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Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
oh sure, decide to do this once i leave the city. fine. *grump* ; ) - jambina
RepoRat
New leak of TPP consolidated text on intellectual property provides details of pandering to drug companies and publishers | Knowledge Ecology International - http://keionline.org/node...
"Our first impression in reading the document is the extent to which the United States has sought hundreds of changes in intellectual property norms, some small and subtle, others blunt and aggressive, nearly of all of which favor big corporate right holders, and undermine the public’s freedom to use knowledge." - RepoRat from Bookmarklet
Yeah, we expected it to be bad, and it's bad. Gear up the SOPA/PIPA machine. - RepoRat
The Australian Library and Information Association issued a new statement on the TPP yesterday: https://www.alia.org.au/news... (re copyright, not the drug companies IP part) "Proposals in the leaked document would bind participating nations, including Australia, to tougher copyright laws than now exist under current national laws. The draft... more... - Megan loves summer
ALIA, pulling no punches. Good for them! - RepoRat
lris
Ok, seriously, why do college boys think nobody will notice if they're working with you and then lean back to get a good angle on giving their crotches good deep scratches.
I don't think they think no one will notice? Like, when I was in college, my male friends were attempting to teach me to do this in a male fashion. - laura x
You are supposed to notice. - Aaron the Librarian
boys.... - lris
...are gross - Aaron the Librarian
what the... Damn, am I ever glad I work at a women's college. - Catherine Pellegrino
I am SO not a guy. - DJF from Android
^ ditto, btw. - Aaron the Librarian
wait, so this is supposed to be appealing? or gross? they want to be noticed? - maʀtha
Disrespectful at best. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I assume it's like needing to adjust your bra. - laura x from iPhone
not like pulling a strap up... maybe getting all in there and putting things where they need to be, but I wouldn't do that outside of the ladies room unless there was a major malfunction that I had to hold together to get to some place private. - Christina Pikas
Aaron the Librarian
Cod Signal - none of MPOW's business resources will give me historical industry ratios. 1. would you mind sending adobbs at the gmials 5 or 10 years of industry ratios for INTC's industry (Semiconductiors - Broad Line) and 2. tell me where the data came form?
Current ratios are pretty easy, but getting historical is elusive today. (guess what I'll be proposing for future acquisition) - Aaron the Librarian
let me take a look, just a sec. - ellbeecee
do you have an SIC code to make it easier for me? (we have D&B industry norms & key biz ratios online, but I'm being lazy about looking up the SIC myself) - ellbeecee
I see it listed in Mergent as -- Industry: Semiconductors and related devices (SIC 3674) Industry: Semiconductor and Related Device Manufacturing (NAICS 334413) ? - Aaron the Librarian
fwiw, this access is awful. Slow as hell. I'll get it to you by 5 (probably by 4:30) but their formatting makes it slow. - ellbeecee
Ha. I've managed to get through 2010 so far. It's getting there though. Soon, I promise. - ellbeecee
ok, sent. - ellbeecee
thanks for plowing through that interface... osunds suboptimal - Aaron the Librarian
it's usually not, though - I'm not sure what's going on with it today. - ellbeecee
Questions like this make my imposter syndrome kick in like WOAH. - barbara fister
^^^ Yes. - bentley
chemistry does that to me. :) - ellbeecee
ellbeecee
A reversal for Georgia State - Scholarly Communications @ Duke - http://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholco...
lris
My favorite stapler-related exchange of the day (Ann is my department head).
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Depending on the "people years" benchmark chosen, those maths are spot on... time to change Gigi's name to Methuselah? - Aaron the Librarian
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Hi all, I am getting ready to send out a survey to "all social sciences faculty in the US" and I'm wondering if any of you have done anything like that, and how you went about sending it out? My plan is to send via association listservs, but I'm finding many divisions have moved away from email lists, and many more hide the existence of an email...
I put together a list of all the library directors at carnegie designated master's granting universities for the dissertation. You might do the same for provosts at all US institutions and ask them to pass it to scosci faculty; we get many research surveys forwarded on by the Provost. Time consuming, but at least you'll have an idea of who you're hitting, methodologically. Everything else is sort of a crapshoot (and how would you measure participation as low or high? Or is it just informal?) - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
oh, that's a great idea, and MUCH easier than trying to find association listservs! (and we just decided response rate would be something we have to do without, no matter how we distribute. Even if we send to Provosts, we won't know how many distribute it or how many eyeballs receive it, right?) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
You would know how many potential eyeballs you'd have only if you knew how many socsci fac were at each institution. - Marie
are there specific pockets of socsci fac you're interested in targeting? so many from R1s, so many from comm colleges, etc. How will you know if your respondents are representative of the population? - Marie
Marie, not specific pockets, but the whole of it. We're looking into how social sciences (and some overlap into humanities) faculty use data in their research and teaching. We'll be slicing the data every which way to see the story it tells (discipline, geography, type of college/university, age of respondent...). The population we're looking at is really social sciences faculty in the... more... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Yeah, cant hurt to add the provosts to the association list you may get. You still wont know about saturation, but the likelihood of responses goes up :) ETA: goodluck! - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
I'm unclear why you need ALL the social sciences faculty. But, FYI, there are mailing lists you can purchase. FWIW, most of the data slicing you are describing requires knowing who got the survey and the response rate to meet the requirements of the cross-tab/stratification analysis you want to do. Otherwise, you can't claim anything about faculty generally - just "those who responded"... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Lisa, my coauthor is at ICPSR, and she will be handling the analysis. I'm completely confident she knows what she's doing statistically. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan from YouFeed
I wouldn't touch a project like this without a coauthor who understands that side of it; I agree that librarians are embarrassingly bad, as a whole, at data-based research, and would never contribute to the hot mess. You know me better than that. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan from YouFeed
I'll be happy to be schooled on how the statistics work here if you don't have a way of knowing the sample. - Lisa Hinchliffe
^. Especially since youd have to know how many socsci faculty are at each institution to even know if you have a representative sample from the school. Very interested in seeing this! - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
lris
Dear vendors, you cold call me when I don't want your stuff, but then when I contact you and beg to give you my money, you don't return my call. I'm confused.
Too busy cold calling folks who don't want their stuff, obviously! - WebGoddess
been there, done that. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
so much this. also, invoices are similarly missing/overshared - ~Courtney F
Yes! Repeated emails and phone calls, going over head of sales rep, and still going on 3 weeks. My kingdom for a price quote! - Jen
Holly's favorite Anna
Subject line for my eleventybillionth report of full-text online items not being linked to the full-text from Summon: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
The reply begins with, "Although it may seem 'inconceivable', we are aware of this linking issue and are working on a solution." - Holly's favorite Anna
LB put a spell on you.
#AchievementUnlocked! Unjammed a stapler at the ref desk today! First time in all these many years I've had to do that at a service point!
lris
Cake at our department meeting to celebrate our stapler's birthday. Gigi made it to the one year mark!
🎂 - Julian
One of my colleagues named her car that. - Holly's favorite Anna
a public party with cake for teh students (esp. the students that didn't abuse Gigi) would be fun, too :) - Aaron the Librarian
Please share my heartfelt congratulations on surviving one year! - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
She needs a tiny party hat! - LB put a spell on you.
Steele Lawman
Me in class today: "Remember that JSTOR only digitizes a limited number of journals in each discipline. For example, in the subject of history, there are only...over 5,000... Ok, that's actually a crapton, but..."
History is the bread and butter of JSTOR. :) - Holly's favorite Anna
For my journalism & PR students, i emphasize the STOR in JStor, telling them that it's not current - which is what they need. JStor has great name recognition, but it's the WRONG database for mai students, generally. *sigh* - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Coverage is great in lit, but our profs want lit students entering the *current* conversation in the crit, so they require sources to be <10 years old. I have to flat out tell them to keep their grubby mitts off JSTOR and go to to MLA first. - kaijsa
Walt Crawford
I *so much* want to tell this Visionary White Male Executive to shove it...well, anyway, you might or might not enjoy this, even with the "Library is dead, long live the library" oh-so-visionary/disruptive cliche subhead:...
Oh my stars, where do you find this stuff? - Marie
Somebody noted it on either Twitter or Facebook or Google+; most likely FB. - Walt Crawford
I saw it on Fb too, as well as this one: http://www.thenation.com/article... You can't fire a cannon down the street these days without hitting a education-disrupting venture capitalist. - John Dupuis
Summary: "I went to the library when I was a kid. My kid now goes to the library. The library is still around! How? I don't know. Maybe, "It appears that the library realized it was not in the business of checking out books, but of engaging in the process of accessing and applying knowledge." The end." - bentley
Oh, brother! - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
"innovative" and "excellence" are on my bullshit list. Also vionary and disruptive. They offer certificates in innovation. Does it require renewal every ten minutes? I mean, how long does that last? - barbara fister
"When my son started saying that he was going to the library with his girlfriend to study, I had to investigate if this was even possible." ಠ_ಠ - Andy
that he had a gf? or that he studies? - Aaron the Librarian
"There were literally people of all ages and they were all enjoying themselves." Tee. - Melissa M
barbara fister
DO ANYBODY NO about the International Conference on Books, Publishing, and Libraries? Scam? Not scam? Common Ground Publishing is behind it but link doesn't work. Hmm.
Or any knowledge of Common Ground Publishing founded in the 80s in Illinois and published in many fields and has "scholar knowledge communities." - barbara fister
They are on the U of I campus. Looks like several of their websites are down. Their book titles look interesting. http://theuniversitypressbooks... - Joe
It's interesting that nobody here appears to have personal knowledge of this conference which has been going on for years. Huh. A faculty member asked me about it. I guess all I can say is "uh, dunno." - barbara fister
To be clear Common Ground Publishing a run by a faculty member at Illinois but is not based at the University. I would say that it does not have a stellar reputation (if you search for it on the Chronicle discussion boards there are conversions there). - Sarah from FreshFeed
Thanks - that's very helpful. Will take a look. - barbara fister
What's interesting is that it seems to be the conference/journal packaging that has become so popular and weird of late, but started early on. Still - Imma gonna recommend ix nay to the faculty member because it just doesn't smell right and her conference dollars are limited. - barbara fister
Steele Lawman
One of the students I went through writing tutor training with about 5 years ago just wrote on my Facebook wall, "A good section of my 7th grade class the other day was spent explaining that librarians are cool. Expect disciples soon."
Walt Crawford
Starting in on an interesting thesis on identifying bad OA publishers, and run into this: "Publishers have arisen that abuse the Gold Open Access model, in which the author pays a fee to get his article published, to make money with so-called predatory journals." Sigh. Repeat that error often enough...
I've just skimmed it, but tagged it for later use. WAY too respectful of Beall, but that's not unusual. - Walt Crawford
Joe
Joe
Thinking back to this exact date 6 years ago.... Thanks LSW Peeps Steve, LauraX, Josh, Kaijsa, and many others. http://librarycampwest.pbworks.com
Oh wow! I didn't realize we were at the anniversary. Thanks for the reminder, Joe. It wouldn't have happened without you. - Steele Lawman
Wow! I was just drinking from my LCOW mug this morning. - laura x from iPhone
Still waiting for promised LCOW mug from Steve :) - Kathryn is a free elf
That was my first unconf, and remains the best one I've attended. - kaijsa
I still have an extra one that hasn't cracked or gone kabloooey. Shipping to Australia can't be too expensive, right? Can you DM me your mailing address? - Joe
Catherine Pellegrino
It's never a good sign when a guy with a pipe snake and heavy boots walks into the library.
nnnnnnnnnnnope. - RepoRat
Pipe Snake Dude left just a few minutes after he arrived, and zipped off in his little Maintenancemobile. Backwards. - Catherine Pellegrino
Mr. The Jason Fleming
Come work with me! (but not for me, or me for you) "Associate Director Library Research Services and Learning Spaces" http://www.uncw.edu/hr...
That is a very compelling ad. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
If anyone has any questions I'll do my best to answer them. I love working here (and being next to the beach) ! - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
The position sounds very interesting... - kaijsa
Lecturer, non-tenure track? Is this standard in the uncw libraries? - Aaron the Librarian from Android
I glossed over that, mostly with a hurrah for "administration, not requiring research". But, that's an excellent question. Also note the 11 month contract-- plus 22 vacation days! An actual required month off, plus other vacation time? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
my previous job had two months off in the summer but NO vacation. You had to borrow against the summer to take any days off - Mr. The Jason Fleming
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I've decided to send out a wee assessment to all the classes I've met with so far this semester. It's my first attempt to assess use of what I've taught. I'd love feedback from any of you willing to give it a look http://www.libsurveys.com/loader...
I'm not sure this is clear "Have you used your library research instruction in this class this semester?" - I'd change it to something like " have you used what you learned..." or "have you used what was taught..." or even expand to "your ENG102 (or whatever) class attended a library research session this semester. Have you used..." - ellbeecee
Thanks Laura, I like your third option. (I feel like the first is assuming that they learned, which is the question...) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
A related comment: I think "what elements" might be confusing to students. As teachers, we think about components of our instruction, but students might not think of it as discrete units. Maybe you could ask "If yes, how did you use it?" Or "how did you apply what you learned?" I think you might get more detailed responses that way. - Megan loves summer
in the cutting text department, you could eliminate one of the "this semester" phrases in Q1. And in Q3, how about saying "have you used what you learned in ANOTHER class?" (so going back to Q1, say "did you use what you learned in THIS class …" ) - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
and I might also simplify the last question: "What, if anything, are you confused about, or want to know more about, following your library research instruction session?" - cause if it's Too Many Words, they won't read it. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
curious to know what you find!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Thank you all-- those comments helped a lot! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Lisa Hinchliffe
Anyone with experience managing/administrating an IdeaScale site? Especially for a library planning process? Would love to hear experiences...
So - no one? Then, new question ... what do you think of the idea of using it as a platform for a library strategic planning process? - Lisa Hinchliffe
Sorry for not responding sooner. I've used Ideascale a few times to brainstorm session ideas for conference or workshop planning. Worked fairly well. My experience taught me to watch for duplication - people tend to post first before looking to see what others have posted, and then you have people voting on the same or similar ideas which skews your results some. But that might be alleviated my 2nd lesson - better explanation of how Ideascale works. - Grumpator
Walt Crawford
Gotta say, San Antonio Public Library should have seen this one coming as soon as BiblioTech opened: http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2014...
seems to me it's an irrelevant bone of contention in a fairly standard funding-equity war. - RepoRat
I think it's only relevant because the county folk (esp. the guy who got BiblioTech going) can say "See? We can do it better & cheaper if we just get rid of all the books and most of the staff." - Walt Crawford
aaron
Trying to recall this blog post on library website design that critised library websites for putting mostly content (links to search, databases etc) instead of showcasing events or their people.
I remember it was fairly controversial and led to a little blog exchange. I *think* it was on academic libraries but could easily have been on public libraries. - aaron
Thanks Catherine exactly. in particular I remember the response you made. been rethinking lately about library website design and mobile tech lately. - aaron from YouFeed
Catherine's piece is great and I **love** the connection between campus site as marketing tool and library website as marketing tool. Nearly impossible to find the actual life of a campus when it's all splashy "why you should enroll/give" Potemkin's village. When I go to a library site, I'm usually looking for stuff, not library news and social media palaver. - barbara fister
Funny how we go back and forth on this. Kind of like faculty committees - we have too many! prune, prune. We need a committee for .... grow, grow. We have too many (repeat infinitely). - barbara fister
Bell's discussion only makes sense (to me) for academic and school libraries. For public libraries, the "parent institution's website" only comes into play if the library's website is so badly titled/designed that people can't find it directly. I suppose there must be some who say "I need to see stuff at the library. That's probably a city department, so..." but not many. - Walt Crawford
Maybe I misunderstand Bell's piece. But I see academic libraries moving away from the search/discovery business (thanks to changing habits, open access availabilty etc) and moving towards showcasing expertise in data research management, open access, GIS and new facilities like labs etc. This would imply the real estate on the portal should shift towards mentioning those areas and less on "stuff". - aaron
I also notice is that another way to solve the problem would be to have a smart bento style search box with a "best bets" or something, so common searches would recommend librarians and or services... Eg try searching GIS for NCSU libraries. - aaron
I may also have misunderstood; it wasn't Bell's clearest column. - Walt Crawford
Aaron, that shift away from search/discovery toward data management, GIS, etc. may be true ... at R1s, ARL libraries, and other top-tier places. Not so much at small teaching colleges, Podunk State University, community colleges, etc. Which make up a huge proportion of academic libraries, at least in the U.S. - Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine: But isn't it fairly standard operating procedures for discussions of What Academic Libraries Need to focus on The 148 (Research/doctoral intensive) or The 143 (libraries spending at least $10 million), assuming that what works for them will also work for the other three thousand? - Walt Crawford
What's good for the goose is good for the gosling. - Stephen Francoeur
Or to frame all of higher eds problems in terms of either R1s and their undergrad experience or ivy leagues, almost always ignoring the experiences of the nearly 50% who attend CCs. We seem to have a problem grasping the wide spectrum when talking about issues. - barbara fister
Not that public library discussions are free of this problem--amazing the number of discussions, etc. that appear set in a world where most public libraries are good-size institutions serving at least 40,000 people (true of about 15% of America's public library systems). - Walt Crawford
Yes, my argument is for research intensive universities including my own I guess. - aaron
lris
Just How Big Is Google Scholar? Ummm.... http://news.sciencemag.org/scienti...
"When it comes to searching for scientific literature, Google Scholar has become a go-to resource for a growing number of researchers. The powerful academic search engine seems to comb through every academic study in existence. But figuring out exactly how many papers are covered by Google Scholar isn’t easy, recent research shows—in part because of the company’s secretive, tightlipped nature. And some scholars warn the service may be inflating citation counts, although that may not necessarily be a bad thing." - lris
"He did note, however, that index size is less relevant to search companies such as Google than to subscription-based databases, which can use size as a selling point." ???? - Meg VMeg
yeah, "since it's free, why do you care?" - lris
I think that sentence means that Google itself doesn't have a motivation to keep close track of how many citations are in its database, since they aren't out trying to compete with other products based on size. - Steele Lawman
On a related theme: "The Rise of the Rest: The Growing Impact of Non-Elite Journals" http://arxiv.org/pdf... - lris
But they can still sell data related to click-through and search trends, which will be more valuable if they have more content. - Meg VMeg
Ah, OK, that makes sense. - Steele Lawman
Is Probably just me but the estimates in the paper even the larger ones of 160 million strike me as low. Just a feeling based on looking and comparing with our library discovery systems which have more accurate figures. - aaron
Ingrid Thomson
Mediterranean Journal of Social Sciences. Guess this is just in time for us to use for Open Access Week! http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetime...
Kathryn is a free elf
I received an email with the header "Calling for Origianl Papers" ... and the text for some wolves in Open Access clothing is in the same vein. Not surprised that the same academics who believe impact factor means anything would use the logic based on this sample of one to conclude Open Access is evil ...
Here is one of the sentences from the email... "One of the several other objectives of this consortium is to hone the research skills of the budding researches and to provide a platform for the academies unseasoned but promising scholars, Industry Personnel's and any individual who can offer innovative and novel ideas to the society for its betterment." - Kathryn is a free elf
laura x
I'm going to be at this thing next Saturday! Celebrate Writing @ MPL 2014 | Marion Public Library - http://marionpubliclibrary.org/celebra...
I'm going to be at this thing next Saturday! Celebrate Writing @ MPL 2014 | Marion Public Library
Mr. The Jason Fleming
New report urges university libraries to reconsider their role in discovery @insidehighered - https://www.insidehighered.com/news...
New report urges university libraries to reconsider their role in discovery @insidehighered
"As faculty members and students find new ways to locate scholarly research, a new report encourages college and university libraries to re-evaluate whether their efforts to connect users with content are money well-spent." - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Bookmarklet
This article makes my head explode. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
seriously.. - Mr. The Jason Fleming
oh wow, that's great advice. why hadn't we thought about doing this before now? - Marie
Seems like there are a lot of red herrings in here. Ithaks's survey has statements like "It is strategically important that my library be seen by its users as the first place they go to discover scholarly content” and "My library is always the best place for researchers at my institution to start their search for scholarly information.” "First?" "Always?" What kind of control freaks do they think we are? - Steele Lawman
More important that they get there easily but know that we are the reason they were able to get there - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
Yet look at how many directors indicate strong agreement with those strongly worded statements... - Lisa Hinchliffe
I guess I think it's a Catch-22 of a statement, making directors think "am I admitting defeat if I don't agree?" - Steele Lawman
I think directors aren't the ones getting requests from patrons asking for help in connecting to resources. - kaijsa
well until the patron needing help is someone who knows someone in campus administration and then the problem goes straight to the director #butIdigress - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Utrecht is already trying it: http://libereurope.eu/news... - RepoRat
"Electronic articles can generally be found on the Internet. Google books and Worldcat provide a reasonable alternative to our own catalogue as far as printed books are concerned. " I guess I just live in a totally different universe than the author of that report does. - Steele Lawman
The problem I come across with users using Google Scholar is that they hit a paywall for articles we don't have access to instead of a link to a populated ILL form - Mr. The Jason Fleming
^yep, that^ - Aaron the Librarian
GS probably would run into friction from publishers supplying them with the content if they made it too easy to have an alternative to purchse. Then again, would be neat to know how many people searching GS actually purchase the articles they find there. (Not many, my guess.) - barbara fister
I actually kind of agree that we exaggerate the discovery function of libraries and overinvest in trying to be discovery engines. And that too many people in positions of power get upset at the idea that discovery isn't a library thing, that we're "falling behind." Libraries never were the primary place where discovery happened for scholars, though it has been and still is pretty good at "five scholarly articles, stat." - barbara fister
Let me change that "kind of agree" to "agree strongly." - barbara fister
This, by the way, is something that has interesting instruction implications. Is it all about discovery? Not if by "discovery" we mean "searching for a subject and finding some sources." - barbara fister
^^ heh - barbara fister
Stephen Francoeur
Can anyone tell me the general differences between the legal research options you have in Westlaw Campus Research vs. Westlaw Next?
When would you want to use one instead of the other (we have both, and also LexisNexis Academic). - Stephen Francoeur
We use LN for newspapers... and legal stuff as we do not not have WCL or WN - Aaron the Librarian
Idk but campus has a very restrictive license - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Law librarian here. WCR is very comparable to LNA for legal research - excellent coverage of primary legal materials, and access to law journals (one of the less helpful secondary sources, but they cost WL very little to offer). The biggest difference in legal materials is WLN has a wealth of the really good (and $$$) secondary / analytical materials - treatises, practice guides, current awareness, et al. - Elizabeth from BuddyFeed
I'm glad a law librarian chimed in. We have the Westlaws, but only at the law library or with login by law people. University libraries have LN only (well, and other nice things like Hein Online). - kaijsa
i buy Westlaw Next (Paralegal ed.) for mai grad students who study media law. It's got more stuff & is easier to search than LexisNexis academic. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
For those of you who have Westlaw Next, have you been able to configure off campus access via EZ proxy? I've tinkered with the settings in EZ proxy but can't ever get it to work from off campus. - Stephen Francoeur from Android
lris
Has anyone here gone to or heard about Emporia satellite Library Science program in Portland? A daughter of a friend is wondering about applying there.
Check the HollySue batsignal - she graduated from that program, I think. - WebGoddess
I did indeed. I liked it a lot - the local director is GREAT, and there has always been a good mix of professors and real live practitioners teaching the courses. I think the program is especially good for people already working in libraries, but I know people who weren't that still liked the program. - holly #ravingfangirl
Holly, would you mind if I gave your email address to my friend's daughter? - lris
A couple of my friends went there and liked it. It's been a while, though. - kaijsa
not at all! hollysue at the gmail place - holly #ravingfangirl
I know someone who was in the Denver satellite. Would you like his name? - Joe
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