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Pete's Got To Go
For a colleague- Canadians! Or people who have been to Toronto! Good areas in which to airbnb?
It depends. The greater Toronto area is a bit bigger than the metropolitan London area. What are the planning on y doing there? - DJF from Android
Looks like they are at a conference in Ottawa then extending their stay. - Pete's Got To Go
I agree with DJF. Toronto is BIG. All things being equal, I'd look for something fairly close to a subway station as that would give the most flexibility. - John Dupuis
ta both - Pete's Got To Go
any comments on Cabbagetown? - Pete's Got To Go
Cabbagetown is good. - John Dupuis
...You seriously have a suburb called Cabbagetown? That's awesome. - Deborah Fitchett
Is the traditional name of an area downtown. Toronto is also know colloquially as Hogtown. - DJF from Android
The wikipedia page actually gives a nice sense of the neighbourhood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - John Dupuis
Yeah, Cabbagetown is OK, but Moss Park and Regent Park are still pretty sketchy - DJF
kaijsa
Is it just me, or are some vendors really ramping up their pre-conference pitches? One particular one has called me every day this week, keeps emailing to ask for an appointment, and now left a voicemail saying every existing customer who brings a non-customer librarian to the booth gets an iPad. This is beyond.
wait, whut? really.? that's a bunch of iPads. - Christina Pikas
Yeah, it sounds crazy. Like, do they mean one iPad per customer institution, or individual? We're customers of this company and are sending 13 librarians to ACRL. Theoretically, that could be $6500 worth of iPads if they mean what they say. It was clearly not a drawing but "we will give you an iPad." - kaijsa
I am so annoyed that I don't want to even talk to them to find out, btw. - kaijsa
Now I know where all my subscription money is going.... - lris
This is an equipment vendor. - kaijsa
so. many. cold. calls. it is ridiculous. - Marie
i'm not registered for ACRL, but I've gotten about as many emails from vendors about that as I do for ALA (which I do attend) - ~Courtney F
I have not been hit up for ACRL. I am TOTALLY okay with that. The ALA onslaught is going to start shortly - Hedgehog
I got an email coupon from vendor in question with the line, "a non-customer institution cannot be used more than once with this gift program." So I guess the limit applies the other way. So weird. - kaijsa
kristin buxton
A few years ago at ALA there were LSW ribbons. Do any of you know where those came from? Online service? (I'm affiliated with another organization that's thinking of making some)
I bought a run at one point. I got mine from pcnametag. I still get emails/catalogs mailed to me and it's been at least 5 years... - Hedgehog
i did it for my podcast and they were from pcnametag too. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
thanks! - kristin buxton
kaijsa
I'm trying to help an English prof find good text(s) for a graduate seminar on non-traditional publishing. She wants a textbook, but I was thinking there might be better stuff as articles, whitepapers, etc. that could be assembled into a course pack/links. Everything I like is written for librarians, so I'm hoping for stuff pitched to authors.
Any ideas are welcome! - kaijsa
Hmm, well there's a lot about grey literature in medicine. Mostly discovery though, not sure if any about writing it. - Hedgehog
<Insert unhelpful giggle about a TEXTBOOK on non-traditional publishing> - lris
In literature there's a goodly amount written about hypertext lit, so that might be one genre to pursue. - lris
Or maybe poke through material on alt-ac. Much depends on what counts as non-trad. Technical writing? Creative non-fiction? Journalism? - Heather
https://pinboard.in/u:dsalo... or https://pinboard.in/u:dsalo... might have something. If she hasn't looked at The Business Rusch, she should. - RepoRat
Yeah, it really depends on the kind of material being published. Scholarship? Fanfic? Old school alt-press stuff? Zines? - laura x from iPhone
I've read lots of stuff on self-publishing of novels (from the days when if you self-published it would make zero and also *never* be looked at by a publisher, through the days when a few exceptional self-published items became a hit and got picked up, to now where self-publishing can work for you somewhat if you're already famous and/or willing and able to put in the marketing effort... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Iris: Oddly enough, I got a Lulu email today: nine of their top 20 authors have published textbooks, so it's clearly a real thing. - walt crawford
Planned Obsolescence by Kathleen Fitzpatrick covers non-traditional publishing from the academic side of things. Plus the book itself was released for open peer review, so you can actually read earlier drafts of the book online: http://www.plannedobsolescence.net/kathlee... - Freeda B.
Thanks all, both for validating my thoughts about this and for good ideas. I'll definitely point Prof to Planned Obsolescence and see if any of this meets her needs. - kaijsa
laura x
A library patron just tried to engage me in a discussion about the dress I was wearing the last time I saw him.
Sure sure, it's about information needs. - Meg VMeg from Android
i love you, meg. - jambina
It was white and gold. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
No, it was blue and black. I remember it well. - Todd Hoff
nice dress - maʀtha
He said it was red. I don't own a red dress. Wtf. - laura x from iPhone
...Do you have a green dress? - Deborah Fitchett
Weirdly, no, though green is my favorite color. - laura x from iPhone
That sounds creepy. Don't like. - kaijsa
Mr. The Jason Fleming
ALA Think Tank birthdays are not at all like LSW birthdays
~Courtney F
"Vendor: We can't turn on access until you pay" Me: "We can't pay without an invoice."
Why is this so hard? - ~Courtney F
*headdesk* - Catherine Pellegrino
them: "we can't turn it on until we have a signed license" us: "send us the license""send us a license we can accept based on our dealings with you over our 70 year existence""do you really need a license addendum for each additional book on your platform?" - Christina Pikas
I sometimes feel this way getting quotes from vendors. Don't you want me to spend money with you? - John: Thread Killer
them: we sent you an invoice, please pay. us: we have required state forms that must be completed before we can pay an invoice. we sent them three months ago; please complete them - we want to pay you. - Galadriel C.
"send us a license we can accept based our our dealings with you over our 70 year existence" YES! +1000. Why do we always have to start from the boilerplate when we ALWAYS ask for the same changes? - Grumpator
cause THIS time will be different. we'll accept any liability, any venue... and promise our kids will eat their broccoli and go to bed at 7:30 - Christina Pikas
I just got an invoice forwarded to me that is dated 04-2014 and has been circling the university like a hot potato for nearly a year; I called the vendor as it's unclear what it's even for. That was two days ago and I'm still waiting for a response. They clearly don't want our money. - Jen
Quietly shred that invoice, Jen. If you don;t hear back about it, it's all good - Aaron the Librarian
lris
Remember the Meebo room and the fun we had with the word "document?"
I joined just barely into the Post-Meebo Era, so I don't, but I do remember dongles. - Catherine Pellegrino
Bad Word Filters! Whee ;) - Aaron the Librarian
aww, the Meebo room - ~Courtney F
Here's Iris's old guide to it: http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008... - laura x
I know someone did screenshots of the bad word editing thing, but I can't find any right now. DOCUMENT. - laura x
I joined during the Meebo era, but maybe toward the tail end. Sniff. - kaijsa
Oh, I miss it so. It was not crawled. - maʀtha
:: pacman :: - Julian
I remember people mentioning the Meebo room, but I think they were technical reasons why I couldn't join. I sounded like fun. - bentley
Julian FTW! - maʀtha
Sad that I missed the Meebo days; I joined in the post-document dongle era. - Galadriel C. from Android
laura x
Duck chooses to nest outside Coralville Public Library | TheGazette - http://thegazette.com/2013...
Duck chooses to nest outside Coralville Public Library | TheGazette
Our duck in one of the local papers. - laura x from Bookmarklet
Remember when we had a duck at my library? - laura x
I do! - maʀtha
Stephen Francoeur
Inspired by this Ross Mounce blog post, http://rossmounce.co.uk/2015..., I'm looking into where ReadCube is offered as an "option." So far I have Wiley, SpringerLink, and Nature. Aside from the display issues and the previous conversations here in LSW about ReadCube, it seems like a bad thing for libraries, right?
We have it for Nature. I need to look at the usage data to see how much we have spent. - Joe
Someone on ERIL last September from U of Utah mentioned about 700 articles being purchased at an average cost of $8.20. - Stephen Francoeur
And on the EZproxy list, I'm seeing reports from last summer of complications from it with respect to URLs that will work off campus. - Stephen Francoeur
I'm assuming that any articles you purchase are DRMed. - Stephen Francoeur
I believe you are correct. - Joe
Mr. The Jason Fleming
I'm trying to test something. Can you tell me if your institution uses OCLC for cataloging but does NOT have a subscription to FirstSearch. THANKS!
We fit that description - JffKrlsn from Android
This is possible? I was under the impression that at least the WorldCat part of FirstSearch (soon to be only WorldCat Discovery) was a required portion of the cataloging subscription. - Holly's favorite Anna
NCLIVE is dropping Firstsearch here so all NC libraries need to decide if they are going to purchase Discovery or not. We are still trying to figure out all the ramifications of this but as far as we can tell No, they aren't reliant upon one another - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Nope, each OCLC service is separate. There is the new WorldShare stuff, where everything is bundled together. But, if you don't do that, you can have a cataloging subscription or an ILL subscription or FirstSearch. Or any combination of them. - Christa
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Have any of you worked with personality tests in managing people? DISC, Strengthsfinder, MBTI, etc.?
Meg VMeg
Does anyone know if Datastar is still alive? http://datastar.mannlib.cornell.edu/home
jambina
fyi - NSF "designated repository" is ONLY the DOE one for now. "NSF does expect to expand over time the range of designated repositories and other third-party services into a federated public access repository system." but your repository, they do not care about right now.
Pete's Got To Go
To the tune of 'yesterday'
Database / all my troubles stem from your arrays / how I wish for a new interface / oh please let me use a different database - Pete's Got To Go
Suddenly / certain articles are not free to see / and what I can find is not scholarly / oh database why punish me? - Pete's Got To Go
Why they had to go / i don't know / contracts they say - Pete's Got To Go
Negotiations went wrong / now i long for a new database - Pete's Got To Go
Database / all my troubles stem from your arrays / how I wish for a new interface / oh please let me use a different database - Pete's Got To Go
Hmm mmm mmm {name redacted} - Pete's Got To Go
Afternoon *bump* - Pete's Got To Go
*applause* - Kirsten
I expect you to perform this live when you visit - maʀtha
IF, Martha. A very big IF - Pete's Got To Go
Now it is a when, I shall rehearse ;) - Pete's Got To Go
yay! - maʀtha
Grumpator
Anyone know anything about Socrata? http://www.socrata.com/ Some rep has been spamming random people at my library, and since they ask about open access, I'm getting a lot of referrals. Not sure they're legit?
I guess I don't mean I wonder if they're legit, but their marketing technique seems to leave a lot to be desired. And I don't know if universities and libraries are partnering with them? - Grumpator
I don't understand what they'd be spamming you for. - Meg VMeg from Android
I know they handle NYC's open data portal, which has started totally sucking sometime in the past 6 months, but I don't know if those are related. - Meg VMeg from Android
Socrata is totes legit. They are known for building open data portals for cities, like NYC and Chicago. From my understanding, its not a cheap product and I don't know of any universities who have used them for open data. - copystar
Thanks! The email I received was very vague about wanting to talk about what our university library is doing in response to federal open access mandates, but without any context or introduction or reason why I should talk to this person. and they randomly selected staff from our directory who have nothing to do with open access, open data, or anything to email. So I disregarded the first message as spam, to be honest. It was spammy. - Grumpator
Understood. It's disappointing that Socrata didn't do its homework to know that Open Data is* not the same* as Open Access. I haven't heard of any special modifications that they made to accommodate OA, so it sounds like they are just trying to increase their market with pure sales push :( - copystar
This is unfortunately common among salesfolk, I find; they are too often hired for supposed sales ability rather than product knowledge and then hopelessly inadequately trained. - RepoRat
Steven M. Cohen
I could always do without the "shhhh" in these types of articles...http://blogs.wsj.com/digits...
yeah, this needs a Tumblr so damn bad. - RepoRat
~Courtney F
Does anyone have access to this: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record... Online access is not available due to copyright :(
No, sorry. WorldCat only shows a handful of libraries hold it, too. - kaijsa
Is there something specific that you want to check? - DJF
a friend was looking for specific pages for a personal genealogy project, but i don't know which pages - ~Courtney F
I know a fistful of librarians who are going to be in Madison in May (including me). We might be able to get them for you, if you can get the page numbers, and they're willing to wait until then. Or, you know, ILL would work too ;-) - DJF
yeah, i recommended ILL to her, but thanks! - ~Courtney F
Stephen Francoeur
So it seems like Discourse and Commons in a Box may be our two best options for the next home for the LSW. Is that the impression others have gotten from our flurry of pro/con comments here about different venues?
Agreed. - Zamms
Yes, and like others, I'm happy to contribute to cover costs. - Galadriel C.
Yes. - ellbeecee
That's the sense I've gotten from listening in. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Yes - those two seem the most likely. - WebGoddess
Seems so. - lris
I defer to the decision of the platform change committee. - Joe
But, Joe, you're the Grand Poobah of the Platform Change Committee! Lead us out of this wilderness. - Stephen Francoeur
Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Maybe it "accidentally" went into my spam folder. - Joe
Yes, and happy to contribute on costs too. - Deborah Fitchett
Do either allow RSS feeds? - Hedgehog
I second the motion to trust the PCC to decide. And I'm happy to contribute to costs as well. - Jen
Yep. - RepoRat
Yes, and happy to pitch in. - John Dupuis
What they all said. - laura x from iPhone
I agree again! Cos I've had whiskey and am in an agreeable mood! - Zamms
I'm feeling a little uncomfortable here, as I've been talking up all sorts of options but honestly don't feel like I really know enough to speak with authority about what would be good for this group in the long haul. I also am feeling discomfort because I'm not up to the task of installing and maintaining either of these options, although I'm more than willing to chip in $ to pay for... more... - Stephen Francoeur
Somebody gimme a server/ftp login and I'll get to installin'. *g* - RepoRat
Can we do both and see which one catches on? - Meg VMeg
^this. also, who is collecting the $? - maʀtha
Paypal payments to Blake? Modest Kickstarter? - Zamms
I'll be happy to help out too. Let me know. - aaron
Is this something we could run a Patreon to cover ongoing costs? Would that even fit their 'rules'? - John: Thread Killer
Maybe not Patreon, but Paypal can do subscriptions. https://www.paypal.com/pdn-rec... - Holly's favorite Anna
jambina
registration for the Zar Symposium is open - come talk scholarly publishing with me (and a certain FFer) http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e...
Wow...must sign up today for that. - Hedgehog
Hoorah! What am I talking about again...? Oh yes. I remember #toomuchgoingon - Cameron Neylon
Hmmmm. I wonder if I can get the kid home for a surprise trip home. And, maybe he can see grandma on her birthday. - Joe
Joe
Joe
Cancelling databases is hard. Especially when they are in a bundled package.
We tried that once... and ended up billed a bit more withouut that "included with the bundle" database. It was pretty funny. - Aaron the Librarian
We are getting rid of the whole bundle. - Joe
Yep. Practically impossible. - lris
I'm working on a proposal to swap databases in a bundle; should be interesting, I'm surprised the vendor is even entertaining the notion. - Jen
A sales guy for a company that rhymes with SnowVest sold my business guy on a bundle that was more than what we were paying for a few core databases, but included some stuff that would let us cancel other databases. Then it turned out that stuff wasn't as comparable as business guy had been lead to believe, so we couldn't cancel. We also couldn't go back to the "grandfathered" pricing... more... - Holly's favorite Anna
In a conference preso I likened selecting a database to selecting the Pope. You can't cancel that shit! - Marie
Hah! - lris from Android
I <3 Marie. - Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine Pellegrino
You guys. YOU GUYS. If you are not already following @HogwartsUXLib you must go and do so RIGHT NOW: https://twitter.com/Hogwart...
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Joe
Joe
What did I learn from the LSW group and from the Wider FF community?
I learned that there are others who feel the same way I do about life, things and stuff. And I love you all for it. Heck, I even love [most] of the FF people who don't feel the same way. - Joe
God. So much. - laura x
most of what I know - lris
That not everybody hates me? - RepoRat
So so much. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
that my colleagues are funny, smart, in touch, and willing to lend a hand instantly - and that the world is not so grim a place after all. - barbara fister
All of the above. LSW restored my faith in librarianship. :-) - Megan loves summer
...pretty much everything I know about libraries...and technology...and what happens when social hits technological... - Cameron Neylon
So much, and so much that's kept me going. (OK if I mine this thread for my C&I reminiscence?) - walt crawford
That there are people who think like me, and people who don't, and there's a place for us all. That organisation need not mean organised. That people will, and do, lend a hand. - Pete's Got To Go
Walt: mine it as much as you want. - Joe
I've learned so much from the LSW! I feel pretty new around here, but have found the attitudes and passion here really inspiring. It's honestly helped me stand up more for the stuff I believe it at my own place of work. Plus the LSW has given me models for passionate-but-collegial disagreements. And models for robust theorizing about the library, or robust research into library stuff. - Regular Amanda
what it means to have a professional network I can immediately rely on at all hours. - Hedgehog
That ragequit doesn't mean forever. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman from iPhone
I agree with pretty much everything Cameron says here: http://cameronneylon.net/blog... - John Dupuis
i joined FF almost the day i started my first librarian gig. to me being part of libraryland means seeing all of you on FF daily. - jambina
How awesome non-medical librarians are, and some of the amazing things they're accomplishing every day. - Rachel Walden
To me, and this is mine-able, the great thing about FF was that it was the first place that I saw that really facilitated people interacting that might not have met before. In my case, it was scientists and librarians. We librarians had a chance to see what scientists were really thinking about and really doing at the edges of the open science world and to reflect back and give... more... - John Dupuis
So much - including through all these discussions about migrating content and community to a new site. I love how thoughtful you all are! - Grumpator
What a lot of you have said, but just that you all are my people. I love having a wide network of smart people who will give me advice, agree or disagree with me in meaningful ways, and give me a broader perspective on things. Also, I just like you all. - kaijsa
FF and the LSW is my go to professional network. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
^^^ This. Twitter is useful for knowing what' going on and for links to interesting stuff, but the depth of the conversation here and the capacity to get good help or discussion about an issue - and sense of close community - there's nothing like it. - barbara fister
The ability to say something in more than 140 characters helps me gather my thoughts. Even though other services have threaded discussions like this, the LSW has the right diversity and mix of people for me. The ALATT had a chance to be like the LSW at one point, but that place feels more like a frat house, and people are trying to get the most attention. I know I am generalizing, and there are good libns in ALATT, but the loud ones get the most notice. - Joe
I learned that goodbye does not mean never again hello. Also, I learned that a career is more than just the daily job, as it can have so many facets and directions. - Julian
Who are the cool librarians who know the real deal.. who "get it"... - LibrarianOnTheLoose
^^^ This! Being part of LSW has changed my life. I've found support for incubating ideas, been challenged to grow and expand in a professional humorous way by fun super smart colleagues, and especially during the move and transition to my current place of work, LSW kept me from feeling isolated and alone in my work. - Galadriel C.
How awesome it is to have a tribe that has my back. That not all libraries are dysfunctional. That there are amazing people doing interesting work. That it's ok to have professional heroes/crushes/whatever-you-wanna-call it and sometimes you get to meet them and they have foibles and interior lives and that's cool. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Like others have said, LSW has restored my faith in the future of librarianship. It's meant more than I can express to have a place to converse with such thoughtful, open people. - Jen
Besides learning the more practical aspects of things, a lot of my thinking on librarianship has been shaped by discussions here eg. IL, open access just to name two. - aaron from Flucso
Just to let folks know: I've put together a first draft of the C&I essay on FF and LSW (too long, but that's C&I: for concise excellence, go to Barbara Fister) and included *almost* all of this thread, names included. The exception: I omitted part of one of Joe's comments because, even though I agree fully with his thoughts on ALATT, I'd just as soon not go there by name this time around. Maybe I've been burned too badly by them. - walt crawford
So: If there's anybody who *doesn't* want your comment used (including your screen name), LET ME KNOW within the next two weeks. The thread reads really well as a closing section of the article. - walt crawford
I'm happy to have my comment and name included, but if you could please use the now slightly edited version I'd appreciate it. - Galadriel C. from Android
Galadriel: Done. - walt crawford
I should really try to say something more intelligent. - laura x from iPhone
LSW reminded that becoming a librarian was the right choice for me and that the job I had when I find this place was not the right choice for me. - John: Thread Killer
Thank you! - Galadriel C. from Android
Okay, here we go: Before I became a librarian or ever thought of it, I was an activist. I organized and demonstrated and got arrested and generally worked my tail off to try to change the world and make people's lives better--sometimes those of my colleagues; sometimes those of people I'd never met. When I started working in libraries, I felt I lost a lot of that. I still believed in... more... - laura x from iPhone
lris
Big Ol' LSW Happy Birthday to Julian!!!
Happy birthday Julian :-) - Pete's Got To Go from FFHound(roid)!
Happy Bday! - Joe
happy birdies - barbara fister
Happy birthday! - Galadriel C. from Android
Happy day, Julian! - laura x from iPhone
Pete's Got To Go
I raise you a raised eyebrow...
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But why was I? - Pete's Got To Go
That's your resting face sweetheart :-) - Heleninstitches #teamff from Android
fair do - Pete's Got To Go
+1 Helen - bentley
That's like, 'Vivien Leigh level' brow game. Well played. - YvonneM
Years of practice - Pete's Got To Go
maʀtha
We've had spme attrition here in ye olde LSW. Let's raise a glass to those who left
To the Carping Nerdboys! - maʀtha from Android
Hear, hear. - Marie
to Derrick! - maʀtha
to eagledawg! - maʀtha
But we'll always have Angelica Mc Sanson! #damnspammers - Stephen Francoeur
maʀtha
John Fink, Nancy Sims, and I are at LibTech! Anyone else?
Louise Alcorn is there I think. - Stephen Francoeur
yes, haven't spotted her yet - maʀtha
DJF
DJF
Finally reading Breedings' "Future of Library Resource Discovery" paper. The copy editing on it is SHIT. Or nonexistent.
I *hate* that! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Rachel Walden
Late meeting yesterday. Even later meeting today. Early breakfast meeting tomorrow. Send coffee.
ellbeecee
Publishers' Move Could Mean 'Whole New Trial' in GSU Copyright Case - http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw...
Poor GSU. So many legal fees. - lris
yeah, I can definitely see a use for a broad-based legal-defense fund a la CBLDF. I haven't heard of anything like that in the university context, though. - RepoRat
"Fair Use Legal Defense Fund?" something like that. - RepoRat
It is as if publishers don't like fair use. - Joe
It's one of those Western-movie standoffs. A lot of 'em don't make money off permissions once overhead is taken into account, but for any of them to lay down arms, they'd all have to. - RepoRat
Follow up http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw... - HT to Stephen Francoeur for linking to this. - ellbeecee
Can they not pass the legal fees on to the residents? #privateschoolemployee - Meg VMeg
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