Rational, Twitter usage is flattening, people are finally figuring out that Twitter sucks for having a conversation. People though Friendfeed was hard to use, try having to install several software 'crutches' to be able to use Twitter productively without even half the functionality as Freindfeed.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Either this is tounge in cheek or Robert really hasn't gotten over our breakup... Robert, I hope we can still be friends but we have to move on and grow... FriendFeed will always love you, but we need some 'us' time to find out who 'we' are... *cues The Bodygaurd soundtrack*... *walks out into the rain, adjusts collar, walks off down the road*... *fade to black, credits*
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Comment bait. Even Robert can't generate interest these days.
- Russellreno
I agree. Friendfeed is for those who need more from a 2d interface. Until there spatial interface is there, Friendfeed is on top of the pyramid (especially when one knows how to use it best).
- Kirill Bolgarov
Lets hope so ... Miss some of my old peeps :)
- Charlie Anzman
I'm surprised Robert made this statement but I find it very interesting in the change of view and wonder what has changed his mind or if he knows more info.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The unpredictably erratic Scobot is at it again...
- Ciro
Well, after glancing at his Twitter timeline, he's just making a bunch of joke predictions. I'd like to think that there's some truth in this one though...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Sniffs... Do you smell that? It's what we used to call a troll. Robert is getting dangerously close to becoming irrelevent.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Robert is waiting until 2010 to respond to this thread. :)
- Louis Gray
Scoble - I disagree ONLY because I think that FriendFeed activity is already migrating to Facebook via deeper integration over there but I'm wiling to hear you out (as are the other 40+ people commenting here). Do share why you think this is true?
- Aaron Strout
I wrote this tweet for Twitter, not for FriendFeed. But nice to see you all! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jason: I'm definitely irrelevant if the people calling me irrelevant don't even have 1,000 subscribers. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I actually see FriendFeed growing instead of slowing and there will also be new enhancements. A testing ground for Facebook. Just to expand, Robert's still the man!
- amarquart
Akiva wins the internets with this mathematical formula for spotting comment bait.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
You think we're fighting, I think we're finally talking! -all in one page
- Tim Jones
Funny, when I write, I write for everyone, everywhere
- Johnny Worthington
@Jason Williams, wow that's the pot calling the kettle black, doncha think? Robert's not a troll.
- Jason Huebel
@Kol, somebody mentioned that those stats often only consider US visitors (why that would be, I don't know). FF's non-US contingent has grown tremendously, so that graph may not show the whole picture.
- Jason Huebel
I'm finding that FriendFeed is fiendishly sticky. On Twitter lists do help, they make twitter better and all but but but-but I think a lot of users are getting more sophisticated in their web usage faster than Twitter can evolve their tech. Louis Grey recently postulated that even if there is no interaction on FriendFeed it makes complete sense to stay riding this horse. That got me...
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- JSLeFanu
Dude..... I totally hope you're right, but not too sure about this! LOL Explain your rationale please :)
- Susan Beebe
i agree with the original prediction. by the way, what's a resurgence? is it different than insurgents? :-)
- Morgan Haley
Morgan - the insurgents never left ... ;-p
- Robyn Hawk
I'll stay one faithful user, for those "outside the US" stats. Still feature plenty, still enjoyable. Still effective. Thanks for rallying the troops again Robert. Bring the hopes, and forget the ropes! 8)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I like this whole thread. ++Akiva, Johnny, JSLeFanu, Jason Heubel, Mike Chelen . . . Robert, Twitter may have geeks and famous people, but you can actually do things here. Oh, wait - I'm not here. I'm in a widget on a blog in someone's Posterous whom I don't even know, that I'm searching through to find FF peeps to subscribe to over here. Now, that's just mind-blowing!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Really? Hmmmm. How will it be useful if it splits up like that? I mean...I get that there is already a split of who and how it's used. Why must they split it to continue on? It seems pointless honestly. Glad you made the prediction. Win win for you, huh? LOL
- Sheryl
I just went to plain ol' seesmic.tv and it's still giving me an error. I am actually a Seesmic member but there were months where I didn't use it and apparently they diversified during that time in a way that makes it hard for me to know where to find the video community I initially signed up for. I can't get it to even display a login field.
- Spidra Webster
I think it's something between Seesmic and me. Suddenly they're not even acknowledging my account exists. I just sent an email to support.
- Spidra Webster
spidra - if it's been since the transition between seesmic.com -> seesmic.tv you will need to clear all of you login cookies and try again. if that still doesn't work poke me and i'll see what's up with your account. (i'm the ops dude for seesmic) - you should still be able to visit this link as an anonymous user to view the video: http://seesmic.tv/video...
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"Since years ago seeing Paris Is Burning, Jennie Livingston's seminal documentary about late '80s ball culture in New York, it has been a dream of mine to attend a ball. Until recently however, they haven't really happened in Toronto, where I am based. This has all changed since the emergence of The House of Monroe, Canada's premiere Vogue house. A few weekends ago, Charmed Monroe threw the Almighty Ball, and I was thrilled to be asked to be one of the judges, though a little fearful at first. Would I be able to gauge the subtleties of the Realness on display? Know the difference between fierce and truly FIERCE? I was grateful to learn that it was a simple matter of a CHOP ("You are beautiful, but get off the stage") or a PERFECT TEN."
- tiffany
from Bookmarklet
The man in the first photo won the "Church Lady Realness" category. I love that there is a Church Lady Realness category at a ball.
- tiffany
"Jazzanova's Of All The Things was a late entry to my 2008 collection and that seems appropriate. 2008 was all about big changes in the last part of the year. Much like the single most significant event of those 365 days, as soon as I was in it, I knew it was right."
- Melissa
from Bookmarklet
"We spent a lot of time brainstorming, voting, arguing and refining our list of The 50 Best Albums of the Decade. But, of course, we got it wrong. Here’s what our readers chose as the 10 Best Albums of the Decade:"
- Michelle Jones
from Bookmarklet
I own all of them but the Radiohead albums.
- Michelle Jones
Hrm... Just how old am I? I don't have either of the Top 10 list. Still paging through the Top 50. It's not looking good.
- ha3rvey (business time)
Just to be clear I meant that I have all from the Readers' Top 10 list. I'm missing a whole lot of the magazines top 50.
- Michelle Jones
I've got 7 of 10. EDIT: And I should probably just cave and buy Kid A considering I like so many of the remixes and covers that followed that album.
- Jason Toney
"While people are busy ranking the hit books of the last 10 years, many a publishing insider is quietly mourning a volume that unnaccountably never made the 'best of' or bestseller lists, but should have. Here publishers, agents and translators speak up for the ones that really shouldn't have got away"
- Michelle Jones
from Bookmarklet
"December 16, 2009 - Did you hear that vinyl records are making a comeback? You should have. For the past several years, that very conceit has been the focus of an endless string of trend pieces. But in case you missed those: CD sales are at an all-time low while vinyl sales, however meager, are back on the rise. Fans young and old are revisiting the once out-of-fashion format for the tangibility, the large-form artwork, the perceived superiority in sound quality and the collectability. Even big-box retailers are lining their inventory with a handful of actual records. But while hipsters and nostalgists are eager to hop on the LP bandwagon, the hip-hop community has been curiously quiet within this revival."
- Melissa
from Bookmarklet
Vinyl will outlast mp3's and love will never die. :D
- Adrian
from Android
This is funny to me given the NYTimes says we're moving into the music cloud. "With its deal this month to buy the Web music service Lala, Apple may be pointing the way to the future of music. In this future, the digital music files on people’s computers could join vinyl records, cassette tapes and CDs in the dusty vault of fading music formats." http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
- Lynne d Johnson
Lynne, vinyl is not part of a "dusty vault of fading music formats"! It's a terminal technology in many ways. Simply put, there is no better way to enjoy an album than vinyl, for a lot of reasons (sound presence and large-form art being chief among them). That's also the reason it's outlasted other upstart and inherently inferior technologies such as 8-track, cassette, and soon cd's and mp3's.
- Adrian
I get sent CDs for the Internet Radio station, but, except for a few CDs I've purchased at local events, I've not been in a record store in well over five years now. I've bought quite a few tracks from Amazon in the last year ( I don't use iTunes).
- Ian May
Thanks Admiral Anika. As a former DJ, I still think the best experience is with Vinyl. I'd never call it a dusty format -- I'm probably older than anyone on here and can still tell you which color an album or record was (especially 12") and what it's cover looked like. That's definitely a NYTimes quote, and not mine. I was saying how funny it is NPR cites a vinyl comeback while the NYT talks about music moving to the cloud.
- Lynne d Johnson
Oh I see that now. Never mind then. At ease ladies.
- Adrian
I think physical media is going to become/remain a niche. The convenience of digital files is too great.
- Kenton
Lynne, both Adrian and I were DJs too, so besides my growing up with 1000s of LPs around, that's why we're both partial to vinyl over other formats. It certainly helps that new releases (not just imports and remixes) are still being pressed.
- Admiral Anika
Agreed, Admiral, and well put Lynn! Group hug? Ok, I think the analogies with books vs ebooks and film vs digital photos remain valid here as well. These things are not equivalent, convenience be damned.
- Adrian
It's funny thought, the Times, a few months back (at least I swear it was the Times) wrote about the upswing in vinyl, so now to go ahead and say it's dead seems odd. It seems that youth, though I don't know what youth, like frequenting shops for the old stuff as well as look for the new singles that come out. I think it's why I get mad at the DJs who turn their back on vinyl for the mp3s. I get the convenience, but...
- Lynne d Johnson
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Yeah, basically. The etsy market is basically overrun by people with warez copies of photoshop who do not value their own work.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
One reason I don't try to 'sell' myself as a designer much anymore is because I got tired of being told variations of "my nephew will do it cheaper / for free".
- Michael R. Bernstein
etsy is like the worst site for graphic designers, if you want to make money it is pretty much impossible. I mean strictly if you are selling services, people who design greeting cards and invitations can still do pretty well. But like logos go for $4-7 each, banners are the same price, it is really ridiculous.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
It's those people who devalue work that make it harder for the rest of us. We have it in our business too. Where people tell their project manager, "My husband/son/nephew knows Photoshop. He'll do it for $90." They go with that person and then 6 mos. later we're asked to fix it. Some of the stuff we've gotten to correct should go on that Photoshop Fail site. It's atrocious. But you get what you pay for.
- Admiral Anika
I was doing a website for someone a long time ago and while I undervalued my work (shame) I still asked for enough money to be able to eat - anyway like 2 weeks before the site was supposed to launch she told me she found someone cheaper and faster to do the it instead and refused to pay for the work I had already done. She ended up coming back a year later asking for my help and I was like, uh hell no.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Craigslist is also bad for this as well, since most of the times the experience they're looking for never matches what they're willing to pay. And if you're a writer? Forget about any kind of monetary compensation. There is some consolation in that you get what you pay for, but it's not much.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
I know, I love CL and their whole like "you'd get experience and exposure for doing it! and also some future paying gigs maybe!"
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Just interviewed for a writing gig where it was no pay and since it was a bunch of writers being pooled together on a project, no real credit either. PASS. Credit is the only thing a beginning writer has to gain exposure.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
The sad thing is that these people seem to have no trouble finding someone willing to work for free or a fraction of the real worth, so ridiculous.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I wish there were a way to conveniently get rid of these people who devalue the work we can do. You know, like...make them disappear for the sake of the economy. :D
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
So, if I want graphic design work done, where should I go and what should I expect to pay? And if there's so many talented graphic designers on FreindFeed, why don't I ever see them asking for my business?
- Christopher Harley
It's not the people undervaluing work that is the problem. It's the people willing to use them that's the issue.
- Alex Scoble
I think it's both - people wouldn't expect a logo to cost $20 if there weren't people out there charging $20 for a logo.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
People who know what a logo costs would never pay $20 for one. The days of Nike getting their logo for $50 are long gone.
- Alex Scoble
I agree Alex. The easy availability of the tools will get a bunch of people to try it (design, photography etc...) The real professionals carve out their niche easy enough with talent.
- SAM
No, it's definitely people starting up businesses that are doomed to fail that are looking for people to make logos using word, people who value design are always willing to pay for it.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
And more people want logos... folks are branding everything these days. With 1,000's of logos being created, quality and price went down significantly. A "real" logo will still cost you.
- SAM
I can make you a logo but it is going to cost you at least $15 and some free coffee.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Now there's the big issue flooding the graphic design market... loads of people trying it, with loads of people thinking they need it (when they really don't which is why they want it for nearly free, it has no value to them.)
- SAM
It's funny how I keep offering free help to people on social media and SEO and nobody ever takes me up on my offer.
- Alex Scoble
Photoshop doesn't make a designer any more than a caprice classic makes a cab driver.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Chris, I'll do it for $8 (Sorry Andrea but I just got a new version of PowerPoint!!!) :)
- SAM
On etsy $45 gets you a complete branding package including website, business cards and a rubber stamp that says "Thank you" in comic sans!
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Chris, I'm not really a designer... I just play one on FriendFeed. If Andrea can help you, that would be awesome. If not, I know of some really good folks ranging from reasonable to exorbitant prices. :)
- SAM
no, I mean I have a bunch of crap on flickr but I am not a pro or anything, but it is what I have gone back to school for now
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I am missing a lot of technical skill in using programs, that is my main problem, other than my complete lack of self worth and overwhelming amounts of performance anxiety
- Andrizzle Gizzle
LOL @ Andrea's etsy comment. A few years back when I had my pricing packages for logo design up on the website, someone came to me with a etsy link similar to that asking me if I could beat it. I said, 'Nope and good luck!'.
- Admiral Anika
Well, I couldn't do any sort of graphic project if I wanted, considering I don't have any programs at the moment. I was just noting that the undervalue that goes on for graphic work is almost parallel to the undervalue that goes on for writers.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
@Alex, in about a month I would love to hear some of your awesome advice :D
- LAST DAY OF WORK
Oh Chris I thought you were being a SMART MOUTH!
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Christopher: If you need some copywriting done then I can do that for you for a reasonable rate. There are designers and writers on FF but mostly people don't seem to like to advertise.
- WorldofHiglet
Thanks, WoH. I wish FFs did advertise. It would make things so much easier.
- Christopher Harley
How refreshing to hear, Christopher! :)
- WorldofHiglet
Um, yeah. I have stuff that I hand out and mail and affix to people's luggage and point them to on the internet and film and record and, um yeah. I'd pay for that stuff, ya know.
- Christopher Harley
So, here's an experience from the other side for perspective. A few months ago I worked with a graphic designer to design a logo for a project I am working on because I was having a creative block. I paid a respectable amount of money (around $1K) for two rounds (4 initial designs and 1 followup/refinement). I filled out a creative brief with a lot of information and our goals and...
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- Lindsay is in 20-ten
I guess the real moral to that story is that since the value of the result is completely unknown (will you like it AT ALL? Will they even come close to your goals with it?), it's hard to justify shelling out a lot of money and take the risk, even on people that you like their other work. Much easier to buy something you know the value of beforehand.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Point taken, Lindsay. "It's a lot easier to gamble with $20 and be disappointed than $1K or more."
- Christopher Harley
Creative work is hard to sell... it just depends on so many subjective factors.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Christopher, what is it you need done? I don't do much graphic design work anymore , but I've got logo design chops in addition to my web development and design skills.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael, I need design work for my taxi business. It's for standard business cards, thank you post cards, and luggage tags. I'm gonna see if I can work something out with Andrea. If not, I'll be in touch. Thanks.
- Christopher Harley
Sure thing, Christopher. If you mostly need print design, I may not be your guy in any case.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I think I need to read this...but I'll do it later. LOL I was so offended when I checked my work email and saw...work email. I was like, "Damn yo! It's December! You want me to do work? Now?"
- Admiral Anika
I think that after 12+ years of schooling we are programmed to think of December as two weeks of work. At least, that's my excuse. =) And this week is known as "party week" so really I'm just thinking of foods to bring and what to wear. Not about silly things like work.
- Admiral Anika
...and I'm going to borrow that excuse :)
- Shevonne
"e. blake hicks /// post-mortem portraits from the ultra-hype hbo series the wire note:: this project is an ongoing way for me to combat cubicle insanity and keep the loving relationship between my pen hand and my wacom tablet wide open. this will be added to just about daily. keep an eye out. double note: as of 8/01/09, you can stop your waiting. i'm done being sick and busy. it's back on. triple note: while i am extremely flattered that so many folks want to give me money to put these on various materials for them, i cannot do this, for fear of legal action on the part of home box office. that said, anybody that knows somebody that knows somebody at hbo, pass it along. i am wide open to any negotiations that might leave me in the green."
- Maria Niles
from Bookmarklet
Still alive? Sorry but this remains to be proved, a post every now and then or a cake are not enough. No announcement of any new feature since Google [edit:Facebook] bought out Friendfeed, if that is not an indication that Friendfeed is quietly [but surely] put aside for a slow death I don't know what is.
- lelapin
@lelapin: 1, Facebook, not Google. 2, no new features != slow death. First of all, community is independent of the evolution of the technology. There are tons of forums out there that haven't added new features in ages but are still highly active. 3, it could be argued that FriendFeed doesn't *need* new features: it's a very complete and functional platform, that does what it does well.
- Louis Simoneau
And, in response to the original post, Hellz Yeah!
- Louis Simoneau
@LouisSimoneau: 1 - thanks for the heads up 2 - cemeteries are extending in size and population still would you take them as example to back up your argument, as 'highly active'? 3 - could be indeed, I would not though since, no matter what sector you're in, no change, no new feature irremediably leads to obsolescence.
- lelapin