http://jezlyn.posterous.com I really like using it to feed content to my Wordpress blog and other sites at the same time. It's the only easy way I know of to e-mail posts "to" my Wordpress.com blog.
- Cheryl Jones
from BuddyFeed
Kol - it's great how one FF post can start a little movement. I've used it more today than since I signed up whenever a long time ago. Thanks.
- phil baumann
@phil couldn't you do the embed feature... ? post something to posterous.. and then 'edit' the post and paste the embed? Or maybe simply email it?
- Sean
Phil, click on the 'Share' link of the FF entry, then copy the embed code. Create a new Posterous entry, select HTML mode and paste in the embed code. You'll need to edit the width and height (looks like 500 for width). Then post. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't forget to tag your posts like this ((tag: posterous, friendfeed)) in the subject line of your emails. That way your posts will be seen easier by all other Posterous users when they use the global posterous search.
- Svartling
Kol, yes I see.. I added it, I guess Twitter does not have anything but javascript and flash widgets.. It doesnt matter, since I autopost to twitter there is a button there..
- David Gross
from email
How do you all add the little twitter and friendfeed images with links to your profiles here on posterous. I don't know the code to do that. :( Help when u can.
- Amani
http://mylescrew.posterous.com/ Right now I'm just testing, the import from Blogger was REALLY easy. I'm trying to "port" BlurbBits (http://ff.im/4tlY2) to make them work better on posterous. The iframe style parameter gets removed, which is different than Blogger (there is *always* something).
- Chris Myles
Amani, the little images for twitter etc you get if you autopost to those sites but you might end up with duplicate posts that way. There is a friendfeed badge you can put in your posterous profile at http://friendfeed.com/embed... use the image format, not javascript.
- David Gross
from email
Check out Wayne Suttons Posterous (he posted his URL in this thread). You see that he has changed some colors. That is a private beta feature that is coming soon to the public.
- Svartling
http://lizasperling.posterous.com/ Thanks - you are making this a very helpful Sunday:) AND for those of you trying to embed other images, etc...I did it in my profie and mash in friendfeed, zemanta, gmail, wisestamp,etc..FUN - happy to help.
- Liza
YOU are a great example of engaging followers and using tools to help us connect in many other ways. THANK YOU.
- Liza
the usual: bigstarlet.posterous.com. I use it as alternative picture posting device to Pixelpipe and also as an alternative to Ping.fm. Thanks for subbing to me there, Kol. :)
- Hel Hel
@koltregaskes, my posterous is at http://alexschleber.posterous.com "Quick Hits Business Mindhacks". Had been using it quite a bit the first 6 months of this year. I'm a big fan of Garry & Sachin, but really wish posterous would hurry up with some of the much needed feature upgrades (skins and/or CSS, Retweet button - just use Tweetmeme, custom sidebar HTML, WYSIWIG bookmarklet, etc.) Seems like they're stalling a bit right now, no?
- Alex Schleber
They have to be careful not to mess with the simplicity of it, though; that's why so many people like it. If they tart it all up, it might as well just be Tumblr. Which already exists.
- Megen
from email
@koltregaskes weird that you're "what's your GReader/Posterous/FB?" entries from the last few days seem to presage in a way what happened today..
- Alex Schleber
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank God for this thread. I'm going to (slowly) subscribe to all the people I'm subbed to on FF. I have a hunch posterous is going to replace part of the puzzle for me. Thanks Kol.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I tried a post asking everyone to share their Google Reader shared items link, but I guess I don't have many followers. Maybe you can?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
My url is http://dave6.posterous.com I just tried out the "((nogallery))" feature that lets you post pictures not in gallery format by putting ((nogallery)) in email subject http://dave6.posterous.com/where-d... only problem is that it takes a while to load pictures if not using really high-speed internet.
- David Gross
from email
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- Mary Anne Davis
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- Mary Anne Davis
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- Mary Anne Davis
I took one (bad) computer science class in college, and I'm not a web developer. So in early 2008, when I decided I was finally going to build a web site I'd been fantasizing about for years, I was starting from scratch.
- Mary Anne Davis
The Actor model adopts the philosophy that everything is an actor. This is similar to the everything is an object philosophy used by some object-oriented programming languages, but differs in that object-oriented software is typically executed sequentially, while the Actor model is inherently concurrent.
- zeroinfluencer
This then relates to "Everyone is an Artist and Society is a Sculpture"? (Beuys)
- Mary Anne Davis
Yes, that's a good connection. The Actor Model looks at flow, Beuys looked at the spirit.
- zeroinfluencer
Was Beuys standing in a stream of creativity rather than being being a stream of production? His stance was so disliked by the established art businesses - be because he was a maker without a business model - his model was social, not production. Just a thought.
- zeroinfluencer
Is there a making of for this video? It's incredibly amazing...
- Rodrigo Leme
Very cool Zee, thanks for sharing : )
- Mark Harai
That is one awesome music video. It definitely shows its creative genius. I bet they didn't have to spend millions of dollars to make that unlike your typical corporate commercials.
- imabonehead
"I use ghostwriters because I want to provide as many interesting links as possible" -- there's something about that statement that I just don't agree with. If you are going to have four people writing, then each one of them should use their own twitter account. I don't want interesting links in Twitter, use a blog for that, or a lifestreaming service that's not named "GuyKawasaki". I love the guy, but I unfollowed him the moment I learned about this a few months back.
- Jorge Escobar
Guy is simply bringing it up yet again because he isn't getting any buzz right now. Whenever there is no buzz, he opens up the ghost writers can of worms. Credibility is non-existent with that. No engagement, no accountability. That screams old world/old media broadcast w/o interaction.
- Sheryl
UFM works well. It's been perfect for me. I actually enjoyed engaging with Guy, but once I had to filter Guy to figure out what was what, the return on effort overcame the value. Guy and I don't agree on how we manage our networks and I believe at some point he'll recognize how he's diminished his own value to the rest of us.
- Ken Camp
He says: "I follow everyone for two reasons: first, common courtesy..." after just having said he doesn't read the timelines of people who follow him. It would be more accurate to say he auto-follows because it is the minimum requirement to maintain an audience he wants to broadcast to in a medium that masquerades as interactive and "social".
- Sprague D
I'd love to know what Guy's strategy is, what are the data behind this? I, too have filtered out what he's (they) are tweeting about -- but is there a bigger picture here? To me, it's not Guy (the guy) tweeting but a brand, a company version of it, not a person version...
- Mark Evans
Mark: Then he should brand it that way, clearly, concisely. To do otherwise is to be dishonest. You know the difference, I know the difference, but how many are fooled or don't know? I would like to know his strategy too. The way I see it, my time is valuable too. I shouldn't have to play guessing games simply to see a stream of unconsciousness. :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: After reading his post I think he thinks it's one in the same. Guy's move may be an early sign of a bigger movement afoot toward leveraging (capitalizing on) personal branding as a business. I was a fly on the wall at dinner the other night listening to @chrissaad and SFAMA panelists discussing how to build a business around your name. We could soon see Guy LLC.
- Mark Evans
@Mark and I'm all for it. Look at how Stephen R. Covey did it 15 years ago. But what bugs me is using Twitter for it and naming the account "Guy Kawasaki"
- Jorge Escobar
"Personal branding" has been around since Jesus. What's new is having a medium that allows you to broadcast to large numbers of people (in some cases as many as you would get from a spot on a cable TV show) with zero cost, besides the minimal investment it takes to maintain the illusion of interaction and sociability.
- Sprague D
I don't get the point of ghostwriters in this kind of medium. His continuous link posting is just a manual StumbleUpon and doesn't add much of anything. Hell, I have a real job and I don't need a ghostwriter. Scoble, have you EVER considered hiring a ghostwriter to post links for you?
- Tyler Hurst
This creeps me out. During the first 10 minutes of Guy and Chris Anderson's talk at SXSW last March, I noticed Guy's Tweet stream was broadcasting, ahem, evangelizing brands. Ads. And he was talking about Free!!! What's up with that. Yuck.
- Mary Anne Davis
People get way too upset about Guy - it's as though everyone thinks they know better than Guy on something that works for him. Don't follow him if you don't agree with him - it's that simple! Seems like a waste of time to be criticizing his every move.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - really? You suggest that we don't critique people that we disagree with? Ignorance is the answer?
- Tyler Hurst
Jesse your comment is ironic given that what we're discussing is the *impersonality* of the Guy Kawasaki Experience. ;-) Truly I couldn't give a fig about the actual person (who I'll never know from Adam, anyway).
- Sprague D
Tyler you can do what you want. Seems like a waste of time to me. His Tweets don't affect me so he can do what he wants as far as I care. He does bring a lot of traffic to those he links to though. And frankly I find many of the links interesting. Criticizing in a thread he'll never see doesn't fix anything. But hey, do what you want - there are no rules here.
- Jesse Stay
Anything COULD be a waste of time to anyone else, Jesse. I watch sports, which is a waste of time to some people. I also discuss best/worst practices of social media use. Aren't conversations the entire point of this?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler, fine - I just don't see how it benefits anything or anyone. Keep doing it if you want though - that's just my own opinion. I'll ignore you from here on then. It's not something I want to see in my stream.
- Jesse Stay
You don't want conversations about how people use twitter? Didn't you respond to Louis Gray's post?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler, no, I don't - it's up to each individual. Unless you're sharing how *you* use Twitter there is no benefit. There's a difference between how you're talking here and how I'm talking - I'm talking to the actual individual I'm criticizing, because I want to warn you it's cluttering up my stream. You're just talking behind his back about something that will never change and he'll never see. I still have yet to see how that is productive, or beneficial to those reading your discussion.
- Jesse Stay
Talking behind his back? I've chatted with him about it before. He uses it one way, I use it another. I'm not trying to get HIM to change, I'm simply using his actions as catalyst to foster discussion on what we could all do to improve the experience. Again, if you didn't want to talk about this, why did you join in the convo? You wanted to share your opinion, right?
- Tyler Hurst
I joined because I wanted to share that I think this type of convo is spammy in and of itself. I don't want it in my stream. It's not that I don't want to talk about it - it's that I don't want to see it.
- Jesse Stay
So you want us to know that you don't like what we're talking about and that you'd rather not hear from us (or just me, I suppose)? Spammy? Really? That's a stretch.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler hmmm...I've heard Guy say the same response to what you guys are saying about him.
- Jesse Stay
Anyway, I'm hiding this conversation now. I've said all I need to say - carry on since you guys seem to have the time for it.
- Jesse Stay
While I don't agree with Kawasaki's tweeting strategy, I will note that he is not the first one to apply a personal name (in this case, his own) to a multi-person corporate enterprise. Hint: Abagail Van Buren, Ann Landers, Mickey Mouse, and Wendy Ward are not single entities. I think the reason that Kawasaki is treated differently is because there are prominent social media users that DO write everything personally (e.g. Robert Scoble).
- John E. Bredehoft
Interesting how Guy Kawasaki is the featured user on Jesse Stay's company website (SocialToo) right now.
- Tyler Hurst
John - YES. The barrier is gone for mass publishing now. I'm certainly not saying Guy Kawasaki should stop though, I just don't agree with it.
- Tyler Hurst
The great part of this project is meeting new people - who have an interest in the various aspects of the project. Friendfeed makes it brilliant to discover people - as most of us have accounts on various web services. Introduce yourselves here, and we'll all have a richer conversation in the near future.
- zeroinfluencer
Andy, UK, sysadmin, tech geek, long time sci-fi fan (Dick, Stephenson, Gibson probably my top three), constantly excited about what the future is going to bring. Purefold, bring me some more excitement :-)
- Andy Bold
I'm interested, but wary. Convince me that this isn't a great marketing exercise with no substance. I like the theme of 'what it is to be human'. But this alone does not suggest a great narrative. I for one would directly like to know what the initial stories are and how you plan to communicate these to an audience. BTW I've got a lot of ideas in this department, so if you need some input, let me know.
- Johnny Blank
Johnny, I think that this is 100% a marketing exercise. If I understand correctly, an opportunity to ask various interested parties from all over the world "If /this/ existed, what would you do with it?" Create some media along the way that tells a story and include subtle product placement. Now this is out of the way, tell us something about yourself :-)
- Andy Bold
I was waiting for intros from the Purefold folks before posting mine, David? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Andy, I'm a simple storyteller looking to communicate meaningful messages to an audience. I like to keep a childlike naivety while making a living and contributing to social change too ;-) You can find out more about me at www.johnnyblank.com.
- Johnny Blank
Johnny, a man of mystery, a cipher. I think you will fit right in ;-) Great site as well :)
- Andy Bold
i'm interested in anything that throws things out of kilter a bit, stuff that helps people come together to create stuff that might be of interest to others and the stuff the future holds for us in terms of the ways in which we can outsource our vital faculties. that and i'm working on an offshoot project from purefold which should enable filmmakers to re-imagine purefold in a community setting, more on that if it all goes ahead.
- Mike Laurie
Hello, I've been playing around with online indentities for a couple of years now. I'm interesting in telling stories and making characters. I'm currently working on Daniel.
- Marcus Brown
I'm a 23-year-old student majoring in both Human Centered Design and Engineering & Materials Science and Engineering. As a huge fan of new media and independent storytelling, Purefold instantly caught my eye as a project with massive potential. Can't wait to see what's coming!
- John Porter
Thanks Kol. I'm a service designer with a passion for free culture. My work prior to creating the Purefold concept was with the UK Broadcaster, Channel 4 TV (I developed the large non Channel4.com properties such as ClipBank for schools, FourDocs for the Documentary communities and 4Laughs - the first was sold, the later where disbanded by the broadcaster - as I predicted - they failed...
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- zeroinfluencer
Mike, St.Petersburg, Russia - been tinkering with computers since 1986, and with computer networks from 1990 (BBSes, then Fidonet, etc and so on), network engineering, system administration... you know how it goes. Ingested a heavy dose of (translated, back then (and there were good translations at that time, too, most of the contemporary ones are atrociously bad)) sci fi while growing...
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- Michael Bravo
Hi, I'm a level designer for a computer games company in the West Midlands UK with 12 years experience. My background is in fine art and I have a broad but shallow range of skill sets and knowledge bases as my occupation dictates. I write science fiction in my spare time but I'm yet to spawn anything fierce enough to release into the wild as yet.
- Graham Sergeant
I'm currently an unemployed contractor. For the last few years I've been working in the telecoms industry doing all the data-related work for rollout and upgrade projects. Before that I spent many a happy year in the computer games industry, working along side Adam: http://friendfeed.com/smallan... and Graham: http://friendfeed.com/jouzta at the Bitmap Brothers and previous to that...
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- Kol Tregaskes
Oh and up until now I've been a huge FriendFeed/social media addict but sadly that will be put aside for the next few weeks at least while I concentrate on finding a desperately needed job, get back into my photography and hopefully a long over due redo of my web sites. But I'm here to help anyone with FriendFeed and the like if needed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm a writer and musician, based in London - writing science fiction, fantasy and poetry (recent publications in Interzone, Black Static and Postscripts), vocals with ambient metallers Graan. Professionally, I'm a copywriter and brand strategist - worked at Imagination (where I met David), Jack Morton and Corporate Edge on brands including Vodafone, Ericsson, Nokia, Sony, Shell and...
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- Al Robertson
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- Mary Anne Davis
Seth Godin outlines some problems with showing the audience too much ahead of time: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b... "Does a magician put on a better show if you know how his tricks are done? Do you want to see how your dinner was made, farm to plate? Really?"
This is one of the questions that WRTJ raised - how do you do cliffhangers and reveals in collaboratively scripted projects? http://robmyers.org/weblog... (Formatting died a bit, grrr...)
- Rob Myers
from email
Dialogue, expression, art direction & pace. A great director will transcend the script.
- zeroinfluencer
(Not saying the 2 directors in WRTJ didn't - btw!)
- zeroinfluencer
so i've been following a lot of the dicussions around what might be happening in abc's lost next season. there are thousands of possibilities but the real joy is in finding out which was chosen. i'm presuming that people who collaborate by submitting ideas will always just be speculating and providing inspiration. of the thousands of suggestions i guess nobody knows until the scriptwriters finally choose their route.
- Mike Laurie
also, love seeing other people make dinner, makes it taste all the better.
- Mike Laurie
The dinner metaphor is great. Indeed, restaurants with exposed kitchens make for a better dining experience.
- zeroinfluencer
It doesn't matter if you can see your dinner being made, or it's made behind closed doors. The proof is in the pudding :-)
- Johnny Blank
I think what Seth is getting at with the food production metaphor is the corralling, stunning, slaughter, bleeding and butchery of livestock. Something our culture tends to keep partitioned away. Unlike say tribal cultures where livestock is slaughtered ceremonially the central area of the village with everyone in attendance including young children.
- Graham Sergeant
It's a debate between transparency and closed doors. I get it. Either way, it still comes down to the message you are trying to communicate. Both ways have their advantages or disadvantages. If you come from the point of the story first, then whichever way you deliver your message will be appropriate to your story :-)
- Johnny Blank
Mystery is at the heart of storytelling. Information and transparency are counter to mystery and are therefore the enemies of storytelling. I consider this to be one of the biggest problems that Purefold's creative teams have to solve, hence my sharing Seth's blog post.
- Graham Sergeant
Columbo tells you whodunnit at the start of each episode...
- Rob Myers
from email
I appreciated this post by Seth as well. Yes, Purefold is tripping on some interesting territory upstarting the whole keep your cards close to the chest until launch. But, David and Tom have held on a long time before launching it. What I think is peeking at the edges here is putting the art of the story into the hands of the viewer, to what extent, we shall see. Collaboration on a...
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- Mary Anne Davis
Hi Rob, good point. Columbo is a howdunnit spin on the whodunnit. The mystery that unfolds as each episode progresses is the how of the crime and the how of the solving.
- Graham Sergeant
Hi Mary Anne, have you seen JJ Abrams' TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch... he illustrates perfectly the importance of holding back key information until the right moment. Remember the Cloverfield viral? It was only viral because it generated a need to know because it did not reveal what had decapitated Liberty. If the need to know is sated, the virus is cured before it can infect. This is problematic.
- Graham Sergeant
Hi Graham- Many fine lines here, clearly. That's what is interesting. Great talk by Abrams. Thanks for that. BTW, I suspect there will be a relatively small group actually participating in the development of stories, most people like to watch and buy, not so much build. Again, more will be revealed.
- Mary Anne Davis
True-- Ag8 projects a 1:9 ratio of active to passive audience members. The problem arises when the 90% who do not produce enter or overhear spoiler conversations, or recieve spoilers in their news feed that have originated from the active 10%. Perhaps a cabal-like conspiratorial silence needs to be fostered amongst the few. Misdirection could also be employed to throw people of the scent.
- Graham Sergeant
ooh, ooh, cabal-like conspiratorial silence! Loving the sound of that! David?
- Mary Anne Davis
Transparency can be used as misdirection, because the truth has no shadow. The storyteller does may not lie but an audience wants to believe more than what is being said. Human perception overflows any narrative vessel, and thus empathy, as a condition, (it's not a feeling), produces conflicts that require narrative responses. Explaining ourselves to each other is something that...
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- zeroinfluencer
Constructing allegorical vignettes to expose the problems that of historical based narratives have on perception is key to constructing 'experiential' truths. http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencol...
- zeroinfluencer
Seth is advising opacity and deception, to play the trickster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) in order to whet the appetite and sell the sleight of hand necessary for our willing suspension of disbelief when we listen to the storyteller, who we then permit to move us to experience what Joseph Campbell calls "fundamental transcendental truthes". Expositional deconstructionist...
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- Graham Sergeant
Opting for the type of narrative and truthes that expositional deconstructionist tactics deliver may solve your transparency problems but at the cost of moving the audience.
- Graham Sergeant
Hey Mary - I hope not - it was a mess. They chopped my presentation from a reasonable 30mins to 9 minutes.
- zeroinfluencer
You'll have to do it again, properly. Love to see.
- Mary Anne Davis
There's the btween talk on Ag8.com/purefold and my presentation to the Edinburgh Film Festival (Power to the Pixel sessions) should be live soon too. On all occasions, the time left for the audience to ask questions was too short - Purefold has so many implications across many topics (marketing, editorial, production, funding, technology, product development) that is is really hard to give an audience an overview - what it needs is interrogations.
- zeroinfluencer
One of my favorite subjects - the Science Fiction Singularity - this weird zone where predictions made in Sci-Fi movies rapidly become ridiculously outdated (or worse still, true) but... paradoxically, the rate of innovation of predicted technologies (like solar-on-everything, cell-phone-projectors, all manner of robotics) seems glacially slow.
I wonder if the slowness of innovation is a stubborn need for each of us to avoid making stuff. Making stuff, lots of it, is no easy task. Then disseminating the ideas, the need, then distribution, the list goes on. Also known as enterprise, which historically has been a little overly focused on money only. The shift in focus to broader bottom line (social, environmental) will tip the scale. I am interested in how enterprise will be affected by it. Purefold, that is.
- Mary Anne Davis
You can't make an innovation like you buy a sixpack of beers in a shop. Innovation remains a complex process with its usual burden of unexpected problems, glitches, illusions, wrong paths, mistakes, etc...
- skylendar
Btw, is a faster processor a real innovation ???
- skylendar
I read Orwell's 1984 in 1984 and it didn't represent the world I lived in or one that I could imagine happening in the future. I re-read it last year and it very accurately described Britain in early 21st century. It's important to remember that as a society we can move backwards as well as forwards.
- Oskar Werner
"as a society we can move backwards as well as forwards" -- that is scarily true! Good point Oskar
- Graham Sergeant
You should also consider that at the moment, and in a sizeable chunk of "foreseeable" future, there is no homogeneous global society. What an average person in USA or UK takes for granted, for millions is an unachievable future, and for other millions might not be even something they want to have.
- Michael Bravo
Benjamin Zander has two infectious passions: classical music, and helping us all realize our untapped love for it -- and by extension, our untapped love for all new possibilities, new experiences, new connections.
- My Name is Daniel
from Bookmarklet
Loved this. Have been thinking about non stop since I saw it. Thank you, Daniel. ;)
- Mary Anne Davis
When art and commerce are mentioned in the same sentence, many people become bad tempered or think something needs fixing. This paper argues that more artists ought to make more money more often. HBS professor Robert Austin and theater dramaturg Lee Devin identify and undermine three fallacies about art and commerce, and suggest that it is necessary to carry on a more careful and less emotional conversation about the tensions between art and business and to overcome a general aversion to business common among artists and their patrons. They also stress the need to develop better theories about how art and commerce can achieve integration helpful to both.
- Mary Anne Davis
Bubblegeneration, bubble generation, is a website about corporate strategy, business strategy, business models, innovation, venture capital, and theory from gurus like Michael Porter and Gary Hamel
- Mary Anne Davis
"Purefold is described as an “open media franchise” and has the rather grand aim of answering “what does it mean to be human?” But the short, inter-linked, sci-fi styled films are real and will be created by RSA’s global pool of directors—and the film-makers will use the web as their inspiration, taking chatter from FriendFeed and turning it into plotlines and dialogue. The clips will be distributed via YouTube on a Creative Commons basis."
- zeroinfluencer
from Bookmarklet
sign me up as the official dish provider. ;) You have to eat!
- Mary Anne Davis
Hey Mary! I'm looking forward to seeing Purefold Ceramics! (and thanks for all your listening over these past months - you have been an inspiration.)
- zeroinfluencer
Do you still read stuff if it didn't come in "real-time" via Twitter or Friendfeed? Or, do you now ignore the "slow" channels like rss feeds? Question comes to mind after noticing that I'm getting more and more traffic from near real-time sources: http://friendfeed.com/vanelsa...
I still read print media! Sometimes a month or two old! And I am now reading Moby Dick, written, what, 150 years ago? Twitter and FF just add to the soup. :) Re. RSS, I prefer blogs in my inbox. I still don't feel comfortable with a reader. Maybe I eagerly fill it up too much. ;)
- Mary Anne Davis
Mary Anne. There is nothing wrong with slow information consumption ;-) But I am noticing that if something doesn't get picked up immediately it will get picked up less often. So it seems 'real-time' is becoming more important.
- Alexander van Elsas
Real-time is sort of a misnomer when it comes to getting information. Take a look at how 24-hour cable news networks handle the constant stream of information: if something happens at 9am and you're not watching, it doesn't mean you'll never see it. Instead, they'll keep repeating the story over and over every hour to make sure everyone sees it. Some people are adapting to that online:...
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- Mark Trapp
I think what's more important is the discussion: can I talk to my friends in real-time about a topic or piece of news? If so, the real-time requirement is met. In most cases, it doesn't matter that the news came in real-time.
- Mark Trapp
I still read in "slow" channels like rss feeds. real time may be good for instant traffic or quick information but for RSS feeds will continue to have a valuable roll in our information learning and sharing
- Wayne Sutton
No, I'm just momentarily hooked on FF. That'll change. It happens all the time in this here life.
- Ton Zijp
"Real time" is useful for discovering stuff i wouldn't normally read. "slow" channels are useful for stuff i already know i am going to want to read.
- coffee
@Mark I totally agree with you. My own traffic is however slowly showing a changing pattern. And while my blog is small and not representable for the web, it did make me wonder if people are using rss-readers or other 'snail' methods to read information. Do other people notice that trend too in their blog traffic sources?
- Alexander van Elsas
Ton, Peter C, does that mean that you are also spending more time in these 'near real-time' channels? Otherwise you would miss stuff that passes by?
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: interesting. Do you see an increase and sharp drop-off right after a story hits a real-time network? Or is it steady? Do you see spikes when stories get shared long after the article is published, or do subsequent shares not matter (since the news is stale)? There used to be a number of people talking about FriendFeed as an RSS replacement, which would indicate that even...
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- Mark Trapp
@Mark I can't tell how it spreads over time (unless I watch my stats real time, and I don't do that). But I do notice that if it does get picked up immediately the wave is simply larger. It builds up speed and momentum (especially within Twitter). If it doesn't get picked up fast, it seems that it also draws less attention in slower channels like rss readers. Could be the quality of the post, but this pattern seems to happen more often
- Alexander van Elsas
Ah, I see what you're saying. I've noticed that anecdotally on my own stuff. I think the solution, assuming you wanted to figure out how to use that to your advantage, is the cable news model to reshare it or stagger your shares over time: like share it to Twitter at 9am, FriendFeed at 10am, Digg at 11am, etc. to catch people who didn't see it the first time. If the story isn't breaking news, and the person hasn't seen it already, re-shared news is still news!
- Mark Trapp
I always read my RSS feeds. And I rarely read Twitter unless it's via search or FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
@Mark, actually, I am not really trying to form a strategy to get more readers. Just noticing the trend. I could easily increase traffic if I would always use PST timezones when I publish. However, I tend to write in the morning, and I don't want to keep the post waiting until the end of the day when California wakes up. I write it and I want to get it out there. Makes me feel good ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
@Louis but do you find yourself spending more and more time looking at your FF real-time interface? Can you still do what you do by using RSS only?
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: I think you can get it out whenever you want, but what are the implications of the trend? Not all information is time-sensitive: analysis requires time between the event and the write-up. Shouldn't important information be available when an individual wants it? If people are using real-time more than queued systems, it seems like the natural progression for non-breaking is a...
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- Mark Trapp
@Mark, true, that is why I personally still rely on 'slow' consumption. But I am hesitating a lot to start republishing or drawing attention more than once for a post through the day. There seems to be enough opportunities (and echo) to pick it up
- Alexander van Elsas
And more importantly. I don't want to be 'enslaved' by any service that would drag me in and force me to watch 'real-time' info pass by in order not to miss anything. It would be tempting, take up way too much of precious time, and end up not being very relevant at all ( I tried, and didn't care enough). So now I dive in whenever I feel like it, and leave again when I need to do more important stuff
- Alexander van Elsas
not necessarily. i scan twitter to see what people are chatting about, and follow specific people there and on friend feed because i have liked what they shared in the past (or i like what they write and want to know what they are reading). but i used to use twitter more when the signal to noise ration was higher and real conversations were possible.
- coffee
I still read books (recently bought a Kindle) and recently also have picked up on Google Reader again. Why? Not everyone is on Twitter and FriendFeed, and as much as I'd like it to be different, I'm still missing out on lots of good thoughts if I don't attend to other information channels. Maybe things would change if literally every blogger was on Twitter (or Friendfeed) I might use that as a primary source then instead of Reader.
- Meryn Stol
Using peeps on Twitter and FriendFeed as a "filter" (compensating for the fact that not everyone is one these services) is a nice idea, but then someone has to do the digging - that is, post links to content from people not on these services. I still haven't found a good set of filters that result in a high enough signal-to-noise ratio.
- Meryn Stol