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To properly back up you need three copies. What is your workflow? What services work best for you? Discuss here:
CLAVEL DALY, Tom Kimmerer, Renée Barrett and 43 other people liked this
To properly back up you need three copies. One on your local drive in case something gets corrupted. One on an external hard drive or other media in case your hard drive dies. One on an external hard drive or other media or storage service that you store someplace else in case your house or office burns down.
- Robert Scoble
Dropbox. Three separate laptops and their Web service.
- Stephen Pierzchala
Forget the external hdd in some other location, and just back up to that webspace you have that you never use, or maybe cloud-based backup.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
For a local backup I run Time Machine on my iMac to an external drive. I also have a remote backup in the cloud using Backblaze. In addition I use DotMac and Mesh for sharing files among different computers.
- Jonathon
Here's mine: The original copy, one stored using Time Machine, one copy on a network storage device (ReadyNAS) using RAID and one copy at an off-site backup location. Works well and I've got my backup scripts running constantly. EDIT: I also use Dropbox for my documents.
- Eric D. Brown
#1 hard drive, #2 another hard drive, #3 old stuff goes to DVD
- barl0w
Carbonite for local machines.
- Todd Hoff
This looks like a good start for rsync to cloud. http://bit.ly/MBB0
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Around midnight I received a weird 'file access error', so I spent the first 90 minutes of 2009 running fsck on my MacBook Pro, then went to bed. First task on waking up? Time Machine (whole system) plus Mozy (home directory). Sadly, using the network support to back up with Time Machine to a disk on my Airport Extreme failed horribly when I tried it, so I'm down to Mozy (over the Internet) and Time Machine to a directly-connected USB drive.
- James
Simple enough - internal drives backup nightly to external drives. The backup copy of my system drive is boot-able. I need to add the off-site factor to this setup. SuperDuper! is my backup software.
- Tom Harrison
I agree the dropbox solution works well for me except for photos and video. In that case I have main HD, backup HD an HD I try to keep off site. If all else fails I have high res jpegs on flickr.
- gfurry
computer, extra hard drive i keep in fire safe at home, WD Passport i keep with me most of the time. I use a self written program to run backups to all 3 places which i try to run it every few days to a week. cheaper then online services!
- Russell Thomas
I'm using TimeMachine. I'm thinking about cloud solutions, but didn't find something cheap enough...
- Simon Robic
I have one of the unibody Aluminum Macbooks with a 120GB SSD drive onboard. I plug this into 2 x 500GB USB disks when I'm at work. One of these is a Time Machine backup. The other has manually driven Carbon Copy Cloner backups. Done when I remember. Probably once a month. I also have a small mini-NAS on my work network which Apple Backup does an incremental network backup to once a day. At home I've got another small mini-NAS which I do the same. Also do a weekly backup to Amazon S3 using JungleDisk.
- Alasdair Allan
Original, one copy on my Drobo via Time Machine and important (and not so huge stuff) on S3 via JungleDisk and on iDisk. Burning houses aren't as common over here as they are in the US. :)
- Holger Eilhard
Each of our pcs has an external hd, an internal backup drive, and we have a backup server. We back up to the internal b/u drive, sync it to the external, then to the b/u server. It may sound like overkill, but we manage a TON of mission-critical data. Websites get backed up daily to the backup server and to off-site FTP.
- Ron's Home And Hardware
I have a (1) a portable HD that I bring to work and store (2) there and also another (3) PC running Windows Server with a RAID5 setup. Tens of thousands of photos to lose would be a disaster.
- Loukas Koufodontes
RAID 1 NAS, periodically copied to external USB hard drive.
- Matt Mutz
Holger we have both fire and earthquakes so I decided no local storage for backups. It's all offsite now and I feel better for it.
- Todd Hoff
Mirrored NAS 500GB each, plus portable HDD... cloud coming soon! Evaluating Amazon vs. Mozy - thoughts??
- Susan Beebe
I agree that it feels good to be backed up. I use duplicate external HD for my photos, and SmugVault (Amazon S3) for offsite. Uploading photos to SmugVault is a pain - it is very slow - but it works. Of course, if you forget to pay Amazon, you lose your backup. Backing up current pix to SmugVault is no problem, but I have a 1.5TB backlog. I tried DVD offsite, but they don't last very long.
- Tom Kimmerer
Dell's DataSafe runs on my laptop, important files (like my photos, vidoes, and music) are manually archived to external drives on a reg basis, and Live Mesh keeps my documents synced between my computers and the cloud. Everything else is online.
- Sarah Perez
todd: if I'd live in earthquake and fire country like, for example, say California, I'd also be worried about onsite backup. But - thank gd - the worst thing that could happen here is a flood, and even that's a stretch...
- Holger Eilhard
The drive I'm on, an IDE external drive, or networked drive, and I'd like to have some decent remote back up, but I need Terra bytes worth of it and something that lets me upload the file structure as is. I'm using acronis true image echo to back up my installs. vista ult.
- Devlin Holliday
I use Second Copy 7 for automated backups. It automatically sends backup copies to two other systems on the LAN and one off-site backup via FTP on a remote server. It also makes periodic copies to a potable drive that is sent to an off-site location. Frequently changed documents are copied every two hours, others are copied every day or once a week depending on importance.
- Vishwas
Media is stored online. Important docs are on an external HD and back up Gmails.
- Mona Nomura
1 weekly copy to external HD, Same again on another HD kept out of the house. Critical files changing more rapidly to Dropbox. Not perfect, but has worked for me.
- Pete Marshall
Windows Home Server - two copies of each file. And i'm thnking of JungleDisk or somthing to Amazon S3.
- Roberto Bonini
Drobo for storage, I back up important personal docs to S3/Jungledisk nightly. $5/month dirt cheap! I use an external disk for my 750+gigs of media (iTunes, photos (100+ gigs!) and my own videos, etc) that I take off site. I run time machine on my Macbook Pro at the office, take the macbook home, time machine drive stays here for offsite.
- Lon Seidman
Time Machine to an external drive does well enough for me. Maybe I'm not paranoid enough, but I just don't see the value in an off-site backup for personal use.
- David Wynn
from fftogo
2 x Backup drives, alternate backups to each drive daily, and adrive.com for offsite backup (nice 50gig free account :o) ) along with DVD backup on adhoc basis
- Carl Grint
Server to local using SyncBack SE, then Carbonite copies the local data off site.
- Michael Krigsman
Virtually everyone who chimed in on this thread is a techie. Think for a moment about the typical consumer. There are no easy solutions. Larger hard drives make it easier to accumulate tons of docs, photos, music, and videos. Hard drives last a few years (and what data is there on reliability of drives that haven't spun up for years?). DVD-R and CD-R are probably only good for a few years (and of course are tiny relative to the data sizes we're talking about). Solid state still has a high cost per gigabyte.
- LogEx
Online backup is useful, but will the company be around in 3 years? 5 years 10 years? What about the privacy of your documents? Break up your data into chunks and upload encrypted files? Also, consider how fragmented data is for many consumers... multiple computers, gaming consoles, mobile devices, etc.
- LogEx
Mozy is in the cloud, backed by EMC, pretty simple to use (even for non-techies) and pretty cheap. Great support when you chat or call in.
- Lee Herman
Keep in mind fire safes are designed to keep paper from combusting, not protect electronic gear from damage. Big difference.
- stretta
from twhirl
@Logical Extremes - your comments are definitely spot-on for Windows users. I think the Mac has a great built-in (and easy to use) solution. While Time Machine may not be configurable enough for us geeks, it's a real winner for trouble-free unattended backups. Very easy to swap disks too for taking them off site.
- Lon Seidman
@Logical I see that a lot of non-techies are using external HDDs. They're pretty easy, but yeah, nothing lasts forever.
- Sarah Perez
I've been using mozy.com for over a year now for pictures, personal files etc and it works well. I'm kind of a techie (a CTO @ ADP.COM), but, consider myself a consumer when it comes to my home stuff (has to be easy, wife doesn't have to think about it etc). I've recently started using Live Mesh to push files across all of my home devices as well which is great (esp. for one note,...
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- Richard Anderson
Logical: That's what Carbonite does. You can easily backup 100GB to them. David Friend, their CEO, told me he got the idea when a family member lost photos when laptop was stolen from a car.
- Michael Krigsman
Every copy of data you put onto S3 is replicated (within and across data centers) so it's highly durable. It's where all my important data goes (through Jungledisk) and has been for a long time (disclaimer: I work there now, but was a user long before). Hard drives at home (a few TBs) are for things I look at every day and for sample libraries :)
- Deepak Singh
Right, I know there are tons of components to an overall strategy out there, but for the masses, they're lucky if they have an automatic on-site backup like Time Machine. My point is that computers aren't like a file drawer or an appliance. Good backup today requires a good strategy and a combination of tools, and most consumers aren't up to it.
- LogEx
The points raised by Logical Extremes are the same reasons I have not signed up with an online backup company. How do I know they'll still be here in 10 years, and how do I know I can trust them with my data?
- Tom Harrison
Quite true @Logical Extremes--We all learn the importance of back-ups the same way: we suffer a data loss. Somethings I have backed up to DVD or another computer or "in the cloud" some projects live on in the "oral tradition" where I simply describe how great this thing is to someone else--an if it's lost--it's legend lives on...(silly)...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
External hard drive is 1. Mozy is 2. Mesh.com for extra important stuff is 3. Skydrive for paranoia
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
The other issue that hasn't been mentioned is data obsolescence. Us techies can handle it if we plan for it, but as applications and data file formats get older, more and more files become unreadable for most folks. How many of you have old files that you don't have a reader app for anymore? I always encourage people to choose the simplest, most prevalent, and most open data format for a given application. ".txt" rules!
- LogEx
And I hope that people rank highly the availability of simple, open format, file export capabilities, when choosing which services will house their data (backup, social, etc.).
- LogEx
Re the trust issues with online backup, I think you have to go with a bigger player / name (like EMC owning mozy.com), that was my reasoning at least
- Richard Anderson
Microsoft Mesh to sync across all machines, backup (using Syncbackup) of one primary to network attached storage, and Jungledisk to Amazon S2 as well for off-site + periodic checkpoint copies to external disks. I am a fan of backup software that stores the backup as individual files.
- Ian D. Nock
Windows Vista Backup to 2 external drives at 2 locations + burning to DVDs. All long-term backups are regularly re-hashed and checked to make sure they can still be read. In addition, most of my backups contain a copy of an entire computer so all the programs are there.
- Zian Choy
SuperDuper! plus selective JungleDisk for Mac. unison to server at school for laptop. SmugMug for photos.
- Emil Sit
I'm beginning to think I should try online backup for offsite backups of my personal data. Has anyone used both BackBlaze and Mozy.com? How do they compare? Would anyone recommend another service at a similar price point? ($5/mo, unlimited)
- Mike English
Roberto: Also look at Mozy Home -- It is also 5$/month unlimited.
- Robert Miller
Different kind of workflow, also for @LogicalExtreme's non-techies: Keep an Outbox folder on every machine. Store pretty much every document you can there. Copy Outbox(es) to USB drive every week or so. Keep the USB drive in your car or on keychain. It's not a full-state backup, but 98% of computer state is not life-critical. Emergencies are rare and it takes less than a week to rebuild computer state.
- Christopher Galtenberg
(Can also have VitalNonPrivate and VitalPrivate folders in Outbox - zip and email both to yourself, the latter with encryption -- that's your 'cloud backup')
- Christopher Galtenberg
Just spent a few days sorting my backups out. Now have 1) machine image (Vista Ulitmate backup could use Acronis or Ghost) which will only be updated occassionally - on an external drive, 2) system image and incremental (updated monthly) on a protected local partition using Acronis 3) daily incremental backup of user data areas using Acronis on external drive and 4) daily copy of user data areas on an external server using Mozy - easy set up, good price, unlimited capacity. Can't be too careful!
- Mark Warren
+1 Mark -- Good practices.
- Robert Miller
I love my ReadyNas (http://www.readynas.com/) and have already failed over from a bad disk. Killer timing on this thread; getting ready to rsync to the cloud...
- Jeff Malek
Currently Local system RAID 1....soon adding backup to NAS (also RAID1) & using an Offline backup service like Dropbox or other AWS hosted service.
- Mark Krynsky
FWIW, http://journalspace.com/this_is... <-- this is a huge reason why RAID =/= backup. RAID = availability, Backup = recoverability.
- matthew john ernisse
Carbonite. I just lost all data on my laptop a week ago. Restored my mission critical files immediately (after reinstalling Windows), then restored everything else over the next few days. There is no need to personally maintain three copies when you're using an online system with it's own redundancy such as Carbonite.
- John Morley
Web-based backup -- Carbonite, Mozy or Jungledisk with Amazon S3 work nicely. I've shared John Morley's experience.
- Sean McBride
I'm seeing Carbonite, Mozy and Jungledisk regularly mentioned... anyone care to chime in on why one versus the other?
- Sean Katona
Sean Katona: I prefer Jungledisk with Amazon S3 to Carbonite and Mozy, because of price, user interface and reliability. You might want to try all three to judge for yourself.
- Sean McBride
I used Jungledisk and switched to Carbonite because it backs up everything automatically as it changes and I don't have to worry about it at all.
- Todd Hoff
I haven't tried Jungledisk or Mozy. Carbonite is great for me because it's seamless... you just don't ever have to worry about it. If it's not backing up properly it will tell you. If you have any files over 4gig that you want backed up though, you do have to manually tell Carbonite to keep those backed up or else they'll be skipped.
- John Morley
I back up my important files on a back-up server then I back-up the back-up twice on tapes: One copy in my office, the other in my wife's office.
- Charles Nadeau
I've found backing up to be far less important than it used to be - almost everything I have is in the cloud. Code is in version control hosted offsite and backed up, documents are in google docs, email's in gmail, photos are in flickr, not much else left to back up.
- Parand
I've implemented a tiered system with numerous local snapshots (Time Machine, in my case), and automatic remote sync (Jungledisk). Details and overall considerations for any backup strategy here: http://tr.im/2v7b
- Phil
IDrive is one of the better solutions. It is faster for backups and restores compared to other services, and easy to use. But nothing beats a local drive based backup. Online Backup services are simply too slow.
- Kitu Gidwani
Some people might find Adam Tow's strategy interesting: http://www.tow.com/2008...
- Joe Perrin
Someone needs to come up with software that lets you backup to a USB drive stored at your friend's house. You backup to the drive, take it to his house and plug it in, then do incrementals over the web. Encrypt everything. You do the same for him.
- Dom
I just back up things to an external hard drive. And I refuse to back up to the cloud as I can't trust something that isn't under my control.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I use Acronis to back up an image to my FreeBSD box with ZFS. (Sorry Scoble, they're western digital drives :). Then, I also use rsync.net (lots of space for cheap), and - you guessed it - rsync the important files (documents, pictures, etc) to the cloud.
- David Andrzejewski
I've been using Mozy and have recently been trying Syncplicity [http://www.syncplicity.com]. I don't know if I can justify the $10/mo for 50GB, though. The benefit to Syncplicity for me is that it's near real-time sync with unlimited computers.
- Cory
Locally I have a RAID5 array on a dedicated server, otherwise Backblaze/DropBox.
- Michael Laccetti
Robert - THANKS! I was one of the lucky 20 winners of the Jungle Disk software by @Mosso - wow, this is awesome and works seamlessly with Amazon s3 online "cloud" data storage services. Finally, I have offsite, encrypted backups!! Thanks again! Keep getting FFers cool promos like this! :)
- Susan Beebe
How Google is Unlocking the Hidden Ad Value of Old Media - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2008...
Neill Adamson, Arnaud Fischer, vijay and 9 other people liked this
Brilliant analysis Steve, as always. Print media is going through a (r)evolution, whether they want it or not.
- Miguel Albano
"Right now none of these are monetized with ads" nope, mags have ads > http://tinyurl.com/googlemags
- Jérôme Flipo
Thanks. I edited my post.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
The cool thing is how ads smoothly change when you scroll down the mag.
- Jérôme Flipo
"Places mentioned in this magazine" needs some tweaking... picking up street names/intersections as locations. Houston, Madison, etc.
- abacab
Twitter is way too easy. Real bloggers post their entries as embroidery: http://embloggery.blogspot.com
Marcos Marado and Miguel Albano liked this
wow
- Marcos Marado
Word of Mouth Marketing Association -- WOMMA - WOMMA's Practical Ethics Program - http://www.womma.org/ethics/
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What Happens to Our Social Profiles After We Die? - http://mashable.com/2008...
Tim Hoeck, Jason R. Hunter, Angela and 40 other people liked this
My first post on Mashable.com
- Mike Fruchter
Congratulations Mike. I wonder who tipped them off to you?
- Louis Gray
Go Mike!
- Hutch Carpenter
I believe they will meet you in heaven, along with spot, grandma, and your favorite goldfish. Don't worry. You'll all be together again. Nothing is ever wasted :-)
- Todd Hoff
Goooo Mike! (reading now...)
- Justin Korn
Yay, congratulations Mike!! :)
- Mona Nomura
In last.fm they'll write 'dead' instead of 'subscriber' under your profile photo...
- Emrah Özcan
@Louis, I've wondered the same thing :-) Mona, Justin, Hutch, Thanks!!
- Mike Fruchter
If our web services last forever, any auto feeds we have setup will continue to produce content.
- Mike Reynolds
Interesting post Mike. I still maintain the MySpace page for the great Dr. Art Davis (Bass player, Coltrane) After he passed, it was the way for his students, fans and friends to connect. http://myspace.com/drartdavis - I would hope that others keep this in mind and leave a e-trail. Part of our new reality is that our social presence needs some tending to when we leave this plane.
- michael sean wright
And... congratulations on the first post!
- michael sean wright
Wonderful, thoughtful post. Something new to think about.
- Mark Dykeman
Great post Mike. This is a topic that a lot of us that research the Millennial generation have been discussing.
- Kevin Bondelli
Great stuff! I hate the idea of all those friend requests and blog comments I'll miss when I'm dead :)
- Martin Bryant
itsyourfuneral.com is taken, otherwise I would have posted an alpha invite link here
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Nice. I wrote a post about this in german some months ago http://id-o.de/2008... status dead - should blog more in english will try
- Florian
Mike, Mark, thanks! This was a morbid subject. I'm glad it got a few people thinking, including myself. You guys have a great weekend.
- Mike Fruchter
They hang around together as electrons in limbo.
- Phil Boiarski
There should be a "will" part of every profile populated by the profile owner when the account is created
- ayca
Congrats Mike on the Mashable gig - Noticed this morning and shared it in GReader. Keep rockin'!
- Charlie Anzman
damn.. somehow this didn't pop out after my long weekend! Awesome post subject for your first Mashable :) This really is an eerie thing to look at, but it is something that everyone should think about. A friend from work passed, and to this day his profile lives on, sad but at the same time, sort of comforting. Very interesting idea, ayca!
- Tim Hoeck
What Happens to Our Social Profiles After We Die? ( http://mashable.com/2008... )
Miguel Albano, Hasitha, Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF and 3 other people liked this
Maybe there should be a link, "Report this person dead" :)
- Ankit Ahuja
from twhirl
Impatient friends would abuse the button
- Amber, Random Time Lord
That's true. Maybe send the owner of the account an email, "Are you dead?" :p
- Ankit Ahuja
from twhirl
Then we could fix it with another button, "Report This Person Undead" ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I'm gonna be like Tupac. I'm gonna store up a bunch of blog posts and status messages and they'll still be popping up decades after I'm gone.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
HAAAAAAAaaaaahahahahahhaa! Rah wins the internets for the night!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
There are real legal issues about ownership of online assets... http://www.concurringopinions.com/archive... & http://www.concurringopinions.com/archive...
- LogEx
Adam Lasnik, Michael Habib, Dinis Correia and 51 other people liked this
wha ... ?
- dkb
I wish he weren't such a dick then I could feel unconflicted when I feel sorry for him.
- Dave Winer
Zombie McCain
- teh Dork Knight
tryin to goose obama
- jeneane sessum
Lyrics: John Lennon - Crippled Inside
- David Newman
No, he wasn't trying to goose Obama. The camera angle is playing making it kinda look that way. This was at the end where McCain was gonna go to his right to shake the moderator's hand and the moderator went to McCain's left so there was a little foot-dancing going on. So, McCain was like okay, left or right, left or right?
- Mark Bacas
@Mark hasn't McCain made up his mind if he's left or right yet then? :)
- Ian May
classic, when I saw that live, I was like, "hmmm...how presidential" But at least he seems to be in good spirits.
- nilo ayson
from twhirl
Seriously...WTF?
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
"Brainzzz"... scnr :)
- Holger Eilhard
ACK, hairball!
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
A real professional -- almost as good as tossing your cookies at a state event in a foreign country
- Aaron the Librarian
i wonder if a picture can have the same impact as a video...i.e. does this picture have the chance of being the equivalent of the dean scream? My guess is not because Howard Stern and Rush can't play a picture on repeat.
- mike
Power Grab
- david beckwith
Goodbye, Privacy. Hello, 1984 - http://mashable.com/2008...
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we're going back in time indeed
- Miguel Albano
Pertinent words, looks that way doesn't it.
- Mo Kargas
Is the concern that this is stored in a single database or that this kind of information is stored at all? Surely in the case of phone records this kind of information (in respect of mobile phones, at least, if not fixed lines) would be available under subpoena anyway? For my own part, my initial response is, naturally, "oh, no" but I wonder whether these "new" measures which threaten our privacy are at least transparent in as much as they are at least obvious to average people rather than covert...
- Matthew Hickey
There’s No Free Lunch - Even At Google - http://mashable.com/2008...
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Yep, agree! Because google is not a reataurant. LOL!
- Jack
After a long lull, I am suddenly using Facebook a lot more. Anyone else?
Rubin Sfadj, Chris Loft, Zee. and 19 other people liked this
me too - i'm starting to like the new format a lot - more people are posting content, more people are commenting, and the filtering allows me to digest more information from friends than i could in the past - it's getting more and more interesting jumping over there during the day
- Kevin
Same here. Allowing comments on the Status updates is the catalyst for me.
- Mike Doeff
Facebook is the true social network...it looks clean, works seamlessly and more people are joining in. It's my hub.
- Miguel Albano
Using it, well no but certainly sharing more to it. I have been adding any photographers I can find on FB but that's it atm
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes. Seems to be more actual communication, less game-playing and showing off.
- Timothy B. Taylor
I've never stopped, love FB. Have definitely noticed a downturn in the annoying apps spam though which I appreciate.
- Kate
Nope. Not into limiting myself to intranets. I really don't get it.!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Nope...I was huge into playing a lot of the racing games for six months, but got bored with that, so now I'm using Facebook rarely. Doing a lot more friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
Nope. The death of Scrabulous has confused my less techie relatives, who dislike the Scrabble alternative, so games have dried up.
- Louis Gray
Nope
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
mainly use its as an 'outpost' (great term of Chris Brogan); as a content aggregator. Indeed, the new user interface is much more agreable!
- Jeroen De Miranda
After a long lull, I am suddenly getting a hell of alot of emails from FB requests and notifications, forcing me to use it more. More than autofeeding is more.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Less for me though. I'm just there to play games with friends.
- Carolyn Chan
we can check out at FB Steve, but tell us how in a blog post - we're still following you. ;)
- Kevin OKeefe
Yes, the new design makes it much easier - you should give it a try if you haven't already. The filtering is much better than FriendFeed's, but it's more about people and not news
- Jesse Stay
I just joined this week. Late to that arena. Turns out that a lot more of the folks that I have made friends with in my travels over the past 18yrs can be found there.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Love the new design. Always been a big user of it though. It's my main social portal.
- Rob Record
I got dragged in to play scrabble.. thats the only reason that I am there
- Peter Dawson
My facebook use has become somewhat sporadic. I prefer Friendfeed for now.
- Mattb4rd
agreed, except my 1400 facebook inmails late and their inmails management that still sux so bad don t you think Steve?
- Loic Le Meur
I just realized that a bunch of my friends used it so I am trying to friend them
- Tyler (Chacha)
I am using it less than ever since becoming a friendfeed fanatic. I might play a game or two on there once in awhile, but I can't get any real networking done there.
- Laura Norvig
Well it's great to see some support for the site...it's been nothing but negative talk for a while now, which frankly I don't understand.
- Zee.
Not really...
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FB is great for storing stuff and for keeping in touch with friends who only use facebook, as well as with friends who network over a wider range of platforms. The games are a distraction. I have found a surprising, diverse number of old and new friends are using facebook.
- Chris Loft
Yeah ever since I joined Twitter and Friend Feed I haven't really been on facebook.
- Sheraz Mahmood
from twhirl
I'm finding the same thing ... seems my real-world friends have woken up to and have pulled me back it. It's great to actually connect with people there - something I honestly was not doing at all for a very long time.
- Jonathan Greene
5 Ways to Release News, whats yours? - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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1. What about an e-mail to your complete contact list? One may have 100's of people in there including bloggers (BCC for privacy). 2. I find posting a video useful, instead of Twitter or notification to bloggers. From my experience people like to spread the word for you, if you post it as a video, some may even create their own version.
- Majento
I would do an email to my complete list only if there was an opt-out option at the bottom but it is of course obvious, if I add up all my gmail accounts contact lists I probably have 10 000 contacts in there... It is all about quantity versus quality.
- Loic Le Meur
So far we use RSS through Feedburner and most people opt for the daily email subscriptions. When our aritcles post, they auto-publish to Twitter with TinyURL-shortened addresses. Our admins also fax the headlines (yeah, fax... remember that?) to the media.
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
fax??? Honestly the media who care about receiving news by fax should just... disappear!
- Loic Le Meur
You can use Pitchengine to create an SMR with video and post via email, link, twitter, FF, etc. Here's an example: http://tinyurl.com/6dvp83
- Jason Kintzler
Jason, I have no idea why I would need this pitch engine thing
- Loic Le Meur
It's another way to release news. Wasn't that the question? You can still do it via the 5 methods you talked about and include Seesmic videos.
- Jason Kintzler
Loic, if it is sporadic news and not automated/newsletter, why do you think an opt out is a must? I meant the use of your personal list, not all your 1 time e-mail people. Gmail has recently divided the mass into "Your contacts" + "Suggested contacts". I agree totally on quantity versus quality, maybe i'm "lucky" to have only around 300 contacts :-) Your real close circle is the type of...
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- Majento
Majento, I thought you were talking about my entire gmail contact list
- Loic Le Meur
I've got to say this is defnitely the best Seesmic video ever, very helpful, informative and well thought out.
- Andrew Fielding
thank you very much Andrew, feel free to reply
- Loic Le Meur
Luis Suarez » Can Social Tools Really Replace Email? - They Already Are! (Part I) - http://www.elsua.net/2008...
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Interesting item. I am in the process of shifting some of what I communicate to an internal wiki. How about you?
- Steve Rubel
from Bookmarklet
Yup, we use a socialtext wiki. Didn't know why I needed one to start, and now don't know how I'd live without one.
- Catherine Juon
The Scoble Effect
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I met with the top 2 executives at one of the largest PR firms in the world today. Their advice for launching a product amounted to this: "Whether Robert Scoble likes your product or not means more than anything these days if you are trying to reach a techy first-mover audience."
- Jason Goldberg
Which PR firm was this? And do you want me to send Scoble my first review of Social Median? I brought it up when we had dinner. :-)
- Louis Gray
This is very telling, but concerning as well. Nothing against Robert Scoble, but should one man hold that much power in technology?
- Rob Diana
plus michael arrington...
- Pokai
I agree Rob. Nothing against Robert but he could have a personal bias in the space and it could hurt that product etc.
- Adrian Nadeau
Rob Diana: It actually bothered me a bit. Bother in the sense of how strange a comment it is.
- Jason Goldberg
Louis, Rob et al: we actually weren't discussing how to pitch socialmedian when this came up, it was actually a broader discussion around the state of social media, pr, and the news biz. They are trying to find/create the scoble equivalents now for other industries.
- Jason Goldberg
Jason: I don't think this is true. Louis, we should join forces. Maybe someday we'd be as powerful as Walt Mossberg. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jason Goldberg: It does bother me also.. one person's opinion shouldn't decide your products fate...
- Adrian Nadeau
Jason: truth be told, it bothers me a bit too, because there are hundreds of people who can make a product successful. I've never talked about Evernote before today and they had 30,000 new customers sign up this weekend.
- Robert Scoble
TURKISH FF COMMUNITY: PLEASE READ THIS! ; ) ESPECIALLY WEBRAZZI.COM AUTHOR 'ARDA KUTSAL'. : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Who's to blame here? Not Scoble.
- Chris Baskind
perception is surely part of the reality and vice versa. broader point is that old media is still very much trying to figure out the new world. old world they had speed dial into the 3-5 guys who mattered who were on long lead time deadlines. today they have scoble's and arrington's and mashable's etc.
- Jason Goldberg
Chris Baskind: Definitely not, good point.
- Adrian Nadeau
@Adrian, one thing I have never seen is Scoble have a bias besides hot new technology.
- Rob Diana
Scoble's not to blame -- blame Canada. Scoble has power because people listen to him. People listen to him because he is often right, speaks from the heart.
- Brian Sullivan
Plus, lots of things I've picked as hot have turned out to be failures, or, at least, not home runs.
- Robert Scoble
No - what they really should be looking at is what us FF'ers think about their product. Let all of us play with it and we'll give our aggregate opinion. Scobez is usually right on the money, but sometimes even he can miss a diamond in the rough...
- Internet's Tad
Robert: they're probably reading this too :) lol
- Jason Goldberg
Brian: Good idea. Bloody Canadians, with their clean streets and sense of social justice.
- Chris Baskind
@Rob Diana That's good to know.
- Adrian Nadeau
Is that like the Butterfly Effect?
- Dayngr
Since I have the Scoble effect, go sign up for Evernote. Damn, that's cool. Take a picture of something with text in it and it recognizes the text and lets you search for it. I want to put all my business cards into this!
- Robert Scoble
I agree, if you have a consumer product you need the Scoblizer!
- Greer Trice
Scoble: what's most interesting is that it goes to show that even in the new world, content is king. It's not just that you have a following, it's that you have created the content which galvanizes the following and keeps them following.
- Jason Goldberg
I remember experiencing this phemonenon first hand: I received 20-30 Twitter follows in one day. What had happened? I checked Seesmic and found that @scobelizer had mentioned my name. I had been Scobled.
- Steve Lynch
Jason: the content comes from getting access, which I greatly appreciate everyone here for connecting me to interesting people and interesting companies.
- Robert Scoble
Robert wont write about me 'cause i was a bitch about video comments. (that's me trying to be sarcastic robert, and probably landing flat). ;-)
- Jason Goldberg
Jason: I don't even remember you doing that. What you want me to see of yours?
- Robert Scoble
and btw. FriendFeed rocks with the pace of this discussion. Fantastic.
- Jason Goldberg
Robert (and anyone/everyone else for that matter). We're less than 2 weeks from going public with http://www.socialmedian.com. Been in private invite only alpha since April. You can use invite code = nearlybeta to check it out before release.
- Jason Goldberg
Scoble is the reason I joined Facebook and the reason I told all my friends they HAD to get an account. He's also the reason I'm here (on FF) as well - but I can't convince a single friend to climb aboard - none of them trust me now.
- James Hull
BTW. as pat of this conversation with said PR agency execs, we also had an interesting discussion around finding the scoble's of politics, sports, etc. And especially the scoble's of India, UK, china, etc.
- Jason Goldberg
Related, there's an interesting post on FF today about listing who the most "popular" friends are to follow. I don't understand what the harm there is? Isn't part of the fun/value of this following the Newsmakers? We just go ahead an put a link on the homepage to the most popular Newsmakers on socialmedian. http://www.socialmedian.com/users...
- Jason Goldberg
what would be cool, would be to see something similar to the soon-to-be released study by the University of Miami and USC that correlates a company’s stock performance with reviews of its products by Walt Mossberg of the WSJ (http://bit.ly/24VfTx), but Scoble v Arrington V Mossberg. kind of apples and oranges, but still fun
- Christian Anderson
would be fun to see a scoble, arrington, mashable, etc. post and adhere to a not private pitch policy for a few weeks and see how it goes. All pitches must be in public on a blog post, FF, or tweet. Whadya think?
- Jason Goldberg
Scoble has many followers and is an incredible channel to the tech-savvy, early adopter audience, but he only covers topics he considers to be cool and interesting. Nothing wrong with that, but there are still a lot of important tech issues and product areas that Scoble does not cover.
- wrecks
wrecks: yup, the industry is bigger than any one person now. It's why I still recommend reading http://www.techmeme.com and http://news.google.com and participating in FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
What Robert has that the PR people crave is "Trust Equity", built over time. Same with Mossberg. Readers believe they will give straight appraisals of products and services and not be swayed by spin/swag.
- Sprague D
BTW. I would love anyone to write their review of socialmedian on FriendFeed so we can all publicly discuss it. Tell everyone what you like and don't like. Hell, give us hell even. Better the feedback the more we can learn and try to make it better.
- Jason Goldberg
The beauty of the Scoble effect is that even your pitch is broadcast to a huge user group, especially if he responds, all those followers do to.
- Jason Kintzler
By the way Jason, I'm planning to write about SocialMedian's PR implications on PitchEngine...Stay Tuned!
- Jason Kintzler
Its due to hard work on the part of the Scobleizer, Congrats.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
“Spanish blogger and friend Julio Alonso condemned for comments on his blog http://is.gd/NpD” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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Isto é assustador.
- Miguel Albano
Spanish blogger and friend Julio Alonso condemned for comments on his blog http://is.gd/NpD
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Freedom of speech. Some have it, most in the world do not.
- Robert Scoble
SGAE sounds sort of like the ASCAP in the US. I guess Spain is the world champion of football (soccer) but not a world champion of free speech.
- Michael Tefft
Devem bloggers criar uma associação? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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How to Live Blog a Conference - http://mashable.com/2008...
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lilve blogging and streaming of conferences are killing them, you get to see the "wizard" and realize that wit the cost of travel ....
- David Blumenstein
from twhirl
i have never had the skill sets to live blog events very well. I prefer to absorb the information, chew on it, then wrap my perspective around it and write a blog post after it has ran through the lens that i care to share it through.
- Rodney Rumford
I dont think live streaming is killing conferences, buy it will certainly change them. Most of the conferences I connect to through remotely aren't ones I would have gone to anyways. So, I am able to interact and even promote the conference. I think live streaming / blogging is the best promotion any conference could get - and should pay to have people come and do it for them.
- Tony
What Do YOU Think People Want From Your Site - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/what-do...
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Mostly, I think people want to continue being unaware of my site's existence. At least, I hope they do. If they don't, my last post there was a failure!
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
If I knew that, I would have better constructed content :-) It's all over the place now.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
Chris you are spot on again. Much of my time on the (practical side of) the web is spent yelling "didn't anyone try this site as a prospective customer might?" It is often obvious (hotel site: rates, availability, facilities, nearby) yet countless sites, especially Flash sites swirl around and make it impossible to get satisfaction within a few minutes which is when I look elsewhere. The question you ask is the question every site owner needs to ask herself.
- randulo
Chris, I THINK that people come to my blog for different reasons. While it's mostly a personal blog I write about things that interest me; however, it is linked to my company website and it covers areas that dovetail with my professional life. So I think people can go there to get little better understanding about me and my business. But from comments and emails, I know a lot of my...
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- Peter A. Mello
from twhirl
Blog comments are dead: discuss - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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So, if my FriendFeed on this is embedded on my blog, will it be considered a comment? Blog posts are daily journals that are dead, until comments bring them back alive and keep them living!
- Michael Sheehan
from twhirl
sorry Robert but you're wrong
- Steven Hodson
"Trying to control where comments on your blog posts are displayed is fruitless" would be be my version of your post
- Brian Sullivan
Heheh. Already more comments here too.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't the web meant to be "hyperlinked" at first?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Dead? No. Being re-invented as we speak? Yes.
- Mike Doeff
So Robert...where are you more likely to respond to a comment? Here on FF or over on your blog?
- Jerry Chacon
If FriendFeed would just partner with Disqus to handle comments, we'd have a comment system that cut across all the channels, no?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm against "centred" things. Look at twitter. The most distributed things are, the best it is.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Jerry: I'm equally likely to respond to a comment here as well as on my blog. Ken, Disqus can help, but not really. I still like commenting on FriendFeed better than on people's blogs. For a whole lot of reasons. Much of which has to do with UI and iPhone accessibility.
- Robert Scoble
It's because people want to OWN their own comments. You can store your own comments wherever you like because they belong to you. I wonder how many people started blogging because they wanted to join the conversation on their own blog rather than just replying on other people's blog?
- Chris Paton
@Robert - I commented here strictly based on your headline as I am in the middle of a post and your post hasn't shown up in my reader yet (yes I could have clicked the link but I'm busy - post reading can wait) - I very often comment on the blogs if the post is *sufficently interesting* enough to entice me to post a comment.
- Steven Hodson
directeur: cool. My experience shows that most people don't care about those issues. Including on Twitter. When it's up I still see a Tweet every second coming into my account.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm clearly quite visible here, but even for me, I still get more comments on the blog than on FriendFeed, in most cases. See my article about that here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Heh...I commented on your blog Robert, but I'm seeing a "waiting moderation" message. Score 1 for FriendFeed (you're seeing this comment immediately).
- Hutch Carpenter
I second that comments are being reinvented. I also agree with people wanting to own their comments. I've just become so used to Disqus and FriendFeed that I couldn't believe that some blogs still had the old Wordpress commenting mechanism.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Louis: I still am getting a lot of comments, but I'm definitely seeing the tide switching. I bet that much of your audience doesn't know you are on FriendFeed all the time yet.
- Robert Scoble
I'm thinking that the "latest" section on my homepage should just be my brand's Ffeed
- Tom Beardshaw
Cool. And the comments are all here on FriendFeed.. Very cool. Of course, for Joe.Blogspot the thesis is incorrect. But maybe it's a trend.
- john conroy
FF allows us to cross-post back to twitter when responding to tweets in our FF feed here. Wouldn't it be possible to send our FF comments to Disqus comments back to the blogs?
- sedgewick
If it's a blogger I know is on FF, I'll comment on FF.
- Tom Landini
I think he's right...if not dead, they are close
- George Gray
We've had several very useful discussions on scripting.com recently.
- Dave Winer
the-iBlog doesn't get many comments, and I'm not commenting on other blogs as much either.
- Oli from the-iBlog
gee i never got many blog comments in the first place
- Andy Sternberg
from twhirl
A bit premature but inevitably I think you will pan out to be right. It seems like more of a chore checking my own blog's comments lately, and I seldom leave blog comments for lack of patience with login/typekey/captcha lameness. The ease and speed of commenting here has made blog comments seem downright stale.
- Steve Isaacs
Not totally dead but getting there! You should add FF comments to your blog, I just did and love the integration: http://www.seanpercival.com/blog...
- sean percival
Your post does have some merit, Robert. Before FriendFeed (and still currently), people's actual visits to blogs were diminishing, while reading through rss readers and such was increasing. This is especially true for tech blogs. I think people were longing to be able to comment via their feed reader without having to go back to the blog. FriendFeed seems to solve this, and I think will only get better as they improve.
- Jesse Stay
I don't want blog comments to die... I love receiving them!
- Paul Stamatiou
I want to also add that there's nothing wrong with people not coming back to your blog if you have a way for them to still build community around your blog, outside of the blog itself. If you can still monetize that audience or turn that audience into some value as a blog owner, traffic on blogs themselves will decrease even more in the future, while community around those blogs will only increase.
- Jesse Stay
Mine have always been pretty dead...
- Fraser Smith
FF/Disqus are disruptive technologies but if they prevented blog owners from getting at comments on their writings and integrating them back into the page, you'd better bet that bloggers would work around that.
- Andy Murdoch
I've noticed most blogs don't get many comments, and the ones that do tend to get comments of a spammy sort (people pimping their own blogs in Techcrunch comments, for example). For the most part, real discussion still takes place on forums, or various incarnations of the such (which I'd classify Friendfeed and even Twitter as). People that like to have conversations tend to gravitate towards places where they can decide what to talk about - people's blogs don't really offer that.
- Eric P
Depends on the blog, however, on the majority of blogs comments are dead.
- Dave Martin
Here is the comment that I left on your blog: "Robert, you are a master at baiting, I’ll give you that. :) On a separate note, clearly people weren’t wrapping their heads around the car post. Perhaps it’s because automobiles are outside of your perceived areas of expertise?"
- Mark Dykeman
It's more than just comments that are changing. Comments aren't dead but they are 'moving' . Clearly a sign of both Friendfeed's appeal. It's happening faster than this guy expected. Most users will still go directly to the blogs and websites they like for a long time. I had several blogs with the comments turned off and they still were relatively easy to SEO. The dialog is clearly better here. Go Disqus and FF!
- Charlie Anzman
Claiming that "XYZ is dead is dead". I think FF comments and the like are interesting, but unless it's easier to create the intersection for the average user, this is going to be an inside joke. Maybe that's why people like it.
- tim
Now... can I replace my commenting system on my WP blog with Friend Feed? I mean, I'd be sad to see ID go away, but it seems there's more activity here. Edit: Found this: http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Adam C.
Comments are definitely in a state of change, not dead though. Maybe once Friendfeed gets more mainstream we'll see more blogs using the FF plug-in, along with Disqus and Seesmic to enable more conversations between platforms. David Risley has an interesting perspective on this: http://www.davidrisley.com/2008...
- Larry Kless
Wait till the spammers start targetting FriendFeed
- Peter Reavy
I for one accept our new commenting overlords.
- David Cohn
Over the last year, we've seen an increase in the number of comments on our Boulton & Co. blog, but not an increase in their quality. I see, however, that the Huffington Post has a loyal band of "commenters". I think you're more advanced in this area in the States than we are in the UK.
- Miranda Richardson
not sure if i fully agree with you (even your 2/3 dead posted elsewhere), but this is exactly why i love reading your blog and why i'll follow your conversations wherever you have them. and so my thought: comments aren't dead, they are just simultaneously getting more dispersed (friendfeed+twitter) and easier to follow (disqus). however, commenting is still the domain of the few. i think new and very different forms of interaction around content will come soon (i'm working on one myself).
- mike
Really ;-)
- sachin sawant
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Flávia, trata-se de uma formação de valor acrescentado, que do ponto de vista curricular quer do ponto de vista de conhecimentos. É um valor tradicionalmente alto para um estudante universitário, mas queremos ou não queremos que os estudantes invistam em si?
- Miguel Albano
Sim, mas é meio complicado, até eu que me interessei não consigo! :-( É sim, inveja de quem pode ir!
- FlaviaPM
Onde Devem as Empresas Centrar a Monitorização - http://dissonanciacognitiva.wo...
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My take, "It’s what you say about you, what they hear, how they share that story, & how you weave that insight into future conversations."
Miguel Albano liked this
My take: people draw lines. Violate and what you say ceases to matter; the story takes on a life of its on. Lesson:Keep it real
- Dan Kaplan
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Streaming video right from your phone
- Pedro Custódio
Gotta get my company to get me a Nokia.
- Miguel Albano
I left a request for a invite and haven't herad back since...
- Mário Pires
O que as revistas ainda não perceberam sobre a web - http://aeiou.expresso.pt/gen...
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Não foi só isso: ainda agora estive 5 minutos a tentar pôr um comentário no seu post e não consegui. Mandavam-me para o login e depois recusavam-mo, entre bonitas mensagens do director.
- luis jorge
Mas era bom que fosse só m problema com a web. Ia dizer-lhe que ainda há meses enviei dezenas de exemplares de um livro sobre "branding" para os jornais e revistas da especialidade: chama-se "O culto das marcas" e é uma obra de referência na área. Julga que alguém falou no assunto? Provavelmente não havia espaço, entre as fabulosas notícias sobre os maquetistas que sairam da Grey (juro que é verdade) e as "crónicas" sobre o "espírito positivo".
- luis jorge
Luís, a lógica da notícia nos meios portugueses é cada vez mais uma lógica longínqua da realidade dos negócios que tenham relação com a Internet. Os meios nacionais estão a desprezar o jornalismo. Entendem que não precisam dele: os press-releases chegam. Ficam a falar em circuito fechado.
- Paulo Querido
FriendFeed as a Service « Random Musings - http://rbonini.wordpress.com/2008...
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"I want to temporarily block twitters, for example when I’m busy. Its noise control for when its needed." Great idea.
- Steve Rubel
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