evil publishers and do i love wiley more than the others....
- Christina Pikas
wow. that's... needy. somebody's PR arm is scaaaaaared.
- RepoRat
the funny thing is that I'm pretty pragmatic about the whole thing.. i use the hell out of elseveir's products... and i get a lot of benefit from them and when they make improvements... Wiley's platform is pretty crap and hasn't improved since changing over from interscience... but they seem to want to be seen as forward looking and innovative and communicative... NPG is, yes, them? no.
- Christina Pikas
Grabbing screenshots, thanks. :)
- RepoRat
(I'm surprised the survey would let me page all the way through without answering questions.) Also interesting that they toss in a couple of OA questions... A strange, strange survey.
- Walt Crawford
What's with the donation thingy at the start? Just donate the damn money. Don't make it conditional on people doing a survey, you cheap pricks.
- Andy
OK need help...I'm trying to figure out a way to tweet back to this student and be funny, without crossing a line. Suggestions: "Oh my goodness. Jack Tarver tweeted back at me. Best four day boyfriend ever."
What does the "four day" part mean?
- Jason - The Opaque
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apparently that she's only going to hang out with us til saturday because that's the last day of finals...as best as i can tell at least
- Sir Shuping is just sir
She just want to use you for four days. No commitment nor comment needed.
- Joe Boone
thanks for the input i appreciate it!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Any libraries (or more to the point - library associations as opposed to individual librarians) using Pinterest or Google+ - the Circles and Hangouts?
Any anecdata here from libraries that have weeded print serial collections that overlap with JSTOR holdings? How did you respond to resistance from faculty? from library staff?
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I wasn't directly involved when we did that, but I can email-introduce you to someone who was, if you'd like. I think we made an exception for a small handful of journal runs that the history department really I wanted us to keep on site, but I think in general it went fairly smoothly.
- lris
We got no resistance from faculty, who largely see JSTOR as "like a library" because of how we advertised the acquisition of JSTOR collections waybackwhen. Librarians were won over by the idea when we agreed we'd keep anything with images that were poorly reproduced in JSTOR, and/or anything for which there was a compelling need for print use (ie, regular browsing assignments, etc), and...
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- Jenica
We did it. We made more exceptions, especially for art history titles. I seem to recall mostly just having good communication, a "one format" policy saying we weren't going to keep paper copies of JSTOR titles unless there was a compelling reason, and an understanding that some people would still not be happy /comfortable with that. It led to an unofficial public art project by a student: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Steele Lawman
One of the things we worked really hard at was not blowing off people who felt conflicted, or even giving them reason to feel like we were blowing them off. There are professors who have runs of things in their offices. We did our best to stay transparent and emotionally honest when resistance came up. This happened, for example: http://libraryshenanigans.wordpress.com/2010...
- Marianne
Heh. Steve and I overlapped.
- Marianne
Heh. Marianne and I overlapped.Seriously, though: what doesn't bend breaks.
- Steele Lawman
The library staff in question retired. (Just kidding.) (Mostly.) (Not really. And this involves weeding the reference collection, not JSTOR holdings, so never mind.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
There was a decent article that talked a lot about the PR/faculty/public perception angle to weeding hard copies. I just read it last week since we're looking at some weeding of our own at the moment. "Public Relations and Library Weeding" by Paul Metz and Caryl Gray.
- MontglaneChess
We found that JSTOR has such trust with faculty and librarians that there was minimal resistance. I think we were also able to present it to faculty as a choice: weed some serials or make harder decisions about weeding monographs. I believe we also made exceptions for art history and architecture journals.
- Amandadon't
Whenever we pick up a JSTOR collection, the paper goes away (with one exception - because a history faculty member saw the paper on the already-weeded, ready to discard shelf and blew a fuse (he's a former editor thereof)
- awd
Sic transit gloria, history prof.
- Steele Lawman
We didn't ask faculty. No resistance from library staff.
- barbara fister
Most of it is just gone, no one cared as long as we had access, but several departments took every bound volume of "their" journals and crammed them into departmental seminar rooms. I think there may be a few that still get the discarded volumes as the "moving wall" moves.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Oooh, we have the scenario Rebecca describes. I had forgotten/blocked it out/pretended it wasn't true. It was an agreement made by the former director that I haven't cared to countermand.
- Jenica
Pretty sure we don't bind current issues of JSTOR-covered titles and then discard once they are online.
- Steele Lawman
Native Couture: Patricia Michaels | KUNM - http://kunm.org/post...
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"Last spring, Michaels was scrapping by and had just been issued an eviction notice by her landlord. She stopped by the Public Library to check her email, and there in her inbox, was an invitation to audition for Project Runway from the shows casting agent. Even though Michaels had never seen the show, she watched a few episodes and decided to give it a shot, telling herself... Patricia: If you make it then this is your chance to have that audience and be seen by the industry, so don't give up. Michaels told me one of the most challenging aspects of the application process was that she is a severe dyslexic. Patricia: For the Project Runway application it's like 40 essay questions and like 500 photos and images, so filling out these applications I was just like I hope they understood what I just said (laughs) you know, I really hope that I made sense in this application. It took her almost a month to complete the application and she did it by going to the town library, using those two free half hours on the internet, every day"
- Katy S
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I know, it's about Project Runway, but I thought some of y'all might like reading about how much internet access at her public library meant to her.
- Katy S
Ohh i don't watch the show but i'd watch for her
- SteVe C
"It took her almost a month to complete the application and she did it by going to the town library, using those two free half hours on the internet, every day." - Whoops - just saw Katy already quoted this bit. :-)
- Deborah Fitchett
It's an important bit! She had to have internet access to be able to compete (which obviously could lead to more work for her), but even that one hour of time per day at the library is extremely limited considering what she needed to do.
- Katy S
Yes, it's one among many many perfect illustrations of why public libraries are so vital to (considers several possibilities, decides on:) civilisation.
- Deborah Fitchett
Since we've now been informed by The Griffey that the term is neither funny nor useful, I guess I'll have to stop using Glassholes to refer to the portion of the Borg wearing Google Glasses and pretending to pay attention to anything other than "enhanced reality." Or not, since I think it's both funny and a useful shorthand.
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I just find it dismissive, and moreover, deliberately insulting. The term seems to be used as a hand-waving way of not actually discussing the technology and instead relying on ad hominem in its place. Much in the same way that referring to me as "The Griffey" might be seen as a critique of my person rather than my point.
- Jason Griffey
I find it surprising that someone who hates unwarranted generalizations so much would stick to one even after it's been pointed out that it's an insulting generalization. You would be able to tell us in great detail how un-useful and un-funny it is to make a similar name for retired people or non-librarians in the library field.
- lris
Wondered what response I would get. You are both, of course, absolutely right, and I apologize. If I ever said that I was never guilty of the things I decry in others...well, that would be wrong.
- Walt Crawford
The defense might be that Glasshole would only be used for Google Glasses users who behave the way some smartphone addicts do (that is, keeping them "on" while supposedly carrying on a conversation, driving, etc.), but it's a very weak defense.
- Walt Crawford
Note that, while I fully admit that I should not have posted this, I'm not going to delete it--because that would also be wrong.
- Walt Crawford
Thanks, Walt. I got a lot of this reaction to my tweet, and was honestly taken aback. I appreciate your response, very much.
- Jason Griffey
Group hug!
- lris
You're welcome. There is a more sophisticated response, which I might provide in a post. (It has to do with, well, the Segway and Second Life: Choosing to regard a technology as more silly than revolutionary. I might not get around to it, but I think that's partly what's going on.)
- Walt Crawford
None of which has much to do with name calling.
- lris
Absolutely right. (And after reading Griffey's blog post, I don't think I will write a post. Being dismissive of GG: Yeah, I can see that. Being hostile to users *up front*--even before they show Borgish tendencies--that's unfair.)
- Walt Crawford
A google glass on a segway would be cool.
- Joe Boone
In turning this towards the actual technology, this rollout has the same feel as Google Plus. Specifically, an engineering solution to the question of being social online. While Plus has changed over time to integrate certain changes, the circles seem like a cacophony of online noise in which only the loudest voices (read: celebrities, online or otherwise) can actually get feedback or...
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- Andy
Man, I like to type. I posted that comment as a reply to your post, Griffey. Yes, I know it's kinda beside your point, but I thought it might help turn the conversation towards the tech.
- Andy
Apple will bring out something that will define the market in the next few years... though it might not be as smooth as earlier Apple new-tech (for whatever reason)
- awd
I look forward to reading about their patent wars.
- Andy
http://whitewomenwearinggoogle... Also humorous
- Steele Lawman
Awesome
- Marie
Where do jobs for digital/data curators get posted?
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jobs.code4lib.org
- jambina
that is a gorgeous, gorgeous set of listings
- Meg V. Meg
they don't. sorry.
- Rochelle's favorite Royce
OH YEAH, LIKE YOU'D KNOW
- Meg V. Meg
I've got a giant spreadsheet of research data jobs with "where I found" (i read too many job lists) if you'd like to read let me know--less focused on digital project librarians
- Hedgehog
Oh man. I look at that list and I think I WANT TO HANG OUT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALL THOSE JOBS. Er, once they get them. And probably also all of the applicants for those jobs (the ones who really want said jobs anyway). <3.
- Marianne
Happy to introduce you to friends and former students of mine workin' those jobs, Marianne! Just say the word.
- RepoRat
Wouldn't you think that two requests for a quote, one copied to a manager, would be sufficient? Nope! Just sent a third (and added another person). Apparently they don't want our money after all!
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Yesterday, American Journal of Public Health emailed authors of *already published* articles to say that the journal's closed-access period has been extended from 2 years to 10 years, unless authors are willing to pony up $1000 (which the journal considers to be a "steeply discounted rate"). Uhhhh...ransom much?
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Huh, but of course they can't withdraw the PubMedCentral copy. So is this just preying on authors who don't know what PMC is?
- Meg V. Meg
I wonder how many takers they'll get.
- Marie
HAHAHAHAHA *sob*
- lris
2013 seems to be the year of publishers trying to figure out what the hell they can get away with.
- RepoRat
"Additionally, you may purchase a Noncommercial Common Use License (NCUL) for $500. This license enables readers to use your article for noncommercial purposes without the need to purchase permissions, and it also permits free reproduction of your article."
- Meg V. Meg
Unlike. Also, can they even--? No, what am I thinking, they own the copyright, don't they. <head-desk>
- Deborah Fitchett
feh.
- Marianne
See, this kind of thing (without the PMC aspect) is what I was wondering about with regard to the RUSQ situation: what can/will/does happen when a journal/society/publisher decides to renege on a previous agreement about OA? Obviously there are lots of possible answers to that question and a lot will depend on the contract language, but I think we may see more of this in the near future.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine: And there's one of the strongest arguments for CC-BY: CC licenses are legally binding and can't be undone for a given article once applied. RR: As an optimist, I'd say that's the natural flipside of OA finally gaining some serious traction--looking for every possible way to $ubvert it.
- Walt Crawford
Well, the publisher CAN change the license under which it makes an article available. But if I received a copy of the article with a license that allows redistribution, then there's not much point in the publisher doing so, except to try to squeeze money out of people too stupid to google.
- DJF
Wow. Ow, too much headdesk. Pre-2006 I published in two journals that were OA and became TA as well as five journals that changed owners so now that stuff belongs to two evil empires and two small tollgates. All self-archived but yeah, get yer rights while you can.
- barbara fister
I have an idea: It can go OA 70 years after the death of author. If it's a work of corporate authorship, 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation, whichever expires first. That formula has been well tested and should fit better into existing workflows.
- lris
As Walt kind of says, I think this is a good thing in the get-worse-before-it-gets-better plan.
- Steele Lawman
http://gclibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2013... (tweeted at them too)
- Meg V. Meg
I really wish I could get Jill onto FF. She is the person who wrote that article that I linked to earlier. http://dx.doi.org/10...
- Joe Boone
Nicely said!
- Walt Crawford
yes, that's VERY good.
- RepoRat
I don't get it. As mentioned its already in PMC so what's the point here?
- aarontay
Man, this serials stuff makes eBooks look like a gentleman's duel.
- Andy
The point is for the publisher to try to suck extra money from faculty who may not know any better.
- Joe Boone
Me to EBSCO support: Did you know "Time" is marked as an "Academic Journal" in your MEDLINE? E: NLM does not distinguish between various source types, so we mark everything as academic. We regret the inconvenience. Me: You regret the inconvenience and will fix, or you regret and won't fix? E: The latter.
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yep
- maʀtha
huh, I didn't know Medline indexed Time.
- Hedgehog
Real slick, EBSCO, real slick.
- Stephen le Francoeur
I don't think they index it consistently, but health-related articles are there. If you have EBSCOhost MEDLINE, do a search for TA "Time" and you'll see results.
- JffKrlsn
Incidentally, the way I discovered this was through a search in EBSCO Discovery Service. Hence my concern. Students who have limited to academic journals in EDS would get results from Time...
- JffKrlsn
to be fair, this is a problem with the MEDLINE/PubMed data that EBSCO receives. MEDLINE doesn't identify peer-reviewed journals. try using the publication types, e.g, clinical trial. that will help loads.
- maʀtha
Those attending the EBSCO lunch at ACRL might find an opportunity to ask this question but with a "when will you be fixing the fact that ..."? Cause a default policy that its academic if we don't know otherwise is probably like of 180 of what faculty want their students to assume....
- Lisa Hinchliffe
I'm more concerned about problems with CINAHL, since EBSCO is the exclusive vendor for CINAHL, by which I mean, put in the damned DOIs. Yes, I've been complaining about this for years. *crawls back into grumpy cave*
- maʀtha
martha, but with EDS, EBSCO could choose to show the record from Academic Search Complete rather than from MEDLINE. Yes, people searching MEDLINE specifically are likely to be able to see that the article is not research, clinical trial etc. I'm concerned about the very helpful, clear "Academic Journal" icon that appears next to the non-academic journal article in EDS.
- JffKrlsn
Basically Ebsco is saying their academic journal limiter is useless. I am seriously grumpy with vendors right now, and this tipped me over the edge!
- kaijsa
(i love love love these kinds of conversations)
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Oh, I know, JffKrisn. Students run into this problem all the time, and it is a problem.
- maʀtha
oh my god
- Meg V. Meg
What? Time isn't scholarly/peer-reviewed?
- Joe Boone
so how should we go about asking them to solve such a thing? would we have a collective power if we all did x?
- Marie
Keep in mind that they are probably reading this thread too :)
- ~Courtney F
Huh. Would one want EBSCO to make their own call about what is/isn't an academic journal? Would one trust EBSCO to make that call? Would it not be preferable to get the NLM to do this properly?
- David Rothman (☤)
EBSCO should be able to do something to remove academic limits from a database if it isn't useful. The EBSCO interface is designed by EBSCO to interact with a commercial database. What limits apply is an interface decision. And since MEDLINE is available through other interfaces *without* this problem, this is a real problem for EBSCO. Why should folks buy EBSCO Medline when it screws badly with the all important Discovery layer?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
David, this isn't EBSCO making the call, this is asking EBSCO to respond, via indexing, to something that is a stated truth (I would hope they would verify it and not take our word on it). EBSCO isn't deciding what's academic, they make a decision about the search results based on NLM's statement that " NLM does not distinguish between various source types, so we mark everything as academic. "
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Exactly, Rudi. Honestly, isn't indexing the REASON we subscribe to databases in the first place? I'm also furious that MLAIB doesn't have abstracts--in a citation-only database!-- and I wish dbs added that value for searchers. We have most of the full-text, so it's not a huge prob for our users, but still. It's an essential piece of the evaluation process!
- kaijsa
Oy, reply to a different support request late last night (not sure what continent that was coming from!) really has me seething, but it's probably too involved to post here... I've noticed that phone support is usually better than email, but I'm usually hesitant to devote the real-time commitment to it.
- JffKrlsn
They fixed it. Now I'm seeing that a number of academic journals are classified as "periodicals" in MEDLINE, but that bothers me less.
- JffKrlsn
Wow. Good for you.
- maʀtha
Another thing users seem shocked by. Ebooks that can't be downloaded totally, or printed.
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Ooo, are you an ebrary subscriber too?
- Zamms
Seriously, I am working on a presentation to explain ebrary to users. It is necessary.
- Zamms
safari, books24x7,... yep. sigh.
- Christina Pikas
It's a question that comes up every single orientation....
- Hedgehog
Need me to share my presentation?
- Zamms
I don't think it's just ebrary.... The whole concept of an ebook that can't be read off-line seems alien to most users.
- aarontay
EBL, feh
- maʀtha
Project MUSE, OTH, lets one download the entire book, save, and print. Chapter by chapter, of course, but, still, kudos to them.
- maʀtha
We have a libguide that shows what can be done for various ebook packages. http://libguides.du.edu/content... found within http://libguides.du.edu/ebooks
- Joe Boone
Joe you rock. ROCK rock rock!
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
The LIS students who put this together a year or two ago rock rock rock. Some of the info might be slightly out of date.
- Joe Boone
Some of our ebrary titles can be fully downloaded, some can't, and you can't tell which is which until you try to do it (which requires creating an account).
- Meg V. Meg
Chris, I'd be interested in your preso.
- RepoRat
Oooh, I'll be stealing from Joe's guide. The U of Melbourne also has a nice one: http://unimelb.libguides.com/content...
- Megan loves summer
Surprisingly sciencedirect ebooks have no drm either. Chapter by chapter downloads as well. That often puzzles users too , why chapter by chapter.
- aarontay
I'll post an edited version of the preso when it's done. (You don't need the slides about how to login using our account info...)
- Zamms
thanks!
- RepoRat
Psychological Inquiry OA issue: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc.... My mother received a notice about this and wanted to know what the reaction of the library community was. I said I'd ask. :)
So, it's a single issue (vol. 23 #3) of a toll-access journal that T&F has magnanimously decided to make OA? (Oh, wait, vol. 22 #4 is also OA. But that's the only other one I can find.) This is different from "free sample issue" how exactly?
- Catherine Pellegrino
Or, wait, maybe these two issues are populated with articles where the authors have paid the $3000 "make my article OA" fee?
- Catherine Pellegrino
I can ask one of the authors A Librarian's Defense of the Practicable Over the Perfect in Scholarly Communication, Jill Cirasella
- Joe Boone
oh DUH, I missed the obvious fact that all the articles are about open access/open science. I'm clearly not capable of sustained reading of extended texts. Or tables of contents.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Haven't asked yet, but I am guessing that she didn't pay a 3k fee.
- Joe Boone
Of course, libraries that subscribe probably don't get a discount from the free issues or two.
- Joe Boone
Hahahahaha. I asked the LSW something about writing for this journal: http://friendfeed.com/lsw... I believe it turned out that it was free through their platform for a limited time or something? And you could self-archive the final version. ETA: now that I look at it more closely, though, I don't think the entire issue was...
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- Meg V. Meg
I'm helping convene a group of CUNY librarians who meet regularly to talk about mobile computing. At our next meeting, we'll be talking about wifi. I'd like set up a poll to send to attendees in advance of the meeting. What sorts of questions would be good to add to that poll?
Do you offer wifi in the library?
- Stephen le Francoeur
Do your users have to log in to wifi?
- Stephen le Francoeur
Are wifi logins tied to campus logins?
- Stephen le Francoeur
do they participate in educause?
- jambina
Do you have a separate channel for guests?
- Stephen le Francoeur
Why educause?
- Stephen le Francoeur
are wifi users automatically proxied thru to subscribed resources? all wifi users, or just those with campus identities?
- RepoRat
not educause, eduroam.
- DJF
sorry YES eduroam
- jambina
Can guests ask to use wifi? How long does it take for guests to get a password. (For conferences and meetings and such with outsiders.)
- Joe Boone
Maybe something about help with wifi? Like, who is responsible for helping students when they can't connect (IT, the library, library IT?).
- MontglaneChess
Doesn't look like anyone in NYC participates in eduroam.
- Stephen le Francoeur
What are the biggest complaints you've gotten about your wifi, and how have you attempted to address these?
- Meg V. Meg
Can wifi users print?
- Hedgehog
Are your users concerned about security when using wifi?
- henry
"Encounters with dead white men and other excursions" by Laura Elizabeth Crossett - http://ir.uiowa.edu/etd/4551/
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First thesis at the University of Iowa with a Creative Commons license. Mine.
- laura x
from Bookmarklet
I cannot begin to tell you how THRILLED I was at the first doc student who came to me WANTING to deposit his diss and put a CC license on it. I suspect you made a UIowa librarian very happy. :)
- RepoRat
She is either very overworked or not big on chitchat, because I actually attempted to correspond with her a bit but didn't get a further reply.
- laura x
But! But! Now people can PLAGIARIZE it!
- Steele Lawman
As someone who has actually already read this book (woot, ILL), I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
- Marianne
Hmph. Well, I WILL BE THRILLED THEN.
- RepoRat
It is not really that good. I just wanted to be in an IR with a CC license like all the cool kids.
- laura x
I'll plagiarize it, MFA for me! ;)
- maʀtha
I should warn you that it was two pages too short when I got my MFA, but they let me pass anyway. I think now it would be 22 pages too short.
- laura x
Just went all Jenica on a student who wanted to not just use tape *here* but to take it around campus to put up posters. "Well, do you know where there might be like a stash of tape?" "At this point, you really should buy some at the bookstore." "It's like a buck fer crissakes," I did not add.
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You're a bad man, Steele Lawman. We loves you for it.
- awd
I used to own a staple gun for this sort of thing.
- laura x
Laura, you just reminded me of Trip McCrossin and the infamous Staple Hammer (a regular stapler, duct-taped into the open-pseudo-staple-gun configuration), which affixed thousands of union posters to telephone poles in the mid 1990s. Good times.
- Catherine Pellegrino
People of this specific part of the internet: have you ever migrated away from Lotus Notes and if so, where did you migrate to? Asking for a friend.
Well, an acquaintance.
- Zamms
I mean, we don't even really know each other that well.
- Zamms
Lotus to Exchange.... one evil empire to another back in the *mumble mumble 90s*
- awd
I think my dad's company moved from lotus to exchange recently
- ~Courtney F
Can I ask a dumb question? How is Exchange different from Outlook? (That's two dumb questions.)
- Zamms
We've always used Outlook (the program that shows me my email) here. We have only recently been on an Exchange server (that allows me to use all of the features of Outlook the program). Does that help?
- ~Courtney F
Courtney: Yes. YES IT DOES! (See also: beams of light shining on my head)
- Zamms
Yay! Glad I could help :)
- ~Courtney F
MPOW is hiring a Special Collections Librarian! Come work with me. It's a department head position. I am *not* on the search committee; happy to answer questions. https://jobs.uic.edu/job-boa...
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anyone have a collection development policy for graphic novels?
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I used to be in charge of the graphic novels when I worked at my public library. What are you looking for in terms of policy, exactly?
- Jed Harris-Keith
from iPhone
mostly just something that say what type of novels we collect, certain publishers we buy from, etc. just something to give my boss an idea of how i'm building the collection
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Shoot, I saw some examples a while ago. Maybe here? http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/content...
- Amandadon't
In my own lib, we don't, as I've never felt like I had enough budget/acquisitions power to justify writing one. Which is... probably not the best way to look at it, I'm realizing now.
- Amandadon't
thanks Amanda! I want to be able to keep ordering stuff and need to explain what I'm ordering and building our collection towards
- Sir Shuping is just sir
I partnered with an interested art faculty member at my last job
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
Hmm. I have a bare outline of one in my head--don't know if this will help, but here's what I tend to keep in mind. We DON'T collect single comic books, open-ended superhero series (like the latest Batman collection or whatever), or popular manga series. We DO collect memoirs, literary/hipster fiction (ex. Clowes, Tomine, Ware), self-contained superhero collections (like Batman: The...
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- Steele Lawman
One thing that informs my collecting is that the local public library and the statewide libraries that loan through our Prospector system do a *great* job of buying the stuff I don't want to touch (manga series *shudders*) and making them very accessible to our patrons, making it much easier for me to say "we just don't collect X, Y , and Z."
- Steele Lawman
thanks Jason! Steve that helps a lot, I appreciate it. I wish we had an easier system for our patrons to borrow stuff like that.
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Yes, if we didn't, I'd probably have more of a policy of collecting "selected examples"
- Steele Lawman
My focus is very similar to what Steve so eloquently outlines. We've had a few writing profs interested specifically in life writing and autobiography, so have some curricular support for the memoir piece, esp. international. Part of my "no big unfinished series" policy is mercenary, in that I can't make a standing order commitment re: budget, so prefer one-time purchases.
- Amandadon't
cool thanks! yeah i've done mostly one time purchases as well except for fables, because i like it and its spread out through the year.
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Anybody else doing https://www.coursera.org/course... ? Hunting for study buddies.
don't shoot!
- maʀtha
I said "hunting for," not "hunting." :P
- RepoRat
*snicker*
- maʀtha
oh yay! thanks, Iris
- RepoRat
i might. trying to figure out if i can really do it.
- jambina
I just signed up. Although I have to be honest: My track record with MOOCs is abysmal.
- Laura Krier
Maybe study buddies would help?
- Laura Krier
I want to but like Laura, I haven't been a good MOOC student.
- kendrak
Tell y'all what, I'll make a MOOC Study Buddies room. Can be reused for other MOOCers, of course. :)
- RepoRat
I'm signed up but not sure I'll actually do it all
- kristin buxton
I saw algebra and quailed a little. Sad, I know.
- Yvonne
I can still do algebra if I have to. If it'd been CALCULUS, I'd have run like a rabbit.
- RepoRat
would love to... but I dropped out of the last mooc and it was only 5 hrs a week :( and I can do R but don't know python or sql :( Perfectly happy in Algebra and actually probably could remember calculus if needed... but that doesn't help... i would so love to take this course! eta: oh crap... i just signed my self up...
- Christina Pikas
I'm so glad to see i'm not the only mooc dropout around these parts. :) (but I joined the group anyway, because one of these days I'll succeed and just maybe a study group will help with that)
- ellbeecee
Does DSpace not play well with Chrome? Trying to get to usage statistics and none of the charts want to display.
Do any of you at academic libraries create temporary computer accounts for people who don't have credentials through the school? If so, what are you using to create/manage those accounts?
We use Envisionware's PC Reservation to give 90 minute guest passes to unaffiliated users.
- ~Courtney F
Our campus IT department has set up a generic guest account, so we hand out those credentials.
- lris
We had them sign a pledge and then signed them in to a universal public access account
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
Like Iris, our campus IT has set up a guest login with limited access to things like key-server-licensed software, etc., so unaffiliated users use that login.
- Catherine Pellegrino
We have PC res for visitors. There's another option where guest accounts can be created for visiting scholars and such that will expire after a certain period of time. There's also a set of logins (they expire...weekly, I think) for guest users of the microfilm machines.
- ellbeecee
We have open 30 minute computers, no log in required; we have guest log ins that are for other medical professionals or non-uni members (read: law firm) using us; for wireless, our campus IT has a form they can fill out to get a guest log in texted to cell phone--5 days/semester. They must have own cell phone for that.
- Hedgehog
we have an anonymous login that only gets them access to .edu and .gov site - no MS Office; and a guest login where we create an account using a script we wrote to add the user to LDAP
- jönαthaη
Thanks all, our campus IT is shutting down the server we've used to create temp accounts so are scrambling for alternatives.
- kristin buxton
common behavior? Summon results list - clicking on the title takes you to the full text not a page with more detailed citation information... is this typical for discovery services? This is how our new article search is and I find it weird.
I think it is. More Google like, I suppose.
- Stephen le Francoeur
I think that's based on whether or not you have One-Click turned on. We don't, and I get a link resolver result page on articles with more than one access point.
- kaijsa
EDL doesn't do this (or if it does, it's turn-off-able)
- Meg V. Meg
We do have one click turned on for our Summon. We try to have it go to the most stable full-text sources, publisher first, then from a priority list of various vendors. We also have ArticleLinker set up on a top frame if the patron would like to see if the FT is available from other sources besides what was presented from the one-click.
- Joe Boone
What's EDL? Summon & other discovery services I think also has direct linking is independent of your link resolver settings. In our Summon instance, in some cases the link brings you to the landing pages like http://www.sciencedirect.com/science... , that's not directly the full-text, though in some cases it does bring you direct to full-text with pdf loaded though eg Oxford journals.
- aarontay
Funny you should ask. I thought it was the new "EBSCO Discovery Layer"? Though their web stuff makes it sound like it's called EDS? But we have a trial now, and I am 99% sure that I've never heard it called EDS, because I would have made a Ross Perot joke.
- Meg V. Meg
Definitely EDS. If you click the title, it brings you to a detailed record screen (usu. with abstract though not always), and there are links to either full text or link resolver that show on the results and/or detailed record screen, depending on how you set it up. (This is the same way that other EBSCO dbs work.) There's no option to make clicking the title go directly to the source. The one exception is their "Web News" database, which as far as I know is documented nowhere although it does exist.
- JffKrlsn
Always heard it called EDS. It's quite interesting when you consider the main selling point of services like pubget is that you can do a search and download the pdf directly from the search screen without even seeing the native interface. That's one step up even from Summon with one-click 360link turned on.
- aarontay
EDS (Summon, too, I thought) presents a "Full Text" button (or other specifically named option buttons to check for linked full text or ILL) right in the search results list by default. Click the Title for the record/metadata & click the Full Text (or other buttons) for the actual content.
- awd
our new default is to go from citation to full-text without stopping at link resolver page. I prefer it the other way, but I think my colleagues' research supports the one-click thing - so I defer to the users.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
I'm coming around to one-click. When we only have one full-text option, it goes straight to that from Summon, and it's nice. I think we're just worried about things breaking and not giving people options if there is more than one provider. We should probably stop worrying because things break all the time and we cope.
- kaijsa
scopus has a separate button to grab and download the pdfs of any selected articles in your results set. I can see why that's handy. I'm not terribly keen on the title linking as there is a full text button in the record anyway
- Christina Pikas
We hate the download button in Scopus, it's a bit confusing since it will download citation/abstract only if there is no full-text which confuses users. Plus we have this little thing about restricting downloads via ezproxy beyond a certain amt in a short time..... Plus the download manager uses java....sigh..
- aarontay
kaijsa, for 360link at least, you can do a helper window iframe, with links in the frame on what to do if the content below is broken. Disadvanatages are well it's a iframe, so some sites will not work well with it, and also for some browsers depending on cookie settings, there will be "cross-domain" issues with cookies or something particularly with ezproxy, there are ways around it..... http://laimages.s3.amazonaws.com/data...
- aarontay
By the way, if you are talking about "page with more detailed citation information." in Summon, you can see this by hovering over the title for a popup or clicking on the small magnifying icon which will popup the detailed record in Summon. It is very easily missed (think Summon 2.0 changes this?), most people just click on the result, which will then go to the link resolver, which is...
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- aarontay
we have the same frame thingie that @aarontay mentions. except the peoples don't see it. still, good idea; I point it out in classes. dunno if this link will work: http://vb3lk7eb4t.search.seria...
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Here is ours http://bb2sz3ek3z.search.seria... , think need lots of work on design/wordings.. One of the links leads to a online form for reporting broken links
- aarontay
I could have sworn there was a thread about school and public library partnering and possible integration... I just noticed a meeting at #ala13 (or is that #ala2013?) which might possibly be of interest: AASL/ALSC/YALSA Interdivisional Committee on Joint School/Public Library Cooperation http://ala13.ala.org/node...
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