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Once Again, The Justice Department Is Confused. Tech Companies Steal Employees From Each Other Every Day. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Why does this surprise anyone? You let the government run your life long enough, they stop being subtle about it.
- Mike Mackley
North Korea Secrets Uncovered In Google Earth by Amateur Spies - http://gizmodo.com/5277184...
I would not want to be a foreigner in N Korea today, but nice job.
- Mike Mackley
Psystar files for Chapter 11, tucks tail between legs - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
Is this good or bad?
- Mike Mackley
Inevitable more like it.
- ianf ⌘
Kindle notes and highlights come to the Internet - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
It just keeps getting better!
- Mike Mackley
Stitcher 2.0, now with 100% more TUAW - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
Well worth a look.
- Mike Mackley
Air-Fueled Battery Holds 10x More Charge than Current Tech - http://gizmodo.com/5262635...
This is what we need now. Money should be spent here, not wasted as it is now.
- Mike Mackley
A look at three new Gameloft iPhone games - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
Apple = Games! Who knew? ;-)
- Mike Mackley
Do-it-yourself WiFi tethering for your DSLR - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Very useful.
- Mike Mackley
Fake DHS License Helps You Get Around Stupid Public Photography Bans - http://gizmodo.com/5256082...
Is this what we really want it to come down to?
- Mike Mackley
Random House Shuts Down Kindle Text-to-Speech For Their Titles - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
Very sad. They do not realize the damage they are doing to themselves.
- Mike Mackley
The New Economic Paradigm: Part 7; Monetization of Knowledge Assets | The Ingenesist Project - http://www.ingenesist.com/general...
Is this what we need?
- Mike Mackley
Sony to finally unveil larger-screen OLED TVs at IFA? - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Can't wait to see these.
- Mike Mackley
This is not how you’re suppose to wardrive - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
Duh! ;-)
- Mike Mackley
The Pirate Bay founders sentenced to prison, website soldiers on - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
He's calmer than I would be.
- Mike Mackley
PogoPlug iPhone app released - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
Curious about how the streaming of movies works.
- Mike Mackley
Autonomous sniper system combines Xbox 360 controller, .338 rifle for deadly drone action - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
The beginning of Sky Net?
- Mike Mackley
Bridgestone's 13-inch color e-paper display handles pen input, has the future written all over it - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Put that in a Kindle and WOW!
- Mike Mackley
Live now: Gillmor Gang with Scoble, Loren Feldman, and others http://live.twit.tv
Preternat (Ken Cadby), franzstehrn, Keith Harrison and 60 other people liked this
Here, too! :-)
- Robert Scoble
i think i'll stay here...
- Chris Heath
We, this is where Leo's folks are going to look. Too bad we've already fragmented it..
- Ken Sheppardson
present and accounted for
- Jesse Stay
This might be better
- Stan Augustyniewicz
Plus Stickam, Ustream, and IRC :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo's watching mine too, but this is better.
- Robert Scoble
So we're here then?
- Aaron
oh hi
- Bwana ☠
I'm watching them all.
- Robert Scoble
This seems like a much more mature environment than the IRC chat
- Jesse Stay
try this link people http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
Yo, Bwana
- Ken Sheppardson
Is this the better room?
- Wo
Do we have the real-time web, yet?
- iluvgimp
Evening all.
- Daniel Rowley
on the phone now....will tune in soon
- Bwana ☠
This real time thing is very cool.
- Wo
Can you reverse order these comments?
- Drew
I'm all over the place too.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Robert your bedroom is the same colors as mine
- Jesse Stay
already there taxi
- Chris Heath
Don't like the UI.
- Stan Augustyniewicz
IRC is so 1996!
- Lasse Johnsen
stan, which ui?
- Chris Heath
I'm loving this. RealTime is great when it comes to ADD.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
*This* is why FriendFeed will succeed, although I still want it more open.
- Jesse Stay
GG is the best use of all of Leo's resources
- iluvgimp
Hello! One Question: Friendfeed Beta + 1 week. Have you all made the switch? I have a hard time switching from the old interface which I find more conversation centric (and makes me feel less in twitter)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
agreed edwin
- Chris Heath
Robert: Can you Like this?
- Ken Sheppardson
Should be either a scrollable window or be able to reverse the order (newest 1st).
- Stan Augustyniewicz
Does anyone else have a problem viewing Google Calender whilst watching through the BitGravity stream? Always appears behind the video, has done for a while now.
- Daniel Rowley
stan, this is still beta (in the true sense)
- Chris Heath
Ken: done.
- Robert Scoble
No Calacanis?
- americanm
also the bitgravity stream in VLC has the wrong aspect ratio.
- Chip Duford
I agree, Stan. Reverse order would make it great.
- Drew
Am I missing something, but why no access to Rooms in FF beta?
- Phil Essing
wished newest comments were at top :/
- Byron McCollum
buffering...
- Lasse Johnsen
chip ... hit A a couple times to cycle thru the aspect ratios that vlc can do
- Chris Heath
I think Tina said they're "Groups" instead of "Rooms" in FF-Beta?
- iluvgimp
Hmmm
- Phil Essing
Robert, I'm glad that you finally decided to switch over to wordpress.org instead of wordpress.com, which did not allow for plug-ins.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
If you click on the timestamp, you'll get an open comment box that stays open at the bottom
- Ken Sheppardson
ken, did you come up with adding the ?embed=1 to the timestamp url to make it nice and clean?
- Chris Heath
The ghost of andrew is here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/andrewk...
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm sure there will be FF spam in the near future...as it gets more popular.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
steve .com allows plugins, just only the ones they approve
- Chris Heath
steve... you just block the spammer
- Chris Heath
tell ustream to go to stickam. better video also and moderated chat
- min
ok
- Bwana ☠
Everyone DM Andrew now so he gets a nice welcome when he comes back
- Jesse Stay
and no ustream ads!
- Phil Essing
Chris: No, Benjamin pointed out that if you're on the item's page, you can click on the timestamp again and you get a little embed/popup
- Ken Sheppardson
ken... add ?embed=1 to that url (i linked it a couple times above) it is a clean page... only the chat
- Chris Heath
So, what twitter are the topics twitter on tonight's twitter gillmor twitter gang?
- Phil Essing
i forget who came up with that though, thought it was you ken
- Chris Heath
Robert: The problem with multiple feeds is just that if you want to concentrate on the event, you can pop into the item view... but you don't see all the other threads.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like the new FF
- Chris Jones
Chris, yes your right. Thanks for clearing that up.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo is bouncing on his ball.
- Robert Scoble
Bit Gravity is so much more elegant.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I think I might get used to FF
- Rohit Harshvardhan
Leo Bouncing! LOL
- americanm
Bit Gravity rocks.
- Robert Scoble
My butt gets numb when I sit on my ball all day
- Jesse Stay
Final Four was pretty slick too
- Ken Sheppardson
Hmm... quiet here
- Bwana ☠
steve, the stickam looks better to me... that seems to be the advantage of going w/ multiple streams... people can choose the best stream for them
- Chris Heath
Love the fact you can wget the bitgravity feed
- Adnan
How big is your ball
- min
Bwana: live.twit.tv? it's bitgravity
- Ken Sheppardson
The BitGravity feed is great.
- Joseph Ferris
Did Leo get a new ball? He has been complaining lately that it was deflating. He had to pump it up.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
oh wait, I had to refresh
- Bwana ☠
stickam does look great
- Nick Halstead
FLASH
- Wo
aka Jonny Miller
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve: yeah, he got a new one. Heh.
- Robert Scoble
Leo got his second ball so he's balanced now
- min
Sneed.
- Ken Sheppardson
a snood
- Lasse Johnsen
Dr. Seuss
- Ken Sheppardson
Could that Masters feed be Swarmcast?
- Albert Maruggi
:o
- Phil Essing
AT&T and Move Networks are using Silverlight in true HD (720p) to broadcast the Masters Golf tournament
- Cliff Gerrish
this is what a snood is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's ball is a Valeo Burst Resistant 65cm Body Ball from Amazon.
- Drew
this is awesome stuff man.
- Jamie
I wonder what it would be like to have the Show as an Embed in a FF thread like this
- Majento
I want to know how to set up a friendfeed live chat -- love this.
- Peggy Dolane
Drew, I think I've got the same ball
- Aaron
way better than the stickam chat ;)
- Ole
Not no more.
- Ken Sheppardson
i'm done with twitter too
- Chris Heath
What's the difference? Context and threading
- Ken Sheppardson
i just pump everything there from friend feed (and i keep getting more twitter followers)
- Chris Heath
I need to get a bal - but not green!
- Drew
Leo has dumped Twitter!!
- Rohit Harshvardhan
I love that Steve just compared Twitter to AOL :-) :-)
- Jesse Stay
Leo dumped twitter a while ago for laconi.ca
- Chris Jones
(gee, I heard that somewhere before)
- Jesse Stay
me too. Especially with these dopey celebs twittering
- Steven (optionshiftk)
me too jesse
- Chris Heath
Twitter's a broadcast channel. You can broadast short urls to actual conversations and content.
- Ken Sheppardson
is it possible? embedding the show video here...
- Majento
The mainstream news is pushing twitter. So pathetic.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
hmm how about a permanent friendfeed live thing like this for all of the twit shows
- h1ro
what's the difference between this an a old-style chat room?
- Peggy Dolane
Yeah, it's be slick if you could embed a live vid player the same way you can a Youtube video.
- Ken Sheppardson
Peggy: It sticks around and you can search it later, for one
- Ken Sheppardson
You guys should discuss the new Wordpress.com-like microblog hosting services - Status.net and Twitteronia
- Jesse Stay
h1ro you don't want to do that. YOu want a different node for each show.
- Robert Scoble
ahhh, okay. found the right discussion now.
- Karoli
Peggy: And as Robert mentioned, you can have a conversation/node for each show.
- Ken Sheppardson
As GG has moved to twitlive, Steve has become a more professional host. What is this with introducing guests?!
- iluvgimp
h1ro ... leo makes a new entry for each show
- Chris Heath
Embargoed
- Ken Sheppardson
Peggy: And you can search/archive for later...
- Adnan
it's much easier to host when you can actually see the panel you're supposed to be moderating
- Phil Essing
when is the content to this show going to start?
- Peggy Dolane
now peggy
- Chris Heath
We all want to see Robert's smiling face.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Peggy: Go to live.twit.tv
- Ken Sheppardson
BitGravity streaming video at http://live.twit.tv
- Ken Sheppardson
Peggy: http://live.am/listen for audio only
- Chris Jones
that'a a leo move, robert
- fred lutge
You guys really believed Obama in the elections? I didn't believe either of them. They were both BS.
- Jesse Stay
This is not a bait-and-switch on Obama's part. Remember when we hated him for supporting the FISA stuff?
- iluvgimp
hey at least they're going to the FISA court (even if it's after the fact)
- Chris Heath
The advantage to Obama is he can pull off what Bush was doing and get away with it. :-)
- Jesse Stay
who is that opposite Steve
- Jamie
Ah..welcome to the real world. All idealist who thought Obama is the real deal will have their heart broken. Real world is not run through idealism.
- Rohit Harshvardhan
so does obama admin position make it more possible for a supreme court review?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Jamie: Tina, I believe.
- iluvgimp
Must Watch the The Obama Deception http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Nick Rae
It goes to show that the government does not like to give up power.
- archaictree
thanks iluvgimp
- Jamie
Since when does a foreigner have US Constiutional rights?
- Phil Essing
yes it is tina who's computer screen we can see there
- Chris Heath
domestic to domestic calling is NOT part of this tapping
- Phil Essing
Wave, Tina ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Robert
- Jeff Johnson
Hey Guys :) I hope you're all having a good 'Good Saturday'!
- Michael Forian
Sounds like the President knows way more than we do
- Jesse Stay
phil the us constitution grants rights (unalienable) to all people ... citizens or not...
- Chris Heath
the only reason they must have to continue that is it must be turning up plenty of information
- Albert Maruggi
I second what Nick Rae said, please watch the Obama Deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Michael Forian
Chris Heath: sorry, but that is not accurate
- Phil Essing
Shoe phone
- Ken Sheppardson
phil not all rights
- Chris Heath
use http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit... in VLC, it works! Twit!
- americanm
Leos setup is crazy
- Jamie
TV Studio 2.0
- Ken Sheppardson
horrible phone audio
- Byron McCollum
I dream of having Leo's setup some day
- Jesse Stay
WHAT??!
- Ken Sheppardson
I have a nice microphone and a mixer - does that count?
- Jesse Stay
Nixon said it with his actions, if not with words ;)
- Krikit Media
First, there is NO right to privacy in the Constitution. Second, nobody calling into the US has any Constitutional right to not have that call monitored
- Phil Essing
Jesse: I think we all do.
- Daniel Rowley
So Google is now authoritative?
- Ken Sheppardson
phil i was just saying that some of the rights in the constitution are granted to all people, not just citizens
- Chris Heath
Loving Bitgravity feed.
- Francine Hardaway
MSNBC, not good? ;)
- Michael Forian
Phil, if 2 presidents on both sides are both doing it now, you think it means they might know something we don't?
- Jesse Stay
ken, was the AP ever authoritative?
- Chris Heath
What's Andrew's list of approved sources?
- Ken Sheppardson
What is Real News Paper? I think what they mean by real news paper is each information being checked by multiple source
- Rohit Harshvardhan
No there's an echo
- Francine Hardaway
Third: this wire-tapping is not done in order to gather information for later prosecution. The informatioj is gathered to thwart possible terrorist attacks.
- Phil Essing
WWW.INFOWARS.COM
- Nick Rae
I don't think Wire Tap will impact as many TWIT listeners as the FTC blogger and product endorsement rule http://phillipsgivenslaw.blogspot.com/2009...
- Albert Maruggi
Chris: Is anybody authoritative? It's all pointers to stuff you should go investigate if you care about it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Nick, we got the point. You can quit it now.
- Michael Forian
ken, i was just saying...
- Chris Heath
:-)
- Ken Sheppardson
There's really no where to go but up after Bush guys.
- Landon
Olberman must be authoritative. He's on a network.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse Stay: I support the warrantless wire-tapping of any foreign calls coming into the country.
- Phil Essing
Amen Robert - that sounds exactly what I think is happening
- Jesse Stay
Wow. Masters.com video is really good.
- Wo
And, yes: the President, formerly Bush, and now Obama, is most definitely privy to information we don't, and should not have.
- Phil Essing
Olbermann is amazing :)
- Michael Forian
Rush Limbaugh and Robert Scoble cage match!
- Landon
Phil, I support the President's right to assert that - there is often way more that we don't know
- Jesse Stay
Scoble would own.
- Michael Forian
It is going to be interesting if the SPanish judge gets anywhere
- Francine Hardaway
I'm not as entertaining.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: We are in full agreement.
- Phil Essing
Is ABC news good enough for Andrew? http://blogs.abcnews.com/politic...
- Adam Turetzky
i think gillmor has a point here
- Chris Heath
Left wing rag.
- Ken Sheppardson
true robert, rush makes me laugh more than you do.. sometimes into stitches
- Chris Heath
Leo it's not good friends it's a protection of their own hide should the next 4 years find Obama in the same position.
- Albert Maruggi
Gillmore is so wrong here. Wiretap is here to stay
- Rohit Harshvardhan
It's April 11th!
- Chip Duford
Hi, NSA
- Ken Sheppardson
Obama ran on talking points, and then, perhaps, grew-up a little once he became privy to the intelligence
- Phil Essing
half the show googling for a "real newspaper"
- Lasse Johnsen
ok everyone, time to put full faith in gov't... they'll never take advantage of you, not even when it has to stay secret. fear bin laden, the all powerful instead
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
i, for one, welcome our old NSA overlords
- Chris Heath
Advocacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has warned that the Obama administration is seeking to expand the government’s authority to carry out wiretapping under the auspices of national security.
- Nick Rae
Nope.
- Wo
This panel is discussing an issue without knowuing all the facts
- Phil Essing
Phil, exactly. Both candidates were running on talking points. I chose Obama because he was the only one that was going to be able to get anything done.
- Jesse Stay
I dont get it. People who dont trust govt with personal information trust them to be socialist and run the country?
- Rohit Harshvardhan
I do think Obama is finding many things more complex than he thought.
- Francine Hardaway
and you do phil?
- Chris Heath
The real problem here is he ran on the statements that he would absolutely reverse all of this stuff both habeas corpus and this wiretapping.
- Adam Turetzky
the wire tap issue is great conversation, but Google's Latitude will get my butt in more trouble on the home front than wire taps.
- Albert Maruggi
We need our right to privacy!!
- Wo
i love that we have a president that we can be proud of, but i do feel that Obama has often spoken his true feelings only to be reeled back in by his seasoned administration.
- Landon
Why would you not use private key encryption and email?
- Chris Jones
The warrantless wire-tapping only pertains to a certain type of call
- Phil Essing
Phil: pundits speaking without all the details? What?!?
- iluvgimp
I like Marc's response :-)
- Jesse Stay
Marc Canter is on the call :-)
- Jamie
Or better yet, random.org and a one-time pad?
- Chris Jones
chris, i have nothing to hide... that's why
- Chris Heath
:)
- Chris Heath
I don't either but I still don't want to give up my privacy just to prove it
- Chris Jones
If you guys understood what happened on 9/11, you would realise the govt. is deep into the mess.
- bill giltner
Where Obama is really screwed up is in what Marc is talking about now.
- Francine Hardaway
it's all so complicated, and only gov't can understand it. eg the economy. we elected them, so they *have* to be smarter than us, on everything! :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
OOoo didn't know Canter was on
- Jay Neff
Major conflict of interest there. See Bill Moyers' journal two weeks ago
- Francine Hardaway
Chris: you have no right to privacy
- Phil Essing
here is the rolling stone article that documents that meeting: http://www.splaht.com/detail...
- Landon
phil, but we can try to create privacy for ourselves, right?
- Chris Heath
not heard from Marc since the incident with Calacanis
- Jamie
The Constitution protects you from unjustified search and seizure, but grants you no privacy
- Phil Essing
sound is good on the web
- Albert Maruggi
Phil: I'm not saying that I do but that still doesn't mean I can't try to maintain my privacy by any means necessary.
- Chris Jones
we must adjust our constitution to bin laden, the all powerful
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Marc's a fun guy - he and Owyang and Rodney Rumford and I hung out at Thievery Corporation last year at F8.
- Jesse Stay
Sure, Chris. But, where is the controversy in tapping calls coming into the country from suspected terrorists?
- Phil Essing
FriendFeed is awesome!
- americanm
Stop talking about Goldman Sachs, warrantless wiretapping, and start talking about Friendfeed????????
- Francine Hardaway
Leo sounds like a libertarian.
- Michael Forian
When are we going to stop talking politics and start talking tech?
- Jesse Stay
Leo is playing devil's advocate.
- Eric Geller
no, Twitter!
- Joshua Dale
teflon presidency... lol
- Jamie
Your calls, Chris, are not being monitored, unless you're chatting it up with Zawahiri.
- Phil Essing
Damn rrigh Leo
- bill giltner
Welcome to the real-time web, Francine. :) The New Distraction
- iluvgimp
But how do we know that Phil?
- Chris Jones
maybe phil, maybe not
- Chris Heath
you said yourself phil, we don't have all the facts...
- Chris Heath
How do we know that they're not tapping my call to my sister in France?
- Chris Jones
Chris, think about how many telephone calls are made every day just in the Us, alone.
- Phil Essing
THANK YOU SCOBLE! :-)
- Jesse Stay
I listen to Talk Radio for the politico stuff. I tune in to Twit for your tech talk. Bring it back, Scoble! Please?
- Paul Goldsmith
The digg bar
- Phil Maxwell
Absolutely impossible to tap it all
- Phil Essing
Scoble with the attempted save.
- Eric Geller
breakthematrix.com campaignforliberty.com eff.org infowars.com :)
- Jay Neff
I'll try again.
- Robert Scoble
paul, this is not necessarily a tech show... it's general discussion
- Chris Heath
Scoble, you should just scream really loud.
- Eric Geller
The DiggBar has caused a lot of heat. Especially with John Gruber of Daring Fireball.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Do it scoble!
- Chris Jones
Steve Gilmore is so wrong!
- bill giltner
diggbar is a bad idea
- Donnie Murdock
I cringe at the day we start to see font colors and sizes on the real-time web. This is so much better than chat.
- Jesse Stay
i don't thinks so donnie
- Chris Heath
I'm filp flopping on my opinion of the digg bar. I can't decide if it's good or bad. either way Gruber is taking it WAY too seriously.
- Phil Maxwell
Afghanistan drug trade hits $4 billion a year
- Nick Rae
I don't have a problem with people sending people to Digg my site
- Jesse Stay
Diggbar = bad
- Phil Essing
they may need to tweak it a bit donnie, but it's a good thing
- Chris Heath
Jesse: what if you set your own view?
- Robert Scoble
Frames break the web
- Phil Essing
I agree Phil. Diggbar sucks but Gruber must have had 10 posts about it in the past day
- Jamie
Donnie, I agree. embedding sites and hiding the URL is wrong.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
is their really outrage with the digg bar?
- Byron McCollum
i thought the gillmor gang was a tech show?
- Lasse Johnsen
some bryon
- Chris Heath
If you guys want to learn more about this, you can visit infowars.com
- Michael Forian
There's always a lot of politics too
- Leo Laporte
This has turned into NewsGang. Heh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, my own view? Like create my own version of FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
LOL Gilmore Gang is an Obama love fest!
- Mike Mackley
Lasse: it's all over the map. Just depends on what folks want to talk about.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is the diggbar that much different from StumbleUpon?
- Chris Jones
Leo: You need to chime in here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Ken Sheppardson
On NewsGang we talk about Twitter and Friendfeed, and here they talk about Afghanistan. I think Steve has them confused
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble: NewsGang indeed
- Phil Maxwell
if the diggbar was a browser toolbar, fine
- Phil Essing
but it's not
- Phil Essing
And he has about 90% of the world with him.
- Jackson Pollock
if you dont want your site framed, then add the little bit of JS that checks and breaks the frame
- Byron McCollum
DiggBar? any other topic suggestions?
- americanm
I agree that there is room to discuss politics within TWIT and actually enjoy that they approach these areas but come on, afgan policy?
- Mitch Kent
Here is an example of the diggbar: http://digg.com/d1fce9
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Francine: On NGL, Steve just relates Afghanistan and Pakistan to Twitter and Friendfeed. Lately, it's been the same show.
- iluvgimp
Let's not have that conversation
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you don't realise that Obama Admin is not doing what they campaigned on
- bill giltner
It's the age-old american cowboy attitude of revenge and making things right. You need to swallow september 11th and try to make sure it doesn't happen again by not putting your boot where it doesn't belong
- Jackson Pollock
Let's talk tech!
- Joe Lima
Let those wine sink in. This could get interesting..hehe
- Rohit Harshvardhan
Great point, Andrew
- bill giltner
I'm going to go decorate eggs with the kids. I'll be listening...
- Jesse Stay
the world loves Obama because he projects weakness, and everyone hates the big guy. If you think Obama is going to get more cooperation from the spoiled euros, you have drunk the Kool-Aid.
- Phil Essing
BTW, this isn't "TWIT", this is a show on the Twit.tv network. Stop complaining about the lack of tech or the inclusion of politics. Tune out if you don't like it.
- iluvgimp
I like the diggbar
- Chris Jones
maybe Ron Paul should have won? :>
- Jay Neff
see here is why the diggbar sucks http://digg.com/d1nuU0
- Donnie Murdock
Here is another topic suggestion that is half politics half tech: http://www.paulgraham.com/founder...
- Lasse Johnsen
my mistake
- Mitch Kent
Yeah, this is the Gillmor Gang. It's whatever Steve Gillmor wants to talk about.
- Robert Scoble
The Gillmor Gang is the best show on the internet.
- Wo
Jay: he should have.
- Michael Forian
it's a good idea to stay in your own country. stop thinking you belong anywhere else
- Jackson Pollock
maybe so cris
- Chris Heath
Donnie that was funny. Link to digg bar sucks using digg bar.
- Landon
Lasse: I will try to get this back to tech shortly. I like that topic.
- Robert Scoble
gillmor gang is by far my favourite podcast
- Jamie
Does Leo take notes on when editing needs to happen (i.e. cursing, long pauses) or does do it as he goes later?
- Eric Geller
Dutch TV show exonerates Osama bin Laden
- Nick Rae
Right. And there IS a connection between tech and Afghanistan, but we're not discussing that either. The question is whether social media and new tools can influence things like Afghanistan or warrantless wiretaps
- Francine Hardaway
I think this is agreat way to bring politics to the tech community
- Mike Gargano
I'm enjoying it :)
- Jay Neff
ive never been as impatient with Steve as I am now. What a douche
- bill giltner
This isn't Leo's show, it's Steve's, Eric Geller
- iluvgimp
isn't the problem, or a bit part of it, that failed states = terrorist regenerating?
- Matt Searles
Robert is soooo quite...hey chip in
- Rohit Harshvardhan
Canter
- Ken Sheppardson
Noted, this is whatever Mr. Gillmor wants to talk about. So far, however, it sounds like he doesn't have a clue what he's saying.
- Paul Goldsmith
I swear I'm seeing FF alert notifier, FF, TwiT IRC and the video, and they are all on other topics
- Francine Hardaway
Not the "chat room"... FriendFeed
- Ken Sheppardson
read about the theory of blowback. the best way to stay safe? stop provoking.
- Jackson Pollock
Yeah, we resent that. :D
- Eric Geller
Let's talk about the CrunchPad!
- Michael Forian
beta.friendfeed should post the most recent updated comment on top first. The feed comment sorting in wrong
- Harry
internet outage in south bay?
- Joe Lima
Haha, Scoble's like, "Well the Diggbar..." and then gets cut off.
- Eric Geller
Will what MG writes change, ya think?
- Ken Sheppardson
EMBARGO!!!
- Landon
yes the crunchpad is a really cool concept...
- Chris Heath
Look, they're not talking about Twitter. That's a big A+
- Phil Essing
I like this topic
- bill giltner
Want a Crunchpad!!!!!!! so bad!
- americanm
Scoble, do you think that Apple could create a better CrunchPad?
- Michael Forian
So Robert, you will use them like clocks showing different time zones on your wall?
- Francine Hardaway
The crunchpad is a joke. It will fail. What is different about it then the other tablet type, touch computers?
- Steven (optionshiftk)
michael... i think they already are
- Chris Heath
robert is crazy :-)
- Jamie
Sypeasaurus
- Ken Sheppardson
If it's under $300 I'll buy.
- Wo
very cool!
- Jay Neff
steve it will only fail if apple comes out with a similar product
- Chris Heath
wait til the itouch tablet arrives
- min
CrunchPad will come out and the next day Apple will announce their tablet.
- Eric Geller
the DiggBar reminds me of .tk url's (if you mean that shortening thing)
- Krikit Media
TechCrunch is making a mistake going in the hardware business.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo, show some video of the Crunchpad? It's on Youtube
- iluvgimp
What's this?
- Eduardo
why not just buy some monitors, Robert?
- Joe Lima
openmoko is dead
- Byron McCollum
It will probably be at least $200
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Real time buying club through tech crunch distribution...
- Cliff Gerrish
Anybody can get a device *built*, but who are you going to call for Crunchpad support?
- Ken Sheppardson
steve yes probably more like $300
- Chris Heath
Scoble has always loved the UMPC/tablet design
- Jackson Pollock
It will be $300.
- Michael Forian
Joe: because I want each display running on its own computer.
- Robert Scoble
I bet Arrington is getting tired of the blog biz so going into hardware
- Francine Hardaway
There's more to being a computer company than just making a computer.
- Ken Sheppardson
Buzz Out Loud 946: OpenMoko is NoMo
- taxi_cab
$300 I may as well buy a full-fledged netbook
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I was so hoping for Open Moko phone too
- Krikit Media
taxi_cab with the BOL plug :)
- Eric Geller
I gotta say, the Crunchpad looks like the OLPC of iPhones or iTablet
- iluvgimp
Topic to talk about: 1. Windows on 95% of netbook
- Rohit Harshvardhan
Would you buy a Gateway tablet?
- Ken Sheppardson
yeah open moko looked super pimp
- Jay Neff
Arrington, Ken. the Geek Squad
- Francine Hardaway
chumby 2.0? ;)
- Ole
Mike is the new Jobs
- Jamie
ole, there already is a chumby 2.0
- Chris Heath
the crunchpad seems nice, but who is going to provied customer support when it breaks? and how are they going to pay to employ those customer support reps?
- Blake
Well, I see the friendfeed "chatroom" is alive and well! :P
- Eevee
But the difference between Mike and Jobs is that Mike was never purported to be the savior of modern computing.
- Eric Geller
I have a Chumby 2.0
- Francine Hardaway
chris: ok 2.1 ;)
- Ole
:)
- Chris Heath
Ken: Gateway? lol :)
- Jay Neff
I always thought Chumby looked neat
- Chris Jones
I loved Chumby. It's cute
- Francine Hardaway
Chumby reminds me of that Nabaztag rabbit robot.
- Eric Geller
why can't we do that here robert? why?
- Chris Heath
He sits on my kitchen counter so I can see my Tweets when I cook (never)
- Francine Hardaway
chumby=garbage
- fred lutge
Not a good brand for hardware
- Francine Hardaway
It would be better if you have FriendFeed streaming on your Chumby. :)
- imabonehead
Jonathan Ive and Steve Jobs are tied to the hip. What comes out of Apple isn't limited to Steve's presence. Jonathan and his team are developing the products Apple sell. He was the person who introduced Steve to the "few products, fewer product categories" methodology, and he is still the one who limits it.
- Jackson Pollock
I would like to see the cost of the pad when you add the marketing costs to the entire project.
- Joe Lima
I can't see him commercializing it. This is a lesson in how stuff gets built today.
- Ken Sheppardson
finally I'm here in this ff chat
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Loren looks like a ghoul
- Francine Hardaway
welcome
- min
welcome tina
- Chris Heath
hi Tina
- Steven (optionshiftk)
hi tina
- Joe Lima
Hi Tina
- americanm
crap I'm out of wine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
chumby works better underwater
- fred lutge
try this view tina http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
Hi everyone
- Eevee
hi tina
- Nolan Alston
one of the people looks like that guy on prision break!!
- stephen
Hi Tina
- Francine Hardaway
This is Michael doing his Richard Branson impersonation :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
hi everyone... you're all so nice to me
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tina, colleen will refill you if you ask her
- Chris Heath
Tina: Sarah's Vineyard Pinot Nior. The stuff rocks.
- Joe Lima
the british guy
- stephen
How long does this show usually run>
- Chris Jones
get more wine, Tina. Easier to follow FF stream with more wine.
- Warner Crocker
thanks for the tip Joe Lima
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'll go get a glass of wine and pretend I'm in Petaluma.
- Francine Hardaway
Get a can of champagne and some peeps
- Chris Jones
what about gos and the cloud os
- Donnie Murdock
May 20th I come to the Bay Area for the summer. Make Leo invite me
- Francine Hardaway
Microsoft is a player in it
- Donnie Murdock
robert, MS isn't a player, they're a pimp
- Chris Heath
Any large company is a player
- Francine Hardaway
I'm with Leo
- Joe Lima
Palm will come back. Pre looks awesome.
- David Weitz
I'll see what I can do Francine.... not sure I weld much power
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Howard Stern hated it.
- Jackson Pollock
i think >90 % market share = player ;)
- Ole
Palm has a huge following - they haven't gone away
- Jesse Stay
Leo you're thinking WAY too far forward. MSFT will be in this business for a long time, if due to market share more than anything else.
- Eric Geller
I didn't know Howard Stern hated it.
- David Weitz
I love Leos disdain for Silverlight
- Jamie
Palm isn't MSFT
- Francine Hardaway
I hadn't heard of the Crunchpad, just had a quick look, and my initial thoughts: meh
- Phil Essing
http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co... real time chat updates very nice
- Jay Neff
A lot of the old faithful would be willing to give palm another try...
- Mitch Kent
Howard Stern just needs Lotus Notes access. Can't get it with a Pre. He doesn't "hate it"
- Ken Sheppardson
Ole - MS is not 90% in smart phones
- min
I'm curious how many of those criticizing Palm used to be actual Palm users
- Jesse Stay
I loved my old Palm Pilot but they haven't done anything lately.
- Chris Jones
Palm is targeting their own user base
- Jesse Stay
I loved my old Palm Pilot
- Francine Hardaway
i had an original palm
- stephen
min: neither has palm ;)
- Ole
Steve blamer is going to bring Microsoft back to where there when they released windows 95 and 98
- Donnie Murdock
Scoble is the voice of reason here.
- Paul Goldsmith
Ken: he held it. he used it for an hour and a half. didn't do anything different for him than iphone or blackberry.
- Jackson Pollock
palm was not ment to be a phone
- Donnie Murdock
So, I suppose the Pre is a make or break move for Palm
- Phil Essing
yes phil
- Chris Heath
Jackson: How is that "hating" it?
- Ken Sheppardson
This is the best way to look at the friendfeed conversation http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- americanm
MS have lost the drive now without gates
- stephen
Leo's studio looks like somebody's 70;s den
- Francine Hardaway
What view was that that Leo just showed? The big text with the black background?
- Eric Geller
The Pre has to move mountains to put Palm back in the game. A casual user (like him) went; eh.. Blackberry
- Jackson Pollock
MS has the leadership
- Jamie
IRC chat window
- americanm
MS has a product in development similar to crunchpad.
- archaictree
Jeez louise -- MS is a dead horse
- John Moore
eric: i think that was the IRC channel
- Lasse Johnsen
eric, irc chat http://irc.twit.tv
- Chris Heath
its more a factor of nimbleness
- Jamie
thought so
- Eric Geller
@Eric i think is was the irc chat in colloquy
- Phil Maxwell
Ah, Colloquy.
- Eric Geller
Palm has a chance with the Pre...MS doesnt with winmo
- min
i really don't care about a MS smart phone. but Win7 is a step in the right direction.
- Ole
Win7 is great'
- Phil Essing
msft has surface
- imabonehead
stop showing the friend feed leo!!! your obsessed
- stephen
MSFT: Kim Cameron, Dick Hardt, Jon Udell, Bill Buxton, Ray Ozzie, etc.
- Cliff Gerrish
I think the only company that really has the focus and resources needed to persevere in this climate is....PSYSTAR.
- Eric Geller
what going on with the Microsoft Origami?
- Donnie Murdock
I give Google search dominance 5 years max - live search will be done by someone else - and that will become the defacto standard
- Nick Halstead
eric, it was xchat aqua client in the irc.twit.tv #twitlive channel
- Chris Heath
I had to go pour myself a glass of wine. Did I miss anything?
- Joe Lima
Thanks Chris.
- Eric Geller
who made the mac tablet
- Donnie Murdock
what going on with the Microsoft Origami?
- Donnie Murdock
nothing
- Chris Heath
it's still in the zen stage
- min
Get Loren off speaker
- Ken Sheppardson
Youtube doesn't run on blackberries.
- Joe Lima
can't imagine facebook still being so dominant in a few years. social community market is moving way to fast.
- Ole
search will disappear behind what we see/hear
- Jason Nelson
Apple netbook? What do you think?
- Mister IQ
Microsoft umpc http://www.microsoft.com/windows... comming out very very very soon
- Donnie Murdock
the only blackberries I know are rotten! ;)
- americanm
Robert: you loved the UMPC too, remember that
- Jackson Pollock
no direct link in beta?
- Jay Neff
its running a Webkit browser, so it should run pretty much any website.
- Lasse Johnsen
gotta take a bathroom break... cant... hold... it... any... longer.... aaaaaaaaaa
- Chris Heath
first time watcher ... Robert you're surprisingly less hysterical in real-life than you seem when writing posts on friendfeed ;)
- Joe Breen
Yes, I did. And CrunchPad might deliver it at a much lower price.
- Robert Scoble
You think Apple would ever sell a <$500 tablet? No way.
- Ken Sheppardson
no
- stephen
agree with ken
- Mitch Kent
Apple Execs are having a hard time convincing Steve Jobs to convert to social media.
- Jesse Stay
Apple tablet = $699
- Ken Sheppardson
a large iphone maybe
- stephen
a 15'' Macbook Air will do great.
- Jackson Pollock
was it snapy Robert?
- americanm
why do i want to search when i can see/hear what I want?
- Jason Nelson
or more
- Ken Sheppardson
Can apple come below $1000?
- Chris Jones
Apple will sell a device thats 500-600
- Jamie
I think it did well initially because of the early-adopter trend.
- Eric Geller
and they will expect to sell millions of them
- Jamie
as a means of offsetting the lack of margin
- Jamie
Jamie: and they will.
- Jackson Pollock
i want a CrunchPad, i want it bad
- Majento
I think Apple has the best chance of creating a tablet.
- Kim Landwehr
Apple is Sony in 1980
- Ken Sheppardson
I would surely buy an Apple <$500 netbook.
- Mister IQ
my issue is whether its Mac OSX or Mobile OSX
- Jamie
I have an Air. I don't love it
- Francine Hardaway
Like everyone says, it's slow and it hangs up. But it IS light.
- Francine Hardaway
Crunchpad isn't a netbook/laptop, it's a Kindle
- Ken Sheppardson
The Air is light at the expense of *not* feeling solid
- Phil Essing
Crunchpad is Kindle for the web
- Ken Sheppardson
I would take a hammer to my blackberry
- Joe Lima
Scoble inthe background FTW
- Ken Sheppardson
what's stoppin you Joe
- min
Too bad the Kindle only works in the States
- americanm
No baggies, Robert
- Ken Sheppardson
I like how Steve says, "This is for a kid right?" And Leo says, "No it's got Squeak, it's got Sugar." HAHA!
- Eric Geller
min: I don't have one anymore.
- Joe Lima
Apple won't enter this marked for a while yet. They always sit tight and see what works, what doesn't. It's the world's biggest marketing survey. They're in no hurry to get into this market. No one company is running away with this product catagory
- Jackson Pollock
I think, marketed well the kindle would do well in the uk. we love a book.
- Mitch Kent
www.plasticlogic.com
- Lasse Johnsen
I have a Kindle,too
- Francine Hardaway
The Kindle is just way too expensive
- Phil Essing
Gina Trapani had handwritten signs the other day. That's the way to go
- Ken Sheppardson
I saw a Kindle on the Tube the other day Mitch
- Jamie
yeah but it will come down
- Mitch Kent
I use an old Sony Librie
- americanm
and, I still prefer reading dead trees, anyway
- Phil Essing
you made the right choice then Joe
- min
Robert: is that the Kindle 2?
- Joe Lima
Who is this Andrew guy they have on? I'm not familiar with him.
- Jesse Stay
Who needs iTunes? Love my Zune!
- Paul Goldsmith
Joe: yes
- Jackson Pollock
Paul: anybody with an iPhone
- Jackson Pollock
Jamie - really? I'd have been tempted to ask for a go...
- Mitch Kent
I love the NY Times iphone app
- Francine Hardaway
me too francine
- Chris Heath
I like my zune player better than the iPod but the Zune software sucks hard core.
- Chris Jones
TechCrunch could just OEM the Crunchpad... hmm..
- Ken Sheppardson
The NYTimes also has a Desktop reader that is pretty cool.
- Eric Geller
Who needs an iPhone? Got a G1 and it's fantastic. I can actually run apps in the background.
- Paul Goldsmith
FriendFeed needs usernames before the comments, and it should support messaging within the comments. Therefore, "scobleizer: here's my message" will darken for Robert and stand out so he can see when he's being addressed (like IRC)
- Jesse Stay
The NY Times iPhone app is well done... too bad the paper is a rag
- Phil Essing
psion they first they made the first netbook that came out in 1999
- Donnie Murdock
Paul: the G1 is nice.
- Joe Lima
how's the battery life paul g?
- Chris Heath
I don't love it enough to pay for it, but yeah... newspapers are sorta neat
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul, I was tempted by the G1 but the naff camera put me off
- Mitch Kent
battery life on the G1 sucks
- Paul Goldsmith
my generation couldn't care less about the feel of a newspaper
- Jamie
because they print crap
- Nick Rae
How much would a non-ad-subsidized subscription to the NYT cost?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: that will get them nowhere. The one thing that stretches across every successful product is product design and usability. OEMs will never make an iPhone.
- Jackson Pollock
Newspapers needs to change their expense structure.
- Joe Lima
I leave it plugged in the USB at office and on charge at home.
- Paul Goldsmith
totally agree with Robert
- Jamie
if they were more relevant, I would love 'em too :p
- Krikit Media
Robert is 100% correct here.
- Jackson Pollock
All I know is that a lot of my old buddies at Media General are now unemployed
- Jesse Stay
who defines what is relevant?
- Paul Goldsmith
Let's all shout and see who wins
- Chris Jones
I have to say, I'm a kid and I agree with Robert. I won't read the paper if given other options.
- Eric Geller
where can you find the desktop reader, eric?
- Chip Duford
Android = good, G1 = crap
- Phil Essing
Totally agree with Robert.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Jackson: I'm wondering about something like HTC. The didn't start off building a consumer presence, support, etc...
- Ken Sheppardson
I won't read the paper but I love print books
- Chris Jones
accessibility. I don't sit around for a day and wait to read the news
- Jackson Pollock
we only printed on paper because we had nothing else
- Tina Chase Gillmor
He's right. The grid goes down and we will wish for a newspaper.
- Joe Lima
There will just be fewer newspapers.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ever see the Time Machine? Remember the future in that movie/book?
- Jesse Stay
Love a nice glossy magazine...much easier read than on a screen
- Paul Goldsmith
Can Loren hear anybody? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks
- Chip Duford
everything is awesome, nobody's happy - thank you louis c.k.
- Chris Heath
The only magazine I really want to continue subscribing to is Wired. It's my favorite tech magazine.
- Eric Geller
Media forms don't go away. People still listen to radio and read books.
- Sprague D
This is pretty awesome. Just found the live chat. IRC is dead.
- Eric Florenzano
we need more room!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I agree with Chris - printed newspaper no, printed books yes
- Thomas James
cold, leo
- fred lutge
I still read books, but the news i can find online.
- Lasse Johnsen
Nudnik is one of my favorite Yiddish words
- Majento
It's cheaper to give each of those kids a Kindle in the Bronx than to maintain a library with paper books.
- Jesse Stay
Eric, I liked Wired mag more before it merged back with wired.com. They seem to get more ads after the merge.
- Chris Jones
Nudnik is a beautiful word... agreed
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Who can afford a car? Horses are the way to go.
- Ken Sheppardson
full on war hapening here!
- stephen
Scoble is totally correct
- Phil Essing
Jesse: True, but some books are maintained for historical value only.
- Eric Geller
How come Wired started a UK paper edition this month?
- Mike Hellers
Leo needs to click the permalink
- Jamie
it's a fight!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Eric, in an elementary school library?
- Jesse Stay
We still need some replacement for the long-form article that's well researched, etc.
- Eric Florenzano
And yet the armed services still teach morse code at BMT.
- Chris Jones
I like the way the underpriviledged are running around in horse and buggies, while the afluent drive cars.
- Ken Sheppardson
you don't stifle innovation and progress because a small part of the population refuses, or is unable to keep-up
- Phil Essing
Jesse: No, I'm talking about the real ones. I agree with you.
- Eric Geller
newspapers need to find a way to produce their product cheaper or Robert right they become not economical, no matter how much people like them
- Kim Landwehr
Totally agree with ROBERT!
- americanm
Economies of scale will kick in and papers will die.
- Ken Sheppardson
The newspapers need to give value to the people that is harder for them to find online.
- Lasse Johnsen
things will always be printed. It is far too easy to format a hard drive, wipe a record, etc. Redundency can only do so much, people need records!
- Mitch Kent
That's what Google Gears is for
- Chris Jones
ken that's already happening
- Chris Heath
I CAN TALK LOUDER THAN ALL OF YOU
- Jesse Stay
Scoble is MEAN!!
- Rohit Harshvardhan
get times http://www.acrylicapps.com/times... best of both worlds
- Joe Breen
Jesse: You'll have to :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble might have been too brash but he's 100% correct.
- Eric Geller
Ken: buggies? i'm trying to follow the analogy but i'm failing
- Phil Maxwell
Heheh. It doesn't matter. The newspaper industry is over and every publisher knows it.
- Robert Scoble
I am saving my newspapers to auction them off on ebay in 20 years.
- Joe Lima
Scoble's just trying to keep up with Loren. That requires brashness :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
most newspapers are down 30-40% year on year
- Jamie
Ken: Very good point.
- Eric Geller
Jamie: yes, and we'll lose a LOT of them over the next few years.
- Robert Scoble
I dont like mono
- Matt Searles
A talk on TED: Can design save the newspaper? http://www.ted.com/index...
- Lasse Johnsen
i would say no probably lasse
- Chris Heath
It's not quite over, it's in decline. And, newspapers are not dying solely because of the digital alternatives, but because most newspapers are a mix of amateur "journalism" and AP feeds
- Phil Essing
Save the discipline, not the medium.
- Ken Sheppardson
yes, Journalism is what needs to be saved
- Phil Maxwell
Lasse:TED talk was great, to me more about importance of design less about newspaper
- Michael
I agree, Phil Maxwell
- Phil Essing
lol robert... make a device more like a newspaper to loren stops bitching!
- Chris Heath
Totally agree that journalism need saving, that's what I was getting at before.
- Eric Florenzano
journalism isn't dead... we're not killing people are we?
- Jason Nelson
Time flies when yer yelling.
- Ken Sheppardson
I wish The Gillomr Gang would never end.
- Wo
That's a good phrase Steve..."real time regime."
- Eric Geller
Tina, lots of Yiddish on twitter :-) http://twitter.com/Yiddish is new but there are many others
- Majento
i paid more attention to FF than to the netcast
- Phil Essing
making sure that journalism doesn't die with the physical newspaper business has got to be the priority for our culture/society
- Chris Heath
+1 Lasse
- Sprague D
Oy!
- Phil Essing
Phil, there's a netcast going on?
- Jesse Stay
Majento thanks for the Yiddish twitter tip
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think so
- Phil Essing
I can hear it.. hehe
- Phil Essing
Agree with Steve.
- Ken Sheppardson
Tina, you're more than welcome, let me know if you find it fun
- Majento
Design/prototyping exercise/demonstration.
- Ken Sheppardson
bay area Jewish folks shold follow sfjbay on twitter... they are new
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah i agree w/ steve on the crunchpad issue too ken
- Chris Heath
So, how does one go about setting-up one of these impromtu FF chat rooms?
- Phil Essing
they should offer digital subscription of newspapers as well as a paper version
- Donnie Murdock
JONATHAN IVE.
- Jackson Pollock
Loren is reclining for Passover
- Tina Chase Gillmor
http://www.axiotron.com/index... is the closet thing to a mac tablet
- Donnie Murdock
Phil: Just start an entry on FriendFeed. Done. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Remember, recline to the left
- Phil Essing
Apple needs to make more affordable devices.
- Wo
phil every friendfeed entry is like this
- Chris Heath
Apple lets the market define the problem -- and then they come up with a better solution.
- Cliff Gerrish
The problem with the Kindle newspaper subscriptions is that they don't update during the day
- Phil Maxwell
Donnie: there is nothing close to a mac tablet. It is either an Apple product, or nothing close to it. About 1000 people and hundreds of thousands of manhours behind
- Jackson Pollock
cris that is not apples business... apple is a premium business (read: luxury)
- Chris Heath
They won't win with an expensive tablet.
- Wo
Heath: Do you think seasoned journalists will vanish?
- Jason Nelson
Ken Sheppardson: good lord... it's so easy even I can do it! :)
- Phil Essing
Click the timestamp, Phil
- Jérôme Flipo
jason, no but where will the next generation of seasoned journos come from?
- Chris Heath
Chris, Apple is in the business of mainstream premium.
- Jamie
I tend to look for the complicated solution, even if the easy solution is staring at me in the face
- Phil Essing
right jamie - that's what i was saying i guess
- Chris Heath
Click the timestamp once, you get the item page with an open comment box at the bottom that scrolls along. Click the timestamp again, and you get a little right-bar-less pop-up window
- Ken Sheppardson
I really like Monocle.com magazine as a model for print 2.0
- Joe Conyers III
heh
- Ken Sheppardson
Heath: same place they did before. we're becoming more specialized, don't you think?
- Jason Nelson
This live thread reminds me of a very long night on Rejaw when they started
- Majento
didn't clicking on the timestamp open the convorsation in a pop-up window the other day? it's not doing that now until you click on it for a second time
- Phil Maxwell
But a $800 iTablet is not going to be a hit.
- Wo
"Apple lets the market define the problem -- and then they come up with a better solution."
- Ken Sheppardson
FF is really the model social networking site, at this point
- Phil Essing
Apple won't release a $200 iTablet.
- Wo
If it's important, you'll see it again. Somebody will repeat it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wow, Ken, that's excellent this plain chat room!!!!
- Jérôme Flipo
Leo: click the timestamp of the FF entry, the stream is easier to follow.
- Lasse Johnsen
I just got told that all my comments here went to Twitter and FB. I forgot about the intensity of this conversation and that FF feeds Twitter for me
- Francine Hardaway
Apple lets the market define the problem -- and then they come up with a better solution. -- Clif
- Ken Sheppardson
jason, i guess so... i just see the next generation of journos being more like bloggers (maybe that's not a bad thing, i don't know)
- Chris Heath
Like youkeep repeating what Cliff said... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
That's how I feel. I don't have to see everything anymore
- Francine Hardaway
"Apple lets the market define the problem -- and then they come up with a better solution". - Cliff Gerrish
- Chris Heath
cris: if they have to price it at $800, the entire category will not work. Nobody does what Apple does and make it cheaper.
- Jackson Pollock
If its important enough, it will be "retweeted" or "liked" enough that you'll see it
- Lasse Johnsen
Heath: perhaps. i just see so much of the paper as someone writing to take up space.
- Jason Nelson
ken, i didn't notice that you were doing that already... :)
- Chris Heath
I'm *almost* ready to give up Google Reader and the ability to mark things "read", and just rely on the stream to put things back in front of me if they're important.
- Ken Sheppardson
its pull media anyway.. so its in purportion to you're interests
- Matt Searles
me too jason, but there's a lot of that going on with blogs too
- Chris Heath
The present is a form of recursion - statements are repeated, but evolve as the context evolves.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken, I've 254 subs in Reader, I can't create a feed for each
- Jérôme Flipo
Ken, thats what i do
- Lasse Johnsen
I just reinstalled Feedly about a week ago and I'm LOVING it
- Phil Maxwell
Phil: Feedly is slick.
- Jason Nelson
I hate feedly, except their FF integration
- Jérôme Flipo
friendfeed is the new AP leo
- Chris Heath
agree with Leo, you just have to realize you are not going to be able to read everything, if important it will come back around
- Kim Landwehr
right so with the brevity of ff and twitter pointing us to good elaborative information it becomes about the quality or authority of the folks sharing the links
- Landon
Twitter's a tool for broadcasting links to actual conversations and content.
- Ken Sheppardson
tweetmeme is how to track all these story links being posted
- Nick Halstead
As an example, my mates and I all read the same web comics. We could rely on 'the stream' for the better comics but someone has to read them first to decide whats good - so where does that leave your reader?
- Mitch Kent
agreed ken
- Chris Heath
who is speaking? kevin marks?
- Jamie
Yes, Jamie. Kevin Marks.
- Ken Sheppardson
SOME PEOPLE ALWAYS NEED THE READERS
- John Moore
page rank will begin to take a backseat to volume. the question is how the volume is determined.
- Landon
I treat all the social media like a river of news
- Francine Hardaway
Love to Michelle Loren
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks Ken
- Jamie
Bye Loren
- Francine Hardaway
John, shhhhhhh, don't scream, babies are sleeping here :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Andrew just needs to buy a printer and have some app that automatically prints the last five pages of FriendFeed for him each morning.
- Ken Sheppardson
lol ken
- Chris Heath
we are working on a way to control the noise. follow @splaht on twitter for private invite codes.
- Landon
If you actually want print to take with you, you can still print stuff. Sheesh.
- Ken Sheppardson
cute I think Loren had his jammie pants on
- Tina Chase Gillmor
jokin on mr keene is too easy isn't it?
- Chris Heath
Ken, like the old appliances that just dialed up to get email and print out like a fax machine.
- Micah Wittman
RT @binladen Closer to kabul, islamabad, and nukes at our fingertips. currently bidding on at&t!
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I use Feedly for my reader, but if I miss a day I delete those unread article and start again.
- Kim Landwehr
But as soon as you start talking about printing stuff, you get "Oooh... you're wasting TREE"... as you walk down the sidewalk stepping over those free papers nobody reads.
- Ken Sheppardson
totally agree
- Chris Heath
I'm heading out - I have to take my affinity group on a date. Later!
- Sprague D
I used to wake up every morning, scan the newspaper and read the interesting articles. Now I wake up in the morning, scan the unread items in my feed reader and read the interesting articles.
- Eric Florenzano
Signal on FF is very very powerful, but the noise is huge (try to follow Scoble for tech news, even with complicated filters you can't get rid off his family news, milan's photos, etc.)
- Jérôme Flipo
i haven't had that problem jerome
- Chris Heath
Let's take up a collection to buy Andrew a wide format inkjet and a roll of newsprint
- Ken Sheppardson
haha
- Chris Heath
Jerome: You can hide his flickr entries and things like that.
- Eric Florenzano
i find that the human brain is a great filter of noise
- Chris Heath
But flickr entries may be about a tech conference
- Jérôme Flipo
It still scrolls on me
- Leo Laporte
but you can overwhelm w/ noise - choice noise is the way to go
- Joshua Dale
(I don't want to re-debate the hashtag issue :D)
- Jérôme Flipo
leo get to the bottom and it will stick
- Chris Heath
one of the keys to FF is the use of filters by the users and also for the producer to properly label things.
- Kim Landwehr
i was scrolling on me but then once i got a good roll going it stopped
- Chris Heath
Leo: If you scroll all the way to the bottom, the comment box should anchor itself and you'll just see the comments above it scroll up
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken's right (at least for me)
- Micah Wittman
leo: what kshep said
- Chris Heath
Testing
- Ken Sheppardson
123
- Ken Sheppardson
In the end, only humans can imbue something with value; and only humans can perceive value. The rest is a messaging system.
- Cliff Gerrish
I have scrolled to the bottom without the embed part and it stays.
- Nolan Alston
nope
- Leo Laporte
Label, I prefer this name to hashtag (and from the FF team, it would make a lot of sense since they're very Gmail-associated)
- Jérôme Flipo
For me it only doesn't scroll once I've clicked in the comment box.
- Eric Florenzano
Idem for me Eric
- Jérôme Flipo
leo, try putting the cursor in the box or over the comment box
- Chris Heath
leo: try this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Lasse Johnsen
we need to create a nicer way to see this
- Leo Laporte
Even better: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Ken Sheppardson
it's still a bit beta isn't it leo?
- Chris Heath
I agree Leo
- Nolan Alston
no way to do that leo
- John Moore
Leo go up to top and hit the where it says 1 hour ago, then the comment box is at the bottom
- Kim Landwehr
The "?embed=1" on the end cleans things up
- Ken Sheppardson
leo, i'm in chrome btw
- Chris Heath
leo just got it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Best way is to go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Kiko Cherman
it doesn't scroll for me.
- Jamie
leo: try firefox
- Phil Maxwell
Leo: Ever talk to Chris Pirillo about how he does it?
- Ken Sheppardson
it might be a safari thing
- Lasse Johnsen
Leo, I am using FF3.
- Nolan Alston
I'm in safari
- min
Ken: Why do the embed thing? All that seems to do is get rid of all the styles.
- Eric Florenzano
FF3 here as well
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm using FF3 too. no problems
- Phil Maxwell
What does steve gillmor does? he's a good twit.
- Kiko Cherman
LEO! finally!
- americanm
leo: what about dell cell phone
- Donnie Murdock
What's Steve Gillmor profession?
- Kiko Cherman
Donnie: yawn
- Phil Maxwell
there is no dell cell phone
- min
Eric: Drops the nav bar on right hand side... otherwise, I'm not sure how much diff it is than the item page
- Ken Sheppardson
Kiko: Tech journalist.
- Ken Sheppardson
yes there is it in the works
- Donnie Murdock
it's cleaner eric
- Chris Heath
no there isn't
- min
proof donnie?
- Chris Heath
are you sure dell isn't just hoping to buy palm?
- Chris Heath
At some point these conversations are going to get too large and FriendFeed will need to develop a way to hide older comments.
- Eric Florenzano
leo is right on.
- Jason Nelson
eric, they have that tech for the main pages... how it collapsed and keeps updating live
- Chris Heath
Funny that Loic Le Meur said he's watching
- Jérôme Flipo
He doesn't participate in the discussion
- Jérôme Flipo
doesn't FF use amazon for storage
- min
why funny jerome?
- Chris Heath
He's never on FF, why?
- Jérôme Flipo
min: for some, yes
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: Yeah but I'm talking about on these detail pages.
- Eric Florenzano
Loic said he's watching what? GG?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Funny 'cause Seesmic is all about conversation
- Jérôme Flipo
Yo, Loic. Add FriendFeed to Seesmic Desktop
- Ken Sheppardson
laconi is way way way way better than friendfeed and twitter
- Donnie Murdock
definately!
- americanm
eric, yeah i was just saying that they could do it... they're doing it on the main page.... this is beta , remember
- Chris Heath
fast warp
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks for the direct link!
- Jay Neff
Chris: Good point.
- Eric Florenzano
wrap
- Tina Chase Gillmor
now break out the wine, Tina
- Ken Sheppardson
I like how it keeps the comment box on the bottom
- Jay Neff
and thats how they rolled.
- min
I have already asked @loic to add FF to the Seesmic desktop
- Francine Hardaway
GREAT show today Leo, Steve, Tina, etc
- Chris Heath
But bearhug camp got the players to realize they all better get their best games on.
- Micah Wittman
----------end of taped show--------------
- Chris Heath
did it micah?
- Chris Heath
don't use the middle finger Tina
- min
Now for the DVD extras....
- Cliff Gerrish
There should be a standard set of cards folks should print out when they're going to be onvideo: "I Agree", "LOL", "No way"
- Ken Sheppardson
to take pix I mean
- min
to hold up
- Ken Sheppardson
Another great Podcast guys! Keep it up!
- Adi
what the phone that going to kill the iphone
- Donnie Murdock
lets get 1000 comments people
- Chris Heath
more recent comments, yes
- Ken Sheppardson
My first live show with chat. surprisingly intense. not a relaxing activity for sure. good fun. Thanks all.
- Mitch Kent
Or have it usuer configurable
- Greg
They say the Pre from Palm is the iPhone killer.
- min
But the individual item page should really just... you know... work
- Ken Sheppardson
like Gina Trapani was using on the show? lol
- Jay Neff
mitch the gillmor gang is almost always tense... chat or no chat
- Chris Heath
Chris, well, clearly it's mixed, but I think it accelerated awareness of the stakes in the ground
- Micah Wittman
min: that's what they say about everything these days
- Phil Maxwell
:)
- Mitch Kent
you guys (generic non-gender meaning) are GREAT!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I want to see where the Palm Pre goes. I might get one.
- Eevee
click the one hour ago link
- Adam Turetzky
It would be cool if FriendFeed could record the metadata of when a show started and ended in the live stream.
- Eric Florenzano
I'm here from twit, never seen the gillmor gang before. may have to pay more attention
- Mitch Kent
Mike was trolling :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
well yeah, i think it made twitter say to themselves ... wow... we've got all these people chomping at the bit... lets see how long we can keep them at bay
- Chris Heath
true
- min
Scoble just needs a heads-up display. Does anybody know somebody at MIT who could use him as a case study?
- Ken Sheppardson
yup
- Micah Wittman
still in awe at Leos setup.
- Jamie
I thnk I like this view better than IRC
- Tony Ferrer
time to pour myself another glass of wine. have a great evening all.
- Joe Lima
ɥʇıʍ dn dǝǝʞ oʇ pɹɐɥ sɐʍ pǝǝɟ sıɥʇ
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Since Scoble wears glasses...should be able to hook something in he can see inline
- Ken Sheppardson
Skypeasaurus!
- Jay Neff
Nice puppet
- Jérôme Flipo
The thing that wasnt really working was the landline.
- Lasse Johnsen
Tony: it's easier to tell when someone replies to you in irc though
- Phil Maxwell
and the skypeasaurus lasse... still wasn't fixed on monday
- Chris Heath
Using FF comments - much preferred over a chat widget like on ustream. This is good. Not too fast for me, but when hundreds and thousands join. Hmm. We'll see.
- Micah Wittman
plus micah its all archivable and searchable
- Jamie
My Bitgravity feed keeps buffering and reconnecting. Is that my broadband connection? Ustream and Stickam didn't do that.
- John Klopp
lol yeah might need a slider to adjust speed?
- Jay Neff
Leo: What browser are you using? Need to figure out what's going wrong with the item view.
- Ken Sheppardson
Interlaced?
- pmclem
jamie, e----xactly.
- Micah Wittman
my bitgravity stream was fine, so could be bandwidth.
- Mitch Kent
Almost at 900 comments now.
- Micah Wittman
Could be different niches at different times, however
- Ken Sheppardson
ok that is irritating with the flickering light on the computer
- Kim Landwehr
John Klopp: I've had the same issue a couple times in the past hour
- Jay Neff
well, it's really no different than what howard stern has been doing since the 80's, only live.
- Jackson Pollock
What is the entry that has the most comments?
- Eric Florenzano
kim that's why i'm on stickam, plus the video is crisper for me on stickam... i use the adobe air twitlive app
- Chris Heath
eric, this one i bet
- Chris Heath
leo was directing too?
- Jamie
jamie, yes... he always does.. his setup is designed to be a one man show
- Chris Heath
thanks Chris, I will try that next time.
- Kim Landwehr
np kim
- Chris Heath
pretty impressive
- Jamie
1462 comments
- Lasse Johnsen
Lasse: Wow! Well this one is getting really close though.
- Eric Florenzano
Thanks guys, had a blast - goodnight :)
- Mitch Kent
and leo's not even giving out any money
- Chris Heath
Is BitGravity buffering a lot for anyone else?
- Eevee
Seth: for me it buffered and reconnected 3 times during the show
- Lasse Johnsen
seth just switch back to stickam if you keep having problems... stickam is just as good quality, if not better (it is better for me)
- Chris Heath
Scobles and one other with 1450+ comments
- Ken Sheppardson
using bitgravity stream via VLC, no buffering at all
- HansVanRock
maybe other apps running in background
- min
anyone measured their bitgravity lag after all the bufferings yet?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I'm not getting any lag with BitGravity.
- Eric Florenzano
eric no bufferings then?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I'm really excited
- Steven (optionshiftk)
BG is often buffering. I use the TWiT Live Desktop app, it uses the Stickam stream http://www.peterelst.com/blog...
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Ken: Correct--no bufferings. Then again, I'm in San Francisco. Probably close to a hub or something.
- Eric Florenzano
eric right
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I had frequent buffering on bitgravity; comcast in Memphis, TN
- Viki
its a lot better on stickam Twit live desktop.
- Kim Landwehr
switched to Stickam, no problem
- Viki
liiiittle fruity leo.
- Jackson Pollock
lol
- Jamie
14! He's in High School, right? Poor kid.
- Viki
i don't mind the buffering much... just curious if bufferng always adds lag
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I want Wine so bad! Twit is bad influence! ;)
- americanm
Noo you should always say I love you to your children..
- Tony Ferrer
guess i'll restart bg and watch the clock
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Let's hear some of your chinese for your trip Leo
- Jackson Pollock
The FriendFeed chat is starting to slow down :P
- Eevee
Seth: The show is over :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
David who?
- Jérôme Flipo
thought he was a guitarist
- Jackson Pollock
David Sanborn, I'd bet
- Ken Sheppardson
youtube: clapton, sanborn and sheryl crow; little wing
- Jackson Pollock
anyone use the new gmail iphone page? i just love it... so much better than the built in mail... it's really like gmail
- Chris Heath
jerome gotta put the http://
- Chris Heath
Chris: no spell check though
- Phil Maxwell
phil, i use it mainly for checking mail and archiving my messages out of the inbox... something that i couldn't really do easily in the mail app... if i need to respond with spell check i'll go into mail.
- Chris Heath
anyone know the link to usea the gmail 4 iphone on the mac?
- americanm
i just archived 10 emails and read another then archived it... quicker than could be done on a pc by the way
- Chris Heath
americanm, I fear you can't :(
- Jérôme Flipo
i guess not... google is doing useragent or browser detection to pump you the iphone version if you're using an iphone... so i guess you might be able to do it
- Chris Heath
try this americanm
- Majento
THANKS!! MAJENTO!!!
- americanm
or this http://tinyurl.com/ckz9ax :)
- Jay Neff
now, time to create a new Fluid app
- americanm
YMW americanm
- Majento
Enjoy your Easter weekend friends, bye
- Jay Neff
that's actually the old iphone site
- Phil Maxwell
<< no iPhone here, i used this url when i had problems loading Gmail
- Majento
you can use change the User Agent to iPhone under the Developer menu in Safari and you will automatically be redirected the the new mobile site from http://gmail.com
- Phil Maxwell
963 comments, already the 3rd longest thread.
- Jérôme Flipo
Leo, I love yer rack
- Mike Scalora
WOW this is the most comments I've ever seen on FF :) LEO is the King! :)
- Susan Beebe
Microsoft will lower the price of Windows but they will charge for Windows Live Essentials for net books.
- Ian Ceicys
what about what Dvorak wrote: http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Ian Ceicys
iPhone 3.0 video recording interface, compass support spotted? - http://feeds.engadget.com/~r...
Gerard Lagana and Robert DeBord liked this
i hope there is more.
- Mike Mackley
I hope AT&T will allow current 3G iPhone users upgrade to the new iPhone like they did last year with the first gen iPhones. Unfortunately, I think that they might not because they subsidized the 3G iPhones.
- Gerard Lagana
Twitter Confirms And Details New “Discovery Engine” - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Finally opening up!
- Mike Mackley
How to turn your Apple logo into an LCD screen - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
Not very practical, but still cool.
- Mike Mackley
Video: NVIDIA's ION-based netbooks and nettops are go for launch - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
it is only a matter of time until we have brain implants. :-)
- Mike Mackley
Skype for iPhone Officially Official - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
This is very interesting
- Mike Mackley
Take 3d pix on your iPhone - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
This is in the App Store!
- Mike Mackley
UltraDNS Service Brought Down by DOS Attack - http://gigaom.com/2009...
Lets hope this is dealt with quickly
- Mike Mackley
Motorola, Time Warner mixing up multiroom, tru2way cable setups due later this year - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Coming soon.
- Mike Mackley
Woz exits Dancing with the Stars - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
The judges fixed the voting! :-) Woz made the show fun.
- Mike Mackley
Spyware Protect 2009 strikes again - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
The battle continues.
- Mike Mackley
EcoDrain heat exchanger makes good use of warm waste water - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Is this in use?
- Mike Mackley
Bang & Olufsen debuts 40-inch BeoVision 8 LCD HDTV - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Hmm, still waiting for 3D TV. ;-)
- Mike Mackley
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