If they start to let me pull in stuff more easily and browse it the way I can my friends on there now, potentially yes.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Nice introduction:) Next FriendFeed, maybe. If Posterous can post like FriendFeed my Google Reader shared items to Twitter I think that for me is all that I need, maybe Facebook too
- krzychukula
I love Posterous. I moved both of my Wordpress blogs over and use it exclusively by posting via Gmail. I do wish that it would allow themes similar to Tumblr.
- Lee Hebert
How can you email a file of more than 25 MB to your posterous blog? One tip I need to know.
- Amani
Is there an email address for Friendfeed? friendfeed@posterous.com doesn't work.
- Ben Hanten
I adore Posterous and see it literally as a blank slate with many options. If you look at many of the amazing ways others are using it, you realize it is the tip of the iceberg.
- Liza + = ?
A lot of people think so ! Great tool !
- Desirade
twitter is hung after loading the home page, while trying to log in.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
I remember, my first Internet connection was a shell-based account, only option was Lynx, way back in 1992, I think, maybe earlier
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
How does it handle FriendFeed's real-time feed? ;)
- Jemm
Friendfeed did not login - "bad html - use -trace to diagnose"
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
The New York Times loaded very fast, and pages are well-formatted, the story text is visible in a few lines, with minimal scrolling needed
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Google Reader loaded after a bunch of errors, but gives JavaScript problems and recommends something called "ARIA enhanced Google Reader" - no feeds displayed
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Thanks for the link. I will add it to my wish list on Amazon and check the delivery status with an online bookstore in Sweden called Adlibris.
- Martin Lindeskog
"...an atheist group takes out an ad on city buses and the city takes the ad down and claims it's offensive. [...] The only thing the ad does is say that atheists exist."
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
Why? I can't understand how it's ok to have signs about Christians or whatever... (religious signs) and not for the other side of the coin. Just doesn't make sense. :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: That's the point. We're saying it shouldn't have been taken down. There's no good reason. Calling it offensive is an excuse - and if it is offensive, that's their problem (and a serious one if you find simple _facts_ to be offensive). And if you want to start outlawing facts then that's a whole other can of worms... Beyond the facts it's a simple inoffensive message to atheists.
- Tanath
ah I see... OK.. we have seen a similar thing here in the UK, they were on the side of a bus. They were stopped too.. that is wrong to me.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Everyone should have the right to openly express there opinion in a 'free' society but there do need to be agreed standards or we no longer remain civilised.
- Kevin J Hatton
There are very reasonable & generally rational Christians... just not when it comes to things like faith.
- Tanath
I have my beliefs. You have yours. I don't try to ram mine down your throat, and I'll thank you for not trying to do that with yours. If you feel a need to go to church four times every Sunday, and a few times during the week too, that's fine, but I don't care, or want to know every time you do.
- Ian May
Ian: There is merit to "live and let live," but on the other hand beliefs matter. Actions are informed by beliefs, and people try to influence public policy according to their beliefs - so debate is important.
- Tanath
Ian, neither a post on a public forum nor an ad on a bus counts as ramming beliefs down someone's throat...
- Mark
There certainly does need to be equal time on this subject. If the free speech of atheists bothers the religious, why don't the religious have the reaction that, perhaps, their public displays of love for their God might be offensive to the atheists? I personally don't care if someone believes in God or not - I'd just like the entire discussion removed from the public square. (And I'll bet, even having said this, you can't determine whether I am religious or not myself.)
- Ciaoenrico
I choose to believe you're kidding Mr. John Hardy :) (You brought a smile to my face in either case.)
- Eivind
The British comedian Dave Allen said it best: "Go, and may your god go with you." Live your life, keep your side of the street clean, and if I like what I see I will ask you about your faith/philosophy. Attraction, not promotion. Don't trivialize your god/spirit/higher power/whatever by turning him/her/it into a commodity.
- Daniel Fath
Tanath, I've found that many people, even when actual facts are put right in front of them, tend to still believe in what they want to. I'm thinking more of political beliefs rather than religious ones here. What I'm really meaning by my previous statement is that I don't appreciate you (the general you) trying to force me to do what you want to do, when I don't want to. Mark, I wasn't particularly meaning the forum post or the ad, although, the latter could certainly be rather 'in your face' I guess.
- Ian May
Apparently, the offended in this Iowa town haven't heard that there's no such thing as bad publicity. C'mon, believers. You have a bus sign publicizing your eternal purpose, and you get it pulled down? How about reaching out to the atheist group as "free-thinking" believers? Even Paul spoke to locals on their own terms. He didn't demand their pagan signage removed, he quoted their signage in his sermon! (Acts 17:23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...)
- Joel Zehring
Yeah, that's what America needs, another Paul. :/
- Edward Zwart
Censoring atheism is religious prosecution since atheism is itself a religion. People have also forgotten that Jefferson, Franklin and co. were Masons and theists, not exactly fundamentalists. The country was founded by men who were largely atheists and freethinkers. The rabid style of fundamentalism first appeared as a product of the immediate post Civil War years. Jacksonian democracy...
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- Carl Gruber
The country wasn't "founded"..it was stolen... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, sadly, you could say that about a lot of countries in one way or another.
- mikepk
@Ian But isn't all of politics exactly that, us trying to convince (reason with) each other about our beliefs. It's just that when ideology or religion gets in the way that it sounds like forcing. Strong beliefs loosely held still need to be hashed out. The trouble for some points of view is that they don't stand up well to reason. And then statements like the one's in this ad can be perceived as threatening or in your face, when in fact they couldn't be more innocuous.
- Edward Zwart
Yeah you could do... so people shouldn't say they were "founded".. cos that's a lie... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Carl: atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour.
- Tanath
Danny Minnick: I just said in my last comment before yours why people should care. To repeat: "There is merit to 'live and let live,' but on the other hand beliefs matter. Actions are informed by beliefs, and people try to influence public policy according to their beliefs - so debate is important."
- Tanath
Tanath... so are you saying I am WRONG to NOT be religious?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: What? o.O Did I miss something, LOL? I wouldn't be saying that, I'm an atheist myself.
- Tanath
ok... lol. :o) god told me to ask... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is that so? Can you ask him something useful, like how to resolve the conflict between quantum theory & relativity for me? :P
- Tanath
Thanks for the fave, Robert. Svartling passed it onto me.
- Kol Tregaskes
I still thinks that Posterous has the potential to take over some of Friendfeeds features. They have great developers too! The comment system is really great.
- Svartling
Lol... Facebook is not again profitable and has to prove it yet, Google has succeeded its EPO and has 10 billions cash in reserve, plus Google is 70% R&D and the greatest computer capacity in the world. Sorry guy, but you cannot compare both.
- Thierry Lhôte
If I'm not mistaken facebook has an annual revenue of somewhere between 300-500 million dollars. Though this is all hearsay, I'm confident they're making money. And the challenging google is based on facebooks attempt to get into the real-time search game with the friendfeed acquisition. Google has nothing on this front at the moment.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
from iPhone
Sorry guy but you don't read the last news, google has made an improved version of his search engine and it can be tested on line. It IS real-time. Secondly, Facebook loses money, that is why they were occupied all the year of 2008, and they cannot go for an EPO at the moment. Just read the news http://mashable.com/2009...
- Thierry Lhôte
I actually read the news and tried out the new engine for myself, maybe not as carefully or rigorously as you. I think by the time google comes around to releasing this new search engine, facebook will have gained on it by using it's friendfeed expertise. I also I'm using Bing as my default search engine at the moment and find them to be the ones moving into real-time the fastest, though I am sure google has something up there sleeves.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
from iPhone
The engine is ready, http://www2.sandbox.google.com/ and you have already real-time search results in the actual Google, the only adjustment is how you integrate these results with regular search results which is ar more interesting and complex to achieve, Secondly I have yet to see real-time search results on Bing, so how can you find Bing better. If you have ever made some SEO work you could not possibly tell this. And do not tell me that MS or Facebook computer capacity surpass Google's. Please...
- Thierry Lhôte
And find me an article where Facebook anounces that it makes profit. Not EBITDA profit, real sensible profit and no losses
- Thierry Lhôte
I am unable to unfortunately access that page on my iPhone as Google keeps putting a /m behind the URL. I will once more try the new engine from Google tomorrow and look for the real time results. I mentioned Bing in the sense that it is the first and only engine at the moment that integrates Twitter very conveniently into searches. Though only the best are shown right now, I can't...
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- Rahul Krishnakumar
from iPhone
integrating Twitter in the search results is a design decision for Google, not to mess the pages of their regular search. yet you have the home pages of Twitter. Real time exists now in Google search results. And how can Google put a /m on your adress bar ? do you now http protocol ? better ask first Apple what they have sold you.
- Thierry Lhôte
I'm extremely satisfied with my iPhone thank you very much and I'm in no rush to go see the new search engine. Therefore I need not question what apple has sold me. http://www2.sandbox.google.com/m is the URL I keep getting when clicking on your link, likely because google has a useragent string checking the browser from which I am coming. The moment it realizes I am coming from...
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- Rahul Krishnakumar
from iPhone
So are you saying that Facebook is to charge for this service now that they have bought it ?
- Peter Nielsen
Thierry, are you on something? Please relax.
- ilterocktive
Thank You ilter. Apparently I wasn't the only one who saw emotions flying around.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
from iPhone
you mean this is out of date already?
- Lindy Asimus
It was out of date immediately. But if there is interest from the community and others, I can bring it up to date. (There are many pieces which still are valid, but FriendFeed innovates quickly)
- Louis Gray
I do. On first glance, in its current form, it looks exactly like what could actually be the catalyst for me to actually use FriendFeed. Updated, would probably seal the deal.... Now I just need to find the time to read it thoroughly. Hmmm...
- Joel Strellner
I notice a lot of people I know on Twitter and other networks not yet on Friendfeed. This is a very handy document. Update would be very good.
- Lindy Asimus
Twitter is getting so popular in these day but i think most people dunno about the advantages of friendfeed. For me it's Twitter 2.0 and i think you would help a lot of users with it. I also believe in the power of free, even though i would definitely pay for it. Like Joel Strellner said, seal the deal and make more people understand friendfeed.
- Sascha Pallenberg
FF is powerful, major adoption is yet to come!
- Jonathan Fleming
Louis: looks like a really valuable FF guide, well worth a small fee (like an iphone app), say $1.99
- Geer
great piece of work Life's Good with Louis Gray
- Thomas Power
This is great! I'll pay $5 for the updated version, but you might be able to sell twice as much copies by making it $2.
- Masatake E. Hori
Masatake E. Hori - Twice as many sales at $2, or half the sales at $5; I vote for half as many sales at $5, He'd make more money for less hassle. ;-)
- Joel Strellner
50% price cut would probably result in a lot higher sales than twice as many. Check out Jeff Atwood's blog article about price points. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog... - "50% sale = 320% increase in sales"
- travispuk
There is still going to be a certain portion of purchases from the current FF community, even if it is just to show support for this type of work and Louis. Same reason why FF'ers purchase FF t-shirts etc.
- travispuk
thanks ! But 62 pages of how to just show that FF is not enough #easysimple
- Jacopo Gio
Thanks, this helps. Just coming out of the sitting up stage, making some tentative attempts at crawling: As a new user, I would not have read this if I had been asked for hard payment. In the economy of social media don't you 'pay' with the wisdom-value of your comments and by allowing yourself to be a number on a friend-list?
- Sally Relton Shakespeare
Think of an affiliate plan so that current users can make it available to those not using FF already? Some may be teaching social media to non-onliners.
- Lindy Asimus
Louis - Great job. I'm a huge FF fan and still am finding some very cool tips on how to utilize it. Thanks!
- John: @johnhaydon
I was going to ask when you were going to release this. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds cool. If your trying to get people to adopt and see how cool FF is then it should be free.
- Dusty Edenfield
from iPod
Well ... there goes another book I don't have to finish :) It's a start Louis and much needed.
- Charlie Anzman
Absolutly! And with that kinda quality... $5 is cheap!
- JR
from iPhone
Wow, great stuff. I didn't know if its existence before. Rather than updating this all by yourself, wouldn't it be better to turn this into a community-maintained wiki?
- Meryn Stol
Louis: its a very good source thanks. Do you think it makes sense to make this guide like a FriendFeed Wiki so anyone can contribute and changes adopted easily ? Or its not worth it ?
- Jacque
Quick comments: I worked on this at the beginning of the year and would have issued it much earlier, had the planned site revamp not been coming. Part of the reason for its length is that I wanted to be comprehensive, I tend to write a lot, and I included tons of screenshots. Also - the intended audience is not necessarily us, but those who know of FriendFeed, but need a boost.
- Louis Gray
Guidance I received while making this earlier this year was to not give it away for free, and I understand the opportunity for some premium content. As this is antiquated, there is no harm in having it out there for free, but I would make the next one very inexpensive so it gets in the most hands as possible. (Based on this response, I think you guys see value in revamping?)
- Louis Gray
Jacque, if anybody else wants to start a how-to Wiki for FriendFeed, that's great, but I still think you need resource guides that are easily consumable.
- Louis Gray
Louis, first off, I love the drewscancer shirt. Second I think you should update it. I wouldn't charge more than $5 but you could also ask for donations. Just an idea. Great book though.
- Seth Goldstein
I would not buy it but I would download this one and read comments on the new one 8)
- Ru Viljoen
Yes Louis we do need a much more detailed version even though this edition is excellent. If FF is Twitter 2.0 which I agree it is then few people (100k max worldwide) have even realised this yet. Linkedin and Facebook are fading away into general background noise like Yellow Pages. You know it's there but so what.
- Thomas Power
Only half way through it and already found some very useful tips.
- Silver Hage
DEFINITELY YES! I would buy it! I have been on FF awhile and I still am not using it productively - same with LazyFeed- I love both of them but forget them. I have a Seesmic Desktop App - can we talk Loic into adding FF to it? that way it is in my face!
- Robyn Hawk
I now understand how to use the hide functionality better thx.
- Ru Viljoen
I was wondering about this project, Louis :) I think there is value in updating it some and offering it at a very reasonable cost for those who plan a foray into FF - haven't seen much else out there in way of explaining the tool, etc.
- Valeria Maltoni
Are you trying to prove Scoble's point? Why does FriendFeed need a 61 page manual?! :P
- Tim Hoeck
This could be done in 6 pages. But it can be done better, with screenshots, in 60.
- Louis Gray
Make sure Scoble is happy with the UI instructions. :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Roberto, I am not too concerned about Scoble being frustrated today. He is making a point and FriendFeed has a good track record of listening. They have an interesting issue where their product has many different functionalities in a world when people are used to not having choices.
- Louis Gray
Robert also knows that by complaining, it gives naysayers a good reason or excuse for why they are not here. It's not an issue with PR but picking your battles and stage.
- Louis Gray
Fantastic. There are tons of hidden gems in Friendfeed that most people don't know about. If they did, they'd be hooked for life. I do like Meryn's suggestion to make a wiki type section like this.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
Louis - why not a video - better than a PDF.
- Liza + = ?
I wouldn't be able to pay but I support the update wholeheartedly.
- Fikisha
from iPod
I was considering writing my own book, very complete & thorough, taking people from total newbie to power user, and including enough info that even current power users might get something from it. I had also planned on releasing it for free, CC-BY-NC-SA
- April
Louis - Think book (you read that right) targeting NEW users if you wish to profit from this (with free online updates as things change). Most people still won't pay for an e-book .... and there's still plenty of (smart) people roaming Borders, B&N etc (and the online book stores, not exclusive of Amazon). That was my target, just got real busy here with other stuff.
- Charlie Anzman
Great work! I have sent a small payment via PayPal. Please inform when you are ready with the updated version and I will send you some more money. All the Best, Martin.
- Martin Lindeskog
"Ever since the new Firefox 3.5 came out about a month ago, I’ve been using it as my main browser. Generally I am very happy with it. Pages load a lot faster than they did before, the plus-sign feature in tabs which launches a new one is a godsend, and I am very excited about the prospects for all of the open video technologies built into it. But there is one persistent bug that might push me to another browser: it keeps crashing on me." Knowledge: http://kb.clipotech.com/chrome
- Svartling
from Bookmarklet
Right now I'm using Safari 4 because both Firefox and Flock are misbehaving on me (Flock isn't even based on Firefox 3.5) and Chrome has problems of its own, though much fewer than Firefox/Flock, much less IE. I'm using WinXP SP3. Chrome and Safari use WebKit, which however has some trouble displaying my blogs...
- Dennis Jernberg
Feedly are working on a Chrome version too. That could be really cool :)
- Svartling
Dennis: What problems do you have with Chrome?
- Svartling
Two, mainly. Occasionally Chrome makes certain links disappear, and I have to go into, say, IE to click them. The other, more annoying problem is Chrome's tendency (at least in the current version) to turn a tab into a new window when I merely click it. Those are the main ones. They could simply be bugs in the current version. But Chrome's still my default browser.
- Dennis Jernberg
Ok. I don't have the problems with links that you have. Making new windows from tabs can be irritating for me too sometimes, but you can always drag the window back to chrome as a tab again. Just as easy as to drag it out :)
- Svartling
Oh, I do drag runaway tabs back. But if you don't have the link problem, you may have a later version of Chrome than mine (2.0.172.39).
- Dennis Jernberg
Firefox crashes on me all the time. I'm pretty sure it's a plugin issue... That and too many tabs running Flash. Or too many open windows, lots of tabs, and the wrong plugin. I had downgraded back to FF 2.x about 6 months ago but... I'm back to running the current version. I run FF in OS X, Linux, and XP.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Yes I use the developer version 3.0.197.11 - No problems at all. Why don't you use the latest versions?
- Svartling
I've just upgraded. But apparently Chrome wants me to close Safari first; maybe it interprets Safari windows as Chrome ones because both use WebKit?
- Dennis Jernberg
Go to Chrome settings and choose Chrome as your default browser. Then you should not have this problem (I think).
- Svartling
from email
Oh, I miss-read your comment, yeah it's probably because they both use webkit.
- Svartling
from iPhone
I know about that. Is there a way to automatically add those that aren't already here?
- Sam Grover
Calling FriendFeed a twitter client is a bit inaccurate. It can post to twitter and you can read people's toots and reply, but you can't do many of the things that an actual Twitter client (star messages, send and receive DMs, follow/unfollow easily, etc.) I'm not complaining because I don't want FriendFeed to be a full-blown Twitter client- just saying :)
- Brett Kelly
In all fairness FriendFeed has made it as simple as pie for people on Twitter to easily sign in/up with Twitter OAUTH. I just think my Twitter network are brave enough to make new friends :-P
- CannonGod
Yea, since FriendFeed has the twitter firehose, I would like to have a simple way to add all the people I'm following. That may still not work for protected twitter feeds.
- Sam Grover
That's the truth. I admit, I certainly don't. But I don't see it as Twitter client.
- nicky jameson
No way to add someone's twitter if it is a protected feed. That's where imaginary friend fails.
- Nick B.
Add your account or a list to this search ( http://friendfeed.com/search... )and the pop out makes a GREAT twitter app. I have a list called Twitter that I made of people I want to keep up with.
- Sullivan
Where could I read more about Groups? Did they call it "room" in the past? Best practices and cases? Could it be used as a customer forum and member place?
- Martin Lindeskog
I totally agree scoble! i dont use tweetdeck or seesmic as my twitter client.. i use friendfeed! i read most tweets on twitter from my friendfeed page.. the lists of users here are the best!
- Jason Pollock
Enough already, Rob! You've sold me on FriendFeed!
- Thomas Ward
I hardly visit Twitter anymore - I just sync up my followers every couple of weeks
- Anthony Feint
I like that it has more than 140 character, comments and easy importation of fb and twitter friends.
- momonalona
I do just about everything in friendfeed now. I still use twitter, but I don’t watch it anymore. I still need to implement lists here. I could use some advice on the best way to go about it. I just want the time I spend here to me more productive than it is right now. I’m hoping a little organization will help with it.
- Michael Fidler
@sebastian - create imaginary friend - "starsparkle". Then add the twitter account starsparkle to it = "we could not find the give account". RSS feed is available but password protected - suggestions welcome!
- Nick B.
I need serious help with FF. For an idiot like me this isn't so intuitive really. Help section is nice but I need someone to hold my hand ..bleeech. Don't get me wrong I am sorry I was reluctant to try FF before
- cheapsuits
I blame Scoble. It's always his fault :-)
- Keith Barrett
but how am I going to tell the world I need a cup of tea???? nooooooo
- Rachel Clarke
Giorgio - I'm seeing some activity through the Twitter API, too (that's what TweetDeck uses, I believe); not a lot, but some
- Robert J Taylor
I thought it was just my connection. ;-) I'm also having problems with Facebook today.
- Timothy Federwitz
yeah, it seems the web interface is down but the api is working..
- Giorgio
I think the social media experts are going to spend the next hour talking about Twitter being down
- Keith Barrett
Scoble's followers where the glue keeping Twitter together! now that he's 'pulled the pin' and released them all, Twitter has fallen down and can't get up.
- MikeAmundsen
I'm so lost this morning without my cup-o-Twitter
- frank barry
They'll comment on it, much like I just did.
- Marlin Forbes
Yiorgas: read a book for a change? I do that anyway, but only about 10/month. need more twitter time to balance it out
- Rachel Clarke
Facebook is copying twitter too closely...even to going down at the same time
- Robert Littlejohn
Does Twitter have what it takes to be a big player? We've been working with their API on a project and every time there is something out of whack. Anyone else have the same issues?
- Chris Nadeau
twitter is really down, I think twitter itself should have a site that tweets when it's down :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
They will use FF to inform their friend that twitter is down
- Didier Girard
They will all sit in their chair and stare at their monitor!
- Gabe Diaz
@Dani, who knows... the might merge or something... explain the strange twitter is pulling fb down 2..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Did Scoble bring Twitter and FB down as he unfollowed everyone ? winks -)
- Del_
This is very interesting that it is impacting more than one social network ... can't even speculate what the cause is yet. Not getting much work done today I'm afraid, going to be following these conversations..
- Joe Magennis
I haven't been on twitter for days. I guess I picked the wrong morning to jump back in.
- Jeff Stannard
Robert: The most important question>> How many new sign-ups for FF today?
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
GUILTY ! I have had a FF account for awhile just never used it--
- cheapsuits
What the celebrities like you do. Talk about it on Twitter.
- Tad Chef
This actually made me laugh out loud, because I was thinking the same thing!
- Dan
Could this mean that CNBC was right??? Nooooooooooo!
- travispuk
I was planning to unfollow a bunch of followers due to Twitter's follow limit rule kicking in at the ~#2000 user level. I have to wait with that then... ;)
- Martin Lindeskog
I feel like we are all stranded on a tropical Island together
- Jeff Wiant
was afraid for a moment that out IT blocked all social networks or something horrible like that. Thank god FF came back up quickly. This might have gotten me to use FF more. I often neglect it.
- Ryan Cummins
Wondered why tweetdeck wasn't loading anything. actually got some programming work done. lol
- Justin Long
twits will move, but only until twitter is back online, then there will be a mass exodus. Remember during all of the 2007/2008 fail whales users still flocked back to it regardless.
- travispuk
Twitter, Facebook, now Posterous... 4chan organize an attack or something?
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
took inordinate amount of time to get into ff today as well
- A Zmaj
Hmmm DoS attack...someone wanting a ransom from Twitter?
- Mike Gargano
Guess they'll have to either pick up the phone or do some work :)
- Graham Bunting
Can someone with 94k followers really mock the the celebs and experts devoid of Twitter?
- Augie Ray
Hey, no bogus follow messages in my inbox for a while! ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Facebook is giving up the ol', "Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/inline_comments.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet" message now.
- 3Cinteractive®, L.L.C.
from twhirl
I think this is bigger than Twitter and FB... I think it's some interweb routes or something. I had a VoIP call going with a party local to me and two across the country and I lost the two across the country, but maintained the local party. And others are commenting on other sites showing signs of outages.
- Timothy Federwitz
from Alert Thingy
The real bummer for me is, now I actually have to listen to the radio to get the word of the day!
- Travis Owen
is twitter connected with FB or Friendfeed? I am having page errors with both, Ajax issues with FB intermittently , I am no tech geek so I have no clue whats up and come here to learn
- lisa coultrup
Maybe Ev's interview on the BBC last night didn't go down well with the Iranians!
- Andrew
from iPod
Ev coming onto the BBC last night and saying that they were asked by the US Goverment to keep Twitter up and running during the Iranian protests cannot have gone down well in Tehran!
- Andrew
from iPod
DoS on large portions of the internet. Is this 4Chan... Chinese... N. Korea... durkadurkastan...
- Ryan Cummins
now having trouble getting to Friendfeed
- Justin Long
look, few days ago Clinton back home with two imprisoned american journalists from North Korea and today Korea is attacking twitter? it is revenge)))
- obolonskyi
maybe Robert's great unFollowing crashed the servers... no loss! Go FF
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
As I said, I predict a baby-boom in 9 months... wait and see!
- Jordi Soler
SEO Experts can analyze their charts, celebrities and wannabe's can entertain us with video (maybe some cool Twitter Whore like stuff) , and social media experts can quickly become Fail Whale Experts.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
@Lee Provost don't you thing you're going to be a little apocaliptic ? :-)
- Filippo Ronco
Twitter downing has to be a lesson for all of us. if sometimes gmail or even google will be down. what we all are going to do in that situation???
- obolonskyi
@Filippo i've been suprised many times that reality is often more wacked up than the conspiracy theories of geeks :-p
- Lee Provoost
I'm hoping the social media experts go away and do something useful.
- Parvez Halim
@Jordi LOL, considering that there are a vast amount of single male computer geeks out there in the twitter community, baby boom effect might be negligible :-D
- Lee Provoost
what is bad here? here doesnt exist reply button =(
- obolonskyi
@Lee single male computer geeks - LOL))
- obolonskyi
Read post on 100k unfollow - I love how people are commenting and blaming Twitter being down on that! lol
- Helene
AAANND.. it's back. At least for a moment I guess..
- Alex Schleber
AAANND it's GONE! ..Again. At least I managed to send out a quick FriendFeed SOS, as in: "Still think you shouldn't have all of your favorite tweeps in a "backup system" on FriendFeed? Join here: www.friendfeed.com/alexschleber "
- Alex Schleber
Either collapse or back to use their phones in voice only mode, do some shopping, get eye to eye contact ... Blame god, and then. Give a serious try on FF ;p
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
They will still be able to Tweet to themselves - not sure if they will realize it is down until it comes back up.
- Phil Harrison
What will the blackhat SEO experts, the SM spammers, and the social media experts do during a widespread outage? The answer is obvious: While sitting out the crisis they're fine-tuning their methodology. Seriously, your question offends me. There's a gazillion of SEO experts out there who do not abuse social media.
- Sebastian
Sebastian there can't be a gazillion SEO experts! What's 10,000 keywords times 20?? (and that's being generous!)
- Arleen Boyd
Would a social media expert consider it to be a crisis? If they rely so heavily on just one or two tools that it's enough to throw them into a tizzy, their expert status would seem to me to be ... questionable, at best.
- Gord McLeod
Arleen, 10,000 keyword phrases times 20 is a tiny fraction of the search terms that are worth optimizing for. Think of the long tail. Also, consider lots of webmasters and even publishers / site owners / bloggers / Web developers ... SEO experts who are able to optimize their stuff quite successfully but don't sell or publish their expertise. Many of them, and even many SEO consultants, do make sensible use of social media, as plain users.
- Sebastian
Gord, in a social media spammer's book 2 hours of outage, IOW 2 hours w/o sales from sneakily distributed links to questionable sales pitches, can sum up to way more than a good day's beer money. ;) However, "crisis" might be a term too strong for this potential loss.
- Sebastian
You must be dying of laughter now Robert!
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen: yes, reading this is fun. Sebastien SEO types are so easy to wind up. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Gotta love it... @RobCairns says "come to Friend Feed? Not" and then his page shows ONE POST from Twitter in the past 18 hours! And that one talks about how Twitter seems to be slowing down again! (Sorry Rob, but that's just too good to let pass!)
- Mark J
Robert, admit it, you broke Twitter by massively unfollowing people. The DDoS attack reports have just been a ruse to cover up the fact that you were the backbone of Twitter all this time.
- Louis Trapani
Keep running into the wall a few times then find alternate outlets such as ff, linkedIn, etc...
- Kirsten Mitchell
from iPhone
Looks like the devious plan to move everyone to FF is working well. LOL :)
- Geer
Ha! The whole Facebook Twitter slowdown may have been just people clicking on spam (not a DDoS botnet). How funny! Manual DDoS. See Bill Woodcock's theory at CNet, AP, SF Gate, and The Register http://ff.im/6gLmO
- Mitchell Tsai
There you go again implying the only ones that use twitter is SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts - This is definitely SPIN. Perhaps you should join CNN also LOL
- RetiredTeacherD
Ironic, given your status as a celebrity social media expert who constantly spams about bots... :-P
- David Kettler
Now they'll have time to shower and do their laundry!
- momonalona
Businessweek has a good story on Twitter DDOS. Mabe I like it because every company named is included in Twitterville. http://www.businessweek.com/technol...
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- travispuk
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
You don't have to follow me on Twitter. I think the FriendFeed party palace is mighty fine.
- Josette
from fftogo
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Christopher Harper
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- Yan PHUN
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Mr Scoble, I'm with you (but on a smaller scale) I unfollowed about 150 users on Friday, felt good! I pretty much hang out in FF now at my home page and my groups
- Lee
from iPod
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- travispuk
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: there is a lot of data portability in what I saw, yes.
- Robert Scoble
i think Data Portability is the future :D </obvious statement>
- Chris Saad
Dj: it is going to be interesting to see how this changes people's approach to blogging and Tumblr/Posterous.
- Robert Scoble
Dj: it is going to be very interesting to talk with Steve Rubel on Friday afternoon after the demo.
- Robert Scoble
it's the first ever virtual blogging tool - you just imagine your posts and they appear!
- Allen Stern
Allen: I imagine that you appear and you do, how do you do that? :-)
- Robert Scoble
oh i just bought guy's package - i have hired a team of allen's - for example, i am the evening shift allen (allen2.1 internally) - the night allen arrives at 11pm (allen 4.2 internally)
- Allen Stern
Am I that far behind? Why is blogging dead, and by real time you are talking about more than live stream video?
- ASKJDOG
Hmmm. Sounds like FF benefits from this.
- Nick in Manila
Nick: FriendFeed might benefit, yes. JDOG: we are talking about real time text. Just like here.
- Robert Scoble
miiko - sometimes we all need to smile, that's my job as Allen2.1
- Allen Stern
Allen: personally I like the morning shift better. Since I'm in London I'll go to sleep now and wait for him to show up.
- Robert Scoble
Got it: real time text stream = "blog." Blogging is dead; long live blogging!!
- Tom Guarriello
remember when techCrunch said they were gonna break embargoes... you should, too
- Marco
aah still in london! get off ff and have some fun
- Allen Stern
Allen: I was off FriendFeed all day!
- Robert Scoble
How can you bring something back that isn't gone. Have you seen the WordPress growth numbers? They have been very consistent and very impressive for many, many months.
- Christopher Harper
Missionary: well, I have definitely left a lot of my blogging due to real time interactions like these, but I don't have page views to worry about.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I don't know about video, but I'm sure that the second this gets announced it will be discussed on FriendFeed to death.
- Robert Scoble
miiko - be nice or i get out the voodoo doll!
- Allen Stern
Thanks Robert. I'm starting to "get it" just thinking how to implement this in my niche
- ASKJDOG
I just add a lot of this other stuff to the blogging I'm already doing. Most savvy bloggers are doing the same thing. They sort of all fit together in my world.
- Christopher Harper
somehow this feels like a test of the "tc50 and demo broadcast system" - im sure we will see more of these "oh hot damn i just saw x but i cant talk about it until y" posts come sept.
- Allen Stern
Allen, why do companies talk to people about products and then tell them they must tell no one about it? I mean, since no one can talk about it, no extra excitement is generated? I don't really get it
- Mark
@Allen, to give the individual an opportunity to form an opinion and write a well thought out article when the service launches.
- Darren
Mark, tomorrow's event will be streamed live. Hopefully it all goes smoothly.
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
Mark - embargoes give writers a chance to test and play before the tool goes live - so the posts should be better than just press release copy - i rarely ever mention a product before it goes live - scoble likes to build excitement about what he sees. i just wish that more companies learned that excluisves are bad for startups
- Allen Stern
Mark: PR people tell me they use embargoes so that they can brief a large number of people without pissing anyone off. If I wrote about this stealth company tonight, for instance, lots of other journalists would get pissed off at the company. Some, like TechCrunch, even refuse to write about companies if they aren't given equal access. It also, like Allen says, gives writers a chance to produce videos and test out products so they can write more authoritatively about them.
- Robert Scoble
So its largely to stop competing blogs, sites etc from complaining that Site X got earlier access than Site Y for example?
- Mark
Robert/Allen, well said. Mark, in theory, yes. But it doesn't always work out that way.
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
So what was all the fuss Arrington was making last year about embargoes? Didn't he say he would violate every single one?
- Mark
Mark: Arrington just said he reserves the right to break embargoes when he wants. Usually if the company deals with him straight up he'll agree to the embargo. What I hate are companies that give some people special deals. Apple does this all the time, which is why I never go to Apple press conferences anymore.
- Robert Scoble
a good example of poor choices are YC startups - they go to tc/sent to tc/etc and miss so many more opportunities for coverage - works well for TC tho - they always get a HN frontpage.
- Allen Stern
So I wonder what this would mean for newspapers.
- Michael
from iPhone
Can't wait to hear more. I hope it's a tool to make it easy to aggregate content into blog posts -- that's what I've been wishing for lately. Sometimes I have up to ten browser tabs open to pull in all the urls, images, videos and quotes I want to include in a new blog post.
- Andy Kaplan-Myrth
It will be interesting to see what it is. Maybe my guest bloggers will cover the story. I am on a worklife summer break! Blogger since '02.
- Martin Lindeskog
Robert Blogging has never gone away! Not in my book.
- Technogran
Scoble, are you referring to LazyFeed ?
- Ahsan Ali
We here at Posterous are looking forward to the announcement. Innovation is always great -- can't wait to see what's going down on Friday.
- Garry Tan
I really don't like being forced to spam my tweetstream just to sign in for an Echo invite. I won't do it. Bad bad practice, guys. But fascinating service concept.
- Nick in Manila
I understand scoble's statement now. I was all ready to shift 97% of my publishing off my blog and onto platforms like FriendFeed till I just saw how Echo and the new Disqus features are enhancing the conversation on the blog. It's dragging me back.
- Nick in Manila
Glad to hear you will be blogging more Nick - FriendFeed and other services are fantastic for virality and discussions with your friends - We feel that Echo makes those services even MORE relevant while putting your blog back in the picture.
- Chris Saad
Chris - interesting. This certainly isn't an either/or thing. Well, not any longer. Heh.
- Nick in Manila
It rarely is :) Communication systems rarely go away - they only find their place
- Chris Saad
Attached is a Microsoft Excel document with all the highlighted "Ten to Follow" FriendFeed accounts since July of 2008, started by Mike Fruchter. Enjoy. (More than 100)
Awesome. Thank you so much for putting them into 1 list. That's a huge help.
- Keith - @tsudo
I second that motion concerning Mike Fruchter, Louis Gray :)
- J. D. Ebberly
J.D., considering Mike highlighted me in the first one, and then I took over, I never highlighted him back. That would make sense, wouldn't it? And Keith, yes, it helps me too. Turns out on 3 separate occasions, I have highlighted people Mike did already. Now, this won't happen again.
- Louis Gray
+1 for clickable urls ... Display works great on the iPhone, but adding new people is a bit more tricky.
- Jonathan Greene
from iPhone
I edited the doc to indicate that Rick Bucich and Michael Fidler are no longer active in FF at those addresses. I also made the Google Doc public so anyone can edit, but that could lead to abuse. Luis - do you want to assume ownership of the Google doc i created?
- Ric Johnson
Louis - of all the things you do, this is the most important, your 10 to follow on FF has a huge impact, thanks for the spreadsheet.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
awesome way to use the new attachment feature!
- andy brudtkuhl
Great, how about a button that I can press to follow all of these? :)
- Bill Romanos
Bill - see if Ben Golub or Casey Muller can get you that magic button. :)
- Louis Gray
That's it, I'm going to make a badge for my websites "I was recommended by Louis Gray" :)
- Bwana ☠
great idea @bwana! I'd use one of those. er, if I was actually blogging lately ...
- Laura Norvig
ditto @bwana. Thanks Louis for re-mixing the old lists. Was wondering about that recent spike in new FFfriends. :) Once again humbled to be included with such an awesome group of FFolks. Now where's my "I was recommended by LG" button/shirt/sticker? :P
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Cool, just opened an Excel file directly from FriendFeed!
- Mike Reynolds
very kool!!! thanks for sharing the excel document
- (jeff)isageek
5 Mark's in there. More than any other name. Whoo whoo!
- Mark Krynsky
@Bwana - I want that badge on my blog too!! cool idea :)
- Susan Beebe
its so cool to see an excel spreadsheet being shared like this thru friendfeed!
- Jason Pollock
is there virus detection on the attachment upload; not a comment towards Louis as we know him here but I see this coming...
- Lou Paglia
Louis, What should i do to get featured in your List
- Michael_techie
Louis, I love being on the list, but If you could change my URL to http://friendfeed.com/mikerob..., I would appreciate it. I dropped the 1 at the end of my username six months ago. Thanks:) It's wrong on the website as well.
- Michael Fidler
Michael, I don't think I can change the Excel that is already posted, but I can change it on the Web.
- Louis Gray
Något som många glömmer är just möjligheten att skriva ett antal bloggposter på en gång och sedan portionera ut dem under veckan. Självklart handlar det ofta om bloggar som inte bygger på nyheter och aktuella diskussioner - men fr a för företag känns det som ett bra tips och jag brukar föreslå det för mina kunder.
- Niclas Strandh