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How to browse the news timeline of blogs | Web Talk - http://www.webtlk.com/2009...
Bruno Mertins, Björn Klose, Kamilah Gill and 6 other people liked this
Google has recently introduced a nice web application which lets you browse the news timelines of any blog in the Internet. Results and news are ordered chronically by day, month, year, decade.
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Thats a good idea
- TrafficBug
is it open to programmers ?
- Serkan Unsal
I *just* found this. I missed when you posted it!
- Kamilah Gill
Oh, FriendFeed is now Facebook’s “official” R&D department! - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Stanislas Jourdan, Daniel Rowley, Hutch Carpenter and 88 other people liked this
My reactions to today's news!
- Robert Scoble
SCOBLE YOU MUST GET THEM TO KEEP FRIENDFEED PURE-- and RUNNING!! AAAGGGH [ i just heard 5 minutes ago. I'm on vacation ] :)
- Schneider Mike
Interesting thoughts.
- Angus Burton
Bummer - not likely to be an improvement
- Internet Strategist
Friendfeed is no longer .. all that's left is the flick of the switch.
- John Blanton
It's nice for the FF peeps. They'll see what it's like to deliver new features for a decent size user base.
- mrshl
Mike: I wouldn't worry about FriendFeed. I see it as Facebook's R&D department now. We're the test bunnies for what 300 million people will get! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Now Friendfeed will be able to go head to head with Google wave! So long as the team are allowed to lead from within Facebook how can this possibly be bad?
- Ade Lack
I want a FB test bunny t-shirt ;)
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Nice comments. Also looking forward to realtime search and 300M+ users ... watch that in realtime! My screen will melt I guess.
- Peter van Teeseling
I'm only really sad because it completely breaks my on-line life. I'm excited for the FF team and for FB but that's only one aspect and I don't see how it can be merged.
- James Myatt
I think it'll make fan pages even cooler.
- Gus
Mark: can you verify that this is a real account somehow? Tell us something about what we did in Davos together that I didn't share.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the user name for Zuck misspells his name, just like he misspelled yours.
- Louis Gray
Mark, if that is really you. Please don't let people on FB find users on FF. Some of us are looking for the anti-social web. Private groups and no friend requests from long lost classmates was a big plus over here.
- Chip Ramsey
Username is "markzukerberg"? ..
- Mads Kristiansen
Robert: from what I can tell most FF users do not share your enthusiasm or optimism. From what I can see FriendFeed team members will be absorbed into Facebook R&D, FriendFeed as a property will whither and most will cash out as soon as they can. Do you have some other information that you can share that supports your optimism?
- Brian Sullivan
My reactions to today's news! ~ http://ff.im/6pPEE :D
- CannonGod
One of the worst things for me is that many employers, including the site I'm working at, block Facebook, but not Friendfeed.
- James Myatt
James - www.anonymizer.com/ ?
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Robert: Do you have *any* reason at all to believe that friendfeed will survive as a distinct entity?
- Christopher A Carr
How does everyone know what's going to happen? I prefer Rob's tone of "what should happen" - fear vs possibility
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Really interesting perspective you provide here. I was thinking this whole time that this would hit Twitter hard, but I see now that Google might be the real target, because of the whole real-time search. Nonetheless, I love all the Google employees that are hoping facebook becomes more "open" in the process. Something tells me facebook doesn't care about being open, but being a...
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- Rahul Krishnakumar
Christopher: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... It clearly seems that facebook will use friendfeed to be a playground for future features.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
Rahul: That's not encouraging. I don't see how you get that from that article.
- Christopher A Carr
Wait I owe Scoble an apology. I read several places that he had a financial interest in Friend Feed. That information , if true,clouded my perception of his commentary of FF. If you believed that true, he comes across as a shill trying to protect his investment IMHO. In his blog post he denounces any financial connection. Now I feel stupid because good practices dictate that he would have disclosed such in his writings. I suck sorry Robert.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Hmmm - I keep my FB social, private, and mainly family. I keep FF public and work-oriented only. Will I need two accounts? Or just delicate messing about with privacy controls? I'm not looking forward to shifting - may FF last a long while still. FB is too busy, and FF is lightweight and gives me exactly what I want, with a much cleaner interface. Thanks very much Robert, your blog post is much appreciated!
- Allyson Lister
cheapsuits: Robert has said 1,000 + times that he has no financial interest in ff.
- Christopher A Carr
Robert, how can you say you don't get how FF users are sad and up in arms? FB's attitudes and culture are different enough for this to be a serious shock. In short, lots of people think FF=good, FB=bad, for better or worse. Your own list of cons is enough to get FF users up in arms.
- Don Faulkner
Christopher I see it now. Easy to see what he said when it isn't filtered by FF haters. What more can I say then I suck? I surely am not going to kill myself over it.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Thrilled for Paul, but amused that FB's first big land grab is another biz that isn't monetized properly either! Arrogance or Ignorance?
- Jan Simmonds
Jan, FF has some great technology and some great people. It's not about the service itself.
- James Myatt
cheapsuits: I'm sure you are forgiven. ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
Here's why people are up in arms: I think it's in the company's best interests to keep the properties existing separately ... especially since like you said, it's a geekier community on FF. Why not integrate the cool *features* FF has within Facebook but keep friendfeed.com as-is?
- Tamar Weinberg
I agree this is more of a play against Google. I think eventually Twitter and Facebook will team up more to provide real time streams of user updates between the two systems. I wonder if the first step is using FF for the collection of these streams and the next step is acquiring the method of pushing these streams or content.
- CodeSamurai
FF = Facebook Labs
- Andrew
I like the separate sites and maybe they will allow both options, Facebook is too busy for me and Friend Feed cuts to the chase and I hope we don't see "FaceFeed" with everything combined without options.
- MedicalQuack
They got some talented people at FriendFeed.
- Kenneth Yeh
"If Twitter is a timesink, then friendfeed is a swimming pool" --Guy Kawasaki...That's genius right there ROFL
Thierry R. Andriamirado, Iván Abrego, Meryn Stol and 77 other people liked this
I say enjoy the water. :-)
- Jason Huebel
I concur, Jason...Totally.
- Alex Scoble
Anyone else starting to see a bandwagon forming?
- Bwana ☠
I've been on Guy's bandwagon for a while, Bwana...ROFL
- Alex Scoble
Today I'm seeing a lot more FF love than usual...that's all
- Bwana ☠
Oh...THAT bandwagon!
- Alex Scoble
I think it's about time I dive back into this FriendFeed ocean. I'm gonna need water wings!
- Dave Senior
Twitter is like DOS. Friendfeed is like OS X.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
OMG You did not just go there!
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I think he just dove in the deep end, but seems to be doing quite well.
- Michael Fidler
Then what's Google Wave...Linux?
- sean andersen
Google Wave is the International Space Station
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
It can be sink or swim in here!
- Matt G
If you at least know the back float or the dead man's float, you can survive a long time.
- Micah Wittman
Twitter is like DOS. FriendFeed is like... DANG! Darn you Haley!
- Louis Gray
Kurt, don't even get me started ;) <--- that looks like a wink, right. No, it's one eye already asleep.
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, a swimming pool with sharks...with freakin lasers on their heads!
- Mo Kargas
Kurt, LOL.
- Micah Wittman
LOL...peeps! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mapping the Neanderthal Genome http://www.edge.org/3rd_cul... (via @edge)
Mahesh Patwardhan and Craig Sheldon liked this
FriendFeed Still Reigns As Conversation King - http://www.bwana.org/2009...
Hutch Carpenter, Juan Carlos Sánchez, Joel Lovato and 17 other people liked this
On Twitter you can drop off of searches and you're royally screwed. On FF you don't have to worry about all the Twitter glitches. The Twitter search glitch has really been the source of MUCH heartbreak, for me and for many others. I loved those Twitter hashtag chats so much. Without them, my life will never be whole again. Too bad Twitter's a free service.
- J. D. Ebberly
hear hear Friendfeed is the best online right now
- Thomas Power
A good desktop client maybe all it needs to be really used by more people.
- zeroinfluencer
Email: The First Social Network - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Mahesh Patwardhan and Kevin Cooper liked this
(Image) - http://mokargas.soup.io/post...
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Wulffy, HealingBrush, Darren Heydon and 37 other people liked this
Stop that you two. It makes my face hurt just watching.
- Adrian
Dude that's messed up
- Rodfather
Insanity rising...rising..
- Mo Kargas
O_O Weird ...
- Wao || 大号真皮人偶
Muhahaha
- Mo Kargas
Okay this is freaky this early in the morning
- Tony C
Sorry to interrupt. How come my gif animation becomes still jpg pic once is uploaded?
- Dallas Cao
Dallas: animated gif can only be embedded (from rss feed or bookmarklet) not uploaded
- Mike Chelen
Julia Roberts the big mouth. Read once that she can swear like a drunken sailor, haha. She is cute thou.
- Mine Ekim
LMFAO!!!! Creepy!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
:-))
- روح الله مهدوی
I am horrified.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
There must be an endless list somewhere of items you can fit in Julia's mouth!
- embee
*calls therapist weeping*
- Joe Silence disconnected
Ow... oww... oww... owww...oww...
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
omfg hahahaha creepy!!!!
- Geoff Schultz
HAI!.....HAI!!!
- Mo Kargas
o_O
- Anna Haro
I can hear them in my head... it freaks me out!!!
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
I will have nightmares about this tonight. SO BIG MOUTH BIG HELP BIG.
- Sparky
Woah. O.O
- Jason Huebel
Makes them both look like vampires from Buffy
- Glenn Slaven
They have matching teeth - I wonder where they got them from?
- Geer
看到 我就笑啦
- 佛陀
:D :D :D :D
- Geoff Schultz
My favorite thing : To laugh loudly.
- Renchin(Reina)
Yep...still disturbing.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
aww, man... look what you did!
- Tim Hoeck
HealingBrush, Graham Lawrence, Charles Tanton and 53 other people liked this
Hey everyone! I wrote a how to use friendfeed for this blog that I write for. Please leave comments on your most helpful tips to help newbies and get the word out on how awesome FriendFeed is!
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
This was a nice read.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Thanks! There has been so many negative posts about FF lately that I want to balance it out. =D
- Shevonne
This looks like a great start for tweeps and others. Short, but not leaving out anything. Maybe hiding and setting up lists, but those are a bit advanced.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
from iPod
FF has its moments Shevonne
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Everything in life has its moments ;)
- Shevonne
A great post - Stumbled it :-). At last something not too complex, but not too simple to point my friends too when they ask about 'this FriendFeed thingo'.
- Craig Bailey
I cant believe I missed this. It's cued to share in my Google Reader :) Have a great fourth with the family.
- Mike Fruchter
You too Mike! =D
- Shevonne
Nice article!
- Gordon Herd
I bookmarked it on delicious yesterday, but totally forgot to like it here.
- Ton Zijp
Great tips.Here is everything I know about Friendfeed....
- Keith - @tsudo
Full listing of links from my week long journey of introducing FriendFeed. The Why and How of the World's most powerful social network. http://ff.im/4FBeF
- Keith - @tsudo
A collection of the best guides and tips for using FriendFeed. http://ff.im/47jWL (just added you post to this list)
- Keith - @tsudo
Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Bret Taylor, Bradley Goetsch, Daniel Rowley and 13 other people liked this
Interesting stuff. I have already set the privacy settings for my Status updates to Everyone :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
That sounds dangerous to me. Too many people have far too much private info in their Facebook profiles. Personally I keep everything either entirely ficticious or just truthful enough to be useful to a coterie of friends. I am not publicly available on Facebook and have no desire to be so.
- Gilbert Harding
Great post. Facebook should stick with what they do well. But the Iran issue is a real boost for Twitter, all they need to do is figure out how to make money now.
- Rob Truman, USN Ret.
@fartingpen I know I know! I have seen Memento around 15 times. And have introduced 1000s to it. And QT is a GOD in my circles. :D
Mahesh Patwardhan liked this
Seth Godin is the top social media blogger? Give me a break. He doesn't participate. Chris Brogan wins in my view. - http://www.noop.nl/2009...
James Williams, Mitchell Tsai, Gary Edgar and 142 other people liked this
I think that Seth is the top marketer blogger.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
although as you said he doesn't participate.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
i think its based on a number of stats Scoble, rather than participation. But of course, i'm just pleased we're in the top 20 of the list :)
- Zee.
Zee: stats are lies.
- Robert Scoble
well they make me feel good :)
- Zee.
Zee: Seth Godin is a great guy, great author, great speaker, very well known, etc. But no way is he the top social media blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Like Godin's insight but he isnt regular enough. Also really like Jeremiah!
- Richard Zeidel
I subscribe to Seth's blog and have yet to figure out why there is such a fuss about him. Chris seems to put more effort into his posts and write things of significance.
- Chris Luckhardt
lol but what do u mean with the stats zee?
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Often attributed to Mark Twain: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
- CAJ, somewhere else
have you subscribed to us yet Scoble? Would love you to give us a chance for a couple of weeks. Think you'll be highly impressed
- Zee.
Seth is good for those little sparks that get your own thinking going. But yeah, wouldn't put him in the top SM blogger category.
- Virante
Richard: yeah, Jeremiah should be in top two or three yet. Zee: I'm following you here on friendfeed, is that what you mean?
- Robert Scoble
sorry i mean at TheNextWeb.com - check out our recent content, i'm sure you'll be impressed.
- Zee.
Zee: what's the friendfeed URL?
- Robert Scoble
If you turn off comments (engagement) and blog about engagement (with comments off) then you get lots of linketylinks (Google love) in. Helps with those stats :)
- Laurel Papworth
@virante agree with you. I think Seth is more intellectual from Brogan and he is not social media blogger. And I don't say that Brogan isn't great! In fact, he is!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Love your post. I stopped following Seth a while ago for the same reason. He does not participate in the conversation. He writes posts high above from the mountain of Social Media Gods (SMG).
- John Flynn
http://friendfeed.com/thenext... and we have a group with content from all over here: http://friendfeed.com/the-nex... (nearly 6000 members)
- Zee.
The # of people he follows and learns from is an indicator as to his view of his role in the conversation...I mean monologue,
- Kevin Murray
In fact, thinking about it, it is hard to pick between Brogan and Owyang. I should have named both.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Great stuff, but Seth's not interested in conversation. Since that's the case, how can he possibly rate high in the social media space?
- Leo Bottary
I like the perspective Seth brings to Social Media, but I agree that he's not participating as much as others. How are we defining "top"?
- Joel Zehring
I think the behaviors of many people claiming to be the "best" of something will be monitored more closely now that FF is around ... I watch the number of people "these bloggers" subscribe to and watch for their participation ...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
methinks that Seth is not blogging about Social Media, but about marketing.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
That list doesn't seem particularly focused. Bunch of great sites there that don't seem SM to me. I can't believe they didn't run them past me first. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Joel: the blog that made this list is using popularity ranking algorithms. Judging people by popularity will take you down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is like God. He disappears for a long time then pops up with the old miracle. He's a good helicopter view of what's going on whilst people like Scobles and Chris Brogran are the day to day practioneers. You need both.
- Ross McMinn
Definitely Brogan is much better. I think Godin is miscategorized here. That said he's not conversing much in any space, just thinking out loud, which is great, but not so much social.
- Bailey McCann
I think we need universal portable influence metric - something peer mediated - micro celebrities need community validation.
- Richard Zeidel
Zee would be in the conversation. At least if I were having the conversation.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't even know Chris Brogan - maybe I should..
- Arnaldo M Pereira
I like it that Seth doesn't participate in everything. It makes it easier to follow him. Has anyone tried to email him or connect through his "Tribes" projects?
- Joel Zehring
what apostolos said. seth is marketing, not social media.
- James
Joel, that's like saying Chuck Nevitt is the best basketball player, because he's so easy to follow, cause most of the time he's on the bench, and the 3 minutes a season he got to play, he moved very slowly.
- Matthew DeVries
Arnaldo M Pereira: Check out Chris here ==> http://friendfeed.com/chrisbr... He's very active.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Exactly, Social Media and Seth Godin? WTF? And how come RWW team is not in the 1st three?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
lol +1 to Matthew
- Bailey McCann
I'd say Amber Mac would be up there, but I guess she's more like the little girl who gets every freakin new toy on the planet the day it comes out, tells everyone it's a great toy, then tosses it aside, and goes back to playing with movable type.
- Matthew DeVries
Good guy, but last I checked Seth doesn't even tweet!
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Ryan: we were on a radio show together and he told me he doesn't Tweet. I tried to get him on friendfeed and he didn't have any part of that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is tops in several areas....just not social media; not even close..I'm sure he would agree
- Daniel Kenney
agreed scoble.
- Ted Bradford II
Seth is definitely a top blogger..but because social media is about conversation, then you're right...others have a right to that honor.
- Bill Reichart
Seth is a snake oil salesman, but Chris Brogan sees him as a role model. I've predicted that Chris will be the first to Tweet from the Lincoln bedroom in the White House.
- paul mooney
Maybe they should call him the top social media spammer. He's broadcast-only. Woot for Chris Brogan though.
- Dave Saunders
+1 with taryn930
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Seth Godin uses email primarily to respond to people - he doesnt believe in the other media and he has explained that in some of his interviews. Chris Brogan on the other hand uses social media channels extensively and in my opinion should rank higher as a social media exponent.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
blogger or not.. moot question... is seth a good "social network" or "web2.0" (as much as i dislike that term!!!) media personality... *no* he's hardly a participant - he's more a "dictactor" - one way communication (mostly)... still worth reading i guess if you're into that sort of marketing guffy stuff (i'm only into technical stuff :) ...
- simran
I like Chris Brogan and Perry Belcher too!
- Vicki Z Lauter
I agree that Seth, smart as he is, is not representative of social media blogging. Having said that, what makes us so sure Chris Brogan, and I love Chris, Or Jeremiah, who I also love, are more engaged than Susie from Detroit? Because their numbers are higher hence the stats ranking. Why are their numbers higher? Because they're sort of viral. I often wonder how people become popular....
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- Sheryl
Chris Brogan I know about and I follow on Twitter and FF, I just Googled Seth Godin, wasn't sure who he was....
- Mike Nencetti
I don't feel like I should weigh in or anything, but I wanted you to know I'm listening and I'm here. I really love what Seth does. I read him religiously. He's NOT a social media blogger. He writes about marketing. That said, he writes about the part of social media that matters to me: how humans can be more human. So, to me, he's still #1, because he's writing about humans, and that's...
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- Chris Brogan
see what I was tolding ya? 1) Seth is not a social media blogger 2) both Chris and Seth are the best on what they do ;-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
For the record, Wolverine is the best at what he does. I'm just a working schlub.
- Chris Brogan
I like and respect what both Chris and Seth have to say tremendously. Not sure I care that much about who is the "top" blogger or whatever because either way I'm gonna keep reading their stuff and learning.
- Miguel Rodriguez
I do appreciate that Chris is present here (hi Chris!) and feel that his participation in "the discussion" adds another dimension to his insights. I wonder sometimes why Seth limits his interaction. When he's on camera being interviewed, such as by @loic most recently, he seems quite comfortable.. why that comfort doesn't extend to places like FF and twitter I am still scratching my head over.
- Miguel Rodriguez
Seth reminds me of Yoda, Chris reminds me of Obiwan. First one's cool, simple, philosophical, and ass-kicking. Second one's down to earth, practical, trained in highly useful Jedi stabs for day to day fights. Follow both, learn from both.
- waraney rawung
How would you classify Gary Vaynerchuck in the Marketing/Social Media environments?
- Owen Greaves
I watched a video of Seth essentially saying that much of social networking is superficial. http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009...
- Angela
waraney - I think you nailed it :-)
- PXLated
I had an interesting connection w/ Seth. Back when I was doing Biznik Live interviews, Seth's answer was to ask about our listener numbers. ("10k gets my attention"...Understandable from a guy who is #5 in Google out of 3 billion hits for "blog") However, when I sent him a video of Bizniks discussing Tribes, he liked that & agreed to an interview. It was an experimental brady-bunch style video interview on the importance of Tribes in business. Edited version: http://tinyurl.com/r9f9qz
- Leif Hansen
@ChrisBrogan I bet being compared to ObiWan just made your day ;) I think I'm probably more like Luke -whiny guy with father-figure issues who gradually grows into his vocation through the grace/luck of the force and of friends and some serious hard knocks with his own dark side. Though I've got plenty of Solo juice flowing through my veins as well :)
- Leif Hansen
I agree with Chris, but Chris and Jeremiah are still up there IMO, especially when it comes to Social Media specifically.
- Jesse Stay
Apart from the fact Chris Brogan is hardly even here lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is Gary V. on that list?
- Jesse Stay
That's my point...shouldn't he be on the list?
- Owen Greaves
But seriously, oranges are so much better than apples. Come on guys...
- Leif Hansen
We know Scoble doesn't like lists. He really doesn't like those where it's easy to find holes in the lists. If this were written as "200 Social Media Blogs" with stats, and without rankings, it'd be easier. I was just surprised to see I was included at all.
- Louis Gray
But Louis, You are a legend here :)
- Owen Greaves
Great point about Godin not participating. In my niche there are some "experts" who have huge following numbers, but follow very few themselves. If you don't interact with your followers are you really participating in the conversation?
- Richard Byrne
Godin doesn't need to participate... he has sneezers. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob Sellen - Yeah, I'm not really deep into FriendFeed. I use it, and try to stay on top, and I get that lots of people say it's a big next stage. This is where Seth and I agree and are somewhat alike: we both believe you don't have to be present at EVERY conversation at every touchpoint. He picks his places; I pick mine. I just find the velocity of the social web to be more my speed. He likes email. No foul.
- Chris Brogan
Nothing wrong with that... ;o) .. just thought it odd for someone to say somone is the top social media blogger and not be in the social media sites itself... after all, that's exactly what scoble has said in the title here ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
concur - chris brogan is the man
- mike "glemak" dunn
Why Mike, do you think that? what is it that Chris does that's so different to anyone else?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not a chance. And Seth doesn't make it as top marketing blogger either.
- AJ Kohn
@Rob - oh, I'm in tons of social media sites. I just don't spend all 14 of my working hours in each one. I don't use Utterli, Plurk, Jaiku, Hyves, Orkut, Digg, Sphinn, and 300 other folks either.
- Chris Brogan
like scoble you mean? or was that 7 hours lol? I never said you weren't in any, just that scoble posted that here... and you are not here as much, nor is seth.. so scoble to me was just replacing one for another, if that makes any sense? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Woot woot "Seth Godin is the top social media blogger?" - nawwwwww.. he's the world's biggest liar.. hey after all he did write "all marketers are liars" !! He connectes with people because of his views and he also disconnects to people b'coz of that too.. As for interaction and collobrative particiaption.. hes got his nose still stuck n da air.. yeah Chris wins hands down !
- Peter Dawson
One thing I will say about Seth, ha can say a lot in few words... other times he says things that are a bit broad... but if it makes you think, that is the point. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
So Scoble chose FriendFeed. I've chosen Twitter. He also really loved the hell out of Facebook and used it up. I didn't. Which tools you use doesn't make you a better or worse social media person. How you get the job done counts the most to me.
- Chris Brogan
I agree... just thought it odd in the context of friendfeed you know. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agree Chris. Darth Maul's double-edged sabre is as useful as Yoda's tiny one. I'm a beginner at social media, and trying to keep in touch with what's new and what's useful. You, Scoble, Seth and many others have been very helpful for a rookie like me.
- waraney rawung
What is a social media blogger, and why don't I get on this list? I've been doing this longer and better than any of you guys. Geez Louise what's a guy gotta do to get a little recognition.
- Dave Winer
Which reminds me, a lot of early adopters in Indonesia are using FriendFeed, but they're not really into discussions in FF. On the contrary, geeks in Indonesia love and are very active in Twitter and Plurk (sometimes behaving differently in each site), with Facebook as their personal online central nerve.
- waraney rawung
It's all subjective anyway. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@DaveWiner - here here. You're who *I* read, anyhow. : )
- Chris Brogan
shouldn't that be "hear hear" sorry... lol. that's coming from a deaf bloke! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob - Beats me... what do I know? : )
- Chris Brogan
I wouldn't even call Seth a top marketing blogger, jeez
- Sally Church
lol... I see that alot, and wonder if it should really be hear hear... makes more sense that would. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think it probably is. Like "hear hear" me?
- Chris Brogan
yeah, what I was thinking...even if I can't "hear hear"" lol... . ah well. we learn sommat new everyday...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Gotta run, Rob. Thanks for the chat hidden in Robert's rant. : )
- Chris Brogan
lol.. welcome mate.... hang on.. does Robert NOT rant? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
The 'what tools you use' debate is interesting. While I agree that, as long as you get the job done, the tools don't matter, there's also the ability to understand new paradigms. It's difficult to talk about and grok something without really immersing yourself in it. I didn't get blogging until I really did it. Ditto Twitter. Certainly FriendFeed. They *are* different ... meaningful...
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- AJ Kohn
I really like the comment on social media being about connection vs. the technology that allows it to take place. That is one reason I enjoy friendfeed so much more than twitter & even facebook. Much easier to connect and join conversations with people. I find myself looking at stats of who I am listening to much less in here than twitter. The result, better conversations, more...
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- Kevin Murray
I think Seth is great at what he does, I'm just not sure "Social Media Blogger" is the right description. Perhaps evidence that that's not his focus is that a conversation of this magnitude can go on without his commenting/participating. For anyone interested, here's a post from my blog about something recent I have disagreed with Godin about: http://tinyurl.com/po62js
- Brian Broveleit
Chris Brogan rocks!
- Morten Blaabjerg
thats ok Morten..as long as it's not while sat in the corner on his own ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol - what's so impressive about @chrisbrogan is that he responds - or at least gives the impression that he does. He works like a maniac. And he _gets_ what _it_ is. This makes his posts small gems of insights, even the less revolutionary ones.
- Morten Blaabjerg
lol "gives the impression that he does" - what does that even mean morten?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Agreed that Chis walks the talk and puts out great stuff.
- John Blossom
Seth Godin is practical and sees through the hype - something that most social media commentators are guilty of.
- BLOGBloke
Social Networking/Media Sites Staying Relevant: (humor) http://www.youtube.com/watch...&
- Kevin Murray
Seth may be an expert in his own realm. Social media is certainly not it, but I have heard Seth make some valuable points about how to not use social media. Obviously Chris is doing something right, as evidenced by showing up to speak him mind, and pay Seth some respect. You gotta respect guys like Chris, Robert, Dave, and Louis (who are the ones on the tip of my tongue right now) -...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ditto Robert! What is it with the "online marketing copywriters" all wanting to act like they're the top social media bloggers now? Oh... that's right... social media is the hip thing! Thus they flock to it. I respect Seth for particular forms of copy writing, but lots of better social media bloggers... like Chris Brogan, like Leslie Poston, like you, and others.
- Arleen Boyd
I agree Robert. (And thank you, Arleen *blushes*) Mahalo
- Leslie Poston
Amen x heaps! Seth is a genius... but certainly doesn't spring to mind in the context of "top" in social media. Chris is for sure in my top 5!!
- Mari Smith
Chris Brogan is the best example of what bloggers should try to achieve, IMO. Like any great writer, his stuff is worth reading even if you are not close tot he subject of a particular post. That means a lot.
- randulo
Agreed. Seth stuff is good, but he does he even get social media?
- Warren Whitlock
@glemak There are limits to one's attention span when you've got a lot around your ears (like Chris has) but it means a lot that you give the impression that you're listening and responding, even though you may not always be on your high marks. Noone can be. It's only human. But appearances still matter and are greatly appreciated. Chris is good at that too.
- Morten Blaabjerg
gotcha - level of attention
- mike "glemak" dunn
Thanks to those who mentioned me. Scoble is for sure one I looked up to and still do.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah isnt the best at what he does - he's just the only one who does it! ;) - let's not be exclusionary - thank you to all the top minds for sharing.
- Richard Zeidel
I think Chris Brogan is THE man. Many of the social media experts are now engaging only with those who are also 'experts' and not with the new comers or followers. Brogan, on the other hand, very rarely to missed a conversation. As for marketing bloggers, I still stand behind Kyle Lacy as the best one.
- Gambit Fauri
Seth "gets" social media tools but he is not the top participant--where Chris is. I am dubious, however, of claims that Seth is not a conversationalist. Have you ever sent him an email? He personally takes time to respond to every email thoughtfully and quickly, which is more than I can say for a number of social media stars (or even myself).
- Jeremy Floyd
Lately I have been reading more of Chris has to say, that said does it really matter who is the top?
- Chet Woodside
SCOBLEIZER - Do you grant variance from the "No deleting your comments and altering the thread mother fuckers" rule if you're doing it simply to kill a thread from your "My Discussions" filter so it stops popping like popcorn on your notifier?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: that is an interesting problem. I wish clicking "hide" were good enough for that.
- Robert Scoble
As do I.
- Matthew DeVries
Godin doesn't allow 2-way participation, thus negating the openness principle of social media (no replies on his blog, not on twitter). He's just repurposed the blog to act as a writing platform for material for his books. He's very tactic based and without a huge depth of substance, but that's what people like; though it's not necessarily good for them.
- Aaron Shields
as a technologist, focused on emerging media yet appreciating the fine art of marketing - i learn little from seth (noise) and tons from chris (signal) - that's my experience of course, your mileage may vary ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Our flying Dutchman makes the Reich Museum look like a tourist trap. Should be on the top 5 things to do when you are in Amsterdam. Very bright, clear thinker. If you ever get fired for being "too open with your ideas" Chris you can work for me!
- Chad Harris
Agreed, Brogan all the way.
- Jim Gaudet
Brogan is amazing
- Peter Efland
Chris Brogan is an active interlocutor in ways Godin isn't. Still, who is #1 isn't as important as who is providing content that you need. I respect Godin. Have read lot of his books. But still, Brogan is my fav.
- Prof. Pamela Hood
Seth is a pure-play Social Media thought leader. Chris participates in the SM stream so he gets my respect for walking the walk and talking the talk.
- Michael McDermott
I'll give props to Chris Brogan in this so-called "social media" space, insightful, valuable, interesting. And I will give a lifetime achievement award to Dave Winer, I was reading Scripting News BEFORE the word "blog" was coined by EvHead and MegNut. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Winer "teach" you how to blog Scoble? One thing that continues to exist that I wish would go away, but probably never will is this whole "leaderboard" mentality... is there some contest? <sigh>
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I agree with Scoble, Chris is here in the trenches and impressively dedicated.
- anthonycospito
Methinks Brogan is sending his cousins over here. :-)
- BLOGBloke
In my view the better a Blogger is the more comments they will receive. Seth Godin does not even have comments enabled on his blog.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Shows how "social" he is at the very least. I don't completely agree that a blogger needs to receive comments to be "better" - but you can't really be a "social" media blogger without being "social".
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thinking if I read only Read-Write-Web, Louis Gray, Seth Godin & Rob Scoble I'd be pretty set on social media.
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Who am I missing on an essentials list?
- Mark Traphagen
Lots of tier 2 and tier 3, plus some larger groups, Kyle Lacy, Chris Brogan, few dozen others. But Louis, Seth and Robert will link off to them. Plus Louis often has guest bloggers. You also might want to pick up Profy.com Svetlana sometimes writes awesome material on the social space and puts a great international spin on things. My 2 cents, for what it is worth.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Scary. I always thought the echo was too much to get through, but now it turns out there are simply very few knowledgeable social media experts
- Alexander van Elsas
So basically you just read RWW, techcrunch, mashable, Scoble's and Brogan's blogs and you are all set :D
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Depends what you're looking for. Louis covers the real time web better than anyone. Seth doesn't cover social media at all. He writes about innovative marketing. Robert covers the geek's eye view (very well!). ReadWriteWeb.com, for Marshall Kirkpatrick is missing. ConversationAgent.com for Valeria, and TwistImage.com/blog for an International view. Forget Brogan. : )
- Chris Brogan
@Chris - not likely you are a hard person to forget - I saw you speak in seattle a month/few months back. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Yeah, probably shouldn't include Seth in a social media essentials list. He's just so good, I tend to throw him in any mix!
- Mark Traphagen
And Chris, where do you write?
- Mark Traphagen
After recommendations from several friends and perusing his site, I think I would add Chris Brogan to my social media essential reads list. Deal clencher: his "about" page includes full disclosures of all his social media-related paid relationships http://www.chrisbrogan.com/about...
- Mark Traphagen
Mark: Chris is my favorite social media expert. Love his email newsletter, too, which is really his blog.
- Robert Scoble
OK....that was just deal clencher++ Thanks, Robert.
- Mark Traphagen
Alexander: I wouldn't say it's a matter of "very few knowledgeable social media experts", it's just that a few people are aggregators/collectors and if you follow them you'll see 80%+ of the "important" stuff. They watch the rest so we don't (necessarily) have to. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is really the problem with this whole approach. Why stop at what everyone else knows too (the 80%). That's a lot of echo. The interesting stuff needs digging and you will find that in the last 20% imo.
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: I read tens of thousands of items a day. I think it's funny that you say there's interesting stuff out there not getting found. If you simply clicked "like" on it, we'd see it and I'm far more likely to reshare things that get your like on them anyway. But, to get to the point, I really disagree that there's a lot of good things out there not being found. I have not found that to be the case at all.
- Robert Scoble
That's why I add the "(necessarily)" condition. I think this ties in with the stream vs. queue debate (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/dgentry...). Very few people can read *EVERYTHING*, so if you treat what the collectors/aggregators pick up as a queue and read all of it--via email, RSS, IM notification...whatever--you can just treat the rest like a stream and let it flow over you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, you do not miss a thing on Friendfeed, that is for sure. I would never be able to (or want to) compete with that. I was actually more thinking about the world outside Friendfeed (which is a lot bigger). You (and the rest of us) meet hundreds of interesting people that do not have their content on Friendfeed, I'm sure.
- Alexander van Elsas
Robert: I'd suggest the the stuff that gets missed isn't fact or reportage... that all gets echoed and repackaged and amplified just fine. What gets missed is the analysis and opinion from the people sitting in the corner at the party. They may not speak up that often, don't yell anybody down, but just say really, really smart things every once in a while. If you're not listening for it, it's easy to miss.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, agreed ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
That would be a start. And if this doesn't cover it, I'll find the rest on Google Reader, and share to FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Recent blog post by @Brad_King at www.themodernjournalist.com does a fantastic job shedding light on social media. Even a SM bumbler like me can grasp bits and pieces through his explanation. Good luck!
- Becky Middleton
Here is the link on SiliconAngle.com http://www.siliconangle.com/ver2... Google is further along in search than most people think
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Seriously, are there any compelling reasons why someone should choose Canon over Nikon or vice versa when buying a DSLR?
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It's mostly who your friends are (and what type of lenses they have)
- Cristo
currently you can pick up a XSi for $699 on amazon ( http://www.amazon.com/gp... ) and then use the $200 rebate from canon to make it $499, but it's usually about friends' lenses - http://www.usa.canon.com/consume...
- mjc
Like I'd touch my brother's lenses? Akiva's on the other hand.
- Alex Scoble
My uneducated opinion is to go with whichever brand has the menu style that you like the most.
- Rochelle
Price, unless Nikon and its accessories have gotten much cheaper recently
- xero
Go with whichever camera's control layout you like better.
- ronin
Hehe, Rochelle, that's no help. I could care less about UX...I could use either most likely.
- Alex Scoble
Ronin is saying the same thing I am.
- Rochelle
It's all about lenses. Research the lenses you want to shoot with and then buy the body that supports those lenses.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Well, not just the menu style though. Canon tends to be more button intensive while Nikon's got more toggles and switches and wheels.
- ronin
Umm, Canon's design (at least on the 5Ds) rely on a wheel. And both seem to have comparable 50mm primes.
- Alex Scoble
How it feels in your hand is a big one. Layout of the button and menu.
- Zach Flauaus
I'm beginning to think that the answer is "there is no reason to pick one over the other".
- Alex Scoble
Honestly, nothing compelling. There are differences, of course, but it's more a matter of taste than anything else. Video on the lower-priced Canons is better than the Nikons today, but I'm sure that will change in the next six months. The competition between them ensures a compatible feature set over time. But the key word to me is "compelling," and there's really nothing that significant that most people would agree on. I prefer Nikon because I think the red stripe on black looks cool.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
Dang, I'm agreeing with Alex Scoble again. I'll have to fix that.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
I like Canon, but I can't justify why I would pick it over Nikon... they both rule to me. I went with Canon simply because of brand loyalty. I have two other Canon cameras
- Bwana ☠
Perhaps they have done a poor job of differentiating...
- David Damore
Glen, we are both Americans...I bet we agree more that we disagree. :)
- Alex Scoble
I didn't mean Canon doesn't have any wheels, it's just that controlling a Canon is usually something like "push button, scroll" while a Nikon has a bunch of toggles and switches thrown in as well.
- ronin
Alex, I can agree with that. Shoot, I'm doing it again.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
When it comes down to it...the Canon Lens is Canon made...best in class.
- Judd6149
If UX is not a factor, then price may be a consideration especially with the high end lenses. Canon lens system also has the upper hand in newer and more offerings in the high end primes as well as constant f/4 zoom lenses.
- ronin
I only like Nikon DSLRs because Akiva likes Nikon and he got me into Nikon DSLRs. That said, I have a Canon PowerShot E1 that I like, too.
- Rochelle
Yeah, Rochelle, I'd like Nikons just because of Akiva too, but there's my brother's ego to think about.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, then I think Robert should choose AND buy the camera for you. :)
- Rochelle
I could have gotten his 5D for $1000 :(
- Alex Scoble
You can buy Akiva's D70 for a lot less! :D
- Rochelle
Rochelle, poor form for comparing a 5D to a D70.
- Alex Scoble
Everything I've read suggests that it's a personal preference. Admittedly, I haven't researched much because I was lucky enough to receive a Nikon as a gift before I really jumped into the search, so I'm a Nikon user by default. I do appreciate that several of my friends are Nikon users because I can get great advice on lenses and usage. My friends who have Canons love them, through, and I've been very happy with my Canon point-and-shoot.
- joey
Alex, I know. :P
- Rochelle
In a word, no...no real compelling reasons with any real regard to the two. I bought my 5D because the school where I work has tons of Canon lenses I can check out for free, which...is a big deal. Glass costs a lot.
- Derrick
Well said, Derrick.
- Alex Scoble
I have an old Rebel 2000 you can buy cheap ;P
- xero
Why did I go Canon? Canon's full frame sensor camera costs $3,000. Nikons costs $5,000.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: if you wait for your wedding you might find that going with Canon is a better choice! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I interviewed Brad Mangin of Sports Illustrated tonight and he was using a Canon. He also was complaining about it. So there! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Alex, I bought a Nikon D90 ~6 mos ago and love it. But I have to admit that most people I know who have owned both seem to prefer Canon.
- Doug Kaye
I feel like I stopped into FF just for a second to see this thread. Quick answer, no, nothing really. I honestly do not think I have anything to add that hasn't been said, but the 2 most important ideas to keep in mind when buying a new DSLR... #1 - Personal preference and comfort with camera layout and aesthetics, #2 - Access to good glass and gear. If you already have gear, it's nice...
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- Justin Korn
I went with Canon XT Rebel, older model on sale at FRY's, 8-megapixels is decent quality, Canon lenses are great and the supplied 18-70mm lens rocks, also with a T-mount adapter. (thread-mount) I was able to use the 400mm telephoto from my Canon A1 35mm film camera in Manual mode for wildlife and moon photos. Liked the F2.8 Canon 70-200 zoom but a bit pricey (even without Image Stabilization!)
- Nicholas Chase
In the past I had always say that you should checkout what your immediate friends have around you. Are they Canon or Nikon owners? Less so on trading lenses; as these are usually too precious for your friend to lend you. It is more like what Justin mentioned about. It has to do with gear advise and setup. BTW: I recently (this year) became a Canon-man and now taking the expert advises and investing on L lenses, so I guess I will be Canon-man for some time.
- Vinko
Why Physical Media Is Archaic - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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Downloads replace DVDs, CDs. No question. And eventually, streaming replaces downloads.
- Louis Gray
While I agree in general with the points you list, there will always be content, of various kinds, that I want to own in a format that I can do with as I please, when I please, and where I please... commercial-free, proper aspect ratio and presentation (books and movies especially), and highest available definition. Restricted downloads and streaming is fine for disposable content, as long as the price is right. But subscriptions and DRM'd content also have significant liabilities.
- LogEx
Without a doubt, as we speak I am staring at a dresser stacked full of dvds. Most of which I'll only watch one time. Streaming is much more efficient and even environmentally friendly than collecting physical media copies. I would say that the same discussion extends over into magazines and newspapers too. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. Thanks
- Benin Brown
I'm doing my best to severely limit my purchase of meatspace media. I'm actually kind of creeped out a little now by paper books and, especially, DVDs. I'm not completely against' books and other media primarily because they aren't all COMPLETELY obsolete yet, but we are on the verge of complete obsolescence of physical media fetishes.
- Tad
I think this also holds true for maintaining one's own library of music files, so I actually consider iTunes dated in that sense. The future belongs to streaming audio, perhaps with elaborate caching so that it works without an internet connection. That's the only future use I see for local storage for personal computers, as "cache", as "working memory". The cloud is the new hard disk.
- Meryn Stol
Physical media is archaic, but the issue of conserving things for the long term isnt, and physical media really helps there.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
All my music is on iTunes. I'm not a big movie person and the only DVDs I have are from friends that insist I have them. Still having a tough time giving up books & magazines and haven't gone over to Kindle. Oddly, I really don't want to own books, I just haven't taken to other forms of media for these things. Meryn, I like your comment about the cloud being the new hard disk.
- Jill Howard Allen
there is a cultural divide. people still like to own their music and rent their video. the younger generation will be more hip to borrowing from the cloud.
- Richard Zeidel
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In before Tad says "how quaint". :P
- Rochelle
For me anyway the age factor doesn't matter I'm 32 and I'd rather just "borrow from the cloud" as it were. Physical media is just something else my kids can break.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
The younger generation is <20. At 32 you grew up shopping in CD/DVD stores for media. You are accustomed to physical distribution. <20 will likely never have engaged with the physical; nor would they know what to do with it -
- Richard Zeidel
Strangely enough the rare times I go in a music/film/games shop (once or twice a year when i miss a train), most of the people in it are <20 They have time to hang out, we don't
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
As the early tech gadget adopter my friends always ask me why i havent got blu-ray and that they want it. I tell them i get HD streamed to me via the web and blu-ray will be dead in 3 years
- andy brudtkuhl
especially when Boxee comes preloaded on TV's
- andy brudtkuhl
I generally prefer having my media in digital format. But every so often an artist puts together an "album" that deserves my keeping it on disk. Now, I know this sort of accomplishment is unusual these days, and maybe I pine too much for someone to match or surpass Moody Blues', Pink Floyd's or The Beatles' mastery of that element of the art form, but I feel obliged to hope. Some albums...
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- Bob Finch
Ten Features To Love About Android 1.5 - http://linux.slashdot.org/article...
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لایک :)
- SokooteDel
Why You Need a (Blogging) Business Model - http://www.problogger.net/archive...
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It’s About Intent: Affiliate Links in Twitter - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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I left a comment on your blog:)
- Michael Fidler
Brad Williamson to Brad's feed, Media News and Analysis, Social Media, Social Media Club, RWW: The Future of Tech
MySears and MyKmart Send Friend Requests - http://www.mediapost.com/publica...
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"Shooting for greater consumer engagement, Sears Holdings has tapped Chicago-based technology company Viewpoints Network to power two new online communities, MySears.com and MyKmart.com. Through the networks, MySears and MyKmart members can engage in all the usual SM shenanigans: social profiles, uploading photos, creating user tags, connecting with "friends," writing blog posts, tracking their readership stats, and exchanging private messages with other community members."
- Brad Williamson
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Forrester Research's Jeremiah Owyang on the Future of the Social Web - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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If you ever want to learn something spend an hour or two with Jeremiah. I learn something new every time I chat with him.
- Jesse Stay
Nice video and prescience Jeremiah,thanks for sharing.
- Murat Gök
I like the idea of social contracts like a bee-glue between Social Context and Social Commerce.My Question is how can a small community with not such a strong social hubs influence a social contract when is challenge with a stronger community? It's about minority representation in a social contract...
- Dan Romescu
Interesting. I've used those eras in a school project on social media. But I don't understand why Jeremiah considers OpenSocial as belonging to "functionnality" (http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...). IMO, it's much more about colonization, if you look at the "Sharing and Accessing Social Data" page: http://www.opensocial.org/page....
- Jérôme Flipo
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Google is a superset of twitter, and twitter could never be a superset of Google. Google can more easily index twitter's content than twitter could index the rest of the internet. I'm not sure how Twitter's position in the real-time space even applies. The contents of the pages twitter will end up indexing is not real-time content, and Google most likely already has much of this content before it is even twittered.
- Andy Bakun
HUGE (this is)
- sean percival
The web become more exciting each day!
- Orli Yakuel
I just commented on another thread that Twitter should really have it's own URL shortener and cache the content so it always lives within the Twitter universe. Twitt.er
- Gregg Scott
Gregg, can be shorter: tw.it
- Orli Yakuel
Running Your Business at Lightspeed with Socialcast - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/running...
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"What happened, Arreguín-Toft wondered, when the underdogs likewise acknowledged their weakness and chose an unconventional strategy? He went back and re-analyzed his data. In those cases, David’s winning percentage went from 28.5 to 63.6. When underdogs choose not to play by Goliath’s rules, they win, Arreguín-Toft concluded, “even when everything we think we know about power says they shouldn’t.”"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Wow, interesting. Also: is that a record for colons in an web page title?
- Ted Roden
Entertaining Gladwell Blink-like piece. If the little guy is creative he has a better chance of winning, I agree. But this works only if the big guy won't adapt. So all you big guys out there: get a move on! :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I think it's emblematic of game-changing startups. What's fascinating to me is how long a company can hold on to that "work immensely hard and break all the rules phase." What impressed me about Microsoft is that they did it for a full 15 or so years (between 1985 and 2000 when the Anti-Trust suit went on). I wonder if there are any companies that regularly exceed that.
- Piaw Na
Piaw, drug cartels have adapted successfully over long periods of time.
- Todd Hoff
"Why, then, did weak teams play in a way that made it easy for good teams to do the very things that made them so good?" - Because a good team can easily break the full court pressure of a poor team which leaves the basket open for an easy score. Concentrating your players in a coordinated team defense is a better strategy. They probably won because they used a novel strategy teams hadn't prepared for. Since this is an iterative game teams will adjust next year.
- Todd Hoff
Todd++ The article gravely understates the faults of the full court press. As well, top college teams don't use it because _they have to recruit star players who want to go to the NBA_. And they don't use it in the NBA because you can't use a gimmick defense in the league and not get beat in the playoffs (edit: because the playoffs are seven game series each, so teams can adjust). So a college team won't get star players if they're all about the press.
- Andrew C
is this another case of the insiders nay-saying the unconventional strategy? so what is your take-away from this entire article?
- Serge
Serge, Gladwell covered some of this territory before in Blink when he wrote about the Red Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) trouncing the conventional military in a war game simulation. So breaking the rules as a means of success is well established. Hannibal's campaigns against Rome and a million others have show this. One interesting question is why do people so...
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- Todd Hoff
"So breaking the rules as a means of success is well established" - see also Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru! (sorry, but someone had to do it.) Serge, my take-away is that not enough teams in that league devoted enough time to learning how to break a full court press. It's just a matter of inbounding and passing. Once broken, the defending team is badly out of position to defend a basket...
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- Andrew C
And the league doesn't spend time training for it because there's not enough payback for doing so.. .Until someone does it and wins. :-)
- Piaw Na
Sure. I guess my problem with this basketball example is that it's not quite like the wargame example, where the computer program found dominant strategies for a game with underspecified rules. (Since the real point of the wargames was to produce viable real-world strategies.) Here, the coach was exploiting a temporary flaw (inability to beat the press), but it's presented as on par with discovering that, say, the wargame's rules favoured immobile but heavily armed ships.
- Andrew C
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What a great way to highlight silly customer service practices.
- Chris Brogan
Yes, you are darn right they are. Rip? I think so.
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I enjoyed this post, especially the part about the fact that people need to decide what you want it to do for your business before investing time. Chris, you continue to be a voice of clarity that I find myself recommending over and over again. Thanks for another great post!
- Jennifer Fong
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