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Chargers coach Darren Lehmann likes to keep things simple - http://www.clt20.com/feature...
Article which talks about Darren Lehmann's role in reversing the fortunes of the Chargers, from a side that finished at the bottom of the league in IPL-2008 to a team that conquered IPL-2009.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
Incan Empire Aided by Global Warming: Discovery News - http://dsc.discovery.com/news...
Will we see another empire rising with the present Global Warming?
- Mahesh Patwardhan
from Bookmarklet
Twitter Debuts New Homepage - http://mashable.com/2009...
Twitter enters the search game in a serious way!
- Mahesh Patwardhan
from Bookmarklet
Microsoft, Yahoo Said To Close Search Deal -- InformationWeek - http://www.informationweek.com/news...
So Yahoo is pulling out of the search game to concentrate on Media and Sales?
- Mahesh Patwardhan
from Bookmarklet
Edge: MAPPING THE NEANDERTHAL GENOME - A Conversation With Svante Pääbo - http://www.edge.org/3rd_cul...
A very interesting note (very long) on the neanderthal genome
- Mahesh Patwardhan
Do you think that Indian IT Organizations are ready to take on Web 2.0 Strategy Consulting as part of their portfolios?
I feel that the Indian Corporate sector is still very wary of using Social Media as an Internet channel for marketing. I would like your opinions on this and feedback on which IT companies/Digital agencies offer these services.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
Three separate people today asked me to stop trying to get the masses onto friendfeed. Turns out there are a lot of people who liked friendfeed when it was "uncool" better. I think friendfeed is going to disappoint these users long term as it goes more mainstream.
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Isn't Identica for the "uncool" people?
- Jesse Stay
Everything changes, get used to it...we are so reluctant to change (I'm generalizing of course)
- Owen Greaves
If these users are worried about the masses coming to FriendFeed, they are using it wrong. The user controls who they see.
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: I think they know that they can't resist adding too many people and are worried that vapid people who are marketing stuff to them will come here. Plus there are early adopters who like using new things before everyone else is. Louis Gray wrote about the stages of adoption products go through. I have to find that.
- Robert Scoble
The beauty of friendfeed is the filter system and groups/lists. With the masses arriving, at least it will be easy to shape your own experience, whether you want to hear from the masses or not.
- Andrew VanderVeen
I expect you're talking about: http://louisgray.com/live... , Robert.
- Ken Kennedy
I also disagree with that statement too. Friendfeed is a content distributions system. A year ago the content I saw here was much geekier than it is today. We are not really in total control of what we see, particularly in search here.
- Robert Scoble
I see no threatening masses approaching. They're still way behind, and to be honest, just embracing Twitter. Hmm, maybe why I'm loathing Twitter of late.
- Mo Kargas
Robert is the geekiness still there only mixed up with a lot of other things or has the content gone away?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: it's mixed up with a lot of other things. I've found as this has happened I've become much more adept with lists (friend management) and filters (saved searches). I don't mind the impending masses, I see ways I'll deal with them a lot better here than I can on Twitter, but some people really like the intimacy of services that aren't yet popular.
- Robert Scoble
Mo: the Twittering masses are joining here at a pretty nice clip. I'm getting about 1,000 new followers a week. Those are numbers I didn't see on Twitter until it was a year older than friendfeed is.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah... Hipsters will be hipsters. My flag is planted very firmly in this piece of ground here so, yeah. I'm staying
- Johnny Worthington
@Robert 1000 a week! Hmm, I'm of two minds now. One part is happy that fresh faces are joining, the covetous part is not. I guess that's the intimacy thing you feel.
- Mo Kargas
I need to understand ff better
- Bo Lora
I look forward to more people - the more that come the more useful it will be for learning and networking. I love this place.
- Robert Freeze
As long as we don't get spamers over here
- Robert Freeze
Perhaps these are the same people who were upset that real people infiltrated USENET too, Robert.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Friendfeed ROCKS, bring on the new users... The more the merrier!
- John Serra
If the community here wants to keep the community the size it is now, FriendFeed will die and the community will not be here any more. Growth is necessary for survival. This is not your toy. So Robert (and all of you???), keep it up.
- Louis Gray
They thought the same thing about putting more transistors on a chip in the Sixties, that it would become hotter and unstable. Turned out it was just the opposite, the more they put on there, the closer they put them together, the cooler they ran and more efficiently they ran. Thank you Quantum Dynamics.
- Stephen Pickering
So, does this mean that the more people who join FF, the hotter Scoble gets? I think I'll bolt the second he gets into borat-slingshot-land.
- Wirehead
No, the more people, using the transistor analogy, the cooler and more productive he'll run!
- Stephen Pickering
But the internet is not Facebook, Twitter, or FriendFeed. The internet is YOU. The internet is a fiber optic cable to your home. The internet is last mile gigabit connections. The technology is there, but not the investment. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed are things you get when there is a dearth of connectivity. People cling to bells and whistles. We need wide and dumb, not narrow and smart. This is a communications revolution, or its suppossed to be.
- Stephen Pickering
Don't think FF will catch on in the same way as Twitter because it's more of a closed system. Creating community is more critical here. You can't just follow 2000 people and expect anyone to read your feed. Much slower to get connected here.
- Peggy Dolane
Peggy - Slower and harder, but more rewarding
- Stephen Pickering
<inserting a comment here so someone does quote The Office>
- Micah Wittman
Creating a community is more critical if community is what you seek. I don't see how it's an argument that ff is more or less of a closed system.
- Micah Wittman
Ryo - its out there, go and get it!
- Stephen Pickering
Micah It's only more closed in the sense that's a steeper learning curve, but technically FF is way more open.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, steep learning curve is an understatement! And knowing how hard some people have in figuring out how to use @, RT & DM on Twitter, another reason the "masses" will be slow to get involved over here.
- Peggy Dolane
Yes, it will be slower, but more "sticky" Shakespeare is harder than John Grisham or Angels and Demons but MUCH more rewarding
- Stephen Pickering
OK, bed. I'll leave the infighting to the A-listers and their number of followers, uniques, ROI, and clever "search" monetizations. Night.
- Stephen Pickering
i'm generalising here. aside from the learning curve, i don't think the general public has the paradigm shift to understand the likes of friendfeed and other services similar to it until they experience more of the likes of twitter. the need and usage has to be made more apparent. other than trying to find the next popular thing, they may not get it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I still need to get the hang of friendfeed... i have configured the publish to twitter part for feeds that are pulled in from my other services but it doesnt seem to be working... wonder what I could be doing wrong...the realtime feeds are cool..
- Mahesh Patwardhan
It doesn't matter. It has that "it just works" feature. It's useful. It's fun. It's valuable. They will come, and the power of the network is the number of users squared, so I hope everyone in the World comes. Thinking of my above comment, if enough critical mass joins these services, and it has at Facebook, that puts a pressure on last mile fiber to the home (FTTH) to come to fruition. So its all good. :)
- Stephen Pickering
That would pretty well fit with early adopter syndrome, we did twitter, moved to friendfeed, but I don't know if there is a place to go after friendfeed. Who ever is next has to come up with something truly compelling. That alone will be interesting to see "whats next" as more folks crowd into FriendFeed.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Whatever happens will happen. You can't place limits on a social application.
- Rob Record
If you feel a tingling sensation that means it's working.
- Jay Cuthrell
from BuddyFeed
Robert, you keep talking about your saved searches. Do you mind sharing them with us?
- George Iordanou
Robert, in a discussion elsewhere on FriendFeed I referred to it as the Twitterization of FriendFeed. When the marketers and others figure out how to use FriendFeed for thier own purposes FriendFeed begin to take on many of the qualities that people complain about with Twitter. The noise level will go up and the ability to follow any particular thread will become more difficult.
- Paul
from twhirl
Robert, if geekier content is what one seeks, then perhaps something like Ning is a better option where the social network is more highly controlled. If reducing the noise is the goal, and Friendfeed's lists and groups aren't sufficient (I'm convinced they are enough), then why don't these users stick with Facebook where people tend to keep their information less public and befriend...
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- John
Paul, I think what will happen is that we'll spend more time deleting off-topic comments and blocking spammers. I wouldn't call it "Twitterization" because you can't delete off-topic comments there, and blocking someone on Twitter doesn't help anyone but yourself.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
...pronoid paranoic 'media activists' are stressed that ff is a beacon for google-lockheed ; twitter is a good hammer for microblog PR imo though. It's lame, that not more kewl people and DJs/VJs at ff, instead more lame-bores and marketingHoaxers at twitter ; http://twitter.com/ewing2001 aka nicohauptstrasse aka nicolumbia http://www.youtube.com/user... aka ... ;)-
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Bruce, you miss my point. I am talking about the crush of numbers that will come with FriendFeed becoming more mainstream. FriendFeed as it is now is fine. But as the number of users grow threads will become much more difficult to follow and participate. Even with the ability to delete and block do you really think that you are going to be able to weed out the noise you will get from Twitter like numbers?
- Paul
from twhirl
I love when more real people get on the service. It's when the when the marketing machines try to tap the mass for their own financial gain that I get frutstrated. Twitter has been over run. Facebook seems to have been able to hold the machine back a little. We'll see what FriendFeed does.
- ChiliMac
If you want FriendFeed search to be relevant, you need a good cross section of internet users. i don't want to see a velvet rope and bouncer....
- Mike Nencetti
I think FF will adjust for higher participation rates. Already they shade the voice bubbles for comments by people you subscribe to. Your subscription lists and hides will control noise, possibly in new ways.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Echoing Andrew's point - FF seems to be well designed to maintain good signal to noise even as the masses join. I'd say they need to do some work to make the controls easier to use, but I trust that they understand the importance of this.
- Robin Barooah
Robert: Don't stop encouraging people. The 'mainstream' contains hundreds of millions of people I am not interested in, and probably thousands who I would love to discover. If you bring them in, maybe FriendFeed will help me to discover them.
- Robin Barooah
while some are anticipating the next friendfeed entity we shouldn't overlook that these known and established services are dynamic. the next big thing may be a catalytic change within an existing service or set of services.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
John, the Ning idea is a sound one, the problem is how many different social media sites can any one person maintain? FF feels like Twitter did last year -- intimate, friendly... mostly because it allows people to follow a smaller group of people or join in a smaller conversation like this one. The wall we are hitting is size -- social media works best in small scale with thought leaders. But it is NOT a way to broadcast or communicate with the masses.
- Peggy Dolane
I'd rather have more people come over to FriendFeed means more people to interact with and more people to to discover interesting content off.
- Nicholas James
And then Oprah will join and we'll all move on to the next big thing. Pity.
- David Eedle
David: Means you'll have a long time to wait...she took a long time to finally get Twitter - it was already "mainstream" before she joined ;)
- Nicholas James
I think Louis put it best: "Growth is necessary for survival" This could not be more correct. If we look at our economy we see this is the case. If we look at our families, this is the case (if the family doesn't grow more members, eventually it will die out). Our favorite services are no different. Our challenge is to ensure that the people running our favorite social media services do so in a way that promotes our mutual need for growth.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Real time in real time - http://qik.com/video/1622325
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WOW! Realtime in FriendFeed for you, Robert, looks like a stock ticker. Thanks for sharing the video.
- Alexander Grundner
Robert, my friendfeed doesn't load THAT fast.. ;) But I do love the real time feed!
- Daynah
Real Time FTW!
- TheHenry
Robert that video was awesome to watch. That setup is amazing. You get your audience involved, respond and recognize them. Changing the game each and every day.
- Geoff Farinha
from Nambu
I can only hear the audio - there is no video...what could be the problem?
- Mahesh Patwardhan
Mahesh: do you have the latest Flash player.
- Robert Scoble
No love for flash 10.0 r22 on linux. Black video. :(
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
BTW, the embed shows black with audio, and the link to qik.com shows the video but no audio. How odd.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
How many eyeballs do you have?
- Craig Brownell
Steve, the audio on the Qik site works fine for me. I do get black on the embedded version - guess I need a flash upgrade.
- Laura Norvig
The video was blank for me here as well. Using Windows XP with Google Chrome [updated today]. Was able to watch on the Qik site. Great video Robert ;)
- David Damore
I'm getting blank video. Only audio. OS X/Safari.
- Diego Barros
I have the latest flash player... theres still no video here.. however I can watch it on the qik.com site.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
No video in there.
- Alex Sauceda
Also black video on the embed here.
- EricaJoy
If you use the Qik link instead you won't see the blank video. I think the problem is on the FF side.
- Alexander Grundner
I'm torn between thinking - "that is awesome" and "what's the point?". For Scoble it makes sense as his job depends on keeping up with all this and commentating on it. For the rest of us, not so sure this realtime river of news is really where the future is taking us.
- Barak B
Love this video. You gave me an idea on utilizing feeds on a vertical screen
- Thomas Chai
Apparently, Scoble either wastes his time watching 3 friendfeed columns instead of writing a new book or revising Naked Conversations (in real time) OR he just showed us how the job looks like for some community managers.
- Michael Jung
Amazing how many posts come in. More data than the NYSE.
- Bill Hertzing
when i grow up i want to be a geek like Scoble
- daniela barbosa
You'd have to become a child to be more like Scoble :) His child like wonder is his trademark
- Chris Saad
cool! :-)
- Luca Conti
serious overload. i'd tune it all out. it's too much.
- Don Martelli
Don: of course it's too much, but that's why my list of searches grows by about five every day. I want to have the best list of geeky searches in the industry.
- Robert Scoble
This is fun to watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Alejandro
...Scoble, i am as realtime nuts as u with 65 soc news monitors therefore it irritates me that the new friendfeed doesn't allow realtime button-refresh twitter updates into the feed - or i was too stupid to find the icons. it also s*ks that u cant add all u old icons to make automatic refreshes in case there is some glitch. anyone else can help out in case scoble is busy ?
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I read somewhere that Scoble singe-handedly save (or something to that effect) FF. Now I can see how. Thanks for sharing this. Btw, I also got black screen here, but fine video in Qik, using OSX/Firefox.
- waraney rawung
ewing: I have no idea what you are asking for. Tweets come here within seconds. Seems real time to me, why do you need a button update?
- Robert Scoble
Darth Scoble is more machine than man now.
- Rolf Schewe
interesting.. Scoble is watching the world in his war room.. :D
- Pico Seno
Proves once again how sorely track (realtime search alerts) is lacking. The setup as it is now is better divided between right and left eye serving corresponding brain hemispheres. The streams then should be tweaked in accordance with brain hemisphere functional/cognitive asymmetry; the result would be hyper-realtime web/personality blend leading to eventual zombiefication and madness :-)
- Mindaugas Dagys
That's amazing, that's the reason why you're the best at what you do. Thank you for sharing that video, Robert.
- Diego Espinoza V.
Can someone please tell us how to setup the Twitter stream like Robert has?? I want to set that up sooo bad.
- Jeff
Looks like Nambu on the Mac doesn't it??
- Kim Flintoff
from twhirl
Jeff: You turn an Apple monitor sideways. YOu open up three different Safari or other browser windows. You stretch those windows to look like my screen. You point them at various Tweet streams.
- Robert Scoble
I guess this is not live and you are saying what are you seeing here LOL I am seeing a black screen :o(
- David Gross
David: not live. It works here. Do you have the latest Flash player?
- Robert Scoble
hmm.. didnt work in Chrome, doesnt work in IE, I havent installed Firefox yet LOL
- David Gross
Wow that's crazy quick!
- Kevin Whalen
yes, have latest flash, would not play in friendfeed but when I clicked on link it worked on the qik site
- David Gross
I watched half of it till I started getting dizzy and shut it off LOL dont know how you do it Robert.. I guess gradually you can. ever use Pocketwit? LOL you would miss 90% of tweets.
- David Gross
btw I would like a windows mobile app for friendfeed or website :o)
- David Gross
Wow, that is so cool. Watching the long monitor is very hypnotic
- Asgeir
Seth Godin is the top social media blogger? Give me a break. He doesn't participate. Chris Brogan wins in my view. - http://www.noop.nl/2009...
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I think that Seth is the top marketer blogger.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
although as you said he doesn't participate.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
i think its based on a number of stats Scoble, rather than participation. But of course, i'm just pleased we're in the top 20 of the list :)
- Zee.
Zee: stats are lies.
- Robert Scoble
well they make me feel good :)
- Zee.
Zee: Seth Godin is a great guy, great author, great speaker, very well known, etc. But no way is he the top social media blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Like Godin's insight but he isnt regular enough. Also really like Jeremiah!
- Richard Zeidel
I subscribe to Seth's blog and have yet to figure out why there is such a fuss about him. Chris seems to put more effort into his posts and write things of significance.
- Chris Luckhardt
lol but what do u mean with the stats zee?
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Often attributed to Mark Twain: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
- CAJ, somewhere else
have you subscribed to us yet Scoble? Would love you to give us a chance for a couple of weeks. Think you'll be highly impressed
- Zee.
Seth is good for those little sparks that get your own thinking going. But yeah, wouldn't put him in the top SM blogger category.
- Virante
Richard: yeah, Jeremiah should be in top two or three yet. Zee: I'm following you here on friendfeed, is that what you mean?
- Robert Scoble
sorry i mean at TheNextWeb.com - check out our recent content, i'm sure you'll be impressed.
- Zee.
Zee: what's the friendfeed URL?
- Robert Scoble
If you turn off comments (engagement) and blog about engagement (with comments off) then you get lots of linketylinks (Google love) in. Helps with those stats :)
- Laurel Papworth
@virante agree with you. I think Seth is more intellectual from Brogan and he is not social media blogger. And I don't say that Brogan isn't great! In fact, he is!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Love your post. I stopped following Seth a while ago for the same reason. He does not participate in the conversation. He writes posts high above from the mountain of Social Media Gods (SMG).
- John Flynn
http://friendfeed.com/thenext... and we have a group with content from all over here: http://friendfeed.com/the-nex... (nearly 6000 members)
- Zee.
The # of people he follows and learns from is an indicator as to his view of his role in the conversation...I mean monologue,
- Kevin Murray
In fact, thinking about it, it is hard to pick between Brogan and Owyang. I should have named both.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Great stuff, but Seth's not interested in conversation. Since that's the case, how can he possibly rate high in the social media space?
- Leo Bottary
I like the perspective Seth brings to Social Media, but I agree that he's not participating as much as others. How are we defining "top"?
- Joel Zehring
I think the behaviors of many people claiming to be the "best" of something will be monitored more closely now that FF is around ... I watch the number of people "these bloggers" subscribe to and watch for their participation ...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
methinks that Seth is not blogging about Social Media, but about marketing.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
That list doesn't seem particularly focused. Bunch of great sites there that don't seem SM to me. I can't believe they didn't run them past me first. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Joel: the blog that made this list is using popularity ranking algorithms. Judging people by popularity will take you down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is like God. He disappears for a long time then pops up with the old miracle. He's a good helicopter view of what's going on whilst people like Scobles and Chris Brogran are the day to day practioneers. You need both.
- Ross McMinn
Definitely Brogan is much better. I think Godin is miscategorized here. That said he's not conversing much in any space, just thinking out loud, which is great, but not so much social.
- Bailey McCann
I think we need universal portable influence metric - something peer mediated - micro celebrities need community validation.
- Richard Zeidel
Zee would be in the conversation. At least if I were having the conversation.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't even know Chris Brogan - maybe I should..
- Arnaldo M Pereira
I like it that Seth doesn't participate in everything. It makes it easier to follow him. Has anyone tried to email him or connect through his "Tribes" projects?
- Joel Zehring
what apostolos said. seth is marketing, not social media.
- James
Joel, that's like saying Chuck Nevitt is the best basketball player, because he's so easy to follow, cause most of the time he's on the bench, and the 3 minutes a season he got to play, he moved very slowly.
- Matthew DeVries
Arnaldo M Pereira: Check out Chris here ==> http://friendfeed.com/chrisbr... He's very active.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Exactly, Social Media and Seth Godin? WTF? And how come RWW team is not in the 1st three?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
lol +1 to Matthew
- Bailey McCann
I'd say Amber Mac would be up there, but I guess she's more like the little girl who gets every freakin new toy on the planet the day it comes out, tells everyone it's a great toy, then tosses it aside, and goes back to playing with movable type.
- Matthew DeVries
Good guy, but last I checked Seth doesn't even tweet!
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Ryan: we were on a radio show together and he told me he doesn't Tweet. I tried to get him on friendfeed and he didn't have any part of that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is tops in several areas....just not social media; not even close..I'm sure he would agree
- Daniel Kenney
agreed scoble.
- Ted Bradford II
Seth is definitely a top blogger..but because social media is about conversation, then you're right...others have a right to that honor.
- Bill Reichart
Seth is a snake oil salesman, but Chris Brogan sees him as a role model. I've predicted that Chris will be the first to Tweet from the Lincoln bedroom in the White House.
- paul mooney
Maybe they should call him the top social media spammer. He's broadcast-only. Woot for Chris Brogan though.
- Dave Saunders
+1 with taryn930
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Seth Godin uses email primarily to respond to people - he doesnt believe in the other media and he has explained that in some of his interviews. Chris Brogan on the other hand uses social media channels extensively and in my opinion should rank higher as a social media exponent.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
blogger or not.. moot question... is seth a good "social network" or "web2.0" (as much as i dislike that term!!!) media personality... *no* he's hardly a participant - he's more a "dictactor" - one way communication (mostly)... still worth reading i guess if you're into that sort of marketing guffy stuff (i'm only into technical stuff :) ...
- simran
I like Chris Brogan and Perry Belcher too!
- Vicki Z Lauter
I agree that Seth, smart as he is, is not representative of social media blogging. Having said that, what makes us so sure Chris Brogan, and I love Chris, Or Jeremiah, who I also love, are more engaged than Susie from Detroit? Because their numbers are higher hence the stats ranking. Why are their numbers higher? Because they're sort of viral. I often wonder how people become popular....
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- Sheryl
Chris Brogan I know about and I follow on Twitter and FF, I just Googled Seth Godin, wasn't sure who he was....
- Mike Nencetti
I don't feel like I should weigh in or anything, but I wanted you to know I'm listening and I'm here. I really love what Seth does. I read him religiously. He's NOT a social media blogger. He writes about marketing. That said, he writes about the part of social media that matters to me: how humans can be more human. So, to me, he's still #1, because he's writing about humans, and that's...
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- Chris Brogan
see what I was tolding ya? 1) Seth is not a social media blogger 2) both Chris and Seth are the best on what they do ;-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
For the record, Wolverine is the best at what he does. I'm just a working schlub.
- Chris Brogan
I like and respect what both Chris and Seth have to say tremendously. Not sure I care that much about who is the "top" blogger or whatever because either way I'm gonna keep reading their stuff and learning.
- Miguel Rodriguez
I do appreciate that Chris is present here (hi Chris!) and feel that his participation in "the discussion" adds another dimension to his insights. I wonder sometimes why Seth limits his interaction. When he's on camera being interviewed, such as by @loic most recently, he seems quite comfortable.. why that comfort doesn't extend to places like FF and twitter I am still scratching my head over.
- Miguel Rodriguez
Seth reminds me of Yoda, Chris reminds me of Obiwan. First one's cool, simple, philosophical, and ass-kicking. Second one's down to earth, practical, trained in highly useful Jedi stabs for day to day fights. Follow both, learn from both.
- waraney rawung
How would you classify Gary Vaynerchuck in the Marketing/Social Media environments?
- Owen Greaves
I watched a video of Seth essentially saying that much of social networking is superficial. http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009...
- Angela
waraney - I think you nailed it :-)
- PXLated
I had an interesting connection w/ Seth. Back when I was doing Biznik Live interviews, Seth's answer was to ask about our listener numbers. ("10k gets my attention"...Understandable from a guy who is #5 in Google out of 3 billion hits for "blog") However, when I sent him a video of Bizniks discussing Tribes, he liked that & agreed to an interview. It was an experimental brady-bunch style video interview on the importance of Tribes in business. Edited version: http://tinyurl.com/r9f9qz
- Leif Hansen
@ChrisBrogan I bet being compared to ObiWan just made your day ;) I think I'm probably more like Luke -whiny guy with father-figure issues who gradually grows into his vocation through the grace/luck of the force and of friends and some serious hard knocks with his own dark side. Though I've got plenty of Solo juice flowing through my veins as well :)
- Leif Hansen
I agree with Chris, but Chris and Jeremiah are still up there IMO, especially when it comes to Social Media specifically.
- Jesse Stay
Apart from the fact Chris Brogan is hardly even here lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is Gary V. on that list?
- Jesse Stay
That's my point...shouldn't he be on the list?
- Owen Greaves
But seriously, oranges are so much better than apples. Come on guys...
- Leif Hansen
We know Scoble doesn't like lists. He really doesn't like those where it's easy to find holes in the lists. If this were written as "200 Social Media Blogs" with stats, and without rankings, it'd be easier. I was just surprised to see I was included at all.
- Louis Gray
But Louis, You are a legend here :)
- Owen Greaves
Great point about Godin not participating. In my niche there are some "experts" who have huge following numbers, but follow very few themselves. If you don't interact with your followers are you really participating in the conversation?
- Richard Byrne
Godin doesn't need to participate... he has sneezers. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob Sellen - Yeah, I'm not really deep into FriendFeed. I use it, and try to stay on top, and I get that lots of people say it's a big next stage. This is where Seth and I agree and are somewhat alike: we both believe you don't have to be present at EVERY conversation at every touchpoint. He picks his places; I pick mine. I just find the velocity of the social web to be more my speed. He likes email. No foul.
- Chris Brogan
Nothing wrong with that... ;o) .. just thought it odd for someone to say somone is the top social media blogger and not be in the social media sites itself... after all, that's exactly what scoble has said in the title here ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
concur - chris brogan is the man
- mike "glemak" dunn
Why Mike, do you think that? what is it that Chris does that's so different to anyone else?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not a chance. And Seth doesn't make it as top marketing blogger either.
- AJ Kohn
@Rob - oh, I'm in tons of social media sites. I just don't spend all 14 of my working hours in each one. I don't use Utterli, Plurk, Jaiku, Hyves, Orkut, Digg, Sphinn, and 300 other folks either.
- Chris Brogan
like scoble you mean? or was that 7 hours lol? I never said you weren't in any, just that scoble posted that here... and you are not here as much, nor is seth.. so scoble to me was just replacing one for another, if that makes any sense? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Woot woot "Seth Godin is the top social media blogger?" - nawwwwww.. he's the world's biggest liar.. hey after all he did write "all marketers are liars" !! He connectes with people because of his views and he also disconnects to people b'coz of that too.. As for interaction and collobrative particiaption.. hes got his nose still stuck n da air.. yeah Chris wins hands down !
- Peter Dawson
One thing I will say about Seth, ha can say a lot in few words... other times he says things that are a bit broad... but if it makes you think, that is the point. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
So Scoble chose FriendFeed. I've chosen Twitter. He also really loved the hell out of Facebook and used it up. I didn't. Which tools you use doesn't make you a better or worse social media person. How you get the job done counts the most to me.
- Chris Brogan
I agree... just thought it odd in the context of friendfeed you know. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agree Chris. Darth Maul's double-edged sabre is as useful as Yoda's tiny one. I'm a beginner at social media, and trying to keep in touch with what's new and what's useful. You, Scoble, Seth and many others have been very helpful for a rookie like me.
- waraney rawung
What is a social media blogger, and why don't I get on this list? I've been doing this longer and better than any of you guys. Geez Louise what's a guy gotta do to get a little recognition.
- Dave Winer
Which reminds me, a lot of early adopters in Indonesia are using FriendFeed, but they're not really into discussions in FF. On the contrary, geeks in Indonesia love and are very active in Twitter and Plurk (sometimes behaving differently in each site), with Facebook as their personal online central nerve.
- waraney rawung
It's all subjective anyway. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@DaveWiner - here here. You're who *I* read, anyhow. : )
- Chris Brogan
shouldn't that be "hear hear" sorry... lol. that's coming from a deaf bloke! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob - Beats me... what do I know? : )
- Chris Brogan
I wouldn't even call Seth a top marketing blogger, jeez
- Sally Church
lol... I see that alot, and wonder if it should really be hear hear... makes more sense that would. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think it probably is. Like "hear hear" me?
- Chris Brogan
yeah, what I was thinking...even if I can't "hear hear"" lol... . ah well. we learn sommat new everyday...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Gotta run, Rob. Thanks for the chat hidden in Robert's rant. : )
- Chris Brogan
lol.. welcome mate.... hang on.. does Robert NOT rant? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
The 'what tools you use' debate is interesting. While I agree that, as long as you get the job done, the tools don't matter, there's also the ability to understand new paradigms. It's difficult to talk about and grok something without really immersing yourself in it. I didn't get blogging until I really did it. Ditto Twitter. Certainly FriendFeed. They *are* different ... meaningful...
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- AJ Kohn
I really like the comment on social media being about connection vs. the technology that allows it to take place. That is one reason I enjoy friendfeed so much more than twitter & even facebook. Much easier to connect and join conversations with people. I find myself looking at stats of who I am listening to much less in here than twitter. The result, better conversations, more...
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- Kevin Murray
I think Seth is great at what he does, I'm just not sure "Social Media Blogger" is the right description. Perhaps evidence that that's not his focus is that a conversation of this magnitude can go on without his commenting/participating. For anyone interested, here's a post from my blog about something recent I have disagreed with Godin about: http://tinyurl.com/po62js
- Brian Broveleit
Chris Brogan rocks!
- Morten Blaabjerg
thats ok Morten..as long as it's not while sat in the corner on his own ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol - what's so impressive about @chrisbrogan is that he responds - or at least gives the impression that he does. He works like a maniac. And he _gets_ what _it_ is. This makes his posts small gems of insights, even the less revolutionary ones.
- Morten Blaabjerg
lol "gives the impression that he does" - what does that even mean morten?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Agreed that Chis walks the talk and puts out great stuff.
- John Blossom
Seth Godin is practical and sees through the hype - something that most social media commentators are guilty of.
- BLOGBloke
Social Networking/Media Sites Staying Relevant: (humor) http://www.youtube.com/watch...&
- Kevin Murray
Seth may be an expert in his own realm. Social media is certainly not it, but I have heard Seth make some valuable points about how to not use social media. Obviously Chris is doing something right, as evidenced by showing up to speak him mind, and pay Seth some respect. You gotta respect guys like Chris, Robert, Dave, and Louis (who are the ones on the tip of my tongue right now) -...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ditto Robert! What is it with the "online marketing copywriters" all wanting to act like they're the top social media bloggers now? Oh... that's right... social media is the hip thing! Thus they flock to it. I respect Seth for particular forms of copy writing, but lots of better social media bloggers... like Chris Brogan, like Leslie Poston, like you, and others.
- Arleen Boyd
I agree Robert. (And thank you, Arleen *blushes*) Mahalo
- Leslie Poston
Amen x heaps! Seth is a genius... but certainly doesn't spring to mind in the context of "top" in social media. Chris is for sure in my top 5!!
- Mari Smith
Chris Brogan is the best example of what bloggers should try to achieve, IMO. Like any great writer, his stuff is worth reading even if you are not close tot he subject of a particular post. That means a lot.
- randulo
Agreed. Seth stuff is good, but he does he even get social media?
- Warren Whitlock
@glemak There are limits to one's attention span when you've got a lot around your ears (like Chris has) but it means a lot that you give the impression that you're listening and responding, even though you may not always be on your high marks. Noone can be. It's only human. But appearances still matter and are greatly appreciated. Chris is good at that too.
- Morten Blaabjerg
gotcha - level of attention
- mike "glemak" dunn
Thanks to those who mentioned me. Scoble is for sure one I looked up to and still do.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah isnt the best at what he does - he's just the only one who does it! ;) - let's not be exclusionary - thank you to all the top minds for sharing.
- Richard Zeidel
I think Chris Brogan is THE man. Many of the social media experts are now engaging only with those who are also 'experts' and not with the new comers or followers. Brogan, on the other hand, very rarely to missed a conversation. As for marketing bloggers, I still stand behind Kyle Lacy as the best one.
- Gambit Fauri
Seth "gets" social media tools but he is not the top participant--where Chris is. I am dubious, however, of claims that Seth is not a conversationalist. Have you ever sent him an email? He personally takes time to respond to every email thoughtfully and quickly, which is more than I can say for a number of social media stars (or even myself).
- Jeremy Floyd
Lately I have been reading more of Chris has to say, that said does it really matter who is the top?
- Chet Woodside
SCOBLEIZER - Do you grant variance from the "No deleting your comments and altering the thread mother fuckers" rule if you're doing it simply to kill a thread from your "My Discussions" filter so it stops popping like popcorn on your notifier?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: that is an interesting problem. I wish clicking "hide" were good enough for that.
- Robert Scoble
As do I.
- Matthew DeVries
Godin doesn't allow 2-way participation, thus negating the openness principle of social media (no replies on his blog, not on twitter). He's just repurposed the blog to act as a writing platform for material for his books. He's very tactic based and without a huge depth of substance, but that's what people like; though it's not necessarily good for them.
- Aaron Shields
as a technologist, focused on emerging media yet appreciating the fine art of marketing - i learn little from seth (noise) and tons from chris (signal) - that's my experience of course, your mileage may vary ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Our flying Dutchman makes the Reich Museum look like a tourist trap. Should be on the top 5 things to do when you are in Amsterdam. Very bright, clear thinker. If you ever get fired for being "too open with your ideas" Chris you can work for me!
- Chad Harris
Agreed, Brogan all the way.
- Jim Gaudet
Brogan is amazing
- Peter Efland
Chris Brogan is an active interlocutor in ways Godin isn't. Still, who is #1 isn't as important as who is providing content that you need. I respect Godin. Have read lot of his books. But still, Brogan is my fav.
- Prof. Pamela Hood
Seth is a pure-play Social Media thought leader. Chris participates in the SM stream so he gets my respect for walking the walk and talking the talk.
- Michael McDermott
I'll give props to Chris Brogan in this so-called "social media" space, insightful, valuable, interesting. And I will give a lifetime achievement award to Dave Winer, I was reading Scripting News BEFORE the word "blog" was coined by EvHead and MegNut. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Winer "teach" you how to blog Scoble? One thing that continues to exist that I wish would go away, but probably never will is this whole "leaderboard" mentality... is there some contest? <sigh>
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I agree with Scoble, Chris is here in the trenches and impressively dedicated.
- anthonycospito
Methinks Brogan is sending his cousins over here. :-)
- BLOGBloke
In my view the better a Blogger is the more comments they will receive. Seth Godin does not even have comments enabled on his blog.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Shows how "social" he is at the very least. I don't completely agree that a blogger needs to receive comments to be "better" - but you can't really be a "social" media blogger without being "social".
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
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- Damien Basile
At this point I think that Wolfram Alpha is basically like a cool but limited encyclopedia that can do math. i think it has amazing potential for growth though.
- Jason Pollock
I am still trying to figure out how exactly to describe Wolfram Alpha... what exactly is it? Labeling itself as a "computational knowledge engine" tells me what? When should I use it? Its not another google - so when and how best would I be able to use it? It looks like an encyclopedia churning out facts about an entity - but theres no further references to it. Maybe spending some more time with it could lead to some interesting discoveries...
- Mahesh Patwardhan
It would have been great 10 years ago. Misses it on every category. - - Comparing stocks - gives about 1% of what any free stock program gives. - - Does not capture anything about the new "Social Web" and all the power of collaboration/referring/sharing - - It may be good for crossword puzzles or trivia games but no real world application. - - It's great for a child in grade school writing a basic essay but there are so many more powerful tools for that.
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This is a great article backed up by some very good report and trends from Forrester Research. This is something that we have predicted will happen during the downturn. It would also be interesting to get a little more detail on the "user-generated content" component considering it is third in the preferred channels that marketers would be willing to shift to - how and what channels would these cover? The most commonly encountered obstacle that I have faced while talking to clients regarding use of social media for marketing is the one about measurements and criteria for success - everyone wants to know how to measure ROI and this leads to them being skeptical about the use of social media for marketing. This report however is encouraging and could serve as a good reference point while talking to marketers.
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A good post that puts in perspective the impact of ignoring unsatisifed customers.
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Useful links for jobs in the social media space
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